Lame duck coach, QB controversy, floundering franchise...
No not the Eagles of two weeks ago, the Cleveland Browns.
Eagles 24
Brownies 3
this is the perfect game for the eagles to lose.
they will be looking ahead to the taterskins.
The Eagles look like they're going to make a turn around... which means 5 more years of Mr. Reid.
Enjoy!
Eagles > Browns
whoa....Eagles open as a 14 or 15-point favorite, O/U 38
Why not put some money on the Browns to cover that shtein?
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 07, 2008, 11:07:28 PM
Why not put some money on the Browns to cover that shtein?
random poop joke
eagles 13 browns 13 in another tie. armafarginggeddon all over again.
we should dominate this team, 37-13 style. just hope we don't play to the level of the competition again.
This will be a win and it will extend everyone's hopes and they will still miss the playoffs and Andy Reid will still have a job and they will be awful next year and nothing will ever change.
yes we can!
Quote from: rjs246 on December 08, 2008, 10:35:17 AM
This will be a win and it will extend everyone's hopes and they will still miss the playoffs and Andy Reid will still have a job and they will be awful next year and nothing will ever change.
this is the most likely outcome
i really dont see any way the eagles dont make the playoffs...they are gonna go 3-0
and if you believe atlanta will not go 3-0 (btw they wont) then the eagles control their own destiny
and the schedule favors the birds
ironic that the cincy game...one of the worst performances by the eagles ever is the game that will get them in the playoffs....that tie ends up being HUGE
eagles - cle, at racists, dal
dal - nyg, bal, at phi
atl - tb, at min, stl
tb - at atl, sd, oak
hell... freezing over
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2008, 08:34:26 AM
i really dont see any way the eagles dont make the playoffs...they are gonna go 3-0
and if you believe atlanta will not go 3-0 (btw they wont) then the eagles control their own destiny
and the schedule favors the birds
ironic that the cincy game...one of the worst performances by the eagles ever is the game that will get them in the playoffs....that tie ends up being HUGE
eagles - cle, at racists, dal
dal - nyg, bal, at phi
atl - tb, at min, stl
tb - at atl, sd, oak
As far as the outsiders looking in...IF the Eagles were to actually win out, the ONLY team that would keep them out is the Falcons... and they would need to win out as well.
Matter of fact... as long as the "favorites" win (Eagles over Browns, Giants over Cowboys, Bucs over Falcons) the Eagles would be the 6 seed NEXT WEEK.
Like I told Sun the other day... dammit, I think I believe. I know I shouldn't... but I think I do. It's really only a question of the Dallas game to me.
Quoteironic that the cincy game...one of the worst performances by the eagles ever is the game that will get them in the playoffs....that tie ends up being HUGE
Only if they win out, it could also be their downfall not getting the W.
the eagles are in thats not even a question
i wonder if shorebird wishes the eagles still went for it on fourth and 10 from their own 20 with a minute left in that cincy game
Quote from: phillymic2000 on December 09, 2008, 09:44:37 AM
Quoteironic that the cincy game...one of the worst performances by the eagles ever is the game that will get them in the playoffs....that tie ends up being HUGE
Only if they win out, it could also be their downfall not getting the W.
the league is parity ridden....less losses is more important than wins these days because every team loses a good amount of games
Quotethe league is parity ridden....less losses is more important than wins these days because every team loses a good amount of games
Truth
its not even about belief...it just is what it is...i mean jesus look at the schedule and tell me a way they dont make it
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2008, 10:13:12 AM
its not even about belief...it just is what it is...i mean jesus look at the schedule and tell me a way they dont make it
With our coach I cannot believe you made that c omment
ANDY FARGIN REID putting down the menu and calling plays. Thats one big ass way they don't make it.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on December 09, 2008, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2008, 10:13:12 AM
its not even about belief...it just is what it is...i mean jesus look at the schedule and tell me a way they dont make it
With our coach I cannot believe you made that c omment
ANDY FARGIN REID putting down the menu and calling plays. Thats one big ass way they don't make it.
you could coach them against cleveland and the skins and win the games...by the time they get dallas at home the cowboys will be done and even if they arent you think that pusssie romo is winning a december game in philly
in fact ill go as far as even saying the eagles could lose to the cowboys and still have a great chance of making it since the minimum amount of wins they will have is 9...where as atl and dal both have a great shot of not getting to 10
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2008, 10:13:12 AM
its not even about belief...it just is what it is...i mean jesus look at the schedule and tell me a way they dont make it
Like I said... I still question Dallas a little. I know the last game of the year in the cold, in a "win and you're in" situation is the perfect scenario to get Tony Romo into, but I also know that the Eagles getting as close as possible to the playoffs, only to get turned away at the doorstep...by the farging Cowboys no less, is the perfect way for an Eagles fan to spend an offseason.
i think they can lose that game and still get in
eagles are an automatic 2-0 in the next two weeks and dallas could be 0-2...if that happens the game is irrelevant to the boys
So IF the Birds make the playoffs they will probably face either Arizona or Minnesota, right? That should be a win. Then they probably play either the Giants or the Panthers in the second round. Probably a loss. So an aging team pulls together an end-of-season run, squeaks into the playoffs, fall short of a championship, gets a year older, retains its awful coach, has two first round picks in the 20s/30s and nothing ever changes.
