Sixers are tied for best record in the league.
Pelicans are tied for worst record in the league.
Chances of number one pick for each team are inconclusive.
I now recede my duties to biggie for the rest of the year.
You did an admirable job my friend. You will be missed.
fantastic win by pheonix last night
sixers special in orlando tonight.....and the magic are beating the pels right now....would be a dream result if it holds
also celts gettin in the bucks so far
magic beating the pels by 25
sixers already two games behind the celtics
pels 0-2 tho
nba champions pick last right?
orlando over the nets by 20
suns up by 1 at half over the thunder
after one week...
bullets 0-3
jazz 0-3
celtics 0-3
dont sleep on the jazz they are really bad
jazz arent that bad, not even close to boston
hayward, favors, kanter and trey burke when he comes back is plenty enough to win them games--they were up 19 on houston, lost to the thunder by 3.
The Suns beating the Pelicans was great, and the Bobcats won at MSG
Boston/Utah = 0-4
Denver/Washington = 0-3
New Orleans/Sacramento/New York = 1-3
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Sixers/6 Western teams = 3-1
Houston = 4-1
Indiana = 4-0
man is utah really bad....down by 16 at half to boston
everyone in the league now has a win except denver (only played 3 games) and utah
the even better news is that the sixers are far from alone in being a team that was supposed to be terrible but has multiple wins.....
pheonix and orlando
who along with the sixers jazz and celts were imo top 5 tankers
both have multiple wins
next level tankers the bobcats look much better than i thought...lakers and kings are bad but shouldnt be a threat
top 3 worst pt differentials right now....tiny sample size obviously but still something to look at
utah -8.6
denver -8.3
lakers - 8.2
new orleans is 2-3
for the hell of it this morning i looked back at the last 12 nba seasons to see what the 5th worst record and the 12 worst record average out to be....5 being the pick protection line for the pels pick and twelve being an arbitrary line where i personally would want to see the pels pick fall at or under
26.1 wins represents the number that the 5th worst team has averaged
36.6 wins represents the number that the 12th worst team has averaged
of course this is all probably a moot point as new orleans is most likely a .500 (41 win) team which puts them at the end of the lottery (14th pick)....but lets root for them to have trouble meshing all their new pieces....for tyreke evans to implode having to share with jeru and eric gordon....for injuries as they have no depth...im looking at you eric gordon...or of course the obvious anthony davis going down would end them...so badly to the point where you actually might not want this to happen too early in the season
nuggets get on the board tonite
utah is the team to watch out for
brutal sked coming up...heading into head to head tanktastic home and home with phoenix in late november they might have 2 wins tops
Quote from: MDS on November 08, 2013, 01:27:43 AM
utah is the team to watch out for
Quote from: reese125 on November 04, 2013, 10:01:44 AM
jazz arent that bad
hayward, favors, kanter and trey burke when he comes back is plenty enough to win them games
lol i honestly didnt even know reese was still around
i love that dude
if the next batman movie has a bad guy called mr wrong reese is a lock to get the role
Utah = 0-8
Sacramento = 1-5
Washington/Detroit = 2-5
Brooklyn/New York/Milwaukee/Denver = 2-4
New Orleans/Orlando/Cleveland = 3-5
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Sixers = tied for 17th with Chicago and Boston
only thing that matters right now is that 26 teams have between 2 and 5 wins....this means that a lot of the lottery contenders are doing better than expected
except utah....but reese told me they are nowhere a contender for the number one overall pick so dont really have to worry about them either
I have a strange confidence that the Sixers will finish this thing right and be where they need to be. Since they are a Philly team though I expect them to get dropped at least two picks by the lottery process.
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 13, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
I have a strange confidence that the Sixers will finish this thing right and be where they need to be.
the only way that is possible is if hinkie magic trades two of turner/hawes/thad....so i assume you think thats going to happen....because if it doesnt they have no shot....because right where they need to be is at worst a top 4 lottery ball squad
the real nightmare isnt going to be the sixers falling in the lottery its going to be the new orleans pick being protected......they are 3-6 and gave utah their first win last nite
btw sat nite the sixers travel to the big easy
I think the pelicans have too much talent to finish in the bottom 5 barring a Davis injury. Somewhere between 8-10 would be nice.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 14, 2013, 11:48:17 AM
I think the pelicans have too much talent to finish in the bottom 5.
so does everyone else....and they are all the same people who said the sixers might threaten the all time loss mark....
im not predicting they will be that bad but they could be....they have serious roster issues....jason smith starts for them and their bench might be the worst in the nba...the upside is that maybe the three perimeter guys will learn to play together and eric gordon and tyreke will decide to guard....then again maybe they wont and they will implode
im expecting the latter to happen since the sixers have their pick
utah, milwaukee - 2
brooklyn, ny - 3
cleveland, sactown, romelando - 4
bullets - 5
canada, chicago, nawlins, the d, philly, boston - 6
this is tougher than anticipated
its actually really simple its just that sixers are a bunch of farging idiots
Going into the season it looked like they had one of the worst rosters of all time. They could have traded away Turner or Thad or Hawes but c'mon. The roster was complete trash as it was, barely an NBA team. No one saw this coming.
Also it turns out half the league decided to tank along with the Sixers. NBA turning into a joke. A sport that can be so dominated by individual athletes needs to reward losing much less than this.
Not really panicking yet (the Bullets had 1 win this time last year and ended up picking behind the Magic and their 5 wins), but what I really don't like seeing is the Celtics, Knicks, and even the Bulls with the potential to get game-changing players. The combo of seeing Wiggins on the Knicks or Celtics and the Pels pick being protected would be tough to swallow.
The Knicks pick goes to Denver and the Nets pick goes to Atlanta
the sixers pick goes to shtein if its not in the top 3
#gfjoke
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 26, 2013, 05:28:24 PM
Also it turns out half the league decided to tank along with the Sixers.
this just isnt true....i dont think theres one team with less wins than the sixers who tanked in the offseason...what happens from here forward is one thing...i expect lots of teams to go into full tank mode...but no one with the exception of possibly the celtics went into full tank mode in the summer and no one did it as blatantly as the sixers
jazz down 20 to the suns at home
you can lock up the most loss title in the nba this year
1 = Utah (3-15)
2 = Milwaukee (3-13)
3 = Denver (from NY) (3-13)
4 = Sacramento (4-11)
5 = Atlanta (from BKN) (5-12)
6 = Cleveland (5-12)
7 = SIXERS (6-12)
8 = Boston (7-12)
9 = Orlando (6-10)
10 = SIXERS (from NO) (8-8)
11 = Memphis (8-8)
utah and milwaukee are going to be the dragons to slay...this is philly and i dont believe itll happen BUT IT MUST
Anthony Davis broken hand...out
huge week this week:
vs. romelando, @charlotte, vs. denver
3 winnable games vs. some possibly lottery opponents. sixers gotta be on their a games, this isnt the week to decide to be competent.
sub 5 win teams the knicks and bucks win tonight
bullets amazing didnt score a single point in OT
in an interesting game phx/toronto tied in the 2q
left out the celts win over the nuggs
sixers are two losses away from being in the top 5
as bad as the first month and a half has been they are right there.....like every other tank job they just gotta make the right moves....their advantage is that they have hinkie dust to sprinkle
top 5 isnt good enough
you know top 5 means anything from pick 5 to pick 1?
they need to be top 3 and you know it
i don't know anything about him, but there is supposed to be some kid from Australia that may enter the draft and scouts are saying he's a top 5 pick. that just makes everything deeper if it's true
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 06, 2013, 06:34:24 AM
meanwhile dante exum has been blowing up overseas lately and has moved himself from generic lottery pick into the superstar potential pot in next years draft
that's a thumbs up for you buddy
yeah dude is legit. although i'm hoping he puts a year of college in, supposedly gtown is at the top of his list. but don;t see how he passes up the draft now that he's projected a top 5 pick for a while now. i'd put him 5th or 6th.
didn't know much about him so i looked him up... a 6'-6" shooting guard is a good start. apparently his outside shooting is still a weakness but he's getting better. seems to be an explosive player. not sure how much a dropoff he is from wiggins but he could be a good consolation prize
Maybe GF would even start watching.
1 = Utah (4-17)
2 = Milwaukee (4-15)
3 = Sacramento (4-13)
4 = Atlanta (from BKN) (5-14)
5 = Denver (from NY) (5-13)
6 = Orlando (6-13)
7 = Cleveland (6-13)
8 = Toronto (6-12)
9 = SIXERS (7-13)
10 = SIXERS (from NO) (9-10)
11 = Minnesota (9-10)
12 = Memphis (9-9)
13 = LA Lakers (10-9)
14 = Phoenix (11-9)
The 9 worst teams are within 4 games of each other
They'd be at the bottom (or top) if it weren't for the good start to the season, but I'm happy with where the are at the moment.
NOLA's pick is top 3 protected, right? Or was it 5?
Top 5. Knicks/Nets should absolutely jump them. Probably Orlando too.
yea they definitely should draft australian darko
Quote from: SunMo on December 07, 2013, 10:43:24 AM
didn't know much about him so i looked him up... a 6'-6" shooting guard is a good start. apparently his outside shooting is still a weakness but he's getting better. seems to be an explosive player. not sure how much a dropoff he is from wiggins but he could be a good consolation prize
wouldnt surprise me if he ended being a lead guard
I don't think this draft is limited to top 3. Saw Chad Ford had talked to various execs and some actually liked Exum the best. Might be a case of overthinking it but I think it extends beyond top3. I also think Embiid is going to be damn good.
exum has been my number two for a while
bucks have a real chance to grab a w tonight at home vs the nets
cleveland up 7 on the clip show with ten left....would be a big win for the sixers if they can hold on
nba network for anyone who cares
4 - utah, milwaukee
5 - knicks, sactown
6 - canada, romelando, bklyn
7 - cavs, PHILLY
the picture is getting clearer
milwaukee is easily the worst in the league right now...especially as long as larry sanders is out
to me only the bucks and jazz are outright worse than the sixers....everyone else will eventually pass them
if they lose the head to heads against those 2 that could definitely swing it.
on paper i would agree but i think any team in the west has a distinct advantage...sacramento for example should pass the sixers but might not cause they don't get to play the east 55 times
its why a team like phoenix still scares me
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2013, 01:16:14 AM
on paper i would agree but i think any team in the west has a distinct advantage...sacramento for example should pass the sixers but might not cause they don't get to play the east 55 times
its why a team like phoenix still scares me
Good thing about that though is it's likely going to deflate the pick from NO. If NO was in the east they'd make the playoffs this year. In the west you're probably looking at their picking being 10-12.
dont look behind you...phx is 4 wins ahead of the sixers. get them out your mind
huge week coming up. lob city rebound game on monday LOSS....at minnesota LOSS....at toronto ????....back to back vs. rip city LOSS
raptors game is the big one.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 08, 2013, 01:19:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2013, 01:16:14 AM
on paper i would agree but i think any team in the west has a distinct advantage...sacramento for example should pass the sixers but might not cause they don't get to play the east 55 times
its why a team like phoenix still scares me
Good thing about that though is it's likely going to deflate the pick from NO. If NO was in the east they'd make the playoffs this year. In the west you're probably looking at their picking being 10-12.
yeah its def an advantage when it comes to the pellies pick
Quote from: MDS on December 08, 2013, 01:19:48 AM
dont look behind you...phx is 4 wins ahead of the sixers. get them out your mind
huge week coming up. lob city rebound game on monday LOSS....at minnesota LOSS....at toronto ????....back to back vs. rip city LOSS
raptors game is the big one.
whats gonna be really big is the week after when they have a home and home with bklyn
i just looked up the sixers sked...they play the nets on a monday, then again on friday. then they have a game saturday. then they dont play for a week.
weird
they're up to the 4 spot
they are actually 5th
last night was huge losing a 20 pt second quarter lead
They were 4th when I posted but Sac went ahead and lost to the Jazz, nudging their percent down. Actually probably a better result longterm anyway.
Chicago's in free fall with only one more win than the Sixers, they got a big game with the Bucks coming up.
bulls just have to get a couple players back and they wont be a threat....if they even are now...i mean they beat miami by 20 a week ago
sixers arent going to get a top 3 pick unless they make a deal or two.... its on hinkie magic not on other teams
farg you magic
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 12, 2013, 10:33:28 PM
Chicago's in free fall with only one more win than the Sixers, they got a big game with the Bucks coming up.
mil +4 at half.....john henson playing the game of his life
Yeah I wouldn't get my hopes up too much for the Bucks, but that would be huge, especially combined with the key Sixers loss tonight.
farging knicks gagged in boston
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 13, 2013, 09:47:50 PM
Yeah I wouldn't get my hopes up too much for the Bucks, but that would be huge, especially combined with the key Sixers loss tonight.
bucks about to pull this off
oh my god.....or not
unreal
jazz up 3 on the nuggs with 5 left
Utah Utah Utah!!!
So not surprised about the Bucks. I think as the season progresses they will be the only team that is genuinely worse than the Sixers. It will take additional effort to tank below them.
The Jazz got this.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 13, 2013, 11:23:02 PM
Utah Utah Utah!
In case any of you ever wondered what the 1st sign of the end of the world would look like....it's this.
the end of my world will be if the sixers dont get wiggy
you can have my mike schmidt mask
they are a thad/et trade away from getting him
i believe! hinkie magic!
im IN....hes done everything right to a tee so far.....how is he not going to make the perfect trades to get there
well see what he does for the bucks game
what happens if the plane doesnt work? and they have to bus from philly to milwaukee? HINKIE MAGIC
kings smoked the rockets
magic only lost by 3 at okie city
pellies took an L
suns beat golden state
overall a real good night
1 = Milwaukee (5-19)
2 = Utah (6-20)
3 = SIXERS (7-18)
4 = Orlando (7-17)
5 = Denver (from NY) (7-16)
6 = Sacramento (7-15)
7 = Atlanta (from BKN) (8-15)
8 = Cleveland (9-14)
9 = Washington (9-13)
10 = Memphis (10-13)
11 = LA Lakers (11-12)
12 = Minnesota (12-12)
13 = SIXERS (from NO) (11-11)
14 = Utah (from GS) (13-12)
randle/parker and assuming ET is traded this season which i think will happen, maybe someone like rodney hood at 13.
pretty badass group of 4 young guys right there. maybe even keep dumb ass thad around for a while.
how big is the sixers bucks game next week
If anyone hadn't caught this on Deadspin
http://www.tankingforwiggins.com/
unlikely but certainly possible that come sunday the sixers could be tied for last in the nba....milwaukee has a winnable game tonight and the sixers tomorrow
is it even conceivable that the city could have a sports weekend where sunday night the eagles will have clinched the nfce and the sixers be last in the nba
also with kobe out again i fully expect the lakers to go into full tank mode and become the worst team in the nba.....the question is whether they can erase the five game deficit they have to the sixers right now
last night was crazy....had the last channel button working hard....milwaukee and the sixers going back n forth for the last five minutes of e their games and into OT....i havent been that excited for a sports event in a while...both games were literally trading big shots almost simultaneously as if the games were playing each other....it was so much fun until of course the endings which both went against philly per usual
the non charge call on et's game winner was a joke
kings and jazz with nice wins thus far....bulls with a solid second half lead that they hopefully can hold onto
6 - milwaukee
8 - ny, sactown, romelando, mormon, PHILLY
9 - bkn
10 - chitown, cleveloland
aint no stoppin us now, the sixers on the move
with the huge sacramento upset the sixers now stand alone in second to last place in the nba!!
[Flava Flav]Yeah boy![\Flava Flav]
and theyre about to get blitzed on the west coast trip....good times in phillyville
I don't understand why you guys look at wins and not win pct. Utah is still in a better position than the Sixers.
not really
utah has had the toughest schedule in the nba up to this point.....their next month eases up significantly
welcome to the club la lakers....about to trade gasol and just got owned wire to wire at home to the bucks tonight
i told you before the season the lakers or celtics would get the first pick
bulls are trying to move deng and the sixers are going for their 5th in a row tonight
philly sports
QuoteNEW ORLEANS -- The New Orleans Pelicans say starting point guard Jrue Holiday is sidelined indefinitely with a right ankle injury.
The team says the injury is a stress fracture in his tibia. It is not clear when or how the injury occurred. Holiday played 29 minutes in Wednesday night's 102-96 loss at home to Washington, making three of 11 shots for eight points to go with three assists, three rebounds and three steals.
In 34 games this season, the 6-foot-4 Holiday is averaging 14.3 points, 7.9 assists and 4.2 rebounds. His injury comes while New Orleans struggles to overcome the absence of leading scorer Ryan Anderson, who has been out with a herniated disk since last weekend.
could be a lot worse.....got the red hot knicks at home tomorrow in a must loss game
sixers - 12
utah - 12
sacramento - 11
orlando - 10
milwaukee - 7
L city baby
and the pels gettin run
if bklyn can hang on they will be the 6th team tonight with 15 or less wins to get a victory
pels were not one of them
orlando milwaukee and utah all lost tonight
:(
boston also did...but six teams winning is a huge night...almost every night you are going to have zesty teams lose...not every night do you have a half dozen winning
also milwaukee doesnt matter...they are pretty much a lock for the most pp balls
and the pels go down again!!
the pick is top 5 protected?
yes
they are so far off the top 5...i cant worry about that
my focus is on catching romelando.
if jeru is out for a good 6-7 weeks then the pels might finish right where the sixers need them to....7-9
you know who is in a tank mode right now more than any team has been all year....including the bucks?
orlando...they are developmental league bad right now
yea its gonna be tough to catch them...utah will be neck and neck since they get the harder games being in the west
having the 3 isnt spectacular but its OK
spencer hawes has quit and mcw is close to hitting the wall
just need to trade one of et or thad
sixers are 3 out of a playoff spot
that says way more about the east than it does the sixers
fyi - i wanna farg cassidy hubbarth
i got no idea who that be
you need to educate
she does the weekend AM nba tonight
i would throw meat her way
Quote from: MDS on January 12, 2014, 01:03:57 AM
sixers are 3 out of a playoff spot
i was talking about this yesterday...they're like the 4th worst record in the league but only 6 games out of first place.
the east is all time awful this year...theres like 4 teams well under .500 safely in the playoffs
teams are tanking themselves crazy
12 win kings beat 13 win cavs by 41
next 5 games in parennes...
nets - 15 (@atl, @nyk, orl, dal, bos)
knicks - 15 (@ind, lac, bkyn, phi, char)
sixers - 15 (hous, gs, @mem, sac, @det)
cavs - 14 (@por, @den, dal, chi, mil)
lakers - 14 (@phx, @bos, @tor, @chi, @mia)
kings - 13 (@minn, @mem, @okc, @no, @hou)
celtics - 13 (tor, lal, @orl, @mia, @wash)
jazz - 13 (lal, dal, den, ind, wash)
sixers - 12 (char, mia, @chi, @wash, @nyk)
magic - 10 (chi, char, bos, @bkyn, atl)
bucks - 7 (mem, @hou, @sa, det, @cle)
celts are 1-12 in their last 13 gms
lakers are 1-11 in their last 12 and play their next seven on the road
rondo is supposed to be back friday
jazz have their next five at home
kings were 3-0 last week and shouldnt be a threat
nor should cleveland whose trade for deng should get them in the playoffs
chicago is trying to tank but has won six of seven
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/01/16/zagoria-has-andrew-wiggins-dropped-from-the-no-1-pick-in-the-draft/
lol farg the magic
starting the game down 21-3 at home vs the bobcats
so jealous
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
lol farg the magic
starting the game down 21-3 at home vs the bobcats
so jealous
and the magic lead at half
lakers down 8 with a 1.30 left score nine pts in 30 seconds to take the lead
celts ball down 1 with 30 left now
utah won huge at detroit
lakers pull it out
kings tied with the grizz 8 left
It burns when I pee
the sixers arent interested in ever being good
lakers trying to close out the raptors in toronto....would be a huge result for the sixers....up 4 with a minute left...raptor ball
1 = Milwaukee (7-32)
2 = Orlando (10-30)
3 = SIXERS (13-27)
4 = Utah (14-28)
5 = Boston (14-27)
6 = Sacramento (14-24)
7/8/9 = LA Lakers / Denver (from NY) / Cleveland (15-25)
10 = SIXERS (from NO) (15-24)
11 = Chicago (from CHA) (17-25)
12 = Minnesota (19-21)
13/14 = Orlando (from DEN) / Memphis (20-19)
swaggy p gets it done
Pelicans will finish with the sixth worst record, and then proceed to jump into the top 3 in the lottery.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 19, 2014, 04:15:34 PM
Pelicans will finish with the sixth worst record, and then proceed to jump into the top 3 in the lottery.
It's written in stone they are going to lottery up to a top 3 pick no matter where they finish.
The twist of the dagger will be when the Sixers pull the 7 pick out of the 4 seed.
so i think we have to root for 14 win boston over 10 win orlando right?....sixers arent catching the magic
btw they are tied with four minutes left
im quite certain the celtics lost that game on purpose
The Celtics tanking is a disgrace. Let the loser franchises like the Bucks, Sixers, and Magic wet their beak for once. No one wants to see Wiggins or Embiid in Boston.
when is the last time youve seen a team down two not get a shot off before the buzzer
They have won once in 2014 and they are not genuinely that bad. A lot of their recent losses have been close too. Their tanking is getting really obvious.
the last time they tanked it didnt work...but they wound up with garnett and allen anyway
the celtics are one of those teams where everything just works out for them. it just is.
Quote from: MDS on January 19, 2014, 10:18:03 PM
the celtics are one of the four boston teams where everything just works out for them.
saw they're planning on dumping rondo soon too -- would've expected the sixers to have moved at least one of ET/Hawes/Thad by now.
9-3-1 in tank results since friday for the sixers
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2014, 02:46:55 PM
big games this weekend:
fri -
lal@orl - WIN
tor@phi - WIN
mil@cle - WIN
no@det - WIN
char@nyk - WIN
sat
wash@utah - WIN
sun
lal@nyk - PUSH to slight LOSS
orl@no - WIN
phx@cle - LOSS
bkln@bos - LOSS
den@sac - LOSS
mon
phx@phi - WIN
sac@utah - WIN
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 08:49:58 AMthe pellies are at 16 wins which puts them 10th but they are only two wins ahead of the sixers who are currently in fourth...you can make a strong argument that they should win a couple of games...you dont really want them any higher than seventh...remember that the 6th spot gives them a 30% chance of keeping their pick....thats too big of a risk imo
The other risk is that the closer they are to top 5 pick status, the more likely the Pellies are to go into all-out tank mode and try to guarantee that their pick is protected. If I were them, I'd try to do whatever I can to avoid ending up in the 6-10 range.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 24, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 08:49:58 AMthe pellies are at 16 wins which puts them 10th but they are only two wins ahead of the sixers who are currently in fourth...you can make a strong argument that they should win a couple of games...you dont really want them any higher than seventh...remember that the 6th spot gives them a 30% chance of keeping their pick....thats too big of a risk imo
The other risk is that the closer they are to top 5 pick status, the more likely the Pellies are to go into all-out tank mode and try to guarantee that their pick is protected. If I were them, I'd try to do whatever I can to avoid ending up in the 6-10 range.
they are already more than close enough to go full tank..... and there isnt a team in the nba that has more of a reason to do so than the pellies...words cant really describe the devastation that would occur if that happened and theres an excellent chance it may...why would they not....i keep checking in on them on league pass to see how much run austin rivers is getting...one of the key ways they can tank without being super obvious is to start him at PG...their game sunday against the magic is big
the only saving grace with them is that they really arent in a position to trade pieces as a way of tanking because ideally they would keep their roster in tact then add one of the studs fron this draft to the mix....they dont wanna be rebuilding next year....they wanna make the playoffs (as they did this year)...and at the current time they dont have to do anything with all their injuries
i think aaron gordon is going to be a better pro than probably 2 of the big 3. i would not lose my mind if the sixers somehow fell to 4. my early season love for jabari has faded real fast.
durant out tonight against the celts
i dont wanna jinx anything...especially in the run happy nba but things are going just about as well as possible right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 09:01:17 PM
i dont wanna jinx anything...especially in the run happy nba
pellies up 8 at the half have been outscored 30-8 in the 3q thus far
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 08:49:58 AM
big games this weekend:
fri
lal@orl - orl win = PUSH
tor@phi - tor win = WIN
mil@cle - cle win = WIN (man are the bucks bad)
no@det - no win = WIN
char@nyk - nyk win - WIN
not included is a possible upset
kings up 7 on the pacers three left in the third
this would be big
sleep with one eye open around the bobcats
ladies and gentleman.............the milwaukee bucks
8 - bucks
12 - magic
14 - your sixers
15 - racist, sactown
16 - lakers, jazz, cavs
orlando this week: @pistons, @raptors, vs. bucks, @racist
sixers this week: @racist, vs. hawks, @pistons
9-3-1 in tank results since friday for the sixers
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2014, 02:46:55 PM
big games this weekend:
fri -
lal@orl - WIN
tor@phi - WIN
mil@cle - WIN
no@det - WIN
char@nyk - WIN
sat
wash@utah - WIN
sun
lal@nyk - PUSH to slight LOSS
orl@no - WIN
phx@cle - LOSS
bkln@bos - LOSS
den@sac - LOSS
mon
phx@phi - WIN
sac@utah - WIN
this week does not look to be quite as promising....except check out boston and orlando
16 - cavs - @orl, @nyk, @hou
16 - lake show - @ind, @char
16 - talkin all that jazz - gs, @lac
15 - cowtown - mem, @dal, @sa
15 - celts - @nyk, phi, @orl
14 - 76ers - @bos, atl, @det
12 - magic - @det, @tor, mil, @bos
dante exum is officially IN
how does he rank on your wish list after wiggy
as high as anyone....problem is hes a long point guard with great size who needs to develop his shot....and while exums ceiling is much higher and theres a chance he could end up being a shooting guard the sixers just drafted that guy
c's sitting rondo tonight...."rest, team played tuesday" is the reason
your move, hinkie
Quote from: MDS on January 29, 2014, 07:06:13 PM
c's sitting rondo tonight...."rest, team played tuesday" is the reason
your move, hinkie
not really the case.....rondo has been abominable since coming back....celts are a better team without him right now
farging trade evan turner
i dont think theres a market for turner...hes such a terrible player...obviously thad but also hawes has more value than et....this isnt to say he cant be moved but i think the return would be so low that the sixers would look like they were tanking even though what they get back for him would simply be market value
one game would separate the sixers from the magic had erkel not his that boston buzzer johnson
celtics hold on and win moving a game ahead of the sixers....rondo looked really good and avery bradley is getting back into form
c's beat the rome's
8 - bucks
13 - magic
15- sixers, kings
16 - c's, utah, lakers, cleveland
turner's buzzer beater destructive as usual
More importantly that last Avery Bradley shot put it over -6 and won my bet. Stayed under too.
Vegas is insane right now. A hundred times busier than the previous SBs I spent here.
sixers host boston wednesday
dont look now but the sixers are alone in third after sacramentos win last night...also i have no illusions that milwaukee is in play here but they did beat the knicks last night...which i suspect says a lot more about new york than it does the bucks
the rest of this month is going to be crazy....the sixers play four of the five 16 win teams and orlando...three of these games are in the next 8 days...someone needs to slip on a banana peel today
9 - bucks
13 - magic - det, ok, indy, mem - homestand but against good competition followed by two biggins - @mil, @cle
15 - sixers - bos, lal, @lac, @gs, @utah - gotta implode on the west coast
16 - celtics - @phi, sac, dal, @mil - big week here as well....sixers kings back to back...celts can really make a move
16 - kings - tor, @bos, @wash, @cle - another crazy week for someone...following the games here they are @nyk and then get bos back home off their road trip
16 - jazz - @dal, mia, @lal, phi - lakers sixers back to back is big
16 - cavs - lal, @wash, mem, sac, @det
16 - lakers - @minn, @cle, @phi, chi, utah - huge
btw the pellies currently sit at the 11 hole....they hit a buttery soft schedule run lately and won like three games but then choked a huge lead last night for san antonio...gonna be interesting is they go full tank at some point and move eric gordon...for now i think its best to not get greedy with them and hope they finish in the 10-12 range...a top ten pick would be a dream
words cant really describe whats going on right now but ill give it a shot...
17 win lakers up ten on 15 win sixers with 330 left
14 win magic up three the thunder with seven left
16 win cleveland up ten on the bullets with six left
19 win pistons up twenty on nets
17 win celtics up 5 on 17 win kings with seven left
who knows if they all will hold (magic) but jesus is this pure gold
afflalo fouled on a three pt attempt down 3 by serge ibaka
50 seconds left they can tie here
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i cannot believe that just happened
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2014, 09:07:50 PM
17 win lakers up ten on 15 win sixers with 330 left - HELD
14 win magic up three the thunder with seven left - HELD
16 win cleveland up ten on the bullets with six left - HELD
19 win pistons up twenty on nets - HELD
17 win celtics up 5 on 17 win kings with seven left - HELD
who knows if they all will hold (magic) but jesus is this pure gold
do YOU believe!!
yeah the knicks won as well
pellies just won but who the eff cares
best single day in sixers history since game 1 of the 2001 finals
the magic/thunder ending was retarded. winning on a dunk with 0.1 seconds to go over the best team in the nba? the hell is that?
