It appears that Howard Mudd will return per comments from several OL.
Jason Kelce is in a boot and on crutches and may have a Lis Franc injury.
No word on if Washburn will return, but that likely depends on if they remove Castillo from the DC position and who they bring in.
FREE-AGENTS
DeSean Jackson - must re-sign
King Dunlap - don't care one way or the other
Evan Mathis - re-sign
Owen Schmitt - I would like a better FB
Vince Young - get out
Ronnie Brown - cooked; need a better backup (would love to see LaMichael James drafted)
Steve Smith - get out
Victor Abiamiri - get out
Juqua Parker - don't care one way or the other
Derek Landri - must re-sign
Trevor Laws - don't care one way or the other (Caplan hinted the other day he may be re-signed)
Antonio Dixon (RFA) - re-sign
Copycat.
I'd be fine with Smith returning...with another offseason to come back from his injury. he was farging idiotic to come back when he did.
Landri is really underrated. Sure he's not an every down DT but every time he was in he made a play. Would love to see him back.
I think they'll make a legit attempt to re-sign Desean. Whether or not it happens is another story, but I think they make a good effort.
No way they sign 3 new LBs. I think the best case scenario is they sign a vet then spend one of their first 3 picks on a LB. Hopefully they go for an athletic beast and not some small speedy guy who gets pushed around.
Say what you want about Casey Matthews, but I though he played pretty well the last month of the season. Not saying I want him to be a starter but I think he fits the backup/special teamer mold...same goes for Rolle and Chaney. One of the aforementioned 3 is going to be a starter, probably Chaney, now they have to fill the other two holes.
I'm fine with Nate Allen at safety. I know he struggled at times but I think he has the talent to be a good player. They need to find a starting caliber SS. Didn't see enough of Jarrett to know if he can play at this level but if he couldn't get on the field ahead of Kurt Coleman than that's saying something. Bottom line is the offseason needs to revolve around the D...same as last season.
I'd guess that they start both Rolle and Chaney and look for the other guy via FA.
Also - who will Asante Samuel be traded to and what will they get for him?
Rolle and Chaney played pretty well IMO
I'd be fine with both of them starting again next year IF they get a stud or at least above-average player at the 3rd LB spot
juan castillo - die in a fire
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2012, 02:51:49 PM
I'd guess that they start both Rolle and Chaney and look for the other guy via FA.
Also - who will Asante Samuel be traded to and what will they get for him?
I have a bad feeling he stays and DRC leaves via free agency. Thought DRC played well on the outside...not so much in the slot.
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2012, 02:57:17 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2012, 02:51:49 PM
I'd guess that they start both Rolle and Chaney and look for the other guy via FA.
Also - who will Asante Samuel be traded to and what will they get for him?
I have a bad feeling he stays and DRC leaves via free agency. Thought DRC played well on the outside...not so much in the slot.
I can't see them holding onto Asante at 31 and his $11m price tag next year over DRC who's 25 and under contract for a whole lot less thru 2012. It's not like Asante had a spectacular year to make a huge case for keeping him around. Reid's been talking for the last month or so about how DRC is so much better on the outside and all that because that's where he's putting him in 2012.
Thought DRC was a f/a after this season. If not then I'd ship Asante out of town for whatever they can get for him...which is probably a 4th to a desperate team.
Asante already seems to think he's gone.
Lurie press conference tomorrow/today! Fatty? Juan? everybody?
What the F?
Heard while at the gym tonight. Watching the Fiesta Bowl with G. Cobb on the blackberry. Apparently there is a press conference scheduled for tomorrow (Tuesday). Who knows,could be Lurie coming out and saying all is well, AR is the man, etc.
Trying to confirm but I'm sure Ed is out cold.
Lurie to meet reporters Tuesday (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Lurie-to-meet-reporters-Tues.html)
QuoteEagles owner Jeffrey Lurie will meet with reporters at 2:30 p.m. Tuesday and perhaps provide some answers to the questions lingering around his football team.
Don't count on answers that you really want to hear.
Thanks GF. Tried for the past five minutes to post the link. farging iPad.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 03, 2012, 01:23:42 AM
Lurie to meet reporters Tuesday (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Lurie-to-meet-reporters-Tues.html)
QuoteEagles owner Jeffrey Lurie will meet with reporters at 2:30 p.m. Tuesday and perhaps provide some answers to the questions lingering around his football team.
Don't count on answers that you really want to hear.
"I just want to be clear, Andy Reid is still going to be the head coach"
Any other question they throw at him is going to be answered like this:
"We're still evaluating the situation"
QuoteQuote from GCobb: "Normally, Lurie doesn't take center stage during the week after the season unless he's getting ready to make a major announcement. I'm also interested in why Reid didn't meet with the media yesterday. It's strange. Something must be up because Reid just doesn't like to get off schedule if he can help it."
Reid will be fired, Castillo will named head coach.
Quote from: charlie on January 03, 2012, 09:27:09 AM
Reid will be fired, Roseman will named head coach. Castillo will be named owner. Lurie will be named starting QB. They'll trade up for RG3 and convert him to DT. DeSean will be franchised, then released. Maclin will shoot Brandon Graham in the stomach and Joe Banner will be named Smartest Man in the Room.
My guess is Lurie feels bad that Reid has taken so much heat this season and wants some of the blame put on him. It's admirable but at the same time it's ego driven. No way he's firing Reid and no way we're getting any answers regarding anything. He's going to give the "I just want to be clear in my support for Andy" response and the "If you ask other teams/owners/coaches what they think of Coach Reid you'll know that he's the very best candidate to coach the Philadelphia Eagles".
Reporter: Jeff, can you shed some light on the Juan Castillo situation?
Jeff: We're going to evaluate all phases of the organization. That evaluation is still in the process. The season just ended Sunday. We have a few months to go over all of that.
Reporter: Jeff, do you want Desean Jackson back?
Jeff: Like I said, we're evaluating all phases of the team. Do we want Desean back? Yes, every team would love to have one of the top playmakers in the league. We'll talk with his agent to see if we can get something done.
This is the type of shtein to expect. Any thing speculative about Reid leaving would have leaked by now.
Only advance rumor about the Lurie presser is that there will be no change in Reid's status, per McLane.
I expect this will be a whole lot of nothing.
Same as it ever was.
psyche
Why is he even doing this?
Quote from: SD on January 03, 2012, 02:39:15 PM
psyche
Ha.
Reid stays: "The best coach to try to win a championship."
Coaching staff is "up to Andy."
what a horrible presser - buildup for the obvious
great question was just asked - paraphrasing - "jeff, how can you let your coach answer his post game questions with such arrogance when he isnt asnwering them for the media - he is speaking to fans who just left the game, fans who support your team, etc...?"
obviously, he defended fattie, but I like that he is even getting these questions. I really think his head has been in the sand long enough - time to start acting like an owner.
