What a story. This welfare supported, mad science fueled mother of fourteen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadya_Suleman#Nadya_Suleman) has boiled some strange shtein to the surface.
Some of the crap I've heard:
The state should seize the babies and adopt them out.
The state should cap how many children people can have. Or at least welfare mothers. Or at the very least single welfare mothers.
A woman cannot raise 14 children.
People are sending death threats to Suleman as well as the PR person who set up a site for her.
Conservatives are biting themselves raw: which family value is more fundamental, the sanctity of life or the hatred of welfare mothers?
Can you imagine the craziness we'd have on our hands if Suleman were black and uneducated instead of whit(ish) with a college degree?
What kind of limits can we really put on stuff like this? What about 60 year old women who have babies by science? Do you apply the same rules to men?
I can't agree with most of the shtein I've heard. Obviously this was some irresponsible shtein to pull. But Jesus Christ, I can't get behind the idea of the government taking this woman's children away.
I pretty much echo your thoughts on this. I have no idea who to blame or where they should go from here, but I do know the lady is bat shtein crazy.
It's amazing to me that it took this long for such a sensational dilemma of reproductive medicine and politics to occur. You'd think we'd have seen something like this by now given how long it's been possible.
Why are we celebrating John and Kate plus eight, and those repulsive Duggar fundies, but this woman gets scorn and death threats?
I have to say I'm enjoying all the self satisfied indignation and recriminations. This story is kind of like the Schiavo one, but a lot more complicated. It's bringing all kinds of idiocy out of the woodwork.
Can you even imagine what her stomach looks like now that it has been fully inflated and deflated so many times? 14 farging children. What a nightmare.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 17, 2009, 10:38:02 AM
Can you even imagine what her stomach looks like now that it has been fully inflated and deflated so many times? 14 farging children. What a nightmare.
14 children didn't use to be that unusual. Of course, in those families of a century-plus ago:
1. There was a husband present.
2. It didn't include eight at one time.
3. The economic situations didn't require two incomes to support TWO children, let alone 14, like they do now.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 17, 2009, 10:48:05 AM
3. The economic situation didn't require two incomes to support TWO children, let alone 14, like they do now.
Ain't that the truth! I'm not sure two even covers it nowadays.
That's what I find so remarkable about this. Finding the money to raise one or two children is daunting. If you factor in the cost of college it's downright terrifying. This pile of psycho is collecting welfare and pumping out children at an astronomical rate (fact), how is she going to feed and dress them, never mind get any of them an education? She won't and that's 14 more uneducated sacks of shtein running around, jamming up the airwaves with their texts.
OMG did u heer tht my mom had 8 more babies?! lol
LOL. UR crazy. Let go inhale glu and sleep w homeless guys.
lol. K. See u thr!
Look, I have no problem with large families.
HOWEVER, this single, broke, unemployed woman with 6 kids already (3 of them special needs kids...1 being autistic, 1 having ADHD and the other with a speech delay), who lives in squalor with her parents who PAY for those 6 kids already and had to file bankruptcy already because of it. Her father had to go to Iraq again to make more money for these 6 kids, let alone 8 more. She got $167,000 in disability settlement for the past 10 years. Used Most of it to get IVF and the rest of it to get plastic surgery. She gave NONE of it to her parents for taking care of her kids. Her mom didn't even KNOW about the settlement, for crying out loud. THIS woman...is sick and has no right getting IVF with 6 kids already...and having THAT many embryos transferred. :boom :boom :boom
She is out getting manicures now with 6 kids who need her at home, 8 in the NICU and a house that is absolutely disgusting (food on the walls, sheets instead of curtains covering windows, etc).
She will be bringing 8 NICU preemies home who will need the home to be practically spotless clean because of breathing issues. Impossible in that house.
She said she expects to get money from doing a TV reality show or interviews. She asked for $2 million from Oprah to do an interview a couple of days after the birth. :puke So far, no takers.
I could go on and on but I have too much work to do. This story sickens me beyond belief. I feel so badly for all 14 of those children AND this selfish bitch's parents.
I DO feel that CPS needs to get involved because these children will be neglected. ANd those poor, POOR kids with disabilities who will not get the care or attention they so desperately need.
As soon as the government starts meddling with people's right/ability to reproduce we have officially crossed over from paranoid Big-Brother delusions into smack-you-in-the-face Big-Brother realities.