Quote from: Rome on February 08, 2014, 07:52:16 AM
the magic/thunder ending was retarded. winning on a dunk with 0.1 seconds to go over the best team in the nba? the hell is that?
i just started running around my house
magic - 15
sixers - 15
bucks - 9
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I don't watch college ball until tourney time, but Embiid seems to be getting a lot of #1 overall talk. If the Sixers get the #1 pick, who you taking?
wiggy
but i would be fine with any of the top five except parker....altho even he has impressed me lately
and yeah embiid is the consensus 1 right now....about 70-30 over wiggins i would say as far as experts go
errrrr
yeah
ummm
the jazz (16 wins) are up five on the heat with five to play
trey burke is money
JAZZ WIN!!
what an incredible weekend so far...
the jazz are SU better than the sixers and arent in play
its really the magic at this point...battle for the 2
you cant make any judgement on any of the bottom feeders until after the trade deadline.....so much can change
ok so here it is....
pellies lost
magic won
cavs are in ot right now up four with the ball and a minute left
cavs win
sixer tank at 930
LETS
GO
!
honestly theyre outdoing themselves....taper it down
also the pellies lost
they cannot ruin this last week by winning at utah to end this trip....honestly they are already checked out so i dont see how they arent one foot on the plane home befor they even jump it up tomorrow nite....moreese speights season high before last night 16 pts....he doubled it
celtics are FOUR games ahead now.....this is a wonderful turn of events...they dont even make the list
18 - cavs
18 - lakers
17 - jazz
17 - kings
16 - magic
15 - sixers
jazz at lakers tonight
kings at cavs tonight
sixers at jazz tomorrow nite
kings at knicks tomorrow nite
magic at bucks a week from tonight
cavs at sixers a week from tonight
lakers up 10 last night in the 4th against the thunder lose.....too bad that would have been big
at the break
1. bucks - 9
2. sixers - 15
3. magic - 16
4. kings - 18
lakers
6. celtics - 19
7. jazz - 19
8. cavs - 20
9. knicks - 20
10. pistons - 22
11. hornets - 23
12. pellies - 23
lakers magic win
pellies lose
sixers bucks monday
1 is essentially out of reach and will definitely be if they win. got a real shot with a loss.
top 3 is all I want
go for the gold kiddo, go for the gold
sure....but things like that never happen to me
im way more nervous about the pellies right now than the sixers....hinkie has done his job and are going to have a top 5 pick and like you said maybe even 1...the pressure is off there...pellies sneaking into the top 5 is all i think about these days
No chance New Orleans finished with a bottom 5 record. I think the only real threat is them finishing around 8th and jumping with the lottery.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 22, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
I think the only real threat is them finishing around 8th and jumping with the lottery.
of course....but they also have a legit chance to finish there on their own
pellies go down again on a nene last second dunk.....nice rim protect brow
kings over celts
im getting greedy with the pellies...lose lose lose boys theres no way they get top 5
they are tied for the 11 right now...lets bring that down to 7 or 6!!
if they got the 6th pick i could literally die on the spot and wouldnt regret it
bucks - 10
sixers - 15
magic - 17
celts - 19
kings - 19
lakers - 19
jazz - 19
pellies - 23
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 22, 2014, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 22, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
I think the only real threat is them finishing around 8th and jumping with the lottery.
of course....but they also have a legit chance to finish there on their own
So long as Davis remains healthy I just don't see how they catch up to most of the teams below them. Even if they fall apart completely they should end between 8-11.
im not saying its likely just that its defintiely possible....put it this way i think theres just as good a chance of the pellies getting in the top five on their own than there is the sixers catching the bucks
the bucks probably wont win 5 more games....unless MONDAY
admit that tonight is more exciting than any olympic hockey game
its more exciting than any olympic hockey game thats not usa/canada gold medal played in usa or canada.
the possibilities that open with a loss....
Quote from: MDS on February 24, 2014, 02:40:40 PM
its more exciting than any olympic hockey game thats not usa/canada gold medal played in usa or canada.
the possibilities that open with a loss....
if i tried i think i can make an argument that tonights game is bigger than eagles saints playoff game this year
you couldnt, simply because even with a loss, the bucks winning 4 more games than the sixers the rest of the way are slim to none
milwaukee is catastrophically bad....theres a decent chance they dont even get to 15
QuoteThe Sixers, in the midst of a 10-game losing streak, added more fuel to the tanking fire last week when they traded away two of their top four scorers, Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes, for four second-round picks. Yes, they also received Danny Granger's expiring contract, Earl Clark, Eric Maynor and Byron Mullens in the deals. But even Sixers PR called it for what it was. "Sixers acquire Two Second Picks in 2014 from the Cavaliers" read the email headline for a trade that netted Clark. "Sixers Acquire Two Future Second Picks as Part of a Three-Team trade" for a deal that brought them Maynor.
I'll be shocked if the Sixers make it to 18 wins this season. They're the only team left that has a real shot at catching the Bucks.
hinkie dust...
QuotePop quiz. What do the following players have in common? Marc Gasol. Manu Ginobili. Paul Millsap. Monta Ellis. DeAndre Jordan. Lance Stephenson. Luis Scola. Chandler Parsons. Carlos Boozer. Rashard Lewis.
If you guessed "second-round draft picks," you're a sharp NBA observer (or just really attentive to column headlines).
Believe it or not, you can find some serious talent in the second round. There's the reigning Defensive Player of the Year (Gasol), a future Hall of Famer (Ginobili), a collection of All-Stars (Millsap, Ellis, Boozer and Lewis) and key cogs to championship contenders (Jordan, Stephenson, Scola and Parsons). And that's before we get to really solid players like Goran Dragic, Lou Williams, Amir Johnson, Marcin Gortat, Kyle Korver, Nikola Pekovic and Isaiah Thomas. All of that talent was taken in the second round.
This makes Philadelphia 76ers general manager Sam Hinkie a mad genius, right? At Thursday's trade deadline, the first-year GM continued to raze the 76ers' roster, dumping impending free agents Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes in exchange for second-round picks, among other things. All told, Hinkie has accumulated five second-rounders in the 2014 draft and a couple of extras down the road.
Is this a case of a mastermind exploiting a market inefficiency? Are second-rounders really that valuable? What in the name of Dr. J is going on in Philadelphia?
As in most cases, it's complicated.
The historical value of second-rounders
What I didn't tell you at the top was that 32 percent of all second-round picks never even play in the NBA. Not a minute. This is one of the many discoveries of the NBA DRAFT Initiative study that I published at Insider in 2009, which I've dusted off and updated this season. From Pervis Ellison to Janis Timma, I've analyzed all 1,442 picks who have been selected since 1989, the first year the draft shrunk from three rounds to the current setup of two.
76ERS' 2014 PICKS
*If season ended today
Overall pick Acquired
2 own
11 via Pelicans
32 own
39 via Cavs
45 via Nets
50 via Grizzlies
55 via Rockets
What else do we find after putting the draft under the microscope? Yes, it's true: Second-round picks are essentially a crapshoot. About one-third don't even play in the NBA. And even if they manage to slip on an NBA uniform, most burn out before lasting three seasons. Of the 603 second-rounders picked between 1989 and 2009, just 246 of them made it to Year 3.
Take, for instance, the 2010 draft class. Stephenson has developed into an All-Star candidate after being drafted in the second round in 2010. Success! Not quite. Just four of the 30 second-rounders from 2010 are still playing in the NBA: Stephenson, Utah backup big man Jeremy Evans, Toronto Raptors reserve Landry Fields and Jarvis Varnado, who is on a 10-day contract with the Chicago Bulls. The 26 others have either flamed out (like Dexter Pittman and Andy Rautins) or never got to light the wick in the first place (like Nemanja Bjelica and Tiny Gallon).
We can dig deeper. Using John Hollinger's Estimated Wins Added metric -- which is player efficiency rating translated to wins produced by taking into account minutes played -- we can examine the value of second-rounders compared to, say, late first-rounders.
PICK VALUE SINCE 2005
Picks Tot. EWA AVG EWA
26-30 246.4 0.8
31-35 153.4 0.5
Looking back to 2005 when the draft expanded to 60 picks because of the addition of the Charlotte Bobcats, we find that the final five picks of the first round (Nos. 26 to 30) have substantially outperformed the first five picks of the second round (Nos. 31 to 35). The late first-rounders have yielded 246.4 wins over that time, an average annual EWA of 0.8 (think Darrell Arthur) whereas the early second-rounders have contributed just 153.4 wins, an average annual EWA of 0.5 (think Steve Novak). What this means is that late first-rounders have produced nearly 100 more wins than the second-rounders picked right after them.
Second-rounders don't look like such a great bet now, huh? With all this information in mind, can we say Hinkie is a fool for hunting for second-rounders like they were basketball bitcoins?
Ah, but this analysis goes only so far because the new collective bargaining agreement has changed the game.
Second-round pick as currency
The CBA, ratified in 2010, has altered the NBA market thanks to a luxury-tax system that crushes teams for crossing over a designated threshold. It used to be that teams were taxed dollar-for-dollar for going over the luxury-tax line. Spend $1 million over the luxury-tax threshold and spend an additional $1 million in tax payouts.
But now, teams are taxed $1.50 for every dollar up to $5 million over the luxury-tax line. And it gets worse from there. The tax rate balloons to $1.75 per dollar for the next $5 million, $2.50 for the next $5 million and so on. In the old CBA, the Nets would pay about $30 million in luxury-tax penalties this season, but under the new punitive system, they'll pay about three times as much. Mikhail Prokhorov's tax bill this season has nearly reached nine figures.
There's more. The new CBA also introduced the repeater tax guillotine, which starts taking effect next season. The repeater rate piles on an extra dollar to the tax rate (starting at $2.50 per dollar, not $1.50 per dollar) and is designed to dissuade big-market teams from bullying the rest of the league with their deep pockets. Starting in 2014-15, teams are forced to pay the repeater rate if they were taxpayers in three of the four previous seasons. It's a big deal.
So where do second-rounders come in? Good question. First-round picks are not only more expensive than second-rounders, but they also count against the cap regardless of whether they are signed. The key is that second-rounders, by rule, do not. So cost-conscious teams looking to preserve precious cap space in summer free-agent sweepstakes or looking to shave down their luxury-tax bill can still add talent to fill out the roster by unloading a first-round pick for a couple of second-rounders.
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Luis Scola and Erik Murphy, right, are both second-rounders serving very different purposes.A tax-flirting team like Chicago, which holds two late-first-round picks next season (Charlotte's first-rounder goes to Chicago if it doesn't fall in the top 10 via the Tyrus Thomas deal), could improve its flexibility by swapping a first-rounder with Hinkie for say, the No. 32 pick and the No. 39 pick. Same goes for Oklahoma City, a team that also holds two late-first-rounders in the 2014 draft. Though it doesn't seem like much in February, second-rounders could hold serious currency for capped-out teams come June.
Furthermore, second-rounders are far cheaper for tax purposes than picking up free agents off the scrap heap. As astutely pointed out by SB Nation's Mark Deeks, there's a reason why center Erik Murphy remains on the Bulls' roster even though he never plays: As a second-round pick, he is saving them about $1 million in luxury-tax penalties compared to a similar non-drafted rookie thanks to the fine print in the CBA. With a repeater tax on the horizon, CBA minutiae matters more now than ever.
What other teams could be shopping for second-round picks at the draft? Take a look at the 2014 draft slots for Brooklyn, New York, Golden State, New Orleans and Portland. As of today, they have none. And no one likes to miss out on a draft, especially if it's a deep draft such as 2014's class. Knowing this, Hinkie could be in a position of serious leverage come draft time when any of these five teams get itchy for a draft pick -- any draft pick.
Even if Hinkie swaps two picks for one to Chicago and then sells two second-rounders to pickless teams, he still has one second-rounder left over to use for himself. In this scenario, the 76ers would have three first-rounders (they already have two thanks to New Orleans) in what's considered the most loaded draft in years.
'Together we build'
Ever since taking over GM duties this summer, Hinkie has been all about the long play, laying down building blocks for sustainable success. It's no coincidence that the Sixers' slogan this season is "Together we build." Ten years ago, trading two starters in exchange for scraps and a bunch of second-round picks would have seemed like something a GM would do if he was deliberately trying to get canned. But the equation is a little more complicated in 2014 because of a complicated CBA.
Hinkie obviously is building something in his workshop, but we probably won't know what it is for years to come. As Oklahoma City has shown us, patience is a necessary ingredient to team building but hard to come by in the microwave society in 2014.
To be sure, it's entirely possible Hinkie's efforts might still fall flat. As the DRAFT Initiative study illustrated, second-round picks aren't a reliable venture considering most of them barely even play in the league. For every Ginobili, there are 50 Tiny Gallons. But for Philly, it's not necessarily about the players; rather, it's about accumulating assets. And it could be, as a few execs around the league have theorized, that Hinkie's monopoly of the second round is more a reflection of the market for first-rounders drying up than it is about second-rounders being a golden asset.
But if you're wondering what the 76ers are doing in February, the truth is we might not know until June.
stopped reading at future hall of famer ginobili. no way.
http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2014/mockdraft you can do this all day
i did it 5 times so far and the celtics got 1st pick twice. sixers highest was 2 and lowest was 5
first try
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luck of the leprechaun
That was my first try too, but my first try also gave the pellies the third pick.
Three times and on all three it gave me 4th and 11th
didnt get the 1 and kept doing over and over again
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that's the absolutely worst case scenario and they will still have a nucleus of mcw-noel-randle next year plus a fleshpop ton of cap space. things are looking good.
Worst case scenario is the league tries to take their pick for tanking, but I just cant see that ever occurring.
Worst case is that the Sixers manage to draw the one player out of the top 5 who will be a huge bust.
Jrue broke his tibia and is out for the season.
I realize they are only 3 or so games out and badly injured, but with 30% of the season remaining, I still can't picture the Pellies catching the five most dedicated tankers at the bottom of the standings (and they would need to be in the top two to guarantee keeping their pick). The Nuggets and Hawks are in freefall, too. It's more in the Philly spirit to be victimized by the sheer cruel luck of the lottery balls anyway.
So here's the probability of Sam being screwed via lottery ball, depending on where the Pelicans finish. Figure out what number you're comfortable with and root for New Orleans to finish there. Of course the more risky the number, the higher the Sixers pick if the Pellies don't jump into the top 5. They would have to finish 3 to 6 for the Sixers to nab the #6 pick. They have the 11 spot at the moment.
3: 96%
4: 82.8%
5: 55.3%
6: 21.5%
7: 15%
8: 10%
9: 6.1%
10: 4%
11: 2.9%
12: 2.5%
13: 2.2%
14: 1.8%
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 28, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
I realize they are only 3 or so games out and badly injured, but with 30% of the season remaining, I still can't picture the Pellies catching the five most dedicated tankers at the bottom of the standings
lol
they really wanted this win and couldnt even beat the magic
demoralizing loss for this group...keep it up boys youre almost home
The question is no longer will they finish in the bottom two, it's will they win another game.
the pellies or the sixers?
Sixers. They haven't won since January. Pellies have a test this week against three shtein teams, including the Bucks. If they drop all those I'm officially scared for the Pellies pick. Otherwise, like I said, I can't see them catching up to the likes of Boston or even the Knicks.
the difference is that the pellies have a bigger reason to tank than any team in the lottery and will do anything and everything to get to that top 5....the knicks dont even have a 1st rounder and are trying to make the playoffs....also the knicks celtics and magic are in the east....only two games separate the knicks and them...i fully expect the knicks to pass them....in fact knicks jazz and kings will pass them.....lakers magic celtics are toss ups
I agree the Knicks aren't trying to tank, they're just really, really bad. Utah I think is trying to tank and kind of failing at it, at least lately. I would be shocked to see the C's drop out of the 5 because they are obviously tanking for a top 5 pick and they are a competent enough franchise to seal the deal.
I do think the Bucks, Sixers, and Magic will end up in that top 5, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple other teams jump the Magic.
In any case Nola has a lot to overcome because there are like 25 games left and all these teams we are talking about, whether trying to tank or not, might win about 4 of those, primarily against each other. There's a lot of unwatchable basketball going on, and I'm happy to say the Sixers look the worst of all of them right now.
still a long way to go but the bucks are up 15 on the jazz in the 3q
...and won by 26, so the Sixers are only 2.5 back now
Now I am becoming legit concerned about the pellies falling too far. Never really thought it was a serious concern but they are really bad right now. That pick may be boom or bust as in the sixers could legit grab the 6th pick or lose it.
sixers will get the 1 and the 6
i just know
tried to tell you all....theres no way you can have a top 5 protected pick and finish 6th 7th 8th...its just not going to happen
5. four teams at 21 wins
pellies 23 wins
wiggins and parker gonna be nice
reeeeeeeally nice win by the pellies......thank you lakers
The Jazz moved up to the 5 spot. I think these guys have zero pride and are totally focused on the lottery now, unlike the Knicks (who don't have a pick) and the Lakers (who just don't have tanking in their franchise DNA). And I think the Jazz are through with that little run of "success" they were having. Saturday's matchup with the Sixers could be a real shteinshow. I would not be surprised if the Jazz are the team that cockblocks the Pelicans down the stretch, if the Pellies try to go on a deep tank.
With the Pellies win against LA, I think the odds favor a second top 10 pick for the Sixers. A lot of stuff has to break rather badly to prevent it, either over the last month of the season or at the lottery. Sure it's just a few games, but there's a lot of teams bunched up there in the standings, and New Orleans would have to pass them all. And none of these teams are winning many more games. Plus, even if the Pellies get up to #5, the Sixers would still be 45% to keep their pick.
The one thing the Pelicans have in their favor is their tough remaining schedule, which thankfully includes two games against the aforementioned Jazz and a home game against the Celtics. Their last four games, all against the Thunder and Rockets, might as well be stamped losses right now though.
biggggg stretch for the bucks here
@ pellies, vs. wiz, vs. magic from here to monday. need to win at least 1 or its over.
they may win one but the sixers have an equally easy strecth with utah, at knicks, kings
so even if milwaukee were to take one the sixers are going to do the same
of the bottom ten teams in the league the pellies have the 9th hardest schedule the rest of the way
the knicks and jazz have the first and third easiest
these are two of the four teams that the pellies have to jump to get to the five spot
on the good side of things the lakers who are the team the pellies have to catch for the 5 spot have the most difficult (in fact the lakers have the second most difficult schedule in the entire nba.....tho they did just win at portland so who knows)
ftr the sixers have the third hardest
1. milwaukee
2. sixers - 2.5
3. magic - 5.5
4. celtics - 7.5
5. lakers - 8
6. jazz - 8.5
7. knicks - 9
8. kings - 9.5
9. cavs - 11
10. pellies - 11.5 (3.5 back of the lakers)
how much of a loser am i??
i turned down going out tonight to watch the bucks pellies game
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 05, 2014, 11:21:16 PM
The Jazz moved up to the 5 spot. I think these guys have zero pride and are totally focused on the lottery now, unlike the Knicks (who don't have a pick) and the Lakers (who just don't have tanking in their franchise DNA). And I think the Jazz are through with that little run of "success" they were having. Saturday's matchup with the Sixers could be a real shteinshow. I would not be surprised if the Jazz are the team that cockblocks the Pelicans down the stretch, if the Pellies try to go on a deep tank.
Jazz confirmed as tanking. Lost by 27 points to the horrible Knicks.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2014, 08:21:01 PM
how much of a loser am i??
i turned down going out tonight to watch the bucks pellies game
right then
pellies out of the top ten
1. milwaukee
2. sixers - 2.5
3. magic - 5.5
4. lakers - 8
5. jazz - 8.5
6. celtics - 8.5
7. kings - 9.5
8. knicks - 10
9. cavs - 11
10. detroit 11.5
pellies - 12.5 (4 back of the five spot)
i think the sixers win tonight....jazz got rolled by the putrid knicks last night....so not only is tonight a back to back but the sixers haven't played in three days and its the last game of a seven game roadie and they are flying to utah after the game....can you say already on the plane...its acutally a schedule quirk where if the jazz were any good they would have beef
put it this way if the sixers lose tonight they really might not win another game
already on the plane
lol
You can get the Sixers to not win another game at +300 on Bovada
thats incredibly low imo...they are gonna win another game....shtein they are gonna win tonight
should be at least +1200
tank you tank you all so much
amazing part of that loss is that it was tied with three minutes left....sixers off since tuesday fold in the stretch....jazz at the end of a long ass roadie and back to back games this weekend step up
i wish this sixer team as currently constituted was the team they went into the season with just to see the record broken
After winning 3 straight, the Pellies are now 4 games back of the Celtics, Jazz, and Kings, who are tied for the 5 spot. I'm not too sure that all of those teams have more than 4 wins left in the tank.
Basically I'm back to rooting for the Pelicans to lose as much as possible to drive up that second draft pick.
i feel like 50% of the teams that have a chance of picking before the sixers end up going embiid. i'm lot gonna lose any sleep with one of the big 3 and then a nice 2 guard with the pelicans pick. i still believe we get wiggy. that is a boner worthy starting 4.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 10, 2014, 05:42:33 AM
After winning 3 straight, the Pellies are now 4 games back of the Celtics, Jazz, and Kings, who are tied for the 5 spot. I'm not too sure that all of those teams have more than 4 wins left in the tank.
Basically I'm back to rooting for the Pelicans to lose as much as possible to drive up that second draft pick.
im not at a place where i can root for them to lose but i couldnt have been more wrong about them...they have to be driving demps absolutely crazy
Quote from: phattymatty on March 10, 2014, 07:43:04 AM
i feel like 50% of the teams that have a chance of picking before the sixers end up going embiid. i'm lot gonna lose any sleep with one of the big 3 and then a nice 2 guard with the pelicans pick. i still believe we get wiggy. that is a boner worthy starting 4.
theres no two's worthy in the range that the pellies pick would fall
wiggy is the two
i still hold hope that if they get the pellies pick they use thad and some two's to move up
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2014, 02:42:16 PMi still hold hope that if they get the pellies pick they use thad and some two's to move up
I'd love that too, but is there a trading partner that stupid?
If everything broke perfectly I could see like Randle falling to #6, maybe if #5 needs a guard a lot more than a forward, but that might be the same kind of situation where a team could swing a trade into the 5 spot. To have the Sixers sitting on the 6th pick, the Pelicans would need to finish in spots 3-6 though, and that's looking unlikely.
Thank god the Pelicans are out west or they'd be sniffing playoffs.
Our luck is Wiggy and Randle buck the trend and stay in school
sixers 15-48
bucks 13-50
three team race to determine the top 3 now....also root hard for memphis to miss the playoffs...they are currently the 8 seed a half game ahead of pheonix...making the playoffs could cause their second round pick which the sixers own to drop as many as 5 spots...want lots of cleveland losses as well as the sixers have their second rounder...they also have the net and rocket 2nd rounders but no real chance either of those picks will be in the top half of the round
1. bucks --
2. sixers 2
3. magic 5
4. lakers 8.5
5. jazz 8.5
6. kings 9
7. celts 9
8. cavs 10.5
9. pistons 11
10. knicks 11
11. pellies 13 (5.5 back of the five spot)
race is over
sixers wont win again this year and the bucks will win 3 at least
wiggins wiggins say my name....
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2014, 07:08:34 AMroot hard for memphis to miss the playoffs...they are currently the 8 seed a half game ahead of pheonix...making the playoffs could cause their second round pick which the sixers own to drop as many as 5 spots
The entire second round is based on record....playoff and non-playoff mixed together
If the Celtics beat the Pelicans today, they would drop to #6 and the Pelicans would bump up to being tied for the 9 spot, with 5 straight games against playoff teams coming up.
I don't think either team has an interest in that outcome. Could be the first Pellies double digit win since January.
celts by 7 with five left in 3q qb
and on cue the pellies go on a 10-0 run
The top 8 teams in the draft at the moment are all riding losing streaks of at least 2 games, and the top 5 teams are all riding losing streaks of at least 4 games. And these streaks would be much longer if the teams didn't play one another.
Tanking is a real thing.
None of these teams play one another until the Magic go to Salt Lake on Saturday, so it could be a long week of losing.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 18, 2014, 04:43:26 AM
The top 8 teams in the draft at the moment are all riding losing streaks of at least 2 games, and the top 5 teams are all riding losing streaks of at least 4 games.
luckily anything from 3 on doesnt matter anymore....well except the pellies of course....sixers are either ending up 1 or 2 so only milwaukee is of any concern from here on out
sixers are four up on the magic with 15 left and youd have to come up with some really creative scenarios to have them winning more than four games out of those 15
in case you missed this last weekend....
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10624512&ex_cid=espnapi_internal
absolute stomach punch loss for the bucks tonight...jesus to take the blazers to OT on the road.
by my count they have either 4 or 5 winnable games left, depends on the last game of the year vs. the hawks. sixers are in the exact same boat.
this isnt great.
Catching the Bucks would be nice, but it only increases their shot at the #1 pick by 5%. The big advantage is eliminating the possibility of dropping down to #5. Considering this is a luck-related lottery and we're talking about a Philly team, our expectation should be the #4 pick at best.
50 extra balls is huge and theres no real difference in this draft btwn 3-5....really if you dont get wiggy its a disappointment so getting one is much more important than avoiding 5...in fact id rather have five than 3 because you avoid jabari at 5...exum at 5 would be great
maybe the bucks want that stiff center embid...maybe
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2014, 06:41:35 AM
50 extra balls is huge and theres no real difference in this draft btwn 3-5....really if you dont get wiggy its a disappointment so getting one is much more important than avoiding 5...in fact id rather have five than 3 because you avoid jabari at 5...exum at 5 would be great
why so against parker
its not against him more than i just dont think he can become a superstar....i think he can be very good but i dont want very good in the top 3
unless he turns into a lights out shooter like paul pierce i think his game is limited by a lack of handle and athleticism
if you are the bucks with a roster that contains some legit young talent you can go parker....but the sixers are more or less starting from scratch...they need a huge ceiling guy and then pray he goes thru it
pellies have entered full tank mode....sitting anthony davis tonight with a "respitory infection".....bullshtein
good
they cant get into the top 5 anyway
Quote from: MDS on March 19, 2014, 09:05:22 PM
good
they cant get into the top 5 anyway
This. Too many teams to jump who also suck and too few games left. The more they lose the better at this point.
Yeah I don't see why they would be tanking at all at this stage.
because by moving up to say 6 or 7 they can increase their odds to get into the lottery via ping pong balls quite a bit
they dont have to finish in the top five by wins and losses to end up in the top 5
Toronto came back to win at New Orleans last night, so the Pelicans' elimination number is 3
sixers got eliminated last night which above all else thats gone on this year shows how brutal the east really is
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 20, 2014, 06:52:52 AM
because by moving up to say 6 or 7 they can increase their odds to get into the lottery via ping pong balls quite a bit
they dont have to finish in the top five by wins and losses to end up in the top 5
straight shook bitch
game aint in you no more
im not shook at all...but i would rather the sixers have a 98% chance of getting the pellies pick than an 80% chance....but maybe im stupid
the pellies will not get into the top 5....it aint gonna happen
enjoy life for once. the world will end soon. just enjoy it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 20, 2014, 02:36:04 PM
im not shook at all...but i would rather the sixers have a 98% chance of getting the pellies pick than an 80% chance....but maybe im stupid
If you like the #12 pick as much as the #6 pick then yeah, you should root for the Pellies to win. Otherwise the odds are that they are simply driving up the value of the Sixer pick by losing. I mean what are we scared of here, that the Pelicans are gonna lose all the rest of their games (including Jazz and Kings), Boston/LA/Sac/Detroit are gonna start winning a bunch in the final 15 games against teams trying to make and position themselves in the playoffs, and this low percentage combination of events will allow the Pellies to up their odds of farging the Sixers to as much as... 20%?
The odds of all that shtein happening is lower than the odds of them just purely winning a top 3 spot on the 3% shot from the 11 position.
And if you're the Pelicans, nothing in the world would look worse than giving the Sixers the #6 pick. That's the main thing they'd like to avoid. That Jrue trade already looks stupid for them, imagine how it would look if the Sixers pull Julius Randle with it.
youve said 50 times in this thread that bad things happen to philly teams and that the pellies are going to jump into the top 5 with their pick and now you dont care if they drastically increase their odds?
you think of yourself as an abused spouse and always assume your man is gonna come home and beat you
guess what, honey? he aint
I'm telling you the odds of all the things breaking perfectly to allow them to farg the Sixers from the 6 or 7 spot is lower than the odds of them just killing the Sixers from 10,11,12. Conditional probability, it's called. And the Sixers have a 0% shot at another single digit pick if the Pellies win some more.
As a fan it would also feel more devastating if the Pelicans farg the Sixers with a 2% shot than with a 15% or 20%.
pellies win in the atl
pellies waxing the heat
chance at the 1 goes away if bucks dont win @ kings tomorrow....cant see it happening without it
the one been gone
sixers also have two against the celts and one against Detroit....probably win two of three there
they havent won since before the super bowl but they will be win 2/3 at some point later on this year
the game aren't in a row....im saying they will win two of those three celtic piston games
The Sixers have only gained 4 games on the Bucks since the losing streak started
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 23, 2014, 02:31:44 PM
The Sixers have only gained 4 games on the Bucks since the losing streak started
thats actually a ton if you consider that 4 wins is over 30% of the bucks total on the season
Pellies came back from 22 down to beat the Nets in OT.
It's looking a lot like the second Sixers pick will be in the 10-14 range.
wayne selden who may have been an option with the pellies pick is staying in school
lakers at bucks tonight
a must win for milwaukee if the sixers are going to have any chance to catch them
Embiid declared
good news: the bucks won
bad news: they probably dont have a winnable game left
i wish i had a gif of this play at the end of the bucks lakers game last night....bucks were up two with like 7 seconds left and inbounding the ball at the advanced spot....so they inbound it to one guy...no foul from the lakers...kick it back out to ramon sessions...no foul by the lakers....ramon sessions throws the ball to a wide open giannas under the basket who gets a free layup with two seconds left....talk about tanking
One game out of a tie with the Bucks, just an fyi
QuoteIn the event that teams finish with the same record, each tied team receives the average of the total number of combinations for the positions that they occupy. In 2007, the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Portland Trail Blazers tied for the sixth worst record. The average of the 6th and 7th positions in the lottery was taken, resulting in each team getting 53 combinations (the average of 63 and 43). Should the average number not be an integer, a coin flip is then used to determine which team or teams receive the extra combination(s). The result of the coin flip is also used to determine who receives the earlier pick in the event that neither of the tied teams wins one of the first three picks via the lottery.
atlanta win is more important tonight than a sixer loss...with a W the hawks move into a tie with the pellies
pellies sit at 13th right now....but theres four teams within two wins of them
pellies - 32
nuggets - 32
hawks - 31
knicks - 31
cavs - 30
atlanta will be out of the lottery, they have the 8
any of knicks hawks cavs could still get the 8...so yes one of those teams will not be in the mix but all of those teams are trying to win as much as possible which is a good thing
Big win by the Knicks last night at Golden State
The Pellies lottery position is pretty much guaranteed to fall between 9 and 12. Can't see them catching Detroit or Minnesota on either end of that range.
Odds of jumping to the top 3:
9: 6.1%
10: 4%
11: 2.9%
12: 2.5%
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2014, 12:05:49 PM
atlanta win is more important tonight than a sixer loss...with a W the hawks move into a tie with the pellies
pellies sit at 13th right now....but theres four teams within two wins of them
pellies - 32
nuggets - 32
hawks - 31
knicks - 31
cavs - 30
wins (soft games left)
knicks - 32 (none)
nuggets - 32 (new orl, utah)
hawks - 32 (cle, det, bos, mil)
pellies - 32 (next two games are @denver, @utah - last five games are @ portland, pheonix, @okie, @ houston, okie, houston, LOL)
cavs - 30 (@orl, mil, @det, bos)
sixers 16 (have a home and home with boston and what should be six losses)
bucks 14 (cleveland at home, last two games toronto and @ atlanta two teams that could very easily have nothing to play for)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2014, 07:08:07 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2014, 12:05:49 PM
atlanta win is more important tonight than a sixer loss...with a W the hawks move into a tie with the pellies
pellies sit at 13th right now....but theres four teams within two wins of them
pellies - 32
nuggets - 32
hawks - 31
knicks - 31
cavs - 30
wins (soft games left)
knicks - 32 (none)
nuggets - 32 (new orl, utah)
hawks - 32 (cle, det, bos, mil)
pellies - 32 (next two games are @denver, @utah - last five games are @ portland, pheonix, @okie, @ houston, okie, houston, LOL)
cavs - 30 (@orl, mil, @det, bos)
sixers 16 (have a home and home with boston and what should be six losses)
bucks 14 (cleveland at home, last two games toronto and @ atlanta two teams that could very easily have nothing to play for)
great evening...denver over pellies last night and the brow left in the 2q with back issues....knicks destroyed the nets
pellies now at the 10 spot...hawks cavs friday night
knicks - 33 (none)
nuggets - 33 (utah)
hawks - 32 (cle, det, bos, mil)
pellies - 32 (next @ utah - last five games are @ portland, pheonix, @okie, @ houston, okie, houston, LOL)
cavs - 31 (@orl)
go betsy go betsy!
