I was at the game last night in Standing Room Only and a fugly Patriots fan with turned to me at the end and said, "You almost pulled it off. Well at least you've found a QB now."
My response without thinking very much about it was, "Yeah, his name is Kevin Kolb and he's on the bench right now."
I watched Feeley miss several obvious match-up with Westbrook against Junior Seau who's definitely lost a step or two and not even look his way. But he might get better b/c a few of his bad throws were obvious lack of playing time with receivers. Feeley seemed to throw to areas of the field where he expected the receivers to be based upon his reads and the recievers ran a different pattern. For example, the final interception he threw as if it was a fly to the corner of the endzone and the receiver ran a stop and go.
Now I think they should give Feeley a shot with a short leash and if it looks like the birds have no shot at the playoffs start giving the rookie the ball.
McNabb should get ready for Minnesota. Maybe he'll have a comeback like Randall did there but I'm sick of watching him look like a stiff with no aim in Philly.
well your all sorts of wrong.
first feeley missed some passes but all QBs do. no one is really perfect on every play and makes the exact righ read.
2ndly on that second INT, curtis did not run a stop and go. he ran a double move where he faked the post.
and you have no idea if they have or have not found a QB in Kolb. what are you basing that on?
at this point, with the record being 5-6, the eagles believe they have a chance at the playoffs and will definetly not turn to the rookie. maybe if they are eliminated from the playoff hunt.
Feeley should play until McNabb is 100% in the ankle and thumb, at least.
Kolb shouldn't be in the discussion at all right now. He's holding a clipboard as he should be.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 26, 2007, 09:10:17 AM
Feeley should play until McNabb is 100% in the ankle and thumb, at least.
Kolb shouldn't be in the discussion at all right now. He's holding a clipboard as he should be.
This.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on November 26, 2007, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 26, 2007, 09:10:17 AM
Feeley should play until McNabb is 100% in the ankle and thumb, at least.
Kolb shouldn't be in the discussion at all right now. He's holding a clipboard as he should be.
This.
End of Discussion
who plays qb comes down to one simple question...do the eagles intend to have mcnabb on the team next year...if they do then he should start if they dont then cobb should start if hes nfl ready...if not feely plays until cobb can play in the league
To make it simple, play the guy that gives the team the best chance to win.
It will be Feeley against Seattle this week.
It won't be Kolb at any point this season.
There really isn't a controversy until McNabb is totally healthy.
That stands to reasonable logic, but you've got to understand that this FO believes they're "only 1 game out of a playoff spot" and they're going to push hard for it... no matter how futile that goal is. That eliminates Kolb and probably means AR will rush McNabb back on the field wether he's 100% ready to go or not.
why play the guy that gives you the best chance to win...they arent making the playoffs this year...you have to play towards next year...if in reids mind mcnabb is going to be the opening day starter next year then he should start now...if this year is the end of the mcnabb era then the torch must be passed and you gotta go to the kid when hes ready...until then go with the guy who will be on the team next year and possibly be the starter (feely)
I thought we were discussing what the best decision would be, not what Andy will do. That's obviously a completely different discussion.
No doubt McNabb is playing at ~85% against Seattle and the Eagles have very little chance to beat a Seahawks team that actually is NOT very good at all.
You covered what the best decision would be a couple posts ago.
We just all know that And has zero chance of making the best decision.
He's gonna throw McNabb back in there, ready or not... and go back to chucking the ball all over the place.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 26, 2007, 09:45:37 AM
That stands to reasonable logic, but you've got to understand that this FO believes they're "only 1 game out of a playoff spot" and they're going to push hard for it... no matter how futile that goal is. That eliminates Kolb and probably means AR will rush McNabb back on the field wether he's 100% ready to go or not.
which is a crying shame, because watching Feely
consistently put the ball where the receiver can catch it, and hitting them on the break is what a McNabb should do but never will do here in Philadelphia or anywhere. McNabb doesnt make half of those throws in the pocket--in the pocket the key word. Watching the game was eye-opening, and how management could go back to inefficiency is mind-boggling
i really dont care who starts but i must laugh at all the people calling for feely to be the starter after he did last night exactly what people kill mcnabb for
a bunch of good plays ruined by some unbelievably awful interceptions
feely SUCKS and should be nothing more than a bridge to cobb
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 26, 2007, 09:57:56 AM
He's gonna throw McNabb back in there, ready or not... and go back to chucking the ball all over the place.
He was throwing it all over the place last night also... only with a QB that occasionally throws with accuracy.
well McNabb blows then because I'll put my life on it, he doesnt manage that game like Feely did. No well in hell he makes those kind of throws without trying to scramble first. Its obvious Feely is a back-up, and so was Garcia until he proved otherwise.
What I don't understand is why Andy refuses to see how much better his offense works (for better or for worse) when he has someone else in at QB. I think McNabb is a talented QB, but he and Andy don't fit well together.
What struck me the most was while the commentators were talking about Feeley having time, what I saw was that he was taking his drop and throwing the ball on time, and getting rid of it instead of taking the sack. Playing within the system. Further, I saw him being a leader out there - talking to the players in the huddle and taking charge on the field. McNabb just does not have that presence.
I do not think Feeley is the solution. I just think he along with Garcia last year, stands out as an illustration of how McNabb isn't working in this offense. Yes, this is likely AR's fault, and he could probably call a game better suited to McNabb, but he won't. I think they both need to go, because the team has so much invested in these two they give them too much benefit of the doubt.
why is last season used to illustrate any points about mcnabbs bad play this year? yes he has always been inaccurate, even on top of his game he overhrows or to the feet at least 4-5 times a game. but i have not seen mcnabb look as in effective as he has looked this season so i have to assume its the combo of knee recovery + his shortcomings as a pocket passer.
but last season the offense was fine with him at the QB, cept 2 games where he was awful (tenn and jax).
people forget that garcia had the benefit of catching the giants and cowboys slumping down the stretch and playing the likes of carolina (a game the eagles almost blew anyway) and the falcons.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2007, 10:03:03 AM
i really dont care who starts but i must laugh at all the people calling for feely to be the starter after he did last night exactly what people kill mcnabb for
Word.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 26, 2007, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2007, 10:03:03 AM
i really dont care who starts but i must laugh at all the people calling for feely to be the starter after he did last night exactly what people kill mcnabb for
Word.
well he is the backup. backsups always get the benefit of doubt. they are supposed to suck. if they do anything positive its amazing and out of this world. nevermind the fact they are backups for a reason. feeley is not the first back up to come in and surprise ppl with decent play.
good points cervant on feelys leadership and demeanor...mcnabb has the heart and leadership ability of a three year old...im quite certain had mcnabb thrown that opening interception it would have snowballed into a 70-7 loss due to him sulking and crying with a wet towel over his head
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2007, 10:22:15 AM
im quite certain had mcnabb thrown that opening interception it would have snowballed into a 70-7 loss due to him sulking and crying with a wet towel over his head
yes.
I've come around to the McNabb not working in this system point of view. Not sure what they could do to salvage his career in Philly or even if they want to. Feely seemed tired in the 4th and was underthrowing his receivers a bit. Then made some tired mistakes for interceptions. It is sad when we get a better performance out of a career back up QB though.
If Reid could only call plays for Feeley like he does for McNabb, we'd be unstoppable! Semi-kidding aside, I think McNabb's ACL is a huge problem and he went back to his old ways of throwing the ball entirely with his arm and now that his acl is coming back, he's gotta go back to throwing getting his feet underneath him.
100% or not, McNabb doesn't have the intermediate touch. So I wonder, if McNabb's "touch" is only 12 yard + routes, that's why Reid calls those 12 yard + routes. Which in turn causes McNabb to hold the ball longer, get sacked (.5 his fault .5 his wr's aren't "open open"), get drilled, etc.
You gotta admit though, most of the time when AJ was in, you weren't sure if they were passing it or running it. Reid mixed up his usual pass, pass, pass, punt / pass, run, pass, punt play calling. When Andy did go all pass happy, pass pro was unreal. Reid put in a TE in most of the time and had his RB's chip, help out in pass pro, and have delayed routes - blocking first, 2 tights, bunch formations. Is that the same kind of play calling you would expect for McNabb? I mean, what are you more likely to see, AJ in under center with 2 te's, 2 wr's and Westbrook or McNabb in shotgun with 4 wr's and Westbrook?
