QuoteEagles trade for DE Tapp
The Eagles are making their splash now.
Just an hour after tendering restricted free agent Mike Bell an offer sheet, the team has traded defensive end Chris Clemons and a fourth-round pick to Seattle for defensive end Darryl Tapp, according to a team source.
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It was definitely a need. Just not sure that they need this clown.
Seems like pretty much a lateral move, but with the loss of a 4th round pick thrown in.
Awesome.
I don't even begin to get this one.
Tapp is garbage.
i mean id definitely rather have him than kaampman or vandenbosch...its not even close actually....who knows how good his prime will be but hes just entering it...
i was just laughing at the making a splash comment by i presume spads or someone of that ilk
Quote from: Rome on March 16, 2010, 07:23:45 PM
I don't even begin to get this one.
Tapp is garbage.
hes young and cheap....they are taking a chance on him rather than in their minds 'overpay' on an elder like peppers kaampman vandenbosch ect...
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2010, 07:26:40 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 16, 2010, 07:23:45 PM
I don't even begin to get this one.
Tapp is garbage.
hes young and cheap....they are taking a chance on him rather than in their minds 'overpay' on an elder like peppers kaampman vandenbosch ect...
A 4th round draft pick would have been younger and cheaper, and not have spent the last 3 years starting less and less games.
Quote from: Rome on March 16, 2010, 07:23:45 PM
I don't even begin to get this one.
Tapp is garbage.
at least you were right about them trading picks to fill needs.
youre comparing a hypothetical 4th rounder to a current nfl player???
people always make fun of the eagles for worshipping draft picks and now they trade a mid round pick for a young established player that they like and you have a problem with it
I'm just saying you used young and cheap as a main argument for the trade when a 4th round draft pick would have been younger and cheaper.
And lol at "established". Established to ride the bench just like Clemons did. This guy had half a sack less than Clemons did last year, and that's with 5 games started. He's had one "good year", which was in 2007, and has started a decreasing amount of games since then.
In other words, he's Chris Clemons. Which they already had. They also had a 4th round pick, that most likely would have been wasted, but then again it could have been another blind luck Trent Cole.
He's going to be the next Derrick Thomas!
Or Thomas Derrick.
Whatever.
younger and cheaper than the other ends on the market you dumb ass
and hes not even close to chris clemons...clemons was more a 3-4 type edge rusher who wasnt a four down guy...tapp is a classic big 4-3 end who can play the run very well...hes not going to get you tons of sacks and wreak havoc like a peppers...you think you can get that for a fourth round pick?
christ why do i even address you on any sports related issues...should have made an ignore feature rather than a new board
Just getting Clemons off the roster is worth a 4th round pick. I'm happy to see someone else in his roster spot. As for Tapp, I have no idea about the guy. Can't be much worse than Chris.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 16, 2010, 07:40:52 PM
Just getting Clemons off the roster is worth a 4th round pick. I'm happy to see someone else in his roster spot. As for Tapp, I have no idea about the guy. Can't be much worse than Chris.
couldnt agree more...he was the definition of dead weight
replacing dead weight with dead weight is the definition of stupid.
i'm all for kicking clemons to the curb but doing so plus giving a decent draft choice and then turning around and giving a long-term extension to a player who doesn't deserve one is the definition of insanity.
and the funny thing is we've seen it a million times before from this bunch of dipshteins.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2010, 07:39:49 PM
younger and cheaper than the other ends on the market you dumb ass
and hes not even close to chris clemons...clemons was more a 3-4 type edge rusher who wasnt a four down guy...tapp is a classic big 4-3 end who can play the run very well...hes not going to get you tons of sacks and wreak havoc like a peppers...you think you can get that for a fourth round pick?
christ why do i even address you on any sports related issues...should have made an ignore feature rather than a new board
There are no ends on the market right now worth the money they want. Paying for any of them would be just as dumb as trading for dead weight.
They don't need a big solidbutunspectacular guy opposite of Cole. They need someone who's gonna get some push and eat up a double team or two to free Killa up.
And no, I don't think they are going to get that in a 4th round pick. But I think their chances of getting that are better in a 4th (or 5th round pick, hello Trent Cole) round pick then getting anything worth noting out of Tapp. Hey maybe he does turn his career around which has been on the downturn for the last 3 years, and that's great.
But I remember a lot of the same expectations for Clemons when they signed him. A guy that had one good year and showed flashes, hoping he'd develop.
seattle wasnt caking him off...certainly the eagles arent...if he gets an extension it will be minor
if youre married to 4th round picks then i guess i vcan see you being upset with this...i personally dont have a problem trading a 4th for a guy like this...worst case scenario is he stays as he is and becomes a non descript rotation guy
best case he turns into aaron kampman or kyle vandenbosch whose sack numbers both exploded at the same age tapp is now after not doing much their first few years in the league
Those guys are white though. They had a step up.