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/7A17EDE7C21063539418993971200_130cd19be48.4.8.6484952908204604002.mp4?versionId=_JmzwYAN6Jko2GjBnpS2p3CtySFi21ZL
you may wanna watch the college 3pt contest tonight to see travis bader....hes a sick shooter...the best in the draft and someone that would be nice with one of hinkie magics 11 second round picks
because you care
bader came in second....one of those 3 pt johnsons where the best shooter lights it up for three rounds then loses in the final because its not cumulative scoring
GET!!
so you're saying the all time ncaa leader in 3 pointers is a good shooter. got it.
tons of 3 point shooters in college don't translate to the nba....shtein shooting in general doesnt....i know you are a college guy not a pro but they couldnt be different leagues
for example the guy who won the contest isnt going to make the league
you can make the argument that a team who ties the all time consecutive loss record should end up with the number one pick but pre lottery this season is setting up to be as good as you can ask for....
sixers get the two and pellies losing again tonight to the jazz and cant finish higher than 9...gonna prob be 9 or 10...not lower end of the lottery but not so high to get a legit shot to move up
Since it looks like the Sixers are locked into #2, here's a look at where the lottery #2 ended up since they weighted the system 20 years ago:
2013 = Charlotte got #4
2012 = Washington got #3
2011 = Cleveland got #4
2010 = Minnesota got #4
2009 = Washington got #5 (and the pick went to Minnesota)
2008 = Seattle got #4
2007 = Boston got #5
2006 = New York stayed at #2 (and the pick went to Chicago)
2005 = New Orleans got #4
2004 = Chicago got #3
2003 = Denver got #3
2002 = Chicago got #2
2001 = Golden State got #5
2000 = Chicago got #4
1999 = LA Clippers got #4
1998 = Toronto got #4
1997 = Boston got #3
1996 = SIXERS got #1
1995 = Washington got #4
1994 = Detroit got #3
Well that doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy...a lot of 4's in there
just like a roulette wheel that hasnt landed on red in a while....its due to hit on red. thats how this works right? RIGHT
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2014, 02:18:57 PM
Well that doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy...a lot of 4's in there
4 is the most likely landing spot, that's how it works. 4 is the most likely draft position of the Bucks, too.
The odds of getting a top 3 pick are 55% for the Sixers.
Something else to add: even though the #1 team in the lottery usually doesn't end up with the #1 pick, the #2 team in the lottery has only picked higher than them three times (2006, 1997, 1996)
no way the pellies beat the blazers tonight
going down again
fate
L
big ups to QB who called this from the long ago
what happens if the pellies get into the top 3 and the sixers get the 5
what happens to michael jamal havas
Quote from: MDS on April 06, 2014, 11:49:06 PM
what happens if the pellies get into the top 3 and the sixers get the 5
what happens to michael jamal havas
farg the hell off
haha MELTDOWN city
will it be better or worse than cole hamels in 2009
wow how do you remember that?
I completely lost it in a bar in front of a half ton of friends when that pos melted down more than anyone ive ever seen
Haha if that happened we'd all need to get to Maryland and protect Havas from himself
is there any one of us that doesn't remember where we were when he bled from his vagina against the yanks
I think I've repressed that memory from my brain.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2014, 12:10:45 AM
wow how do you remember that?
I completely lost it in a bar in front of a half ton of friends when that pos melted down more than anyone ive ever seen
i didnt know that you lost it. i just thought of the biggest philly meltdown i could remember and that popped up. it honestly had nothing to do with you.
I remember what I was eating who I was with how drunk I was and who I dicked down that night....that game was a travesty of epicness
Quote from: MDS on April 07, 2014, 12:19:06 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2014, 12:10:45 AM
wow how do you remember that?
I completely lost it in a bar in front of a half ton of friends when that pos melted down more than anyone ive ever seen
i didnt know that you lost it. i just thought of the biggest philly meltdown i could remember and that popped up. it honestly had nothing to do with you.
fair enough....but it was one of the worst philly sporting moments ever
its right up there, especially for the modern era
5's performance in the nfccg vs. carolina might top it. that was something else.
Quote from: MDS on April 07, 2014, 12:23:05 AM
its right up there, especially for the modern era
5's performance in the nfccg vs. carolina might top it. that was something else.
probably but you don't put your whole existence into a qb like you do every pitch in baseball....baseball is an all together different entity
true...cant say the eagles win the superbowl if 5 is better
you can say the phillies win the world series if cole hamels is cole hamels. he lost it for them. flat out.
cant disagree
nm
with a 5 game gap with only 5 to play sixers have locked up the #2 spot
now its a 100% pellie watch...probably gonna finish 10, 11 or 12 but with their brutal sked and the cavs friendly one its not out of the realm of poss that they fall to 9
pellies last five are awesome:
phoenix
@ okc
@ hou
okc
hou
12. nuggets -- (hou, @gs, utah, @lac, gs)
11. knicks .5 (@tor, chi, @bkyn, tor)
10. pellies 1 :poison
9. cavs 2.5 (det, @mil, bos, bklyn)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
probably gonna finish 10, 11 or 12 but with their brutal sked and the cavs friendly one its not out of the realm of poss that they fall to 9
I like them for the 9, or at least tied for it. Not sure they have any wins left and look at those stinkers the Cavs have. Leaving aside the Bucks, the Celtics are so aggressively interested in losing right now that they lost to the Sixers (they could find themselves out of the top 5 if they farg around), and the Pistons have more to lose for than any other team. Right now Detroit is in the precarious 8 spot, with a 17% chance of pulling the 9 pick in the lottery and losing their top 8 protected pick. They can reduce that chance to under 2% by moving up to the 7 spot.
12. nuggets -- (@gs, utah, @lac, gs)
11. knicks 1 (@tor, chi, @bkyn, tor)
10. pellies 2 :poison
9. cavs 2.5 (@mil, bos, bklyn)
nuggets with a huge win last night in a great game over the warriors and the the brow out for the year puts the 12 spot out of reach and really makes the nine spot the favorite for where they finish up....couldnt have worked out much better
11. knicks 1.5 (@tor, chi, @bkyn, tor) - 3%
10. pellies 2.5 (@okc, @ hou, okc, hous) - 4%
9. cavs 3 (@mil, bos, bklyn) - 6%
im in bizzaro world tonight...after living on the edge all year goin in the other direction it feels so weird to be rooting for the bucks to lose and the sixers to win
bucks should be able to win last game of the season vs. atlanta...the question is can they steal 1 of the next 2 vs. possibly disinterested toronto or washington?
what kind of capper to the year would it be to force a tie for the most lotto balls
chances of pellies getting the knicks now ultra slim....but the farging cavs choked against the bucks or else the sixers would have two picks inside the top ten right now.....thats huge psychologically
11. knicks - (chi, @bkyn, tor) - 3%
10. pellies 2 (@hou, okc, hous) - 4%
9. cavs 2.5 (@mil, bos, bklyn) - 6%
its down to 10 or 9
10. pellies -- (okc, hou) - 4%
9. cavs .5 (bos, bklyn) - 6%
Would have really liked 2 in the top 8, but I suppose top 10 will do.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2014, 03:56:18 PM
its down to 10 or 9
10. pellies -- (okc, hou) - 4%
9. cavs .5 (bos, bklyn) - 6%
Cavs-Celtics was yesterday. Celtics won (and their top 5 finish is threatened). Looking like it'll probably be a tie for 9.
NO could've still caught the Knicks for #11, but that was eliminated when NY won tonight
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 13, 2014, 10:55:40 PM
NO could've still caught the Knicks for #11, but that was eliminated when NY won tonight
wasnt ever happening
in a suprise montrez harrell is gonna stay in school
Quote@Bucks: The Bucks are now guaranteed the following odds in the 2014 NBA Draft Lottery:
1 - 25.0%
2 - 21.5%
3 - 17.8%
4 - 35.7%
#BucksDraft
NO beat OKC, so it'll be #10 for the other pick
sixers locked into the 2 with these odds
two hole
#1 pk - 20%
#2 pk - 19%
#3 pk - 17%
#4 pk - 32%
#5 pk - 12%
cleveland and new orleans still battling...new orleans is locked in at nine but cleveland can still tie them...if this happens they would each receive the average of the total number of combinations for positions 9 & 10
nine hole
#1 pk - 1.7%
#2 pk - 2.0%
#3 pk - 2.4%
#9 pk - 81%
#10 pk - 12%
#11 pk - .38%
#12 pk - miniscule%
ten hole
#1 pk - 1.1%
#2 pk - 1.3%
#3 pk - 1.58%
#10 pk - 87%
#11 pk - 9%
#12 pk - .18%
#13 pk - miniscule%
I want Harris @10.
cleveland handling the nets....pellies neck and neck with the rockets....start of the 4th for both
11-2 run puts houstons d league team up 1 in new orleans with 2.5 left
not enough
pellies finish at...
#1 pk - 1.1%
#2 pk - 1.3%
#3 pk - 1.58%
#10 pk - 87%
#11 pk - 9%
#12 pk - .18%
#13 pk - miniscule%
round 1
2 (2)
10 (10)
round 2
2 (32)
9 (39)
16 or 17 (46 or 47)
22 (52)
24, 25 or 26 (54, 55 or 56)
squirt
jabari IN
ive gone from thinking the sixers will get the 1 to knowing they will get the 4 or 5.
farg philly
Good news about Parker. He's gonna look awesome in Orlando.
Quote from: Rome on April 17, 2014, 03:42:03 PM
Good news about Parker. He's gonna look awesome in Orlando.
as long as the sixers dont get him im good
I'd rather Parker than Randle.
Parker doesn't play defense though, so it's unlikely Brown and Hink would be interested
I'm sure they'd take Wiggins or Embiid if they can (and Embiid's back checks out). But I'd take Parker @3.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 17, 2014, 07:58:11 PM
Parker doesn't play defense though, so it's unlikely Brown and Hink would be interested
hinkie traded for james harden....imo the worst defenser in the nba and jeremy lin....i dont think he puts a premium on defenders
hinkie is an offensive guy anyway...hes all about getting as many posessions a game as possible and scoring from behind the arc and at the rim...he wants shooters and slashers
for those reasons i agree with easy on that i dont see parker as his kind of guy...parker is going to slow down an offense...not that hes a sloth or anything but hes more a half court player...in fact a concern with him is thats hes always out of shape...something easily correctable....but the kind of game he plays isnt a whole lot different than evan turner just at a way higher level
i would be shocked if hinkie doesnt covet wiggins
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2014, 05:50:05 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 17, 2014, 03:42:03 PM
Good news about Parker. He's gonna look awesome in Orlando.
as long as the sixers dont get him im good
lolol
I expect Hinkie wants wiggins too.
I think their games have some similarities but Parker has 10x the athleticism ET does.
parker isnt as athletic as you think...hes more 3/4 than turner who is three all the way....jabari will be able to at times bully his way to the basket which will make him a better finisher than turner in the league but in general i think we will see that jabaris lack of athleticism will cause him to struggle to finish at the rim in the nba...thats the main reason i dont want him....his ceiling is so much lower than the other guys at the top of the draft because he lacks elite athleticism
Never said Parker was an elite athlete. Wiggins is and Parker isn't. That means Wiggins ceiling is >>> Parker. But I do think most agree Parker still has above average athleticism. My concern would be his defense and potentially his conditioning.
Forgot about Exum. I might take him at 3 depending on workouts if the sixers are picking there and wiggins/Embiid are gone.
he seems like the kind of guy who will put the work in...so his conditioning wouldnt bother me right now....one thing that will dictate his career imo is his shooting...if he becomes a knock down shooter then he has paul pierce potential
So the lottery selection/rigging is being held 5/20, I went ahead and looked up the suicide hotline in Maryland just in case (1-800-422-0009). Keep that number handy for 6/26 too.
Who's everyone top 5?
1. Wiggins
2. Embiid
3. Parker
4. Randle
5. Exum
Same as yours. Going Embiid is riskier than going Parker and deserves some discussion. There's potential for a defensively suffocating Twin Towers scenario with Noel, but there are some questions on offense there. And then you're also banking on two big men with injury histories. The Sixers could trade Noel but it's hard to imagine them doing that without getting a look at him first. They'd have to flush out the 2 and the 3 with shooters (I assume they move Thad).
Still, it's too exciting to turn down Embiid if Wiggins is gone. But I think any of the five would be an exciting pick for this franchise. If someone came from the year 2020 and told me that Parker, Randle, or Exum was a HOF level player and Wiggins was a bust, I would not be shocked. At this point I'm just hoping for the highest possible pick and trusting in Sam to take the best guy available. The new regime hasn't pissed me off yet, so I'm giving them benefit of the doubt.
1 - wiggy
2 - embiid
3 - exum
4 - vonleh
5 - randle
ive given my feelings on parker in general but aside how i feel about him on an island I also drop him another spot or two because the sixers will have two (pray) top 10 picks....i think that allows them to bypass a safe pick like jabari and go with the upside in the top 5
they need a superstar to be a title contender in five years and i dont think parker will ever get to that level...I also value defense way more than most
Mine is the same as SD and QB but I'm not sold on Embiid.
Randle intrigues me and I think he could be a Demarcus cousins type guy
In Hinkie I trust tho.....it's funny to see the local media rip him for never talking
randle can play away from the basket much better than cuzzo....i think randle is a guy that will right off the bat be so much better simply because hes not in college anymore....the pro game suits him so much...if i picked a rookie of the year right now it would be him
I like players who have low post games and think it's a very underrated and overlooked part of the NBA now. Everyone wants to face up from the wings or hit 15ft jumpers
Randle seems like he will be a low post banger
Him and Noel in the blocks could be special
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2014, 08:05:07 PM
Mine is the same as SD and QB but I'm not sold on Embiid.
Randle intrigues me and I think he could be a Demarcus cousins type guy
In Hinkie I trust tho.....it's funny to see the local media rip him for never talking
The local media is filled to the brim with sloping farging foreheads. If they didn't have "jobs" writing poorly constructed rants they'd be holding towels in each hand at the local car wash. farg those iceholes.
Agreed and they don't have a real good hoops beat guy. Bob Cooney is probably the best
Alex Poythress if he declares would be a guy I hope they get with one of their two's
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2014, 08:21:43 PM
I like players who have low post games and think it's a very underrated and overlooked part of the NBA now.
I dont disagree but its not overlooked....its just thats the game has gone away from that...nba teams arent ignoring back to the basket guys there just arent any out there....blame dirk nowitski....he pretty much invented the stretch big
I was all nostalgic from watching the Bad Boys 30 for 30
Randle didn't shoot as well from outside as he was billed this year. I'd rather have Vonleh.
For me:
Wiggins
Embiid
Parker/Exum
Vonleh
Randle
julius randle IN
29 days - lottery
66 days - draft
also the tie breakers have been decided....these are the sixers official picks/chances
own
1-1 = 19.9
1-2 = 18.8
1-3 = 17.1
1-4 = 31.9
1-5 = 12.3
pellies
1-1 = 1.1
1-2 = 1.3
1-3 = 1.6
1-10 = 87.0
1-11 = 8.9
1-12 = .1
2-32
2-39
2-47
2-52
2-54
if its the 5 and the 12, are you still alive?
ill survive any scenario where they dont lose the pellies pick....but 5-12 would send me into a severe elongated depression for sure
my feelings haven't really changed since the beginning of the year. i wavered a little bit on wiggy in the beginning and am not as much into parker as i was but i'm still totally cool with a top 4 pick. when you have a guy like aaron gordon, who could easily still be there at 7 or 8 and has an off chance of being the best of all of them, draft is deep as farg yo.
1. wiggy
2 or 3. parker
2 or 3. randle
4. embiid
5. who cares
i also think gary harris is a great fit with the pellies pick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2014, 02:30:54 PM
ill survive any scenario where they dont lose the pellies pick....but 5-12 would send me into a severe elongated depression for sure
lose the pellies pick and get the 5 = do you kill someone (munson?)
munson is already dead to me
id probably just wither away and die myself within six months...kind of like two old people who have been married for 60 years and one of them dies....the other one always goes shortly after
you must like aaron gordon a lot if you put a high value on defense. Gordon doesn't really do anything for me. I get that he's going to be a good do everything type of guy in the NBA but that doesn't scream star potential at all IMO which is what the Sixers need to hit with here.
I'm also curious why Stauskas is lower than DMcD in all mock drafts. I think McDermott would be fine with the Sixers pick if they get someone explosive with the first pick because he fills the shooting void, but Stauskas will have a better chance getting his own shot in the NBA. He's actually deceptively good off the dribble.
im not saying hes the better player but mcdermott has by far the best skill of both him and stauskus...his shooting is next level...stauskas is better all around but no part of his game is in the same league with mcdermotts lights out shot and he isnt going to scare anyone in any area....mcdermott is the kind of guy that can change the way a defense plays when hes in the game....a pick and pop guy who is also an outstanding passer (and i think he can excel in this capacity in the rigth system) is so valuable in todays league
i dont like gordon in the top 5 if thats what you are saying but id take him in a heartbeat if he fell and they could get him at say 10
if someone gets gordon at 10, which i don't see happening, that's an all-time steal in the draft. i like him more than most people here apparently and think he'll eventually be one of 3 or 4 best players out of this draft.
vonleh's wingspan measured in at 7'5 and his hands 11 3/4....those are pretty sick numbers
he was 6'8 out of shoes
exum: 6-6 in shoes....196 lbs...6'9 3/4 wing
that huge....mcw wing is 6-7...it even beats rondo's 6-9
http://instagram.com/p/oB7I4MqvSb/#
say the sixers get 2nd pick and wiggins goes first.
how do you want them to pick?
who do they pick?
Man I don't even know. I'm nervous as farg
embiid
that would be a bigger no brainer than taking wiggy if they get the first pick
Is his back gonna hold up?
I'm still thinking that Randle is gonna be a baller
hes got a stress fracture....its not a crooked spine or anything....hes gonna get a million physicals...if it comes out that its something chronic then you reevaluate...I like randle but with that top pick you need someone than has a chance to be transcendant...that's why even tho wiggy may not turn out to be a superstar or even in the top 5 best players in this draft you still take him because of his incredible ceiling....embiid is in the same category....randle just isn't....I like him but hes more a guy youd want with the 10th pick even tho hes clearly going higher
farg embiid. back injury aside, i don't see him and nerlens being a good fit on the court. need to give NN some time to be the big man all by himself. i think the best pick at 2 is parker. they need scoring and he'll learn to play better D.
if you like nerlens you should jerking off over embiid...embiid is nerlens on gamma rays...and I disagree that they cant play together but even if you think that...the sixers are not in a place where they should be drafting for need or position...they should be accumulating the best possible players and as many of them as they can get...if dante exum is gonna be a superstar point guard then farg mcw....if embiid is going to be the next hakeem then farg nerlens noel...get the max talent and then work it out
that's why i dont want parker...hes so bleh....he has an incredibly high floor and is probably good for 17 and 8 over a long nba career....but i just dont see him ever being a superstar or a first option on a championship team
Gordon hit every bar during his running vertical drill today
vine (https://twitter.com/NBADraft/status/467360021547061249)
I'm not big on drafting foreign players high...just don't think they've experienced the same level of competition since the us is the Mecca for basketball. Few years ago I was arguing with some of you about the wolves taking Rubio so early. That being said...there's a good chance the sixers get the 4th pick meaning best player left will be Exum. I watched as much video of him as I could find...would be 100% ok with selecting him 4th and actually like his game more than Parker's. only problem is he plays the point and mcw is already in that spot...do you play 2 point guards with Exum playing the 2? From what I've read Exum needs work on his jump shot so he might need some time to adjust. There was some local tslk(articles and radio) about trading mcw...I just don't see them getting enough in return.
ive only seen exum play one game and then a lot of video so I cant really tell....but a lot scouts say he has two guard potential
Didn't seem like anyone really hurt themselves with the combine. Gordon and LaVine tested well. Randle tested better than expected. Stuaskas and McDermott also tested well though I wonder if McD measuring in at 6'6 will hurt him even if he did better in the athleticism drills than most expected.
size is pretty irrelevant when talking mcbuckets....hes either going to be able to knock down shots or he isnt...its not like hes going to be taking people down on the block
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2014, 06:10:57 PM
size is pretty irrelevant when talking mcbuckets....hes either going to be able to knock down shots or he isnt...its not like hes going to be taking people down on the block
It may make him even more of a defensive liability than I had thought though. You can't even pretend he will guard 4s at that height. I know his defense isn't why you draft him but it's still worth considering.
he was never guarding fours...defensively hes basically evan turner...like you said that's not going to be under consideration when picking him
Shooting's the only true need with the 10 pick, in my mind. Noel will be a big addition on D, and hopefully so will the 1-5 pick. Still might not have anyone who can shoot, though.
wiggy coming up on first take
The lucky charm representatives this year:
Bucks = New co-owner Marc Lasry's son Alexander and new co-owner Wes Edens' daughter Mallory
SIXERS = DR J
Magic = Pat Williams (ah crap)
Jazz = Former owner Larry Miller's son Bryan
Celtics = Co-owner Stephen Pagliuca
Lakers = James Worthy
Kings = Owner Vivek Ranadive's daughter Anjali
Pistons = Kyle Singler
Cavaliers = GM David Griffin
Pelicans = GM Dell Demps
Nuggets = Brian Shaw
Knicks = N/A (their pick goes to Orlando)
Wolves = GM Milt Newton
Suns = The Morris twins
1 and 10. it's happening this year. you heard it here first.
if anyone wants to put a bet on it i'm down.
secretly hoping for the 5 and a lost pellies pick to see havas' reaction (which im assuming will be death)
Quote from: MDS on May 20, 2014, 01:29:35 AM
secretly hoping for the 5 and a lost pellies pick to see havas' reaction (which im assuming will be death)
lol
In the interest of keeping info in one place:
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CSN jinxed things this morning by pointing out that the Sixers have never fallen backwards when they've had a lottery pick in the last 20 years. They've always stayed the same or moved up
Yeah I read that last night and cringed....we're farged
dudes relax. it's all good. 1 and 10.
thinking of doing an igy special and taking that bet with Mathew
be prepared to be paid in pesos
going to be driving when this is on. sirius better have the lottery on one of its channels.
im sure it will be on nba radio (217) and probably will be on espn radio
I just know I'm excited for Silver to usher in a new era by having the lakers and celtics win the lottery.
What time (approximately) is this happening? I'm on the road for the next hour or so
Quote from: SD on May 20, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
What time (approximately) is this happening? I'm on the road for the next hour or so
Probably like 8:10 when they'll get started with the real shtein.
Thanks bud
My prediction: 2 and 10
NO - Get #1 pick, protected from 76ers.
76ers - Get #5
This is Philly - you know it's going to happen.
if you are going to enter karma superstition or whatever into the equation then really this is the year they will get number 1....simply because the top of the draft is so deep and not getting 1 this year wouldnt be a big deal
its not a wall urkel or kane jvr year
It's gonna be rigged for Boston or LA.
But....
I say 2 and 9
@rich_hofmann: Packed house just erupted into boos when Doug Collins was shown on the screen.
They can't get #9.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2014, 07:44:20 PM
if you are going to enter karma superstition or whatever into the equation then really this is the year they will get number 1....simply because the top of the draft is so deep and not getting 1 this year wouldnt be a big deal
its not a wall urkel or kane jvr year
Maybe but 1/2 in this is still >>>>>5 even if 5 has a good chance to become a good player.
shtein I meant ten...oops
Yo why are the farging players there? That's dumb
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Hey ESPN can you funholebags milk this any more?
I farging hate tv
Kings owner daughter would get it
Phoenix is 14th
Wolves 13th
Magic 12th
Nuggets 11th
Sixers 10th
Hornets 9th
YES, got the 10
The farging Cavs creep up into the too three again!
Milwaukee, SIXERS and Cleveland in the top 3
All good so far
Including Kings and Bucks owner daughters
A commercial? farg you
Dr J wants to violate the Bucks girl
farg!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you farging kidding me with Cleveland winning again? farg this
How in the motherfarging farg!!!!
Lame
Here comes Jabari. igy's gonna snap like the Eagles just drafted another hipster
Rigged
Jabari is gonna be their pick at 3
it would be a lot worse if i didn't have full faith in hinkie magic to not take jabari
Jabari is gonna be the guy.
Parker and McDermott
I mean seriously?! Cleveland can suck my meatcicle. Piece of shtein city
there isn't a chance in the world he takes two guys who cant play a lick of defense
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2014, 08:30:55 PMI mean seriously?! Cleveland can suck my meatcicle. Piece of shtein city
17/1000 balls
One day Wiggy will take his talents to some other city and start winning championships
jabari and either one of the msu guys and i'm good.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2014, 08:29:50 PM
it would be a lot worse if i didn't have full faith in hinkie magic to not take jabari
I have more faith in the Cavs taking Jabari than I do Hinkie passing on him
I'm salty as farg about this. I hope Cleveland burns to a goddamn box of ashes.
Then again they're dumb as farg as evidenced by last years pick. Maybe they'll farg up again
I think Cleveland takes Jabari. Now if we can bribe Milwaukee to take Embiid....
Quote from: SD on May 20, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
I have more faith in the Cavs taking Jabari than I do Hinkie passing on him
yeah there's still a chance andrew is there at 3. a small chance but with cleveland who knows.
can always hope that cleveland who tried to win this year isn't trying to take a player with a busted back and who was a volleyball player a few years ago or one that is a few years away from developing....and that jabari's nba readiness causes him to be the pick...after all this is the same franchise who took anthony bennett
So maybe it was good the Pellies didn't win any more games down the stretch....
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 20, 2014, 08:35:48 PM
I think Cleveland takes Jabari. Now if we can bribe Milwaukee to take Embiid....
If the shteinbags in the mistake by the lake take Parker then Wiggy is a Sixer
I think Milwaukee wants Embiid
i was at the office and said farg very loudly like 500 times. oh well.
if you told me yesterday theyd get the 3 and the 10 id be OK. but now im just salty. i wanted the 1 and how the farg does cleveland get it? they are the last team to deserve it.
Haha same here. I wouldn't shut the farg up today about how I wanted 1-2.
If Parker and Wiggy go 1-2 then I'm nervous bc of Embiid's back and the unknown Exum
I'd probably take Randle over them both
Simmons reaction was spot on.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2014, 08:47:10 PM
Haha same here. I wouldn't shut the farg up today about how I wanted 1-2.
If Parker and Wiggy go 1-2 then I'm nervous bc of Embiid's back and the unknown Exum
I'd probably take Randle over them both
that would be complete insanity
the back will not be an issue....either its really bad and he drops out of the top 10 20 first round or its a stress fracture which is not anything to worry about
you also don't take randle over exum....they need franchise altering potential in their first pick
Chad Ford says Cleveland probably goes Parker and Milwaukee goes Embiid or Exum. YES PLEASE
Is Exum really franchise altering potential?
Quote from: MDS on May 20, 2014, 08:39:47 PM
i was at the office and said farg very loudly like 500 times. oh well.
in doctors waiting room and let out a farg. Mom has doc appt. Had to explain the pingpong balls to her. Swear I heard a "farg Cleveland" as she walked into exam room.
if they still wiggins then i take the farg's back
WIGGINS and DOUG McBUCKETS
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2014, 08:53:29 PM
Is Exum really franchise altering potential?
absolutely....he has to develop properly but so does wiggins or embiid...hes ten times the prospect that mcw was last year...and hes a guy that's always going to have the ball in his hands
you need superstars to win in the nba.....an undersized four who hustles for rebounds isnt that
Agreed on the superstar aspect
I just don't know about Exum
Brett coached him tho right?
Randle is this years boogie cousins. I don't know why everyone is so mad. They gon get a stud regardless.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 20, 2014, 09:02:23 PM
Randle is this years boogie cousins.
except for two inches 30 lbs and a monstrous wingspan you mean
randle is a 6-9 pf with alligator arms....hes a fine pick.....if they could get him at 10
Quote from: phattymatty on May 20, 2014, 09:02:23 PM
Randle is this years boogie cousins. I don't know why everyone is so mad. They gon get a stud regardless.
That's the comparison I made too
Big no on Randle. I'll default to Parker/Exum.
everyone has a different opinion on all of these guys
im sure the philly team will make the right call
CF's post lottery mock...
Andrew Wiggins
Cleveland Cavaliers (33 - 49)
COLLEGE: Kansas
HT: 6-8
WT: 200
POS: SG
The Cavs win the lottery for the third time in four years. That is pretty incredible. They hit a home run with Kyrie Irving and screwed it up with Anthony Bennett. There are no guarantees that Luol Deng is going to sign with them this summer and Parker brings high character and a versatile scoring threat. Joel Embiid is another guy to watch here. Anderson Varejao is 32 years old. They need a long-term replacement. But will Dan Gilbert have the patience to wait? I thought they'd to go safe and bring in Jabari Parker. However, sources in Cleveland say that Wiggins is the likely choice. The team feels he has the most long-term potential, helps them defensively right out of the gate, can replace Dion Waiters in the starting lineup while adding character to the team.
Joel Embiid
Milwaukee Bucks (15 - 67)
COLLEGE: Kansas
HT: 7-0
WT: 250
POS: C
The Bucks really liked Embiid before his back injury. But there are questions about whether they will actually be able to get him in for a physical before the draft. If they can, he is likely the No. 1 pick with Wiggins off the board. If they cannot, Parker or Dante Exum could move into this spot. Parker is the safe pick, but there are concerns that he plays the same position as Giannis Antetokounmpo. Exum could be their point guard of the future, as they would like to move Brandon Knight to the 2.
Jabari Parker
Philadelphia 76ers (19 - 63)
COLLEGE: Duke
HT: 6-8
WT: 241
POS: SF
Not an ideal set-up for the Sixers who were after Wiggins. But Parker gives the a terrific scoring option to pair with their young athletes in Michael Carter-Williams and Nerlens Noel. Parker could average 20 PPG as a rookie in Philly. Look for Dante Exum to be a real possibility here, too. They could end up shopping Carter-Williams or just pairing the two together in the backcourt.
