Who's out? Who's in? Etc
Probably won't return:
Winston Justice
Quentin Mikell
Ernie Sims
David Akers
Kevin Kolb (will be traded)
Nick Cole/MJG/McGlynn (as starters)
Probably will return but shouldn't:
Dimitri Patterson/Joselio Hanson 2nd CB tandem
Sean McDermott
Jamaal Jackson
Stewart Bradley
Will return hopefully:
Michael Vick
Antonio Dixon
Leonard Weaver
Blech. Who else?
I am apprehensive about the defensive rookies' ability to return and contribute in any way next year.
No one is giving up first rounders for Kolb and in the absence of first rounders I hope he doesn't get traded.
The defense sucks. The O-Line sucks. McDermott sucks. Akers sucks.
farg the world.
Gaither's probably gone too. I don't remember him making one play this season...
too soon
Let's go Flyers.
Akers had his best year in along time and just couldn't keep his head straight yesterday. The kicker who needs to go is Rocca, he can't punt in cold weather. If they replace Akers they need someone better, otherwise I am ok with him for next year. Sav needs to go back to Aussieland, clown.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 10, 2011, 12:36:35 PM
I am apprehensive about the defensive rookies' ability to return and contribute in any way next year.
No one is giving up first rounders for Kolb and in the absence of first rounders I hope he doesn't get traded.
The defense sucks. The O-Line sucks. McDermott sucks. Akers sucks.
farg the world.
I'm assuming that you're talking about Graham and Allen, and that concerns me too. I like Chaney. Not sure about Coleman. And pretty sure Trevard Lindley isn't going to step in and be much better than a nickel/dime guy.
I think that they can get a 1st rounder for Kolb.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Not usually, and I predict his replacement will be equally or more infuriating.
Yes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 12:45:59 PM
too soon
Never.
Quote from: mussa on January 10, 2011, 12:48:04 PM
Akers had his best year in along time and just couldn't keep his head straight yesterday. The kicker who needs to go is Rocca, he can't punt in cold weather. If they replace Akers they need someone better, otherwise I am ok with him for next year. Sav needs to go back to Aussieland, clown.
I'm with you on Akers but not sure where all the Rocca hate is coming from. This was by far his best year. He can absolutely crush the ball and still has the ability to put a little finese on his kicks too and pin them inside the 20. His punt yesterday in the 2nd half was downed on the 2 yard line. Couldn't ask him to do any more than that.
Keep in mind that mussa is an angry mental midget, and then ask yourself if it's worth waiting for his response.
rocca is average at best but he ranks about 105th on the list of things to worry about this offseason
Mikell is coming back. He's above average at his position and people consider him a leader. Unless he gets to the open market, then he's gone.
Also Stewart Bradley is going to be back for pennies and considering this year was a lost year from the start for him, I can't possibly see why you wouldn't want him back.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 10, 2011, 01:08:39 PM
Also Stewart Bradley is going to be back for pennies and considering this year was a lost year from the start for him, I can't possibly see why you wouldn't want him back.
In the off chance he is on the field for more than 3 games in a row, he's not very good?
He was at least above average before his ACL injury, I know you guys are all wah wah we lost cut everyone right now, but it would be retarded not to bring him back and see what he can do 2 years removed from the tear.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 10, 2011, 01:11:56 PM
He was at least above average before his ACL injury, I know you guys are all wah wah we lost cut everyone right now, but it would be retarded not to bring him back and see what he can do 2 years removed from the tear.
(http://cheesesteakswithbarkley.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/stewart-bradley-vespa-mickey-mouse.jpg?w=275&h=450)
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 10, 2011, 01:11:56 PM
it would be retarded not to bring him back and see what he can do 2 years removed from the tear.
um, no it wouldnt. even if he can do what it is he did before the injury, that still makes him an average lb at best. its time to get some real players at the lb position, and not this same shtein that has been recycled for years on end.
keeping bradley would be fine if you upgraded at both of the outside spots...when healthy hes their best linebacker
but to say he isnt replacebale or that it would be retarded to not bring him back is silly
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 01:27:17 PM
when healthy hes their best linebacker
cmon, you know that aint saying much
I'd bring everybody back (assuming they're still under contract), sign some F/As and draft some players and let them all fight it out in camp. I'd bring Stewie back because lets be honest they're not going to address the LB position so we might as well stick with someone competent there. I'd still like to see him moved to SAM with Chaney in the middle to see if it could work.
With that, here's players I'd like to see upgraded:
RT/Justice
RG/Cole/MJG
CB-I think Patterson/Hanson/Lindley are fine for nickel guys
SS-Keep Mikell as a backup
LB
DE
Realistically speaking I think they'll again address the defense through the draft. I'd love to see them sign some F/A defensive players then add depth through the draft.
Also I think they get at least a 1st if not more for Kolb.
Quote from: DH on January 10, 2011, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 01:27:17 PM
when healthy hes their best linebacker
cmon, you know that aint saying much
definitely...im just saying hes the last of the lb's youd upgrade and since it isnt realistic that they are goin to go out and get upgrades at all three spots then bradley is the one you have stay put and try to build on both sides of him
Exactly. You don't start addressing the LB problem by replacing the best player, even if he isn't all that good.
Yeah, but he's a free agent.
And lol at the idea of Mikell returning as a backup. That ain't happening.
Your kidding me, how many terrible punts did Rocca have go 30 yards or less down field in the last 4 games. At least one a game, if not more. Field position isn't important or anything, my bad. Your all right.
I haven't really seen much Akers hate here, but I've heard a bunch from friends who don't post here. Does anyone here actually blame Akers at all for the loss? Serious question. Because I've heard a lot of "If Akers makes those kicks, the Eagles win." Which is true. But if you're going to "what if" the outcome, then you also have do the same for James Jones dropping 6 points. So basically, each team left 7 points on the field and the Eagles still lose by 5.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 10, 2011, 01:41:38 PM
Yeah, but he's a free agent.
so is sims and for all intents and purposes so is foku since his contract is worth peanuts...all their linebackers theoretically could and/or should be replaced...however realistically you probably arent going to have new guys at all three lb positions...thus you rank in order of who is coming back like this
1. bradley...the best of the bunch knows the system is the defensive captain and plays a position that is the least prone to being taken advantage of
2. sims...only been here one year so theres no history or connection to the team played like shtein and is a free agent
3. foku...special teamer who is only playing because of how pathetic their options at the position are
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
I haven't really seen much Akers hate here, but I've heard a bunch from friends who don't post here. Does anyone here actually blame Akers at all for the loss? Serious question. Because I've heard a lot of "If Akers makes those kicks, the Eagles win." Which is true. But if you're going to "what if" the outcome, then you also have do the same for James Jones dropping 6 points. So basically, each team left 7 points on the field and the Eagles still lose by 5.
