3.5-point favorites, O/U 48.5
Albert/Moose/Goose calling it
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Areas in red get the game
whats up whats up
hookin up mexico again with the birds....holla at yo boi todd is on his comfy chair
arizona +3.5 is free money
eagles wearing black for this game
yuck, those jerseys blow
love it...just don't wear green pants.
why would you love that? it's such a farging cliche. they don't have black in their colors at all and it's a cheap cash grab.
im on the other side of j all the way around here.....i too hate the black but if you are gonna do it wear rock the green pants....when worn with a home jersey they are actually the one thing having to do with the current uniforms that i dont hate
(http://philadelphia-eagles.net/history/2004/photos2004/16-a.jpg)
The black jerseys and green pants show off just how bad they need to go back to Kelly green. It isn't as bad as green jerseys with green pants, but few things are.
Quote from: SunMo on November 25, 2013, 03:00:44 PM
why would you love that? it's such a farging cliche. they don't have black in their colors at all and it's a cheap cash grab.
Yeah but I like black jersey's...especially with the green and silver and white. So despite it not being a true color I still like it.
Green on green was interesting too.
That pic has GF's homie Koy in there...pour one out for Neckbeard!
I won a black Desean at a raffle last year but never wore it. May rock it this game.
Would be pretty funny if Chipper named Vick the starter for this week.
on cue, foles is the starter for the rest of the season
Quote from: MDS on November 26, 2013, 02:05:21 PM
on cue, foles is the starter for the rest of the season
I'm calling it right now, Foles looks terrible in the first half, and then has a bad week-to-week style concussion in the second half. Vick starts throughout December. Good things don't happen to us.
Andre Ellington is out
Hope 'WE' don't get Mendenhall'd
Eagles - 27
Cardinals - 20
We are about due for a game where Foles plays mediocre and the Birds lose. Talk radio gets all pissy for a week, some morons suggest they should have stuck with Vick (including maybe a moron on the team, which the papers would go wild over), etc. Also I feel like most Birds fans are underrating the Cards.
Cards 27, Eagles 17
Can't complain about the start so far.
HI HATERS
Which haters? Cole haters? Foles haters? Black jersey haters?
Quote from: General_Failure on December 01, 2013, 01:09:58 PM
Which haters? Cole haters? Foles haters? Black jersey haters?
this one
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 01, 2013, 12:49:17 PM
We are about due for a game where Foles plays mediocre and the Birds lose. Talk radio gets all pissy for a week, some morons suggest they should have stuck with Vick (including maybe a moron on the team, which the papers would go wild over), etc. Also I feel like most Birds fans are underrating the Cards.
Cards 27, Eagles 17
Suplexes are penalties now?
hate hate hate hate
I have to admit it's a statement when you score a TD on the Cards and the only black dude who has touched the ball is Bennie Logan.
Oh shtein, is this going to be one of those stupidly good games to watch?
get off or get on NOW
p.s. they had floyd open palmer just sucks and underthrew him
Nate Allen picking passes off
Trent Cole fired up by Dio's support is back to sacking QBs
Wut
This is your weekly reminded that Foles sure as hell isn't Vick.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 01, 2013, 01:19:12 PM
This is your weekly reminded that Foles sure as hell isn't Vick.
I was already reminded when he was sacked on first down and held onto the ball.
might be a good idea to give shady the ball when it isnt 2nd and 17?
just a thought
That drop was as bad as they come.
I'm starting to think Ertz might not have been a wasted draft pick.
Just when I was starting to think this wasn't going to be that stupid fun game I was hoping for.
chip playcalling a shook bitch
I think he was down but I don't know if there's a camera angle that will overturn it. The 2 angles they showed before going to commercial weren't enough to overturn it imo.
Quote from: MDS on December 01, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
chip playcalling a shook bitch
I'll be happy if I never see Brown run outside again.
One day these corners will learn to play the ball.
Probably could have thrown a flag on Chung there.
Chip found the flag!
hes at least .5 short of the first down, if not a full yard
I'm glad Chip got over his fear the of the flag, but maybe you don't want to throw it out over half a yard when your defense isn't that good.
Oh Jesus farging Christ
unfargingbelievable
Patrick Chung.
on 3rd and 20 no less
Chung more or less took Boykin out. Looked like Boykin could/would have been able to wrap up Fitz's legs and tackle him short of the 1st.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 01, 2013, 01:58:20 PM
Chung more or less took Boykin out. Looked like Boykin could/would have been able to wrap up Fitz's legs and tackle him short of the 1st.
I believe that's two consecutive games Chung has tackled a teammate leading to a score.
Foles with the wobbly 12 yard bomb!
Stronger throw and Avant would still be running.
White people!!
This week in Eagles football: White dudes making sick grabs.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 01, 2013, 02:02:13 PM
Stronger throw and Avant would still be running.
Or if Avant just bent instead of going to the ground.