That said, AJ puts the ball in a place where the WR's can catch it and catch it in stride. One thing that popped out at me, and one of the biggest differences between him and McNabb IMO, is that he allows the receiver to make a play. IMO McNabb only throws the ball when his receivers are "open open" whereas AJ would throw it when the guy was covered, challenging the WR/TE to make a play. That said though, Reid called a great game last night and even though AJ made some great throws, some of the other ones he had his guys were wide open (seemed like it was mostly against NE zone).
I also wonder when Reid fell head over heels with McNabb, he started calling these aggressive 10 yard + routes, slowly brainwashing McNabb from take what the defense gives you to go down field, be aggressive, make something happen and keep your eyes down field. We've all seen it too many times, McNabb holding on the ball looking to make the big play...but is he just going with what his coach is telling him to do and doing the best he could with the zesty, obvious play calling?
bah.
Reid claims Eagles will hold out McNabb until he's 100% (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3128241)
That's hilarious, because he won't be 100% all season due to the ACL. I also liked this:
Quote"I think we're pretty fortunate we have two quarterbacks here that can play," Reid said.
Kolbsy?
Avant
In a pass happy offense, Feeley throws a more consistent, catchable ball than McNabb does and gets the ball out quicker. Plus, his leadership skills are arguably better.
Feeley gives the Eagles a better chance of winning and being more competitive right now given McNabb's lackluster play all season. I like Feeley's confidence and decisiveness; he may throw a boneheaded INT every once in a while, but his confident approach is refreshing and he has shown that he is not afraid to take his shots and trust his WRs and TEs to make a play -- unlike McNabb where a WR or TE has to be wide open for him to even attempt to complete the pass. Some of those tight throws that Feeley threw yesterday McNabb would have never attempted. He just would have gotten happy feet and then take a "coverage sack".
If anything, Feeley will make the last 5 games of the season fun to watch, instead of watching McNabb throw worm burners, sail passes over receivers' heads, and throw bullets from 5 yards away, and, in the end, we all just pretty much want to be entertained given that this season is going nowhere fast (even though the last 5 games are all pretty much winnable outside maybe the Cowboys).
Didn't see this posted anywhere, Adam Schefter by way of PFT:
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POSTED 10:34 p.m. EST; UPDATED 11:25 p.m. EST, November 26, 2007
EAGLES PUT HIGH PRICE ON McNABB
Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Philadelphia Eagles were contacted before the trade deadline regarding the availability of quarterback Donovan McNabb.
And the requested price was not one, not two, but three first-round draft picks.
Whether the price remains that high after the 2007 season remains to be seen. If it is, McNabb won't be traded.
Our guess is that the Eagles are aiming high in the hopes of getting the most they can. And, as the PFTV guys discuss below, the Eagles can't afford to appear interested in moving McNabb, or they'll have no leverage.
The smartest move for the Eagles, in our view, is to auction him off in the offseason, and to take the best deal they can get.
Wonder who the team was....
Vikings or Bears, I'd imagine.
so McNabb could now throw to Sidney Rice, Williamson and Bobby Wade or Berrian and an aging Muhammad
man, somebody out there hates him
im not the biggest mcnabb fan and ill even concede that feely may be the better option right now...but the amount of people on feelys nuts is incredible...not here as much as on wip and other boards
whats really funny is the same people killing mcnabb last year in the tampa game where he has some nice numbers but ultimately lost the team the game are now prasing feely to no end for having some nice numbers and yet ultimately losing the game for the team
its definitely a double standard, but I think its more to the fact that a "back-up" came in AGAIN and ran the sytem better than a starter in McNabb. The praise is stemming from AJ's style of play and the fact the fans want a change
Let's be real, Feeley didn't lose the game for them. Reid did. Feeley's arm isn't strong enough to throw to the out routes (which led to 2 of the INTs) and lofting up that prayer when the team was in perfect position to wind down the clock from inside the 30 was pure stupidity on Reid's part.
Feeley isn't a starting calibre QB. His arm-strength is laughable. But he trusts his receivers and lays out passes that are easy as shtein to catch. In other words, he's the perfect backup/spot-starter and nothing more. McNabb is better but he has never been and will never be a west coast QB and his time here is done. Get ready for the Kevin Kolb era.
you can absolutely 100% make the argument that feely lost the game with the first interception and/or the last
just like you can make an equally good argument that mcnabb lost the tampa game with two bad interceptions
its just funny how in the tampa game it was mcnabb and in this game it wasnt feely
Quote
McNabb's scrambling ability has been diminished this season and his on-again, off-again relationship with Eagles fans — and maybe a few teammates — was inflamed by comments McNabb made in early November in which he said that other players were also to blame for the Eagles' shaky fortunes and that he was not the main problem.
McNabb's assessment might have been accurate, but it stood in stark contrast to Feeley's reaction Sunday night, when he took complete blame for the Eagles' loss.
"This isn't his fault," cornerback Sheldon Brown told The Inquirer after the game, speaking of Feeley. "That's what a leader does. He takes criticism and puts the game on his shoulders. That's what he did. 'I lost the game.' He played a heck of a football game. I'd play with him any day of the week."
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 27, 2007, 10:01:58 AM
you can absolutely 100% make the argument that feely lost the game with the first interception and/or the last
Yeah, I'll agree with that. But if you're going to pinpoint ONE play that lost them the game, it was Reid's at the end.
i blame westbrook for letting old man seau catch him and tackle him...
Regardless of the call, the TE was wide up up the middle, like he'd been all game.
And curtis was never open or in a position to make that catch, feely should have never even tried to make that throw.
Feeley's timing, reads, and accuracy were better than McNabb is capable of most of the game.
If nothing else, he's earned the right to start until McNabb's ankle and thumb are completed healed.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 27, 2007, 10:29:52 AM
Feeley's timing, reads, and accuracy were better than McNabb is capable of most of the game.
If nothing else, he's earned the right to start until McNabb's ankle and thumb are completed healed.
This.
McNabb is doing what he can this year, but even outside of the thumb and ankle, he still ain't right due to the knee. That said, I still want him starting once the thumb/ankle are OK. I just hope the fat man doesn't rush him back too early.
McNabb needs to start, whether the Eagles want to move forward with him or not. The odds of the Eagles doing significant damage this year are not great, regardless of whether McNabb or Feeley is at QB.
If the Eagles want McNabb to be part of the team next year, he needs to play if healthy, obviously. If the Eagles are looking to deal McNabb in the offseason, then he still needs to start...or his trade value goes in the toilet. Even if Feeley is a moderate upgrade right now, do you really want to highlight to the world that AJ Feeley can run your offense more efficiently than the guy you may want to trade?
Playing Kolb really makes little sense right now, other than giving him some garbage snaps later in the year for the same reasons.
Addendum: If the Eagles want to move away from McNabb, the other option would be to put McNabb on IR later in the year with some minor, bogus injury to save him from any real injury and to get extra playing time for the other two QBs.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on November 26, 2007, 01:47:19 PM
One thing that popped out at me, and one of the biggest differences between him and McNabb IMO, is that he allows the receiver to make a play. IMO McNabb only throws the ball when his receivers are "open open" whereas AJ would throw it when the guy was covered, challenging the WR/TE to make a play.
absofarginglutely...garcia was the same way. had mcnabb played sunday night, he wouldn't have attempted 1/2 the throws that feeley completed. he would've held onto the ball & taken a sack or checked down to westbrook.
Quote from: hunt on November 27, 2007, 12:33:41 PM
had mcnabb played sunday night, he wouldn't have attempted 1/2 the throws that feeley completed. he would've held onto the ball & taken a sack or checked down to westbrook.
Westbrook was well-covered most of the night. McNabb would have been sacked at least 6-7 times. Fact is the OL was playing well, but not amazingly. Feeley's timing was excellent all night, though, and he was getting the ball out of his hands quickly.
I'd like to see the average time Feeley held the ball before attempting a pass
last Sunday night as compared to McNabb in general. It's probably a solid second quicker.
and check to see how many holding penalties we got. I think it was zero (?).
You get rid of it on time, less chance of holding penalties, less 3 and outs, move the football more, score. See how easy?
We are so conditioned to McNabb's dink and dunk bullshtein that we see Feeley's performance as some sort of epiphany. Fact is Feeley ran the offense the way it's supposed to be run and we all saw the results.
PS: Three #1's for McNabb? Bahahaha! Right.
Well, just think.... a #1 pick can turn into a dead guy in only a few short years anyway.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 27, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
Well, just think.... a #1 pick can turn into a dead guy in only a few short years anyway.
Hahaha that's farging terrible. :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 27, 2007, 03:23:11 PM
We are so conditioned to McNabb's dink and dunk bullshtein that we see Feeley's performance as some sort of epiphany. Fact is Feeley ran the offense the way it's supposed to be run and we all saw the results.