This woman is farged and her children are farged as a result, but there's nothing we can do about it other than mock her until she dies.
It cannot be disputed that Suleman is irresponsible.
But I'm not buying into the idea that the kids will automatically be deprived, turn out awful, etc. God knows there are private citizens out there who will happily help to support and raise the children. We have precedent for that on television for farg sake. Maybe Suleman and the village she'll attract can actually pull it off. Stranger things have happened. Hell, plenty of people have one child and royally farg it up...only we don't see it on teevee so we don't sick CPS on them.
I firmly believe that, unless there is an event or situation that warrants it, child services should absolutely NOT get involved.
If the government can justify that solely based on the numbers ("she shouldn't have had 14 children, so we have the responsibility to look after.. blah blah blah"), that puts us further down the road of government interference in families.
If evidence comes up that warrants investigation, then proceed with due diligence. But the government cannot interfere simply because people don't think she should have had a large family.
until its proven that she cant care for all these kids people should just shut the farg up about it...this is btwn child services and the mother...rubber neckers and peanut gallery need not apply...
her fomer pr lady doing a one hour infomercial on larry king last night was sickening
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 17, 2009, 11:06:41 AM
I firmly believe that, unless there is an event or situation that warrants it, child services should absolutely NOT get involved.
i couldnt disagree more...regular check ins by child services is absolutely warranted in this case...you dont want them getting involved AFTER two of the kids are starved to death or sold into slavery...its situations like this that child service programs exist in the first place
I agree with vigy, there is already good reason for CPS to stay in touch with this family and make sure things aren't getting criminal. But I don't think Geo disagrees. I think he's saying that CPS doesn't have anything like grounds to remove the children from the family.
farg the children
Quote from: Diomedes on February 17, 2009, 10:31:49 AMWhy are we celebrating John and Kate plus eight, and those repulsive Duggar fundies, but this woman gets scorn and death threats?
Because they're married, white and suburban. Check out the shows about triplets and quads on Discovery Health. Same thing.....married, white and suburban. This woman is unmarried/separated/whatever, can't support herself on her own, has 3 kids with problems already and despite not having enough money decided "yay I want more kids I can't support but god damn I love babies". I'm glad the doctor (Michael Kamrava) is getting abused too because he saw dollar signs and didn't give a F. He also implanted a 49-yr old with quads (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4608623/Controversial-octuplets-doctor-helped-49-year-old-conceive-quadruplets.html) recently. Irresponsible a-holes....all of em....
The government has no business getting involved until she gets handed into child services. It's the parents responsibility 100% and they should be held accountable for any wrong doings. I don't care otherwise. It does make me slightly sick though that she seems to have done it for the attention and money of course.
Quote from: mussa on February 17, 2009, 11:20:02 AM
The government has no business getting involved until she gets handed into child services. It's the parents responsibility 100% and they should be held accountable for any wrong doings. I don't care otherwise. It does make me slightly sick though that she seems to have done it for the attention and money of course.
from all accounts the women does honestly love children...it doesnt appear she did it for money or attention...im not saying she isnt a little nutty but i dont think she had any sinister motives in doing this
Since this story has received so much attention she should funnel the situation into a single source like a reality show or a book and make some cash off of it. That's the American way.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 17, 2009, 12:13:25 PM
Since this story has received so much attention she should funnel the situation into a single source like a reality show or a book and make some cash off of it. That's the American way.
she should do this so her kids can eat
Quote from: rjs246 on February 17, 2009, 11:02:43 AM
This woman is farged and her children are farged as a result, but there's nothing we can do about it other than mock her until she dies.
This... :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 17, 2009, 11:44:15 AM
Quote from: mussa on February 17, 2009, 11:20:02 AM
The government has no business getting involved until she gets handed into child services. It's the parents responsibility 100% and they should be held accountable for any wrong doings. I don't care otherwise. It does make me slightly sick though that she seems to have done it for the attention and money of course.
from all accounts the women does honestly love children...it doesnt appear she did it for money or attention...im not saying she isnt a little nutty but i dont think she had any sinister motives in doing this
she asked Oprah to do an interview. FOR 2 MILLION DOLLARS. I understand the lady could use the money cause she has 14 kids, but to me it seems like this was a grand scheme before any meatcicle's were involved.
you wouldnt cake off if you could a this point...go for yours sister
im saying 15 months ago she didnt hatch a plan to have 8 tuplets and get rich off it
I don't think you can say that with any more certainty than I can say that she likes to shove baguettes up her nostrils and dance the cancan.