Add in Chad Lewis's dumb ass for stepping out of bounds and now you're down to 3 which would have meant the Eagles tying the game instead of Vick lobbing it up in the corner of the endzone.
Everyone deserves the blame. The game just didn't go the Eagles way, they haven't for some time now. This comes back to luck/coaching/talent.
Quote from: SD on January 10, 2011, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
I haven't really seen much Akers hate here, but I've heard a bunch from friends who don't post here. Does anyone here actually blame Akers at all for the loss? Serious question. Because I've heard a lot of "If Akers makes those kicks, the Eagles win." Which is true. But if you're going to "what if" the outcome, then you also have do the same for James Jones dropping 6 points. So basically, each team left 7 points on the field and the Eagles still lose by 5.
Add in Chad Lewis's dumb ass for stepping out of bounds and now you're down to 3 which would have meant the Eagles tying the game instead of Vick lobbing it up in the corner of the endzone.
Everyone deserves the blame. The game just didn't go the Eagles way, they haven't for some time now. This comes back to luck/coaching/talent.
Chas Lewis?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
Does anyone here actually blame Akers at all for the loss? Serious question. Because I've heard a lot of "If Akers makes those kicks, the Eagles win." Which is true. But if you're going to "what if" the outcome, then you also have do the same for James Jones dropping 6 points. So basically, each team left 7 points on the field and the Eagles still lose by 5.
he obviously deserves some blame...but while the math works (16 plus six is indeed greater than 21) sports doesnt work like that...you dont know how green bay would have changed their game plan had akers made the first kick...or maybe instead of missing the fg and giving green bay the ball on the 35 he makes the the fg and green bay returns the kickoff for a td...or they bobble the kick off the eagles pin them inside the 10 sack fumble and the eagles get seven out of it...its just way deeper than adding six to the eagles final score and frankly people who look at sports like that are simpletons
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
I haven't really seen much Akers hate here, but I've heard a bunch from friends who don't post here. Does anyone here actually blame Akers at all for the loss? Serious question. Because I've heard a lot of "If Akers makes those kicks, the Eagles win." Which is true. But if you're going to "what if" the outcome, then you also have do the same for James Jones dropping 6 points. So basically, each team left 7 points on the field and the Eagles still lose by 5.
I was wondering the same thing. I don't at all. The first miss was expected, especially with 30mph winds. The offense should score TDs and not leave it up to a foot.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 10, 2011, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: SD on January 10, 2011, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
I haven't really seen much Akers hate here, but I've heard a bunch from friends who don't post here. Does anyone here actually blame Akers at all for the loss? Serious question. Because I've heard a lot of "If Akers makes those kicks, the Eagles win." Which is true. But if you're going to "what if" the outcome, then you also have do the same for James Jones dropping 6 points. So basically, each team left 7 points on the field and the Eagles still lose by 5.
Add in Chad Lewis's dumb ass for stepping out of bounds and now you're down to 3 which would have meant the Eagles tying the game instead of Vick lobbing it up in the corner of the endzone.
Everyone deserves the blame. The game just didn't go the Eagles way, they haven't for some time now. This comes back to luck/coaching/talent.
Chas Lewis?
I thought he did it on purpose
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
Does anyone here actually blame Akers at all for the loss? Serious question. Because I've heard a lot of "If Akers makes those kicks, the Eagles win." Which is true. But if you're going to "what if" the outcome, then you also have do the same for James Jones dropping 6 points. So basically, each team left 7 points on the field and the Eagles still lose by 5.
he obviously deserves some blame...but while the math works (16 plus six is indeed greater than 21) sports doesnt work like that...you dont know how green bay would have changed their game plan had akers made the first kick...or maybe instead of missing the fg and giving green bay the ball on the 35 he makes the the fg and green bay returns the kickoff for a td...or they bobble the kick off the eagles pin them inside the 10 sack fumble and the eagles get seven out of it...its just way deeper than adding six to the eagles final score and frankly people who look at sports like that are simpletons
Exactly. Akers makes one or both of those, Packers change their gameplan. Not including Jones dropped TD or huge gain at least, the Packers dropped their share of passes.
Jamar Chaney can play.
Chaney's a "nice" player. I'm personally sick of them. I want motherfarging beasts at linebacker. You know, the kind who actually change a game with their play.
Clay Matthews was a relative non-factor yesterday (compared to week 1). So there's that.
Quote from: Rome on January 10, 2011, 03:24:03 PM
Chaney's a "nice" player. I'm personally sick of them. I want motherfarging beasts at linebacker. You know, the kind who actually change a game with their play.
That would almost necessitate the Eagles drafting a LB in the 1st round which I'm not opposed to. They should probably take the best defensive player available with the No. 1 this year, regardless of what position he plays
i want to disagree and say they need to get a bangin right guard or tackle more than anything but this year is one of the worst Oline drafts ever
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 10, 2011, 03:26:33 PM
Clay Matthews was a relative non-factor yesterday (compared to week 1). So there's that.
if by non factor you mean they had to put a new RT in the game because he was destroying Justice than I'd agree. He may have only had one sack and a few tackles but they didn't even bother running many plays towards his side of the field.
Dunlap looked good when he went in. He also played well for Peters earlier this season. Might be the best OT on the Eagles' roster.
I think the team is stuck with Peters. Herremans is supposedly good. They are going to try to convince us that McGlynn and Jackson will be an exciting camp battle, with the loser possible "getting in there to compete" at RG. Then King takes over at RT. No need for any linemen! (or so we'll be told)
I can't wait for pitchers & catchers to report.
farg this farging corksucking team in the ass. Hard.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 03:28:50 PM
i want to disagree and say they need to get a bangin right guard or tackle more than anything but this year is one of the worst Oline drafts ever
Pouncey wouldn't be a bad pick for them.
I really start to feel uncomfortable watching King Dunlap play football.