Worse red zone playcaller: Reid or Kelly
This is a legitimate debate.
i just dont get it, i really dont
youre driving, youre moving the balll....and you bring in brad smith to fumble
I love Cox
Foles hit a receiver in stride! I repeat, Foles hit a receiver in stride!
Quick, farg it up again with more wildcat bullsh- aww, they just threw it to Celek instead.
Tom motherfarging Selleck bitches!
Was that Brandon Graham just taking out another Eagle on the kick off?
bruce arians: great job not using a timeout there. glad you could keep those 3 to roll them over to the second half
Forgot to slide beyond the first down marker? Just run the same play again.
Quote from: MDS on December 01, 2013, 02:30:45 PM
bruce arians: great job not using a timeout there. glad you could keep those 3 to roll them over to the second half
Temple.
So Nick Foles played baseball and still can't slide.
Christ, I thought I was slow, artificial hip and all.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 01, 2013, 02:44:11 PM
So Nick Foles played baseball and still can't slide.
No he said he played basketball so he was going to have Cooper teach him how since he played baseball.
RIP, DeSean Jackson.
Honey Badger don't give a shtein.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 01, 2013, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 01, 2013, 02:44:11 PM
So Nick Foles played baseball and still can't slide.
No he said he played basketball so he was going to have Cooper teach him how since he played baseball.
That explains his "stand totally still then fall down" slide then.
Perfect throw there.
White Christmas?
Beautiful route running by Lane Johnson.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 01, 2013, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 01, 2013, 02:44:11 PM
So Nick Foles played baseball and still can't slide.
No he said he played basketball so he was going to have Cooper teach him how since he played baseball.
Did I just imagine them talking about Foles playing shortstop and saying that he benefitted by learning to throw sidearm?
Ruining the Cardinals D with Zach Ertz. I love it.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 01, 2013, 02:50:04 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 01, 2013, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 01, 2013, 02:44:11 PM
So Nick Foles played baseball and still can't slide.
No he said he played basketball so he was going to have Cooper teach him how since he played baseball.
Did I just imagine them talking about Foles playing shortstop and saying that he benefitted by learning to throw sidearm?
I'm at the bar so I dunno but that's what he had said before about learning.
Also it appears he's pretty good.
So Patrick Chung still is not good.
Patrick Chung is farging awful.
Chung even hit Cary Williams on that incompletion.
Chung must be a favorite with his teammates. Guys going to kill one of his own soon.
SD just saw the solar panels and had a seizure.
Ok Chipper, time to take off the skirt and kick someone in the nuts.
Fletcher picked Boykin there. Good teamwork.
If these guys stop tackling each other, they might be pitching shutouts every week.
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/jeepwrang1994/IMG_20131201_150159_zps9c4b8267.jpg)apparently the eagles ran out of the letter 'x'
Yes, time to panic.
Brandon Graham has two sacks.
3rd and long defense is disgusting
I can't tell if the defense is doing a good job, or if the Cardinals offensive line and Carson Palmer are terrible.
Wtf? Jesus christ chip!
did chip forget how to call plays during the bye week?
Conservachip Kelly
Quote from: MDS on December 01, 2013, 03:21:05 PM
did chip forget how to call plays during the bye week?
Because Chip Kelly's offense falling apart late in the game is a new development.
Cardinals that bad GF.
Foles is doing his best to get that first pick, but the Cardinals are just not cooperating.
Completely unneccessary hold by Coleman on that punt return. Farging turd.
Same goes for Avant. Totally unnecccessary.
One day Chung, Coleman, and Avant will be gone, and we'll have entirely new mediocre players to be mad about. What a glorious day that will be.
icehole #1 Coleman
icehole #2 Avant
Quote from: General_Failure on December 01, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
One day Chung, Coleman, and Avant will be gone, and we'll have entirely new mediocre players to be mad about. What a glorious day that will be.
HA! The birds contingent at the bar loved that one!
Okay, McCoy. Ignore the gaping giant hole so you can cut back outside and get tackled immediatley.
Chip doesn't learn. Every game this is what happens.
Zona keeps sending house on 3rd and long and OLine isn't picking it up. Maybe throw a 7 yard route on 2nd and 5 instead of letting Brown touch the ball again.
Foles' last completion was the touchdown to Ertz with ten minutes left in the third quarter.
It was to celek a few mins ago but yeah he's played like ass the last 15 mins.
Jake Plummer, Kurt Warner, Carson Palmer, farg me.
I was going to say that they're still up by ten, but then that happened.
farg us all.
Can they hold on to the ball for five minutes to finish this game off? No. No they can not.
Of course this is happening. Damn this garbage.
Good job, Foles.
lol at Honey Badger bailing out the Eagles
This offense can only gain positive yards by way of penalty right now.
Thank you God.
Guys, I think they're on to the run game. Maybe try some of those WR screens or something.
Goddamn you chip! Damn you.
Couldn't help but laugh at dook after he tackled Foles and got up basically pleading not to get flagged.
Which DB is going to farg up big here?