People do weird farged up shtein.
i can say that because her doctor told her at most two of the eggs would turn into babies...she didnt get 8 fetus injected into her...no one could have predicted what would happen
I could have, I just didn't want to.
youre special like that tho...you even have your own CF thread
Right?
With the number of triplet, quad, quint, etc babies that come out of the turkey baster, I'm pretty sure you could reasonably predict more than twins.
thats because those are the only stories that are reported...in most invetros 4 6 or 8 eggs are implanted and only one baby comes from it...in fact for this chick each of her first six preggers she had six eggs implanted and only one kid each time
So she kept rolling the dice until she came up with a clutch of fetuses?
JACKPOT!
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Oh god, kill it!
Make the doctor who implanted all those kids pay for their welfare before the state does. He's the real clown here.
I would argue that you're the real clown here, but whatever.
:puke
Man, no one in their right mind who looks like that would want there pic taken.
no pregant woman is in her right mind
in fact, no woman is in her right mind, they don't have a right mind
Quote from: Diomedes on February 17, 2009, 04:17:49 PM
no pregant woman is in her right mind
in fact, no woman is in her right mind, they don't have a right mind
:-D
I think the media is looking for mind farg situations like this to turn the simple minds on their ear. Fox included. Makes for great ratings and that strange cult of being right about everything politicos get something to harp on and spin their masses around and around... meh
not one stretch mark..beautiful
Looks like a Martian landscape.
Quote from: Phanatic on February 17, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
I think the media is looking for mind farg situations like this to turn the simple minds on their ear. Fox included. Makes for great ratings and that strange cult of being right about everything politicos get something to harp on and spin their masses around and around... meh
this makes some sense to me
I'd love to see the media basically say farg her and not pay for interviews and all that jazz.
I would love to see her drown in a ocean of turkey-baster administered semen.
Can you imagine all the stem cells that could be harvested from that bitch's mutant offspring?
Why do you hate Jesus?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 17, 2009, 03:25:16 PM
JACKPOT!
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Next time it'll be more like this:
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Quote from: Phanatic on February 17, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
I think the media is looking for mind farg situations like this to turn the simple minds on their ear. Fox included. Makes for great ratings and that strange cult of being right about everything politicos get something to harp on and spin their masses around and around... meh
Yeah well not like there is anything else important in the news. You know domestically or worldwide. Nothing at all.
I hate 24/7 "news" channels. Sure they provide great coverage for real stories from time to time when something big happens but most of it is filled with garbage like this.
I agree 100% that the government cannot get involved with natural conception. Basic human rights and all that...
But when you start with fertility treatments and IVF...isn't there some responsibility for government/medical due diligence similar to qualifying for adoption?
Quote from: Cerevant on February 18, 2009, 04:48:29 AMBut when you start with fertility treatments and IVF...isn't there some responsibility for government/medical due diligence similar to qualifying for adoption?
Yes, I think so. But the questions about how to do it are tricky. I don't know the science of it, but I do gather that IVF is a shot in the dark. You put half a dozen eggs up in there, doesn't mean you get 6 babies. Where do you draw the line? No IVF after you've had one kid? Two? Three? Four? Does that number slide if you're wealthy? What kind of due diligence could we actually put into policy that doesn't mess with basic human rights?
its such a rare thing that the issue is beyond insignificant and needs no attention period much less governmental regulation
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 17, 2009, 10:31:54 PM
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What a great movie.
It was way better than Shawshank.
I love it when our little banter comes full circle.
Heh heh, you said "comes."
really? because it makes me want to kill myself
Quote from: Diomedes on February 18, 2009, 08:07:44 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on February 18, 2009, 04:48:29 AMBut when you start with fertility treatments and IVF...isn't there some responsibility for government/medical due diligence similar to qualifying for adoption?
Yes, I think so. But the questions about how to do it are tricky. I don't know the science of it, but I do gather that IVF is a shot in the dark. You put half a dozen eggs up in there, doesn't mean you get 6 babies. Where do you draw the line? No IVF after you've had one kid? Two? Three? Four? Does that number slide if you're wealthy? What kind of due diligence could we actually put into policy that doesn't mess with basic human rights?
she should not have ever had ivf while on welfare, without proper facilities for babies and
already having 6 kids...3 with special needs .