You ever watch him kickstep backwards on pass pro? They have to lay new sod down on tv timeouts.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 10, 2011, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 03:28:50 PM
i want to disagree and say they need to get a bangin right guard or tackle more than anything but this year is one of the worst Oline drafts ever
Pouncey wouldn't be a bad pick for them.
no wisnewski?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 10, 2011, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2011, 03:28:50 PM
i want to disagree and say they need to get a bangin right guard or tackle more than anything but this year is one of the worst Oline drafts ever
Pouncey wouldn't be a bad pick for them.
no wisnewski?
Ban?
Agreed. Although they also desperately need a better corner and LB. I wonder if Andy saw Matthews, Hawk and Nick Barnett making plays and he just shrugged and said that LB's don't matter.
Was Nick Barnett making plays from the sideline or his house?
So, is Akers gone then?
Contract is up. I read on another board he refused an Eagles offer and commented something to the effect of he didn't want to go out an Eagles like that (the GB game).
Anyone hear anything similar?
The Akers situation sure got bizarre. I was listening to Ike and Trotter on WIP this afternoon and Ike said he's gone.
And anymore on his off-field "problem" yesterday?
Quote from: Don Ho on January 11, 2011, 04:01:05 AM
The Akers situation sure got bizarre. I was listening to Ike and Trotter on WIP this afternoon and Ike said he's gone.
And anymore on his off-field "problem" yesterday?
His agent referred to it as a possible health issue with a family member. It sounded like something they don't know for sure yet.
Get that Auburn kicker. He's money.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
I haven't really seen much Akers hate here, but I've heard a bunch from friends who don't post here. Does anyone here actually blame Akers at all for the loss? Serious question. Because I've heard a lot of "If Akers makes those kicks, the Eagles win." Which is true. But if you're going to "what if" the outcome, then you also have do the same for James Jones dropping 6 points. So basically, each team left 7 points on the field and the Eagles still lose by 5.
Sucks if Akers leaves. Kickers are flaky and you never know what they will do under pressure.
The interview sounded like he thought he was done here in Philly. Who knows, Akers is a emotional dude. I'd be ok with him coming back because this season he was really good. At the same time I am ready for a new kicker, as long as he's better. No australian place kicker, please.
I dont know how you get rid of the one of/if not the best kickers in the league. I wanted to strangle the shtein out of him sure, but hes made so many clutch fg's over his career you cant let him walk.
Its not like the guy has fallen off the map. It sounds to me like its Reid who has a bone to pick with fg kickers. I dont know if he got bullied by one growing up, but you got to resign him.
do you really think of akers as clutch?....i dont...hes been consistently very good...but how many truly clutch kicks has he made in his career...especially playing for a team that has been in the postseson as much as the eagles have
this is not to say i think hes a choker i just dont put clutch and david akers side by side
Its been a while since he's made any kind of last minute, game winning kick that I can recall, but he's consistent. I'll take a few more years of consistent kicking.
well im not equating clutch only for last sec fg's.
clutch can be a tie game, 4 min to go in the 4th quarter 45 yd fg that allows you to sustain a lead and win the game or being 3-3 for the day. hes made too many fgs when necessary, that I dont really feel like having an uneasy feeling every game a FA or rookie kicker has to kick. like GF said, Ill take consistency any day of the week.
i wasnt worried when todd france had to come in midway through the 04 super bowl run and kick for a few games. i wont be worried if todd france, or anyone else for that matter, is kicking for the birds next year.
Also, I think he'd have made all of those kicks if Koy were still the holder.
Quote from: DH on January 11, 2011, 09:31:58 AM
i wasnt worried when todd france had to come in midway through the 04 super bowl run and kick for a few games. i wont be worried if todd france, or anyone else for that matter, is kicking for the birds next year.
heavy alcohol cures all worries.
Straight dick move by Andy to call him out though.
This is the second time he's done that to him since the Minny game. He kicked out of bounds and He Who Never Messes Up said "and we got our all-pro kicker kicking it out of bounds"
I'd actually forgotten about that. Yeah, Akers not wanting to come back makes a little more sense now.
I think Andy's just trying to help Howie by knocking Akers down a peg or two prior to contract time.
i heard on WIP that Akers was offered a contract extension on 12/26 and turned it down.
if i remember correctly, right after that was the Minny game when Andy ripped Akers for kicking the ball out of bounds and now this from the Packers game.
typical front office MO
I'm going to hold a candlelight vigil for akers.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2010, 01:45:27 PM
in the post game presser last night he called out akers hard...especially considering he protected the rest of the team
"Hey, David. Let's talk contract. How does the veteran minimum sound with no signing bonus?"
"You have to be kidding me. I've been great this year. Even made the Pro Bowl."
"Yeah, but you kicked the ball out of bounds against the Vikings."
"Go farg yourselves."
"Fine, you drive a hard bargain. How about a signed DeSean Jackson mini-helmet to sweeten the deal? Just fill out this credit card application."
"I'm leaving."
Akers is on the downside of his career and his range sucks.If he's back great if not he's replaceable.
Quote from: SD on January 11, 2011, 10:04:33 AM
Akers is on the downside of his career and his range sucks.
His career stats say you're wrong.
nothing screams downside more than 2nd in the league in fg's made.
not to mention he was 9-11 between 40-49 yards, so I dont know what youre looking for out of a kicker
One who's a little more considerate about not using national tragedies to boost his career.
Washington will snap his ass up with a quickness.
Letting him go would be a mistake
Akers had a great season no doubt, but what was he the previous two years? Seemed like he couldn't kick a FG over 40 yards. Kickers are a dime a dozen...what makes him great as an Eagle is he can tackle which is important since the coverage team usually blows
Quote from: DH on January 11, 2011, 09:31:58 AM
i wasnt worried when todd france had to come in midway through the 04 super bowl run and kick for a few games. i wont be worried if todd france, or anyone else for that matter, is kicking for the birds next year.
I wasn't worried about France in 2004 either. But that's mostly because he didn't join the Eagles until 2005.
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 11, 2011, 10:47:42 AM
Akers had a great season no doubt, but what was he the previous two years? Seemed like he couldn't kick a FG over 40 yards. Kickers are a dime a dozen...what makes him great as an Eagle is he can tackle which is important since the coverage team usually blows
Kickers might be a dime a dozen, but good/great kickers are hard to come by. Half the teams in the league go through at least 2 kickers every year.
every attempt from 40 yards on out these days with akers feels like a coin flip to me...i dont care what the numbers say i dont have much confidence in him to hit long-ish kicks...throw a little pressure on top and im really not feeling good...im not even 100% saying that the feeling is justified but its there and because of it i really could give a rats ass if he dipped next year
Akers choked. He may not have "lost" the game singlehandedly... but he did not do his job.