Nik Stauskas
Philadelphia 76ers (19 - 63)
COLLEGE: Michigan
HT: 6-7
WT: 207
POS: SG
The Sixers addressed their frontcourt needs with their first pick, but they still need shooting. Stauskas is not only, arguably, the best shooter in the draft, but he has the ability to play both the one and the two, giving the Sixers a great 2 guard plus depth behind Carter-Williams.
please no white guys at 10. meant that in a totally non-racist way. :paranoid
Where does Nik fall on the Havas Name Scale?
not as ill as dario
I like him a lot.
I'm hoping Embiid falls because his agent won't let him get a physical with Milwaukee. I'd be very happy with Embiid/Nik.
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/10963370/2014-nba-draft-cleveland-cavaliers-joel-embiid-top-draft-board-no-1-pick-per-sources?ex_cid=SportsCenter
there is going to be a million different reports each week from now until the draft about who is leaning towards who.....none of it can be believed as most will be smoke screens and temperature drawing leaks
What's Thad's value theoretically either by himself or coupled with an early 2nd or the 10th pick?
I've read a few mock drafts and my question is how can anyone not have Wiggins going first?
That's just a no brainer to me.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 21, 2014, 11:07:53 AM
What's Thad's value theoretically either by himself or coupled with an early 2nd or the 10th pick?
he holds some value in a package that could maybe move them from 10 a couple spots to get someone they really like who maybe dropped a slot or two.....but i think his real value is in getting a future 1 from a contender
their first second round pick might actually be more valuable than thad....its a really deep draft and its at the top of the second...and teams love second round picks because you can lock players up for real cheap for an extended period of time
Quote from: Rome on May 21, 2014, 11:37:54 AM
I've read a few mock drafts and my question is how can anyone not have Wiggins going first?
That's just a no brainer to me.
-- All three being considered for #1 are projects that have significant positives and negatives, and Parker is considered the most "NBA-ready" of the three, so he's a good fit for a team that wants to win now instead of waiting 2-3 years like the Sixers
-- Cleveland has Waiters at SG and they have immediate needs at SF and C to replace Deng and Hawes (but if you think Wiggins can play SF, this doesn't rule them out)
-- Embiid could potentially be a top center in the league for the next decade IF he develops and IF his back is OK
it was neato watching the nba lottery, minus the whole "lottery" part.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 21, 2014, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 21, 2014, 11:07:53 AM
What's Thad's value theoretically either by himself or coupled with an early 2nd or the 10th pick?
he holds some value in a package that could maybe move them from 10 a couple spots to get someone they really like who maybe dropped a slot or two.....but i think his real value is in getting a future 1 from a contender
their first second round pick might actually be more valuable than thad....its a really deep draft and its at the top of the second...and teams love second round picks because you can lock players up for real cheap for an extended period of time
I'm saying what if you package Thad and #10 for 6 or 7 if Randle falls there. I'm not in on Randle at 3 but I'm all in for Randle + whoever they take at 3.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 21, 2014, 04:27:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 21, 2014, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 21, 2014, 11:07:53 AM
What's Thad's value theoretically either by himself or coupled with an early 2nd or the 10th pick?
he holds some value in a package that could maybe move them from 10 a couple spots to get someone they really like who maybe dropped a slot or two.....but i think his real value is in getting a future 1 from a contender
their first second round pick might actually be more valuable than thad....its a really deep draft and its at the top of the second...and teams love second round picks because you can lock players up for real cheap for an extended period of time
I'm saying what if you package Thad and #10 for 6 or 7 if Randle falls there. I'm not in on Randle at 3 but I'm all in for Randle + whoever they take at 3.
i dont think hes that valuable especially at 9 mil a year.....but like the cliche goes it only takes one team
i do think if the thunder flame out horribly which is where they are headed that the sixers could use thad to get a number 1 from them....they have 21 & 29...and i think maybe they panic and kinda try and get that third scorer they havent had since harden
I had the lakers in mind in that scenario. They're apparently really looking to move out of that slot but still are in win-now mode with Kobe and Thad doesn't seem redundant on that roster.
oh you are talking about thad straight up for 7....no chance....he doesnt have that kind of value
lakers are in a win now (they always are) but they arent interested thad young types.....they want superstars
i cant imagine them taking on that money when they are trying to get a love and/or lebron....thad isnt crazy money (and its a pretty friendly deal at only two years left) but its difference making money when it comes to the cap...also lets say they took randle this year....its very possible randle could be as good or better than thad and youd pay him less in the next three years than youd pay thad for this season
thad's a roleplayer/bench guy on a chip team...guys like that don't allow you to move up in the lottery.
i think you could move up a couple spots with thad....i think one could argue that his value is actually more than that....but in general i do think sixer fans overrate his value
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 22, 2014, 12:28:08 PM
i think you could move up a couple spots with thad....i think one could argue that his value is actually more than that....but in general i do think sixer fans overrate his value
I'm saying something like Thad and 10 for 7 and something like Lakers 2nd. Let's you move up to take Randle if he falls while giving the Lakers a win-now chip that's still young.
That's basically what I had in my head.
i mean i could be way off but i just dont see the lakers doing it....he doesnt hold any value for a team like that
the lakers arent doing shtein unless they get love and lebron and thads contract hurts those chances
i think to get the most value out of him you either need to find a team that is overly desperate for the playoffs and not very smart (sacramento) or a team that is desperate for and close to a championship (thunder)
my hope for thad is something like thad for perk and 21 or thad for a 2015 one
what id like to do is mcw to sacramento for 8....then take exum at 3 and youll have 8 & 10 to work with
That's an interesting idea. I'm not sure if I'd do that but I don't mind the idea if wiggins is gone at 3.
Heard Bilas on the radio a bit earlier and he seems to think Parker is the top guy and says he sees him stepping in and averaging 17-18 a night. I didn't hear which player he compared his skill set to but he said he thinks Randle will be good and compared him to Z-Bo
Most people and scouts seem to compare Parker to Carmelo.
Yeah I'm reading Simmons' column now and he made that comparison...
What do you think of this?
QuotePrediction No. 1: Utah tries like hell to trade up for Jabari Parker.
I'm almost positive that Jabari is the first Mormon who can be described like this: "A little bit of Paul Pierce and a little Carmelo offensively, only if they were more fun to play with, and they were trapped in Rudy Gay's body if Rudy needed to go gluten-free and hire a personal trainer." Hey, Sam Hinkie, you love collecting assets like Leo DiCaprio collects models. And you're not crazy about taking Jabari, anyway — what if Utah flipped you no. 5 for no. 3 and no. 23 and threw in Alec Burks plus a first-round pick-swap in any of the next three years? Would that do it? Any interest? Any?
farg it why not if andrew is not there at 3. still gonna get a great player at 5. i love adrien payne's game other than his tendency to throw up the 3s so much. not worth the 10 but late first, yes. 5, 10 and 23 would be nice. plus the 900 2nd rounders which they are obviously going to use in some kind of package at some point. maybe snag some of them 7 foot international dudes and hide them overseas for a bit.
only guy that i've seen in the top 5 that i want no piece of is marcus smart because he ugly.
I like Payne too.
If they landed Payne and Harris how many Nica ladies would you go celebrate with?
Quote from: phattymatty on May 22, 2014, 09:36:28 PM
farg it why not if andrew is not there at 3. still gonna get a great player at 5. i love adrien payne's game other than his tendency to throw up the 3s so much. not worth the 10 but late first, yes.
payne is a great shooter tho...thats his game....and stretch fours are so important in the nba now....shooters in general....this draft is filled with them too...they gotta come out of this draft with no less than three shooters....but yeah 10 is to early for payne as hes really going to be a role player albeit an important one
carmelo comparison is apt but i think parker is more paul pierce...not now obviously but coming out of school
I hate Paul Pierce so much that I hate when people are even compared to him.
Biggest farging Hoyda in NBA history
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ryen-russillos-nba-draft-confidential-real-scouts-on-wiggins-randle-embiid-and-parker/
what ive been saying about jabari forever...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2014, 09:01:37 PM
he seems like the kind of guy who will put the work in...so his conditioning wouldnt bother me right now....one thing that will dictate his career imo is his shooting...if he becomes a knock down shooter then he has paul pierce potential
what scout says...
QuoteA giant Paul Pierce. Don't completely trust his shot. I think he's really selfish, took some really tough contested shots, but probably because he looked at the [Duke] team around him and just said, "farg it."
He can score in different ways, rebounds, pass. I worry about him as a small forward. If he was an elite athlete you could get by with him being a below-average shooter. If he was an elite shooter you could get by with him being a below-average athlete. Unfortunately, he's below average in both. I'm a fan, but he can't be your best player.
The one somewhat surprising take I came away with is all three seem uniformed in believing Embiid's upside is higher than Wiggins'.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 23, 2014, 03:52:15 PM
The one somewhat surprising take I came away with is all three seem uniformed in believing Embiid's upside is higher than Wiggins'.
i dont have major beef with that opinion but imo upside for a sg/wing is more important than upside for a big....id rather have my superstar be the guy with the ball in his hand all the time
People at the LA workouts today said Embiid looked great and his back is 100%, and Parker lost weight and looks fit
I want Embiid or wiggins but I won't shed any tears if it ends up being Parker. I think the hidden negative with Parker might be he may make the team better next year than Wiggins would, when they might be best off sucking one more year before hoping Noel/MCW/whoever they draft start putting it together as a team.
sixers are three years minimum from being a legit team
legit as in a title contender? yes.
legit as in a playoff contender? the east is so bad they could easily take a lower spot next season.
no one cares about the playoffs...at least I dont
next year they are probably better off getting into the lotto, but in terms of bringing excitement to the city and the team it wouldnt hurt if they got in.
realistically it wouldnt matter, but i suppose a young growing team needs to take its beatings and Year 1 would a better place to start that than Year 2
you have no clue what it takes to build an nba team
hinkie magic is four years away.....and that's if everything goes right
i got no clue where you're going with this...im agreeing with you, essentially.
I tend to get a little out of control when it comes to this team
so do you want them to make the playoffs next year or do you want the 9/10 spot in the lotto? or does it not matter one iota.
is that a joke question?
they should not make the playoffs for minimum three years
thats not going to be possible
next year is a hinkie magic year where they get a the 1.....year after that strategy should be the same....but maybe there are finally better....8 or 9
this is a four year plan!!
drunky mcdrunkard
2017
hinkie will not survive until 2017 without a playoff berth
keep dreaming
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ryen-russillos-nba-draft-confidential-real-scouts-on-wiggins-randle-embiid-and-parker/
Quote from: SD on May 24, 2014, 04:34:29 AM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ryen-russillos-nba-draft-confidential-real-scouts-on-wiggins-randle-embiid-and-parker/
original
how drunk were all of you?
Quote from: Rome on May 24, 2014, 06:43:48 AM
how drunk were all of you?
pretty.....still am
id also like the lil guy to know that if they make the playoffs next year they don't have a first round pick.....I just realized now he didnt know this during the discussion
http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/05/nba_draft_2014_joel_embiids_back_an_issue_for_cavaliers_according_to_report.html
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2014, 10:37:08 AM
http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/05/nba_draft_2014_joel_embiids_back_an_issue_for_cavaliers_according_to_report.html
"according to hinkie magic"
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 24, 2014, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: Rome on May 24, 2014, 06:43:48 AM
how drunk were all of you?
pretty.....still am
id also like the lil guy to know that if they make the playoffs next year they don't have a first round pick.....I just realized now he didnt know this during the discussion
i did not know this. this changes everything.
Berry pomegranate Mio for you?
Yesterday's workouts in Cali:
Embiid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp7PX7hYUFQ)
Parker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSDl9JF5hvU)
Stauskas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXsnoYAYJHU)
Chad Ford:
QuoteJoel Embiid's measurements at the workout: 7' 1" in shoes, 7' 5.75" wingspan, 9' 5.5" standing reach.
QuoteJabari Parker's measurements at the workout: 6' 9" in shoes, 6' 11.75" wingspan, 8' 11.5" standing reach.
QuoteAndrew Wiggins' measurements at the workout: 6' 8.75" in shoes, 7' 0" wingspan, 8' 11" standing reach.
Embiid also added 15 pounds of muscle to get up to 265. The more positive press about him and Parker, the better the chances Wiggins falls to the Sixers
That's phrased like the Sixers would rather have Parker than Embiid. I'm not nearly as low on Parker as igy but he's still third on that list for me.
They don't need Embiid if they're going to build around Noel. Wiggins (#1 choice) or Parker is who I want
The first few workout rumors involving the Sixers are in. Chane Behanan will be in town on Saturday while Rodney Hood and Jarnell Stokes will be here Sunday
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 26, 2014, 12:09:44 PM
They don't need Embiid if they're going to build around Noel.
the sixers are not building around anyone much less an offensively inept anorexic power forward coming off a destroyed knee
they are looking to win in like five years...and if they think embiid is going to be the best player in this draft then thats who they will and should take...while hes not rated as highly coming out he has brow potential...nerlens goal in the nba is to one day be able to hit a 10 footer and develop even one move around the basket
chad ford on this weekends workouts.....
QuoteThe debate over the No. 1 pick in the 2014 NBA draft got even more complicated last weekend.
In something of a surprise move, all three of the top candidates for the No. 1 pick worked out in Southern California. Kansas' Joel Embiid and Duke's Jabari Parker worked out in Santa Monica in front of more than 100 NBA scouts and executives on Friday. On Sunday, Kansas' Andrew Wiggins worked out privately for me in Santa Barbara with trainer Drew Hanlen.
All three workouts were impressive, muddying the waters even further over whom the Cleveland Cavaliers should select with the first pick in the draft.
Workouts themselves are only a sliver of a much larger draft process. A player's performance on the court in real games obviously carries more weight. However, the workouts do matter. Teams look at what shape the players are in, how hard they go and whether they have worked on any of their deficiencies since the season ended.
They especially become important when teams are struggling to decide between players. They have, in the past, been the tiebreakers in close calls. In a draft that has three, maybe four, players worthy of the top pick, they are going to matter.
Here's what I learned in the workouts this weekend for all three players:
Consistency is key for Wiggins
Wiggins did not disappoint in the private workout I saw of him on Sunday. He's in the best shape of the three prospects right now and showed off terrific athleticism, and improved shooting and ballhandling mechanics in the 45-minute workout with Hanlen. (He's been working with Hanlen for just under a month, as well as with the folks at P3 in Santa Barbara.)
Hanlen has been working with Wiggins on correcting several weaknesses that have been holding back his game. They have tweaked Wiggins' jump shot, primarily by working with him on his follow-through, to get a more consistent jumper from both midrange and from behind the 3-point line. While Wiggins was a solid shooter this season for Kansas (34 percent from 3), everyone knows he needs to get better to open up the floor. That process already began in the second half of the season. Once Kansas began Big 12 play, Wiggins' 3-point shooting improved. While there's still more work to do, Wiggins showed off a more consistent jumper from everywhere on the floor in the workout I saw. He was particularly good from each corner, shooting 14-for-16 on 3s he took there.
Wiggins has also been working on his ballhandling. While Wiggins has a solid handle, he plays very upright which gives him an unusually high dribble that's easy to pick off. Hanlen and the folks at P3 have been working on his hip flexibility to get him playing lower to the ground. At his size (he measured 6-foot-8.75 in shoes, with a 7-foot wingspan and an 8-foot-11 standing reach at P3), he's going to have to get lower to the floor to be able to attack the basket the way he did for KU during the second half of the season. The training seems to be taking, as Wiggins was playing much less upright in the workouts here, improving his quickness and explosiveness on both ends of the court.
Finally, Hanlen has been doing a lot of game film breakdown with Wiggins, trying to add some NBA moves to his already elite athletic talent. Hanlen has been showing Wiggins video of Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady and Paul George and then taking several signature moves of each player and working with Wiggins on building those into his game. Wiggins looked especially lethal on a new step-back move he's been working on. He's so quick and so long, he gets incredible separation from his defender on the move. It will be close to impossible to guard if he can get it down.
"I normally never pull Jordan or Kobe video for players because, truthfully, they just can't do what Jordan or Kobe could do athletically," Hanlen said. "Wiggins is the first player I've trained who has that capability, athletically, to do some of the things those two have done. It's just a learning process for him now. He's gotten by on his athleticism his whole life. Now it's about really learning what makes players like that special from a skills standpoint and a mentality standpoint. He was hesitant at Kansas and as he improves his skills, I'm starting to see him develop confidence and a killer mentality that will be necessary at the next level. He's been like a sponge. The improvement over the past few weeks has been incredible. I think in a few more weeks he's going to blow people away in workouts."
Will Wiggins impress the Cavaliers enough for a No. 1 selection?
On the night of the draft lottery, a Cavs source told me that while Parker had been at the top of their board all year and that they are in love with Embiid's potential and long-term fit, he felt that at the end of the day Wiggins would be the Cavs' guy. Wiggins offers the Cavs both the upside of Embiid plus some of the NBA readiness of Parker. While Parker might be better offensively right now, Wiggins' defensive abilities are NBA-ready, and if the Cavs are going to make the jump to the playoffs next season, the improvement will primarily have to come on the defensive end.
"I think he has the most star potential of anyone in the draft," one veteran NBA scout told me on Friday, "and I think he goes and helps a team right away. He'll get on the floor for significant minutes right away because he can defend multiple positions. And when his offense catches up to his defense, I just don't see any way that this kid can fail. How do you pass on that if you are Cleveland? It's really the best of both worlds."
But not everyone agrees, and this is where things get confusing. There's a lot of misinformation floating around right now. Since putting up my mock draft, I've heard conflicting reports from sources outside the Cavs about Wiggins. One good source told me that the Cavs have already told Wiggins' camp he's the front-runner. However, another trusted source with close access to the Cavs' front office told me that he believes that Wiggins isn't even in the discussion in Cleveland -- that it's already been narrowed down to Embiid or Parker.
And if Wiggins doesn't go No. 1? I don't think he's in the top two on the Milwaukee Bucks' board right now, which means he would fall to the Philadelphia 76ers -- a team that has had Wiggins as its top target all season.
Embiid may have the ultimate say
No one was a bigger attraction than Embiid this weekend. Teams haven't seen him play since he injured his back late in his freshman season. Embiid's decision to skip the combine caused a fair amount of consternation among NBA teams. Without seeing him in the athletic testing, and without a full physical from NBA doctors, the paranoia over Embiid's health reached a fever pitch in Chicago last weekend.
Embiid went a long way toward easing those doubts and reasserting himself as a legit contender, maybe even the favorite, to be the top pick in the draft.
Embiid went through a roughly 30-minute workout alongside former NBA center Will Perdue. While it was clear that Embiid was still working himself into shape after nearly eight weeks of rest for his back (he got very winded about 15 minutes into the workout and started to struggle to finish his dunks and shots), he still looked quick and made the 10-foot basket look like a Nerf hoop.
He was dunking everything, showing off his quickness in the paint and his impressive shooting touch with a series of midrange shots and step-backs. While NBA teams won't draft him to shoot jumpers, there's very little question that he has NBA shooting range.
Embiid's measurements, taken by his agency, the Wasserman Group, helped, as well. Embiid measured 7-foot-1 in shoes, with a 7-foot-5.75 wingspan and a crazy 9-foot-5.5 standing reach. That makes him the biggest player in the draft, and furthers the appeal for teams looking for a legit center.
Embiid told me that he gained roughly 20 pounds the past two months, though he had lost five in the past three weeks since he began working out again. In his case, that's a good thing. Teams were worried that Embiid, at 250, was a little too light to play the post. The extra 15 pounds seems to have mostly gone to his butt and thighs, exactly were teams want it to go to help him create space and hold his position in the post.
Embiid also told me that his back was "100 percent" and that he was feeling no effects from his injury in March. That was confirmed by several sources who have been working with him in the gym the past few weeks.
"If anything, I think they were overcautious with him," one source said. "He could've played in the next round of the NCAA tournament had Kansas advanced. They were just making sure that the issue would completely go away. He's fine."
If that's true, then I think it will be very hard for the Cavs to pass on him. Players like Embiid don't come along very often and if he continues to impress, he has the chance to be the best center in the NBA someday. For a team that has a need at the 5 (Anderson Varejao is 32 and in the last year of his contract), he gives them both low-post offense and the rim protection that the Cavs have desperately lacked in the past.
However, there are still two major question marks that need to be answered.
First, will Embiid's agent, Arn Tellem, send him to Cleveland for a workout and allow the Cavs' doctors to give his back a full examination? The Cavs aren't going to just take Embiid's word on this. Their doctors will have to be comfortable with him. As of this weekend, Tellem was still in discussions with the Cavs on sending Embiid to Cleveland. Both sides expect to work out something that allows the Cavs to get to see Embiid.
Second, if Embiid is allowed to visit Cleveland and if the Cavs' doctors give him a clean bill of health, will new GM David Griffin and owner Dan Gilbert take him No. 1? A number of sources close to the Cavs confirm that they really like Embiid and in a vacuum, would likely take him No. 1. But the Cavs aren't in a vacuum. Gilbert has been adamant that he's tired of missing the playoffs and expects the team to make a playoff run this season. While Embiid may have the highest upside of any player in the draft, he also is the least NBA-ready of the three top prospects. Can Griffin afford to take, and will Gilbert sign off on taking, a player who is unlikely to make a major impact next season? Especially when the other two players on the board also have elite talent, and could make a more immediate impact?
Parker comes away with the most impressive workout
Parker reminded us all on Friday that he also is still in this mix to be the top pick. In fact, I thought Parker's workout was the most impressive of the three that I saw. Here's why: Parker is the most skilled of the top three players in the draft and he attacked that workout like it was a national championship game. Not only did he go harder than Wiggins or Embiid, he went harder than anyone else I've seen in a workout this year. It reminded me, a little, of the great workout Damian Lillard did in Oakland a few years ago. Aggressiveness and competitiveness show in things like this, and Parker passed those tests with flying colors.
And Parker did it without being in elite shape. About 20 or so minutes into the workout he got very winded and even, for a brief second, leaned on a garbage can close to where I was sitting. But he fought through the moment of fatigue and finished the workout strong with a series of impressive dunks alongside Jerami Grant.
A source in Parker's camp revealed to me on Friday that Parker had only been working out there in Santa Monica a few weeks. "He's in good shape now," the source said. "The reports that he was 20 pounds overweight weren't true. But I'm not going to say he was in great shape, either. Guys take some time off after the season to let their bodies rest. I think he's already back to as good of shape as he was at Duke, if not better. It's not a big deal. But I'm not worried about what shape he's in in May. It's how he looks when he goes into workouts in mid-June. Parker's been working his butt off here. He's going to be in great shape when he needs to be."
Parker's skilled game shined at the workout. His jump shot was falling from everywhere on the court, he showed great quickness with the ball and he had that step-back working as well as I've ever seen it. He's incredibly skilled for a player his age and size -- all of that will translate to the NBA right away.
We didn't get to see Parker play any defense -- the area that teams are most concerned about. However, his measurements also gave some teams hope that perhaps he could defend NBA 4s. He measured 6-foot-9 in shoes with a 6-foot-11.5 wingspan and an 8-foot-11.5 standing reach. Those numbers are on par with Julius Randle and Aaron Gordon -- both projected as NBA power forwards. While teams worry that Parker may not have the lateral quickness to guard NBA 3s, perhaps he's strong enough and big enough to guard 4s. Several GMs I spoke with over the weekend think it's a possibility.
"I think offensively he's an NBA 3 all the way," one GM said. "But we really rate position by who you can guard defensively and I think Jabari might have both the strength and size to guard most 4s in the league. If he can, I think it helps his stock tremendously."
Nevertheless, Parker's perceived lack of upside, along with his questionable defensive abilities, has raised questions in Cleveland and Milwaukee. It's conceivable that he could slide to the Sixers or Orlando Magic on draft night.
But there's also the chance he could wind up as the No. 1 overall pick. The Cavs, under GM Chris Grant, have had him at the top of their Big Board all season. Parker is the most NBA-ready of the group, and with the likelihood of Luol Deng leaving via free agency, he fills a need for Cleveland. If the Cavs are looking for an impact player with high character and competitiveness, Parker seems like the perfect fit.
In the end, the Cavs are going to have a very tough decision to make. All three players are worthy of the No. 1 pick in the draft. All three have distinct strengths and weaknesses.
And as for the Bucks and Sixers -- it seems there will be no losers on draft night. This is shaping up to be a terrific draft.
yeah can't say i'm disappointed with what i've been hearing about Parker. Still want Wiggins but I won't shed any tears if Parker is wearing a Sixers jersey next season.
i read some douchebags arguing about who the sixers should pick today, one guy said he didn't want embiid with noel there already....the guy comes back with, thats like passing on tim duncan because you already have someone like ben wallace on the team.
i was so angry that he didn't use david robinson in that perfect analogy that i turned my computer off.
you ok, pal?
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 26, 2014, 12:09:44 PM
They don't need Embiid if they're going to build around Noel.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 27, 2014, 10:01:39 PM
i read some douchebags arguing about who the sixers should pick today, one guy said he didn't want embiid with noel there already....the guy comes back with, thats like passing on tim duncan because you already have someone like ben wallace on the team.
You really don't think Embiid is gonna be the next Duncan, do you?
God, just take Wiggins and be thankful two other dipshtein franchises passed.
hes much more athletic than duncan but how do you read any of that and come away with someone having said that hes going to be as good as duncan
matty is using duncan as an example along with ben wallace as a way of saying thats its ludicrous to think you cant take embiid because you already have nerlens noel
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 28, 2014, 07:14:44 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 26, 2014, 12:09:44 PM
They don't need Embiid if they're going to build around Noel.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 27, 2014, 10:01:39 PM
i read some douchebags arguing about who the sixers should pick today, one guy said he didn't want embiid with noel there already
Keep on baiting. I'm not biting
lol
From Chad Ford's chat today:
QuoteWhat do you think the bucks top 4 on their draft board looks like?
This could obviously change with workouts and interviews but here's my best guess: 1a. Embiid 1b. Parker 3. Exum 4. Wiggins
How do you think the Sixers have the following players ranked in order of best to worst? Embiid Wiggins Parker Exum
1. Wiggins 2. Embiid then I think it's a scrum between Exum and Parker. The thing is, if the Cavs pass on Wiggins (which they very well may) I think he's there at No. 3. So they may just have to be patient.
Chad, I'm really enjoying the back and forth pieces between you and Kevin about the prospects (still miss Hollinger, but I'm a big fan of Kevin's SCHOENE system). In today's piece about Exum, you said the Sixers could draft him and you said "I think the more obvious fit comes if they trade Carter-Williams, an idea I'm told they have bounced around." Could you elaborate on what you've heard and the seriousness of it? Does that mean they don't think MCW is a future allstar?
Sam Hinkie is as asset collector. There are no untouchables on the second worst team in the NBA right now. Carter-Williams may have over performed a bit this rookie year given the situation he was in. If a team blew away the Sixers with an offer for him, yes I think they'd consider it. They like Exum and if they got another piece for Williams that made them better in the long-term, I think they could be willing to let him go.
What are the chances someone before Orlando takes Exum and if so who would be dropping down to them? As A Magic fan I'm excited about Exum but in odd twist also would be excited if any of the other top 3 drop to them.
I think there's a chance the Bucks could take Exum at 2. If they do, then I think it would be either Embiid or Parker that would fall to them there. They'd snap up both players in a heart beat. Also don't count out Marcus Smart in Orlando. They loved him last year, he's already gone into a workout there and there are some in the organization who believe he's better than Exum.
Who do the sixers like at 10?
Depends on what they do at 3. But I think it's safe to say that shooting is a big need and there are some excellent shooters like Doug McDermott, Nick Stauskas, Gary Harris and James Young in this range. They may also need a power forward. If the top guys drop, the pickings are a little slimmer though I think Dario Saric would be a steal here if he was still on the board.
Your thoughts on Dario Saric. How high does he go?
I think he's talented enough to be in the same conversation with Vonleh, Randle, Gordon and Smart. He's another killer on the court who almost singled handedly carried his team to an Adriatic League final. To do that at the age of 20 in Europe is really amazing. He may have the highest basketball IQ of anyone in the draft. He's very versatile, especially when he has the ball in his hands. But he's got to convince teams that he's coming now (something his father has been adamantly opposed to) to go in the Top 8. If he's staying in Europe the next few years then his range probably starts at the Sixers at 10 or the Magic at 12 (both teams with multiple lottery picks).
chad ford is an idiot when it comes to chats (yet i still watch them all live)...its ok when he says "i think"...but too often i guess hes trying to asnwer too fast and says things that he absolutely does not know the answer to but answers it like he does...for example no one on the planet has any clue how hinkie magic has those guys ranked...his only claim to fame so far as a gm is that he doesnt talk....but chad somehow knows
and then when theres zero chance of something happening he will always say there is (like the bucks taking exum at 2)...he does it to get message boarders and bloggers all fired up...dumb sixer fans will now read that and get all excited about having a choice from 2 of the 3 out of parker wiggins and embiid
then he says hinkie is an asset collector yet says what they do at 3 will dictate what they do at 10....an asset collector of a team with a D league roster is not going to pick by need...in fact i would almost guarantee that ford has said at one point recently that the sixers arent good enough to go with need
stick to watching workouts and film or interviewing scouts about the draft and leave the unfounded garbage at home CHAT ford
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 28, 2014, 02:45:59 PM
chad ford is an idiot when it comes to chats (yet i still watch them all live)...its ok when he says "i think"...but too often i guess hes trying to asnwer too fast and says things that he absolutely does not know the answer to but answers it like he does...for example no one on the planet has any clue how hinkie magic has those guys ranked...his only claim to fame so far as a gm is that he doesnt talk....but chad somehow knows
and then when theres zero chance of something happening he will always say there is (like the bucks taking exum at 2)...he does it to get message boarders and bloggers all fired up...dumb sixer fans will now read that and get all excited about having a choice from 2 of the 3 out of parker wiggins and embiid
then he says hinkie is an asset collector yet says what they do at 3 will dictate what they do at 10....an asset collector of a team with a D league roster is not going to pick by need...in fact i would almost guarantee that ford has said at one point recently that the sixers arent good enough to go with need
stick to watching workouts and film or interviewing scouts about the draft and leave the unfounded garbage at home CHAT ford
Solid post IGGY.
Kings are looking to move the 8th pick for a Veteran. Maybe Thad and 10 gets it done.
http://tracking.si.com/2014/05/22/kings-looking-to-trade-pick-youth-veteran-nba-draft/
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 28, 2014, 09:39:13 AM
hes much more athletic than duncan but how do you read any of that and come away with someone having said that hes going to be as good as duncan
matty is using duncan as an example along with ben wallace as a way of saying thats its ludicrous to think you cant take embiid because you already have nerlens noel
I understood Matty's point and yours too. And I agree with it. I'm saying if Wiggins is there at 3, you count your blessings and snag him with the quickness. If for some reason you end up with Embiid, it's not like you're going to run to the garage and turn the car on with the door closed. If he's healthy he's going to be an all-star and you could do worse. Noel might be a nice complementary piece on a playoff/championship team, but yeah, not taking Embiid because you have Noel there is lolol funny.