Be still my beating heart.
I want this team to win out and make the playoffs and make a New-York-Giants-In-2007-like run this year more than I want to be right about Andy Reid and the rest of this team. I would even eat crow for all the mean things I've said about Andy Reid and celebrate my balls off just like everyone else. But it won't happen. So I want them to stop teasing me. bastiches.
i would nominate reid as father of the year if the eagles pulled off what the giants did last season.
still unlike igy i have to be pessimistic. otherwise im just setting myself up. i still somehow see the team losing to the taterskins and spoiling all the fun. mcnabb is still gone after this season and the kolb era begins.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2008, 10:13:12 AM
its not even about belief...it just is what it is...i mean jesus look at the schedule and tell me a way they dont make it
They lose to the Browns
ken fargin dorsey is not beating the eagles defense.
Quote from: phattymatty on December 09, 2008, 11:34:18 AM
ken fargin dorsey is not beating the eagles defense.
Exactly.
that right--because Ryan Fitzpatrick cant either?
yeah its not even that the eagles are all of a sudden great cause they beat the giants but the browns and taterskins are off the charts bad right now...the timing couldnt be better for the birds
Honestly, if the Eagles win the next two, I think they beat Dallas. And they will win the next one.
So, even though the skins are banged up, I don't trust the Eagles not to farg that one up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2008, 11:44:08 AM
yeah its not even that the eagles are all of a sudden great cause they beat the giants but the browns and taterskins are off the charts bad right now...the timing couldnt be better for the birds
So once again, through no fault of his own, Andy Reid will come out of this smelling like roses. Assclown.
Other than the first game of the season, i cant think of another time to get excited in this season...just that slim hope we have is enough to keep me in it.
Quote from: reese125 on December 09, 2008, 11:43:59 AM
that right--because Ryan Fitzpatrick cant either?
no, he can not.
Im pretty sure you know what Im getting at
and you never made that bacon basket when you got home last week either
saying the eagles can lose to the browns because of the cincinnati game is as stupid as saying they are gonna win the superbowl because of the giant game
so NO...we dont know what youre getting at dope
bottom line Munson is stop parading around like the Eagles are all world now and you know what the farg youre talking about predicting guarentees
matter of fact..you suck at predicting shtein
they play to the competition...and if not for the missed fg by Shane Graham that "and 1" would not be there and Ryan Fitz would of beat us
lol at "if's"....stop thinking like an 8 year old girl when it comes to sports
this is why i heart havas
If the Eagles ground and pound it out, they have a chance. The chances of them sticking to the run I'd say right now is not good, looking at past seasons and the downfall of the team in the playoffs. It's like they are stubborn all year, then slip into the playoffs with a more balanced attack. get to playoffs, go back to pass. :boom
The closer they get to making the playoffs, the greater the odds of Andy putting his chubby fingerprints all over the play sheet again. Try to enjoy the games, but know it'll all end with hilarious results.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2008, 10:30:08 AM
eagles are an automatic 2-0 in the next two weeks
The only thing this team is automatic at is being inconsistent. How many times have we seen them lose a supposed easy game at home after winning a big game on the road?? I'm not saying they can't win, they
should win. But saying it's an automatic win is ridiculous after the on again off again way this team has played under Andy Reid.
There are no automatic wins in the NFL, period.
Quote from: shorebird on December 09, 2008, 06:02:53 PM
How many times have we seen them lose a supposed easy game at home after winning a big game on the road??
I don't have fastfreddies "big game" chart in front of me...but under Reid, the birds are 25-11 all time in games at home after winning on the road.
I said all were big except Cincy and Baltimore. Looks like the Eagles took me seriously.
But here's the problem. They played like shtein v. the Giants. Hixon was wide farging open, and dropped that pass. He scores an 85 yd TD in the 1st quarter, and you seriously think the Birds win that game? Never mind the drop by Steve Smith, again wide open, on 4th down.
The D stopped the run, which they overcompensated to do, got burned in the secondary and got away with it because the entire Giants receiving corp lacked opposable thumbs. They still suck, will win just enough to keep fatfarg Andy's job, and the team will continue to suck. I couldn't be more excited.
well obviously if they do make it to the playoffs and are matched up again against the giants they do get blown out.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on December 09, 2008, 08:49:11 PM
The D stopped the run, which they overcompensated to do, got burned in the secondary and got away with it because the entire Giants receiving corp lacked opposable thumbs. They still suck, will win just enough to keep fatfarg Andy's job, and the team will continue to suck. I couldn't be more excited.