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I'm ok with Lurie's decision. Mostly, because I haven't a clue who they would get that would be a better all-around coach than Reid. Gruden's a guy I've always liked. Cowher. Who else is really an improvement?
And don't just say "ANYONE" because it's a fat load of shtein and you know it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 03, 2012, 03:09:07 PM
And don't just say "ANYONE" because it's a fat load of shtein and you know it.
They need a good defensive coach and this guy needs money, so how about Jerry Sandusky?
all buttsex aside, that would actually be a great hire
Key piece of logic missing, though. The built-in threat of "win a Super Bowl or get ravaged anally" will not work on Vick, whose ass is probably 5 times wider than it was prior to the Leavenworth stint.
3 days in and a POTY nominee
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HA! 2012 is gonna be swell.
lol
Just hire Spagnuolo and keep Reid.
The Eagles have already solved their defensive woes. Trevard Lindley is BACK.
How happy are the Flyers that no ones talking about blowing a 2 goal lead in the biggest game of the season.
It isn't about replacing Reid with someone that's automatically better, but replacing Reid with someone who could be better. Reid has reached his ceiling and is now struggling to reach his floor both literally and figuratively.
Someone else might win a superbowl here. Reid won't ever win a superbowl here.
Probably right, but I actually do believe that Reid has the best chance to win one with this core of players. If they fall short next year, it's time to rebuild.
This decision was easy for Jeff because Reid is still under contract. Unless he gets or wins a SB next season he's done. Explaining why he's keeping him is easy, explaining another extension which is what would have to happen for him to stay is a whole nother deal.
It's like finding out your 10 year prison stretch is actually 11.
Lurie is a punk bitch coward. This is on him now.
I'm developing a pretty big man crush on Spike Eskin.
QuoteEagles fans, claiming to be tired of the "same old thing," continue to make "gold standard" jokes.
lol @ not being able to find someone better than reid....he might not be in the top 20 game coaches in the league right now
granted hes probably in the top five monday to saturday coaches but lets not pretend they couldnt easily find someone better...thats not to say that the FO would find someone better but best believe theres many better coaches
i mean who could have ever replaced bill cowher in pittsburgh....certainly not mike tomlin
the ironic part is reid was a qb coach when hired and became a good coach yet theres no one on the planet right now that couldnt be better than him
wtf?
I happen to think that they're better keeping him because there is way too much of a risk in dumping him and not getting the right guy. Could you get a Tomlin? Sure. But I'd bet that the odds are better you get some slappy who they'd have to fire in 3yrs because he sucks.
Keep Reid and let him dump Juanny for Spags and have another year with this group.
Because even if they did dump Reid - Joey B and Howie are still going to call shots.
All well and good except they're going to lose Pimp & Asante and replace them with lesser players.
I'm tired of excuses, tired of pronouncements, tired of Lurie, Banner, Roseman, Reid and everyone else connected with that farging team.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2012, 07:08:26 PM
I happen to think that they're better keeping him because there is way too much of a risk in dumping him and not getting the right guy. .
actually the odds of getting a better in game coach are pretty much 100%
just out of curiosity in your opinion when will the year be where the odds are in favor of getting a coach better than andy...or are you saying they should keep him forever
such a loser mentality by too many people within the organization and by too much of the fanbase...until that changes they will never win
Only chance they had to keep Pimp was to keep Reid.
No, not forever.
But with this team I think he fits them best. I worry about getting a re-tread who sucks or a young guy who ends up being in over his head and setting the team further back than they are now.
I believe that Reid with this core group plus a new DC and a few other players is the best option right now.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2012, 07:19:15 PM
No, not forever.
But with this team I think he fits them best. I worry about getting a re-tread who sucks or a young guy who ends up being in over his head and setting the team further back than they are now.
I believe that Reid with this core group plus a new DC and a few other players is the best option right now.
wait hes coached this core for like 150 days....that gives him some sort of special bond with them?
and he just missed the playoffs with that core
what the farg kind of foundation is that to support him coaching them again?
first you said they could never get a better coach than andy now its because he needs to stay with this "core"
im confused
Yeah I don't think you can get much worse as an in game coach, I think they have spent at least 3 timeouts on punts in the last two seasons.
Funny thing is they had a great coach here under their noses for years in Harbaugh, how many would love to see him as the HC?
Either way, I'd be happy for him. One way would make me happier for myself.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 03, 2012, 07:23:21 PM
Yeah I don't think you can get much worse as an in game coach, I think they have spent at least 3 timeouts on punts in the last two seasons.
Funny thing is they had a great coach here under their noses for years in Harbaugh, how many would love to see him as the HC?
great point on harbaugh...its so hard to find a better coach than andy unless you look on your own staff
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2012, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2012, 07:19:15 PM
No, not forever.
But with this team I think he fits them best. I worry about getting a re-tread who sucks or a young guy who ends up being in over his head and setting the team further back than they are now.
I believe that Reid with this core group plus a new DC and a few other players is the best option right now.
wait hes coached this core for like 150 days....that gives him some sort of special bond with them?
and he just missed the playoffs with that core
what the farg kind of foundation is that to support him coaching them again?
first you said they could never get a better coach than andy now its because he needs to stay with this "core"
im confused
The players here, on this team now, I believe he has the best chance of anyone else right now to win with them. I don't feel like an overhaul on the staff would make them better. Change the DC and get better in the problem areas and see what happens. That is what I feel most comfortable with.
I want them gutted. Reid gone, Roseman gone, Banner gone. All new coordinators as well.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2012, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 03, 2012, 07:23:21 PM
Yeah I don't think you can get much worse as an in game coach, I think they have spent at least 3 timeouts on punts in the last two seasons.
Funny thing is they had a great coach here under their noses for years in Harbaugh, how many would love to see him as the HC?
great point on harbaugh...its so hard to find a better coach than andy unless you look on your own staff
He gave their fans a "game ball" could you imagine the Eagles doing that?
id rather have a good coach with a horrible personality than a bad coach with a good one but a bonus byproduct of whenever reid does go is that whoever they get is almost assured of having a better relationship with the fans
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2012, 07:29:41 PM
The players here, on this team now, I believe he has the best chance of anyone else right now to win with them. I don't feel like an overhaul on the staff would make them better. Change the DC and get better in the problem areas and see what happens. That is what I feel most comfortable with.
i guess we just disagree...if they had a good team who lost in the nfc champ game or superbowl this year i could see not changing...but how important is continuity when you are talking about a team and coach who barely know each other and arent very good to begin with
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2012, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2012, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2012, 07:19:15 PM
No, not forever.
But with this team I think he fits them best. I worry about getting a re-tread who sucks or a young guy who ends up being in over his head and setting the team further back than they are now.
