http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html
Quote(CNN) -- The Virginia Tech police chief said at least 20 people were killed in twin shootings on the Blacksburg campus Monday morning.
"Some victims were shot in a classroom," Chief Wendell Flinchum said, adding that the gunman was dead.
"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said university President Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."
The attacks mark the worst school shooting incident since 1999 when Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.
A hospital spokeswoman told The Associated Press that 17 Virginia Tech students were being treated for gunshot wounds and other injuries.
Sharon Honaker at the Carilion New River Valley Medical Center told CNN that four patients had been transported there, one in critical condition.
One person was killed and others were wounded at multiple locations inside a dormitory about 7:15 a.m., Flinchum said. Two hours later, another shooting at Norris Hall, an engineering building, resulted in multiple casualties, the university reported. (Watch police, ambulances hustle to the scene Video)
The first reported shooting occurred at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a co-ed dormitory that houses 895 students. The dormitory, one of the largest residence halls on the 2,600-acre campus, is located near the drill field and stadium.
Amie Steele, editor-in-chief of the campus newspaper, said one of her reporters at the dormitory reported "mass chaos."
The reporter said there were "lots of students running around, going crazy, and the police officers were trying to settle everyone down and keep everything under control," according to Steele.
Kristyn Heiser said she was in class about 9:30 a.m. when she and her classmates saw about six gun-wielding police officers run by a window.
"We were like, 'What's going on?' Because this definitely is a quaint town where stuff doesn't really happen. It's pretty boring here," said Heiser during a phone interview as she sat on her classroom floor.
Student Matt Waldron said he did not hear the gunshots because he was listening to music, but he heard police sirens and saw officers hiding behind trees with their guns drawn.
"They told us to get out of there so we ran across the drill field as quick as we could," he said.
Waldron described the scene on campus as "mayhem." (Watch a student's recording of police responding to loud bangs Video)
"It was kind of scary," he said. "These two kids I guess had panicked and jumped out of the top story window and the one kid broke his ankle and the other girl was not in good shape just lying on the ground."
Madison Van Duyne said she and her classmates in a media writing class were on "lockdown" in their classrooms. They were huddled in the middle of the classroom, writing stories about the shootings and posting them online.
The university is updating its 26,000 students through e-mails, and an Internet webcam is broadcasting live pictures of the campus.
The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported.
After the Monday shootings, students were instructed to stay indoors and away from windows, police at the university said.
"A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows," read a warning from the university.
"Virginia Tech has canceled all classes. Those on campus are asked to remain where they are, lock their doors and stay away from windows. Persons off campus are asked not to come to campus," a statement on the university Web site said.
Last update I saw/heard had 22 dead, 28 injured, and the lone gunman is one of the dead. Not sure if it was by his gun or the cops.
Yeah. I work in Fredericksburg, and while VT isn't real close, people down here are freaking out. This was also a shooting on the Tech campus earlier this year, right?
Why can't this shtein happen at Ohio State? Or Temple?
There's another Vick brother?
Quote from: PPinDC on April 16, 2007, 12:55:17 PM
Yeah. I work in Fredericksburg, and while VT isn't real close, people down here are freaking out. This was also a shooting on the Tech campus earlier this year, right?
Basically every student from Fairfax county goes to either VT, JMU or UVA so I can understand why people are freaking out. Their kids and/or their kids' friends are at VT...
My buddy Tom went to Va. Tech. He said it's about as boring a place as there is on Earth.
Not today, apparently.
Quote from: PPinDC on April 16, 2007, 12:55:17 PM
Yeah. I work in Fredericksburg, and while VT isn't real close, people down here are freaking out. This was also a shooting on the Tech campus earlier this year, right?
It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of a shooting.
In August 2006, the opening day of classes was canceled and the campus closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy involved in the manhunt was killed on a trail just off campus.
The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 16, 2007, 12:56:42 PM
Basically every student from Fairfax county goes to either VT, JMU or UVA so I can understand why people are freaking out. Their kids and/or their kids' friends are at VT...
So here's hoping at least one DTC member is among the dead?
Quote from: PPinDC on April 16, 2007, 01:08:57 PM
So here's hoping at least one DTC member is among the dead the gunman?
Quote"It was kind of scary," he said. "These two kids I guess had panicked and jumped out of the top story window and the one kid broke his ankle and the other girl was not in good shape just lying on the ground."
What retards, why not just hide in a closet or find the fire exit.
link (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3045574)
"At least 25" dead.
I have to admit that I laughed pretty hard when I read about the kids jumping out of their windows. Gives new meaning to the 'fight or flight' instinct.