Stop saying what I'm saying. Biter.
lol @ their secondary got burned because the giants dropped one long pass and a three yard pass where the coverage was very good
and quadruple lololol @ them "playing like shtein" in the giant game
Quote from: shorebird on December 09, 2008, 06:02:53 PM
There are no automatic wins in the NFL, period.
pretty sure you didnt hear me....the next two games are AUTOMATIC wins
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 10, 2008, 08:07:09 AM
pretty sure you didnt hear me....the next two games are AUTOMATIC wins
Crazy talk, man, crazy.
I'm not saying they won't win, but I'm not impressed enough with one good game to think they don't have any chance to lose.
not that it matters and i know no one cares...but sal pal was on espn 950 yesterday and said he believes that the eagles win out, get into the playoffs, win the wildcard game, and then mcnabb demands a new contract with a big signing bonus.
everyone seems to think they are going to run the table. makes me think even more they wont.
no way it happens but i have been wrong all year long
the way both teams are playing right now, especially with a very depleted Skins OL now....the Eagles really should win out
but there is no reason to guarantee anything with this squad and the coach unless its 2004
SalPal is such a douche.
I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing mediocrity. Helluva track record of that. And they most certainly did shtein the bed last Sunday. The Giants shtein it worse.
you people are insane...stop trying to be the hater you think i am
If the Eagles do as you say and it's automatic they win the next two, and hopefully beat the Cowboys, then the Eagles possibly make the playoffs, the taterskins don't and finish in last place. Then you owe me a nice little pile of greenbacks.
lololol....id owe you twenty bucks...which would be about 1000 dollars away from what i would consider a "pile of greenbacks"
Game if over by half time
Birds 37
Browns 12
i would love for this game to be a blowout so KOLB can come in the 2nd half.
Kolb and LoBo in the 2nd half! :o
I dont ever want to see Kolb enter a football game unless he shaves his stache...then Ill believe hes ready
I just hope the fat man think enough of Cleveland to figure he'll need the running game.
If he does:
38 - 10 Birds
If he tries to get all cute and pass happy:
13 - 13 farg
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2008, 09:02:23 AM
lololol....id owe you twenty bucks...which would be about 1000 dollars away from what i would consider a "pile of greenbacks"
I said a nice
little pile of greenbacks. And actually, you would owe me 40. 20 for the better record and 20 for making the playoffs while the taterskins probably won't. Head to head would be a draw,
if the Eagles beat them.
well i consider myself up 20 right now...so its a net 20 in my mind...but either way ill probably shtein out around 25 bucks with my dinner later tonight
Yeah, and it's pool league night at the Moose, so while your crapping out money, I'll be pissin' it.
to bad the taterskin game wasnt last week youd be able to drink an extra 40 dollars worth of schafer
Nooooooo my dilusional taterskin fan. Nothing but Budwieser for me. Draft, in a frosty mug.
Man igy is so cool for being rich.
As of right now, the Eagles need to win to stay a half game back of TB and ATL...if DAL loses tonight, the Eagles would move ahead of them with a win.
I gotta say unless both ATL and TB win out, the Eagles do seem to be playoff bound....and not only playoff bound, but with a first round game against beatable teams. :paranoid
The Eagles have to win all 3 of their games and need ONE of the following:
-- 3 Carolina losses (vs DEN, at NYG, at NO)
-- 1 Tampa Bay loss (vs SD, vs OAK)
-- 1 Atlanta loss (at MIN, vs STL)
It basically comes down to this, if Tampa and Atlanta win next week it's game over.
nevermind
Are you a farging idiot or what?
Ha, beat ya.
My point still stands.
It was a question, not a point. Only an idiot wouldn't know that.
Quote from: Munson on December 14, 2008, 04:37:21 PM
Man igy is so cool for being rich.
better than having to scour the grounds of the trailer park for parliament shorts
Quote from: King Cole on December 14, 2008, 05:42:13 PM
It was a question, not a point. Only an idiot wouldn't know that.
Rhetorical questions often prove points better than simply making a statement. But by all means, keep typing.
I don't even need to try. Greatness just comes easy on my end.
Quote from: King Cole on December 14, 2008, 06:02:03 PM
I don't even need to try. Greatness just comes easy on my end.
Eww.
faclons winning today probably seals the deal for the eagles.
no way do they lose to the vikings or the rams
and no way the bucs lose to chargers or raiders
They could easily lose to Minnesota. Minnesota needs that game a lot too. No one on the Falcons can stop Peterson.
atl could easily lose to minny
likewise for tb vs sd
they both arent very good and tb downright stinks
eagles are in
Worst. Case. Scenario.
garcia had to get hurt for this one.
with garcia they win.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/playoffscenario?algorithm=custom&14=01450004&15=05010450&16=01400451&17=10014400
A pretty cool playoff scenario generator.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2008, 05:49:29 PM
Quote from: Munson on December 14, 2008, 04:37:21 PM
Man igy is so cool for being rich.
better than having to scour the grounds of the trailer park for parliament shorts
If I was black you'd feel bad for me.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 14, 2008, 07:57:14 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/playoffscenario?algorithm=custom&14=01450004&15=05010450&16=01400451&17=10014400
A pretty cool playoff scenario generator.