With IVF, there is always a CHANCE of multiples. But she can't even handle the 6 she already had.
Again, intervening in people's private lives and deciding who can have children and how is 1984 all over that ass. She was irresponsible but that's her problem. Getting all uppity over it is exactly what the media wants you to do so just settle down.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 18, 2009, 02:04:13 PM
Again, intervening in people's private lives and deciding who can have children and how is 1984 all over that ass. She was irresponsible but that's her problem. Getting all uppity over it is exactly what the media wants you to do so just settle down.
I just feel for the kids who will be neglected. She's a selfish bitch.
Fine. Feel for the kids all you want. Respond to their mother's request for money. But it's no one's business what that freakshow does with her skid-marked womb and getting all high and mighty about the morality of her decision accomplishes less than nothing.
As I said, what she does in the privacy of her own home is her business. However, when she seeks the intervention of a health professional there's an ethical question now that a third party is involved. I suspect that adoption would not be approved for a family on public assistance, is it ethical for the doctor to help her get pregnant? (I think this question is relevant even if there were zero chance of having multiples.)
Quote from: Cerevant on February 18, 2009, 02:31:48 PM
As I said, what she does in the privacy of her own home is her business. However, when she seeks the intervention of a health professional there's an ethical question now that a third party is involved. I suspect that adoption would not be approved for a family on public assistance, is it ethical for the doctor to help her get pregnant? (I think this question is relevant even if there were zero chance of having multiples.)
No, its not ethical.
and rjs...when the taxpayers have to pay her way through this freak show, its downright wrong. So it IS others' business.
No, it isn't. Tax payers pay for people's health care to a certain degree. Does that make other people's medical problems our business? There's no way to regulate this kind of thing. Ethical, responsible or not. Give it up and stop being a media puppet.
how about worrying more about the hundreds of thousands of kids who live in abject poverty every day in this country than some kids who will surely be taken care of because of their noteriety...like rjs said other than the media attention why would you ever care about any of her seedlings
For some reason, I have the theme from "Sanford and Son" in my head. It has to have something to do with this lady, so figure it out.
I don't believe health care organizations should be forced to pay for fertility treatments for some 47 year old bimbo who has been divorced three times. :boom Two words.. personel responcibility
The number of times someone's been divorced shouldn't be a factor when deciding if she's a responsible baby factory. We've all seen plenty of married couples that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children.
hahaha
I cant wait for her reality show that takes place in her studio apartment
You mean her cavernous vadge? Gross.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 18, 2009, 02:45:13 PM
No, it isn't. Tax payers pay for people's health care to a certain degree. Does that make other people's medical problems our business? There's no way to regulate this kind of thing. Ethical, responsible or not. Give it up and stop being a media puppet.
Individual's medical problems aren't public business but what is and isn't covered by tax payer money is a public issue and is regulated. Whether it is tax credit for children, Medicare reimbursement, or foster care child subsidy, the eligibility for funds is clearly defined. I don't know how much this lady and her kids will ultimately get, and of that what is falling through the cracks because non-wackos don't do this sort of thing, but there should be some kind of benefit cap.
This lady reminds me of those people you see in the news that have like 86 cats in a one bedroom apartment.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 18, 2009, 08:07:44 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on February 18, 2009, 04:48:29 AMBut when you start with fertility treatments and IVF...isn't there some responsibility for government/medical due diligence similar to qualifying for adoption?
Yes, I think so. But the questions about how to do it are tricky. I don't know the science of it, but I do gather that IVF is a shot in the dark. You put half a dozen eggs up in there, doesn't mean you get 6 babies. Where do you draw the line? No IVF after you've had one kid? Two? Three? Four? Does that number slide if you're wealthy? What kind of due diligence could we actually put into policy that doesn't mess with basic human rights?
No way this woman would have been allowed to adopt children under her current circumstances. So why should she be allowed to make them other than naturally?
You're all nuts. I suppose you can question the doctor, but as IGY said there's no way to tell whether one egg or eight will implant themselves. There's no way to regulate this and we shouldn't bother trying and who cares anyway?
It should not be the government's goal to make frivolous laws that are inspired by the world's lowest common denominators. 'Not allowing' certain people to reproduce, no matter what their lot in life is a damn slippery slope.
Further to my point, what is the next step once we tell women that they can't choose to reproduce because they're poor/already have a ton of kids/live with their parents?