PS: Three #1's for McNabb? Bahahaha! Right.
i dnot know why picks are so highly valued these days. 4rth round for moss? 2nd round for owens? and these guys were not some unknowns. most ppl would give a 1st round pick now to get these players esp if the team was on the verge and needed that one player to propel them.
most teams waste many drafts and #1 picks on QBs who never develop. mcnabb might not be manning or brady but if he can return back to form he would be worth a #1 pick.
of course in todays football world mcnabb would most likely go for a 3rd round pick.
It just seems that everytime McNabb goes out the WRs all of a sudden come alive. Reggie Brown had a great last half of the season with Garcia at the helm and all the WRs and TEs were involved against the Pats. Granted, the WR corps isn't the best in the league, but they put up numbers against a pretty good D. Greg F'n Lewis had two TD grabs; and nice ones too. It just seems like everyone tries that much harder with Feeley or any backup for that matter, because it seems like they know that if they get at least some separation Feeley will find them and give them the opportunity to make a play.
1st round picks aren't worth much with the Eagles track record.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 27, 2007, 10:29:52 AM
Feeley's timing, reads, and accuracy were better than McNabb is capable of most of the game.
If nothing else, he's earned the right to start until McNabb's ankle and thumb are completed healed.
Completely agree. And I'd say his touch is better, too...though obviously not on the long ball. Short and intermediate, he's got better touch. Of course, I say that based on one game, which is not a good sample. If you broaden the sample to all of his time with the Eagles, I'd still contend this...but if you add his year in Miami or what little he did in SD, then I don't know...
I think
Zanshin's comments at the top of this page are dead on from FO/Reid's perspective.
Quote from: reese125 on November 27, 2007, 01:25:18 PM
and check to see how many holding penalties we got. I think it was zero (?).
You get rid of it on time, less chance of holding penalties,...
I couldn't help but notice that several excellent completions Sunday night occured because Feeley stood in for the hit in order to make the throw. He was planting well and getting good throws off, then getting nailed. If he's better than Mcnabb at reading the field, then it only helps that he's also better at sticking around to make the throw. I think most of the time McNabb will try to juke around the hit, or take off to the sideline before sending a bullet into the ground two feet in front of Westbrook. Obviously, if you can read, get rid of the ball quickly, and take the occasional hit in order to do so, you're going to be better in the WCO. Hell, in any.
You're also going to give the O Line a break by not dragging plays on, the team a break by not getting sacked for 8 yard losses while you boondoggle around backfield, etc.
QuoteObviously, if you can read, get rid of the ball quickly, and take the occasional hit in order to do so, you're going to be better in the WCO.
McNabb could never do the first two very well and now seems reluctant to take a shot. I can't say I blame him because after 10 years of getting my meatcicle knocked in the dirt I'd be equally as twitchy back there.
Quote from: Zanshin on November 27, 2007, 11:59:14 AM
McNabb needs to start, whether the Eagles want to move forward with him or not.
I've been McNabb's biggest supporter on this board, but after this year and all the things that have gone on, it wouldn't hurt my feelings if he never lined up under center for this team again. A career backup just lead our team to a three pt. game against the best team in the league, and possibly one of the best of all time. Yes, he threw three int's, but that will happen when you haven't played in a while.
After hearing McNabb cry about being a black qb, saying it's not all his fault after a loss and basically sounding like a 5 yr. old pissing his teammates off, I'm about done with him. Just shut the farg up and play already. He's a often injured shell of his former self, his mechanics are so screwed up he might not ever get right again, and even if he does, it seems his time here is done and he's just about worn out his welcome.
Feeley taking the blame for the Pats loss after Reid wasted that last possesion showed me he has more guts in his little finger than McNabb has in his entire body.
well besides feeley a lot of starting "good" QBs have had a chance against the pats and have failed. so i wouldnt put feeley up there for his one game performance.
if he starts this week or plays a string of games like he did this past sunday then i would believe in him.
BTW shorebird how did mcnabb piss him teammates off by saying its not all his fault? did some player mention something?
Quote from: shorebird on November 28, 2007, 06:49:57 AM
Feeley taking the blame for the Pats loss after Reid wasted that last possesion showed me he has more guts in his little finger than McNabb has in his entire body.
Welcome to the dark side. Grab yourself a beer and get comfortable.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 28, 2007, 07:21:44 AM
well besides feeley a lot of starting "good" QBs have had a chance against the pats and have failed. so i wouldnt put feeley up there for his one game performance.
if he starts this week or plays a string of games like he did this past sunday then i would believe in him.
BTW shorebird how did mcnabb piss him teammates off by saying its not all his fault? did some player mention something?
I think it was posted in another thread. Sheldon Brown (?) was quoted praising AJ for putting the loss on his shoulders and showing true leadership. Thats an indirect shot if you ask me
or reading too much into it. whats sheldon supposed to say "he showed true leadership just like mcnabb does". i never want to get into reading into what these guys say and mean cause most of the time they are trying to say the same things. wasnt sheldon also the guy who said there is a double standard about players being suspended while coaches (like reid with his kids) do not get any punishment or looked into. that was much more a direct shot than saying "oh AJ took leadership by blaming himself".
besides i doubt anything AJ did affected the defense.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 28, 2007, 09:42:54 AM
or reading too much into it. whats sheldon supposed to say "he showed true leadership just like mcnabb does". i never want to get into reading into what these guys say and mean cause most of the time they are trying to say the same things. wasnt sheldon also the guy who said there is a double standard about players being suspended while coaches (like reid with his kids) do not get any punishment or looked into. that was much more a direct shot than saying "oh AJ took leadership by blaming himself".
besides i doubt anything AJ did affected the defense.
we got shorebird on the team now we have to get the last of the mcnabb lapdogs MR...come on buddy put on your funny hat and join the club
yeah ok dude. if this team had a actual plan besides rebuilding with reid at the helm i would be on board.
my fear is that they get rid of mcnabb, build around feeley and result in the same dissapointment yr after yr. one good performance out of feeley will not change my mind. thats why i said i need to see a string of good games.
and i would definetly never get into reading into what these guys say and what they mean and how they feel and if they laugh it means they are soft or if there is towel on thier head it means they are pouting.
listening to the radio here NYC killing eli it just sounds hilarious how they blast him for the way his face looks after he makes a mistake. i think ppl like that have a serious problem. eli can not help it if he is ugly and looks dumb on the sidelines. i do not judge players based on how facial expressions or if they are a rah rah guy. thats exactly the type of critic you are. when mcnabb wins a game its in spite of him the team won. when he loses a game its because hes weak.
who knows maybe sheldon did throw a indirect shot but if he meant what ppl think he meant then he should just come out and say it or just keep shut. i think most of these guys are morons who usually deliver rehearsed responses.
Quote from: shorebird on November 28, 2007, 06:49:57 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on November 27, 2007, 11:59:14 AM
McNabb needs to start, whether the Eagles want to move forward with him or not.
I've been McNabb's biggest supporter on this board, but after this year and all the things that have gone on, it wouldn't hurt my feelings if he never lined up under center for this team again. A career backup just lead our team to a three pt. game against the best team in the league, and possibly one of the best of all time. Yes, he threw three int's, but that will happen when you haven't played in a while.
After hearing McNabb cry about being a black qb, saying it's not all his fault after a loss and basically sounding like a 5 yr. old pissing his teammates off, I'm about done with him. Just shut the farg up and play already. He's a often injured shell of his former self, his mechanics are so screwed up he might not ever get right again, and even if he does, it seems his time here is done and he's just about worn out his welcome.
Feeley taking the blame for the Pats loss after Reid wasted that last possesion showed me he has more guts in his little finger than McNabb has in his entire body.
I just want to be clear that my postulation had nothing to do with a personal need to see McNabb-- it's about what we're likely to achieve this year (or not) regardless of who mans the position, and the business/future value of sticking with McNabb for now. It's a "don't cut off your nose to spite your face" thing. The odds of getting ridiculous value for McNabb are slim-- but let's not forget that someone shelled out a 2 for Feeley and a 2 for a gimpy Culpepper. Sure, that was Miami retardation in both cases, but getting a 1 isn't at all out of the question if McNabb can show some value the rest of the year.
I think coaches have enough tape on Mcnabb last year, this year, whatever year to know that he can run an offense, alot better than a Tavaris Jackson or Rex Grossman. Not to mention he will be healthier. The Eagles should get value--lets hope. Some people just need a fresh start....and hes one of them
Anybody else realize that he is 15-15 since the 2004 Super Bowl?