Updated to 'at least 29' people
Damn, that beats the Luby's killing in Killeen Texas back in 1991 as the deadliest mass shooting in US history. I remember doing a current event story on that when I was in 7th grade when living in Kansas. And then we moved to Killeen in 1993. Every Friday during football season that is where we had our pregame team meal. Somewhat weird eating in there knowing some doosh drove his truck through a plate glass window and then started executing folks.
They've been showing a lot of videos taken on ABC. Who the hell has the mind to take out your cell phone and record video while somebody is shooting some people?
CNN reports 32 dead now...
This thread is clearly losing steam...
Instead of the cafeteria, these 30+ students TONIGHT WILL DINE IN HELL!
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i'll take a window seat
Quote from: Dillen on April 16, 2007, 04:03:59 PM
They've been showing a lot of videos taken on ABC. Who the hell has the mind to take out your cell phone and record video while somebody is shooting some people?
dude looked like he was hiding--
to answer your question--the same people that take their cameras out while the north tower is imploding 5 feet away from them
CNN was saying earlier that many of the students have been posting messages on their myspace/facebook accounts. Yeah, makes total sense......someone starts capping people to your left and right so the first thing that comes to mind is to log onto the internets. Why couldn't these asshats be the ones who got blasted?
I think they were posting messages to confirm they were alive. Some news sites requested people to.
Crap. I was hoping you were there.
If I was a student at VT when this happened, I would have started a thread on CF entitled "Has anyone been shot on a college campus" lately?
ha!
Anyone been to a good masacre lately?
pointing and laughing? most of them were probably skin fans
Sure, why not?
well, i already had
Good initiative.
luckily you couldn't hear it during my cell phone footage on CNN
Quote from: rjs246 on April 16, 2007, 01:24:56 PM
I have to admit that I laughed pretty hard when I read about the kids jumping out of their windows. Gives new meaning to the 'fight or flight' instinct.
:-D :-D :-D
I'll give you props on that since it seems no one else will.
The fire alarm went off at my building last night and people were freaking out because they thought a crazy guy was gonna kill everyone. I blame igy.
You'd think that thousands of the most important, faultless people in the world were slain yesterday given the orgy of overblown sob story coverage this is getting.
Americans need to get over themselves. farging sad story, but hardly global in scale as CNN.com and their ilk would have you believe. It's good for ad rates I suppose. Yay capitalism!
of course the media will overblow this to no end...thats how they do...but that comes later on...for now this IS a global story and a monumental domestic story
its the biggest mass murder shooting in the HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY...the biggest of anything is gonna be a huge...then add in mass murder and you have a monster
we arent talking about the imus thing here
Quote from: Diomedes on April 17, 2007, 08:31:21 AM
You'd think that thousands of the most important, faultless people in the world were slain yesterday given the orgy of overblown sob story coverage this is getting.
Americans need to get over themselves. farging sad story, but hardly global in scale as CNN.com and their ilk would have you believe. It's good for ad rates I suppose. Yay capitalism!
That's exactly the point I made repeatedly on the other Eagles board yesterday and I was farging blasted for it.
:-D
How can you, or anyone, think that the largest killing spree in the country's history isn't news?
Supposedly this is the Shooter (http://vt.facebook.com/photos.php?id=6202368&l=d1b29)
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Quote from: rjs246 on April 17, 2007, 09:01:05 AM
How can you, or anyone, think that the largest killing spree in the country's history isn't news?
Where did I say I didn't think it was news?
Quote from: rjs246 on April 17, 2007, 09:01:05 AM
How can you, or anyone, think that the largest killing spree in the country's history isn't news?
Oh, it's news. But 30 people being slaughtered happens daily in the world, and gets scant coverage. These thirty people getting slaughtered has the media and the world hanging on every stupid revelation..the scale of treatment is out of whack.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 09:06:39 AM
Where did I say I didn't think it was news?
Don't play the semantics game with me, PG. Downplaying the significance of this incident is idiotic.
Your attempts at cynicism don't ring true here.
What kind of bugged me yesterday was that while its really tragic and horrible and sad....Brian Williams on NBC news last night said that "Everyone will remember where they were when the shootings at Virginia Tech happened."
Huh? I will NEVER forget where I was or what I was doing when the planes hit the WTC, just as my parents won't forget where they were and what they were doing when JFK was shot.
But like I don't remember where I was when Colombine happened...I won't remember what I was doing yesterday either.
Insensitive or right on?
"Downplaying the significance..."
What IS the significance? Is it more important than the 30 people who get slaughtered every day in Sudan? In Iraq? Etc? Do you dispute that the coverage disparity implies that these murders are more significant than those? Do you really accept that they are?
My point: the significance of this story is being way, way overblown (like most things that happen to "us" instead of "them").