Do we put a minimum income on women trying to get pregnant? Do we put an education requirement on it? How about an intelligence test or screen them for genetic defects that may be passed along...
People seem to ignore the concept of governmental momentum when it comes to law-making and protecting us from our own bad decisions despite the mountains of evidence that it is happening.
To me, telling someone that they can't have babies is no different than telling a woman she has to have a baby and can't get an abortion. Neither makes much sense.
You guys are missing the point. This isn't about multiples, and it isn't about women getting pregnant through normal means.
Should a woman who is on public assistance be denied fertility treatments? I don't see putting conditions on the use of public funds as a personal freedoms issue. If you don't want the money, do what you want.
Quote from: Cerevant on February 18, 2009, 08:18:11 PM
You guys are missing the point. This isn't about multiples, and it isn't about women getting pregnant through normal means.
Should a woman who is on public assistance be denied fertility treatments? I don't see putting conditions on the use of public funds as a personal freedoms issue. If you don't want the money, do what you want.
next step is to sterlize women who are on public assistance
you people need to move to china youd be much more comfortable there
Yeah! And who the hell are those insurance companies to tell us that they won't pay for cosmetic surgery! People have rights!
You've all been mind farged by this topic. Was it good for you? Smokem if you gotem...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090219/us_nm/us_octuplets
Along with millions of other people. Who farging cares? Let it go.
not sure a house foreclosure is news these days....least they have a house...theres tons of families living in cars right now
yea i can't believe you guys are still talking about this
i bet i could still fit my entire head in this lady's hooha.
I wonder if you could take a piss from one side of her vadge to the other.
mmmmmmm water sports
"I don't have to drink my own urine, but I do, because it's sterile and I like the taste."
Fittingly, Rip Torn said that.
On a related note (and this may be elsewhere, but I'm lazy by nature), an Indian company is now offering a soft drink made of cow's urine. Em, em boy.
Yum (http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/food/2009/02/13/2009-02-13_mooove_over_coke_and_pepsi_india_develop.html)
nice contribution from PFT
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The United Nations has developed a new plan for repopulating the earth, in the event of a global disaster.
OctoPorno (http://tinyurl.com/at28jo)
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OctoMom is used to having multiple people inside of her at once -- and now one porn company is willing to shell out big bucks to harness that skill on film.
$1M to do the vid...
QuoteVivid is willing to go one step further, by telling us they'll give her family full medical and dental insurance if she becomes a "contract girl"... meaning she'll have to do multiple videos.
[shame]I'd watch it.[/shame]
She should absolutely do a couple days work.. some dp, some @nal, etc. Lifetime benefits?? Hell yeah she should.
I would rather spoon my eyes out and eat them than watch that trainwreck take a meaty rod.
My diner breakfast special today: Clowncar Special - 14 eggs, no sausage and the guy next to you pays for it.
ha
You'd watch it. You'd hate yourself for doing it, but you'd watch it.
Quote from: fansince61 on February 25, 2009, 01:34:03 PM
My diner breakfast special today: Clowncar Special - 14 eggs, no sausage and the guy next to you pays for it.
lol
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The Suleman octuplets' medical costs have not been disclosed, but in 2006, the average cost for a premature baby's hospital stay in California was $164,273, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Eight times that equals $1.3 million.
For a single mother, the cost of raising 14 children through age 17 ranges from $1.3 million to $2.7 million, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
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Rival Porn Company Offers OctoMom Diapers to NOT Make Porn
There is a serious effort underway to block OctoMom from taking a million dollar offer to do porn -- except the opposition is coming from a rival XXX company! Fearing that Nadya Suleman "will become the subject of endless ridicule and scorn," the president of Pink Visual has offered Octo a "full year's worth of diapers" if she keeps her clothes on.
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i heard on the Stern show today that Entertainment Tonight or one of those shows pledged to not report anymore about her.
I love porn. I laugh everytime I see the title of this thread
Quote from: fansince61 on February 25, 2009, 01:34:03 PM
My diner breakfast special today: Clowncar Special - 14 eggs, no sausage and the guy next to you pays for it.
I've dropped this on a few people and found that they don't get it. Clowncar goes by too fast, they don't add up that she had six plus eight more making fourteen, etc.
Only people who really like it are the Fox news crowd, not least because they ingest gobs and gobs of that stream of newstainment.