Any doubt they're gonna lose?
Larry Fitz will beat them
If Chung can avoid tackling any Eagles here I think they can hold them.
Fletcher looked like he got away with a major hold there.
Why is Nick Foles doing Bud Light commercials as a Broncos fan?
He was wide open. Terrible throw by Palmer.
YES!
Coleman didn't get flagged for farging up! They might win this after all!
Fletcher got away with another one, but the refs really haven't been calling much all day. They've been letting receivers and corners battle for the most part.
Oh man that was way to close. Lucky.
Fargers need to convert here and put it away.
Just run McCoy up the middle for two yards until he dies, that'll probably work.
Thanks, refs!
Lol. Whatever. I'll take it.
Do "we" trust Chip in a playoff game?
Anyone else start yelling when Foles started running toward the sideline?
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 01, 2013, 04:08:36 PM
Anyone else start yelling when Foles started running toward the sideline?
Yeah, but he got down before going out, so that was good....and irrelevant thanks to the penalty.
Nice win but this idiotic game plan has got to be fixed. Now!
Quote from: General_Failure on December 01, 2013, 04:08:11 PM
Thanks, refs!
Bad calls went both ways. That was a bullshtein call on the Desean punt return and the block in the back by Avant with the Shady run was farging atrocious. No way Roberts had possession of that ball on the review either.
Good call SD. The refs were atrocious today.
a win is a win, i guess
hey it was
i had phi -3 so what is that? my money?
Very lucky to get the win today.
I like Chippah but jesus farging christ man, do something about your 4th quarter offense.
And put in some other running plays other than the 1 yard Shady fall down and the -7 yard Bryce sweep
The amount of bitching by Cowboys fans about the NFL handing the game to the Eagles under some conspiracy against the Cowboys.
lolololol
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/sunday-early-games-thread.275920/page-10
basically the Eagle shot themselves in the foot, Arizona shot themselves in both feet.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 01, 2013, 04:18:17 PM
Very lucky to get the win today.
I like Chippah but jesus farging christ man, do something about your 4th quarter offense.
And put in some other running plays other than the 1 yard Shady fall down and the -7 yard Bryce sweep
farg those redneck Lee Harvey Oswald loving worms.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 01, 2013, 04:18:17 PM
Very lucky to get the win today.
They were up by 17 and took their foot off the pedal. Sure they're at fault for that and the refs blew both ways but they weren't "lucky". The Cards were one of the hottest teams in the league coming in.
Lucky they held on because they always take their foot off...been a problem since week 1
They took their foot off, but Foles out there throwing shtein pass after shtein pass from the third quarter on didn't help at all.
The running game is annoying too...shotgun handoff to Shady...2 yards
shotgun handoff to Shady...loses 3 yards
pitch to Brown...loses 8 yards
why cant they get in the i or just get under center and get 3-4 yards. its not rocket science.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 01, 2013, 07:01:43 PM
The running game is annoying too...shotgun handoff to Shady...2 yards
shotgun handoff to Shady...loses 3 yards
pitch to Brown...loses 8 yards
Cards have the second ranked run D in the league. Outside of covering TEs their D is outstanding.
I thought the Eagles did a good job of creating mismatches. Don't know why they went away from Ertz.
Quote from: SD on December 01, 2013, 07:27:51 PMI thought the Eagles did a good job of creating mismatches. Don't know why they went away from Ertz.
Later in the game, it seemed like the Cards made some adjustments and starting getting Honey Badger in better position to disrupt those TE passes.
And we get Patrick Chung.
I did not realize how awful this guy is.
Maybe Riley Cooper was right when he said everyone hang Chung tonight?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 01, 2013, 04:18:17 PM
Very lucky to get the win today.
I like Chippah but jesus farging christ man, do something about your 4th quarter offense.
And put in some other running plays other than the 1 yard Shady fall down and the -7 yard Bryce sweep
Farging seriously!
Quote from: Don Ho on December 01, 2013, 07:47:26 PM
And we get Patrick Chung.
I did not realize how awful this guy is.
I don't know why he wasn't replaced with Kurt Coleman. Coleman is equally awful but at least he doesn't tackle his own players as often.
How good has Nate Allen been this season?
Nate Allen has been average/above average I think....which in comparison to previous years makes him look all world. He's not nearly the liability he was before. Still kind of sucks at tackling but is playing the pass better.
Allen sucks. Not sure what you guys are seeing in him otherwise.
Also good win against a tough team. I am concerned that whoever is running the offense is getting smoked in the latter stages of games. They're not doing nearly enough to counter the adjustments being made at the half by d-c's.
It's a petty complaint for sure especially considering they've already won the max number of games I thought possible, but still.
Quote from: Rome on December 02, 2013, 08:44:33 AM
Allen sucks. Not sure what you guys are seeing in him otherwise.
Also good win against a tough team. I am concerned that whoever is running the offense is getting smoked in the latter stages of games. They're not doing nearly enough to counter the adjustments being made at the half by d-c's.