I believe that Reid with this core group plus a new DC and a few other players is the best option right now.
wait hes coached this core for like 150 days....that gives him some sort of special bond with them?
and he just missed the playoffs with that core
what the farg kind of foundation is that to support him coaching them again?
first you said they could never get a better coach than andy now its because he needs to stay with this "core"
im confused
The players here, on this team now, I believe he has the best chance of anyone else right now to win with them. I don't feel like an overhaul on the staff would make them better. Change the DC and get better in the problem areas and see what happens. That is what I feel most comfortable with.
That really doesn't make any sense, though. The only reason these players are on the team is because he brought them here. And people act like someone else coming in can't get more out of the team and players then Reid. The 49ers sucked last year and this year they're the #2 seed in the playoffs and playing great with a NEW head coach that came from the college ranks. This mentality of Reid is the only one that can be successful with this team is retarded.
My interest in 2012's Eagles is already halved just knowing Reid's coming back again and it's rapidly dwindling because I'm tired of the same old shtein year in and year out. I wish there wasn't such a loser mentality associated with the Eagles and so many people being willing to accept mediocrity because there's such a fear of change. Change doesn't automatically equal failure. (And no it doesn't automatically equal success either, but I'd rather roll the dice and have some hope rather than accept mediocrity because I'm unwilling to let someone else change the status quo.)
For those of you in support of canning Reid; who ya got as a replacement?
Mike Mularkey?
Mike Sherman?
mularky
fisher
dave toub
gruden
bill obrien
todd bowles
shtein id be open to almost anyone
i think you could do very well to take a shot at greg williams....hes an excellent defensive coach (which would definitely be my priority) whos first HC stint was with a dysfunctional bills franchise...by no means am i comparing the two but the situation hes in isnt totally different than bellicheks was when he was hired by new england after having coached in cleveland
It doesn't really matter who.... that's the point people keep glossing over. Any name anyone throws out there is going to be met with a litany of excuses and reasons why *that* guy won't be better than Reid is now while ignoring that Reid was a nobody (as a head coach) before he got hired.
Did you know who Andy Reid was before he became the coach because I sure as hell didn't. Sure the next guy might be worse. But he might be better. The whole point is it's INSANE to keep Reid because you're (generic you there) afraid of losing the winning ways that the Eagles haven't had in years anyway. Keep in mind, the only reason the team last made the playoffs is because they backed in similar to how Denver did this year.
You don't keep Reid because you're afraid the next guy might not be better. That's a loser mentality. You get rid of Reid because he can't get the job done and the next guy might be able to. The lack of a guarantee shouldn't preclude making a change. Nothing is guaranteed in life, but only losers and failures refuse to try and make a change for the better when the current situation is obviously not working.
Mike McMahon.
Is there another Harbaugh out there looking for a job? How about the Lesser Ryan from Dallas? I'd say give Mike Nolan another shot if he hadn't just taken a new job.
Quote from: TexasEagle on January 03, 2012, 08:09:24 PM
It doesn't really matter who.... that's the point people keep glossing over. Any name anyone throws out there is going to be met with a litany of excuses and reasons why *that* guy won't be better than Reid is now while ignoring that Reid was a nobody (as a head coach) before he got hired.
Did you know who Andy Reid was before he became the coach because I sure as hell didn't. Sure the next guy might be worse. But he might be better. The whole point is it's INSANE to keep Reid because you're (generic you there) afraid of losing the winning ways that the Eagles haven't had in years anyway. Keep in mind, the only reason the team last made the playoffs is because they backed in similar to how Denver did this year.
You don't keep Reid because you're afraid the next guy might not be better. That's a loser mentality. You get rid of Reid because he can't get the job done and the next guy might be able to. The lack of a guarantee shouldn't preclude making a change. Nothing is guaranteed in life, but only losers and failures refuse to try and make a change for the better when the current situation is obviously not working.
truest post in this thread
The fundamental disagreement here is whether you think the coach will improve the team's chances with the likely players and FO personnel around him. I think that if this core of players and Banner/Roseman have any chance to win a Super Bowl, Reid is the best bet. Different story if Lurie were willing to clean house.
I would fire... The entire coaching staff.
Banner.
Roseman.
Vick.
Since the last three guys are sticking around for 2012, Reid is the best hope to win it. Despite his heft and in-game idiocy.
Quote from: TexasEagle on January 03, 2012, 08:09:24 PM
It doesn't really matter who.... that's the point people keep glossing over. Any name anyone throws out there is going to be met with a litany of excuses and reasons why *that* guy won't be better than Reid is now while ignoring that Reid was a nobody (as a head coach) before he got hired.
Did you know who Andy Reid was before he became the coach because I sure as hell didn't. Sure the next guy might be worse. But he might be better. The whole point is it's INSANE to keep Reid because you're (generic you there) afraid of losing the winning ways that the Eagles haven't had in years anyway. Keep in mind, the only reason the team last made the playoffs is because they backed in similar to how Denver did this year.
You don't keep Reid because you're afraid the next guy might not be better. That's a loser mentality. You get rid of Reid because he can't get the job done and the next guy might be able to. The lack of a guarantee shouldn't preclude making a change. Nothing is guaranteed in life, but only losers and failures refuse to try and make a change for the better when the current situation is obviously not working.
Truth but what's really being glossed over is the Eagles have no chance, ever, with Banner Inc.
They can win with banner, the phillies won with Montgomery
They can't win with roseman. Or Reid.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 03, 2012, 09:26:20 PM
I think that if this core of players and Banner/Roseman have any chance to win a Super Bowl, Reid is the best bet. Different story if Lurie were willing to clean house.
Since the last three guys are sticking around for 2012, Reid is the best hope to win it. Despite his heft and in-game idiocy.
i dont get this line of thinking at all...what is your reasonign for this
first of all they have no chance at all to win with this roster...but throw that out for a minute...why does reid banner howie have a better chance next year at the sb than say cowher banner howie
And what's this special core of players people keep talking about? What core on this team has what it takes to even win a sb?
I never said I thought this core was special or that they could/would win a Super Bowl. But I do believe that if they have any chance, Reid is the guy who can milk the most out of them.
With playmakers like Shady and DeSean on the team, a QB that can get the ball to them accurately and efficiently is the best option. Also, the team needs a completely revamped LB corps to compliment the wide nine. Can't tell the ends to get penetration at all costs when the LBs are incapable of shedding blocks and making plays.
Schefter just said that Andy will be the coach for as long as he wants to be. Anyone want to sell me your season tickets?
Quote from: SD on January 03, 2012, 05:48:22 PM
How happy are the Flyers that no ones talking about blowing a 2 goal lead in the biggest game of the season.
LOL in January.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 04, 2012, 08:30:28 AM
Schefter just said that Andy will be the coach for as long as he wants to be.
im being literal when i say this...you know more about the eagles inner workings than schefter
Well, as long as you're asking for my opinion, I really do think that Lurie is giving Andy one last chance in 2012. His contract runs through 2013, and it's rare that a coach sticks around without a contract extension for the last season of the deal.