Sweet.
I was playing with it and found a scenario where the Seattle-Arizona game has no effect on Seattle or Arizona whatsoever, but decides whether Dallas makes the playoffs. :-D
Week 17 game w/ Dallas moved to 815 Sunday nighter.
Could be a winner gets the 6 seed and Rd. 1 matchup with Minny
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2008, 11:54:12 PM
Week 17 game w/ Dallas moved to 815 Sunday nighter.
Could be a winner gets the 6 seed and Rd. 1 matchup with Minny
Didn't think there was a Sunday night game the last week of the season??
no monday night game
eagles skins was moved to 4:15 next week, i didn't see anything about the dallas game though
if the eagles do get in, minn would be the team i think the eagles best match up against. they have AP but ill take my chances with Gus Ferrote (sp?) any day over the cardinals and those WRs.
Quote from: SunMo on December 15, 2008, 07:47:08 AM
eagles skins was moved to 4:15 next week, i didn't see anything about the dallas game though
they were talking about it on nbc10 last night. maybe its contingent on the eagles beating the browns tonight, which i guess is a presumed fact.
and since the eagles will get minnesota in rd. 1 if they make it, its moot, but arizona is a garbage team and everyone should want to play them. plus that stadium wont get nearly as loud as the metrodome will.
also, i would expect the eagles to get the 430 saturday afternoon spot if they make the playoffs. yay looking ahead to things that might not happen!
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 15, 2008, 12:06:04 PM
if the eagles do get in, minn would be the team i think the eagles best match up against. they have AP but ill take my chances with Gus Ferrote (sp?) any day over the cardinals and those WRs.
Gus who? Tarvaris Jackson had 4 TD's yesterday, man!
right against the cardinals defense...
oh wait :paranoid
still i have a feeling brad childress would be dumb enough to put in gus. and besides i still woudl trust this defense vs AP compared to the cardinals offense.
boldin is not dropping a TD pass and fumbling the ball if the eagles play them again.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 14, 2008, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2008, 11:54:12 PM
Week 17 game w/ Dallas moved to 815 Sunday nighter.
Could be a winner gets the 6 seed and Rd. 1 matchup with Minny
Didn't think there was a Sunday night game the last week of the season??
ya there is currently no SNF on the schedule however given the MNF ratings of the Eagles/Cowgirls earlier this year that could give the network incentive ($$$) to put the game in prime time.
Is Chan Ho Park going to flip the coin?
Very efficient TD ;D
That was a sweet pass.
yeah but reid still came out in shotgun.
honestly which coach/team lines up out of shotgun on the first play of the game?
maybe last yrs patriots?
wow! that's how people are killed. Shawn Rodgers is a beast.
why have we not seen more of Booker - esp when Buck was hurt?
Quote from: 4and26 on December 15, 2008, 09:07:42 PM
why have we not seen more of Booker - esp when Buck was hurt?
are you drunk?
WR Brown Among Inactives
December 15, 2008 | Last Updated: 12/15/08 6:29 PM ET | Comments (0)
By: BOB KENT
Despite a sore knee, offensive tackle Jon Runyan was in the starting lineup for Monday night's game against the Browns.
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Wide receiver Reggie Brown was among those Eagles inactive for the game. Also inactive were running back Lorenzo Booker, linebacker Joe Mays, defensive end Bryan Smith, offensive tackle Chris Patrick, guard Shawn Andrews and tight end Matt Schobel. A.J. Feeley was designated as the third quarterback.
What's up with the logo in the middle in the field?
god is espn suckling the eagles or what
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2008, 09:19:54 PM
god is espn suckling the eagles or what
they have nothing to talk about. a dud of a game and they have to make it entertaining. or try.
that was a great play call
Rogers out---200+ yds rushing coming up
What makes Andy Reid think Jackson can throw the ball?
Quote from: Diomedes on December 15, 2008, 09:30:08 PM
What makes Andy Reid think Jackson can throw the ball?
The same thing that makes him think running the ball is a bad thing.
That play right there is why Reid needs to go. Marching it up and down the field and that fat idiot or his equally retarded offensive coordinator pull that?
FIRE. Either do it to him or burn him in it.
Wildcat...FAIL!
Roger's shoulder got blown into New Jersey...ouch.
Dawk's playing out of his gourd.
Asantezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Holy shtein. He pulled a Desean going into the end zone.
he fumbled the ball also.
I think the NFL is going to widen the goaline next year because its apparent WR's are having trouble seeing it
stupid ass got lucky
Quote from: Rome on December 15, 2008, 09:36:46 PM
Holy shtein. He pulled a Desean going into the end zone.