Also, no one is upset about this. It's just a dumb move.
Quote from: Munson on March 16, 2010, 08:02:16 PM
But I think their chances of getting that are better in a 4th (or 5th round pick, hello Trent Cole)
trey darilek
tomas tapeh
ryan moats
sean considine
max jean gillies
tony hunt
cj gaddis
mike mcglynn
quinton demps
scot peters
freddie milons
Quote from: Munson on March 16, 2010, 08:05:32 PM
Also, no one is upset about this. It's just a dumb move.
lol...more brilliance
so you dont mind when the eagles make dumb moves?
Oh wow. I just got angry reading that.
Scott Peters. Dead.
I'd still rather them have a 4th round draft pick because it's a ???
This guy is not a ???, he's Chris Clemons, the non-pass rushing version.
And this isn't a dumb move on a large scale, it's dumb because it's a completely lateral move with the loss of a 4th round pick attached to it. Not worth getting upset over, but still worth saying what the hell was the point of that other then to save afew bucks.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2010, 08:08:49 PM
Quote from: Munson on March 16, 2010, 08:02:16 PM
But I think their chances of getting that are better in a 4th (or 5th round pick, hello Trent Cole)
trey darilek
tomas tapeh
ryan moats
sean considine
max jean gillies
tony hunt
cj gaddis
mike mcglynn
quinton demps
scot peters
freddie milons
wow...what a zesty looking list.
Quote from: Munson on March 16, 2010, 08:11:25 PM
I'd still rather them have a 4th round draft pick because it's a ???
This guy is not a ???, he's Chris Clemons, the non-pass rushing version.
And this isn't a dumb move on a large scale, it's dumb because it's a completely lateral move with the loss of a 4th round pick attached to it.
im pretty sure i just showed you a 4th round pick is not a questionmark...its pretty good odds they are going to get a terrible player
and its not a lateral move if tapp is better than clemons and he certainly is...is it a gigantic step forward of course not....and if tapp improves...which is entirely possible then it a really good move
they upgraded at de got younbger at de and received a player with potential at de....imo thats is worth the "risk" of giving up a 4th rounder
Freddie Milons still has a chance!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2010, 08:15:49 PM
Quote from: Munson on March 16, 2010, 08:11:25 PM
I'd still rather them have a 4th round draft pick because it's a ???
This guy is not a ???, he's Chris Clemons, the non-pass rushing version.
And this isn't a dumb move on a large scale, it's dumb because it's a completely lateral move with the loss of a 4th round pick attached to it.
im pretty sure i just showed you a 4th round pick is not a questionmark...its pretty good odds they are going to get a terrible player
and its not a lateral move if tapp is better than clemons and he certainly is...is it a gigantic step forward of course not....and if tapp improves...which is entirely possible then it a really good move
they upgraded at de got younbger at de and received a player with potential at de....imo thats is worth the "risk" of giving up a 4th rounder
The fact that there are "odds" and that it's not 100% certain the pick will suck makes the argument for it being a ??. The odds are with the Eagles history of 2nd round draft picks that Kolb is going to suck balls as a starter, but you still parade around screaming for him over McNabb for the simple reason that he's a ??. Stop making yourself look like an idiot.
And of course it's not a lateral move if Tapp is better...But he's not. He's Clemons, minus the pass rushing ability, but a little bigger and can play the run better. That's not what the Eagles need at end opposite of Cole.
lol at a guy who has started fewer and fewer games and seen his stats decrease each year for the last 3 years in Seattle being an "upgrade".
i guarantee you the eagles sell us this guy as the answer at defensive end when he clearly is not. if they were bringing him in as a rotational guy or even a special teams guy, i'd be fine with it, but just wait and see... they're going to piss on our necks and call it rain.
again.
Your stats would decrease too if you were stuck with Jim Mora Jr. as a head coach. Terrible coach.
I agree.
But if this guy was that solid of a contributor, surely he would have started more then 5 games last year after starting all 16 two years prior to that.
Pete Carroll must really like what he sees in h-..oh.
Quote from: Rome on March 16, 2010, 08:23:04 PM
i guarantee you the eagles sell us this guy as the answer at defensive end when he clearly is not. if they were bringing him in as a rotational guy or even a special teams guy, i'd be fine with it, but just wait and see... they're going to piss on our necks and call it rain.
again.
Agreed. They did the same with Clemons who we just traded.
Remember the spin in the offseason? He had 7 sacks in limited snaps, he'll probably get 10+ here, etc...