That said I don't know if Lurie draws the line for next year at "Super Bowl or GTFO" or if an improvement and a playoff berth is all it would take. Of course the latter would be infuriating for all.
he didn't finish the sentence though..
"im being literal when i say this...you know more about the eagles inner workings than schefter...and a rock knows more than you do"
Yeah, but my typing skills are vastly superior.
You can bank on a 5-1 start next year where Reid gets an extension because no coach in the history of coaches can accomplish the great achievements of Andy Reid. Nobody.
Matter of fact I think I need Banner to try and sell me an Andy Reid again.
No one said that. But I honestly think the entire team is broken and with some of the other talent in the NFC right now, it would make the most sense to blow it up and start fresh. I'm not just talking about the front office and Vick either. I'd trade guys like Killa Cole or Babin, Nnamdi, Maclin or Avant, etc and just change the entire culture.
But since that ain't happening, a new coach isn't really worth the change. This Eagles team ran the ball better and more frequently than before. Also, the number of true clock management and challenge snafus was very low. And even the biggest malcontent/contract situation problem smoothed over and has some mild hope for resolution. The players seem to love him, and he is the only person in the organization who can keep the Banner/Roseman combo honest and challenge them when the situation warrants.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 04, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Also, the number of true clock management and challenge snafus was very low.
not really
the san fran game where up 23-3 he passed on eight of nine plays to open the second half particularly stands out but there were all kinds of problems all year...especially with wasted timeouts
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2012, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 04, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Also, the number of true clock management and challenge snafus was very low.
not really
the san fran game where up 23-3 he passed on eight of nine plays to open the second half particularly stands out but there were all kinds of problems all year...especially with wasted timeouts
Wasted timeouts are as much on the QB as the coach. McNabb and now Vick are not exactly what you'd call titans of intellect.
Les Bowen and Jonathan Tamari agree that if Reid was keeping his whole coaching staff, he would have already scheduled his time to say so. So that's something.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 04, 2012, 08:30:28 AM
I never said I thought this core was special or that they could/would win a Super Bowl. But I do believe that if they have any chance, Reid is the guy who can milk the most out of them.
With playmakers like Shady and DeSean on the team, a QB that can get the ball to them accurately and efficiently is the best option. Also, the team needs a completely revamped LB corps to compliment the wide nine. Can't tell the ends to get penetration at all costs when the LBs are incapable of shedding blocks and making plays.
Schefter just said that Andy will be the coach for as long as he wants to be. Anyone want to sell me your season tickets?
You're afraid of change. The biggest reason I want a new coach in here is because he could add a new perspective to what's a stale team. Maybe they take a step backwards with a new guy (your thought process), maybe they take a step forward (everyone else)...but the bottom line is they aren't winning the SB next season so why stay with the guy who is going to get them 10-6?
the only thing i really buy is that next year is probably vick's last year because of his contract, so you might as well give Andy his last shot with the qb he tied himself to. after next year, clean house, get a young qb, take your lumps and get better.
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2012, 10:45:44 AM
the only thing i really buy is that next year is probably vick's last year because of his contract, so you might as well give Andy his last shot with the qb he tied himself to. after next year, clean house, get a young qb, take your lumps and get better.
I love watching Vick play but think Andy Reid has a much better chance to win a Super Bowl as a head coach than Vick does as a QB. And Reid's chances are so-so at best.
So, yes. You're right.
Fearless prognostication: The Eagles trade the farm and go up and get RGIII.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 04, 2012, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2012, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 04, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Also, the number of true clock management and challenge snafus was very low.
not really
the san fran game where up 23-3 he passed on eight of nine plays to open the second half particularly stands out but there were all kinds of problems all year...especially with wasted timeouts
Wasted timeouts are as much on the QB as the coach. McNabb and now Vick are not exactly what you'd call titans of intellect.
are jeff garcia and aj feely also stupid because nothing changed when they were in
there been one constant over the last 13 seasons and thats been horrible game day coaching...im not aware of any constants in that time period other than juany and andy...so since you are defending the head coach and/or passing blame for the game day coaching away from andy im guessing all this time its been the offensive line coaches fault?
Quote from: SD on January 04, 2012, 10:43:04 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 04, 2012, 08:30:28 AM
I never said I thought this core was special or that they could/would win a Super Bowl. But I do believe that if they have any chance, Reid is the guy who can milk the most out of them.
With playmakers like Shady and DeSean on the team, a QB that can get the ball to them accurately and efficiently is the best option. Also, the team needs a completely revamped LB corps to compliment the wide nine. Can't tell the ends to get penetration at all costs when the LBs are incapable of shedding blocks and making plays.
Schefter just said that Andy will be the coach for as long as he wants to be. Anyone want to sell me your season tickets?
You're afraid of change. The biggest reason I want a new coach in here is because he could add a new perspective to what's a stale team. Maybe they take a step backwards with a new guy (your thought process), maybe they take a step forward (everyone else)...but the bottom line is they aren't winning the SB next season so why stay with the guy who is going to get them 10-6?
i dont think the homers are afraid change...i think what it is is that by admitting that the coach needs to go its an indictment on the team they love...if andy were to resign they would be fine but they cant bring themselves to say he should go
by changing coaches you are not ensuring that next year will be any better than last but that doesnt change that fact that there is not a single good reason to not fire reid right farging now
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
there been one constant over the last 13 seasons and thats been horrible game day coaching...im not aware of any constants in that time period other than juany and andy...so since you are defending the head coach and/or passing blame for the game day coaching away from andy im guessing all this time its been the offensive line coaches fault?
i can't fathom how any person who has watched this team over the last 10 years can disagree with this.
everyone was willing to put up with the horrible clock management and play calling for a lot longer than they/we should have just because the team was so bad for so long. plus they were winning for the most part.
but he has not learned how to adjust in the entire time he's been here...what's the point in continuing? he physically makes me sick to look at these days and it's ruining my eagles game enjoyment.
See how farged up it is going 4-0 down the stretch? Wow has it clouded all judgement.
It's only clouded FF's judgement and he's scared of not going 10-6.
Andy can't win a title. Keeping him around because the next guy could be an atrocity is a ridiculous way of thinking. You all have Reid Stockholm syndrome where winning 9 games and making the playoffs is comfort food. The safe route.
It's loser talk and belongs in Indianapolis and Carolina.
So Congrats, your guy gets another year. I hope try 14 is the magic one.
Saying Reid's skillset isn't good enough to win a superbowl is different than saying the eagles could win a superbowl with Reid as coach. Which is where I am at. Reid is not a great coach, but his formula for 10-6 or 11-5 gives them a chance to win a superbowl if they get hot at the right time. He gets 1 more shot to see if that formula is a success. I'm ok with that even though i think it's time for a change.
They have the opportunity to clean house if it doesn't work next season.
