Seriously...has any Eagle team in recent history, even the 1998 team, ever been this mentally unprepared and executed so poorly? That includes the coaching staff.
1. The amount of penalties; I don't know the final tally but at one point they had 85 total yards of offense and 85 penalty yards. The last count I saw was 122 penalty yards.
2. Not giving Winston Justice some type of help. Early on I say let the guy have a shot to block the guy. I mean, he's a 2nd year player albeit inactive his rookie year. But the Colts have a rookie LT, Tony Ugoh, playing very well and hasn't gotten much help. But at some point they HAVE to help Justice. Why let the QB on a 80% knee take that bad of a beating? Remember when the Eagles pounded Aikman for 12 sacks when they went 1-15? Or the bodybag game? This is reminiscent.
3. Where was Tony Hunt? What'd he have, one carry? Why have Reno goddamn Mahe in there to try to pick up blitzes? That smurfy farg can't block his kids, but yet they have him trying to pick up blitzing LBs.
4. This is a beaut here; the timeout before they let Akers try the 53 yarder. Are you KIDDING me? They call a timeout to come out and kick it because the FG unit wasn't ready to go.
5. When McNabb actually had some time, and that means about .3 of a second, dropped passes.
This defense, much like in the Packers game and the taterskins game, played well enough to win. But the offense shtein the bed.
This is the most unprepared and unfocused game I have ever seen, and I've seen quite a few ballgames now. Jesus farg, are you kidding me with this horseshtein?
Way to let McNabb take a beating, Andy and Marty. Great job tonight fellas. Real bang up effort, farg faces.
Another great job heading into a bye week.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 11:26:21 PM
Seriously...has any Eagle team in recent history, even the 1998 team, ever been this mentally unprepared and executed so poorly? That includes the coaching staff.
The only game that comes to mind is opening day against the Bucs in the Linc. But this game was 100x worse because the Giants aren't defending superbowl champs.
I'd like to also point out Omar Gaither running OOB to avoid ELI MANNING after that pick.
What's Eli going to do to you OG, bark at you and piss on your leg? Have a set of BALLS, Hoyda.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 30, 2007, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 11:26:21 PM
Seriously...has any Eagle team in recent history, even the 1998 team, ever been this mentally unprepared and executed so poorly? That includes the coaching staff.
The only game that comes to mind is opening day against the Bucs in the Linc. But this game was 100x worse because the Giants aren't defending superbowl champs.
Andy and Marty were ass raped by Spagnuolo's defense. Great job tonight you stubborn fargheads. The run's working, the defense is stopping the Jints and the OL can't pass block...so what do they do?
Pass more.
They should have to walk home. And Andy will pull out the "I didn't have my team ready to go" speech.
farging jackass
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 11:29:55 PM
I'd like to also point out Omar Gaither running OOB to avoid ELI MANNING after that pick.
What's Eli going to do to you OG, bark at you and piss on your leg? Have a set of BALLS, Hoyda.
Yeah, that was pretty effin weak. The only thing worse would be ducking OOB to avoid a punter. Unless it's Rocca.
i still don't understand not giving justice help. thats like, football 101.
plus the lack of shorter routes run. if the d is getting pressure, and you can't block 1-1 (bc you give wj no help), and you qb is 80%, and your qb has been getting killed all day, and the RUNNING game is actually working...why do you keep on calling pass plays? and 2, why are all your pass plays have the wr's run about 8 yards out then make a cut? isn't this the same thing with pinky and thrash? i mean, we couldn't get them open so we started calling shorter routes and slants...we didn't even do that tonight. i just don't understand it. it's the most basic things.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 30, 2007, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 11:26:21 PM
Seriously...has any Eagle team in recent history, even the 1998 team, ever been this mentally unprepared and executed so poorly? That includes the coaching staff.
The only game that comes to mind is opening day against the Bucs in the Linc.
