farging horrible.
The Giants are working Rhodes out tomorrow. I'm sure they'll sign him and he'll stick it to us. Surprised super lib Lurie didn't force Howie to sign him to make a statement about gays. He has to be better than Allen plus he could be a band aid until they can draft someone who can cover.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/why-doesn-t-kerry-rhodes-job-nfl-002216784--nfl.html
I'm not going to claim that the secondary is chock full of talent or anything, and the one dude who might have some value decided to commit seventeen pass interferences yesterday, but when receivers are open by 5-10 yards for the entire game regardless of down, distance or field position, the farging defensive coordinator needs to be blamed as much or more than the players.
they are who we thought they were
the chargers didn't take one long shot down the field that i remember. i don't know why they didn't have the corners play press and blitz the shtein of them and see what happens. they blitzed plenty, but they played soft coverage and it every drive was a slow death
Quote from: rjs246 on September 16, 2013, 10:23:43 AM
I'm not going to claim that the secondary is chock full of talent or anything, and the one dude who might have some value decided to commit seventeen pass interferences yesterday, but when receivers are open by 5-10 yards for the entire game regardless of down, distance or field position, the farging defensive coordinator needs to be blamed as much or more than the players.
I might be in the minority here but there's enough talent on D to be adequate. When I say adequate I mean a top 20 defense. Right now they're in the 30 range, if you look at the history of Billy Davis defenses they're right where he always ranks.
Quote from: SunMo on September 16, 2013, 10:40:51 AM
the chargers didn't take one long shot down the field that i remember. i don't know why they didn't have the corners play press and blitz the shtein of them and see what happens. they blitzed plenty, but they played soft coverage and it every drive was a slow death
The Chargers have free reign off the snap, the Eagles corners barely make an effort to bump them at the line.
And farging Cary Williams is infuriating to watch. He has good coverage on these PI calls but he insists on grabbing the receivers jersey.
Quote from: SunMo on September 16, 2013, 10:40:51 AM
the chargers didn't take one long shot down the field that i remember. i don't know why they didn't have the corners play press and blitz the shtein of them and see what happens. they blitzed plenty, but they played soft coverage and it every drive was a slow death
which is pretty much alex smith to a tee
chargers never had to take a long shot down the field when youre getting open at will in stride across the middle on 20+ yard pass plays
corners arent strong enough to play press and damn sure arent fast enough. they cant make up the speed necessary if they did play press and the receiver gets passed them off the los, so they are forced to play off. the system rivers plays in is predicated off of 3 step drops--so when your corners suck, combined with weak blitzers...even if they pressed...the sd wr's have the whole middle of the field wide open. they were in a lose lose situation regardless on defense--and should be the case on a weekly basis.
youre seeing the trend around the nfl develop with this no huddle offense and how easy its starting to get to put up points. sure its cute when the eagles do it to somebody else, but it looks even worse against the eagles when the players suck
Quote from: reese125 on September 16, 2013, 11:23:30 AM
chargers never had to take a long shot down the field when youre getting open at will in stride across the middle on 20+ yard pass plays
The slant was open all day long, patterns like that where the middle of the field is wide open is more schematic than it is talent. You have to leave an LB deep or a safety needs to come up to make sure those guys are wide farging open. I just watched the replay and they're either selling out on the blitz or leaving a safety too deep on those patterns.
What is there to say about it, really? I mean, they had a dearth of talent to begin with...and they're using what little they have to run a scheme that doesn't even fit the lack of talent, all coached by a Meh, at best, coordinator. Other than being pissed that the cupboard got this bare, there's not much point in getting worked up. This is what anyone with a brain knew they'd be.
one positive note is they're causing turnovers
What makes this frustrating is the fact that they went whole-sale rebuild this offseason with the coaching staff and decided to go with an unsuccessful retread at DC. Didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now.
Quote from: SD on September 16, 2013, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: reese125 on September 16, 2013, 11:23:30 AM
chargers never had to take a long shot down the field when youre getting open at will in stride across the middle on 20+ yard pass plays
The slant was open all day long, patterns like that where the middle of the field is wide open is more schematic than it is talent. You have to leave an LB deep or a safety needs to come up to make sure those guys are wide farging open. I just watched the replay and they're either selling out on the blitz or leaving a safety too deep on those patterns.
they also have no one who can cover with the possible exception of boykin....their corners are atrocious (yet still not nearly as bad as their safeties)....defense was always going to take a couple years to revamp...loucheiz purifoy please
can tebow play safety ?
Dream scenario
Sign Kerry Rhodes
Trade a 2nd and later pick for Jairus Byrd
Throw Nate Allen into the abyss
Superbowl
The BiLLLLLLs aren't giving up Byrd for a 2. And Davis got schooled on Sunday, that's true, but Vince Lombardi would have gotten woodshedded with that garbage secondary.
I'm all in for Rhodes. And Byrd too if they somehow manage to pry him away from buffalo.