The 4-0 finish is a red herring.
offseason quick poll question
how many significant free agents will the team sign this offseason....significant meaning that heading into camp they are the clear favorite to start at their position
A. zero
B. one
C. two
D. other
I'll go with two.
to me its the most interesting question of the offseason....theres this crazy dichotomy of a team that went balls out in FA signings last year yet has gaping holes at multiple positions going into next year
do they get blinded by the fact that they finished 4-0 and had flukey losses so there isnt much to do or do they think they still need to upgrade quite a bit to become a real player
They'll sign a talented but flawed LB who falls through the FA cracks to a one year contract and he'll be the favorite to start because the current linebackers are god awful but ultimately will be insufficient and make all of us irate for several reasons.
I think they go all in next season.
I'm tired of all in, can't they just bet aggressive enough to give bad pot odds?
They'll sign a starter at LB and possibly at WR if Desean leaves.
Backup QB, small linebacker, and a fullback they'll never use. There's free agency.
They'll resign TO and stick him at LB.
Then they'll franchise Jackson and trade him to NE for a 7th round pick.
Then they'll trade Reid's first grandchild to Pittsburgh for Palamalu, then stick him at WR to replace Jackson.
Then they'll resign McNabb to be the backup QB, who will dub the Eagles THE TEAM OF ETERNITY!
Banner will garrote Castillo and coach the defense himself. Sadly, it will be a slight improvement.
I think they go after a QB holding immediate promise. Yes, LB and S, etc. but QB will be the surprise.
I'm resigned to the fact it's always been a detailed 2-year plan. It fits Reid's contract situation and the huge Vick dice-roll. You just don't agree to "wide 9" and take huge flyers on Castillio, etc. without due consideration or commitment. They may be idiots but they are business people. I think Reid/all agreed there will be rough patches - especially early in year one, but probably not to the extent just experienced and especially after they got a bit giddy in August. Luckily, winning those last four games gave them the fig leaf they desperately needed to press onward.
But what I think really didn't go according to plan was serious regressions in Vick's brains and durability. Squirrley QB's are not the plan and they will go get a young QB lined up soon so Reid can have a go at developing him. (And as bonus any 2012 late-season heroics from him after Vick punches out in October might help Cap'n Andy win an extension, too.)
if nothing else andy is pretty astute at judging qb's...i find it hard to believe they havent known from the jump what they had/have in vick...especially after the second half of last year where he began to come back down to earth...imo vick has always been more important to andy off the field than on and from the beginning he was more into remaking the man versus remaking the qb...it became the law firm of garrett britt and vick...or at least a law firms dream
thats not to say that on the field andy and marty didnt look at him as an intriguing qb to work with but they knew they didnt have drew brees and they knew what vick did the first half of last year was a mirage...thus the regressions this season couldnt have suprised them when they saw the onset of them last year
but as for drafting a qb this year...it shouldnt suprise anyone if that happens...kafka is obviously not the future and vick can easily be jettisoned in 2013 as only three mil of his base salary of i think 18 is guaranteed
Per Roob; CB coach Johnny Lynn...fired.
weakest scapegoat EVER
Or beginning of everyone else (minus Washburn) getting the boot on defense
if you want spags, or a dc with any credibility, washburn is gone
wide 9 aint nothin
I prefer Spags over a DL coach...plus Washburn bowed up to Marty and that's a no-no in Andy's world.
washburn is a fraud.....hence the reason hes a 100 year position coach
He's said that he doesn't want to be a DC...
Prediction; Juan Castillo is retained as CB coach.
Lemme guess...you don't believe it.
i believe it...it just cracks me up and further shows how pathetic the guy is
maybe you realize you are not head coach or front office material but jesus if you dont think you can do anything more than coach a position and have no desire to do so then you are a joke and i want no part of you...its one thing to just not be good enough like juany...but at least he wanted the challenge...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2012, 04:39:38 PM
washburn is a fraud.....hence the reason hes a 100 year position coach
YEP! Sick of all this bullshtein in the media about what they'll do with Washburn if they hire Spags. farg him and farg the wide nine. If I never see a DE in that stupid puma about to pounce on its prey position with his head facing up his ass I'll be the happiest man alive.
1000% bullshtein he doesnt want to be a dc
i cant understand not wanting to be a head coach since that comes with so much bullshtein that to some it might not be worth it despite the bump in salary, but there cant be any football coach who goes into the profession just wanting to be a position coach
and if so that coach is a massive loser and should not be anywhere on anyones staff
every coach who doesn't become a coordinator or a head coach is a loser by definition, duh
Quote from: Diomedes on January 07, 2012, 08:34:42 PM
every coach who doesn't become a coordinator or a head coach is a loser by definition, duh
no....anyone who doesnt strive for more than being a position coach is a loser...again some people just arent good enough to do it but to not want to do it is a huge red flag to me
Or the dude realizes he's good when given 8-10 guys to coach up and enjoys working with a smaller group like that instead of trying to run the entire defense.
But no, your reasoning makes more sense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2012, 08:51:42 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 07, 2012, 08:34:42 PM
every coach who doesn't become a coordinator or a head coach is a loser by definition, duh
no....anyone who doesnt strive for more than being a position coach is a loser...again some people just arent good enough to do it but to not want to do it is a huge red flag to me
and its not like the hours or media demands or whatever from dc to dline coach are that different. and wash seemed to like holding court with reporters.
JJ is a perfect example of the norm on this. he was coach for a long time and got to be a dc, had great success, had hc offers and didnt want to deal with offensive gameplanning and all the press conferences and everything, so he stuck to just calling defenses.
washburn wants to stick to coaching 7 players and letting some idiot mexican call the plays. mmmkay.
Quote from: MDS on January 07, 2012, 09:17:24 PM
and its not like the hours or media demands or whatever from dc to dline coach are that different. and wash seemed to like holding court with reporters.
exactly....you cant have it both ways....you cant be a lifetime milquetoast underachiever and then try and bully people and hold pressers....know ya role son
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Washburn doesn't want to be responsible for the whole defense, because his philosophy is to have the defensive line do whatever the hell he wants them to do to get theirs. This is why the team led the league in sacks when only rushing 4 and also gave up huge chunks of yardage on the ground.
I don't think the wide 9 would be such a punchline with linebackers who can actually get off blocks and tackle. You know, playmakers.
thats true but if they ran a traditional 4-3 with better linebackers the defense would be better
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2012, 10:25:49 AM
thats true but if they ran a traditional 4-3 with better linebackers the defense would be better
Agreed to a point, they'd still struggle because they're just not very good but there wouldn't be gaping holes and lineman coming out to pancake the LBs if the D line was occupying the line of scrimmage.
The wide 9 could work if it was modified. Using the wide 9 with a traditional cover 2 is a recipe for disaster that I can't believe they thought would work.
im not anti wide nine...i just dont think its some sort of genius defense...nfl is a copy cat league and if the wide nine was say the 46 or the 3-4 then a whole bunch of people would be using it.....when in fact almost no one runs it
bottom line is good players are good players and if you have enough of them then your defense will be good...hokey shtein like the wide 9 doesnt make a defense good
ff hit it right on the head....its a great defense if you are a d line coach or a defensive end but not so much if you wanna consistently stop the other team
You're not anti wide 9, just anti Jim Washburn who is the Mr. Miyagi of the scheme.