Quote from: SD on May 28, 2014, 05:56:12 PM
Kings are looking to move the 8th pick for a Veteran. Maybe Thad and 10 gets it done.
http://tracking.si.com/2014/05/22/kings-looking-to-trade-pick-youth-veteran-nba-draft/
I'm not sure I do that if I'm the Sixers unless I'm trying to max out tanking again next year. I'm for moving Thad, and have no problem with a deal with the Kings, but I'm not sure just getting to move up from 10 - 8 for Thad (unless someone they really want is there) makes much sense. It's not like the Sixers can't pay Thad's contract.
I know igy floated the idea previously of trading MCW to the Kings for #8 and drafting Exum at 3 while still getting to pick 8/10. I also am not sure I'm on board with that but it's interesting.
gotta go full tank next year....you cant make the playoffs or you lose your first rounder and if you are gonna shoot for the lottery you might as well go for the gusto...if the kids are better than expected then so be it....but free agency this summer should basically be non existent and thad gotta go
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 28, 2014, 07:05:23 PM
gotta go full tank next year....you cant make the playoffs or you lose your first rounder and if you are gonna shoot for the lottery you might as well go for the gusto...if the kids are better than expected then so be it....but free agency this summer should basically be non existent and thad gotta go
they cant really try to tank. they will be starting 4 young ones and add a few veteran pieces to make it look good. internally they would love to win some games, make it interesting and miss the playoffs. but you cant surround the 4 with another D league roster.
remember the 15 free agent class is strong and they will have max contracts to give out. im guessing thats part of hinkie's plan, to at least be active in that. but really lets see who they draft + how they do and go from there. this is an exciting time for 1 philly sports team....finally...embrace it.
Quote from: MDS on May 28, 2014, 07:11:34 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 28, 2014, 07:05:23 PM
gotta go full tank next year....you cant make the playoffs or you lose your first rounder and if you are gonna shoot for the lottery you might as well go for the gusto...if the kids are better than expected then so be it....but free agency this summer should basically be non existent and thad gotta go
but you cant surround the 4 with another D league roster.
you absolutely can and I think they will....I don't think hinkie magic will give away thad but ill be shocked if he isn't moved and replaced by a far worse player....that's how you tank next year
i dont see them doing it
they need to sell tickets and win games next year. sports is a business, homie.
thad is not selling a single ticket next year
the extra three wins they get from him will not make a difference
the interest next year will be based in hope....not the number of wins....the media guide will have the four youngINS on it not young
plus i cant think of anyone in the sport who cares less about attendance or the business than hinkie magic and I cant think of many owners who care less about his team than josh harris....its a really nice combo....at least right now
they could trade thad i couldnt care less
im just saying i dont see them running 4 youngins out there unprotected. logistically it makes the most sense...they need that pick next year...but the free pass tank from the public/media only lasts so long.
they have the built in excuse next year of not just losing the pick but that they have four legit young good players....that's all you will hear starting with the draft and then all next year....about this being the official start of the "process"
i think they could win less games next year and most people wouldn't give a damn
if they dont win even a little bit next year people wont be happy...theyll be calling wiggins/parket a bust.
youre being a romantic and wishing they outright tank. im trying to be a realist here, figuring hinkie will split the difference.
you are confusing sixer fans with eagle
and im not being romantic im being smart and practical which is exactly what hinkie magic is all about
Exum is visiting for a workout next week. Milwaukee is first this weekend, then Orlando after here....and he probably won't work out for anyone else
looks like foot surgery for randle after the draft...will be down for two months
this is the year to have two top ten and seven total picks...
QuoteIf there is one idea that rings true in virtually every draft it is this: Using the word "consensus" around the NBA draft is a bit of a joke.
Occasionally, a prospect emerges who is so clearly better than anyone else in the draft -- see Anthony Davis in 2012, Blake Griffin in 2009, LeBron James in 2003, Yao Ming in 2002, Tim Duncan in 1997, Shaquille O'Neal in 1992 -- but more often than not, choosing who to draft, even at the top, can be a conflict-ridden enterprise.
This year is no exception. We are two weeks away from the draft, and there are still major debates running internally within every front office in the league. If teams can't agree, internally, on the order of draft prospects, how can we create a "consensus" ranking?
As hard as it is for NBA draftniks to believe, there is very little agreement within teams, let alone between them, on draft night.
Last year's lack of consensus centered on the weaknesses of the draft. The Cleveland Cavaliers were deciding between six players a week before the draft, and they finally decided to take Anthony Bennett on the day of the event. There was a feeling that you couldn't go right no matter who you chose in last year's draft.
This year, the opposite is true. With so many elite prospects to choose from, it's a wealth of prospects that seems to be throwing execs and scouts for a loop.
"I'm not sure you can go wrong," one NBA exec whose team is selecting in the top 5 said. "Wiggins, Embiid and Parker. I think they're all going to have great careers. I don't see how any of them fail if they can stay healthy."
So, with no clear consensus, who do you choose to draft?
NBA teams watch prospects play thousands of hours of games. They go to practice. Go to camps. Hire guys from MIT to create statistical solutions. Work out players, give them psychological tests, do background checks and conduct personal interviews. And still, there is very little consensus.
Factor in the debate between taking the "best player available" versus "team needs" and the situation muddies itself further.
To make sense of all this, the past few years I've chronicled a draft ranking system employed by several teams called the tier system. In the tier system, teams group players, based on overall talent, into tiers. Then, the teams rank the players in each tier based on team need. This system allows teams to draft not only the best player available, but also the player who best fits a team's individual needs.
A more detailed explanation of how the tier system works can be found here.
So what do the tiers look like this year? After talking to several general managers and scouts whose teams employ this system, here is how things are shaping up. Note that players are listed alphabetically in each tier.
Tier 1
Joel Embiid
Jabari Parker
Andrew Wiggins
Last year, we didn't have any player in this category. This category is usually reserved for guys who are sure-fire All-Stars or "franchise" players. Since 2009, only Griffin, John Wall and Davis have been ranked in this slot. This year, there are three players in Tier 1 -- as many as there have been in the last five years combined. All of them received Tier 1 votes from every GM, exec and scout I surveyed. So if there is any consensus out there, it's that there are three really great prizes in this year's draft.
Tier 2
Dante Exum
Aaron Gordon
Julius Randle
Dario Saric
Marcus Smart
Noah Vonleh
Last year, Tier 2 also was empty for the first time since I've been doing this column. That should tell you something about how poorly regarded last year's class was. Tier 2 is reserved for players who are projected as potential All-Stars by scouts. They are typical high lottery picks in a normal draft. In 2012, Bradley Beal, Harrison Barnes, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist all got the nod as Tier 2 players. In 2011, Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams were in this tier. This year, six players are here, which is a high number (as is the case with having three players in Tier 1). Two of these players -- Exum and Vonleh -- even got a couple of votes for Tier 1.
This is where the strength of the draft really shines, in my opinion. This means that NBA GMs, scouts and execs believe that there could be as many as nine potential All-Stars in the draft class, with three of them being franchise players. You have to go back more than a decade -- to the 2003 draft, where eight players ended up making an All-Star team -- to get a draft that loaded. While none of the players on the list are LeBron James-type players, there is incredible value here.
Tier 3
Gary Harris
Doug McDermott
Nik Stauskas
In 2013, we put the top six players in the draft in Tier 3: Nerlens Noel, Anthony Bennett, Ben McLemore, Alex Len, Victor Oladipo and Otto Porter. That means that all nine guys listed in Tier 1 or Tier 2 would have been drafted ahead of the top six players in 2013.
This tier is usually reserved for players who are projected as NBA starters in their careers. This year, this tier is a little on the small side. While there were a number of votes for various players for this tier, these were the only three who had a consensus. None of the Tier 3 players were voted on for Tier 2 status, and none of them were voted for Tier 4; that makes things pretty clean. All three should be gone before the lottery is through, with McDermott, especially, looking like a lock for the Top 10.
Tier 4
Tyler Ennis
Rodney Hood
Zach LaVine
Jusuf Nurkic
Elfrid Payton
Adreian Payne
Kristaps Porzingis
James Young
Tier 4 typically includes late lottery picks to mid-first-round selections in a normal draft, or selections 10 through 20. These players project as either starters or top-tier rotation players.
Payton and Young got a small number of votes for Tier 3. Nurkic got a Tier 3 vote, as well. But the majority of teams had them ranked in Tier 4. Ennis and Payne were ranked as Tier 4 by every team I spoke with. LaVine, Hood, Nurkic and Porzingis had some Tier 5 votes, but the majority of their votes were in Tier 4.
Tier 5
Jordan Adams
Kyle Anderson
Clint Capela
Jordan Clarkson
Spencer Dinwiddie
Cleanthony Early
Jerami Grant
P.J. Hairston
Joe Harris
Artem Klimenko
K.J. McDaniels
Mitch McGary
Vasilije Micic
Shabazz Napier
Glenn Robinson III
Walter Tavares
Jarnell Stokes
T.J. Warren
C.J. Wilcox
Patric Young
This next group is a very large Tier 5, and it shows off the depth of the draft this year; the difference between the 20th pick in the draft and the 40th pick isn't particularly large.
There are a whopping 20 players in this group. At least 10 of these players won't hear their names called in the first round. This area of the draft is typically reserved for rotation players. These are players who are unlikely to start for good teams but could play a significant role coming off the bench for a team. A few teams had Anderson, Capela, Early, Hairston, Napier and Warren in Tier 4, but not quite enough for them to make the cut.
Tier 6
Thanasis Antetokounmpo
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Deonte Burton
Jahii Carson
Semaj Christon
DeAndre Daniels
C.J. Fair
Alessandro Gentile
Nick Johnson
Nikola Jokic
Rasmus Larsen
James Michael McAdoo
Jordan McRae
Johnny O'Bryant
Russ Smith
This tier has players who were listed as top-60 prospects by the majority of the teams I spoke with. Of the group, only Christon, Jokic and O'Bryant got some Tier 5 votes.
Like every draft system, the tier system isn't perfect. But the teams that run it have found success with it. It has allowed them to get help through the draft without overreaching. Compared to traditional top-30 lists or mock drafts, it seems like a much more precise tool of gauging which players a team should draft.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/sixers/Andrew-Wiggins-camp-prefers-Sixers-.html
Wiggins will be here Monday, Cleveland Wednesday and Milwaukee next Friday
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/sixers/?wss=/philly/sports/sixers&id=263091541
Conflicting reports on Embiid's physical in Cleveland
Smokescreen
Quite possible.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 21, 2014, 11:07:24 AM
there is going to be a million different reports each week from now until the draft about who is leaning towards who.....none of it can be believed as most will be smoke screens and temperature drawing leaks
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/06/media-shows-up-at-pcom-to-see-andrew-wiggins-gets-cops-called-on-them.html
all set
http://www.nba.com/2014/news/06/17/early-entry-candidates-withdraw-official-release/index.html
chad ford dropped his 25 best nba prospects since 2000
9. embiid
10. wiggy
12. jabari
Embiid may have broken his foot?
yea this probably fargs the Sixers. Knew it was too good to be true
actually helps the sixers in that theres no way they get jabari now...in fact milwaukee will probably take him
trust me this is an excellent turn of events
Cleveland takes Wiggins #1, so the Sixers are stuck with Exum. How's that excellent?
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 19, 2014, 11:42:26 AM
And Cleveland takes Wiggins #1, so the Sixers are stuck with Exum. How's that excellent?
huh?
they will have their pick now of embiid or wiggy
Cleveland is working out Exum, which doesn't seem to make much sense with their current guard situation, but hey, if they wanna swap and take him at #3, I'm cool with that
short of embiid having some sort of degenerative foot disease this works out perfectly for the sixers...id prefer wiggy obviously but embiid has just as much chance of being the best player in this draft and they are a clear 1-2...now the sixers get one of them
why would he drop unless it's a long term issue like Igy said. i don't understand that logic just as I don't understand why Randle would fall due to his foot injury. You don't pass on a guy because he's going to be hurt for a few months.
Like what happened with Noel
NN is not on the same planet as embiid as a prospect....a blown out knee on an OK prospect is different than a broken foot on a elite propsect
throw all that out tho...no one is saying he wont drop but if the sixers dont get either him or wiggins now they have no one to blame but themselves...before the injury it was out of their hands...now one of the two has fallen to them no matter what
didn't noel have a knee injury before that too or am I making that up
yeah the same knee he blew he hurt in high school...i dont recall what it was but i remember people saying it migth have caused his kentucky injury
dream scenario: 1/2 jabari exum....wiggy three....trade 10 and mcw to the magic for 4 and take embiid
Embiid is paper mâché
Pass
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 19, 2014, 12:17:07 PM
yeah the same knee he blew he hurt in high school...i dont recall what it was but i remember people saying it migth have caused his kentucky injury
yeah that is a way bigger cause for concern than a random foot break
i even wonder if its broke...wouldnt shock me if the agent is putting this out there so he can try and get him down to the celtics or lakers....im not saying he didnt hurt it...but i wonder really how serious it is...if at all
I read that it came from his exam in Cleveland and the Cavs' people sent the information to Embiid's people. the Cavs could be trying to get the Sixers or Magic to give up a big haul for the #1 so they can take Embiid at 3 or 4 anyway
I'm still hoping for Ford's last mock. Wiggins at 3 and Randle at 10 would be amazing (and I'm not someone super high on Randle but would love him at 10).
um, yes. i was fine with randle at 3 until a few months into the season.
Big man with back and feet problems? No.
Quote@AdamSchefter: Kansas' Joel Embiid has a stress fracture to navicular bone in his right foot; scheduled to have surgery tomorrow.
I'm all about Embiid at 3 if wiggins is gone.
I wonder if the Cavs aren't super high on Parker or wiggins though if they'd take Thad and 3 for 1.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 19, 2014, 05:35:58 PMI wonder if the Cavs aren't super high on Parker or wiggins though if they'd take Thad and 3 for 1.
im all on this...throw in one of the 5000 2's or even a conditional 1 if need be. gotta get wiggy any which way you can.
what I'm reading about Embiid's foot doesn't seem ideal, but the Sixers are going to be awful next year anyway. The whole point of this season was to try to get a superstar. Unless you REALLY believe Exum is going to be that good, I don't see how, if you stay at 3, you don't take Embiid and cross your fingers.
embiid would also guarantee them a lotto pick next year, so theyd keep the pick
if you take wiggy theres a chance the sixers could do well enough to get the 7 or 8, which would be a disaster.
embiid, wiggins or parker are not getting them to the playoffs next year. doesn't matter kids. una mas ano.
normally i'd say thad doesn't have the value to move from 3 to 1 but when you have 3 like this year maybe it's a possibility.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 19, 2014, 08:01:16 PM
embiid, wiggins or parker are not getting them to the playoffs next year. doesn't matter kids. una mas ano.
normally i'd say thad doesn't have the value to move from 3 to 1 but when you have 3 like this year maybe it's a possibility.
especially for a team like the cavs in supposed win-now mode who are rumored to not be THAT high on parker or wiggins
Quote@PatGallen_975: Yahoo, Woj: " Phila. has had discussions with teams about gathering an additional pick between its two current choices at No. 3 and No. 10."
I'm Deke in the geico commercial swatting Embiid pictures and saying "no no no hahaha"
Quote@EliotShorrParks: Ilgauskas played in 29 games over the 3 seasons after injury. Yao in 82 of a possible 246 games. ESPN said "no worse" injury for a big man
I pass on Embiid. You gotta get something out of tanking this season, unless he gets a 100% bill of health they need to move on. I was adamantly against trading #10 and #3 for Wiggins but if that's what you gotta do than go for it. Cleveland knows they'll still be able to get him at #3 assuming they still want him. They're not falling out of the top 3 and Mil isn't making a trade to move up one spot so we're really their only trade partner.
No to 3/10.
Max I go is 3/Thad/future protected first.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 19, 2014, 10:45:38 PM
No to 3/10.
Max I go is 3/Thad/future protected first.
3/10 is insane....protected 1st is a worthy gamble. you gotta figure by the time it vests the sixers will be good and it will be a 20something pick.
Before the tourney I was 100% on board with Embid if he was available at 3. After his back, I was cautiously optimistic and would have been ok with him at 3 assuming Wiggins was gone. Now you've got a 7 footer with back and foot injuries? No thanks. His size and skillset is tempting, but backand foot injuries cripple big men far worse than they do anyone else. I'd pass on him unless he falls to 10.
Either move up to 1 to get Wiggins with a 3/Thad/future 1 proposal or even trade down a couple spots.
Good point made on the radio earlier...Hinkie was in Houston when Yao was dealing with the same issue. So he knows how bad it can be for a big man with foot problems.
Wiggins and/or Parker aren't dropping to 3...so they're either getting an injured ass Embiid or Exum. They're not taking Thad and a bunch if seconds.
do the cavs or bucks need/want exum where a trade for #3 & futre 1st/#10 would make sense ? im not sure thad plus anything makes anyone give up #1 or #2.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2014/06/19/10-reasons-why-lebron-james-will-sign-with-the-76ers/
This will never happen, but that doesn't mean we can't dream, right?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 20, 2014, 11:35:56 AM
Good point made on the radio earlier...Hinkie was in Houston when Yao was dealing with the same issue. So he knows how bad it can be for a g man with foot problems.
really thats an incredibly shallow point.....yao was 7'6 310 joe-el is 7'0 240.....yao was a guiness book of world records kind of human who always has health problems....and hinkie magic knows this even if online basketball people dont
stop with the madness of the internet....if you don't want embiid then fine that's a valid take...but for christ sake if one more person brings up yao ming im gonna flip out
yao ming yao ming yao ming !!
(http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2011/07/08/127239-yao-ming-of-china-celebrates-after-scoring-against-puerto-rico-during-.jpg)
If Embiid falls to 10 you take him and you pray especially if they manage to get something else between 3 & 10.
there is <1% chance embiid gets to 10
I mean, seriously though. Yao Ming.
Embiid injury really farged the Sixers. 4-6 month recovery? No thanks. Big men with back and foot problems isn't a good recipe. You have two choices here, you trade up for your guy (Wiggins), or you wind up with either Exum or Parker. Personally I would be fine with either Parker/Exum. Exum would be my guy at 3 if he's there. But Wiggins is the prize, if you have to give a little more to get him you do it.
I don't understand why the 4-6 month matters. It's all about if you think he will be 100% after that. If you and your doctors think he's damaged goods, fine. The timeframe though is irrelevant to me. The team isn't competing next year anyway.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 21, 2014, 11:10:06 AM
I don't understand why the 4-6 month matters. It's all about if you think he will be 100% after that. If you and your doctors think he's damaged goods, fine. The timeframe though is irrelevant to me. The team isn't competing next year anyway.
Longer recovery = more unknown. If it was a 6-8 week recovery we know it's nothing serious. 4-6 month is one of those long healing processes that he might never recover from. Noel was fine because torn ACL's are common and recovery rate for athletes is extraordinary. This foot injury is a nightmare to predict his recovery because of his size and other factors. I'm no podiatrist but I know 4-6 months of recovery for a broken bone in the arch of your foot for a guy that's 7 foot is not good.
i think you're a podiatrist buddy.
Yao Ming
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 21, 2014, 11:10:06 AM
I don't understand why the 4-6 month matters. It's all about if you think he will be 100% after that. If you and your doctors think he's damaged goods, fine. The timeframe though is irrelevant to me. The team isn't competing next year anyway.
listen to this man
I'm pretty sure that SD isn't saying he's worried about his recovery time because of what it would do to the upcoming season or anything, but that it's indicative of a pretty serious injury to a big man. No one gives a farg about 2014-15, but who is going to claim that Embid is going to be 100% ready for 2015-16? And that he'll stay healthy and won't break down? This very well could be Andrew Bynum all over again but less douchey.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 22, 2014, 08:25:43 AM
I'm pretty sure that SD isn't saying he's worried about his recovery time because of what it would do to the upcoming season or anything, but that it's indicative of a pretty serious injury to a big man. No one gives a farg about 2014-15, but who is going to claim that Embid is going to be 100% ready for 2015-16? And that he'll stay healthy and won't break down? This very well could be Andrew Bynum all over again but less douchey.
listen to this man
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 22, 2014, 08:25:43 AM
I'm pretty sure that SD isn't saying he's worried about his recovery time because of what it would do to the upcoming season or anything, but that it's indicative of a pretty serious injury to a big man. No one gives a farg about 2014-15, but who is going to claim that Embid is going to be 100% ready for 2015-16? And that he'll stay healthy and won't break down? This very well could be Andrew Bynum all over again but less douchey.
bynum is almost 300 lbs...you also cant mention his dripping vagina as almost an afterthought that's a HUGE part of him.....if youre gonna make comparisons then do it right
embiid is smaller than hakeem
Yeah I'm not talking about next year either. If he shows a propensity to break down then what happens when he's cooked in two or three years?
You have to hit on this pick. Taking a guy who is breaking down isn't smart.
Speaking of smart...
Quote@EliotShorrParks: I would not be surprised at all if by the end of their workouts today, the #Sixers had Smart ahead of Exum on their big board
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2014, 10:52:21 AM
Quote@EliotShorrParks: I would not be surprised at all if by the end of their workouts today, the #Sixers had Smart ahead of Exum on their big board
i have no idea who that guy is but it would be best if you stopped following him
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2014, 10:52:21 AM
Yeah I'm not talking about next year either. If he shows a propensity to break down then what happens when he's cooked in two or three years?
You have to hit on this pick. Taking a guy who is breaking down isn't smart.
Speaking of smart...
Quote@EliotShorrParks: I would not be surprised at all if by the end of their workouts today, the #Sixers had Smart ahead of Exum on their big board
Hitting this pick cuts against that argument, to me at least.
What are you trying to get? I have no interest in someone being targeted at 3 who might be a solid starter (I.e. Smart). The entire point of this season was to hopefully come away with a franchise player in the draft. I'll roll the dice on someone who could help take the franchise to elite levels than to take someone I feel confident will help restore them to mediocrity.
When I say hit on this pick I mean hit on that franchise player. They need the superstar.
Taking a guy who could be done before his career ever gets a chance to take off is way too high risk I think.
If he bombs then what?
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/sixers/?wss=/philly/sports/sixers&id=264069901
id rather embiid bomb than watch ten years of an average marcus smart
Or how bout you go for the gusto and move up for Wiggins.
I'd rather get Wiggy and be done with it.
Trade up to the one spot or hope a duo of Embiid/Exum/Parker is taken ahead of them.
Quote from: SD on June 22, 2014, 12:31:35 PM
Or how bout you go for the gusto and move up for Wiggins.
thousand percent IN
Me too. Trade up and be done. Give up Thad and the 3rd and some two's.
Wiggy at 1
Shooter at 10
Not sure I like the idea of dealing MCW
they aren't moving up if 10 isn't included
Ok I'm fine with that bc they have to hit on Wiggy or Parker.
And if Exum is on board at 7 do you do that deal in the article? MCW and Thad for Nash's expiring deal and 7?
i agree you gotta get your superstar...im just saying the stakes are much higher now to move up
i would trade mcw for a bag of onions....I think hes mad overrated....but theres no way exum is there at 7
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2014, 12:29:49 PM
id rather embiid bomb than watch ten years of an average marcus smart
Exactly. Smarts ceiling is a third of Embiids. I assumed last season wasn't done to become the hawks.
you cant let embiid go by you.....you just cant
nba is an all in or all out league....and you have to be all in on a potential game changer
that said I would not be mad with exum at 3....on the flip side if they get marcus smart at 3 i will literally commit suicide
this is really sad..
http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/062214aaa.html
They won't take Smart at 3
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2014, 10:52:21 AM
Speaking of smart...
Quote@EliotShorrParks: I would not be surprised at all if by the end of their workouts today, the #Sixers had Smart ahead of Exum on their big board
I don't believe that. Just passing it along
im being serious....who is that cat?
nm
The guy who wrote the Jaccson gang story
I'm a bigger fan of MCW than igy but I'd be fine with Embiid at 3, Vonleh/Randle/Gordon at 7 if they can trade MCW to get that, one of the PGs at 10.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article595329.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2014, 01:26:09 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article595329.html
OUT
for what its worth.....just saw on twitter cooney saying the sixers are all on joe-el at three
Cooney was on one of the sports talk radio shows yesterday...he was all over the place with his speculations
hinkie is a class A douchebag....dont trust a word he says
essentially nobody has a clue what theyre gonna do. strap in and pray for wiggy
Quote from: SD on June 22, 2014, 02:58:24 PM
Cooney was on one of the sports talk radio shows yesterday...he was all over the place with his speculations
yeah everyone is...no one knows what hinkie magic is gonna do.....hence the fwiw
The ESPN guys think Jabari half-assed his workout in Cleveland because he wants to go to Milwaukee instead, but the Cavs might be taking him anyway
Also Embiid's agent Tellem is giving medical reports to only certain teams so others (Milwaukee) don't take him
A couple of new articles about Exum
Red Bull (http://www.redbull.com/us/en/stories/1331657622040/dante-exum-australian-basketball-player-2014-nba-draft)
Quote...the "Man of Mystery" narrative prompts merely a tired eye roll, ....
...then Jeff Goodman goes and calls his article: (http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11123348/nba-draft-2014-dante-exum-international-man-mystery)
saric signed a euro deal yesterday and wont be in the nba for at least two years
@EliotShorrParks: Chad Ford on the B.S. Report says some teams are concerned about Embiid's "bone density & blood work issues", in addition to foot/back
just am embarrassing and irresponsible tweet from whoever that dope is....its not at all what ford said....he said the diets are different in africa so people who grow up there might have a different physical makeup but its nothing that wouldnt be fixed with an americanized training regiment...it wasnt like he was saying people thought embiid has "blood issues" like he has a disease or something....twitter is out of control
anyway the teams that are "concerened" about it are the celtics who are hoping to god he drops to them at 6
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2014, 07:40:31 AM
saric signed a euro deal yesterday and wont be in the nba for at least two years
this is AMAZING....can you imagine in a few years the whole spectrum doing the saric
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnR-I2T5zD0#t=146
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2014, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2014, 07:40:31 AM
saric signed a euro deal yesterday and wont be in the nba for at least two years
this is AMAZING....can you imagine in a few years the whole spectrum doing the saric
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnR-I2T5zD0#t=146
I tried to find that the other day on youtube to post here but forgot where I saw it. That video is amazing.
-- Dei says the Sixers are one of the teams that got Embiid's medicals
-- Andy Katz says the Sixers, Celtics or Suns will likely end up with Sacramento's #8 pick
its been common knowledge for a few weeks that its very possible that the sixers could get the lakers or kings pick....lol at andy katz...stick to college son
QuoteExum's Australian Institute of Sport coach, Paul Goriss, believes the Philadelphia 76ers will use the third overall pick on the point guard.
QuoteDante Exum
Scout 1: I'm not putting my nuts on the line for this guy. I'm not drafting the next Tskitishvili. Now, the guys that saw him in Prague, if they've seen enough, then fine, but I can't do it. There is no frame of reference. He's going top five or six. But if you think it's a lock to Orlando, they like [Marcus] Smart too.
You can look like a hero or get fired taking this kid, that's who he is. There are a lot of sexy things there. I've seen him practice, mostly against other Euros. I've seen Wiggins 15 times.
It's very hard for me. I didn't go to Prague. I'm a Hoop Summit guy. It's basically drafting a high school kid out of Australia. Not debating his athleticism. He's a hard worker, smart. His dad played, so that helps with the transition if you are worried about that. It reminds me of Nikoloz Tskitishvili [drafted no. 5 in 2002] a little, but obviously not the same player.
Here's how that went down:
We had a good relationship with [Mike] D'Antoni, Tskitishvili's coach at Benetton. At the time, we weren't in on him. Teams were coming in to watch him practice, and I mean just limited practices. The vets on the team didn't even take the court. So scouts would watch him go one-on-zero, and D'Antoni couldn't believe how excited teams were. Mike was like, I'm not even playing the guy and teams are talking lottery. Now, Mike talked him up and helped the kid out, but this is what scares me about Exum.
Scout 2: He's riding the wave, like Dion Waiters. Same agent. It's all mystery and intrigue. He did enough at the Hoop Summit to be in the conversation. Everyone else, we have seen the film, we know the positives and the negatives. Embiid, injuries; Parker, body; Wiggins, shot. [The process] exposes the flaws. It's all positives for Exum. We haven't seen much, so we all think he's great. With the other guys, we built them up pre-draft, then spent months picking them apart. Exum avoided all of this.
I think he's a high-turnover guy, and he can't shoot. We talk about Wiggins's shot ... well, it's better than Exum's.
Here's the deal: At the time, when Russell Westbrook wasn't thought to be a PG, Oklahoma City was ahead of the curve. That's what Orlando was thinking with [Victor] Oladipo. Same thing. Re-create that model. Exum is the closest thing to this.
Where our league is going now, no one is a true PG anymore. You are either really good with the ball, as a shooter — Curry, Lillard, or Kyrie — or no one can stay in front of you — Westbrook, Wall, and Rose. There aren't any Chris Pauls anymore.
He's not a top-three pick, but talentwise, he's ahead of Parker. Watching him five minutes, it doesn't take long for him to stand out in the group. I saw him at the Adidas camp, versus the Harrison twins; he was better than them.
Smart is a better shooter than Exum. They hid Exum in workouts, and part of it is to keep the mystery. The other part is, I think they want him to fall to the Lakers. Not going to happen.
Scout 3: I have no comparisons for him. None.
Unless you are some super-scout that saw him on some JV vocational team in Australia, you have only seen him live twice in like 14 months. The workouts give you nothing; we already know he's big and an athlete. It's a risk, but last time we saw him at the under-19 he dominated.
It's all upside, but he's never played against men. He has all the physical skills, great feel for the game, so that is where you start when you think about position in the NBA. We project PG will be his primary position.
To think he's the third pick in the draft, and hasn't played in 12 months ... man, that is impressive.
Supposedly the Cavs front office wants Parker but Gilbert wants Wiggins because he doesn't trust his guys after the Bennett disaster. Goddamn, stop giving this shtein franchise #1 picks
lol he doesn't trust his guys but they still collect paychecks from him. get new guys dude.
Quote1. Who should the Cleveland Cavaliers select with the No. 1 pick?
Jay Bilas: Joel Embiid is still the best overall prospect. Unless the Cavs medical team red flags him, I still believe you draft the best prospect here. Embiid is special, and every time you see him, he has added something new. He just oozes potential, and images of a young Olajuwon (emphasis on young, as in freshman Olajuwon... back when he was Hakeem) are not unfair. The foot injury is the same thing that cost Michael Jordan his second season in Chicago. From the doctors I have spoken to, it should not be a career threatening thing.