There were 8 other kickers in the NFL who attempted 25+ FGs this season with a higher kick percentage than him.
Move along.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2011, 11:11:05 AM
every attempt from 40 yards on out these days with akers feels like a coin flip to me...i dont care what the numbers say i dont have much confidence in him to hit long-ish kicks...throw a little pressure on top and im really not feeling good...im not even 100% saying that the feeling is justified but its there and because of it i really could give a rats ass if he dipped next year
Exactly
And every time an opposing kicker tries a FG over 50 yards against the Eagles you just know they're going to make it. Ever had the same confidence in Akers? It's great he's money inside the 40 (and really he's not considering the playoffs) but those kickers are a dime a dozen.
Quote from: charlie on January 11, 2011, 11:12:54 AM
There were 8 other kickers in the NFL who attempted 25+ FGs this season with a higher kick percentage than him.
Move along.
You have faith that the Eagles would go out like New England and find a guy on the street who can be a top 25% kicker? Or are you suggesting they trade for Rob Bironas or Adam Vinatieri?
Eagles fans have been spoiled by more than a decade of Akers. 32/38 on FGs (31/35 inside the 50) and 23 touchbacks in a Pro Bowl season and you guys are ready to run him out of town for one game. He's a kicker, and when he finally goes in the tank it will be plain for all to see and he will be immediately replaceable midseason by another average kicker. Until that day, the odds seem good that the Eagles would end up with a guy worse than what they got.
who wants to run him out of town?
i think most people are just saying they arent scared of going into next year without him
was that the consensus 5 years ago too because his numbers havent really changed since?
unless heads really dont care about special teams and are fine with a david buehler kicking fg's
you sound like the people who said that if mcnabb left brad goebel would be the next quarterback
anyone who really cares about who the kicker is next year needs counselling
No not really because we all knew there was a backup in Kolb already on the roster.
Im more worried they pick up a Happy Feller. Call a doctor.
we all knew that but we all didnt believe they would be fine with cobb
the point is just because you let a player go doesnt automatically mean his replacement is going to suck
its certainly a risk though
you know what akers can do....whoever you get to replace him might very well suck
but whatever they do with the kicker spot it wont even be talked about. they need to replace 2 or 3 offensive lineman and at least 8 defensive starters by sept 2011. and make a decision about the qb. me thinks thatll be a focus.
impending free agents (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=23201)
K David Akers - Sign if he wants to play
LB Stewart Bradley - Sign for a short deal to see if this year was a bad fluke
G/C Nick Cole - If he wants to start, farg this guy.
LB Omar Gaither - Sick of him. Use the roster spot on a guy with some promise.
S Antoine Harris - Camp body. Who cares?
RB Jerome Harrison - Need a backup for Shady. If he is ok with that role, sure.
CB Ellis Hobbs - Nope.
G Max Jean-Gilles - Prefer him as a backup to Cole but saying adios would be fine with me.
LB Akeem Jordan - Like more than Gaither as a backup but don't really care
DE Bobby McCray - Bye
SS Quintin Mikell - If Allen were healthy, I'd say they could jettison Mikell. But don't know yet.
CB Dimitri Patterson - He probably wants to start, so no.
P Sav Rocca - Bring back.
LB Ernie Sims - Wasn't a factor. Move on.
QB Michael Vick - Do not let him leave.
G Reggie Wells - See ya.
i agree with just about all of that except dmitri patterson is in no position to demand a starting position from any team outside of canada
FF.....do you happen to have the list of 2012 'impending free agents'.
Kind of curious to see what they would do this off-season while looking to see what they are dealing with next off-season.
no one has that list since new a cba is coming and theres no way to know
oh and its also over a year away
He wouldn't be the first football player with similar delusions. Remember when William James (nee Peterson) thought he could be the best cornerback in the NFL?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2011, 12:50:05 PM
no one has that list since new a cba is coming and theres no way to know
oh and its also over a year away
Just used to my madden fantasy team way of operating. Also, I'm pretty sure I noted that it was over a year away when I wrote 2012...unless you use some different calender you weather demon.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 12, 2011, 12:51:20 PM
He wouldn't be the first football player with similar delusions. Remember when William James (nee Peterson) thought he could be the best cornerback in the NFL?
delusions dont affect your free agent status....the market does
For all of you knuckle draggers who think Cole still isn't an elite DE.
Using 50% defensive participation for qualifiers (ie player was in for 50+% of total O or D snaps):
Cole was #1 of 38 qualified 4-3 DEs.
-1st against the run
-2nd in pass rush behind Freeney
-4th in QB hits
-5th in QB pressures
-t-3rd in defensive stops (tackles or sacks which constitute offensive failure)
His worst games came at the end of the year, but that doesn't make what he did any less impressive.
Wow. Obviously he was just beaten down by the end of the year. Constant double teams and no help on the other side took its toll.
one sack in seven career playoff games
definitely elite
hes a very good player but certainly not elite and he needs help especially when the games matter the most and the competition is at the highest levels
are you trying to argue actual results vs. fancy numbers with this kid again?
in baseball they sometimes hold weight...in football they couldnt be more worthless...shtein in football even real stats are always important
Shocking that an undersized defensive end without any talent around would be less effective as the season progressed.
No talent? What do you call Moise Fokou and Trevor Laws?
Future car wash attendants?
That's racist.
By the way. . . Laws would actually be a guy I would keep as a 4th tackle but he should come nowhere near the field as a starter.
Quote from: MDS on January 12, 2011, 02:00:15 PM
are you trying to argue actual results vs. fancy numbers with this kid again?
this why guys like Andy Martino and David Murphy are beat writers in real, large cities and you are in mexico. You are awful. Stop trying to be funny on a message board and learn something about sports. You didn't play them so to be taken seriously you are going to have to be a geek. Read a book or something.
Quote from: Rome on January 12, 2011, 02:17:40 PM
By the way. . . Laws would actually be a guy I would keep as a 4th tackle but he should come nowhere near the field as a starter.
That's another thing, Dixon was an absolute beast this year and Patterson was well above average as well.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 12, 2011, 01:36:23 PM
His worst games came at the end of the year, but that doesn't make what he did any less impressive.