The wide nine is a good idea with the right personnel. Problem is that while the Eagles have good DEs for it, the scheme puts extra pressure on the linebackers, who generally suck. You can't put extra pressure on the already weakest area of the defense.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20120109_Jamaal_Jackson_knows_his_future_is_not_with_the_Eagles.html?ref=twitter.com
has there been a more nondescript 9 year career than his?
that article is burying the lead which is that jj has no future with anyone
Florio speculates; Havas weeps
QuoteOne of the hottest defensive coordinator candidates on the market may decide not to be on the market at all.
In a recent interview with Bryan Burwell of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (via Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News), former Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo mentioned the possibility of taking a year off. His wife, Maria, promptly disagreed. "I know Steve, and I told him no way," she said while laughing. "There's no way he will be able to sit around for a year doing nothing . . . He loves coaching way too much to sit around idly for a year."
But here's the thing. Unless someone is going to pay him more than what the Rams were scheduled to pay Spagnuolo in 2012, he'd be working for free. The Rams owe his full salary for 2012, and the amount owed by the Rams would be diminished, dollar for dollar, if he takes another job in coaching.
Depending on the precise language of his contract, Spagnuolo possibly could get a job in the media or in some other football-but-not-coaching capacity and collect both checks. Still, with the coaching dollars the same whether he coaches in 2012 or not, it makes plenty of sense to take a year off and plot more carefully his next move.
Spagnuolo, who ruled out taking a college football job, has been linked to several possible openings, but he told Burwell he has received no job offers yet.
gargano...who never misses a chance to mention it....is good friends with spags and says he is not taking a year off
by no means does that mean hes coming to the eagles but according to cuz he will be in the nfl next year...he says hes having ego issues moving from head coach back to coordinator
gargano also said that spags wasn't getting fired
Here's what I worry about -- they speculated on the Saints game that Greggggggggg Williams would be moving on to possibly work with his boy Fisher once he lands a job.
I could see Payton making a play for Spags as the DC too.
Quote from: SunMo on January 09, 2012, 02:28:05 PM
gargano also said that spags wasn't getting fired
he did say it many times and he should have chilled with it but hes not gonna go on the radio and talk about his boy getting fired...he wasnt reporting it like the rams owner had told him spags wasnt getting fired...he was saying to have spags back or as if spags didnt think he was getting fired said that to gargano and gargano ran with it
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Here's what I worry about -- they speculated on the Saints game that Greggggggggg Williams would be moving on to possibly work with his boy Fisher once he lands a job.
I could see Payton making a play for Spags as the DC too.
fisher and a big time DC like williams on the same staff seems like overkill....williams is perfect on a team like the saints where the head coach only worries about the offense...hed be perfect for the eagles for this same reason
LaCanfora is reporting that Spags will be back on the Eagles' staff in *some* capacity by end of week. Philly media types note that Andy is on vacation this week, so that is unlikely.
Assistant to the defensive quality control assistant would be my guess.
QB coach
he's going to replace that guy who was fired when he tweeted about dawkins being let go
anything short of defensive coordinator and/or assistant head coach would be a joke
this news alone....if true....would make it a successful offseason
btw and i should be ashamed to even listening to you twitter losers but wip is reporting that spags would not be an eagle by the end of the week...just that he may be visiting philly at some point
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2012, 01:18:23 PM
i should be ashamed listening to wip
Fixed.
Twitter >>>> WIP
And I don't even like Twitter.
If the Eagles brought him in in some sort of "consultant" capacity, would the Rams still be on the hook for his contract salary?
Probably not.
Quote from: Zanshin on January 10, 2012, 01:25:48 PM
If the Eagles brought him in in some sort of "consultant" capacity, would the Rams still be on the hook for his contract salary?
i think that if he's on any teams payroll, his 2012 salary would be deducted from his head coach salary, but the rams would still be on the hook for the difference.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2012, 01:25:01 PM
Twitter >>>> WIP
for unfounded rumors and wild speculation i agree
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2012, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2012, 01:25:01 PM
Twitter >>>> WIP
for unfounded rumors and wild speculation i agree
for wild rumors and unfounded speculation, however, I prefer WIP
Quote from: charlie on January 10, 2012, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on January 10, 2012, 01:25:48 PM
If the Eagles brought him in in some sort of "consultant" capacity, would the Rams still be on the hook for his contract salary?
i think that if he's on any teams payroll, his 2012 salary would be deducted from his head coach salary, but the rams would still be on the hook for the difference.
I don't think that's it. I believe the Rams won't have to pay him a dime if he gets another job, which is why there was the speculation that he might take the year off.
eh. i was going to look it up.. but then lethargy set in. but someone said it on 97.5 yesterday, i dont remember if it was a host or a guest interview.
igy be on Twitter too - he just makes it seems like he doesnt follow
i dont follow....that shtein is for ignorants.....no different than facebook which im also signed up for and go on about once a month...i check out all these places once people start talking about them just to see what its all about...
and they always confirm my worst fears
Twitter is pretty useful...a lot of info on there if you follow the right folk
like brandon graham and shawn andrews
And Riley Cooper. Don't forget him.
I can't wait for Ask an Eagle this offseason.
Quote from: SunMo on January 10, 2012, 04:16:55 PM
like brandon graham and shawn andrews
The "Big Kid" checked in on Sunday to ask what time the Falcons/Giants game kicked off. What the hell would he have done if not for twitter?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2012, 01:43:10 PM
Quote from: charlie on January 10, 2012, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on January 10, 2012, 01:25:48 PM
If the Eagles brought him in in some sort of "consultant" capacity, would the Rams still be on the hook for his contract salary?
i think that if he's on any teams payroll, his 2012 salary would be deducted from his head coach salary, but the rams would still be on the hook for the difference.
I don't think that's it. I believe the Rams won't have to pay him a dime if he gets another job, which is why there was the speculation that he might take the year off.
Charlie was right. The speculation about him taking the year off is based on the fact that he would earn the same whether he coaches somewhere or not, provided it's less than what he was set to earn with the Rams.
Falcons DC left to take the Auburn DC job and Mort says the Falcons would love to hire Spags to be their DC.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2012, 09:56:02 AM
Falcons DC left to take the Auburn DC job and Mort says the Falcons would love to hire Spags to be their DC.
Auburn DC job was vacated by Ted Roof, who went to work for UCF for about a month, then went to PSU to be O'Brien's DC.
Coaching carousel indeed.
It's cute how you guys think Juan is going anywhere. You believe in the Great Pumpkin too, right? Say yes.
Who doesn't?
You mean Linus was wrong all this time?? Say it ain't so.
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Morninghweg is interviewing for the Oakland job.