It's a petty complaint for sure especially considering they've already won the max number of games I thought possible, but still.
I dont think he sucks, he was drafted for his ball hawking abilities in college. He's average at best, certainly not worthy of his draft position, but when he's not expected to be #20, He's decent.
He hasn't been a liability this year, which is a step up from previous years. Chung is awful though, they miss mr. wolf
I don't have a great feeling after yesterday's game. The the defensive holding call on Foles' pick was a bad call but the one at the goal line was a correct call. Foles overall had an average game, he had some real horrendous throws, especially to shady in the flat. For the second game in a row the offense stopped producing after getting a big lead and 24 points. That has to be addressed they need to put teams away in the second half. You can't have 3 and outs that take :45 off of the clock. Kelly's playcalling in general yesterday was poor. Why did they run the ball on 3rd and longs so much? The chances of getting that with a run are slim and I don't recall them converting any of them.
The biggest problem with Allen imo is that he doesn't like to hit, which is intolerable for a safety. And all the more so since they moved him to SS. That's probably the biggest reason why he is a poor tackler and you just can't have that at the safety or LB position.
Chung is a hard hitter and I gather that's why they brought him in along with Carey this year, because the DBs were way too soft. Too bad Chung doesn't cover well or hit the opposition as well as he hits own teammates (unless that teammate tackles like a Hoyda and the coaches told Chung to bully up the hoydas).
Foles had an overall average game and still managed 3td's and a 112 qb rating.
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 02, 2013, 09:34:16 AM
The biggest problem with Allen imo is that he doesn't like to hit, which is intolerable for a safety. And all the more so since they moved him to SS. That's probably the biggest reason why he is a poor tackler and you just can't have that at the safety or LB position.
Chung is a hard hitter and I gather that's why they brought him in along with Carey this year, because the DBs were way too soft. Too bad Chung doesn't cover well or hit the opposition as well as he hits own teammates (unless that teammate tackles like a Hoyda and the coaches told Chung to bully up the hoydas).
Ray Diddy said it best a few minutes ago, Chung plays with his eyes closed at the point of impact. He just launches himself.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 02, 2013, 09:39:30 AM
Foles had an overall average game and still managed 3td's and a 112 qb rating.
trade him !
the refs sucked for both sides but the eagles got a win against a good team in a big game.
still need to see kelly adjust cause as sunmo stated you cant have 3 and outs that burn off less than a minute when you kill the clock. he has gotten away with it a couple of times but its going to hurt them eventually again.
Allen has played the deep ball great...has been stellar in coverage...and is actually getting turnovers. He's not a great tackler but he's adequate. He's been damn good and is the most underrated player on d this season.
Allen can't hit or tackle worth a damn. Is he horrendous? Not really. But if the team is going to upgrade anywhere it should be there.
At safety sure...because Wolff is only ok and Chung is maybe the worst defensive player in the league. But Allen is fine as the starting FS. Don't know what more the guy can do to convince you. The d is playing well in large part because he can cover the deep route.
And I have to give credit where I thought they were weakest coming into this year. Davis has really done an impressive job with this group from the start of the preseason to now. Having a solid front 3 or 4 depending on the front, add in LB's that aren't a total liability, and the secondary has been taking advantage of the pressure from up front. Fletcher continues to be impressive, and his game is physical and reminiscent of Sheldon. All in all, They're not the greatest, they're not the worst, and they're better than I figured on them being so it's been a fun year.
I think the D needs another top notch pass rusher at OLB and a safety and they can be a pretty good defense. I wouldn't mind an upgrade over cary williams at corner either. fletcher is pretty good i wouldn't mind seeing him signed long term
if foles keeps playing like he is it opens up the draft for the team to go after a pass rusher, safety or whatever.
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Unless Foles just completely falls apart in the final month of the season, I can't see them going for a QB early in the draft next year. What I'm really looking forward to seeing is how he handles the pressure of a big game and the Eagles could very well be going into Dallas in week 17 with the division on the line. If he plays well for the next 4 weeks then I'm 100% on board with him being the starter in 2014 and using draft picks on other positions of need.
You guys are giving up on Hot Prospect Matt Barkley already? Shameful.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 02, 2013, 12:20:15 PM
You guys are giving up on Hot Prospect Matt Barkley already? Shameful.
what ??? nobody said the team needs to draft another 3rd string qb.