To me, if you draft Embiid at 3 or 4, why pass on him at No. 1, unless you believe that Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins is a sure thing? If Embiid is out -- whether out of caution, fear or a medical team red flag -- I go with Andrew Wiggins here. He fits the suit. Wiggins is a superior athlete, defender and transition player. I think he will be very good, but I do have slight concerns over whether he has the attitude to be dominant in the NBA. He has the tools to be great if his mental makeup will allow it.
Chad Ford: I think they should select Andrew Wiggins. If Joel Embiid was healthy, I think he's the pick. But a stress fracture in the back and foot in the last six months along with other ailments give me major pause. Yes, he might recover from all of this. But it's going to be a long process. He may miss his entire first year. While his doctors say 4 to 6 months, most NBA doctors that I spoke with said 9 to 12 is more likely before he's back playing 5-on-5. Then he has to shake off the rust. Then he has to fight his way into a rotation filled with players trying to make the playoffs. It's not the right environment for him or the Cavs.
So I'll take Wiggins. He has similar upside to Embiid, is healthy, is a freak athlete and has great size for his position. His flaws are fixable. His shot could use some touching up. He needs to play lower and improve his handle. But I think we've overhyped Wiggins and then unfairly picked him apart. He can be special and I think he will be. And as far as fits go, the Cavs need a defensive presence at the wing. Not another scorer. To me Wiggins is the clear choice.
2. Who should the Milwaukee Bucks select with the No. 2 pick?
Chad Ford: I know the Bucks like Jabari Parker a lot, and I get it. It will be a good pick for them. He would give them scoring and an alpha dog on a team that lacks direction. But personally? I think they should roll the dice on Dante Exum. I think next to Wiggins and Embiid, he's the guy who has the chance to truly be special. What Giannis Antetokounmpo needs next to him is a dynamic point guard. Brandon Knight isn't that guy. Parker's ability to get to the basket is special. He has elite size for his position and I love his personality and character. He appears to have the leadership qualities you look for in a point guard. His shot will get better and his game will mature, and in three to four years Exum and Antetokounmpo could be the East's version of Westbrook and Durant.
Jay Bilas: If Embiid is still on the board, you take Embiid for the reasons I've stated. If you don't have or go with Embiid, Parker is the obvious choice here. He is the most NBA ready as an offensive player, and has an NBA build. He is not yet in great condition, nor is he a good defender, but he can improve in both of those areas. Parker is the best available player here.
3. Who should the Philadelphia 76ers select with the No. 3 pick?
Jay Bilas: Embiid or Noah Vonleh. He has size, crazy length, huge hands, he can shoot the ball facing up, and he has good footwork in the post. He is continuing to get better, and he is one of the top three rebounders in this Draft. I rate Vonleh as the second best big man prospect in the Draft, behind Embiid.
Chad Ford: Parker. It may sound like I'm down on Jabari. I'm not. I think he's going to be an All-Star in the NBA and I think his perfect fit is Philly. The Sixers are loaded with athletes who can run the floor and defend. Nerlens Noel, Michael Carter-Williams and Thaddeus Young are all cut out of that cloth. Why not put an alpha dog scorer next to them who can save them when they bog down in the half-court offense. Pair those four with a shooter like Nik Stauskas at pick 10 and I think the Sixers have a very exciting team next year.
Quote from: SunMo on June 25, 2014, 11:37:18 AM
lol he doesn't trust his guys but they still collect paychecks from him. get new guys dude.
funny thing is these are his new guys...he fired his gm mid season
oh right, i forgot about that. what a disaster that franchise is.
yes and also "i don't trust my guys" is definitely not something he ever said to anyone.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/coloring-inside-the-lines-the-thrill-and-dread-of-drafting-dante-exum/
if i have to read another non-take take on dante exum i am going to murder someone
none of these guys have any idea if hes going to be good. its all bs. just stop it.
well you didnt read that one because the article was about how theres nothing to go on with him and filled with guessing it would be to take him
you also didnt read the scouts takes on him because all of said they wouldnt touch him due to not knowing enough about him
the good thing is the sixers know more about him than the rest of the league combined
http://www.nba.com/sixers/76-draft-party-locations
Scouts don't know anything about a top 5 pick.
Get new scouts.
Quote from: Rome on June 25, 2014, 02:48:05 PM
Scouts don't know anything about a top 5 pick.
Get new scouts.
hes an austrailian high schooler who hasnt played in a year
cavs trying to bring in exum at the last second.
i would not complain about him going first.
cant they just take the thad and the 3 trade and be done with it
Exum won't go #1. The only way he goes to Cleveland is if there's a trade down with Philly, Orlando or Utah
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 25, 2014, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: Rome on June 25, 2014, 02:48:05 PM
Scouts don't know anything about a top 5 pick.
Get new scouts.
hes an austrailian high schooler who hasnt played in a year
I know you revel in a state of willful and blissful ignorance but professional talent evaluators simply can't say, 'well, I don't know shtein about this guy, so farg him.'
I mean, they can and they probably would if they worked for the Sixers for the last 30 years, but still...
lol the hinkie douchebag meter is at 11....hes not even talking to the media on thursday because even 1 SECOND of time away from the war room is too much.
angelo the god hammered patsy scott o neil, who took it like a champ and carried his water.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/audio/angelo-cataldi-and-the-morning-team/
this guy better be right--or else--because hes already at amaro smug levels, and at least roob won something (albeit he inherited a ton of talent but still)
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 02:50:15 AM
lol the hinkie douchebag meter is at 11....hes not even talking to the media on thursday because even 1 SECOND of time away from the war room is too much.
angelo the god hammered patsy scott o neil, who took it like a champ and carried his water.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/audio/angelo-cataldi-and-the-morning-team/
this guy better be right--or else--because hes already at amaro smug levels, and at least roob won something (albeit he inherited a ton of talent but still)
welcome to three days ago
Quote from: Rome on June 25, 2014, 05:30:19 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 25, 2014, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: Rome on June 25, 2014, 02:48:05 PM
Scouts don't know anything about a top 5 pick.
Get new scouts.
hes an austrailian high schooler who hasnt played in a year
I know you revel in a state of willful and blissful ignorance but professional talent evaluators simply can't say, 'well, I don't know shtein about this guy, so farg him.'
not only can they but many of them are.....luckily the sixers were provided with a gaggle of his high school games so they are way ahead of the curve....but many people have only ever seen him play 2-5 times...he hasnt played a game since last july and before that he wasnt fully known
I can see the bottom 15-20 teams ignoring him because he won't be there when they draft but they have to do their due diligence on every player.
teams arent ignoring him there simply isnt that many games out there from which to form an opinion....bret brown coached in austrailia for many years so he had connects to get tape of him in high school...but other than that there is only a handful of international games that he has ever played that people can get tape of...and the most recent one was a year ago
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 02:50:15 AM
lol the hinkie douchebag meter is at 11....hes not even talking to the media on thursday because even 1 SECOND of time away from the war room is too much.
angelo the god hammered patsy scott o neil, who took it like a champ and carried his water.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/audio/angelo-cataldi-and-the-morning-team/
this guy better be right--or else--because hes already at amaro smug levels, and at least roob won something (albeit he inherited a ton of talent but still)
I like watching the media whine about him not talking. Your boy THE CHIEF was bitching and moaning and his kid ripped him on twitter. Eskin tried the "the fans want it" line and his kid and a lot of people responded that the fans don't care if he doesn't talk.
fans are generally morons especially younger ones so i wouldnt go by them
joshua harris is a shady POS and hinkie is completely wrong in this scenario...theres no arguing that....i just dont have time to rail about it until after this damn draft which could be the greatest sporting event ever
You gonna make it through the day?
i dont know....my stomach is just crazy right now....woke up this morning and couldnt believe it was finally here
but forget the sixers how awesome is the whole draft gonna be....it was going to be crazy anyway...with the amount of teams willing to trade to get better right now...and with how deep and good it is and not knowing who is going where...
but now with embiids injury and lebron and melo's free agency the maneuvering is going to be off the charts and with all his assets hinkie magic should be leading the pack
Chad Ford @chadfordinsider 36m
Sources: Cavs were calling around offering teams Orlando's picks at 4 & 12 for players last night. Interesting
Chad Ford @chadfordinsider 21m
Magic would take Jabari at 1 I'm told. But deal isn't done. Cavs were just gauging value of 4th & 12th pick. Sixers also upping offer for 1
i'm so happy for igy right now. i've never seen him like this.
thanks pal...i know you mean it too
I am surprised that you didn't take the day off.
how would i be on the internet all day at work then?
Internet from home all day?
im not using my hard earned leave to be on the internet all day
QuoteJakeLFischer
There seems to be a growing consensus around the league that the Orlando Magic will be drafting No. 1 tonight when all is said and done.
chad ford just said on sportscenter that the sixers are upping their offer for #1....hinkie magic wants wiggy BAD
QuoteWojYahooNBA
Cleveland and Orlando nowhere on a possible deal for the No. 1 pick, team sources tell Yahoo Sports. "Total bullshtein," one executive says.
the libertys...mellon and cira will all be in sixer colors tonight
HOLLA!
do the sixers still have that iranian dude?
yes....but i think they have to make a decision on him this summer....i would think with seven picks even tho they wont use all of them that he is finished before he started as a sixer
afflalo to denver probably takes them out of the running for 1....if 1 is even available
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 10:13:43 AM
im not using my hard earned leave to be on the internet all day
lol
QuoteWojYahooNBA
Joel Embiid's seriously in play for three spots in top part of lottery: 76ers (3), Celtics (6), Lakers (7), league sources tell Yahoo.
Yes on Embiid if they stay at 3
no on andrew bynum part II
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 12:49:46 PM
no on andrew bynum part II
or michael jordan II
see i can also make ignorant comparisons
lets hope billy beane: basketball version makes the right call
not that hell give a shtein if he does....but im sure its THE BIGGEST DAY EVER
there is no analytics to draft by in the nba...its an athletic/mental judgment not a statistical one...its why the video they got of exum is so important
anyway we dont know yet if hinkie can draft players....but we do know hes been a genius roster maneuverer and asset collector and thats what tonights draft is going to consist of
advantage sixers
so you guys are totally ok with the chance of Embiid being a washout because he's made from cardboard?
absolutely....you have to come out of this draft with one of the top four....anything less is a massive disappointment...id rather have the chance of the next hakeem than seven good years of noah vonleh
The more I think about Embiid's upside, the less I I care about his injuries. Don't get me wrong, I'd still be hesitant to take a 7 footer with back and foot injuries, but 1 thing I keep thinking about is the fact that his body doesn't have a lot of basketball wear and tear on it. I mean, dude just started playing like 3 years ago so it's not like his knees, feet, and back have been conditioned to play this game from a really early age.
If he's there at 3, take him because even if he ends up being a bust, you've still got 3 other 1st round picks on the roster in Noel, MCW and 10 (assuming they stand pat and don't trade MCW and/or 10). If for some reason, both he and Wiggins are available at 3 (or if the Sixers trade up to 1) then I'd go with Wiggins. But I'll be fine with Embiid at 3 if Wiggy is off the board. His upside vs everyone else is too great to ignore.
im not saying im all in on embiid with no worries....in way i would almost expect his career never really start ala odom...because after all i root for philadelphia teams....im also not saying ill be pissed if they dont take embiid provided they take exum...but they didnt tank last year to get aaron farging gordon...the same reason i want embiid is the same reason id trade 3 & 10 for wiggy...you gotta get a guy who can be a superstar
And they didn't tank to get someone who will NEVER help them (possibly).
So you get a player who will actually, you know, play...and doesn't have a medical file as thick as a phonebook
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 01:06:18 PM
but we do know hes been a genius roster maneuverer and asset collector and thats what tonights draft is going to consist of
advantage sixers
you are head over heels....cracking jokes about chipper having the fan base eating out of his palm. hinkie has done NOTHING and hes all of a sudden a genius. oooo wow he decided to tank, what a mensa member.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 01:58:41 PM
And they didn't tank to get someone who will NEVER help them (possibly).
So you get a player who will actually, you know, play...and doesn't have a medical file as thick as a phonebook
I'll take the 50/50 on someone who will flame out or be a star versus the 90% on a solid but unspectactular starter. They need a star in this draft, not a contributor. Roll the dice.
thats what they did with bynum....it worked out
i do everything i can to get wiggins. thats it and thats all.
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 01:06:18 PM
but we do know hes been a genius roster maneuverer and asset collector and thats what tonights draft is going to consist of
advantage sixers
you are head over heels....cracking jokes about chipper having the fan base eating out of his palm. hinkie has done NOTHING and hes all of a sudden a genius. oooo wow he decided to tank, what a mensa member.
done nothing?
in 12 months hes taken the worst franchise in the league and made it the most hopeful one....yes his picks still have to come thru...but hes done everything right so far...and btw i think hes overrated but his first pick won rookie of the year
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 01:58:41 PM
And they didn't tank to get someone who will NEVER help them (possibly).
So you get a player who will actually, you know, play...and doesn't have a medical file as thick as a phonebook
well yes if embiid is 100% going to never play then i dont want him
but as of now ill take a 75% chance of getting a franchise chaging player over a 0% chance
if you are saying you want exum wiggy or even parker then i understand....but if you are saying youd take aaron gordon noah vonleh or julius randle over embiid then we just have different philosophies as to how you build a team in the nba
Exum is as big of a ?? as Embiid just got different reasons.
I take Wiggijs if he's there. I MIGHT take Parker whose ceiling is potentially just high enough that it may outweigh Embiid's injury risks. After that it's Embiid to me.
Gotta be all in on getting Wiggy.
Wiggy
Parker
Exum
Vonleh
Gordon
Embiid
Too risky for him to be any higher in my book. I am equally nervous about Exum too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 02:19:24 PM
done nothing?
in 12 months hes taken the worst franchise in the league and made it the most hopeful one....yes his picks still have to come thru...but hes done everything right so far...and btw i think hes overrated but his first pick won rookie of the year
the sixers are not the most hopeful franchise in the league, homer. the rookie of the year is expendable, there is no concensus superstar in the "greatest draft ever" and they might not even have their 1st round pick next year. they could easily continue to be irrelevant and suck for the foreseeable future
there is HOPE but its not because of the special mind of hinkie.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2014, 02:27:20 PM
Exum is as big of a ?? as Embiid just got different reasons.
I take Wiggijs if he's there. I MIGHT take Parker whose ceiling is potentially just high enough that it may outweigh Embiid's injury risks. After that it's Embiid to me.
if exum was a front court player id probably pass on him due to the mystery....but im not passing up a potential superstar who always has the ball in his hands and can get to the rim at will...exums mental makeup is supposedly off the charts as well...plus hes farging 18...i want to see what hes gonna be in three years when hes still only 21
i have zero problem with exum over embiid now with embiid injury issues
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 02:37:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 02:19:24 PM
done nothing?
in 12 months hes taken the worst franchise in the league and made it the most hopeful one....yes his picks still have to come thru...but hes done everything right so far...and btw i think hes overrated but his first pick won rookie of the year
the sixers are not the most hopeful franchise in the league, homer. the rookie of the year is expendable, there is no concensus superstar in the "greatest draft ever" and they might not even have their 1st round pick next year. they could easily continue to be irrelevant and suck for the foreseeable future
there is HOPE but its not because of the special mind of hinkie.
sure they are....most cap room in the nba...plus mcw nerlens 3 + 10 and ________??? going forward
hinkie magic has turned this franchise around 180 since this time last year when they were a disgrace
i guess your opinion is that billy king put them where they are today?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
Gotta be all in on getting Wiggy.
Wiggy
Parker
Exum
Vonleh
Gordon
Embiid
Too risky for him to be any higher in my book. I am equally nervous about Exum too.
if you are that worried about his injuries then it should be like the nfl...take him off your lottery board completely or take him at 3....i dont get not liking him at 3 but liking him at 6
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 02:49:58 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
Gotta be all in on getting Wiggy.
Wiggy
Parker
Exum
Vonleh
Gordon
Embiid
Too risky for him to be any higher in my book. I am equally nervous about Exum too.
if you are that worried about his injuries then it should be like the nfl...take him off your lottery board completely or take him at 3....i dont get not liking him at 3 but liking him at 6
exactly. Like I said before, I'd take him at 3, but not at 10. IF he is somehow there at 10 it is because his foot has fallen off and every team has decided the same thing.
sorry to tell you guys but my irish instinct is telling me that sixers get parker tonight at 3.
I don't mind gambling on him later. I want a guy at 3 who will play for sure.
Wojo says Marcus Smart is getting heavy consideration from Utah at 5
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 02:37:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 02:19:24 PM
done nothing?
in 12 months hes taken the worst franchise in the league and made it the most hopeful one....yes his picks still have to come thru...but hes done everything right so far...and btw i think hes overrated but his first pick won rookie of the year
the sixers are not the most hopeful franchise in the league, homer. the rookie of the year is expendable, there is no concensus superstar in the "greatest draft ever" and they might not even have their 1st round pick next year. they could easily continue to be irrelevant and suck for the foreseeable future
there is HOPE but its not because of the special mind of hinkie.
sure they are....most cap room in the nba...plus mcw nerlens 3 + 10 and ________??? going forward
hinkie magic has turned this franchise around 180 since this time last year when they were a disgrace
i guess your opinion is that billy king put them where they are today?
they are an awful franchise that has been a joke for 13 years. still are. still could be. there is HOPE young jedi but nothing and i mean nothing has been accomplished. i couldve done what hinkie has done thus far.
I haven't kept up with any of the rumors on who is picking who. At this point are there favorites that are expected to go at 1, 2, etc, or it seems to be all over the place?
It is all over the place...Embiid's injury has thrown it into crazier speculation.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
I don't mind gambling on him later. I want a guy at 3 who will play for sure.
Wojo says Marcus Smart is getting heavy consideration from Utah at 5
gambling on who later? parker? i'm confused.
QuoteSPORTSRADIO 94WIP @SportsRadioWIP 4m
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Quote from: phattymatty on June 26, 2014, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
I don't mind gambling on him later. I want a guy at 3 who will play for sure.
Wojo says Marcus Smart is getting heavy consideration from Utah at 5
gambling on who later? parker? i'm confused.
Embiid.
I wouldn't mind taking him at 10 or if they traded up to 8ish....but I want a legit player at 3. I don't want Embiid there with all the questions around him
i will go down on a hooker if embiid lasts until 10. no chance in hell.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 26, 2014, 05:00:59 PM
i will go down on a hooker if embiid lasts until 10. no chance in hell.
You mean you haven't done that already?
QuoteAdrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 1m
Philadelphia is still working on a final decision at No. 3, but Joel Embiid has a tremendous chance to be selected there,
:boo :boo :boo :boo :boo :boo
:yay
QuoteAdrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 2m
Charlotte remains focused on a shooter with No. 9. Doug McDermott is No. 1 choice, Nik Stauskas Plan B, sources tell Yahoo.
If Wiggins is the prize then I do 3, 10, and 32. I hate parting with those picks but Embiid's injury scares the shtein out of me and Exum is too much of an unknown. It's really a no-brainer. Cleveland is posturing at this point and driving the price up. Maybe they still take Embiid at 1 and Parker goes two to the Bucks but it's all too much of an unknown. Go with the guy with the biggest upside, the 10th pick is irrelevant if you don't hit with the 1st pick.
Quote from: SD on June 26, 2014, 05:38:21 PM
the 10th pick is irrelevant if you don't hit with the 1st pick.
i feel really bad for any teams who don't have both a top 3 and a top 10 pick
QuoteAdrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 8m
Philadelphia is no longer pursuing a deal with Cleveland for the No. 1 pick, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 9m
Barring an 11th hour offer, Cleveland plans to keep No. 1 pick and choose between Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker, source tells Yahoo.
Out on a deal for #1 per Woj.
90+ % that was all Cleveland smokescreen trying to drive up bids for the pick.
Goodbye Wiggy :(
I think there's a chance he's there if Cleveland goes Parker. Milwaukee has been lukewarm on him this whole process.
Woj is probably the most reliable there is out there. I wonder if it's not coincidental that he tweets they are heavily considering Embiid and then that they're out as the follow up?
Bottom line - I'll be happy if they end up with Wiggins/Parker/Embiid. I'll be indifferent but cautiously optimistic if it's Exum. I will be really farging angry if it's Randle/Gordon/Vonleh/Smart. I expect Thad gone by the end of the night.
i want a third top ten pick
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 06:31:05 PM
i want a third top ten pick
Embiid, move MCW, and take Smart at 7 + someone at ten
Embiid, move MCW, take Randle/Gordon at 7 + PG at ten
or Exum, move MCW, take Randle/Gordon + someone at 10
?
Quote@WojYahooNBA: Aaron Gordon is almost assuredly to be drafted before forwards Noah Vonleh and Julius Randle, front office sources tell Yahoo.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2014, 06:42:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 06:31:05 PM
i want a third top ten pick
Embiid, move MCW, and take Smart at 7 + someone at ten
Embiid, move MCW, take Randle/Gordon at 7 + PG at ten
or Exum, move MCW, take Randle/Gordon + someone at 10
?
^ all assuming Wiggins/Parker go 1/2
I'd prefer not to move MCW to be honest
Btw the nickname Dougie McBuckets is awful and I'm sick of hearing it
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 06:55:57 PM
I'd prefer not to move MCW to be honest
Btw the nickname Dougie McBuckets is awful and I'm sick of hearing it
Me too. I'm just curious what igy is hoping for if they move him.
You're about to get Yao Ming'd
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 06:31:05 PM
i want a third top ten pick
IN
Also IN on Embiid. There's no such thing as a sure thing in this draft. [Closest thing is Parker, who hardly anyone here seems to want.] Embiid is certain to be elite if his health holds, which is something I'm not even willing to say about Wiggins (who I would love at 3).
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2014, 06:42:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 06:31:05 PM
i want a third top ten pick
Embiid, move MCW, and take Smart at 7 + someone at ten
Embiid, move MCW, take Randle/Gordon at 7 + PG at ten
or Exum, move MCW, take Randle/Gordon + someone at 10
?
pretty much any of the above but i don't want randle or smart....I don't even care that much about position...like if they took embiid at 3 id be fine with gordon and clint capela or vonleh and saric...or if they took exum id be fine with also taking zach lavine
for all those scared to death of embiid don't cry if the sixers take him...would not surprise me at all if they did that then moved him
I'm ok with Parker
BTW the writers at Barclays are saying huge lets go Sixers chants are breaking out. Many Sixers fans in the house
I would love Randle at 10. Think he has a low ceiling but high floor offensively. Think he'll be a fringe all star.
Broussard says he heard if Cavs take Wiggy it's for a trade....
Hmmmm
randle is going to be an atrocious defender in the league that's why I don't want him
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 07:10:25 PM
Broussard says he heard if Cavs take Wiggy it's for a trade....
Hmmmm
three days ago he said
Well then nevermind
Bilas loves Embiid...said he'd take him with Sam Bowie knees and Bill Walton feet
@WojYahooNBA: Noah Vonleh is on the slide in this draft, front office sources tell Yahoo Sports. Best first chance to be picked: Lakers.
Wiggy's suit is awful.
wiggy talks like a big nerd.
I would shtein my pants if they got embiid/exum and vonleh
I...
I Believe...
I believe the Sixers will draft soneone tonight!
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2014, 07:06:50 PM
I would love Randle at 10. Think he has a low ceiling but high floor offensively. Think he'll be a fringe all star.
ditto. i also like gordon more than most people...think ROY goes to gordon or parker next year.
im fine with Gordon cause hes gonna be a sick defender who can guard several positions pretty much from jump
@chadfordinsider: As we reported in our Mock 20 minutes ago, Vonleh sliding. In the mix at LA or Philly. (I put him at 10 to Philly in last mock)
Vonleh at 10 would be a steal...I doubt it happens
farging start for god sakes...my fat belly cant take this anymore
In Hinkie we trust...
Here we gooooooooo
Adam Silver makes Howie look like Tyler Durden
Psyche
this draft is insane in that no one has a clue who is even gonna go 1...much less the rest of the way....I don't remember anything like this ever
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 07:37:13 PM
this draft is insane in that no one has a clue who is even gonna go 1...much less the rest of the way....I don't remember anything like this ever
Yep this is great theater....
Stay off twitter bc people will be tipping picks.
yeah you know me I don't go anywhere near twitter for drafts
why are they letting them do this
:-[
Let's hope for a trade....GET WIGGY
welp.
bucks really shouldn't take 5 seconds much less five minutes but im sure they are required to for espn
This angers me if they don't trade for him.
Sooooo moving on....
Milwaukee gonna gamble on Embiid here? Parker?
I guess they'll take Parker
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
bucks really shouldn't take 5 seconds much less five minutes but im sure they are required to for espn
It'd be a shock if this isn't Parker, right?
They love Parker. The Embiid injury farged us out of Wiggins.
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 26, 2014, 07:44:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
bucks really shouldn't take 5 seconds much less five minutes but im sure they are required to for espn
It'd be a shock if this isn't Parker, right?
99%
That is one shiny headed brotha.
embiid now another excuse of hinkie to not try.....tank you very much you arrogant nerd
Bring out the gimp
No word on trades??
shtein...I'm nervous
jabari has already lost some lb's
I hope the Sixers draft someone no one has ever heard of.
Kill IGY.
Sixers know a lot more about Embiid's health than we do. Sixers know a lot more about Exum than we do. Trust in the nerd.
hinkie wants to trade
see you in 2025, relevancy
dude doesn't know what the word understatement means
sixers take embiid they will have gotten the consensus number one rated player in two consecutive drafts...although to be fair last years draft sucked
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 07:50:56 PM
hinkie wants to trade
trading embiid is very possible
joel and noel
i'm in.
LOVE
Welllllll then
This farging guy better be farging Olajuwon the second.
And nice reaction, Embiid. Wake the farg up son.
That was the greatest reaction in the history of the planet ever.
Haaaaaaaa!
twin towers
Embiid looks thrilled
he looked so excited to be in philly
go team
jay bilas: hes got great feet
except the one that is broken
Quote@andre: Young fella, that ain't the look to have going there...
so he wasn't excited before he heard the pick? craziness.
That's Iggy tweeting
The post-post reaction was all-time awesome.
Is there a 30 second delay in Africa?
Quote from: phattymatty on June 26, 2014, 07:57:27 PM
so he wasn't excited before he heard the pick? craziness.
lol....the second it happened I said to wifey that there was a delay
there was a delay but the twitter jokes are coming regardless
hes straight off the boat but he better be good
Quote from: phattymatty on June 26, 2014, 07:54:56 PM
joel and noel
With the #10 pick:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/Jor-EL.jpg)
joel is all bidness. none of that corny glittery suit wiggins ish.
Gordon to Orlando!!
Mild wow
omg this is 100000% awesome.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 26, 2014, 08:00:28 PM
joel is all bidness. none of that corny glittery suit wiggins ish.
Hakeem The Dream
Joel The ??
so right now...
pg - mcw
sg - ??
sf - #10
pf - nerlens
c - embiid
good pick. i love gordon. griffin 2.0.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 26, 2014, 08:00:28 PM
joel is all bidness. none of that corny glittery suit wiggins ish.
Wiggins suit cost the GDP of Cameroon.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 08:01:19 PM
so right now...
pg - mcw
sg - ??
sf - #10
pf - nerlens
c - embiid
Tony Wroten!
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 08:01:19 PM
so right now...
pg - mcw
sg - gary harris
sf - adrien payne
pf - nerlens
c - embiid
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 08:02:26 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 08:01:19 PM
so right now...
pg - mcw
sg - ??
sf - #10
pf - nerlens
c - embiid
Tony Wroten!
im talking about when they win an nba title in five years
dante drops to the lakers....who trades him to the sixers please
Say what you want about Embiid but IF he pans out he has a chance to be who you build a team around and that's what they needed.
Exum to Utah
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 26, 2014, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 08:01:19 PM
sg - ??
#7
8)
all kidding aside they shouldn't be drafting by position at this point but im not thrilled with any of the sg's that could go at 10
aussie to mormonville
this will work
It trips me out for a black dude to have an Aussie accent
i don't see it happening but i'm horny for randle at 10.
hate smart and hate the celtics. perfect combo.
jalen is on fire tonight
mcbuckets?!?
I'm on the Randle at 10 wagon....let's goooooo
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 08:15:01 PM
mcbuckets?!?
they need shooters in the worst way and if they were closer to winning and like this id say he was a possibility to fill a need...but theres just to many players gonna be on the board that do so much more than him...hes a role filler...they need BPA
randle/vonleh/dougie/harris in that order.
randle is more of a 4 right? i agree they need BPA but they need the player to have a spot
Marcus Smart needs to hit up the Accutane
Ahhh farg
Randle is a bitch ass Laker
saric/capela/vonleh/lavine/young
MCBUCKETS white white white
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 26, 2014, 08:18:15 PM
Marcus Smart needs to hit up the Accutane
He will probably hit some Celts fans too. Racist city for a guy who went after a fan?
McDermott would be fine but I want Vonleh.
QuoteRT @bobfordsports: Get ready for the Dario Saric pick and the fact neither first-rounder might play in 14-15.
lol hinkie is a douuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuche
Embiid injury like Yao Mings
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11111211&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F%22%7D
wow
Stauskas at 8?!???
Quote from: SD on June 26, 2014, 08:22:38 PM
Embiid injury like Yao Mings
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11111211&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F%22%7D
like jordan's too
The farging hats are stupid. Wear it right idiots! Stupid goddamn flat bill shtein
Sixers are gonna have an embarrassment of riches available at #10
mcbuckets to charlotte
fargkkkkkkk Vonleh gonleh
Wtf Charlotte you were supposed to take McDermott.
Mcbuckets time
I can't take the McBuckets nickname any more.
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 26, 2014, 08:02:06 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on June 26, 2014, 08:00:28 PM
joel is all bidness. none of that corny glittery suit wiggins ish.
Wiggins suit cost the GDP of Cameroon.
:-D
If they take Gary Harris Matty will be jerking off in the Nicaraguan streets
Cavs GM attributes Wiggens great defense to "Fast twitch muscle fiber". Sure.
bye bye mcw
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
A Louie Laffy kid?!?
Oh yea, we all saw this coming.
whoa
Explain this to me. Help.
Why?
hair check
game no check
Head scratcher unless there's some sort of trade
So they drafted a 7th grader. Awesome!
"Terrible shooter"
Ok great
Great farging pick.
he was the only person in my top next 5 that i didn't want.
why the rush to get rid of mcw.
well now
Hahah Chad Ford got got
Quote@chadfordinsider: The Philadelphia 76ers take Dario Saric with the No. 10 pick in the draft
I expect his shooting to improve after he goes through puberty
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 08:38:45 PM
"Terrible shooter"
Ok great
I heard that, was that supposed to be a joke?