Quote from: reese125 on November 28, 2007, 10:54:19 AM
Anybody else realize that he is 15-15 since the 2004 Super Bowl?
And gets hurt a lot.
actually i believe mcnabb is one game under .500 since then
btw so is andy reid
Quote from: reese125 on November 28, 2007, 10:54:19 AM
I think coaches have enough tape on Mcnabb last year, this year, whatever year to know that he can run an offense, alot better than a Tavaris Jackson or Rex Grossman. Not to mention he will be healthier. The Eagles should get value--lets hope. Some people just need a fresh start....and hes one of them
Anybody else realize that he is 15-15 since the 2004 Super Bowl?
You're missing the point. Someone has to think something is of value to you if you want them to pay for it.
Quote from: Zanshin on November 28, 2007, 11:22:23 AM
You're missing the point. Someone has to think something is of value to you if you want them to pay for it.
Actually, they just have to think that it is of value to someone else willing to pay more.
Donovan McNabb (ankle, thumb) did not practice Wednesday, making it unlikely that he will start in Week 13 against the Seahawks.
"When Donovan is ready to come back physically, he will be the starting quarterback," coach Andy Reid assured. Reid says McNabb still has swelling in his ankle and considers him day to day. Still, all indications point to McNabb missing Sunday's game and A.J. Feeley getting the start again.
I'm curious what would happen to the line if McNabb were announced to be the starter for Sunday.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Reid_stands_up_for_McNabb_again.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Reid_stands_up_for_McNabb_again.html)
Quote"People don't remember what I've done here, what I've been able to accomplish here," he said. "Why would I waste my time on trying to bring it up ... it's a no-win situation for me."
Paging Mr. Bitterman. Call from Minneapolis for Mr. Bitterman. Please pick-up the white courtesy telephone....
Jesus farging Christ. Enough already, just trade him for a sack of smelly thongs and be done with it.
The Eagles wouldn't be in this mess if the Hoying pick had worked out.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 29, 2007, 01:39:16 AM
The Eagles wouldn't be in this mess if the Hoying pick had worked out.
excellent :-D
I don't remember were I read that certian players were pissed about McNabb's comments. I thought it was an article posted in this or another thread.
McNabb's career has been like another Eagles qb that some of you might be a little too young to remember. Randall Cunningham couldn't get his team over the hump either, and late in his career here, he lost the respect of his teammates. I have the same feelings for McNabb now as I had for Cunningham back then. I just hope we don't go through a glut of bad qb's for a decade before finnally getting a decent one.
I go back and forth on McNabb. Most of the time, I think he just needs a coach who gives him a system that works better for him than what Reid has done. A coach who doesn't coddle him, who gets plays into the huddle with the quickness, who runs to set up the pass rather than the other way around, etc.
Then there are times like this that I think, yeah all that is very nice of me but at the end of the day McNabb has the talent of a world class athlete but the mentality of a whining loser.
i used to be a huge mcnabb fan....and because of that i put up with his awful sense of humor and his lack of fire...then in 2004 i really started to sour on him...his awful comedy routines hed do with TO in every interview...when he literally quit in the steeler game...the superbowl gag (pun intended)....then the TO mess where i was clearly anti TO but still bothered by mcnabbs bitchiness...and ever since then its been one gigantic whinefest...it never ends
basically what mcnabb is is the ultimate front runner...when things are going well hes benny hill and when it isnt hes spalding smails
so you started to sour on mcnabb in 04? when he had his best season and the team went to the superbowl?
more proof that you and your type care more about what he says or how he acts on the sideline then how he performs.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 29, 2007, 08:12:15 AM
so you started to sour on mcnabb in 04? when he had his best season and the team went to the superbowl?
more proof that you and your type care more about what he says or how he acts on the sideline then how he performs.
personality and heart often effect how you perform on the field....especially in the tough times..anyone can perform when things are going perfect...but its the true champions who buck up in the toughest situations
right so the anyway mcnabb could ever disprove that is by winning the superbowl.
so why were you still in like with him b4 04? he was just as corny then.
i just find it funny that when he had his best season and the team had its best season is when you started to dislike him. and here i thought that would be the season even the most critical fan would be ok with mcnabb's performance.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 29, 2007, 08:22:02 AM
right so the anyway mcnabb could ever disprove that is by winning the superbowl.
so why were you still in like with him b4 04? he was just as corny then.
i just find it funny that when he had his best season and the team had its best season is when you started to dislike him. and here i thought that would be the season even the most critical fan would be ok with mcnabb's performance.
the superbowl or more than one of the several dozen nfcc games he was in
hes been corny since day one...thats not a reason to dislike a guy as a player...but it definitely shows weakness...i cant really think of one great qb that wouldnt stab you in the heart if you were bewteen then and the lombardi trophy...mcnabb just doesnt have that in him
for the record i didnt start to dislike him in 04 i just started seeing more serious cracks in his armor...even as we stand right now i dont dislike the guy...but he is what he is and you gotta call him on it
i'm sick of the passive aggressive routine...
Quote"People don't remember what I've done here, what I've been able to accomplish here," he said. "Why would I waste my time on trying to bring it up ... it's a no-win situation for me."
he's bringing up what he's done without actually doing it... text book
It is a no-win situation, because that stuff might only matter after he retires. What matters now is winning now...that's just the way it is.
What the hell does this guy want? Compassion? Another sympathy hug? Nine years of not winning anything, but coming close doesnt cut it. Not in the football world, nor the business world. Even if he did win the Superbowl back then, and he's shteinting the bed now and cant help his team win games because of his physical inabilities....he's c-ya bye.
His time is up, he blew his opportunity, deal with it...move on. You hear it in the sales world every month, and its the truth. It all boils down to "what have you done for me lately?"
sure you couldnt have fit one more cliche in that post?
since your the MIT janitor, how many did you count?
Who likes apples?
i have to go see about a girl
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 29, 2007, 08:27:32 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 29, 2007, 08:22:02 AM
right so the anyway mcnabb could ever disprove that is by winning the superbowl.
so why were you still in like with him b4 04? he was just as corny then.
i just find it funny that when he had his best season and the team had its best season is when you started to dislike him. and here i thought that would be the season even the most critical fan would be ok with mcnabb's performance.
the superbowl or more than one of the several dozen nfcc games he was in
hes been corny since day one...thats not a reason to dislike a guy as a player...but it definitely shows weakness...i cant really think of one great qb that wouldnt stab you in the heart if you were bewteen then and the lombardi trophy...mcnabb just doesnt have that in him
for the record i didnt start to dislike him in 04 i just started seeing more serious cracks in his armor...even as we stand right now i dont dislike the guy...but he is what he is and you gotta call him on it
corny jokes = weakness
got it.
btw the cracks in his armor were evident from day one. its no shock today that he is not the most accurate of QBs or that he will hold on the to the ball forever because he thinks he can break and escape any sack.
if reid wanted to stick to a WCO offense, he should have long replaced McNabb with someone who he believed would fit better. he did not. he also did not change the system then to adapt to his players or bring in playmakers to help McNabb out.
and you pointed out the superbowl and the 3 other NFC chamionshape games hes been in...yeah he choked in them (2 especially) but its easy to forget that they reached that level because of him, not in spite of him. mcnabb is much of a choke artist as the many other QBs in the league present and past who could never win the big one (marino, kelly) and mcnabb is not even half has good as they were.
for the record i would be fine with getting rid of mcnabb. he keeps getting hurt and can not be counted on to lead the team for a full season, esp this team. but my problem is that with reid here, and not leaving any time soon, that the same problems will continue to plague the team. everyone loved garcia but back in the playoffs it was reid's idiotic play calling and decisions that cost the game for the eagles. 1 good game out of feeley does not convince me that with mcnabb gone that the team will somehow perform better with the likes of feeley or kolb. i would like to think/believe that this team is a few key players from making another run for it all...
but if they do go into a full rebuilding mode i still do not trust reid. he will waste westbrook in his prime and develop another QB and stick with him even if he does not fit the system or never provide him enough help offensively to elevate the team. you still have a defense that will continue to undervalue LBs and over value "bullets" on the line.
Quoteif reid wanted to stick to a WCO offense, he should have long replaced McNabb with someone who he believed would fit better. he did not. he also did not change the system then to adapt to his players or bring in playmakers to help McNabb out.
Absolutely. And what prevented that was Reid's "big play" seduction. He thought that he could be a WCO AND a big play team cementing a legacy of WCO "but even better". Too bad a persistent lack of accuracy, killer instincts, drafting savvy and a philosophy to get in their pocket to hire top level talent threw a little wrench in that marriage.