yesterdays game told me that nick foles will not be chip kellys qb of the future....a qb who can run even a little bit would have had over 100 yards rushing...foles is a complete sloth who just doesnt fit
and speaking of chip kelly he had a hideous day yesterday
He got that irrelevant challenge though. He's ever so slowly improving.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2013, 01:41:03 PM
yesterdays game told me that nick foles will not be chip kellys qb of the future....a qb who can run even a little bit would have had over 100 yards rushing...foles is a complete sloth who just doesnt fit
and speaking of chip kelly he had a hideous day yesterday
I had all of these exact same thoughts watching yesterday's game, but I still don't think Kelly will draft a QB next year unless he sees one that really fits. He isn't just going to draft some mobile QB who otherwise blows, or if he does he's a farging moron. If there's a QB that fits I expect Chip to draft them and I would be totally fine with it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2013, 01:41:03 PM
yesterdays game told me that nick foles will not be chip kellys qb of the future....a qb who can run even a little bit would have had over 100 yards rushing...foles is a complete sloth who just doesnt fit
This is why I said that I'd be ok with Foles as the starter for 2014. I'm on record going back to last year saying that I like Foles and I want to see him succeed but I'm still not sold on being a franchise guy. Even though it hasn't blatantly hurt the Eagles, his lack of mobility and arm strength are still big concerns. But I still really like him and think he's got all of the intangibles that people want in a QB which helps to mask some of his physical deficiencies.
But since they've played their way out of a top 10 draft pick I think them grabbing a franchise guy in the draft is out of the question now barring some insane trade to move up. Not to mention that since Foles is doing some historical shtein right now, it'll be almost impossible for the FO to justify to the fans on anyone besides Foles being the starter next year.
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and speaking of chip kelly he had a hideous day yesterday
Seems like he's really struggling in the 2nd half of most games. I guess that's to be kind of expected for a rookie coach coming straight from college, but this offense just goes into hiding in the 2nd half and they might as well not even go on the field in the 4th quarter. But at least he finally challenged a play.
there will be qb's that fit kelly's system, the issue will be is it worth what will need to be given up to get one ?
common sense time management is not something that you get better at. you either have it or you don't. eagles coaches have not had it in 13 years.
seems they got a little better yesterday...but if you're going to run the play clock down to 7-8 seconds during the last eagles drive, just take it down to one. those few extra seconds essentially gave the cards an extra TO as they got the ball back with like 2:08 something when it easily could have been below 2:00. just totally dumb.
a lot of this is supposedly pat schumur's responsibility
kelly didnt need an OC...he runs the offense on his own. his hired pat because he wanted an nfl guy to help him with nfl stuff--like challenges and working the clock with the 2 minute warning and how to close out close games week in and week out.
chip came from a place where he had 2-3 competitive games per year. in the nfl you generally get 13ish because the talent level is so equal among most teams. nothing is easy. hes not playing savannah state or utah where he can go up 55-0 at the half.
after the amazing job pat didnt with cleveland im sort of surprised by all of this
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2013, 10:45:47 AM
At safety sure...because Wolff is only ok and Chung is maybe the worst defensive player in the league. But Allen is fine as the starting FS. Don't know what more the guy can do to convince you. The d is playing well in large part because he can cover the deep route.
I don't think he's played well in coverage or in tackling though he is improving, like the rest of the D. He's actually been the SS all year (and much of last iirc). When Chung is out and Wolff, the other SS is in, Wolff most often plays deep and Allen up if they are not splitting the field. Actually, I think Allen does better in press coverage when he's up than when is back in cover-2 or the few times I've noticed him rather than the other safety in single high but is still meh.
What I don't like about him is how, like Asante and to an extent Nnamdi and DRC, he has a knack for being in the vicinity of tackles and maybe jumping in when the guy is already getting tackled or going out of bounds, but he doesn't like to hit and avoids collision. Maybe if you're Ed Reed or Asante bringing in 8 turnovers a year you can get away with it but the guy has forced one fumble in what, 4 years now? He just doesn't like to get his nose dirty and you can't play safety like that. That said, vs AZ was probably his best game this year and it's a contract year so hopefully he'll continue to get better. They'll need him for Megatron, Dez and Alshon.
Cards = Sore losers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10070907/arizona-cardinals-sent-15-plays-nfl-review-due-obvious-problems)
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 02, 2013, 10:12:30 PM
Cards = Sore losers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10070907/arizona-cardinals-sent-15-plays-nfl-review-due-obvious-problems)
QuoteAll game, Arizona appeared to fight the refs on both sides of the ball, but the flags were balanced. Arizona was called for six penalties for 55 yards while Philadelphia had five penalties for 48 yards.
Hope he also sends footage of the Desean TD that was called back
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bad call or not chip said both were right
granted he won but at least he knows bitching doesnt play in the iladelph
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Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2013, 01:41:03 PM
yesterdays game told me that nick foles will not be chip kellys qb of the future....a qb who can run even a little bit would have had over 100 yards rushing...foles is a complete sloth who just doesnt fit
and speaking of chip kelly he had a hideous day yesterday
I had all of these exact same thoughts watching yesterday's game, but I still don't think Kelly will draft a QB next year unless he sees one that really fits. He isn't just going to draft some mobile QB who otherwise blows, or if he does he's a farging moron. If there's a QB that fits I expect Chip to draft them and I would be totally fine with it.
the future could be in two years sure...the great benefit of having foles is that hes proved to be more than good enough to allow you to take your time in finding the right guy....i just think with foles chip sees an efficienct offense but what he really yearns for is a dynamic offense
Or they could stick with the guy who's been the best QB in the league not named Manning or Wilson. You know... just for shteins and giggles.
certainly possible they stay with foles....imo tho i dont think this is good enough for what chip wants to do with his system....the cardinal game showed what this offense could be if it had a different guy running it...it would have went from effectual to explosive
i'm with igy on this one...as good as foles has been over the last 5 weeks...he's still not an ideal fit for chip's offense. this offense is twice as good with a QB who can at least pretend he's going to run.
i'm not complaining at all, can't ask for anything more from the dude. i just don't see him here long term still.