Last year vs Jacksonville
2004 at Pittsburgh
2001 vs Oakland, vs Washington and at San Francisco
I don't know, Ed...they were bad, but nothing this bad. Not 12 sacks bad. Not a yellow flag on every play bad.
McCauley and his crew actually could have thrown a false start on Antone Justice just about every play. Dude was atrocious. Stupid mental errors galore.
Worst game ever in the Reid era. For real.
Maybe they should move him back to right tackle
When a slightly above average (but definitely not franchise material) DE puts up 6 sacks against you, you got...
(http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/417/1369tp.jpg)
I Bet Umenyiora will be lucky to get 6 more sacks the whole rest of the season.
Or the inactive list. I liked him there better.
Final penalty tally: 15 for 132 yards.
1.8 yards per pass play.
4 fumbles.
62 yards lost on 12 sacks.
194 yards lost to penalties and sacks versus 190 total offensive yards.
Quote from: QB Phillies on September 30, 2007, 11:40:58 PM
Final penalty tally: 15 for 132 yards.
1.8 yards per pass play.
4 fumbles.
62 yards lost on 12 sacks.
194 yards lost to penalties and sacks versus 190 total offensive yards.
Impressive.
Embarrassing.
coaching staff aside, i wonder what we do this off season in regards to tra/william. curious what we do at wr and db too.
andy reid's gotta be stripped of playcalling duty, final say, head coach...something. all the penalites on top of this zesty game. unbelieveable. funny thing is, i think our d played pretty well, especially considering we had no dawk/lito.
The D was good...very good.
Obviously its too early to give up on Justice, but they better be ready to put Herremans at LT and MJG at LG.
The defense gave up 10 points. That's enough to wiona game.
the coachiing - here's a news flash - lost this game because they are stupidstubbornstupidhorribleinthegame bad.
farging coaches.
This is a low point for the Eagles. No, not the game. It's the fact that they have lost the attention of the town to the Philadelphia Phillies. The farging Phillies! The farging team that has won one championship in 120 years of baseball. The team with a douchenoozle for a manager, and old senial fart for a gm, and an ownership group that merely cares about making a profit. That farging team. It's a sad, sad day. Sad.
Performing this abortion of all abortions tonight, hours after the Phillies won the NL East, heading into the bye week where the Phillies will complete their first round series, the Eagles will be the farging B option on peoples collectively retarded minds.
Congratulations, Andy. You fat Mormon farg who should've worn a condom instead of reproducing that screwup called Britt, you are now lower than the Phillies.
lol
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 11:46:51 PM
This is a low point for the Eagles. No, not the game. It's the fact that they have lost the attention of the town to the Philadelphia Phillies. The farging Phillies! The farging team that has won one championship in 120 years of baseball. The team with a douchenoozle for a manager, and old senial fart for a gm, and an ownership group that merely cares about making a profit. That farging team. It's a sad, sad day. Sad.
Performing this abortion of all abortions tonight, hours after the Phillies won the NL East, heading into the bye week where the Phillies will complete their first round series, the Eagles will be the farging B option on peoples collectively retarded minds.
Congratulations, Andy. You fat Mormon farg who should've worn a condom instead of reproducing that screwup called Britt, you are now lower than the Phillies.
Impressive rant, Todd.
Will you be publishing that?
No, but I am working on a puff piece for the Metro about how great Eagles fans have been and how they have supported the team through thick and thin. It's about the 3000th time the article has been written, so I'll endlessly search for an original angle on this one.
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 11:53:10 PM
No, but I am working on a puff piece for the Metro about how great Eagles fans have been and how they have supported the team through thick and thin. It's about the 3000th time the article has been written, so I'll endlessly search for an original angle on this one.
Tough assignment after this junk of a game.
Can I be quoted?
If my editor let's me interview a normal fan, then yea, I'll use some you iceholes. But I did Ray Didinger last week (firm handshake, nice guy) and have to do Tom Brookshier pretty soon. I'm special, I know.