No team excels at all those activities, but jesus they never attained ANY of those requirements. And now they are left with pieces and parts of that failed direction.
Reset. Reload.
OT I know, but to me the bigger question next year isn't McNabb - but Westbrook. Will he be retained or will they let him drift away like team members of the early 90's. The salary debacle was instructive.
the notion that mcnabb couldnt handle the wco is incorrect...was it a perfect fit no but when they had actual talent around him.....ie the TO year....he excelled...
i definitely would have preferred mcnabb to have played in a pro set offense his whole career...however that being said reids mistake was not in trying to get mcnabb to fit in the wco it was not getting enough pieces to fit around mcnabb
donovan isnt good enough to carry an offense by himself but hes more than good enough to win a championship if you go the extra mile to make him comfortable by putting a lot around him
I dunno...I think his historical ball-delivery issues have always prevented him from being a good WCO fit.
If one was in a generous mood, perhaps one could attribute his "accuracy" issues to a (justifiable) lack of confidence in his receivers, (with his solution to either hold the ball too long or throw worm burners thus avoiding the int.,) but even as I type this it seems a bit of a stretch.
Without rare, physical receivers like Owens who will "go get" errant balls, the WCO system demands consistent accuracy and "touch" and I don't think he ever qualified in this area.
i thought mcnabb was making strides without TO last season till the last 2 games. some of those offensive performances were without stallworth in the lineup. our starting WRs were baskett and brown.
just think about that for a second. hell remember they were going into the season perfectly content with having baskett and brown be the starters. 1 non drafted rookie and the other a 2 yr player. 2 yrs removed from the Superbowl and instead of trying to acquire top talent to get back to the superbowl Reid was content with brown and baskett.
Quote from: JackStraw on November 29, 2007, 02:01:28 PM
I dunno...I think his historical ball-delivery issues have always prevented him from being a good WCO fit.
If one was in a generous mood, perhaps one could attribute his "accuracy" issues to a (justifiable) lack of confidence in his receivers, (with his solution to either hold the ball too long or throw worm burners thus avoiding the int.,) but even as I type this it seems a bit of a stretch.
Without rare, physical receivers like Owens who will "go get" errant balls, the WCO system demands consistent accuracy and "touch" and I don't think he ever qualified in this area.
i think youre revising history a little bit...mcnabb was super accurate in 04 and TO was catching balls in perfect stride not going to get them....mcnabbs accuracy problems (and yes he has them) were hidden because TO could get open whenever he wanted so there were far less needles that had to be threaded both to TO and the field that he opened up to others...
why reid wasnt able to see this before TO and why he refused to not adequetely replace TO is up for debate
Quote2 yrs removed from the Superbowl and instead of trying to acquire top talent to get back to the superbowl Reid was content with brown and baskett.
..which is disgusting. We as fans are severely brainwashed and have been for a while in believing McNabb can run the WCO effectively. When you run around in the pocket, it obviously builds extra time for the receivers to get open. Sure he has the occasional "wow" passes that are timed perfectly, but lets not lose fact that the majority of the passes to his receivers are potluck. They are either standing there waiting for the pass or diving down to get it . You rarely see any YAC's for that very reason. Funny how we saw those YACs with AJ or Garcia, and they would of been 5 x's better with above avg receivers
It's quite the retarded situation if you think about it.
Summed up, Reid won't adapt his system for a QB that doesn't fit it. ...and he hand picked McNabb. Story of the Reid era.
Quote from: reese125 on November 29, 2007, 03:25:36 PM
Quote2 yrs removed from the Superbowl and instead of trying to acquire top talent to get back to the superbowl Reid was content with brown and baskett.
..which is disgusting. We as fans are severely brainwashed and have been for a while in believing McNabb can run the WCO effectively. When you run around in the pocket, it obviously builds extra time for the receivers to get open. Sure he has the occasional "wow" passes that are timed perfectly, but lets not lose fact that the majority of the passes to his receivers are potluck. They are either standing there waiting for the pass or diving down to get it . You rarely see any YAC's for that very reason. Funny how we saw those YACs with AJ or Garcia, and they would of been 5 x's better with above avg receivers
who has been brainwashed here? ever since i have been on this board (i think since reids 2nd yr) i have heard about mcnabb's inability to be accurate.
im actually glad that majority of the ppl here actually know football and are not like the eagles board knee jerk fans who i had to deal with till i found this place.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 29, 2007, 04:21:58 PM
Quote from: reese125 on November 29, 2007, 03:25:36 PM
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who has been brainwashed here? ever since i have been on this board (i think since reids 2nd yr) i have heard about mcnabb's inability to be accurate.
im actually glad that majority of the ppl here actually know football and are not like the eagles board knee jerk fans who i had to deal with till i found this place.
I think this year McNsbb has shown a considerable drop-off in his ability to evade the rush, and he has actually been caught up to and pulled down from behind this year on more than a few occassions. This in combination with the fact that his accuracy comes and goes from game to game have really got me down on him this year.
Many of my friends said at the end of last year that they should've dealt McNabb and kept Garcia. I thought they were nuts last year, but I don't think that anymore.
please consult with vigy for lessons on how to quote properly. kisses, thanks.
lightbulb-head Clayton tells us nothing new (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3136522&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1)
Feeley, apparently, is what we thought he was.
Fire Andy Reid.
farg McNabbs injury. Start him until we are officially done to get whatever trade value we can get. Too bad we'll get nothing for Feeley. Get ready for Kolb in a couple weeks.
Goodbye Kearse, Howard, Smith, and the list goes on. This slide from the superbowl has been just the farging worst piece of steaming dog shtein I have seen a team go through since the slide after the summer Jerome died.
Lurie>Bramer>Tose but so farging what.
Linc>Vet>Franklin Field but so farging what.
McNabb>Cunningham>Jaworski but so farging what.
I'f I'm Westbrook I'm taking a steaming twisty twirly "Davenport" in Feeleys locker right about now.
Westbrook should take a plump one on Reid's desk. Reid called the plays. If Reid runs, Feeley passes less, which means less INTs.
Feeley sent love letters with his eyes on every one of those farging picks. He deserves the corn-adding-for-texture gift.
Quote from: King Cole on December 02, 2007, 04:20:46 PM
Westbrook should take a plump one on Reid's desk. Reid called the plays. If Reid runs, Feeley passes less, which means less INTs.
i saw marty calling the plays.
it doesnt matter though because all of them are idiots of the same.
I've never seen a QB consistently decide to throw into double coverage as much as I saw Feeley do it tonight. It was almost as though he was doing it intentionally.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 02, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
I've never seen a QB consistently decide to throw into double coverage as much as I saw Feeley do it tonight. It was almost as though he was doing it intentionally.
Hell yeah... throwing into double coverage to Greg farging Lewis no less.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 02, 2007, 05:53:17 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on December 02, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
I've never seen a QB consistently decide to throw into double coverage as much as I saw Feeley do it tonight. It was almost as though he was doing it intentionally.
Hell yeah... throwing into double coverage to Greg farging Lewis no less.
multiple times
QuoteFeeley already has thrown two more interceptions than McNabb in just 2 1/2 games. His seventh pick came on his 93rd pass of the season. McNabb has been intercepted just six times in 326 attempts.
Farger, now we know why Miami cut him. (not that it wasn't obvious before) :boom
Without those picks, the last two games were most likely wins...
Quote from: rjs246 on December 02, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
I've never seen a QB consistently decide to throw into double coverage as much as I saw Feeley do it tonight. It was almost as though he was doing it intentionally.
That tends to happen when your receivers suck and can't get separation even from middling defensive backs like Seattle has.
Lousy talent, poor play-calling and a quarterback without the ability to look off defensive backs. Ladies and gentlemen, meet your 2007 Philadelphia Eagles.
feely has two throws
1. the soft lob down the middle btwn a corner and the free safety...the one lewis caught against the patriots...and because it worked then he thinks he can do it all the time...he must have tried this throw five times today
2. the bullet into lofa tatupu's chest
the end
Hasselbeck threw some shtein passes too... if the Eagles defense could catch like Tatupu, they win that game.
if the seahawks can catch then feely has 7 ints...if's dont usually happen tho
wip update? idiot fans must be spinning in their graves.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 02, 2007, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on December 02, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
I've never seen a QB consistently decide to throw into double coverage as much as I saw Feeley do it tonight. It was almost as though he was doing it intentionally.
That tends to happen when your receivers suck and can't get separation even from middling defensive backs like Seattle has.
Lousy talent, poor play-calling and a quarterback without the ability to look off defensive backs. Ladies and gentlemen, meet your 2007 Philadelphia Eagles.