What kind of bugged me yesterday was that while its really tragic and horrible and sad....Brian Williams on NBC news last night said that "Everyone will remember where they were when the shootings at Virginia Tech happened."
Huh? I will NEVER forget where I was or what I was doing when the planes hit the WTC, just as my parents won't forget where they were and what they were doing when JFK was shot.
But like I don't remember where I was when Colombine happened...I won't remember what I was doing yesterday either.
Insensitive or right on?
definitely not insensitive...but that will change person by person...i personally will never forget where i was...but VT is essentially a local school for where i live...i work with and know lots of people who went there knew someone who went there or knows someone who is there...that said i also remember specifically where i was for columbine
this is different than columbine tho...columbine wasnt the biggest mass killing in the country much less more than double the biggest ever
Is it more important than the 30 people who get slaughtered every day in Sudan?
i think youre talking about the lives lost vs how big a story it is
is an american life worth more than a sudanese life of course not...is something that has never happened before a bigger story than something that happens every day...yes by a mile
these people certainly dont think its a big deal....
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2007, 09:23:31 AM
i think youre talking about the lives lost vs how big a story it is
Exactly. The significance of this story is that America isn't in the middle of a genocidal civil war. Relatively speaking, we live in a peaceful society where young people can get educated without fearing for their lives on a daily basis. It's news. And it's significant because it's happening in a stable society.
Neither of you are actually this stupid.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 17, 2007, 09:11:09 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 09:06:39 AM
Where did I say I didn't think it was news?
Don't play the semantics game with me, PG. Downplaying the significance of this incident is idiotic.
Your attempts at cynicism don't ring true here.
It's not the least bit significant to me.
It doesn't affect my life in any way, shape or form, rjs and it doesn't affect your life either.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2007, 09:25:52 AM
these people certainly dont think its a big deal....
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/
Too bad those idiots weren't taken out too. They're scum, plain and simple.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2007, 09:23:31 AM...is something that has never happened before a bigger story than something that happens every day...yes by a mile
I see your point: Significance and "big story" are not the same. 30 Sudanese being slaughtered doesn't sell as many ads, so it's not a Big Story. 30 Americans being shot to death, now that's good copy!
And while this is the highest body count "in United States history," it's hardly a great shock. We have plenty more than Columbine to remind us that these things do happen here. America is rightly known for this kind of crap. Some guy will eventually top this crackpot and then we'll go through the same crap again, and everyone will act like it's the greatest tragedy ever...
I dissent.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 17, 2007, 09:15:47 AM
What kind of bugged me yesterday was that while its really tragic and horrible and sad....Brian Williams on NBC news last night said that "Everyone will remember where they were when the shootings at Virginia Tech happened."
Huh? I will NEVER forget where I was or what I was doing when the planes hit the WTC, just as my parents won't forget where they were and what they were doing when JFK was shot.
But like I don't remember where I was when Colombine happened...I won't remember what I was doing yesterday either.
Insensitive or right on?
Hysterical hyperbole from a network news anchor? Shocking.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 09:29:23 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 17, 2007, 09:11:09 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 09:06:39 AM
Where did I say I didn't think it was news?
Don't play the semantics game with me, PG. Downplaying the significance of this incident is idiotic.
Your attempts at cynicism don't ring true here.
It's not the least bit significant to me.
It doesn't affect my life in any way, shape or form, rjs and it doesn't affect your life either.
You have children. Wait a couple of years and you'll be singing a different tune.
any blind moron trying to post an intelligent remark here of how this isnt big news, shows not only your lack of compassion, but ignorance to the utmost
when your kids go away to college--a safe, open college--and somebody can just come on in and open fire on 30+ people you might just say its big news.
This shtein doesnt happen every day DIO. Yeah it might happen in your Iraqi war torn, capitalistic head--but it doesnt happen here in the US on a school campus every day guy. They dont cover the dead over in pointless Iraq because that shtein happens every day---
Rome--did 911 affect your life at all? Cmon kid--stop it
Anyone comparing what happened yesterday to what happened on 9/11 should be castrated and his balls should be fed to the nearest mongrel.
look at the point genius not the comparison
you can not give a shtein about this AND it can be a big story
you can say it doesnt affect you AND it can be a tragic sad horrifying event
the news media can over report and try to whore out the story AND it can still be a defining even in our countries history
not everything is an either/or scenario...it can go both ways
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2007, 09:23:31 AM
What kind of bugged me yesterday was that while its really tragic and horrible and sad....Brian Williams on NBC news last night said that "Everyone will remember where they were when the shootings at Virginia Tech happened."
Huh? I will NEVER forget where I was or what I was doing when the planes hit the WTC, just as my parents won't forget where they were and what they were doing when JFK was shot.