Quote from: phattymatty on June 26, 2014, 08:39:07 PM
he was the only person in my top next 5 that i didn't want.
why the rush to get rid of mcw.
MCW is good and people running him outta town
Awkward interview there with MCW too
Quote from: SD on June 26, 2014, 08:38:24 PM
Head scratcher unless there's some sort of trade
hinkie and brown wanna run run run and mcw is a half court pg
wojo saying payton could be on the move
Comparing him to Rondo.
Macho Man Simmons likes the pick.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 1m
Elfrid Payton could be on the move, sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 08:41:18 PM
wojo saying payton could be on the move
possible too....pyton was the fastest riser in the whole draft....lotta teamd are in love with him
@WojYahooNBA: Elfrid Payton could be on the move, sources tell Yahoo Sports.
PLEASE TRADE HIM
Magic on the clock.
LET'S DO THIS!
If magic take saric I'm expecting the sixers to trade there considering Ford thought sixers picked him at 10.
Quote@JakeLFischer: Hearing that Elfrid Payton could be moved alongside Thaddeus Young.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 08:46:04 PM
Quote@JakeLFischer: Hearing that Elfrid Payton could be moved alongside Thaddeus Young.
FOR??!
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 08:46:04 PM
Quote@JakeLFischer: Hearing that Elfrid Payton could be moved alongside Thaddeus Young.
FOR??!
Wiggins, obviously.
To add to the chorus, Andy Katz saying that Payton's people think he's moving.
McDermott probably going to Chicago. Da Bullz.
@tmoore76ers: Rumblings Payton could be headed to Kings for Stauskas. Unclear what else #Sixers are giving up.
Makes sense if Hinkie thought Hornets would take Stauskas ahead of him
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2014, 08:45:56 PM
If magic take saric I'm expecting the sixers to trade there considering Ford thought sixers picked him at 10.
that would be a really nice trade for the magic who need and wanted a pg bad and passed on exum
Grantland.
Aldridge saying Orlando taking Saric and then trading him for Payton
lolololol....jalen killin it again
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 08:51:41 PM
Aldridge saying Orlando taking Saric and then trading him for Payton
Sixers going international
So Romey gets a no shooting PG
Saric comes to Phila in two years?
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 26, 2014, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 08:51:41 PM
Aldridge saying Orlando taking Saric and then trading him for Payton
Sixers going international
The tank part 2. Saric overseas and Embiid recovering.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 08:51:41 PM
Aldridge saying Orlando taking Saric and then trading him for Payton
Dumb
Entire draft would come down to a foot injury and a guy who might not play in the us
Yeah exactly. Sixers stockpiling all the players who won't actually play, accumulating future high draft picks.
omg reece trying to kill me with an amazing christian welp drop
Simmons says Saric is another Detlef Schremfp!
Tankadelphia again
Anyone wearing a 38 short jacket should be banned from the draft.
Just saying...
staukus twitter says
and saric too...both
well its one of them
Not sure how legit this is
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA 6s
More
Magic and Sixers are also swapping future picks in this deal, including a 2017 1st. Getting final details now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2014, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2014, 07:40:31 AM
saric signed a euro deal yesterday and wont be in the nba for at least two years
this is AMAZING....can you imagine in a few years the whole spectrum doing the saric
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnR-I2T5zD0#t=146
All you need with saric is to watch that video igy posted again.
so todd... what's up with bubbie bringing the brothas up front?
And igy on cue.
@ZachLowe_NBA: Magic and Sixers are also swapping future picks in this deal, including a 2017 1st. Getting final details now.
hinkie magic following the BPA collect assets formula
not gonna be much but if the trade is true I wonder what little nugget he got for taking payton
@KBergCBS: Philadelphia gets Orlando's 2017 first-round pick, 1-11 protected, in Saric-Payton deal. Pick is 1-8 protected in 2018.
so the roster for next year
mcw
crap
crap
noel
crap
crap
crap
crap
crap
crap
crap
then 2 top 15 picks?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 09:00:53 PM
@KBergCBS: Philadelphia gets Orlando's 2017 first-round pick, 1-11 protected, in Saric-Payton deal. Pick is 1-8 protected in 2018.
ASSETS
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 09:00:53 PM
@KBergCBS: Philadelphia gets Orlando's 2017 first-round pick, 1-11 protected, in Saric-Payton deal. Pick is 1-8 protected in 2018.
Even better than taking Saric at 10. Awesome.
hinkie magic is a genius....gets a future 1 and the guy he wanted anyway
hinkie playing the long game, son
it's magic
QuoteThe Magic will send Saric to the Sixers for Payton. Saric is a great value here at No. 12. He's one of the most skilled players in the draft. He has an unbelievable feel for the game.
He needs all them 2's to fill the roster this year
So is Thad going? Would you deal him for a pick to get Harris?
I'm sitting here watching ESPN and there's literally nothing about this.
I've seen it on the net,but still, farging embarrassing.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 09:07:33 PM
So is Thad going? Would you deal him for a pick to get Harris?
yeah
he won't be enthused about climbing back into the tank this season
Quote from: Rome on June 26, 2014, 09:09:01 PM
I'm sitting here watching ESPN and there's literally nothing about this.
I've seen it on the net,but still, farging embarrassing.
they covered it 10 minutes ago
I hate this Boston flag worse than anyting ever in the history of ever.
@ESPNAndyKatz: Here is the trade: Orlando sends rights to Dario Saric and will return Sixers pick in '15 and a 2nd in '15 for rights for Elfrid Payton.
?? Que??
Quote from: Rome on June 26, 2014, 09:09:01 PM
I'm sitting here watching ESPN and there's literally nothing about this.
you must have missed it then spent a couple minutes on it about five minutes ago
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2014, 09:07:33 PM
So is Thad going? Would you deal him for a pick to get Harris?
sure...why not
they cannot have thad next year....he was pissed about last years tank
seeing a bunch of different reports on the draft pick...one said it would be in 2017, another a second rounder
basically hinkie hoodwinked the magic. he stole their guy and forced them to give up an extra pick for them. douche.
It's their own pick back AND a second.
I caught the half-assed analysis but it's fluff.
Just curious about the real shtein here.
so basically the sixers are the houston astros of the nba
Who is the Sixers George Springer??
I just squirted a little.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2014, 09:11:29 PM
It's their own pick back AND a second.
I think that pick was top 14 protected... aka it was never leaving the Sixers. Am I right?
great moment
clearly the goal of the draft was to be able to have their 1st rounder next year
mission accomplished. now nobody needs to watch them next year AGAIN. but yes they have tons of talent stocked.
Choke for Oke next years slogan
Sixers should draft that guy the Nba drafted so they can stash him away in case they find a cure for his disease
The Dawn of the Planet of The Apes looks good.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2015/
6'11" and 272?
Holy shtein.
http://thebiglead.com/2014/06/26/did-zach-lavine-say-eff-me-when-he-was-picked-by-minnesota/
Quote from: Rome on June 26, 2014, 09:30:39 PM
The Dawn of the Planet of The Apes looks good.
i can never tell in those movies if the apes are the good guys or the bad
Alright ladies...who is the next target?
pretty good job by the nba....only two guys left in the green room
Early from Wichita? Will he drop?
lolwat
What is that.
I want Hairston.
I had the Phils on
Who the farg did Toronto pick?!
a guy fran fraschila knew Toronto liked and thought they would take at 37....he said he was two years away from being two years away
Someone who was described as "two years away from being two years away".
Wasn't on Ford's 2 rd mock draft.
Lol that's funny.
Hurry up with the next Sixers pick or a Thad deal
Houston is trying to get rid of 25 to not have to pay the player. They're in dump mode. They're trying to deal Lin too
I want Early
Come on Hinkie.
Or Hood?
i like early but hes so old
eff hood...hes wack
Hairston
@JakePavorsky: Hinkie working the phones to get back into the first round. Nothing imminent but calls are being made.
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2014, 09:12:51 PM
so basically the sixers are the houston astros of the nba
Schwingggggggg
It's just right that the Hornets name and colors are back.
Great pick by them with Napier. Him and Walker are legit
Shabazz going to Miami
Sheesh...I don't like it
this pick might be getting traded.....hopefully to the sixers
The Rockets pick??
yeah....pretty much any pick from here on out has a good shot of being dealt...but i like capela and he seems like a hinkie guy all the way
@JakeLFischer: All signs pointing to Thaddeus Young staying in Philadelphia for the time being. Doesn't look like he'll be traded tonight.
Stupid farging hats. Hate hate hate
I don't know shtein about Saric but the Sixers fleeced the Magic in that deal.
Pelicans get: Jrue Holiday
Sixers get: Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, future 1st, future 2nd.
Come on Early!
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 10:20:40 PM
yeah....pretty much any pick from here on out has a good shot of being dealt...but i like capela and he seems like a hinkie guy all the way
http://deadspin.com/get-to-know-the-guy-who-might-be-the-steal-of-the-nba-d-1596574284
If Early gets past San Antone then he's gonna be a Sixer....I hope
that's a great farging pick by the spurs....of course
San Antonio is a goddamn basketball factory
Reporter: "Dario, do you know anything about the Sixers?"
Dario: "I know everything about Sixers."
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203068758052332
Lol
gimme kj mcdaniels
Mcdaniels or early.
I say Cle you say Anthony!
Leggggoooo
Why is Milwaukee's second round pick taking longer to select than their first round pick?
Quote from: SD on June 26, 2014, 10:57:11 PM
Why is Milwaukee's second round pick taking longer to select than their first round pick?
They had basically three months to figure out their first round pick.
BOOM
KJ Mcdaniels...word
Not bad not bad
Not Early but stil good
Bilas "he's got a good athlete...he's a freak athlete"
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2014, 11:01:19 PM
BOOM
Embiid, Saric + picks, + McDaniels. Feel like igy might be Hinkie in disguise.
Saric clips reminds me of Kukoc a bit.
these are long but def worth the watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Lr26ORJ_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqmQD_lJlj8
I was thinking Drazen Petrovic
Jerami Grant...nice
QuoteThe analytics perspective
Grant isn't ready for the NBA, according to the numbers. There's basically no track record for success among players like Grant who are 6-foot-8 and under, do not shoot 3-pointers and are so inaccurate on 2-pointers (50.6 percent last season).
The closest comparison is Travis Leslie, a second-round pick who has played 45 career minutes in the NBA. Stretching a bit, Grant can point to Luc Richard Mbah a Moute as a relative success story, but Mbah a Moute is one of the league's best perimeter stoppers. Grant is unlikely to be so good. Unless he develops 3-point range, his career is not likely to go anywhere.
At the same time, history suggests leaving now is probably the right move for Grant. His stock, currently in the middle to late first round, could slide if he fails to show rapid improvement as an upperclassmen and scouts start asking harder questions about how his game translates to the NBA.
The scouting perspective
Grant is a combo forward prospect with good length and athleticism, but he lacks a defined role at the next level. While he was an efficient scorer at the collegiate level (and improved greatly from his freshman to sophomore seasons), Grant is one of those prospects who make me wonder if I'm missing something that everyone else sees.
While there's no denying Grant's athleticism and ability to finish, the rest of his game is a work-in-progress.
He runs the floor well in transition, gets to the front of the rim and finishes with power and explosiveness. He likes to mix it up in traffic and finishes well through contact, though he always tries to finish with his right hand on layups. Plus, Grant has a nice little tear-drop floater that he unleashes from time to time, which will help at the next level when going against bigger defenders.
However, he isn't very creative off the dribble, looking for straight-line drives with long strides. If he encounters defensive resistance, his only counter is a right-to-left spin move. His range doesn't quite extend to college 3-point land, but to his credit he knows his limitation and doesn't get enamored with the midrange jumper. Even though he often pops or shallow dives on pick-and-rolls, he'll put the ball on the floor after the catch and attack. Also, he's a terrific offensive rebounder who capitalizes on second-chance opportunities.
Defensively, as a Syracuse product he will have to fight the same death sentence that every fellow alum suffers from, as the Orange's 2-3 zone traditionally has not produced NBA-caliber defenders. Grant has decent defensive awareness but poor technique, leading to blow-bys off his closeouts. He is an underwhelming defensive rebounder, but part of that comes from playing the wing in the 2-3 zone. However, historically there hasn't been much improvement from college to the pros for other Syracuse guys in that regard.
The NBA front-office perspective
Grant is one of the most athletic players in the draft. When you are 6-7 with length, explosive leaping ability and the later quickness of a guard, NBA scouts are going to give you multiple looks.
He has a strong motor, attacks the rim and has the ability to guard the 2, 3 and 4, which also has a strong appeal to NBA scouts. But his lack of offensive skills somewhat dampens that enthusiasm.
Grant has the makings of a midrange jumper (though it's still inconsistent), but other than that, he doesn't have much of an offensive game. He has no 3-point shot to speak of and can't really create his own shot off the dribble yet.
The question for Grant: Can he go from elite athlete to something more? NBA players need to have the ability to score at the next level; it's hard for them to get on the floor if they can't. I think teams are going to give him a long look in the 12-20 range, but his long-term potential is dependent on developing small forward skills either in the D-League or practice.
Hinkie and Chip love each other. All about athletic freaks.
That entire analysis of Grant seems to assume he goes in the mid first round range. Don't mind a flier on someone in the 2nd round with elite athleticism hoping he puts other stuff together while realizing it's a longshot.
DX - who does those scouting videos igy linked - had Embiid 1 overall, Saric 13, McDaniels 18, Grant 22.
not that it matters at all because they have years to get some but i just cant get over how bad of a shooting team the sixers are at this moment....its beyond comprehension really
poor mans shabazz napier
traded for Pierre Jackson? who they picked last year at 42.
please pick jabari brown and at least have a shooter on the training camp roster
Nemanja Dangubich
I know nothing about him.
lololol "not a good shooter"
Hinkie hates jumpers?
"not a great shooter" - ha
no JMM. how far has his stock fallen since arriving at UNC?
Is Hinkie part Serbian?
Only logical explanation for all these dudes.
Got 58 and 60 now
Spurs took Jordan McRae for the Sixers
7 2nd round picks.
Hahaha.
@Michael_Levin: Sixers trade Dangubic to the Spurs (they got him at 54th) for Jordan McRae and the final pick in the draft, coming up.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2014, 06:03:04 PM
Out on a deal for #1 per Woj.
90+ % that was all Cleveland smokescreen trying to drive up bids for the pick.
WojYahooNBA
As it turns out, Philadelphia never made a run at Cleveland's No. 1 overall pick, league sources tell Yahoo.
Think all the 3+10+ nonsense was all from Cleveland's end to try to grab better offers.
I think the final pick was sold to the Nets
Not sure if it was mentioned but Jerami Grant is Harvey's son and Horace's nephew
I'm OK with the Embiid pick and hopefully we see him on the court before Christmas. Saric is a nut job
QuoteReporter: "Dario, do you know anything about the Sixers?"
Dario: "I know everything about Sixers."
ha
The 2nd round filler and Pierre Jackson....meh, whatever. If they can help, great. They're gonna score 80 points a game again and be top 5 again next year. They'll owe a 2nd to Boston, but they own Orlando's 2nd, New Orleans' 2nd and Golden State's 2nd, so it'll be more of the same 12 months from now. At least they don't owe Orlando a #1 anymore, so there's that
see you 1 year from tonight, the next time basketball will matter in philadelphia
yeah they're going to be awful next year, but I'm willing to deal with one more awful season for the promise that could start to develop after that.
im not thrilled about it, but it is what it is.
this better pay off for hinkie. hes actively not trying to win and simply collecting assets. it better go somewhere.
I think they'd have taken Vonleh if Charlotte had done what they were supposed to and taken McDermott. He would've been the big catch at 10.
i agree that hinkie likely didnt set out to do this...if wiggy and vonleh were there he probably takes them and then all of a sudden were pumped for this season
he played the hand that was dealt, but that hand essentially pushed this thing back 2 years. embiid probably isnt gonna play this year. saric will be eurotrash for 2 years. there is tons of promise, but thats all it is. and in the mean time theres going to be horrible basketball for another 2 years. then what the farg are you supposed to do with this roster in 2017?
this thing could easily be a disaster, just instead of an immediate plane crash its gonna be a blimp crash where it takes foreeeeeeeeevvvvvvveeerrrrrr to land
I know it's the wrong thread but do the lakers have any reason to smile about for this upcoming season based on their draft?
looks pretty good bionic!
QuoteESPN's Chad Ford, who projected Randle to the Lakers through the majority of his mock drafts, wrote Randle should be a "major impact rookie" next season (Insider).
Randle wowed the Lakers in a workout. He's ready to play right now, and they desperately need help in the paint. He was thought of as a potential No. 1 pick at the start of the season but got a little lost in all of Kentucky's talent. He should be a major impact rookie for the Lakers next season.
CBS Sports' Matt Moore gave the Lakers an A+ for drafting Randle, writing his "attitude" will mesh well with Kobe Bryant while Los Angeles re-tools.
Quote from: MDS on June 27, 2014, 01:19:39 AM
i agree that hinkie likely didnt set out to do this...if wiggy and vonleh were there he probably takes them and then all of a sudden were pumped for this season
he played the hand that was dealt, but that hand essentially pushed this thing back 2 years. embiid probably isnt gonna play this year. saric will be eurotrash for 2 years. there is tons of promise, but thats all it is. and in the mean time theres going to be horrible basketball for another 2 years. then what the farg are you supposed to do with this roster in 2017?
this thing could easily be a disaster, just instead of an immediate plane crash its gonna be a blimp crash where it takes foreeeeeeeeevvvvvvveeerrrrrr to land
the sixers were always going to have a shot at the #1 overall next year....hinkie was taking saric all the way vonleh or no vonleh
wiggy and saric vs embiid and saric or even vonleh and wiggy does absolutely nothing to the franchise timeline
and of course it could be a disaster that's not news...when you are trying to build up a team with lots of young talent you develop a superstar or get banished to mediocrity...yes the ancillary pieces have to develop and mesh but basically the sixers future rests on whether embiid can stay healthy and become anthony davis
last night did nothing to change their future one bit unless having no embiid or saric next year gets them say the #1 overall instead of the #3 and that allows them to get another future superstar...altho next years draft is looking mighty weak and doesn't have a top end shooting guard which is what they are really gonna need...but that's what cap space and free agency is for...in fact nexts years draft is gonna be loaded with of course guess what - centers
oh good so they tanked to get someone whose not even good...in which case hinkie will trade back and acquire more assets so they can be good 2 years from then
cant wait. 12345 6ers.
so wait, i thought embiid was looking at 4-6months to get back to playing. now he may not play at all this year ?
4-6 months recovery. Probably longer until he's on the floor though since the Sixers have no desire to rush him -- see what they did with Noel as a reference. He said he wants to play this year but I would be somewhat surprised.
im thinking they want him to play some to see if he's healed and can go. if he shows that he play i see noel traded if he's gained value.
Hinkie just said the surgeon told him 5-8 months. You won't see Embiid next year
well alrighty then. :yay
If Hinkie magic really existed the Sixers have Wiggins/Vonleh not Yao/Kukoc
Quote from: SD on June 27, 2014, 01:56:28 PM
If Hinkie magic really existed the Sixers have Wiggins/Vonleh not Yao/Kukoc
I see what you did there. :-D
Quote from: smeags on June 27, 2014, 12:15:19 PM
so wait, i thought embiid was looking at 4-6months to get back to playing. now he may not play at all this year ?
i never thought he was playing next year.....why would he
Quote from: SD on June 27, 2014, 01:56:28 PM
If Hinkie magic really existed the Sixers have Wiggins/Vonleh not Yao/Kukoc
or maybe they have jordan/kukoc.....btw im pretty sure you never saw kukoc play when he was on the bulls....dook was a great player
I should also mention yao ming was all nba caliber for like seven years....he career will probably be better than 99.9% of this entire lottery
I understand the concern but could we please come up with some better analogies
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2014, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: SD on June 27, 2014, 01:56:28 PM
If Hinkie magic really existed the Sixers have Wiggins/Vonleh not Yao/Kukoc
or maybe they have jordan/kukoc.....btw im pretty sure you never saw kukoc play when he was on the bulls....dook was a great player
Yeah, if this kid ends up being anything like Kukoc, then it'll be a great pick. Didn't the Bulls sign him to an even bigger contact than anything they had paid MJ up to that point?
kind of thinking the yao mentions are not meant to be serious analogies at this point.
Yao Ming.
Quote from: smeags on June 27, 2014, 03:39:55 PM
kind of thinking the yao mentions are not meant to be serious analogies at this point.
youd be thinking wrong....im not even singling out sd...yao mentions since the embiid injury have been uncountable....even russell is doing it
yep ... all serious. my bad.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5405833472/h77A7A1D2/)
:-D :-D :-D
i dont care who you are, that was funny.
Chad Ford
GM Sam Hinkie has proven to be a master of collecting assets. Embiid, on pure talent and potential, may be the best prospect in the draft. Saric was a top-10 prospect as well that the Sixers had coveted for a while. Had Embiid been healthy and had Saric been available to come to the NBA this year, they would get an A. However, Embiid is likely out the whole season recovering from foot surgery. Saric has a three-year deal in Turkey and won't play in the NBA for a couple of seasons. How do you rebuild without your talent on the floor?
In five years, if Embiid is a superstar and Saric is the next Toni Kukoc, my criticisms will seem petty. But it's a long road, Sixers fans. A long road. And the 2015 NBA draft isn't as loaded as this draft is and is mostly filled with bigs, the one thing the Sixers are now stockpiled with.
George Karl
Philly continues to baffle me. It doesn't seem like the Sixers are making any moves to improve right now. They seem to have developed a losing culture, taking the mindset of "test this player, test that player." I think it's dangerous. You play the game of basketball to win and to compete in an intense way. Joel Embiid wasn't a bad pick, but we're not sure how soon he can contribute. Overall it seems as though they make very few decisions based on winning in the near term.
Adi Joseph
[Embiid and Saric] have ridiculous potential, as does Micic, a great passer who likely will stay overseas as well. Meanwhile, McDaniels and Grant are hard-nosed defenders who are ready to fill roster spots right now, and McRae has some potential as a scorer. But it's Jackson who may prove the biggest addition immediately, as he dominated the NBA Development League last season as a scorer and would fit well next to oversized pass-first point guard Michael Carter-Williams. This is what the Sixers need to do as they continue to build for 2016 and beyond.
SB Nation
Saric will stay in Europe for the next two years, but that's perfectly fine with Philadelphia, a team well aware it's in this rebuild for the long haul. After taking Embiid at No. 3, then trading for Saric, the Sixers drafted two lottery players who won't make an impact on the floor next season. But that's OK with Philadelphia's timeline.
Kurt Helin
They took a smart gamble and got maybe the best player in the draft in Joel Embiid - when you're rebuilding and you need elite talent you swing for the fences not play it safe. Put Embiid next to Nerlens Noel in a couple years and if they can stay healthy they can be a force in the paint. The Sixers got a good future point forward in Dario Saric (who will spend the next two years in Turkey, developing. They picked up the very athletic Jerami Grant out of Syracuse, who should make some plays and fits an up-tempo system like the Sixers run. They rolled the dice on a few Europeans as well who may pan out down the line.
This team lost 26 games in a row late last year and isn't going to be much if any better next season... It's going to be the largely same tanktastic roster in Philly, and that sucks for fans asked to sit through another year of it. Intellectually Sixers fans get the building plan, but it's hard to watch right now.
James Herbert
Saric is the most versatile offensive player in the draft, and he plays with an edge in addition to being incredibly skilled. The more you watch him, the more you fall in love with him.
McDaniels' stock slid in the weeks leading up to the draft, but he has lottery talent. Teams doubt his ability to shoot, but he'll be a solid one-on-one defender and excellent help defender immediately. I called him underrated when he was projected to go late in the first round, and in the second round this was a no-brainer for Philly.
He's an incredible athlete, and he'll be a beast in transition on both ends. He does the things wings are supposed to do in 2014 in the NBA, meaning he's not the type to force up bad 2-point jumpers. If McDaniels is just able to hit spot-up 3s, this is a great get.
So, when is the :CF field trip to try out for the 2014-2015 76ers?
farg the haters. The Sixers are doing exactly what they have to be doing if they want to be a powerhouse team down the road. It's not like they were a couple of mid-round draft picks away from being where they needed to be when Hinkie took over. They've practically got their own little farm system now, they stockpile picks, and they have a shteinload of cash to throw around at free agents whenever the time for competing arrives. Sometimes I feel these analysts are so used to talking about the Heat and Bulls all day that they don't understand the needs of a team like the Sixers.
At least the Sixers are in a league with a draft system ripe for getting abused like Hinkie is abusing it. The Phillies presently suck, are stuck with massive terrible contracts, untradable old players, and a dead farm in a league where drafts *might* pay off five years down the road. There's no path back because Amaro has thoroughly destroyed the value of the team's roster and they have no money to add real talent to it. You could be a baseball genius and still have no strategy for that team other than to fire the GM and all the scouts, and start working on defibrillating the farm with an eye toward fielding a decent team in the 2020s.
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 27, 2014, 09:28:22 PM
farg the haters. The Sixers are doing exactly what they have to be doing if they want to be a powerhouse team down the road.
lets remember this comment and revisit in 2019 when embiid still hasnt played a game, saric never leaves eurotrash and mcw is swapped for an expiring contract because he doesnt want to play on a nbadl team anymore
#believeinhinkie
#believeinamaro
I'm cool with it. I'd rather they shoot for the moon and miss than be the Atlanta Hawks every year. And I also like that the Sixers strategy would be completely irrational if the league had a sensible draft process. Hinkie's method simultaneously hoards future assets and points out the silliness of the system.
As for Amaro, I don't see.... any method... at all.
as if they are only 2 options...the hawks and the hinkies
everyone seems cool with them pressing the pause button on the whole "being good" thing for 2-3 years. everyone seems cool with them having the 3rd and 10th picks of the draft and not coming away with 1 player to be excited about/that can play this season. everyone's cool with trusting a weird nerd smug guy who has never had any success ever.
the sixers might be good in 3 years. cant wait.
I'm in the middle on this one...I like his strategy assuming be stays for the long run.
Knew next year would be a wash too but figured the new kids would at least get some run and experience.
Now we're talking basically two full years before these guys get a chance to gel, than realistically another year before it's time to fulfill expectations. That's a lot to ask of fans.
And if Hinkie leaves before then I will murder him.
I don't think it's like he had really planned to be one of the worst teams for years and years. He got the top talent in last years draft at a severely discounted rate, and just about the same scenario this year. The team had no business getting the top player at 7 (or whatever) last year and then 3 at this year, but due to injuries they fell.
I'm sure the team would have liked to show some steady improvement each year, but if a title is the goal then you go for the potential superstars. Sucking really badly for last year + next few is just a product of how the drafts fell. Could have drafted safer players like Randle and had an immediate payoff in moderate improvement, but that's pointless. I'm not strongly for or against the strategy either way... but it's an interesting one to take and at this point I can't argue it.
you cant argue because its 2 years away from MAYBE working
the embiid thing is disgusting. hes played competitive basketball for 3 years and been hurt each year. back and foot problems. hes 7 feet tall. he was going to be redshirted last year. he didnt even play in march. now hes hakeem the dream part II?
yea k. sheep can buy in and worship hinkie's smug shrine. ill believe it when i see it.
it's pretty obvious embiid wasn't the initial plan but with the 3rd pick and the other two gone, what would you have preferred? i think he made the best of the situation.
anyone else
embiid is never having any kind of nba career....id take him with the 10 if he was there. its worth the risk then. the sixers tanked, had 2 top 10 picks, and nothing to show for it this year. that stinks.
you're right and every professional scout is wrong. my bad.
you have never even seen him play have you.
he has plenty of ability..the hakeem stuff is typical draft nonsense...but again hes a 7 foot big man who is 19 years old, has been playing competitive hoops for 3 years and hasnt been able to stay on the floor.
how are his feet and back going to hold up when hes 28. or 32. or 21? i just dont see how you justify taking a player like that at 3. i just dont. the chances of him having a productive, healthy nba career are very, very low to me.
Compare Hinkie to amaro is one of the silliest comparisons you have ever made MDS.
They literally operate their franchises from diametrically opposed view points. You can disagree with what Hinkie is doing but comparing him to RAJ has no basis in reality.
im not comparing him to amaro, per se.
essentially, amaro had a good reputation in 09 10 and 11 when he was wheeling and dealing. he kept adding big name players, everyone was loving it. there was a blind faith (in rube we trust) that amaro would swing some "prospects" and add a superstar at the deadline. anyway, the phillies stink.
hinkie is of course the antithesis of amaro, but the blind faith in the "plan" is similar. everyone was loving the phillies mortgaging the future, and everyone is loving the sixers never attempting to have one. in hinkie we trust.
I don't see blind faith in what he's doing but I think it's reasonable for people to be on board with a long plan in the NBA given how hard it is to become a top 5 team.
I think the plan he's operating gives them their best chance of competing for a title. Whether it works - who knows, the odds are against it, but I'm all-in on this strategy rather than attempting to compete for the 5 seed.
i dont see how drafting someone else other than andrew embiid is "going for the 5 seed." you try to win, you build the team, you have success, you can add the missing piece via free agency or trade. look at the clippers. or the rockets.
gutting their roster and tanking for 2 top 10 picks was of course the right call. they did that. they did it by adding mcw and noel. awesome. they followed that up by taking a walking corpse and a croatian that wont be in the league for 2 years. thats horrible.
you draft SOMEONE who can play, take your lotto pick in 15 and go from there. essentially im OK with saric. its the embiid pick thats driving me crazy. plus the worshiping of hinkie, who has no track record whatsoever to get behind.
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2014, 01:48:50 AM
hinkie is of course the antithesis of amaro, but the blind faith in the "plan" is similar. everyone was loving the phillies mortgaging the future, and everyone is loving the sixers never attempting to have one. in hinkie we trust.
actually much of the fanbase was against what they did on draft night....the problem is the complainers have no plan of their own....no matter who the sixers drafted the last two years they were never winning anything for at least five years...when dante exum or whoever you wanted at three becomes a superstar and embiid never plays pro basketball then you can complain...but as of now hinkie has done no wrong and has the sixers right where they should be at this point in his tenure...embiid is the 9th highest rated nba prospect in the last 15 years....thats the kind of potential superstar that wins you titles and it was more than worth the risk
sixers released james anderson....so the worst shooting team in the nba just got rid of their one shooter who wasnt a good one to begin with
Sam Hinkie Is Not Trolling Anybody
July 1, 2014
Miles Wray
The true superstar of last week's draft — and far more so than #1 pick Andrew Wiggins and his technicolor dream coat — was Philadelphia 76ers General Manager Sam Hinkie.