At least he had the brains to pick the ball up
something is very wrong if you suddenly forget the most central concept of the game at the penultimate moment
it's tantamount to going soft right as she's begging you to put it in
I've never seen it before this year. Not once. Yet somehow we've had two players do it in a matter of a few weeks.
I don't know what the odds are of that happening but they must be pretty farging astronomical.
man if they could play the browns secondary every game.
i will say that avant is damn good with his hands. he catches everything thrown to him.
what a terrible throw.
brutal by Dmac........he'd better kiss Westy for busting his ass to slow him down
still confident but WTF this should be 31-3 right now
getting too cute at the goal line.
i mean that play call was good and it has worked before but just have mcnabb sneak it in please.
bad throw plus amazing one handed pick.
yea clearly
they are lucky to have total shtein on their sked until rd 2 matchup with carolina
then the honeymoon ends
Not to Andy...QUIT FARGING PASSING THE BALL AT THE 1.
Thanks.
31-3 - Denied!
Quote from: 4and26 on December 15, 2008, 09:53:53 PM
brutal by Dmac........he'd better kiss Westy for busting his ass to slow him down
Its 17-10 otherwise. Guys worth every damn dollar they're paying him.
Retarded trick-laden idiocy.
Time for that fat piece of shtein to go.
NOW.
Quote from: Rome on December 15, 2008, 10:00:28 PM
Retarded trick-laden idiocy.
Time for that fat piece of shtein to go.
NOW.
i knew this was the game he would try to pass and prove his "way".
still i dont mind the call, just a terribly under thrown ball by mcnabb.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 15, 2008, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: Rome on December 15, 2008, 10:00:28 PM
Retarded trick-laden idiocy.
Time for that fat piece of shtein to go.
NOW.
i knew this was the game he would try to pass and prove his "way".
still i dont mind the call, just a terribly under thrown ball by mcnabb.
After seeing the slow-mo replay, I have to say that was a nice job on the one-handed INT though.
The point is it wasn't necessary. McNabb is 240 pounds and he needed to get six farging inches via the sneak. But nope - not Reid. He has to use the tricky play instead of the one that puts foot to ass.
Enough.
Westbrook (who cant tackle, as evidence in the Ravens game too) made a great hustle play, as well as Baskett to save that TD. Not a bad play by 5, a good play by McDonald.
McNabb's throw was garbage, Jay.
Jesus...
dude the ball was under thrown. no way he jumps up and one hands that if the ball is a bit higher.
Have they run the ball once in the 2nd half yet? :boom
reid is smirking and passing.
:boom
pass pass pass!
Touchdown and two field goals despite getting inside the 20 yard-line five times.
Awesome.
if they ever score another TD they should pull out mcnabb and westbrook.
Back to normal.
Fortunately(?), the Browns suck even more than MorningReid's playcalling.
Avant: 5 catches 101 yards
beautiful pass to bradley. nice and soft.
GLEW!
its his first of the yr? i thought he would have had 10 by now.
Paging Kevin Kolb....
They look at the clock and see "Rescue 911". I look at the clock and see Kevin Kolb = 9/11.
PASS PASS PASS
Addiction runs in the fat man's family. His retarded offspring are addicted to drugs and he's addicted to the passing game.
Enough.
Kolb is awful
There it is. It's officially time to go to bed. Tirico just mentioned Santa Claus getting booed.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
How many more times is Kornheiser going to mention McNabb being upset with Andy?
Seriously - I'd like to punch that Long Island dickhead in the throat.
LOL - and now they're bringing up the "Andy needs a GM" line of bullshtein.
Ugh.
why the UGH at that?
its one of the few times ive heard anyone outside of Philly mention that.
and on the pre game i must say emitt smith was the one making the most sense. he constantly brought up how they dont run the ball and have no balance. when steve young tried to say well you have to do that based on the D, emitt butted in and said "even if they stack the line with eight guys you have to keep running".
cris carter also called out pinkston, thrash, and fred ex. i think everyone on the set chuckled at the mention of fred ex.
ya cobb is brutal
W. Time to concentrate on getting up in that taterskin ass next Sunday.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 15, 2008, 11:23:04 PM
why the UGH at that?
Well, first of all, it's not "ugh" in terms of the idea. I want him gone regardless.
It's been hashed and rehashed ad nauseum throughout the season during the broadcasts. They usually point to Holmgren and other coaches who used to have full authority, then mention the fact that they've missed the playoffs, blah, blah, blah.
Don't be hating on Kolb. Future pro bowler.
He's a future pro bowler like you're a future Mensa.
After breaking down the tape I saw things that casual fans won't see. Plus I spoke to multiple sources on his behalf.
I do find it funny though that people judge him on less than a full game's worth of playing time, yet if it was someone like DeSean Jackson who everyone was in love with pre-exposure at the NFL level, people would just use the "give him time" excuse.
Not to mention the pass tonight was partially deflected.
People didn't like Kolb since the pick and he'll never get a fair shake in this town.