So what you're saying is he racks up stats for the first 3/4 of the season then disappears when needed most? Sounds elite to me.
please dont respond to him....hes a baseball nerd who doesnt know anything about any other sport....my god he just said antonio dixon is a beast
hes the type of football fan who will watch the game if possible but its about 4th on his list of to dos every sundy...wait?...hes dio?....
i digress
anyway he reads on a message board that this guy dixon unseated bunkley...then he extrapolates that to dixon is a beast...if i felt like looking i bet i could find him big upping bunkley at some point
Elite Defensive Ends in the NFC East: Justin Tuck, Demarcus Ware
i feel like extrapolate has been used too much here recently
Quote from: SunMo on January 12, 2011, 04:07:30 PM
i feel like extrapolate has been used too much here recently
I'd be fine with banning it along with 'literally' and 'epic'
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2011, 03:56:54 PM
please dont respond to him....hes a baseball nerd who doesnt know anything about any other sport....my god he just said antonio dixon is a beast
hes the type of football fan who will watch the game if possible but its about 4th on his list of to dos every sundy...wait?...hes dio?....
i digress
anyway he reads on a message board that this guy dixon unseated bunkley...then he extrapolates that to dixon is a beast...if i felt like looking i bet i could find him big upping bunkley at some point
My apologies, Dixon was a beast against the run which is what I meant to say. He was pretty bad against the pass though.
But Dixon was 8th of 77 DTs in rush defense and this is a cumulative measure so considering that he didn't really get a ton of playing time that is farging great.
Quote from: SunMo on January 12, 2011, 04:07:30 PM
i feel like extrapolate has been used too much here recently
i havent used it since i was like three so im gonna work it for a little while
Quote from: SD on January 12, 2011, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 12, 2011, 04:07:30 PM
i feel like extrapolate has been used too much here recently
I'd be fine with banning it along with 'literally' and 'epic'
If that happened, it would literally be the most epic thing to happen around here in years.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 12, 2011, 04:08:21 PM
My apologies, Dixon was a beast against the run which is what I meant to say. He was pretty bad against the pass though.
But Dixon was 8th of 77 DTs in rush defense and this is a cumulative measure so considering that he didn't really get a ton of playing time that is farging great.
Dixon is a nice guy to have in the rotation and he every once in a while makes a big play. He's not a 'beast'. A beast collapses the pocket and teams don't even bother running his gap because it's never there. And lol at your "cumulative measure".
Quote from: SD on January 12, 2011, 04:13:47 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 12, 2011, 04:08:21 PM
My apologies, Dixon was a beast against the run which is what I meant to say. He was pretty bad against the pass though.
But Dixon was 8th of 77 DTs in rush defense and this is a cumulative measure so considering that he didn't really get a ton of playing time that is farging great.
Dixon is a nice guy to have in the rotation and he every once in a while makes a big play. He's not a 'beast'. A beast collapses the pocket and teams don't even bother running his gap because it's never there. And lol at your "cumulative measure".
No, beast.
Quote from: SD on January 12, 2011, 04:01:33 PM
Elite Defensive Ends in the NFC East: Justin Tuck, Demarcus Ware
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Which of these moves do you like? (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/568479-changes-moves-that-are-necessary-for-the-eagles-to-do-this-offseason)
Hell no on Singletary. Guy's a zesty coach.
I'm on board with almost anyone over McDermott. I know the Eagles don't have any players to effectively execute whatever scheme it was that McDermott was trying to run, but the red zone defense was embarrassing. I don't care how bad the players on defense are, when the ball is inside the red zone, they've only got 30 yards (at most) of field to cover and they couldn't even do that. The players might have been bad, but they weren't that bad.
So yeah, I wouldn't mind Singletary. But I don't think there's any way in hell Reid would go for a guy with that type of personality.
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If God isn't an Eagles fan then he can catch some knuckles too.
AAAASSSS-HOLE. AAAASSSS-HOLE.
god is an egomaniacal dickhead
farg him
the only part i liked was the g-d in the jewish one
not sure where you picked that up but it was a good, authentic touch to what was yet another misfire from you
The sperm that created you was a misfire.
it so clearly was not
it was a direct hit, thats why i am here
the term you were looking for was "mistake"
What, did you finally buckle down and buy some flash cards?
I think Singletary would be a decent, if not good, linebackers coach
Athiests would never recognize the existence of god. Freddie Fail.
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 13, 2011, 03:23:00 PM
I think Singletary would be a decent, if not good, linebackers coach
Sad part is that he can probably still play the position better than anyone the Eagles have right now.
Get?
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 13, 2011, 03:23:00 PM
I think Singletary would be a decent, if not good, linebackers coach
I'd be fine with Singletary as a DC. He doesn't have the mental make up to be the lead guy but he's a good defensive mind.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 13, 2011, 01:38:26 PM
Which of these moves do you like? (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/568479-changes-moves-that-are-necessary-for-the-eagles-to-do-this-offseason)
Hell no on Singletary. Guy's a zesty coach.
Jason Taylor? No thanks. Cromartie would be interesting.
Cromartie is as soft as Asante and not as good of a corner. Pass.
Cromartie would be some sort of consolation prize. He's better than what the Eagles have now, but wouldn't be a major improvement.
Taylor is depth at this point in his career. Expensive depth. Only way he starts is if it's for a bottom feeding team.
cromartie would be fine...hes a good starting nfl cornerback and thats all you need opposite assante...why the writer feels the eagles need a lock down corner opposite assante i dont know...they need a serious upgrade there and going from patterson hanson hobbs to cromartie would accomplish that
Good article on why Eagles fans shouldn't get their hopes up with a Kolb trade:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Dont_expect_Kolb_trade.html
This offseason is going to blow. I always looked forward to the start of free agency, now I have to wait till the draft for any action and without a CBA you can't trade players so that sucks.
Quote from: SD on January 13, 2011, 08:03:43 PM
Good article on why Eagles fans shouldn't get their hopes up with a Kolb trade:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Dont_expect_Kolb_trade.html
This offseason is going to blow. I always looked forward to the start of free agency, now I have to wait till the draft for any action and without a CBA you can't trade players so that sucks.
Until they sign a new CBA (or exend the current) this whole offseason is a huge cock tease. (Hmm... I'm actually surprised there's no filter for that.)