Quote from: SD on September 16, 2013, 03:29:45 PM
Dream scenario
Sign Kerry Rhodes
Trade a 2nd and later pick for Jairus Byrd
Throw Nate Allen into the abyss
Superbowl
Ha. I'm all for making improvements, but you could clone an in-his-prime Ronnie Lott and put him on this defense and you're still not realistically getting a Super Bowl. It might buy you another win or two.
if this defense was ranked 20th the eagles would run the table. they're so bad the team will win 6 games tops.
Maybe I'm being super naive here, but here's two purely gut feelings:
1) Kerry Rhodes isn't gay
2) The reason Kerry Rhodes has not been signed by anyone is not because he might be gay
We'll see how it plays out. I just think people jump to conclusions a bit too much. The fanbase of like 30 teams think this guy could be their savior. I'm not buying it.
savoir roc carmichael just signed off houstons practice squad
fourth rounder from VT two years ago...played high school right down the road from me....cornerback
to make room for carmichael brandon hughes got put on IR
So, literally (LITERALLY) the last thing I ever expected was for this defense to be any good. The secondary is still a total clusterfarg, but that front seven has looked pretty f'ing good for the past few weeks.
Secondary needs help and Williams is as hit or miss of a player as I've ever seen but Fletcher is solid and so is Boykin. Allen has been surprisingly consistent the past month or so. Their biggest need is still a big time pass rusher.
Demeco Ryans should get Pro Bowl consideration
It didn't happen overnight, but they've steadily built up a string of games that makes me not as nauseous.
they are stil 31st in yards and 20th in points. that said you can't deny the improvement.
I don't give a damn about yards. Keep points below 17 and you win in the NFL.
- Jim Johnson
the yardage is still thru the roof but unlike the last couple years they are causing some turnovers which is helping their pts allowed
six straight games allowing 21 or less pts...only team in the nfl to do that
boiyk boiyk has really made that sophomore leap....hes been fantastic
He really has taken it up a notch. Wish he was 3 inches taller, but his vertical really helps. I'll say this, Demeco Ryans is 4th in tackles, and is playing like the guy we hoped he was last year. Nate Allen is not a liability, he's nearly invisible, but he's not a liability as he has been in the past.
like SD said a good pass rusher would make a world of difference.
they have to address that early in next years draft.
Curry has been getting reps and making them count.
The defense is improving, but that's mostly because there was no where to go for that unit besides up. After 4 weeks, they were on pace to challenge the all time record for points allowed in a season. Since the Denver game, they've faced NYG x 2, Tampa, Oak, Dallas, and Green Bay (without Rodgers, Finley, and Cobb), so it's not like they've been shutting down dynamic offenses. Granted, they can only play who is on their schedule, so I'll give them their due for playing well against relatively weak/inconsistent teams, but when you look at the numbers, the Eagles defense has basically been holding their opponents too/close to their season averages for PPG.
NYG: PPG - 18.3 (21 in 1st game & 15 in 2nd game = 18 ppg avg = even)
Dal: PPG - 27.4 (17 in 1st game = below)
TB: PPG - 16.2 (20 = above)
Oak: PPG - 18.4 (20 = above)
GB: PPG - 27.2 (13 = below)
In other words, the Eagles defense has mostly been allowing teams to do what they normally do, which isn't really an impressive display imo. The biggest difference is that they are starting to take the ball away and give the offense more possessions. I'll give them props for holding Dallas to 17 but GB was mash unit that would have hung 40 on the Eagles had they played 2 weeks sooner. They're more mirage than legit, imo.
I disagree with all of this ^
they took it on the chin when they played the Broncos. Since that game they've played with more of an edge.
You can toss out the Oakland game because they played prevent the last 1/3 of the game.
Let's also take into consideration they're on the field more than any other D in the league.
Again, they're not a great D but they're middle of the pack
Navy/Corps sword fight?
popeye battle royale ?
Hello Kitty Hunger Games?
I have no idea what's going on.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A57EcjNCAAAQoiE.jpg)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 13, 2013, 01:01:02 PMIn other words, the Eagles defense has mostly been allowing teams to do what they normally do, which isn't really an impressive display imo.
Average is so far above expectations for this defense. Don't know if it's the coaching or some of the players growing up, or both, but it's okay to feel good about what this unit has done the last several weeks. Anyone who knows the Eagles thought these guys were going to be straight up trash every week. I'm sure they still have some trashy games in them for the end of the season, but there's no harm in enjoying the improvement they have shown.
Oh, I'm enjoying it. But until I see this defense hold a legitimate offense to 21 or less, I'm not going to get very excited about them either. It's not like if they had a do-over with Denver they'd be able to hold them under 35.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 13, 2013, 08:16:29 PM
Oh, I'm enjoying it. But until I see this defense hold a legitimate offense to 21 or less, I'm not going to get very excited about them either.
They held Dallas to 17 despite Barkley throwing up picks every chance he got, and they're 4th in points in the NFL.
Dallas is too up and down. 49 pts one week, 17 the next.
It was a good game by the defense, but they havent been facing elite offenses since Denver.
If you're looking for consistency with high scores, only Denver has that. I'm afraid everyone else on the schedule has had bad games.
they are a terrible defense playing not as terrible as we all thought
YAY!