Man, the I like Jaws, but Kornholer needs to STFU. I can't believe he's still talking about TO and the Eagles after that prick has been gone for three years. Give it a rest for christ sakes.
If the Eagles don't start punching it in more frequently when they get to the Red Zone, they won't win shtein whether they make the playoffs or not. And right now with the way Tampa and Atlanta are playing that friggen' tie is going to come back and bite the Eagles in the ass.
QuoteSam Donnellon: Eagles coach Reid's game management simply Maddening
By Sam Donnellon
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
HERE'S A question, and I'm only half-joking: If you took 10 kids who played "Madden'' on a regular basis and pitted them against Andy Reid, how many would win?
Because every time I hear John Madden complain about people who don't play his video game correctly, or honestly, I wonder - well, what would he think about Reid's game management on most weekends?
Specifically, what would he have thought about it in the first half of last night's 30-10 victory over the Cleveland Browns?
Would he, after a completion put the ball on the Browns' 2-yard line with 35 seconds left in the first half last night,
allow 26 seconds to evaporate while getting his team to the line and running the ball, before calling his final timeout with 9 seconds remaining?
Would he emerge from that timeout and be called for an illegal formation?
Would he then "dial up'' a dangerous lob pass into the end zone off that timeout? One that resulted in an interception, a near-disastrous 98-yard return that looked eerily familiar to that pivotal play in Baltimore four games ago?
Come to think of it, would Madden approve of having a backup quarterback pass from the 1-yard line in that tight game against the Ravens?
See what I'm getting at?
You're supposed to learn from your
mistakes, right?
So why doesn't he?
I know, I know. On a night when the Birds manhandled Cleveland as if the Browns were a Pop Warner team, how can I fixate on this? But that's just the point. Smug, stubborn or stupid, the Eagles head coach can manage to make you scratch your head or pull on your hair even on a night like this, a night when his quarterback managed the game masterfully (mostly), when his star running back reinforced that he is the team's lifeblood, when the Eagles, as a team, executed well and treated the four-win Browns the way they should have treated the Bengals.
The Birds went into the locker room at halftime with a 17-3 lead. So why did it feel so, so . . . yucky? Was it because Brian Westbrook had to run about 100 yards on the final play to prevent a 98-yard interception return from turning into a 17-10 lead? Was it because your team's touch-football playcalling had directly resulted in 10 lost points?
Last week a 71-yard blocked field goal returned by the Giants for a touchdown on the final play of the half flipped what could have been 13-0 at the half into 10-7. Reid's strategy was not at fault there. In fact, the Eagles had begun the drive from their own 42 with just 1:02 left, had managed the clock brilliantly.
So it's no slam-dunk that any of the 10 kids would beat him.
But I bet more than a few would give him a game.
To be clear: Reid is a good NFL coach. He has proven that again this December, just when doubt had reached its highest level in his tenure here. The Eagles executed well on offense last night. Their defense made a third-string quarterback seem like a fourth-string quarterback. Under Reid, the Eagles have tended to peak late rather than early, unless you count those three consecutive losses in NFC Championship Games, or that winnable Super Bowl that was frittered away.
Those were all supposed to be building blocks, learning tools if you will, that would season and school the young coach - still just 50 years old. He would get better at time management. He would manage risk better. He would adjust to his personnel, not make them adjust to him.
But then you see the end of the first half last night. The bad time management, that ill-advised pass from McNabb that harkened to that fourth-quarter
interception thrown by Kevin Kolb, the one that flipped a winnable game against the Ravens into an embarrassing rout and shaved the Eagles' margin of error to zero.
Last night there was also this direct snap to DeSean Jackson on a third-and-goal from the 7-yard line early in the game, a call that Madden probably wouldn't even allow to be programmed into his game. Jackson threw into the middle of the end zone and was intercepted.
The Eagles led 10-3 at the time.
They finished 2-for-7 in red-zone efficiency.
That meant little last night against a team that would be hard-pressed to beat the winless Lions. The Browns, in their current state, look like a fantasy team constructed by a 10-year-old who does not play Madden frequently, or at all.
But it could mean something 5 days from now in Washington. Or 2 weeks from now, in the season finale here against Dallas. From here on in, the
Eagles need to rely on execution near the goal line, not trickery.
Play the game the way it's supposed to be played, Madden tells those 10-year-olds.
If he's smart, Reid will do the same.
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.
It's bad, you see Cbuck come in a break a nice run, you have Bwest in the backfield, and Reid just doesn't friggen' get it. Never has, never will.
Quote from: shorebird on December 16, 2008, 08:05:39 AM
And right now with the way Tampa and Atlanta are playing that friggen' tie is going to come back and bite the Eagles in the ass.
Tampa is terrible
I criticized the fade in Spadaro's forum and his response was he'd rather see the fade than a sneak because Rogers is evidently 600 pounds and shoots fireballs from his eyes.
Can we all agree to murder the next person who mentions Spadaro? Thanks.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 16, 2008, 08:57:45 AM
Can we all agree to murder the next person who mentions Spadaro? Thanks.