I can't say big cock, but you can say big cock coming out of my mouth?
Ladies...if you don't start using cock in the right context, they will take cock away from us forever. Don't let them take our cock away from us.
Quote from: SD on January 13, 2011, 08:03:43 PM
Good article on why Eagles fans shouldn't get their hopes up with a Kolb trade:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Dont_expect_Kolb_trade.html
This offseason is going to blow. I always looked forward to the start of free agency, now I have to wait till the draft for any action and without a CBA you can't trade players so that sucks.
the lockout is just as much of a reason for a shtein team to want a QB with some experience to start for them like Kolb. Imagine your team trying to start a first round pick QB who hasnt had any time to practice with the team all offseason. You put someone like Kolb in there because you cant put your top pick QB in.
Without a CBA in place you can't trade players.
im talking about after the lockout is over. A QB with experience is going to be able to jump in a start with little off season prep as opposed to a rookie.
MURP needs to post more.
The rest of yous need to post less.
Of course this all depends if there is football played in 2011. ::)
There will be football in 2011. No one, anywhere, on either side of the negotiations has any interest in putting next season at risk. They would have to be the dumbest motherfargers on earth.
So you admit there's a chance there won't be football in 2011.
Uh...I'm having a hard time dreaming up a dumber group of people than pro athletes.
NASCAR fans, maybe.
Money, and people's love of it, will ensure there's a 2011 NFL season
baseball didnt have a world series one year...that was like the gretzky being traded of strikes...once that happens there can be a strike/lockout in any sport at anytime regardless of circumstance
Just think it would be the perfect reason to lose interest in football and rid ourselves of the heartache and let down until we die :paranoid
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 16, 2011, 12:20:33 PM
Money, and people's love of it, will ensure there's a 2011 NFL season
The owner's are getting that 5 billion dollar TV contract with or without a season.
No shtein? That doesn't seem right...maybe there won't be football then.
Do the players still get paid regardless too?
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 17, 2011, 01:56:16 PM
No shtein? That doesn't seem right...maybe there won't be football then.
Do the players still get paid regardless too?
Last I heard the players were trying to get an injunction or something to try and make sure the owners don't get paid if there's no season. However, right now, the way the TV contracts are set up, the owners are getting paid regardless.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2011, 02:09:53 PM
baseball didnt have a world series one year...that was like the gretzky being traded of strikes...once that happens there can be a strike/lockout in any sport at anytime regardless of circumstance
Unlike baseball, the NFL knows that they could lose and entire season and fans will still be lining up to get tickets. Obviously they'd lose money next year without a season but it would never have the same long term impact that baseball suffered through.
actually nfl ticket sales have steadily gone down...what makes the nfl money is tv contracts
but i wasnt talking specifics and comparing the two situations...im saying in a general sense once baseball pissed away a world series which was something no one on earth ever thought would happen (where as theres many people that think the nfl could stop play) you no longer could ever say again a strike/lock out definitely wont happen
just like once gretzky got traded the days of untouchable players or the thought that theres no way a certain guy would ever get moved ended
theyd lose an enormous amount of momentum but kind of like hockey people will just eventually come back because they love it so much/have gambling problems
in fact the fans response to hockeys lost season was sickening and one of the many reasons i dont give a shtein anymore
Quote from: MDS on January 18, 2011, 06:40:53 PM
in fact the fans response to hockeys lost season was sickening and one of the many reasons i dont give a shtein anymore
one of the dumbest things ever said about any sports related topic
hockey needed a lockout/strike...it was a completely broken sport...which is the exact opposite of a baseball or football where a stike/lockouts are all about money and only money
hockey on the other hand drastically changed the rules and the enforcement of rules in its game and for the better...and even in the areas where money was the factor they pretty much handled everything right...specifically instituting a salary cap...so to somehow hold it against the fans for coming back right away is beyond stupid as it was an incredibly productive time of stoppage and the sport that returned was much better than the one that left
and lets be real you never cared about hockey to begin with...but the notion that you became less interested in it because of fans reaction to its work stoppage is ludicrous
IGY is on point today with some of his posts. Must have been that clean MA air getting in his blood or something. I dislike hockey a little less post lockout thanks to some of the rule changes. I still won't make it a point to watch a game but if that's all they're showing at the bar, I'm not bitching quite as much either.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2011, 08:20:23 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 18, 2011, 06:40:53 PM
in fact the fans response to hockeys lost season was sickening and one of the many reasons i dont give a shtein anymore
one of the dumbest things ever said about any sports related topic
hockey needed a lockout/strike...it was a completely broken sport...which is the exact opposite of a baseball or football where a stike/lockouts are all about money and only money
hockey on the other hand drastically changed the rules and the enforcement of rules in its game and for the better...and even in the areas where money was the factor they pretty much handled everything right...specifically instituting a salary cap...so to somehow hold it against the fans for coming back right away is beyond stupid as it was an incredibly productive time of stoppage and the sport that returned was much better than the one that left
and lets be real you never cared about hockey to begin with...but the notion that you became less interested in it because of fans reaction to its work stoppage is ludicrous
you obviously didnt know me back in the day, i was mad into the eric lindros era flyers. i had a john leclair jersey and used to listen to games on the radio. that loss to the devils in 01 still pains me.
but yes...i dont care about needed rule changes or whatever. they canceled an entire season of a sport because of bullshtein and everyone came back as if nothing happened. but this is what you get when 95% of the fan bases are northern us MAers and canadiens.
Quote from: MDS on January 18, 2011, 11:22:08 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2011, 08:20:23 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 18, 2011, 06:40:53 PM
in fact the fans response to hockeys lost season was sickening and one of the many reasons i dont give a shtein anymore
one of the dumbest things ever said about any sports related topic
hockey needed a lockout/strike...it was a completely broken sport...which is the exact opposite of a baseball or football where a stike/lockouts are all about money and only money
hockey on the other hand drastically changed the rules and the enforcement of rules in its game and for the better...and even in the areas where money was the factor they pretty much handled everything right...specifically instituting a salary cap...so to somehow hold it against the fans for coming back right away is beyond stupid as it was an incredibly productive time of stoppage and the sport that returned was much better than the one that left
and lets be real you never cared about hockey to begin with...but the notion that you became less interested in it because of fans reaction to its work stoppage is ludicrous
you obviously didnt know me back in the day, i was mad into the eric lindros era flyers. Quotei had a john leclair jersey and used to listen to games on the radio. that loss to the devils in 01 still pains me.
ha..sure it does migy
Mike Patterson is now going to be an unrestricted free agent. The remaining years of his deal voided for whatever reason.