Wait, Oakland or Indy? I thought Grigson would have Marty on the plane with him on the way outta Philly.
grigson has about as much say in indy as stephen jones does in dallas...which is to say basically none at all
If Marty leaves, they'll just make Juan the OC as well. I actually think Juan would make a fine OC. Defenses are like borders and he's genetically prgrammed to find ways around them.
lol
channeling Reggie White or Strom Thurmond?
I saw where Spags interviewed in Indy yesterday with Caldwell, Grigson and Irsay for the DC job. Its being speculated now that perhaps Spags will get the HC job there.
I give him a 10% chance of coming back here. The Eagles are farging around.
black del rio wouldnt be a bad #2 option
he generally had good defenses in jacksonville. his downfall was he only really cared about defense, which probably wouldnt be a problem as the...........defensive coordinator.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
I give him a 10% chance of coming back here. The Eagles are farging around.
Yes, that's right... It's all because the Eagles have dragged their feet. He totally would have jumped at the chance otherwise.
How's the humidity in J-ville, spanky?
Quote from: MDS on January 17, 2012, 11:06:22 PM
black del rio wouldnt be a bad #2 option
he generally had good defenses in jacksonville. his downfall was he only really cared about defense, which probably wouldnt be a problem as the...........defensive coordinator.
They'll never run the 3-4 while Reid is the coach
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
I saw where Spags interviewed in Indy yesterday with Caldwell, Grigson and Irsay for the DC job. Its being speculated now that perhaps Spags will get the HC job there.
I give him a 10% chance of coming back here. The Eagles are farging around.
smartest guys in the room......always
Trent Edwards worked out for the team yesterday
pretty much guarantees he'll be starting 3-4 games for the eagles next season
That would be neat.
But seriously, the team usually has 4 QB's heading in to training camp. This year it will be Vick/Kafka/draft pick/???, so Edwards can fit that "???" role until he misses the first cut.
NBC Philadelphia's Howard Eskin reports that free agent Plaxico Burress "badly" wants to sign with the Eagles.
Lead Standard!
Plex > Steve Smith
Eagles were awarded DJ Jones OT from the Ravens [they waived him]. Used to play for Nebraska:
Profile: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65594&draftyear=2011&genpos=OG
Probably camp fodder so I didn't see a reason to start a new thread.
Moss wants to come back to the NFL and supposedly the birds are interested:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_randy_moss_nfl_return_patriots_021312
What needs to happen is GET MOSS and he can mentor DeSean. that is incredibly accurate
trent edwards signed to a 1 yr deal
starter by week 3
Quote from: reese125 on February 23, 2012, 04:52:55 PM
trent edwards signed to a 1 yr deal
starter by week 3
This'll put a scare in Kafka. REAL COMPETITION FASTBALLZ WEAPONZ
I was hoping they'd sign Feeley again so that they could trade him at the end of the year for 2013 draft picks that would be used on undersized linebackers and slow, unathletic safeties.
Edwards sucks. Weak arm bitch.
Sign Jason Campbell as the backup.
I'd take Mcnabb over Edwards
Meh, someone's got to throw the ball in practice. Why not a shell-shocked Buffalo castoff?
Vick is going to miss 3-4 games this season due to injury, so his backup is going to have to win some of those games. Trent Edwards sucks.
Okay you've convinced me. I'm all worked up now. He farging sucks and he's a Hoyda and the FO is doing the work of Satan.
DIE MOTHERUFCKERS THS IS SERIOUSS
Dio made me snort. :-D
Cocaine.
hes not the backup, hes just a potential candidate for being the backup
him, kafka, maybe another vet will go into camp and fight it out. and never underestimate andy wasting a 2nd round pick on case keenum or something.
andy reid is fat and stupid.
Just had that conversation with a co-worker today regarding the qbs in this year's class and he said the same thing. Keenum has birds writen all over him. I tried to argue but the prick is right. Edwards, Kafka, ??????? = farged.
The Eagles should trade their first and both seconds to the Rams to move up & get RG III.
i agree with the lil guy...i dont think edwards is a lock as the backup yet...
i think its more of a statement than anything...its pretty much telling everyone to shut up bear down and do your job this year...its the anti vince young dream team signing
and case keenum might not be drafted by anyone much less the eagles
not too sure why they think edwards would be a good fit for the quick read and release roll that the wco employs
especially a guy that is so out of rhythm- even more so being unemployed last year. you mean to tell me that nobody else was out there to compete with kafka..nobody with a decent arm? stop it
smartest guys in the room strike again
settle down people...hes just a body in the mix...50/50 he even makes the team
The last QB they signed to be a body in the mix ended up with a $100 mil.
you arent seriously comparing the signing of michael vick to trent edwards are you?
are you?
I am. But not seriously.
its not even about him just being a body or 50/50 he makes it--its the fact that they even picked up the phone to listen to his agent
Quote from: reese125 on February 24, 2012, 10:11:49 AM
its not even about him just being a body
actually it really is all about that
I'd be willing to bet heavy that he will be Vick's backup coming out of camp...
"Just a body" or not, you're looking at a guy who will be starting 2-4 games for your Philadelphia Eagles.
Quote from: DH on February 24, 2012, 10:19:56 AM
I'd be willing to bet heavy that he will be Vick's backup coming out of camp...
he might be....but only if he deserves it (theoretically)...if he wins the backup competition by having a very good camp and preseason showing he can run the offense then im fine...if he doesnt then he will be cut
the much bigger problem is that the starting qb cant win a superbowl....i tend to focus more on that than on some guy they sign in february who may not even make the team
i think its burying the lead by concentrating on vick missing games because this insinuates hes awsome as long as hes healthy...and that couldnt be further from the case
eli farging manning has won 2 super bowls; I refuse to believe Vick can't win one..
eli manning has turned himself into one of the best qb's in the nfl...something vick hasnt done and never will at this stage of his career
i mean its hard to argue a negative...i call it the trent dilfer argument....so in that case i guess i agree that vick can win a superbowl....but hes a much bigger issue/problem than trent edwards and i personally dont see a 5-10 running qb ever winning one
He may not be able to win a SB but him staying on the field is definitely important. The final four teams QBs did not miss a start all season.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2012, 11:09:06 AM
i personally dont see a 5-10 running qb ever winning one
randall would have made it happen if it werent for bryce paup
randall was also 7'-4", or so it seemed
that was the most blatant attempt of someone going out of their way to drop a bryce paup that ive ever seen
When Paup signed in Jacksonville I went to a Jaguars game wearing my Randall jersey and gave him two fingers when he ran in and off the sideline.
100% true story.
He couldn't take three?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2012, 01:57:30 PM
that was the most blatant attempt of someone going out of their way to drop a bryce paup that ive ever seen
I don't think he went out of his way at all.....seemed to fit snuggly within the context of the conversation. Let's talk about this for a while, shall we?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 24, 2012, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2012, 01:57:30 PM
that was the most blatant attempt of someone going out of their way to drop a bryce paup that ive ever seen
I don't think he went out of his way at all.....seemed to fit snuggly within the context of the conversation.
randall was like 6-5
That team went 10-6 without Randall.