Feely, ya bad decison making but the WR group is not that bad - they have thier bad days but Garcia sure made last years corp look pretty good. I do beleive there is talent there (not the talent of that player that can't be mentioned or Edwards). The right QB and the right system and these guys are not that bad.
Today I was pleased I couldn't watch the game. I had a shteinload of stuff to do around the house, and it was Sean Taylor day down here, so no chance of any coverage. I threw on the GameCenter thing, and checked it a few times. I think I might set something ablaze if Kolb isn't the starter next week. Season over.
Quote from: PPinDC on December 02, 2007, 09:40:05 PM
Today I was pleased I couldn't watch the game. I had a shteinload of stuff to do around the house, and it was Sean Taylor day down here, so no chance of any converage. I threw on the GameCenter thing, and check it a few times. I think I might set something ablaze if Kolb isn't the starter next week. Season over.
DIO???
Here I am!
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2007, 07:20:30 PM
feely has two throws
1. the soft lob down the middle btwn a corner and the free safety...the one lewis caught against the patriots...and because it worked then he thinks he can do it all the time...he must have tried this throw five times today
2. the bullet into lofa tatupu's chest
the end
1. I can see trying that pass once, mayyybe twice a game IF you have a stud WR with the
speed, size and hands that you can trust to fight for the ball and make a play for you. But when you keep throwing that shtein to Greg farging Lewis, who's pretty much the softest WR on the team... you need your ass whooped. He's lucky he only got away with incompletes.
2. I can't imagine Feeley's disappointment when he was trying to complete another one to his ol' buddy Lofa, only to find out that it was Julian Peterson.
Dear Donovan:
We're sorry. Get better soon.
Love,
:CF
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2007, 08:53:04 AM
Dear Donovan:
We're sorry. Get better soon.
Love,
:CF
ROFL this.
its funny too because the one thing you heard ad nauseum all week was how aj gets the ball out so quick...yesterday on the quick slants he got the ball out so fast that he didnt realize a defender was there
Anyone who thought that AJ was the solution for this team has their head up their ass.
What we saw from AJ last week and what we saw from Garcia last year is there is something fundamentally flawed about the Reid - McNabb team. McNabb is not capable of executing Reid's game plans, which are clearly oriented to a different style of QB.
The conclusion is that one or both need to go, but unfortunately neither is going to happen. What we should be doing right now is seeing if Kolb is that solution, but the tunnel vision of the team management along with the pathetic state of the NFC has the coach trying to find a way to get into the playoffs.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2007, 08:53:04 AM
Dear Donovan:
We're sorry. Get better soon.
Love,
:CF
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Cerevant on December 03, 2007, 09:46:39 AM
Anyone who thought that AJ was the solution for this team has their head up their ass.
What we saw from AJ last week and what we saw from Garcia last year is there is something fundamentally flawed about the Reid - McNabb team. McNabb is not capable of executing Reid's game plans, which are clearly oriented to a different style of QB.
The conclusion is that one or both need to go, but unfortunately neither is going to happen. What we should be doing right now is seeing if Kolb is that solution, but the tunnel vision of the team management along with the pathetic state of the NFC has the coach trying to find a way to get into the playoffs.
i wouldnt write off donovan completely...this year was gonna be a wasted year for him from the start due to the injury...he has the potential for another 3-4-5 good years left starting next year....yes he could easily get hurt again but imo the problem clearly resides with reid both in terms of his offensive philosophy and his player personel issues.....this is all much bigger than the quarterback position
Assume Nothing
By Bob Brookover
Said Feely:
I spread the ball around, and I'm never locked on a guy, and I let the defense dictate where I'm going to go with the football rather than me dictating to the defense where I'm going to go with the football. When you do that, you can be efficient, and you give yourself a chance to get first downs. It may not be flashy, throwing the ball down the field all the time, but it's about being efficient and giving your team a chance to win games."
you sure do bud..
thats funny because the commentators yesterday mentioned constantly how he had his eyes locked on the WR he was going to throw to.
Namely, Greg Lewis.
Quote
I spread the ball around, and I'm never locked on a guy, and I let the defense dictate where I'm going to go with the football rather than me dictating to the defense where I'm going to go with the football.
And Tutupo was dictating to Feeley where to throw it all day.
Feeley McNabb
--------- = ----------
Totupu Barber
Quote from: rjs246 on December 03, 2007, 11:03:40 AM
Namely, Greg Lewis.
and then on that one TD pass to Curtis he actually had G Lewis wide open cutting across the field for a TD.
of course Feeley forced the ball into Curtis and was very lucky that Curtis came down with the ball.
BTW i am very critical of the WRs, but one thing i notice about Curtis that i like is his ability to go up and get the ball. he is not tall and not moss like but he seems to fight for every ball. there was a catch he made along the sidelines...he landed out of bounds but i liked the effort.
if only they were not banking on him to be star.
Reid talking up Donovan. He's says Donovan wanted to play against Seahawks.
Sounds like Donovan plays out the rest of the season. Zashin's theory of market value, I guess.
Guess we don't find out if Kevin Kolb is the next Ryan Leaf or next Tom Brady until next year.
the market value stuff is bunk...donovan is the starting qb and the best qb on the roster and if hes healthy enough he starts until they are mathmatically eliminated...it would be inexcusable for him to give a rookie qb his first nfl start in a wild card race if mcnabb is healthy
its also possible that cobb simply isnt ready to play in the nfl right now
Who is cobb?
salad
Quote from: Phillyiggles_fan on December 03, 2007, 12:12:50 PM
Reid talking up Donovan. He's says Donovan wanted to play against Seahawks.
Sounds like Donovan plays out the rest of the season. Zashin's theory of market value, I guess.
Guess we don't find out if Kevin Kolb is the next Ryan Leaf or next Tom Brady until next year.
Honestly, if Kolb is the next Matt Hasselbeck I'll be satisfied.
Playing Kolb right now has very little benefit. It's a very difficult system. More great QB's have come up slowly than those that have been rushed into action. I also agree that the market value stuff is completely bogus. You play the QB that gives your team the best chance to win the game as long as a playoff bid is possible. Feeley had us briefly fooled, but he proved beyond doubt he is NOT that guy.
McNabb might have lost worse against the Patriots, but IMO, he would have beaten the Seahawks.
Feeley is a fine backup. The team is not dead in the water with him under center. But McNabb is still the guy you have to play if healthy. Plus, he throws the ball to Westbrook more.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2007, 01:04:24 PM
Feeley had me briefly fooled, but he proved beyond doubt he is NOT that guy.
For a guy who listens to WIP, you should know better than anyone I wasn't the only one.
AJ was barely if not at all in shotgun against NE
I have to think the only reason why they kept AJ in shotgun was because dropping back with a quick plant on that wet field would result in disaster. Which then should of lit a bulb off in Reids head that says, "hey--I wonder if the receivers can cut too?" I mean....did he not see receivers falling down all day long, and the running game working.
I understand sticking to the gameplan, but you have to adjust that gameplan when it comes to weather...bottom line
rinse and squeeze
both teams played in the same conditions
both teams threw more than they passed
only one team had brian westbrook
also the the shotgun drives me crazy on running downs...particularly the first down play after westbrooks punt return...there was plenty of time for a run there and to tell the defense that it wasnt going to happen by going empty backfield shotgun formation was pathetic...maybe if you show possible run tatupu has to play closer to the line and cant cheat on the slant route....it just made no sense
I especially like the empty backfield shotgun first play of the game. I believe they've started shotgun the last 3 weeks or so.
i love how they describe the "system" as "difficult"
truth is the "system" sucks ass and is overrated. just like the people who designed it. it's time to clean shop. it starts with the coachs and then continue to the over paid washed up players.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2007, 03:08:20 PM
also the the shotgun drives me crazy on running downs...particularly the first down play after westbrooks punt return...there was plenty of time for a run there and to tell the defense that it wasnt going to happen by going empty backfield shotgun formation was pathetic...maybe if you show possible run tatupu has to play closer to the line and cant cheat on the slant route....it just made no sense
funny thing is when did Feely become an All-Pro where he could run the shotgun full-time. The QB's I see run that consistently are Brady and Favre (4 or 5 receiver sets) now and Marino, McNair and Moon back in the day. It was apparent his timing and decisions were way off, and that could easily of been attributed to the shotgun--or the fact hes just not that good
Kolbsy was a shotgun player in college. It's just the first step of tailoring the offense to his skills.