I hear Haynesworth is available.
Also, the Eagles are expected to sign the top pass rusher from the CFL, Phillip Hunt (http://nflbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/nflbuzz/source_eagles_expected_to_sign_cfls_top_pass_rusher/4141751).
QuoteUpdate: That report is not true. Patterson is NOT a free agent.
Thank God. He's a really great player.
Well, he's at least a serviceable starter.
Vick to get franchised. Akers to get transitioned. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/15/franchise-tag-coming-for-vick-transition-tag-for-akers/)
Trent Cole has arthroscopic elbow surgery (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/15/trent-cole-undergoes-elbow-surgery/)
Joe Banner doesn't rule out Asogmguhauhaa (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Could_Eagles_pursue_another_star_CB.html)
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 15, 2011, 12:03:41 PM
Trent Cole has arthroscopic elbow surgery (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/15/trent-cole-undergoes-elbow-surgery/)
Wonder if that affected his Archery season.
QuoteEagles President Joe Banner joined Howard Eskin on WIP Wednesday and tried to dispel the feeling in Philadelphia that the clock is ticking on Andy Reid's time in Philadelphia.
Banner says the team believes Reid gives them the best shot to win the Super Bowl and that anyone that has been around Reid believes the coach is good enough to win a title.
"Sometimes its baffling he hasn't won a Super bowl, multiple Super Bowls," Banner remarked. "I'm very confident he's very capable of winning multiple Super Bowls. I'm shocked he hasn't."
With that said, Banner doesn't believe Reid lacks some magical quality that Super Bowl winning coaches possess. Banner noted that the head coach in Washington D.C. had multiple Super Bowls and that he doesn't know anyone that would trade Andy Reid for Mike Shanahan.
Boom. Roasted.
It's worth noting the Eagles President threw in the comment as an aside and certainly not as some premeditated trash talk.
It was just Banner speaking the truth, and we doubt many people around the NFL would disagree with him.
WHY IS HE TALKING
every time he says something i vomit
every farging time
Look, if you want IGY to make sweet love to you, just grease up and hide in his basement. Because unless you're trying to impress him and start a circle jerk of agreement, there is absolutely no reason to make that post. Biter.
rape basement
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 16, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
Look, if you want IGY to make sweet love to you, just grease up and hide in his basement. Because unless you're trying to impress him and start a circle jerk of agreement, there is absolutely no reason to make that post. Biter.
why is joe farging banner trying to snidely talk trash
he is sickening beyond belief and it has nothing to do with my man love for fatty havas
hes exactly right on his comment about shanahan regardless if you fake hate him or not.
Quote from: MDS on February 16, 2011, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 16, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
Look, if you want IGY to make sweet love to you, just grease up and hide in his basement. Because unless you're trying to impress him and start a circle jerk of agreement, there is absolutely no reason to make that post. Biter.
why is joe farging banner trying to snidely talk trash
he is sickening beyond belief and it has nothing to do with my man love for fatty havas
Nothing Banner does or says is surprising to anyone at this point, and only IGY still cares about bitching about it. So you are trying to get him aroused, and there are easier ways to do that.
name one
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donut!
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Quote from: SD on February 17, 2011, 05:49:11 AM
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Sup
Quote from: SunMo on February 17, 2011, 08:08:11 AM
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three questions:
what car is that
is the place she's leaving for sale
omg that bag is gigantic, what doesn't she have in there
that car is an audi
ah, so it is...thanks
who the farg is that. pasty.
Anne Hathaway
oh. nice.
Ha!
She is hot, but not in that pic. Get that girl a tan and tell her to stop wearing so much black until she darkens up a bit.
She'd get it sideways.
You'd farger her on her side, like, roll her onto her hip? Why her and not someone else?
Who would get it upside down?
Gin.
vodka
James Urban, who was "promoted" from QB coach to assistant offensive coordinator less than 2 weeks ago, decided that he'd rather coach wide receivers in Cincinnati.
That is a little strange
Makes sense to me. Guy wants a career in coaching at the NFL level and it's time to move on.
Would anybody care to have their head explode today?
Quote* In perhaps his toughest rhetorical challenge, Banner tried to assert that the six-time Super Bowl champion Steelers, who have appeared in three of the last six Super Bowls and won two of them, really aren't any more successful than the Eagles on balance, because they haven't made the playoffs nine of the last 11 years, or been to five conference championship games in the last decade, the way the Eagles have.
http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-17/sports/28549831_1_andy-reid-birds-banner-taterskins-coach-mike-shanahan/2
I suppose that really shouldn't be unexpected.
Did anyone hear this interview, and was that actually said?
Not saying that the Steelers missed the playoffs 9 out of 11, but saying that the Eagles have made the playoffs 9 out of 11 and that the Steelers haven't.
joe banner is whats wrong with society
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 22, 2011, 02:52:47 PM
Would anybody care to have their head explode today?
Quote* In perhaps his toughest rhetorical challenge, Banner tried to assert that the six-time Super Bowl champion Steelers, who have appeared in three of the last six Super Bowls and won two of them, really aren't any more successful than the Eagles on balance, because they haven't made the playoffs nine of the last 11 years, or been to five conference championship games in the last decade, the way the Eagles have.
http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-17/sports/28549831_1_andy-reid-birds-banner-taterskins-coach-mike-shanahan/2
I suppose that really shouldn't be unexpected.
Did anyone hear this interview, and was that actually said?
he said that last week or the week before
he basically tried to compare the eagles in the 00's to the steelers
definitely in the same league with the gold standard statement
joe is the gift that keeps on giving
the only thing worse than banner is reading about his retardation here.
please just stop talking about him once & for all.
Quote from: Rome on February 22, 2011, 05:22:52 PM
the only thing worse than banner is reading just about anything here.
fixed
Quote from: Rome on February 22, 2011, 05:22:52 PM
the only thing worse than banner is reading about his retardation here.
Agreed, if we're going to post Banner's PR blurbs, we might as well post every Spadaro article also. Who gives a shtein? Let TATE discuss that content-free stuff.
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 22, 2011, 05:29:04 PM
Quote from: Rome on February 22, 2011, 05:22:52 PM
the only thing worse than banner is reading about his retardation here.