Newton 25yds , Kaeparnick 18yds, Wilson 29yds and Luck 31yds rushing vs the Cards. If the Eagles played the Card with a running Qb the Cards have the ability to scheme for it. Foles was 21-34 237yds passing which was better than or on par with the other qb's.
Foles ran 9 times for 22yds so it may seem that a better runner would have run for a better avg. The Cards D is no Joke.
Quote from: chuck_chillout on December 03, 2013, 09:54:54 AM
Newton 25yds , Kaeparnick 18yds, Wilson 29yds and Luck 31yds rushing vs the Cards. If the Eagles played the Card with a running Qb the Cards have the ability to scheme for it.
thats kind of the point....a large part of what chip wants included in his offensive system currently is not being prepared for by opposing defenses...im putting myself in chips head but i gotta think he feels that with a qb who is a threat to run the offense wouldnt be shteinting the bed for halves at a time as it has several times this season and for example sunday instead of 24 pts they get 40+ and the game is never in doubt
also sunday was the cardinals sixth road game of the season
in three of them they gave up more pts than the eagles 24 on sunday
the other two were jacksonville and mike glennons first nfl start
so while i agree they are one of the better defenses the eagles have played this year its not like they are the 85 bears and they are a different team on the road
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2013, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: chuck_chillout on December 03, 2013, 09:54:54 AM
Newton 25yds , Kaeparnick 18yds, Wilson 29yds and Luck 31yds rushing vs the Cards. If the Eagles played the Card with a running Qb the Cards have the ability to scheme for it.
thats kind of the point....a large part of what chip wants included in his offensive system currently is not being prepared for by opposing defenses...im putting myself in chips head but i gotta think he feels that with a qb who is a threat to run the offense wouldnt be shteinting the bed for halves at a time as it has several times this season and for example sunday instead of 24 pts they get 40+ and the game is never in doubt
That's why I put his passing yds up. The Cards had to plan for Kaeparnick, Wilson and Netwon and I don't see where the scheme killed them. Hard to say with out actually watching the games I guess. Wilson had 3 tds and a couple backs went over a hundred, but Eagles backs had a nice day too.
Washington, no excuse for the 2nd half play. Against the Cards I can see why you might want to tone down aggressive play calling a bit.
I don't know exactly when the the Jacksonville / Tampa games took place, but Palmer started out this year terrible. Do you know how many of the +24 are on him or the offence?
Quote from: chuck_chillout on December 03, 2013, 10:37:39 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2013, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: chuck_chillout on December 03, 2013, 09:54:54 AM
Newton 25yds , Kaeparnick 18yds, Wilson 29yds and Luck 31yds rushing vs the Cards. If the Eagles played the Card with a running Qb the Cards have the ability to scheme for it.
thats kind of the point....a large part of what chip wants included in his offensive system currently is not being prepared for by opposing defenses...im putting myself in chips head but i gotta think he feels that with a qb who is a threat to run the offense wouldnt be shteinting the bed for halves at a time as it has several times this season and for example sunday instead of 24 pts they get 40+ and the game is never in doubt
Washington, no excuse for the 2nd half play. Against the Cards I can see why you might want to tone down aggressive play calling a bit.
I don't know exactly when the the Jacksonville / Tampa games took place, but Palmer started out this year terrible. Do you know how many of the +24 are on him or the offence?
no...i just know they are not a very good road team and give up a lot of pts
its not even arguable that the eagles would be a better offense with a qb who can run and pass.....the question is is chip married to having a guy with wheels or is he fine with nick foles...i tend to believe he wants someone that can do it all and take his offense to a whole other level
SEVEN games this season the eagles have socred 10 or less pts in the second half
Those results indicate exactly what I was concerned with in an earlier post. They're getting out-schemed by d-c's and not making the proper adjustments. Their aggression also seems to wane later in games. Not sure why because I'm certain Kelly wouldn't mind stomping other teams' guts out, but there it's still a problem waiting to happen. Sooner or later a team is going to get lucky and pull out a late one. I'm just hoping the playoffs aren't on the line when or if it happens.
As for Foles, you can't expect more than he's given. I think Kelly needs to shape his offense around the kid's talents rather than looking for a Kappy or Wilson. He's impressed the bejeezus out of me.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2013, 01:41:03 PM
yesterdays game told me that nick foles will not be chip kellys qb of the future....a qb who can run even a little bit would have had over 100 yards rushing...foles is a complete sloth who just doesnt fit
and speaking of chip kelly he had a hideous day yesterday
You are wise, what else did you see in your crystal ball?