Unreal.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2012, 01:57:30 PM
that was the most blatant attempt of someone going out of their way to drop a bryce paup that ive ever seen
please explain
edit: oh wait, now i get it. when you said 5-10, you meant height. silly me thought you meant a running qb who runs 5-10 times a game..
bryce paup bryce paup bryce paup
because randall is 6-5....like a half foot taller than vick...thus i didnt think you could have been responding to my statement that a midget running qb would ever win a superbowl when you brought up randalls name....so i figured the reason you did it was to drop a paup
So did Randall shop at Woolworth or not?
drop it like its paup?
its gettin paup in here
I hate it when my orange juice has Paup in it
These puns have become pretty Paup-ular.
I have no idea what you pauple are talking about, but please just stop.
paup goes the weasel cuz the weasle goes paup
The tension in this thread is Paupable.
I hope you guys Bryce yourselves for Russel's response to this.
I HAVE NEVER LOVED YOU GUYS MORE!
You just knew Rome was gonna Paup in here at some point.
Randall really should have Bryced himself for that hit.
The sound of that knee Pauping must have been disgusting
he was a good LB, so enough of this Paup smear campaign.
OMGGETPLAX?
Sure.
I've got a personalized "Cheddar Bob" Eagles jersey saved in my cart on NFL.com. Just waiting for the official announcement.
I think Plax is worth a shot.
Why, so they can have two WRs who give up on the team?
*casts*
I wonder if he heard the Paup of the gun in the club
Quote from: Feva on February 28, 2012, 10:02:16 PM
I think Plax is worth a shot.
Tip of the hat to you, sir.
Mean Machine!
Get please
QuoteChris Myers will test the market
Posted by Mike Florio on March 1, 2012, 7:25 AM EST
The Houston Texans want to keep center Chris Myers. And Chris Myers says he wants to stay with the Texans.
In the end, he very possibly will. A league source explains, however, that several other teams are interested in Myers, and he'll therefore dip a toe into the free-agent market before signing a new contract with the Texans.
eagles love kelce and center might not be in the top 10 positions of need on this team
Hard to say how much they love Kelce, they often put up a good front with players they are luke warm on. I'd say center arguably makes top 5 positions of need if they keep DeSean. Kelce got a lot of love from some writers and Baldinger was saying he was a probowl snub but I disagree. He's not bad, just the weak link on what otherwise should be a pretty decent line.
all three lb positions and both safety positions put center at best 6th most important...also mathis is a free agent...so they have to fill a guard spot...they need a run stopping tackle more than center...a red zone wr
i just cant imagine them going on the open market and bidding for a center this year
and again this is all only relevant if what you said about them not liking kelce is true
He had his miscues-like any rookie center would--but he had an otherwise productive first year. Pretty sure he only let up 1 sack on the year. That being said its very likely he will only get better.
Center is way down the list of needs for this team--Jackson staying or not.
I don't think they necessarily have to get 3 lbs. Since you can't have strong players at every position they could get by with 2 good lbs as long as one is a very solid middle. I'm ok with Nate Allen. I think he needs another year to really see what you have there and it should be a make or break season for him.
True with Mathis, I'm assuming/hoping they bring him back. DT is more of a wild card. You could say it's their biggest need only because they lost so many with FA but if they bring back Landri and Dixon I think they will be fine and hopefully Dixon can be the big body they need. Don't want Laws back. I don't think a good RZ WR is as important as the kind of upgrade they would have with Myers.
I didn't say they don't like Kelce, just it's hard to tell and my guess is they think he's OK but they also don't especially value the position, and hope that because he's young and fits the scheme they can coach him up and he'll grow into it. Although I'd love to see them get Myers, I'd be a little surprised myself if they actually did.
Bottom line as things stand now, it will all come down to Vick and if they are able to get him back into the good form he had a couple of years ago, and keep him healthy enough for the majority of the year and the playoffs. I'm hopeful, but it won't be easy so shoring up the OLine as best they can is one of the priorities.
in vicks entire career hes been a really good qb for one half of one season....if your hope is that he can now do it for a full season and playoffs you are going to be greatly disappointed
My hope is that he can do it for the playoffs. He had a subpar season last year and they barely missed winning the division even with rookie Juan.
I'd be happy with one full season of above average and no injuries. Key is getting him into the playoffs healthy which as of late has been rough.
obviously health is key...if a player isnt on the field then he cant play well
but i dismiss the notion that all vick needs is to be healthy and everything will be fine...what vick needs is to become a good quarterback...and i just dont see that magically happening at age 32...i this point he is what he is
its looking more likely free agent lb curtis lofton wont be retained by the falcons, so I think this guy should be high on the radar for the eagles
when they gave grimes the franchise tag last week it pretty much meant lofton was going on the open market and not coming back
Would love to have Lofton but I think the Eagles will wind up with Tulloch then draft someone in the 2nd or 3rd.
Not sure why the Eagles would go after Tulloch. They could have had him last year and had no interest. Getting him now would be admitting a mistake. They rarely do that.
herremans signed a three year 21 mil extension according to sources
Cap space move?
11 million guarenteed
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 13, 2012, 11:47:18 AM
Cap space move?
sounds like he asked for it in the offseason and they obliged
Odds they would have turned his request down if either of these things were true?
-Herremans is black.
-Herremans made the request for an extension known to the media.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 13, 2012, 11:41:29 AM
Not sure why the Eagles would go after Tulloch. They could have had him last year and had no interest. Getting him now would be admitting a mistake. They rarely do that.
Babin worked out ok.
D. Gunn is reporting that there may be a contract extension coming for T. Cole.
@AdamSchefter
Sal Pal reports Eagles finalizing contract extension with Trent Cole. Numbers are set, just working on language. Expected to be done soon.
There's nothing more exciting on the first day of free agency than to knock out a few extensions for players who were already under contract for 2012.
I knew someone would piss on these moves eventually. Props to Sassy for pulling the trigger almost immediately.
hopefully they reworked it so he only gets paid for sacks he gets in december and january
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/13/bucs-eagles-pushing-for-first-visit-by-nicks/?module=HP11_headline_stack
Carl Nicks anyone?
i wouldnt be against it but id be happy if the eagles didnt sign or draft a single offensive player this entire offseason
Quote from: Diomedes on March 13, 2012, 07:17:39 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/13/bucs-eagles-pushing-for-first-visit-by-nicks/?module=HP11_headline_stack
Carl Nicks anyone?
"A league source" denies Eagles interest in Nicks. Jeff McLane is poo-pooing the possibility also.
For everyone who wants LB excitement, the Eagles worked out Ben Leber. Woo-hoo!
5 years too late.
Evan Mathis drawing interest from Tampa and Indy.