Quote from: MDS on October 01, 2007, 12:03:50 AM
If my editor let's me interview a normal fan, then yea, I'll use some you iceholes. But I did Ray Didinger last week (firm handshake, nice guy) and have to do Tom Brookshier pretty soon. I'm special, I know.
Diddy did a good job of bashing the coaching staff after the game tonight.
So did the Eagles decide to get some consulting done from Kotite or something?
This team's coaching staff needs an enema!
Quote from: MDS on October 01, 2007, 12:03:50 AM
If my editor let's me interview a normal fan, then yea, I'll use some you iceholes. But I did Ray Didinger last week (firm handshake, nice guy) and have to do Tom Brookshier pretty soon. I'm special, I know.
Did he kiss you afterwards?
No, I just give him a rug and tug. I did want to stay and ask him some other stuff, but my mind was on the Phillies, so I rushed to some bar on the Parkway to see the end of the game.
YOu should have asked him to watch film with him one day at NFLFilms
i know madden was calling the game but even he called out the fact they didnt provide justice any help well into the 4rth qrt...and that was the only play where i saw them do it.
spagnolia has done a rather horrible job so far in ny but they made him look like a genius last night. he knew exactly how stupid our coaching staff is.
i also loved the play where they didnt block strahan and let him take a clear shot on mcnabb. seriously when mcnabb gets hurt in a week or 2 everyone is going to stay he is soo weak but i doubt many QBs can take a beating like that over and over.
ive never ever seen such a arrogant and stubborn coach in my life. granted i havent been watching as long as you guys (im 24) but this is just horrible. its basic football. its 101. i was shocked to see how well buck was running so of course we went away from it. i think reid thinks its against the rules to run 2 times in a row.
1-3 while the cowboys are 4-0. lost to the giants and taterskins. just horrible. and i have to be at work today with all the giants fans laughing at me. i wanna roundhouse kick them in the face.
The best part was when Michaels said something like, "Maybe a few years down the line, Winston Justice will be ready to block Umeniyora, but he's certainly not ready now."
I put the entire blame on abandoning the run game too early, as usual. Buckhalter's running all over the Giants, so the Eagles pass on 3 straight downs and stall... SMART. I remember a drive quite some time ago (obviously) when Rodney Hampton carried the ball all the way down the field and scored a TD on the Eagles. Buckhalter could have done that, but instead Reid had to go back to the pass.
I did notice Mohrninweg calling plays again at the end of the game. Not that it matters now, but why in hell did Reid ever take back playcalling? Oh yeah.. he's a pompous fat piece of shtein.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 01, 2007, 07:38:12 AM
The best part was when Michaels said something like, "Maybe a few years down the line, Winston Justice will be ready to block Umeniyora, but he's certainly not ready now."
I put the entire blame on abandoning the run game too early, as usual. Buckhalter's running all over the Giants, so the Eagles pass on 3 straight downs and stall... SMART. I remember a drive quite some time ago (obviously) when Rodney Hampton carried the ball all the way down the field and scored a TD on the Eagles. Buckhalter could have done that, but instead Reid had to go back to the pass.
I did notice Mohrninweg calling plays again at the end of the game. Not that it matters now, but why in hell did Reid ever take back playcalling? Oh yeah.. he's a pompous fat piece of shtein.
im starting to wonder if he ever really gave it up. i think he gave mohrninweg some credit or whatever but i think having garcia in forced him to chance just a lil bit and he credited that chance to his coodinator.
he seems to think that mcnabb is the mcnabb of 2004 with the WRs of 2004.
it still makes me sick that the pats gave up a 4rth round pick for Moss. and we have a team that loves to pass but hates to go out and get WRs.
On Justice:
Quote"He will learn from it, that's what he will do," said head coach Andy Reid. "You're not going to win a lot of football games in the National Football League playing the way we played. ... It wasn't one guy. It starts with me, putting guys in the right protection (schemes) and giving them some help. I didn't do a very good job of that."
What is this? Proving a lesson?