Quote from: mussa on December 03, 2007, 03:43:23 PM
i love how they describe the "system" as "difficult"
truth is the "system" sucks ass and is overrated. just like the people who designed it. it's time to clean shop. it starts with the coachs and then continue to the over paid washed up players.
The system has won about 10 Super Bowls. The system is fine. The problem lies in the coaches who implement it and the sub-par talent (other than 36) who play in it.
mongo think system good.....mongo know philosophy baaaaaaaaaaad
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2007, 03:08:20 PM
also the the shotgun drives me crazy on running downs...particularly the first down play after westbrooks punt return...there was plenty of time for a run there and to tell the defense that it wasnt going to happen by going empty backfield shotgun formation was pathetic...maybe if you show possible run tatupu has to play closer to the line and cant cheat on the slant route....it just made no sense
I was thinking the exact same thing. Coming out in the shotgun after Westbrook's return made it painfully obvious that Andy had gone into full panic mode, thinking that he had to get into the end zone all on one play... which meant he might as well had benched Westbrook. We saw three plays that Andy called... and none of them involved the guy who got them into the red zone to begin with and oh, by the way happens to be the best player on the team. Why Andy continues to rely on the team's fringe players to win games is beyond me. Put the farging ball in Westbrook's hands and live and die that way.
exactly....its amazing...he wasnt even in the game on first down...andy felt like with one minute left in your season giving your best player a spot on the sidelines was a good idea
feely deserves equal blame for again throwing that slant that seattle was sitting on all farging day.....coming into the game seattle was going to take that away and force feely to go downfield which is not his strength...they saw him throw it a bunch of times against new england...everyone did...yet the eagles kept going back to the well time after time
that last possession would have been a great spot to feint a slant and throw a fade to the corner
Interesting take this week from Don Banks on the Eagle's QB 'controversy':
QuoteSo much for one quarterback controversy in Philadelphia: Feeley vs. injured starter Donovan McNabb. No one will be calling for Feeley to start again next week against the visiting Giants, no matter the status of McNabb's injuries.
Look for those fickle Eagles fans to instantly pivot and begin calling for rookie Kevin Kolb to start in place of McNabb.
IMHO:
Kolb - not ready yet, throwing him out there, particularly with Fat Farg calling the games and most likely having a rookie QB throw 35-40 times a game, would be throwing him to the wolves. He may ultimately be a better West Coast QB than Donovan, but right now he's learning.
Feely - OK backup if you have nobody better, terrible starter. >:(
McNabb - I'm not sure if his skills have degraded, or this year is a result of coming back from the knee, or F.F.'s 'play-calling'. All I know is,
if he is traded, I hope he goes to a team that
actually game-plans to his skills, and he pulls a "Cunningham on the Vikings" or "Drew Brees with N.O." style comeback. (only Donovan is young enough to put in 4 or 5 good years, maybe more)
Oliver says report was accurate
Fox Sports sideline reporter offended by McNabb's denial of comments about Eagles
By GEOFF MOSHER, The News Journal
Posted Tuesday, December 18, 2007
Donovan McNabb and Terrell Owens embraced Sunday on the field following the Eagles' 10-6 upset of Dallas at Texas Stadium. But while one fractured relationship is mending, another was ruptured.
Fox Sports sideline reporter Pam Oliver told The News Journal on Monday she views the Eagles quarterback differently after McNabb flatly denied the accuracy of her report during the network's broadcast of the NFC showdown.
"I just feel like our relationship is definitely broken," Oliver said in a phone interview. "It's not easy to be called a big, fat liar. You wake up to that, and it's unpleasant."
Oliver steadfastly defended her report in which she said her pregame conversation with McNabb led her to believe McNabb felt the organization would cut ties with him in the offseason.
In the sideline report, Oliver said:
"Donovan really seems to believe that his days in Philadelphia are numbered. When I spoke with him before the game, I got the impression that Donovan is a little hurt by what he sees as an organization distancing itself from him and an organization that's overly concerned about the negative fan reaction to him.
"But Donovan told me point blank, 'My knee is not an issue. The next place I go, I will win,' and also that he will keep a smile on his face for as long as he's in an Eagles uniform."
After the game, McNabb told reporters that Oliver had drawn her own conclusions.
"I didn't say that," McNabb said. "I don't feel that way. I've said I want to be here eight more, nine more years. If that's possible, we'll see."
Monday morning, Oliver said she was stunned to hear McNabb's defiant response. Not only did McNabb make those remarks, she said, but he sounded off without being pressed.
"I asked him one question, and there was this barrage [of responses]," she said.
An Eagles spokesman said Monday that McNabb was aware of Oliver's reaction, and declined further comment.
Oliver also said she intentionally withheld some of McNabb's more pointed remarks to protect him from saying something publicly he might later regret. Now, she sees the irony of the situation.
"My only professional regret is: Why on earth did I bend over backward to make it less impactful?" she said. "And then wake up to ... to someone throwing you under the bus like that."
"All I can tell you is I stand by it 100 percent," she added. "It's on-my-mother's-grave accurate. That's the bottom line."
Oliver said she was mentoring a young woman about the TV industry when she and the woman walked near McNabb while he threw warmup passes on the sideline before the game.
They had waited for the right signal from McNabb that they could have a conversation.
"She [the young woman] was literally on my hip as I talked to Donovan," Oliver said.
The chat lasted about five minutes, Oliver estimated, and she recalled asking just four questions. To ensure she kept eye contact and gave McNabb her undivided attention, Oliver said she didn't take notes until after the conversation ended.
"I like to keep eye contact to make sure I'm crystal clear on something that's said," Oliver said.
Former NFL wide receiver and current ESPN analyst Keyshawn Johnson once accused Oliver of fabricating a report that Johnson had yelled at Sean Payton, then a Cowboys assistant coach, during an October 2004 loss at Green Bay.
Oliver denied Johnson's accusation in a Dallas Morning News article in which she said, "I do not make stories up."
Oliver insisted that McNabb understood his comments were on the record and that their conversation was fair game -- like any other standard pregame dialogue between sideline reporters and NFL players.
She described McNabb's remarks as being "all volunteered comments."
"Don has a degree in communications [from Syracuse University]," she said. "He knows how TV works. He knows how the media works. You can't trip him up. All interviews I've ever done with him, you can't get him to say something he didn't want to say."
What Oliver said surprised her most is that she considered McNabb a trustworthy source and believed the two had developed a strong business relationship stemming from multiple interviews she conducted with the ninth-year player, dating to his rookie season.
Now, she feels betrayed to the point where she can't envision a scenario in which the two could talk openly again.
"I can't imagine reaching out to him or him reaching out to me [to talk] and it being an honest conversation," she said. "I felt like I had had an honest conversation -- and he called me a liar."
yawn.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 18, 2007, 08:20:07 AM
yawn.
yeah really....how many times is mcnabb going to bash the city the fans the media and now hes onto the team itself....just ask for a friggin trade already...hes such a queen
This whole situation is farging retarded. He shouldn't have said whatever he said because it's her job to blab about that shtein. She shouldn't have a job where she's required to blab about that shtein because it's an idiotic job to have. If he said it he shouldn't have said she made it up. She shouldn't be whining about it. This isn't news. People are idiots.
i have no doubt he said what he said to make her report the conclusion she came to, and then after the game he realized the shtein storm it would cause and flipped on those comments...
what i dont get is his need to talk about this at all...its almost a chronic condition that started with the draft booing and has never stopped...you can tell its a personal thing whe he says stuff like hes gonna be great wherever he goes...like all you idiots didnt fully appreciate the greatness that is donovan mcnabb...
he has to have his groin massaged or he flips out...hes also throwing andy under the bus big time with the way the blaming the team stuff sow....its one thing to kill the fans or media but andy has done nothing but protect him for nine years and now donovan is going to speak out on the team
#5 will be here as long as Andy is, plain in simple imo.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2007, 09:12:21 AM
what i dont get is his need to talk about this at all...its almost a chronic condition that started with the draft booing and has never stopped...you can tell its a personal thing whe he says stuff like hes gonna be great wherever he goes...like all you idiots didnt fully appreciate the greatness that is donovan mcnabb...
he has to have his groin massaged or he flips out...hes also throwing andy under the bus big time with the way the blaming the team stuff sow....its one thing to kill the fans or media but andy has done nothing but protect him for nine years and now donovan is going to speak out on the team
when did he throw andy under the bus? i would love for him to do that. esp if reid and the eagles have decided to move on next season i would want mcnabb to go on tv and tell it all.
Andy has protected McNabb the same way he protected his kids. All McNabb has needed during his career are consistant weapons and playmakers around him, just like any other quarterback. Reid never gave them to him (except once) and all he did was coddle McNabb.