Quote from: Rome on March 16, 2010, 08:23:04 PM
i guarantee you the eagles sell us this guy as the answer at defensive end when he clearly is not. if they were bringing him in as a rotational guy or even a special teams guy, i'd be fine with it, but just wait and see... they're going to piss on our necks and call it rain.
again.
i think he definitely starts....i mean if he cant beat out juqua parker then he should just quit the game
Can someone explain to me why anyone would care this much about giving up a fourth round pick? Established 26 year old DE with every down experience > random fourth round white dude. farg.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2010, 08:55:02 PM
Can someone explain to me why anyone would care this much about giving up a fourth round pick? Established 26 year old DE with every down experience > random fourth round white dude. farg.
exactly. Holy shtein at the comments in this thread. :-D
Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2010, 08:55:02 PM
Can someone explain to me why anyone would care this much about giving up a fourth round pick? Established 26 year old DE with every down experience > random fourth round white dude. farg.
no one cares they just think its a dumb move
Why would they think anything about it one way or another? Jesus it's the second most boring move in the most boring offseason in memory. At least the Mike McMahon offseason was enraging. This is just boring as shtein.
they wouldnt....i was just paraphrasing another classic munsonism
Hm. Indeed.
Pretty much the definition of a lateral move, plus the youth and upside Tapp brings. So basically it was trading a fourth for a younger rotational guy. Whatever. They still need to draft nothing but defense, and a DE should be taken in the first three rounds.
cant see how this is a bad move. plus, I think he was playing behind kerney as a situational rusher, and was still tied 7th in the nfl in qb hits/hurries last year.
this guy looks like he can get to the qb, but of course so did clemons. its worth the unknown 4th rd'er no doubt.
now go DE 1st or 2nd rd and all is good
I just read that during his best year, where he had seven sacks, four of them came in one game.............against the Rams.
Quote from: reese125 on March 16, 2010, 09:14:12 PM
cant see how this is a bad move. plus, I think he was playing behind kerney as a situational rusher, and was still tied 7th in the nfl in qb hits/hurries last year.
this guy looks like he can get to the qb, but of course so did clemons. its worth the unknown 4th rd'er no doubt.
now go DE 1st or 2nd rd and all is good
that's the thing, now I think they don't go DE in the 1st or 2nd round.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on March 16, 2010, 09:30:56 PM
I just read that during his best year, where he had seven sacks, four of them came in one game.............against the Rams.
And I'm sorry, I missed what Clemons has done for the Eagles?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2010, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on March 16, 2010, 09:30:56 PM
I just read that during his best year, where he had seven sacks, four of them came in one game.............against the Rams.
And I'm sorry, I missed what Clemons has done for the Eagles?
Is that the point???
you know people in seattle are having this same discussion, "clemmons has to be better than tapp, at least tapp is gone...and we got a fourth round pick!"
Tough to get excited for this trade either way. Clemons has done all of nothing for the Eagles and was very likely to get cut if they brought in a high pick at DE. So basically they give up a 4th for this guy. Whatever
The team is clearly not bringing this guy in to be a sack machine. I mean, that just isn't this dude's game. He get's pressure, great. But I can't imagine that he's anything other than a 270 pound Brandon Whiting type who will show some size and some ability to apply pressure.
He's young and he isn't Chris Clemons. Lock.
i like him because he has a name that makes me think of beer
Yay?
Lateral move for now....but unlike Clemons, whose upside was nil, Tapp still has a shot.
The best thing about this deal is that Howie Roseman's seasoned eye for talent really thinks he's an up and comer in the NFL.
Now we can all sleep at night.
ok so i looked it up...just a comparison to the other DE's on the market this year...not including peppers who is obviously way better
aaron kampman
13 sacks first four years
switched teams
next year 15.5 sacks
kyle vandenbosch
4 sacks first three years
switched teams
next year 13 sacks
daryll tapp
16 sacks first four years
switched teams
??.......
just sayin
the capacity for swallowing eagles spunk that some of you have is truly astounding.
jesus...
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2010, 07:12:38 AM
ok so i looked it up...just a comparison to the other DE's on the market this year...not including peppers who is obviously way better
aaron kampman
13 sacks first four years
switched teams
next year 15.5 sacks
kyle vandenbosch
4 sacks first three years
switched teams
next year 13 sacks
daryll tapp
16 sacks first four years
switched teams
??.......
just sayin
We all saw basically the same thing with Derrick Burgess. 8.5 sacks over the first 3 years then 35 over the next 3, with 16 the following year.