At the moment the draft began, Hinkie owned seven of the draft's sixty picks — two in the top 10 and five second-rounders — and then proceeded to make four trades by the end of the evening. In addition to receiving two future picks from the Orlando Magic (in exchange for swapping picks 10 and 12), now Pierre Jackson, Jordan McRae, Vasilije Micic, K.J. McDaniels, Jerami Grant, Dario Saric, and Joel Embiid are all Philadelphia 76ers.
The immediate response to Hinkie's evening was howling in indignation, specifically at Hinkie's two lottery selections. Between Embiid's famously broken foot and Saric's new contract that will keep him playing in Turkey for at least two years, the Sixers didn't exactly acquire an "immediate contributor" in the draft. "You mean you tanked all last year," popular consensus cried, "just so you could tank all next year?!"
The ideological rift was perhaps best distilled in this three-minute segment from ESPN's Bristol studios (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11143952) featuring Chad Ford and Amin Elhassan, both of whom have opinions and expertise that I respect. A massive generational split begins to reveal itself as the conversation unfolds: like the YouTube videos of grandparents trying to listen to dubstep, Ford, the elder of the pair, can't wrap his head around Hinkie's wheelings and dealings, and proclaims that Philly had the worst draft of all thirty teams. Elhassan proclaims that Philly had the best draft of any team.
I side with Elhassan and his argument — up to a point. Elhassan proclaims that it was a wise draft for a team who plans to be "awful" in 2014-15. That is: even Elhassan, who believed that Hinkie pulled off the best draft of all 30 general managers, still believes that the Sixers will manage something of a repeat performance of last year's 19-win team. I believe that the Sixers had a really great draft (ask me five years from now who had the "best" draft) and I also believe that they will not be awful next year.
I don't believe that the Sixers will make the playoffs next year, but I would be far from surprised if they remain in contention for the Eastern Conference's eighth seed as late as the All-Star Break. That may not sound like a ringing endorsement, but how about this: I would much rather have Philadelphia's roster today compared to the rosters of two Western Conference teams.
Unlike the Sixers, the Los Angeles Lakers and the Sacramento Kings have evaded accusations that are consistently leveled at Hinkie for cynically manipulating the NBA's system of punishments and rewards. All three franchises experienced tremendous flashpoints of change in the spring/early summer of 2013, and have reacted in different ways since:
Los Angeles Lakers
Mercifully putting an end to the petty drama that at times overwhelmed the 2012-13 basketball season, in the summer of 2013 the Lakers saw the departure of a Top-10 superstar, with Dwight Howard signing with the Houston Rockets in free agency. In last summer's free agency market, the Lakers exclusively acquired low-cost Band-Aids, signing journeymen Nick Young, Chris Kaman, Wesley Johnson, Shawne Williams, and Xavier Henry, all to one-year contracts. The Lakers made one significant in-season move, signing Kobe Bryant to a two-year/$48.5M contract extension. After a predictably awful 27-win season, they fired their coach.
Entering 2014-15, the Lakers have only $35M committed in salary, which in theory will empower them to pursue big-name free agents this July. Any free agent who joins the Lakers will be signing up for a roster with:
◦Starting guards (Bryant, Steve Nash) who are a combined 76 years old, with 21 games played between them last year.
◦A young core of Kendall Marshall, Robert Sacre, Julius Randle, and...that's everybody. (Ryan Kelly will also return if he accepts his qualifying offer from the team.)
◦No coach.
The team's main pitch to those coveted free agents will presumably about the glory of their past championship trophies. The Lakers have yet to assemble any plan for their future that doesn't lean entirely on their decorated past. In games played in the 21st century where the Lakers were not coached by Phil Jackson, the team is 147-165.
Sacramento Kings
In May of 2013, the Kings were purchased by an ownership group led by Vivek Ranadive, with new General Manager Pete D'Alessandro installed shortly thereafter. The Kings have been extremely prolific in making transactions ever since, with most being surprised that the team drafted and kept their eighth overall pick from last week, used to select Nik Stauskas, instead of trading it. With Jason Thompson already signed to a deal that could stretch to summer of 2017, before the regular season tipped off D'Alessandro also made long-term commitments to DeMarcus Cousins and Carl Landry. (Remember Landry? You're forgiven if you thought he wasn't in the NBA anymore — he only appeared in 18 games this season due to injury.)
Then, in December, the Kings tried their best to "splash" with a giant move to bring Rudy Gay into town. With mastermind Raptors General Manager Masai Ujiri on the other end of the phone, Sacramento sent the better part of a playoff bench unit to Toronto (Greivis Vasquez, Patrick Patterson, Chuck Hayes, John Salmons) in exchange for Gay and all of his many, many midrange shot attempts.
Although everything has transformed for the Kings off of the basketball court, nothing has changed for the team that actually goes on the hardwood. The Kings won 28 games in 2012-13, and 28 games again in 2013-14. With Gay already exercising his $19.3M player option for next season (he is no fool), the Kings are already capped out with their 28-win nucleus, owing $67M in salary before the draft got started. Since just about the whole gang is coming back together again, is there any reason to predict a different win total for 2014-15?
Philadelphia 76ers
Perhaps the only team in the NBA who makes moves more often than the Kings, the Sixers' moves have enabled them to maintain flexibility while pursuing the type of long, lean, well-conditioned athletes that head coach Brett Brown will push to run at a league-leading pace. Players who did not fit the run-and-gun profile — Kwame Brown, Lavoy Allen, Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes — have been jettisoned in favor of a full roster of hustlers with terrifying wingspans.
Seven of the thirteen players who were under contract before draft night — that's James Anderson, Elliot Williams, Henry Sims, Brandon Davies, Hollis Thompson, Jarvis Varnado, and Casper Ware — have deals that are not guaranteed. Combined with the massive draft class listed above, and the Sixers are essentially going to be holding auditions throughout the summer and preseason to see who stays in Philadelphia and who will be delegated to their exclusive NBDL affiliate, the Deleware 87ers. The team will also be activating lottery pick Nerlens Noel, who has no NBA game experience but has already spent a full year under the training and tutelage of the Philadelphia coaching staff. International talents Furkan Aldemir and Arsalan Kazemi have gained another year of experience overseas, and there is no rush to bring them over. As much scorn as the 2013 Draft class receives, it seemed far from obvious on draft night that Philadelphia found the eventual Rookie of the Year, Michael Carter-Williams, way back at the 11th pick.
If the Sixers wish to pursue free agents in July, they can. They'll probably want to sit tight, keeping minutes open for their new, young players to receive playing time. But that's the thing — the Sixers have allowed themselves to have options to do what they want. The Lakers must pursue somebody in free agency — they won't come into the season with enough warm bodies otherwise. The Kings, with their full roster and full cap, have cornered themselves into stagnation.
With last week's haul of second-round picks, the Sixers will, unlike last year, be employing a good number of players with guaranteed contracts, meaning that there shouldn't be close to 23 different players to appear in a Philadelphia uniform, as happened last year, a feature of the team that constantly disrupted continuity that could have been responsible for the team's massive, post-trade deadline losing streak.
Next year's Sixers will lose a bunch of games, as they did last year, in which they gave up 120 points. But they'll also steal a few when they score 125. The point of Hinkie's plan is not to lose forever, and I am sure he is aware that even the most patient public couldn't be expected to put up with two additional basement-dwelling years after the 2012-13 on-court debacle. He has only been on the job for 13 months, and for most of that time he has had to scrub away the not insignificant follies of the administration that preceded him. Embiid and Saric are consensus lottery talents who will be joining the team at a relaxed pace that is most conducive to them.
Hinkie's team has a vision for the future, an identity to strive for, and options upon options to help get them there. And in the meantime, they'll probably get just as many wins as the Lakers and Kings next season, even in this embryonic stage of Philadelphia's development.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2014, 08:13:34 AM
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2014, 01:48:50 AM
hinkie is of course the antithesis of amaro, but the blind faith in the "plan" is similar. everyone was loving the phillies mortgaging the future, and everyone is loving the sixers never attempting to have one. in hinkie we trust.
actually much of the fanbase was against what they did on draft night....the problem is the complainers have no plan of their own....no matter who the sixers drafted the last two years they were never winning anything for at least five years...when dante exum or whoever you wanted at three becomes a superstar and embiid never plays pro basketball then you can complain...but as of now hinkie has done no wrong and has the sixers right where they should be at this point in his tenure...embiid is the 9th highest rated nba prospect in the last 15 years....thats the kind of potential superstar that wins you titles and it was more than worth the risk
dont care how highly rated he is...the guy cant stay healthy and hes barely played basketball. i cant see how thats worth the risk at 3. at 3 you need to at least get something, even if its winds up being a role player. theres a great chance bynum embiid never plays a game in the nba.
cant wait for 2019 though! go sixers!!
if you think a role player at 3 is what they needed instead of a potential superstar then you just dont get how the nba works and you are beyond help
you cannot use the 3rd pick on anyone but one of the big four...you wanna argue exum over embiid then fine....but a role player over embiid....NO
AT WORST a role player...meaning you take someone who will, you know, play. hopefully they develop into an all star, worst case scenario they wind up at least being an nba-level player. embiid cant even see the court.
this hinkie guy is selling ya'all a con game. oh we'll be good in 3 years, everyone. keep buying in. its gonna be great. long term plan. sam's got a vision. yea OK, so did darryl morey, then he traded for harden and signed howard. what a genius!
I know this place loves hyperbole but lo-farging-l as if anything less than an All-Star at 3 would matter
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2014, 12:04:03 PM
AT WORST a role player...meaning you take someone who will, you know, play. hopefully they develop into an all star, worst case scenario they wind up at least being an nba-level player. embiid cant even see the court.
this hinkie guy is selling ya'all a con game. oh we'll be good in 3 years, everyone. keep buying in. its gonna be great. long term plan. sam's got a vision. yea OK, so did darryl morey, then he traded for harden and signed howard. what a genius!
no one is saying its going to work....only that the process thus far has been run to perfection
your entire argument is pretty much just predicting that they wont win a championship under hinkie....thats so easy lazy and weak
yup, all the players drafted after exum are going to suck
it was embiid, exum and a pile of james andersons. #insamwetrust #seeyouin2019
so name the guys you would have taken at 3 and 10 instead of just saying hinkie sucks they will never win
What good does drafting a role player accomplish @3? How does that get them any closer to winning the championship even if Embiid never plays a minute?
You need a superstar (or two). You have a chance (who knows what % but a chance) with Embiid. What is Aaron Gordon going to do on this team? They need focal points, not side pieces.
i dont really get it but to some people its more important to win 30 games next year instead of 60 games in five years
these kids are 19 and 20...NOBODY knows how good any of them are. these silly draft evaluations made now are based on promise, not absolutes. again, you need to get something at 3. at 10 if you wanted to take a risk (embiid, saric) thats fine. thats why you have the 2nd top 10 pick.
but i guess outside of wiggins, parker, embiid, exum the rest of the draft sucked and was full of zesty players who will be horrible so they had to pick embiid because he's hakeem jr.
essentially they tanked last season, got 2 top 10 picks and theres a very very good chance they will have nothing to ever show for it. thats just horrible. its horrible they wont be able to start either guy this season. its insulting. why are you watching or following this team? whats the point? in 4 years man, i tell you, they COULD be good. cant wait!!
ill be watching NN hopefully develop....this is a huge year for MCW....i need to see improvement there especially with the shot....and im really looking forward to the crazy athletic wings they got especailly on the defensive end...i couldnt be more excited to watch them.....this isnt like watching the phillies
oh and still waiting on who you would have taken at 3 & 10
i would have been fine with exum or literally anyone else. im not a draft expert, couldnt tell you who is going to be good or not.
again with 10 i was fine with saric, so long as they had something to show with the 3.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2014, 12:30:02 PM
ill be watching NN hopefully develop....this is a huge year for MCW....i need to see improvement there especially with the shot....and im really looking forward to the crazy athletic wings they got especailly on the defensive end...i couldnt be more excited to watch them.....this isnt like watching the phillies
how much can they develop with 2 nba players on the roster? they are going to lose 60 games again and continue this losing culture hinkie has created. what are you going to see out of mcw playing with nba dl talent in games where his team in down by 20 and that mean nothing in the standings?
i didnt want them to make the playoff this year either, but im not sure what you can get out of this season. they are 3 years away from hinkie's "master plan" coming to fruition....this year means nothing.
no this year they have valid nba talent because of the draft and especially if they keep thad...shooting guard is a massive whole tho
in no way am i saying they are going to be good but they will be competitive and really watchable....this wont be last year because last year they were chasing a draft with multiple superstar potential at the top...thats not the case next year...this is a developmental year last year was a tank year
also while you dont get to see much of him its important to remember saric is playing in an excellent pro league in the tbl for the best team....he isnt hurt like embiid and will be having a big developmental year of his own
the plan is coming together....
ill tell you what, kiddo. you spend your winter months watching this garbage, ill wait until the draft to see what injured big man hinkie drafts next. well compare notes.
your notes dont include what youd actually have done that hinkie hasnt...so we wont be comparing anything...
youll just be blindly waiting for them to fail so you can say i told you so....man that sounds like fun
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Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2014, 12:48:22 PM
your notes dont include what youd actually have done that hinkie hasnt...so we wont be comparing anything...
youll just be blindly waiting for them to fail so you can say i told you so....man that sounds like fun
i dont want them to fail. but im not blindly buying into this middle finger to competent basketball that hinkie is pulling. if in 3 years they are the best thing ever then build sam a shrine for all i care.
you were the most skeptical person in the universe with chip. still are. waiting to pounce on him for anything. they went 10-6 and won the division. but with your beloved sixers you cant wait to watch them lose 65 games. I DONT GET YOU.
i was also skeptical of hinkie until he started making moves....i can only go on what ive seen and so far hes knocked the ball out of the park every time....the draft nite trade with orlando was especailly amazing...if chip goes 13-3 this season after losing pimp then i will be all in on him as well
the general anger among fans who don't like this plan is sarich instead of McDermott. I'm so sick of hearing about how they could have taken McDermott and he could play this year...so what. Hinkie thinks Sarich is better for the long term. Maybe he's wrong, maybe he's right but I couldn't care less about taking the guy who gives instant gratification.
sixer mini camp roster for the orlando summer league starting this weekend...kinda disappointed that kj isnt on it...but nerlens debut is huge....until he blows out his knee again
pf - nerlens noel
g - casper ware
f - ronald roberts
g - aaron craft
g - isaiah sykes
f - hollis thompson
g - travis bader
f - jerami grant
g - jakarr sampson
f - talib zanna
f - ed daniel
f - jamelle hagins
f - melvin ejim
g - pierre jackson
sat - 100 - orlando
sun - 500 - okc
tues - 700 - houston
wed - 500 - brooklyn
fri - championship day - tbd
i assume that kj will play in vegas?
Quote from: SunMo on July 01, 2014, 01:30:58 PM
the general anger among fans who don't like this plan is sarich instead of McDermott. I'm so sick of hearing about how they could have taken McDermott and he could play this year...so what. Hinkie thinks Sarich is better for the long term. Maybe he's wrong, maybe he's right but I couldn't care less about taking the guy who gives instant gratification.
there isnt a single basketball person who had mcdermott rated as a better prospect than saric....some mocks had him go higher because of the turkey deal saric signed but no one thinks mcdermott is a better prospect...and thats what the sixers need prospects...yeah last year counts...i mean they got mcw and nn but really the building process started with this draft...in other words we are a week into the "plan"...from here on out you are trying to develop talent to win in five years
Quote from: SunMo on July 01, 2014, 01:34:18 PM
i assume that kj will play in vegas?
youd have to assume so but they havent made any pronouncements re: vegas
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2014, 12:13:47 PM
so name the guys you would have taken at 3 and 10 instead of just saying hinkie sucks they will never win
There's only 2 ways they could have gone at 3, imo. Either Draft Embiid, which they did, or trade back and aquire more assets....Maybe a 2015 1st and 2nd, or 2 future firsts.
There was no one else in this draft that they should have taken at 3. Not even Exum. I still had a preference of trading back, and maybe they tried really hard but no one would bite, but Embiid is the guy and I'm still excited about him, even though I'm still very concerned about his health. But I guarantee no one here watches more KU than I do, and when he was healthy, he was legit in the middle. Still pretty raw, but unbelievable potential. Even if his offensive game never fully develops, his ability to protect the rim is going to be pretty unique in the current NBA.
It's been pretty mediocre since AI was traded and the only 2 ways to fix it were to be major players in free agency, which costs a lot of money, or be really bad for a couple of years and collect a bunch of young talent and hope that 2 or 3 of them are studs. 1 bad free agent signing can kill your franchise. Every one of them needs to be a home run or else you're in cap hell for 3 or 4 years. But the Sixers will have like 12 or so total Draft picks over a 3 year period and they only need to hit on 3 of them. It's much easier to bat .250 then it is to bat 1.000. So yeah, I'll sit back and chill for a few years of bad hoops because of the potential to not just put a good team on the floor, but to change the entire culture of an organization.
oh they are going to make power moves in the free agency and trade markets one day...they arent just relying on all these young guys to turn into superstars...but obviously now is not the time to do that
this summer i want to see them be a facilitator in helping teams either bag a free agent or as the third team in a sign and trade where they can pick up some future firsts for taking on salary
QuoteThere are some notable exceptions from that list, including 2014 draftees K.J. McDaniels and Jordan McRae. The Sixers intend to form two (mostly) separate squads, one going to Orlando and one going to Vegas, and intentionally split-up draftees and invitees to form two mostly separate teams. Both McDaniels and McRae should be in Vegas. There are some players who may go to both, such as Nerlens Noel. The Las Vegas Summer League roster has yet to be officially announced.
One player who may go to Vegas is Arsalan Kazemi, as reported by John Gonzalez of Comcast SportsNet. Kazemi spent the year in his native Iran, playing for Petrochimi, where he averaged 13.1 points, 11.1 rebounds, and 2.2 steals in 28.3 minutes per game. He averaged 9.3 points, 9.9 rebounds, and 2.1 steals during his senior season at Oregon.
Yeah, I'm just talking about building the nucleus of the team through the Draft, then adding through free agency once you have talent that would be attractive to some top level players.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2014, 02:09:32 PM
oh they are going to make power moves in the free agency and trade markets one day...they arent just relying on all these young guys to turn into superstars...but obviously now is not the time to do that
this summer i want to see them be a facilitator in helping teams either bag a free agent or as the third team in a sign and trade where they can pick up some future firsts for taking on salary
lol false hope is a wonderful thing to have
hinkie is going to do whatever he wants. the owner is busy throwing orgy parties at the hamptons, the coach isnt even allowed in the draft room, the fans do not care about their record. hinkie is the exact type of baseball saber nerd you whine about swinging fantasy sports trades (billy beane) except its for your beloved sixers so of course its awesome! goooo team!
what the sixers are doing is as anti-philly as you can get. but the fanbase seems to think the alternative is the 7 seed so lets all wait 5 years to be competitive because thats the only way to possibly win.
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this is like a religion debate...or gun control...or womens health rights...or pitching decisions....i cant win
see you in a year for the next draft letdown, sheep. tank 2. lets do this!!
As someone who has the 76er's as my 4th favorite city team, I gotta say I loved the draft. Hinkie is accumulating assets, going for value, dude is a wheeler and dealer. Had Embid not jacked his foot up they would have ended up getting Wiggins, but thats now the cards that played out, and he took Value over immediate return. I'm fine with that in any sport, especially when you're rebuilding from the ground up.
Releasing James Anderson is stupid.
james anderson is god awful.....jeremy lin should be their two guard...houston needs to dump his salary bad...hinkie magic rapeage could be in effect
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 01, 2014, 04:51:02 PM
Releasing James Anderson is stupid.
is this like the nate scheerholtz thing....both of them arent any good
I'm sorry...I think I saw Havas advocate the acquisition of Jeremy Lin.
Are my contacts ripped?
well obviously hed have to come with a bunch of draft picks to make it worth it....but yes getting lin or boozer or any other player that would allow them to also get a bunch of future picks are the kinds of things they need to do this offseason
goodie! lets get more picks! in fact lets stop fielding a team and just recruit teenagers. see you in 2025!
Yeah I get the theory to stack picks and build from the ground up. But Hinkie has to put NBA talent on the floor. He can sign players who have NBA game and also grow the young bucks.
Start acquiring players. Not washed up vets.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 01, 2014, 07:35:24 PM
I'm sorry...I think I saw Havas advocate the acquisition of Jeremy Lin.
Are my contacts ripped?
Hinkle saw him up close and personal in Houston, so it might not be totally out of the question. Too bad Chinks had to change their name.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 01, 2014, 07:35:24 PM
I'm sorry...I think I saw Havas advocate the acquisition of Jeremy Lin.
Are my contacts ripped?
Hinkle saw him up close and personal in Houston, so it might not be totally out of the question. Too bad Chinks had to change their name.
it would have nothing to do with lin himself...they would acquire him merely to garner future draft picks
zach lowe:
QuoteWatching Philly next season is going to be awful. It is only for the NBA's jittery League Pass fiends watching four games at once, tweeting, and chugging Red Bull. But watching Philly over the next half-decade is going to be amazing.
grantland has this awesome special where they had cameras in the kings war room for the draft this year and actually a bunch of nerdy basketball kids advising their war room as well....its pretty good....but one of things you see during it is hinkie magic offering ten and (2) twos for 8....pete d'ambrosio their gm basically says farg off and laughs at the offer
also holy shtein is vivek annoying as hell....i saw him on sixty minutes and he seems like a good cat but i would not wanna work for him...he literally is playing fantasy basketball with a pro sports franchise
SO IS HINKIE
Meaning they wanted Vonleh or Stauskas at 8. I'm assuming Vonleh.
def vonleh cause he was dropping
Yeah I like stauskas and think he'll be solid but I wanted Vonleh once he started to fall. I think he has the biggest upside after the top four.
i just dont think hinkie magic would give up assets unless it was for a player who shouldnt be there like vonleh...he would look at that as a steal whereas staukus actually went a little higher than expected
hinkie magic on wip at 5:15
Hopefully Angelo and Eskin will shut the farg up about Hinkie not talking now.
if the rockets get carmelo, their first round pick is not going to be high. seems kind of like a worthless deal to me unless i'm missing somethig. although i guess the asian contingent could be a boost to whats going to be horrible sixers attendance next year.
I bet some games they'll struggle to have 1000 people in the seats
Quote from: phattymatty on July 02, 2014, 02:53:05 PM
if the rockets get carmelo, their first round pick is not going to be high. seems kind of like a worthless deal to me unless i'm missing somethig. although i guess the asian contingent could be a boost to whats going to be horrible sixers attendance next year.
they might be looking at getting like 3-4 picks or something....cant imagine theyd take on lin's salary for the 26th pick in 2014 and thats it
yeah it would be a lot more than just a one next year....in fact future ones would probably be 2-3 years out
i believe in the iguoadala trade last year utah got (2) ones and (3) twos for facilitating
having 800 picks over the next decade will ensure that hinkie will never have to try to win ever. his dream come true. every year they are 2 years away from being good. 123456ers!!
Quote from: MDS on July 02, 2014, 03:06:17 PM
hinkie will never have to try to win ever
actually if you dont want to win in the nba you get rid of assets and run your salary cap thru the roof....kind of what the sixers have done for the last 15 years....hinkie magic is acting really weird for a guy who doesnt ever want a winning team
do the sixers or eagles have a better chance of winning a title first
eagles of course
the worst team in the nfl has a better chance of winning first than the sixers or any other zesty nba team for that matter
you literally know nothing about how the nba works (and apparently the nfl either) which is cool in general but amazing for someone who is trying his very hardest to critique an NBA gm
you also realize that the sixers arent guaranteed of ever winning right?...in fact thers probably like a 5% chance that this all works out and they win a title....but that doesnt change the fact that the plan currently in motion has been flawless
i wonder if nate silver would validate your 5% number and the math behind it
can you two just fist eachother and get it over with
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Quote from: phattymatty on July 02, 2014, 02:53:05 PM
if the rockets get carmelo, their first round pick is not going to be high. seems kind of like a worthless deal to me unless i'm missing somethig. although i guess the asian contingent could be a boost to whats going to be horrible sixers attendance next year.
they might be looking at getting like 3-4 picks or something....cant imagine theyd take on lin's salary for the 26th pick in 2014 and thats it
The Rockets have the Pelicans pick in the Asik trade. It's lottery protected but we could own that shtein again.
both sides of the coin....
QuoteAs a person, Sixers general manager and president of basketball operations Sam Hinkie is probably the furthest thing removed from polarizing. Careful but informative with his words, usually well dressed but in an understated fashion, private and uncontroversial away from work, Hinkie is rather ordinary.
Yet when the subject changes to the manner in which the man chooses to run his basketball team, Hinkie is a freaking lightning rod.
In effect, last week's NBA Draft pushed both sides of Sixers supporters farther apart. To some, Hinkie is laying the groundwork for a run that will rival Will Ferrell's SNL tenure, one culminating in the basketball equivalent of three "Best Of" DVD specials. To others, he's Ron Burgundy, fresh off telling Philadelphia to, well, you know. Of course, a significant portion of the fanbase is somewhere in the middle of those two extremes, but they're not nearly as much fun to write about.
Personally, I find myself leaning heavily toward the former camp, but also don't begrudge anyone who is upset about the prospect of being initially unable to tangibly experience the payoff of a painful rebuilding season. Hinkie and the ownership group are asking for a remarkable amount of patience from the fans, and as Kyle did an excellent job laying out the other day, patience isn't fun.
More than anything, what stinks about the Sixers' draft is that it's going to be harder to monitor the progress of their grand rebuilding project. If Andrew Wiggins and Noah Vonleh were running the two-man game to perfection in 2014-15, we'd feel better about the franchise's long-term prospects. If they both looked completely lost, a decent bit of doubt might creep in. There would be something, though.
As fans, we have a little bit of Bill Lumbergh in our makeup. We want the ability to consistently monitor those pesky progress reports, which Hinkie can't provide while his two lottery picks aren't in a Sixers uniform. Joel Embiid might be the next great two-way big man, or he might break down as soon as he tries to Dream Shake. Dario Saric might be great in Europe, but there will always be uncertainty about when or if he'll come to Philadelphia. Those two situations are unlikely to change in the next year.
So, I guess the pressing question is, "What exactly have we learned so far?"
The Sixers are way more patient than the average NBA franchise. Like, way more. Levin already touched on this, but it can't be said enough: Embiid's injury and Saric's overseas obligation were major reasons that the two prospects fell to picks 3 and 12, but they weren't the primary motivations behind their selections. Instead of "Let's go get the guys who can't play right away," the mindset was more like, "Let's not automatically disqualify these guys because they can't play right away." There's a difference between the two, and Nerlens Noel could very well provide an example of patience being rewarded on the court in 2014-15.
In the big picture, next season doesn't matter nearly as much as getting the picks right. Still, a few observers went as far as to speculate that the Sixers were scared off by the possibility of a player like Doug McDermott initially improving the team and therefore drastically reducing their 2015 lottery odds. Even if Hinkie had some of those fears, which he didn't, anyone on the board at 10 wouldn't have significantly moved the needle for a team like the Sixers in his rookie year.
Hinkie holding such a narrow-minded viewpoint is a tough sell. It's totally reasonable to believe that someone like McDermott will be a better pro than Saric - LB didn't think so before the draft, for what it's worth - but similar to the Embiid pick, the Sixers simply took the player they believed would pay the most dividends in the long term. We'll see if they're right.
The rebuild is still in its early stages. Hinkie took over on May 14, 2013. Much has happened since then, but it was only 14 months ago when nobody in Philadelphia had even the slightest inkling about Daryl Morey's consigliere. Compared to recent Sixers history, the time frame is equivalent to one 40-win season and harmless first-round playoff exit.
In terms of the rebuilding timeline that Sixers head coach Brett Brown has often candidly described (to the chagrin of Hinkie, I'd imagine), we're somewhere between one-third and one-fifth complete. While there are valid concerns about how fielding an uncompetitive roster will affect Noel and Michael Carter-Williams' development, the Sixers were never going to resemble anything close to a finished product at this point.
Also, don't count out Hinkie making slight roster improvements through free agency with the bushels of cap room he's been hoarding. Celtics guard Avery Bradley is precisely the type of player that would make some sense, for example.
As it stands, the organization is very stable. It probably didn't seem so when the Casper Ware's and Dewayne Dedmon's of the world were being shipped in and out of town in ten-day increments, but the infrastructure is already solidly in place.
There's a reason that rebuilding projects of this magnitude never really happen: It's extremely rare for an ownership group, front office, and coaching staff all to be on the exact same page like they are over at PCOM. Look at the current mess in Milwaukee, for instance.
All types of franchises struggle with forms of structural conflict and balancing competing values. In Golden State, the organization can't come to a consensus on whether they should include Klay Thompson in a Kevin Love trade (Yeah, they should). Mikhail Prokhorov is now pushing Billy King to cut spending after having him solely work under the mandate that money is literally no object. Dell Demps is still under pressure to win now in the brutal Western Conference, first-round picks be damned. Cleveland.
Hinkie, Brown, and owner Josh Harris all seem to be striving for the same goal. That alone is an advantage in today's NBA.
Process does not automatically guarantee results. I liked Hinkie's thinking in the last two drafts, but he still took some big risks. Intelligent and calculated risks for my money, but risks nonetheless. It's like the scene in Zero Dark Thirty where the CIA brass is huddled around a big table trying to project the final mission's success rate. There'd be no room for Jessica Chastain's certainty in any discussion about the Sixers.
Still, if you're looking for certainty in team-building, it doesn't really exist at the highest levels. Nothing outside of signing LeBron James or Kevin Durant in free agency guarantees anything in terms of contention. That's equally important to remember.
Like it or not, the franchise is more relevant than it has been in a long time. This is quite a bit of irony: The general manger who distances himself from the media and takes public relations completely out of the equation has made the team more noteworthy than anytime since Allen Iverson was playing in the 2001 NBA Finals.
During Hinkie's short tenure, no publicity has been bad publicity. Thanks to the infamous 26-game losing streak, even casual sports fans know exactly how the Sixers are attempting to build their roster. Turn on any NBA coverage for a little while and you're bound to stumble across a mention of the only team in the NBA that actively escaped the middle.
The lottery and draft captivated the Delaware Valley. There was consistent basketball discussion on the two major sports radio stations, increased coverage in all of the local newspapers, and expanded Sixer-centric content on Comcast SportsNet. This level of interest simply wasn't present during the years when Mo Harkless and Nikola Vucevic were the team's first-round picks.
The Sixers are different, and people generally like to talk about things that are different. Similar to Howard Stern's early radio days, whether someone likes or hates what the Sixers are doing, they're generally interested to see what happens next.
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Rick Moranis in Spaceballs?
SD after he got hit in the head by one of the windmills at the Linc?
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LBJ dissed him hard. Hasn't responded in 3 days.
donovan mcnabb only wishes he could be this funny