Step down Andy. Its not irony that your mind is somewhere else, its fact. Swallow your pride and face it because you cant handle home and here
its not really that shocking really. justice is his draft pick and im sure just like with pinkston and mitchell he wants to hold on to his picks forever. im not giving on justice completely but any other coach would have helped him out but reid loves this tactic of trying to leave the player out there and to learn while the game is going on.
he does this with mcnabb too....hes hurt and not healthy so they keep passing. justice cant block so he doesnt offer him any help.
Quotereid loves this tactic of trying to leave the player out there and to learn while the game is going on.
Yeah, well..this is not basketball. Hes not Phil Jackson of the Bulls and never will be. He won championships
If I see Reid on an infomercial laying on his belly doing yoga, then I'll be convinced the Eagles can turn it around.
Until then, get the boy some help
Well... it's really not that big a deal when you think about it.
I mean... Justice was making his first NFL start against one of the league's better pass rushers and he was only protecting McNabb's blind side. And we all know that McNabb is pretty much invulnerable so it's no big deal if he gets hit repeatedly from behind. Besides, the Eagles only passed like 8 times in the game so it's not as if Osi would have that many opportunities to get to McNabb.
This was actually the PERFECT scenario to see if Justice had what it took to take on a top pass rusher 1 on 1.
I'm actually more sick of Andy Reid's post-game "I have to do a better job" or "I have to put the players in a better position" bullshtein than anything else in Philadelphia sports by far.
Go to hell, Andy. For Mormons, that means only one wife, I think.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 01, 2007, 08:23:45 AM
I'm actually more sick of Andy Reid's post-game "I have to do a better job" or "I have to put the players in a better position" bullshtein than anything else in Philadelphia sports by far.
You ain't lying. How many times do we have to hear that generic bullshtein?
Game after farging game, he's doing dumb shtein that cripples this team's chances of winning.
you know damn well the reporters are cringing and a split second away from throwing their tape recorders at his farging face when he says that garbage
His tired spiel wouldn't be so bad if he meant it. But, since little ever changes, he clearly doesn't give a shtein.
Christ, McNabb is the franchise player. You can't just sit back and watch him get murdered for 4 quarters.
1) Stop it with blaming Andy for calling plays - he wasn't even holding a chart last night. Marty ball is a complete failure. After his tenure in Detroit, are we really surprised? Dare we compare him to Dana Bible?
2) WTF, I thought this was the west coast offense, not the run and shoot - what happened to 3 and 5 step drop, plant and throw? You know, timing routes?
3) Donny boy, how many times do you have to get chased down from behind before you realize that you don't have the speed you used to have. Check down or throw it away. After the 6th or 7th sack the light should have gone on that you weren't going to "make something happen".
4) I've said it before - if Andy takes personal responsibility for every loss, when is he held accountable? What are the consequences?
5) Westbrook is injury prone. It may not be a physical "he's got a weak knee joint" type of injury prone, but I think that a player's style of play can stress their body in ways that the body can't handle it.
At this point, I don't see them winning another division game. Between losses against the teams and a rough 50% against the mediocre/bad teams left on the schedule, this season is looking like a 5-11 bust. Bad enough to be embarrassing, but too good to get a top 5 pick. Typical. Now would be a good time for a coaching transition.
Quote from: Cerevant on October 01, 2007, 09:12:33 AM
but too good to get a top 5 pick
That'll almost be a good thing. Them blowing that top five pick on someone would anger me well after Reid and Co. were ushered out. I could see them passing on that can't miss WR/RB/LB to take some lower rated tackle who's their kind of guy.
Blow this farging thing up this bye week.
We're blaming Reid because he's the head coach, and this awful playcalling has been around for a long time, much longer then Marty Ball.
I find it interesting that Ray Didinger on CSN last night said that he feels it is valid to question whether the off the field problems are catching up to Reid.
Quote from: bowzer on October 01, 2007, 10:42:45 AM
We're blaming Reid because he's the head coach, and this awful playcalling has been around for a long time, much longer then Marty Ball.