Is this the same one that said the Eagles would be terrible this season?
Sometimes I wonder if perhaps Philadelphia doesn't win championships because of the approach the city has for it's teams. We say we love our teams, but it seems our love is controlling, selfish, and constantly frayed by second guessing/our contant assumption that we are right about everything. I wonder if this "love" for our teams carries over into our lives and somehow pollutes our whole existence.
The above circle jerk regarding the Cardinal fans being sore losers is wholesome lolz. I assume had it gone the other way we would all just take it in stride and say nothing of it.
Chameleon
yep you're right, it's our fault.
the fans threw 3ints and coached horribly in the superbowl. the fans couldn't hit against the yankees, the fans couldnt hit a jumper against the lakers. the fans couldnt play better in goal against the blackhawks.
sorry, our bad.
youd do best not to listen to someone who thinks a team doesnt win because of their fans....thats basically like thinking god is punishing gays by making hurricanes and earthquakes
You mean she isn't?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2013, 02:10:22 PM
youd do best not to listen to someone who thinks a team doesnt win because of their fans....thats basically like thinking god is punishing gays by making hurricanes and earthquakes
Damn you are smart. So smart I bet you are a low level federal employee. "Body of Christ, Amen."
Quote from: smeags on December 03, 2013, 01:55:11 PM
yep you're right, it's our fault.
the fans threw 3ints and coached horribly in the superbowl. the fans couldn't hit against the yankees, the fans couldnt hit a jumper against the lakers. the fans couldnt play better in goal against the blackhawks.
sorry, our bad.
"Those who do not listen, can not hear."
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2013, 02:10:22 PM
youd do best not to listen to someone who thinks a team doesnt win because of their fans....thats basically like thinking god is punishing gays by making hurricanes and earthquakes
wait i thought it was tsunamis ?
Tsunamis are for the tentacle porn.
This world is full of people that face their problems head on without bias. ::)
It's funny how people can be constantly wrong, yet it does nothing to affect their assumption that they are right. Keep on running up that post count IGGY.
i think everyone should be extra special nice to the team this week so they win
where is the skip kelly coaching angel gif??
If Chip decides to stick with Foles for next year, that's fine with me. I like him.
You care.
What I like more than anything is the fact that his ratio of good decisions to bad seem to be around 6 to 1 or more. I'm not in love with his arm strength, or his footspeed...but neither do Manning or Brady. I hate to bring them up....but only do it because their decision making is top notch and they lack speed.
Agreed, if they had a guy with more speed, would this offense be more dynamic? Absolutely...but there's a correlation between athletic QB's and decision making. They are very few, and really far in between. No kid coming out of college can convince me they are the next sure bet. None of them. Foles has been able to do this for about 6 weeks now at a consistent level. Yes, he needs a year or two to really let us know what he can do. He's still developing...but if he can make up for his lack of speed with his precision passing and decision making, I'll take that every day forever. I don't need to be ooooooh'ed and aaaaah'ed...I just need scoring and wins. You don't have to look fancy doing. Just do it.
They had the fastest and most dynamic quarterback in the history of the farging league for the last three years.
How'd that work out?
Foles has more than enough speed to get an occasional first down. He has adequate arm strength as well. What he possesses more than anything are the intangibles that make great quarterbacks. He's smart and appears to have a total grasp of the offense. I'm good with Foles, thanks. Let some other sucker look for the next Wilson or Kappy.
PS: Why is it that whenever we get someone good to cheer for we always look for something better? Also - after what he's accomplished how many other teams would take Foles in a second?
Quote from: Rome on December 03, 2013, 06:21:33 PM
Also - after what he's accomplished how many other teams would take Foles for a second?
Foles played good enough this week. Not great. He had some awful passes, did nothing for the last twenty minutes of the game, and got helped out by penalties and an amazing catch by the redneck. He's got plenty of things he could improve on, but he's winning games and that's a hell of an improvement over Vick.
haha - nice edit.
Foles has done more than enough to earn the starting gig for next year.
Now, whether he can repeat this performance next year (or close) is questionable. But he's earned the chance to try.
Most impressive thing about Foles is what he's doing with the talent he has to throw to. Jackson is a top 10 WR, Cooper is a 3rd/4th on most teams, and Avant is pretty much done. Ertz is a rookie with some talent. Celek is toast. The O-line has been pretty good in pass protection during his run but it's not like he has a pro bowl caliber receiving corps to work with.
Nick Foles is a golden God 19td 0ints. The fact that we are even discussing whether or not he is good enough for chip is crazy. Is there going to be a new thread? the cards were destroyed two days ago.