Agreed, if we're going to post Banner's PR blurbs, we might as well post every Spadaro article also. Who gives a shtein? Let TATE discuss that content-free stuff.
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 22, 2011, 05:29:04 PM
Quote from: Rome on February 22, 2011, 05:22:52 PM
the only thing worse than banner is reading about his retardation here.
Agreed, if we're going to post Banner's PR blurbs, we might as well post every Spadaro article also. Who gives a shtein? Let TATE discuss that content-free stuff.
if it doesnt interest you and youd rather talk about rashard jeanty then thats cool but to ignore things the front office says is silly
I'm all for discussing anything relevant that front office offers. If they sign players, great. If they make trades, wonderful. If Banner sticks his farging foot in his mouth for the 10 thousandth time, then no.
If you want to obsess over that douchebag corksucker, then do it by drawing his picture on your computer screen, then smash it with a hammer.
once you have a twitter thread pretty much everything is open season much less a thread about the front office
The Eagles are not cheap when it comes to their coaching staff (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110225_Paul_Domowitch__Eagles_credited_for_treating_their_coaching_staff_well.html)
QuoteThey could drive through Center City throwing stacks of $100 bills out the moon roof of Banner's Audi and people still would accuse them of being penny pinchers.
Is it asking to much that they at least try this once?
On a serious note, it is nice that they're treating the coaches well.
there is a vocal minority that accuses them of being cheap but on the whole its a mere fraction of the fanbase...its not fair at all to insinuate everyone thinks they are cheap
QuoteEagles' Brandon Graham says broke teammate asked for $100K loan
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 28, 2011, 12:40 PM EST
Can NFL players manage their money well enough to make it through a lengthy work stoppage and afford to pay their bills? Or will the players' union buckle quickly to the owners' demands because union members simply can't afford to miss any paychecks?
That's one of the fundamental questions as the owners and the players continue their negotiations toward a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. And a story told by one NFL player suggests that the players simply aren't prepared to play hardball with the owners.
Eagles defensive end Brandon Graham tells Philadelphia Sports Daily that he has had teammates come to him and say they're broke, asking for loans of as much as $100,000.
"They try not to make it awkward. They'll come to you like they're joking, but they're serious. They're trying to feel you out, to see what you'll say," Graham said.
Graham says that if his teammates can't manage their own money, there's no way he's lending them any of his money.
"I'll be like, 'What are you going to do with it, other than blow it?' I don't want to be beefing with guys on my team because they owe me money," Graham said.
Graham is smart to put his foot down with his teammates. If the union leadership is smart, it's been giving a tough message to its membership about the importance of saving money for a potential lockout. But if those members haven't been smart with their money, the union is going to have a hard time staying strong once the paychecks stop coming.
Ok - so who is the brokeass?
kenny mckinley?
Pimp
Vick is broke.
nice to see the nflpa has its younger members helping with the posturing.
why is anyone in their right minds even tossing around the thought of the eagles signing Shockey?
Just reading or hearing that is making me :boom :boom :boom
no one has said it
im sure someone somewhere on facebook has
is it true that one facebook post = 10,000 fans saying it?
According to science, yes.
Zuckerberg just made another 10 million by you saying Facebook.
i'm happy for him
he deserves it
This is the first I'd heard of any Eagles fans even mentioning the idea of getting Shockey. I assume that most casual fans don't know or care that he's even available, and most knowledgeable/diehard fans aren't interested. So unless PG is slumming it on the wasteland in-between known as the "official" board, this is really confusing.
That said I think that we should all now agree that the Eagles signing Shockey would be a great idea for our personal entertainment/comedy, if nothing else.
Anyone else get the feeling that PG spends far too much time on facebook and thus represents a personification of the downfall of western society?
not one single person on fb said it. so all of go kill yourselves. thx
So, it's just the voices in your head? The parts of you that would die happy in a Werth/Shockey love sandwich?
I'd rather have Jeff Thomason back than Jeremy Shockey
lets discuss the pro and cons of a shockey signing
You first.
Pros:
- Cool Hair
- Fiery (aka gritty)
- White
Cons:
- White
- Injured all the time
- cocky U product who sucks
pro: there might not be a season
con: everything else
Dreamy
Let's just get Celek an arm tattoo and say we did it.
no one is talking about getting Shockey
i think that has been adequately covered
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 01, 2011, 06:49:21 PM
Let's just get Celek an arm tattoo and say we did it.
We all look alike.
Matt Nagy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Nagy), Offensive Quality Control coach!
There we go! The puzzle is complete.
Good for him.
So Quality Control Coach is like what, Assistant to the Traveling Secretary?
Shady's new backup? (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/07/brian-westbrook-talks-to-andy-reid-regularly-wants-to-play-for-eagles/)
I dont know where else to put this...
QuoteEagles fans rated as worst in America
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 18, 2011, 8:32 AM EDT
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This one comes from our "stuff we're writing about in an attempt to find anything not related to the lockout" department: A new ranking of the worst sports fans in America ranks Philadelphia Eagles fans at the top of the list, which is to say the bottom of the barrel.
Specifically, GQ says Philadelphia Eagles and Phillies fans are tied for the worst.
As the Philadelphia Daily News notes, GQ's rankings are highly subjective, and they trot out the tired old stories you've already heard, about how Philly fans booed Santa Claus, and how Michael Irvin was treated to a profane barrage as he was carted off the field with a career-ending neck injury.
Florio will be thrilled to know that after Philly fans, the next-worst fan base belongs to the West Virginia Mountaineers. Raiders fans come in fourth
I heard an ESPN Radio lackey talking about this yesterday and his entire argument was that because that fat slob puked on the girl at the Phillies game, these ratings were justified.
they actually ranked philly fans as the #1 and #2 worst fans in america. so funny and original!
barstool had the line of the day yesterday when this came out - something along the lines of "hey gq, go ask fans who have attended games in oakland and left w stab wounds who the worst fans in america are and see if they say philly"
Funniest thing I ever heard is when Irvin went down and someone yelled out stick a needle in his neck, the crackhead is used to it. Also - wrap a chain around his neck and drag his ass off the field! Good stuff.
Penn State football is #7, Maryland basketball is #5... The list (http://www.gq.com/sports/lists/201104/worst-sports-fans-in-america?slide=14#slide=14) has some good entertainment value.