I agree with you on this, but there are still those who are saying that play calling should be given over to Marty. This has already been done, and it doesn't help - so get over it.
Play calling should be given to an entirely new set of coaches this off season, though I'm pretty happy with Jim Johnson's defense despite the injuries this season.
Launch AR into the sun if the technology is sufficient to create enough thrust. Maybe they can win in-spite of him? This team should not have lost last night, injuries or not. farging horrilble. One of the worst ever. God I farging hate the gap even more. :fire :=)
man i was at the game last night and i have to tell you i couldnt even disagree with the GINTS fans screaming Eagles suck! The D has played well the 1st 4 weeks of the season and this was supposed to be the question marks heading into the season. But how long can you leave your D out to play without them giving up plays. If the O doesnt straighten out this will be an excruciating season for fans and may spell the end of Reid/McNabb.
Pay Bill Cowher whatever he wants to come back, we need a coach with some passion and fire for this game!
the clock management galls me to the point of being bad for my health
a timeout so you can get the FG squad on the field in pro football? oh farg it makes me want to kill
Quote from: Diomedes on October 01, 2007, 08:08:37 PM
_________________________________ in pro football? oh farg it makes me want to kill
So many possibilities! This team has made alot of mistakes that a highschool football coach wouldn't let his kids get away with. There's a total lack of discipline around the team and the game plan. It's a shame to see something that was once pretty good have to deteriorate into this fiasco...
Quote from: Cerevant on October 01, 2007, 09:12:33 AM
1) Stop it with blaming Andy for calling plays - he wasn't even holding a chart last night.
Yes, he was.
That wasn't a chart, it was a take-out menu.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 01, 2007, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on October 01, 2007, 09:12:33 AM
1) Stop it with blaming Andy for calling plays - he wasn't even holding a chart last night.
Yes, he was.
He was holding and calling on the first drive back up the DVR and watch it. I swear to God I sent my boy to bed after I saw that, I knew it was going to be a loooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng night.
And farg Reid, the reporters should press him the way he would press a drive thru window at McD's on why he didn't give Justice support. A-hole.
at least TKO was ready to fight someone.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on October 01, 2007, 10:04:02 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 01, 2007, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on October 01, 2007, 09:12:33 AM
1) Stop it with blaming Andy for calling plays - he wasn't even holding a chart last night.
Yes, he was.
He was holding and calling on the first drive back up the DVR and watch it.
I must have missed it early on, but I was specifically watching for it in the second half and there were a number of times when they focused on him while the offense was on the field, and he just stood there with the deer in the headlights look (kinda like Cowher,
without the chin with extra chins). Maybe that was the "halftime adjustment".
Quote from: Cerevant on October 02, 2007, 08:28:12 AM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on October 01, 2007, 10:04:02 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 01, 2007, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on October 01, 2007, 09:12:33 AM
1) Stop it with blaming Andy for calling plays - he wasn't even holding a chart last night.
Yes, he was.
He was holding and calling on the first drive back up the DVR and watch it.
I must have missed it early on, but I was specifically watching for it in the second half and there were a number of times when they focused on him while the offense was on the field, and he just stood there with the deer in the headlights look (kinda like Cowher, without the chin with extra chins). Maybe that was the "halftime adjustment".
Why the f does he wear a heavy ass jacket, it couldn't of been that cold, he had sweat, well maybe it was tears streaming down his face. maybe thats how he sweats off the pounds, psssssst it ain't workin.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on October 02, 2007, 09:29:07 PM
[Why the f does he wear a heavy ass jacket, it couldn't of been that cold, he had sweat, well maybe it was tears streaming down his face. maybe thats how he sweats off the pounds, psssssst it ain't workin.
He's gotten into his kid's shtein, he doesn't want the cameras to see the needle tracks.
Sunday new flash, Andy Ried is a stubborn idiot.
I'd have run Cbuck at least 25 times. Off tackle 20 times.
How can you call a game like that in the NFL and still have a head coaching job?