Saint Nick has proven me wrong. I never thought he'd be this good. He's earned the job for awhile.
with mariota staying at oregon next year it all falls into place for chip to give nick another year
they were never going to be bad enough to get mariota
likely thing is they draft a wilson/keapernick type in the 2nd or 3rd round and wait for the right moment to unleash him in place of foles.
Quote from: MDS on December 04, 2013, 03:02:22 AM
they were never going to be bad enough to get mariota
likely thing is they draft a wilson/keapernick type in the 2nd or 3rd round and wait for the right moment to unleash him in place of foles.
Eagles don't have that type of luck where a 2nd or 3rd round QB drafted specifically to take over as the franchise QB to pan out. Remember: Snake.Bitten.
Quote from: MDS on December 04, 2013, 03:02:22 AM
they were never going to be bad enough to get mariota
likely thing is they draft a wilson/keapernick type in the 2nd or 3rd round and wait for the right moment to unleash him in place of foles.
Lol @ wasting a top 3 pick on a QB at this point. Bring back Vick as a cheap veteran. Take a flyer in the 5-7th on a QB if need be because Barkley is worthless in the NFL. The Eagles should fire the top 3 picks on CB, S, LB, DE, OL. Take the most talented guys out of those 5 catagories. Don't tell me OL isn't a need. It's always a need. Reid's biggest mistake in his career as eagles coach was waivering from constantly drafting new OL in April 2010.
Quote from: Chameleon on December 03, 2013, 08:00:04 PM
Is there going to be a new thread? the cards were destroyed two days ago.
Quote from: Chameleon on December 04, 2013, 02:55:54 PM
Lol @ wasting a top 3 pick on a QB at this point. Bring back Vick as a cheap veteran. Take a flyer in the 5-7th on a QB if need be because Barkley is worthless in the NFL. The Eagles should fire the top 3 picks on CB, S, LB, DE, OL. Take the most talented guys out of those 5 catagories. Don't tell me OL isn't a need. It's always a need. Reid's biggest mistake in his career as eagles coach was waivering from constantly drafting new OL in April 2010.
its stupid to ever take a qb past the 3rd round....brady is the obvious exception but id bet in the last 20 years there has been less than three good qb's to come out in rounds four and on....
brunnell is the only one i can think of
IF you are going to take a qb it has to be early
really the only options left this year with mariota out of the mix are tahj boyd and manzell
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 03, 2013, 08:31:04 PM
Saint Nick
Ugh...that won't get old as we get closer to Christmas, especially if he keeps winning.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2013, 03:08:44 PM
its stupid to ever take a qb past the 3rd round....brady is the obvious exception but id bet in the last 20 years there has been less than three good qb's to come out in rounds four and on....
brunnell is the only one i can think of
IF you are going to take a qb it has to be early
really the only options left this year with mariota out of the mix are tahj boyd and manzell
Quote from: Chameleon on December 04, 2013, 02:55:54 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 04, 2013, 03:02:22 AM
they were never going to be bad enough to get mariota
likely thing is they draft a wilson/keapernick type in the 2nd or 3rd round and wait for the right moment to unleash him in place of foles.
Lol @ wasting a top 3 pick on a QB at this point. Bring back Vick as a cheap veteran. Take a flyer in the 5-7th on a QB if need be because Barkley is worthless in the NFL. The Eagles should fire the top 3 picks on CB, S, LB, DE, OL. Take the most talented guys out of those 5 catagories. Don't tell me OL isn't a need. It's always a need. Reid's biggest mistake in his career as eagles coach was waivering from constantly drafting new OL in April 2010.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2013, 03:08:44 PM
its stupid to ever take a qb past the 3rd round....brady is the obvious exception but id bet in the last 20 years there has been less than three good qb's to come out in rounds four and on....
brunnell is the only one i can think of
IF you are going to take a qb it has to be early
really the only options left this year with mariota out of the mix are tahj boyd and manzell
List is frail
Marc Bulger
Brad Johnson (92)
Matt Hasselbeck
yeah thats some slim pickins
Undrafted you have Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, Jeff Garcia... Jake Delhomme before the wheels came off. It's hard to predict how most QBs will perform in the NFL (which is why the number of early round busts is huge), you're pretty much better off signing guys off the street than wasting a late pick.
hey guys matt mcgloin,
matt mcgloin guys.
The new NFL is a pass friendly league. The rules have shifted dramatically over the last decade+ to protect QBs and open up the passing game. Remember when QBs and WRs needed a year or 2 to make the transition to the pros? Those days are mostly gone. Look at how many rookie QBs are leading teams to the playoffs. Look how many rookie receivers are impact players from day 1.
I'm not saying this means that any college QB can play in the NFL, but it stands to reason that the door is open a little wider for mid-round guys than it was a few years ago because certain dynamics have changed. In 2003 Nick Foles probably doesn't make a lot of NFL rosters but in 2013 he throws 7 tds in a game. Go figure.
Obviously, if you're in a position to get a top ranked guy in the draft you take it. But I think that the modern NFL is going to allow for a least a few legitimate success stories to come out of the middle rounds.