I'm serious about the comparison of Reid the coach vs Reid the dad. His kids even said that they liked selling drugs because it made them feel powerful......probably because they were coddled and babied their whole lives by mommy and daddy. He put the weight of the franchise on McNabb's shoulders but never gave him the actual support that he needed. That'd be like if Bush sent his generals to invade Iraq but instead of giving them trained soldiers, he sent them over with a bunch of retarded apple pie kids from Burger King (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMSaJ1KkqQI).
Farg Reid. If McNabb isn't starting for the Eagles on opening day next year I hope he finally comes out and trashes Reid and the front office for the way they've treated him over the years. They may have supported him publicly but that's not where McNabb needs support. He's got enough of that from his family. He's needed help on the field from day one and the FO has repeatedly ignored it.
Pretty good analogy. I guess. For a retard.
Gotta stay with what you know.
i hate reid more than anyone but i think it would be completely bush league for mcnabb to trash him after he leaves...i think it would be small of him to do it now but doing it when youre in another city is pussified
say what you want about reids football philosophy as far as system over players but in terms of how hes treated mcnabb in defending him against the media and fan criticism he has been great to donovan...never once said a bad word about him has covered for him in every instance never once coming close to blaming him for anything....
and again regardless of whether we think that was the right way to treat him the fact is he did it and was extrememly loyal to donovan in doing do...for donovan to kill him in anyway would make him look really bad imo and would be just plain wrong
QuoteFarg Reid. If McNabb isn't starting for the Eagles on opening day next year I hope he finally comes out and trashes Reid and the front office for the way they've treated him over the years. They may have supported him publicly but that's not where McNabb needs support. He's got enough of that from his family. He's needed help on the field from day one and the FO has repeatedly ignored it.
lets not ignore the fact that Donovan might of liked the fact that the team was on his shoulders--or should i say feet. His name was constantly in the media and he was proclaimed as one of the best in the league because of his abilities to make plays. Im sure he preferred it that way and so did his ego.
If he comes out and bitches about the FO not supporting him, he looks like even more of an ass than he does now for constantly complaining...but who knows....maybe that communications degree was a farse
As someone with a communications degree, I can confirm that they are a farce.
I have a communications degree... so if that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about them, then I don't know what will.
QuoteAs someone with a communications degree, I can confirm that they are a farce
depends how far you take that degree. If you were the majority freshman who came into college with communications stamped as your major because you were clueless as to what you wanted--then yes--most likely its a farse.
you should of expanded that degree into broadcasting/journalism and became a film critic RJ
Quote from: reese125 on December 19, 2007, 09:01:54 AM
you should of expanded that degree into broadcasting/journalism and became a film critic RJ
No thanks. I enjoy making money.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 19, 2007, 09:03:28 AM
Quote from: reese125 on December 19, 2007, 09:01:54 AM
you should of expanded that degree into broadcasting/journalism and became a film critic RJ
No thanks. I enjoy making money.
how much is concretefield paying you?
Quote from: reese125 on December 19, 2007, 08:31:06 AM
QuoteFarg Reid. If McNabb isn't starting for the Eagles on opening day next year I hope he finally comes out and trashes Reid and the front office for the way they've treated him over the years. They may have supported him publicly but that's not where McNabb needs support. He's got enough of that from his family. He's needed help on the field from day one and the FO has repeatedly ignored it.
lets not ignore the fact that Donovan might of liked the fact that the team was on his shoulders--or should i say feet. His name was constantly in the media and he was proclaimed as one of the best in the league because of his abilities to make plays. Im sure he preferred it that way and so did his ego.
He should have wanted/liked having the team on his shoulders. Every good QB wants that. But no QB wants to be the one who has to do everything on his own. Do you think McNabb didn't want better recievers around him? His name was in the media and he was in the spotlight just as much when TO was here. Did he have to share the spotlight? Of course he did but I don't think that was really an issue for McNabb. He was still getting plenty of the spotlight himself.
Quote
If he comes out and bitches about the FO not supporting him, he looks like even more of an ass than he does now for constantly complaining...but who knows....maybe that communications degree was a farse
I just want him to come out and say what most of us already know/suspect. And that's that the Eagles FO doesn't truley value winning a SB and is content with putting together a team that will mostly be competetive enough to make the playoffs most years and if they happen to get to/win a SB then it will be icing on the cake. I want him to publicly say how cheap they are and vindictive they are when it comes to re-signing veteran players. And if he does all that, I personally won't think any less of him.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 19, 2007, 10:01:48 AM
I just want him to come out and say what most of us already know/suspect. And that's that the Eagles FO doesn't truley value winning a SB and is content with putting together a team that will mostly be competetive enough to make the playoffs most years and if they happen to get to/win a SB then it will be icing on the cake. I want him to publicly say how cheap they are and vindictive they are when it comes to re-signing veteran players. And if he does all that, I personally won't think any less of him.
If you're so convinced that this is the case then why do you need McNabb to confirm it for you?
I personally don't lend an ounce of credence to that nonsense. The Eagles "don't" want to win a Super Bowl? That's just plain stupid, Sassy.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 19, 2007, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 19, 2007, 09:08:05 AM
Quote from: reese125 on December 19, 2007, 09:01:54 AM
you should of became a film critic RJ
NO
Hahaha. My taste in movies kicks ass.
Yeah, I wouldnt say your taste is all that, for Ive read many of your reviews and likings of movies...but as far as "critiquing" itself..I give you some props.
QuoteI just want him to come out and say what most of us already know/suspect. And that's that the Eagles FO doesn't truley value winning a SB and is content with putting together a team that will mostly be competetive enough to make the playoffs most years and if they happen to get to/win a SB then it will be icing on the cake. I want him to publicly say how cheap they are and vindictive they are when it comes to re-signing veteran players. And if he does all that, I personally won't think any less of him.
you have a better shot of seeing Jesus water skiing with his 12 Apostles on the Delaware river than all that happening, but hey..its nice to hope
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 19, 2007, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 19, 2007, 10:01:48 AM
I just want him to come out and say what most of us already know/suspect. And that's that the Eagles FO doesn't truley value winning a SB and is content with putting together a team that will mostly be competetive enough to make the playoffs most years and if they happen to get to/win a SB then it will be icing on the cake. I want him to publicly say how cheap they are and vindictive they are when it comes to re-signing veteran players. And if he does all that, I personally won't think any less of him.
If you're so convinced that this is the case then why do you need McNabb to confirm it for you?
I personally don't lend an ounce of credence to that nonsense. The Eagles "don't" want to win a Super Bowl? That's just plain stupid, Sassy.
I don't need him to confirm it for me. But it'd be nice if he confirmed it for his critics and naysayers.
Also, show me where I said that the Eagles don't want to win a Super Bowl. But after all these years with the same FO I think it's safe to say that the Eagles simply aren't willing to do everything it takes year in and year out to make this team a legitimate SB contender.
I'd like for the front office to go out and get a truly decent set of recievers for him to throw to and just have that mother farger throw the ball to prove his point. Farg all this verbal communication shtein.
They're really not that far from it. At this point, they only need a top receiver to make this WR corps very good. Someone who pushes Curtis and Brown down to the 2nd and 3rd CB's that they should be facing and beating on a regular basis.
My only concern if we get a really good overall WR corps is that Andy will forget all about Westbrook again.
Sure Carson Palmers he's sucking it up this year, but it takes a true man and leader to take the blame for his teams offensive struggles-- to continue to gain the respect of his teammates and fans
"All I want to accomplish is a win," he said. "I'm not worried about anything other than that. Anytime you don't win a game and you play quarterback, there's obviously something you did (wrong). But I'm fine. Don't worry about me."
Palmer blames himself for the offense's inconsistency.
"There's a number of reasons why offenses struggle," he said. "The first reason I always point to is the quarterback. It's my job to make sure everybody's running the right route, everybody's blocking the right guy, and to get it to the right guy. It always needs to fall on the quarterback.
"I take all the blame for every struggle we've had because I play quarterback here, and I haven't played well enough to get us in winning situations and win games."
If McNabb said that, WIP would be ripping him apart for calling out his receivers and linemen in such a passive aggressive way.
Saw McNabb on Sports Center up here. Press conference about staying in Philly. He finally said something about the fans and the city that I actually felt was sincere.
"I love being here. I love the passion of the fans. I love playing for the fans. I just try to provide excitement and make big plays for them and hear the crowd roar. I've always loved being here and look forward to being here more."
I felt bad for him.
I hang around with hippys.