Sarah Connor Chronicles was great last night.
This win was all passing game execution. Reid called a poop game and the running game did little. Thankfully, the Browns are a really, really bad team. McNabb was money all night as well.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 16, 2008, 09:22:28 AM
This win was all passing game execution. Reid called a poop game and the running game did little. Thankfully, the Browns are a really, really bad team. McNabb was money all night as well.
Yeah, other than that zesty throw in the end zone, McNabb was on point last night.
Speaking of which, what the farg is Reid doing on that play? You gotta QB sneak that... and if somehow you got stopped with the huge O-line and 240 lb QB on your side... more power to them. If you are going to pass... you gotta roll McNabb out and give him the option to either run it in, or fire that motherfarger out of the back of the endzone if nothing is there. Then you've got 3rd down to take another crack at it... which should be kept on the ground.
Instead, Andy calls that fade... which they haven't been running before this season... and McNabb throws the flattest pass ever. Granted, the guy made a good play on the ball, but McNabb's gotta throw that ball long to where if Hank can't get to it, it flies out of bounds. Thank God for Westbrook and Hank hustling on the play.
the fade has worked this season the previous two times this season so i understand the call.
i could also see that with 9 seconds left and no timeouts they wanted a quick pass and if its incomplete still have time to line up for a FG.
i get all that. but still i would just have mcnabb sneak the ball in.
and for once yesterday they lined bwest and cbuck at the same time in the backfield. of course they passed mostly out of those formations but still it was nice to see.
if they play like that against the skins they will not win. i hope this was reids "i need to pass and get it out of my system" game and i hope he puts his ego aside for the skins game.
i know better but i still hope :(
Andy Reid needs to die.
According to the announcers, Reid has the highest Pass to Run ratio of any head coach in NFL History.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 16, 2008, 09:47:37 AM
the fade has worked this season the previous two times this season so i understand the call.
i could also see that with 9 seconds left and no timeouts they wanted a quick pass and if its incomplete still have time to line up for a FG.
i get all that. but still i would just have mcnabb sneak the ball in.
and for once yesterday they lined bwest and cbuck at the same time in the backfield. of course they passed mostly out of those formations but still it was nice to see.
if they play like that against the skins they will not win. i hope this was reids "i need to pass and get it out of my system" game and i hope he puts his ego aside for the skins game.
i know better but i still hope :(
The pass will never be out of his system. I'm hoping that game was planned to not rely on Westbrook because the Browns suck
I'm with you. I was arguing with some other Eagles fans at halftime that the correct call in that situation is a QB sneak. I just don't think they would've been able to stop that... and I realize that Shaun Rogers was in there.
But IF they pass, which they did... I think the fade was the wrong choice. Again, it's still relatively new to the Eagles... and McNabb ain't necessarily known for his touch passes. 9 seconds is plenty of time for a rollout for McNabb to either run it in, hit an open guy or chuck it to stop the clock for one more play. I just think there's less risk with that playcall.
Of course, a better pass from McNabb would've made this whole thing a moot point so...
Another note on the fade; its being telegraphed because Baskett never lines up wide on that side in goal line unless they throw that fade. So when a DB sees Baskett trot out there he should know what is coming right away. McDonald made a great play on that ball though.
The trickery does need to stop. Its not cute, Andy...get the points and be done with it.
Kevin Kolb looks horrendous.
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 16, 2008, 09:56:07 AM
According to the announcers, Reid has the highest Pass to Run ratio of any head coach in NFL History.
Hi, I'm October. Have we met?
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 16, 2008, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 16, 2008, 09:56:07 AM
According to the announcers, Reid has the highest Pass to Run ratio of any head coach in NFL History.
Hi, I'm October. Have we met?
I knew he passed way too much, but didn't realize he was the historical leader in the category. I thought Mike Martz may have earned that honor.
That stat was based off coaches who have coached at least 100 games
Quote from: King Cole on December 16, 2008, 04:25:09 AM
Not to mention the pass tonight was partially deflected.
People didn't like Kolb since the pick and he'll never get a fair shake in this town.
Part of being a QB is finding a throwing lane, it's 100% his fault the ball was partially deflected. His second pass was deflected too. He looked like shtein in mop up duty, this is the same guy that was bitching and moaning that he got sat after he sucked vs. the Ravens. He needs to earn his 'fair shake' just like every other athlete does.
QuoteMcNabb ain't necessarily known for his touch passes. 9 seconds is plenty of time for a rollout for McNabb to either run it in, hit an open guy or chuck it to stop the clock for one more play.
Everything was correct except McNabb running it in the endzone. Those days are bye-bye
It looks like he's trying to force it, hence the tipped passes. I don't know if he'll ever be a good NFL qb, and it doesn't look like it as of now. But one thing is for shore, and it could be as early as next year, we are going to be the ones who suffer through finding out.