Quote from: Rome on March 17, 2010, 07:35:33 AM
the capacity for swallowing eagles spunk that some of you have is truly astounding.
yeah im huge banner inc supporter....you got me
btw i havent heard one word the eagles have said on this move...other than that it was a big splash...which i mocked
tapp is garbage and all you're doing in this thread is whipping yourself off.
that's fine. just be honest about it for a change.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 17, 2010, 07:42:19 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2010, 07:12:38 AM
ok so i looked it up...just a comparison to the other DE's on the market this year...not including peppers who is obviously way better
aaron kampman
13 sacks first four years
switched teams
next year 15.5 sacks
kyle vandenbosch
4 sacks first three years
switched teams
next year 13 sacks
daryll tapp
16 sacks first four years
switched teams
??.......
just sayin
We all saw basically the same thing with Derrick Burgess. 8.5 sacks over the first 3 years then 35 over the next 3, with 16 the following year.
well to be fair burgess played less than 30 gams his first four years...not exactly the same thing
Quote from: Rome on March 17, 2010, 07:48:34 AM
tapp is garbage
no clemons was garbage...clemons played 200 snaps last year tapp played 700....clemons literally cant get on the field for a team that is desperate for qb pressure and has juqua parker playing one end
not saying tapp is a beast or anything but he was definitely worth a 4th round pick...and like someone else said getting rid of clemons is a great thing
Not sure what the whining is about. Clemons is a glorified linebacker, and this guy is a prototypical DE.
I don't think even the Eagles think he'll be a worldbeater-- they obviously didn't trade for this guy to be a pass rushing specialist. They've got those guys, which is why Clemons was completely expendable....meaning there was a good chance he wasn't making the team anyway. So, basically, they traded a 4th round pick for general purpose, NFL-ready DE with some upside. This guy could be even worse than advertised and STILL be infinitely more productive than an average 4th rounder.
Hard to get really excited about it either way, but it's also hard to kill the move.
Rome is salty about a move?
I'm shocked!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2010, 07:47:11 AM
Quote from: Rome on March 17, 2010, 07:35:33 AM
the capacity for swallowing eagles spunk that some of you have is truly astounding.
yeah im huge banner inc supporter....you got me
btw i havent heard one word the eagles have said on this move...other than that it was a big splash...which i mocked
so you missed this comment from roseman which was posted in this thread ?
QuoteHowie Roseman's seasoned eye for talent really thinks he's an up and comer in the NFL.
this move really does nothing for me one way or the other. i still think if the eagles are going to make any big moves it will be on draft day.
well of course the eagles think hes an up and comer or they wouldnt have traded a draft pick for him...i dont consider that "spunk"
im saying i havent heard any comments by them saying hes the answer or even the starter
the seasoned eye for talent tidbit is infuriating...and the desperation to make howie roseman some sort of PP genius is sad but i dont think that specifically applies to this move
Seasoned eye for talent. :-D
What if Roseman becomes the best GM the Eagles ever had? Just sayin...
point is that comment is laying the foundation for the PR birage you and everyone else knows is coming about this guy.
again the move does nothing for me one way or the other.
yes he's young and has more upside then clemmons and should benefit from having cole opposite of him just like kerney helped him in 07 but the guy really didnt do that much for seattle and played in a really weak division when it comes to the o-lines he played against. rams, cards, niners ?
i just don't think they're jumping on big moves because well, there really aren't players that are worth it and i agree.
Quote from: smeags on March 17, 2010, 08:47:10 AM
point is that comment is laying the foundation for the PR birage you and everyone else knows is coming about this guy.
no the point was that romey said i and others were buying the eagles 'spunk' on this move...which is 100% false
i just think romey has male spunk on his mind in general. :paranoid
good times
This is a good move. Tapp played extremely well at VT and has a lot of upside, unlike Clemons who came out of nowhere and was a stretch to think he could grow. I think a rotation of Abimi and Tapp will do well across from Killa. Clemons was a turd.
vick played extremely well at VT too.
just sayin'
Quote from: smeags on March 17, 2010, 09:14:26 AM
vick played better than McNabb in the playoffs last year.
just sayin'
great, make him the starter based off of one play.
Quote from: phillycrew on March 17, 2010, 09:09:28 AM
This is a good move. Tapp played extremely well at VT and has a lot of upside, unlike Clemons who came out of nowhere and was a stretch to think he could grow. I think a rotation of Abimi and Tapp will do well across from Killa. Clemons was a turd.
tapp is a totally different guy than he was at virginia tech...he was like 245 in college and wreaked havoc off the edge...i farging loved him as a college player but its best not to even think about that now or be disappointed
now hes in the 270's and is imo a better run stopper than pass rusher
Quote from: smeags on March 17, 2010, 09:26:30 AM
great, make him the starter based off of one play.
That's actually the opposite of the point I was trying to make.
sarcasm should be banned from the internet[/sarcasm]
Quote from: rjs246 on March 17, 2010, 09:35:29 AM
Quote from: smeags on March 17, 2010, 09:26:30 AM
great, make him the starter based off of one play.
That's actually the opposite of the point I was trying to make.
where's the :doh: smiley ?
Love this trade.
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