Please, please don't get rid of Dmac. Not yet. He's 32 years old, and finally looks healthy. Fire Reid and bring in a real coach. I really want Spagnola (sp?), but would also be happy with Cowher. I think McNabb could thrive under either coach because you know that either one would want to run the ball first.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 16, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: King Cole on December 16, 2008, 04:25:09 AM
Not to mention the pass tonight was partially deflected.
People didn't like Kolb since the pick and he'll never get a fair shake in this town.
Part of being a QB is finding a throwing lane, it's 100% his fault the ball was partially deflected. His second pass was deflected too. He looked like shtein in mop up duty, this is the same guy that was bitching and moaning that he got sat after he sucked vs. the Ravens. He needs to earn his 'fair shake' just like every other athlete does.
And Jaws reiterating the fact that he believed (so he was basically told) that if Kolb had done well in the Ravens game then he would have been the starter is scary.
This guy has no feel for the game thus far. Even Mike McMahon looked competent compared to Kolb.
Getting rid of McNabb is/will be a massive mistake.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 16, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
partially deflected
How is that any different than simply "deflected" or even "completely deflected?"
..or tipped?.......
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 16, 2008, 11:16:07 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 16, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
partially deflected
How is that any different than simply "deflected" or even "completely deflected?"
Partially deflected = tip (see Kolb's first pass)
Completely deflected = rejected like in Basketball (see Kolb's second pass)
Tip or not tip...
All I know is Kolb playing in 2 games = 2 INT's for TD's.
At this point, a 3 and out could be considered a plus for this guy.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 16, 2008, 11:16:07 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 16, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
partially deflected
How is that any different than simply "deflected" or even "completely deflected?"
We really have run out of things to talk about haven't we?
kolb cant play in this league...but the good thing is i believe that andy knows this and he will forever be a back up
Quote from: rjs246 on December 16, 2008, 11:26:19 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 16, 2008, 11:16:07 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 16, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
partially deflected
How is that any different than simply "deflected" or even "completely deflected?"
We really have run out of things to talk about haven't we?
I heard Reid was a bad coach and a worse father.
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 16, 2008, 09:58:06 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 16, 2008, 09:47:37 AM
the fade has worked this season the previous two times this season so i understand the call.
i could also see that with 9 seconds left and no timeouts they wanted a quick pass and if its incomplete still have time to line up for a FG.
i get all that. but still i would just have mcnabb sneak the ball in.
and for once yesterday they lined bwest and cbuck at the same time in the backfield. of course they passed mostly out of those formations but still it was nice to see.
if they play like that against the skins they will not win. i hope this was reids "i need to pass and get it out of my system" game and i hope he puts his ego aside for the skins game.
i know better but i still hope :(
The pass will never be out of his system. I'm hoping that game was planned to not rely on Westbrook because the Browns suck
Oh I know that. My point was that after the past two weeks all Reid has been asked about is the balance. And even if he hates to run the ball he knows with this team, this QB, and this group of WRs you can not air it out. Or maybe he does not know. But I think maybe he thought to himself we can win this game either way so let me pass as much as possible, win, and then maybe I can swallow my pride for one or two more games the following weeks.
I am not delusional enough to think he has changed, but maybe he keeps it up for the remainder of the season. Week 1 next yr though they will be back to PASS PASS PASS.
I think we all knew this was the kind of game Andy couldn't help wanting to screw up. This was his chance to show the world that his system works. He'd like to think that he was successful. 30 points, only 2 punts, 35 passes and 2 TDs for his system. In his mind, he's got all the justification he needs to take over the playcalling full time.
Of course, what everyone else sees is imbalance, sparse running plays that sometimes seem to be called for no other reason than to fail, inability to finish off drives, and no killer instinct. But hey, they totally kicked ass right?
Quote from: General_Failure on December 16, 2008, 02:02:37 PM
Of course, what everyone else sees is imbalance, sparse running plays that sometimes seem to be called for no other reason than to fail, inability to finish off drives, and no killer instinct. But hey, they totally kicked ass right?
Thats exactly what I saw throughout the whole game. They should have scored 50 on the Browns.
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 16, 2008, 09:56:07 AM
According to the announcers, Reid has the highest Pass to Run ratio of any head coach in NFL History.
this is true and all the evidence needed to fire kill destroy
I found this cool pic of Kolb:
(http://www.pocahontastimes.com/mtntimes/deerpic1.jpg)
Quote from: mussa on December 16, 2008, 04:01:52 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 16, 2008, 09:56:07 AM
According to the announcers, Reid has the highest Pass to Run ratio of any head coach in NFL History.
this is true and all the evidence needed to fire kill destroy
murder death kill
Maim disparage kneecap!
Hell damn fart.
Love. Peace. Soul.
Simon says, "Die!"
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 17, 2008, 08:48:30 AM
Love. Peace. Soul.
C'mon now, you should know the correct phrase is...
........Peace, Love, and Souuuuuulllllllllllllllll Traaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnn!
........if your an old 70's chic man like myself.