But like I don't remember where I was when Colombine happened...I won't remember what I was doing yesterday either.
Insensitive or right on?
definitely not insensitive...but that will change person by person...i personally will never forget where i was...but VT is essentially a local school for where i live...i work with and know lots of people who went there knew someone who went there or knows someone who is there...that said i also remember specifically where i was for columbine
this is different than columbine tho...columbine wasnt the biggest mass killing in the country much less more than double the biggest ever
Good point. I wasn't thinking of the locals or whatnot. I mean, while 9/11 affected every single one of us profoundly, those who lived/worked in NYC or DC or for the airlines, etc. at the time were affected differently than the rest of us.
Quote from: reese125 on April 17, 2007, 09:34:44 AMThis shtein doesnt happen every day DIO...They dont cover the dead over in pointless Iraq because that shtein happens every day---
Since when is gun violence in schools unheard of in the United States?. It doesn't happen every day? Okay, not every day...just every couple months. It doesn't happen on this scale every day...just every few years. Awful story, and by cynical standards of what sells, what keeps viewers, it's a "big" story. But I'm not buying into the Global/National tragedy angle.
They don't cover the deaths in Iraq because those deaths aren't valued. People don't care. They don't want to know. It doesn't sell.
With these kids, it sells. Parents everywhere can get all weepy and terrified for their kids, and the ad rates go up, and everyone gets to feel something and make some coin.
It's a sham.
Goddamned sad story, but I'm with
Rome on this. It affects my life only because I'm being flooded with media coverage and social pressure to act like it's some kind of huge tragedy. It's a horrible crime, and that's it.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to start a campaign for the whole world to put their flags at half mast....
Quote from: rjs246 on April 17, 2007, 09:33:55 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 09:29:23 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 17, 2007, 09:11:09 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 09:06:39 AM
Where did I say I didn't think it was news?
Don't play the semantics game with me, PG. Downplaying the significance of this incident is idiotic.
Your attempts at cynicism don't ring true here.
It's not the least bit significant to me.
It doesn't affect my life in any way, shape or form, rjs and it doesn't affect your life either.
You have children. Wait a couple of years and you'll be singing a different tune.
If something like this happened at my daughter's school, then I would agree with you. I'd be freaking out for sure.
But it didn't so I'm not. If that makes me a heartless bastich then so be it. Judging from the comments I've seen over the years in this forum, I'm far from alone in that regard.
;)
Anyone trying to downplay what happened yesterday by saying it wasnt 911 should be castrated and his balls should be fed to the nearest mongrel.
the biggest mass killing in America, at a college university, and people are complaining about the media coverage...here's a thought, watch a DVD.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2007, 09:41:23 AM
you can say it doesnt affect you AND it can be a tragic sad horrifying event
No one has said this isn't an awful story.
Quote from: SunMo on April 17, 2007, 09:44:53 AM
the biggest mass killing in America, at a college university, and people are complaining about the media coverage...here's a thought, watch a DVD.
I watched the Sabres/Islanders last night. That was more excruciating than the non-stop news blubbering.
Good point. I wasn't thinking of the locals or whatnot. I mean, while 9/11 affected every single one of us profoundly, those who lived/worked in NYC or DC or for the airlines, etc. at the time were affected differently than the rest of us
no different than any tragic story
romey dosnt seem to care all to much about yesterday yet he has a screen name in rememberance of a football player who died in a car accident
the biggest mass killing in America and some people are worried CNN, WNBC, and the newspapers are going to make some money---yeah makes sense
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2007, 09:47:41 AM
Good point. I wasn't thinking of the locals or whatnot. I mean, while 9/11 affected every single one of us profoundly, those who lived/worked in NYC or DC or for the airlines, etc. at the time were affected differently than the rest of us
no different than any tragic story
romey dosnt seem to care all to much about yesterday yet he has a screen name in rememberance of a football player who died in a car accident
ha
I never said it wasn't shocking, sad or horrible. I merely suggested that a little perspective is in order considering this kind of thing (and much worse) happens every day around the world.
Quote from: reese125 on April 17, 2007, 09:49:12 AM
the biggest mass killing in America and some people are worried CNN, WNBC, and the newspapers are going to make some money---yeah makes sense
Show some respect, reese. After all 30+ people died yesterday. This is no time to be discussing peripheral issues. We should all be GRIEVING at a time like this!
Idiot.
thank god ESPN.com has a front page feature and link to this sports related story.
"I never said it wasn't shocking, sad or horrible. I merely suggested that a little perspective is in order considering this kind of thing (and much worse) happens every day around the world."
just keep back pedaling with Dio's words Rome-- because again for your ignorant mind--it doesnt happen every day on a college campus anywhere around the world--try again
your beating a dead horse and your point is not well taken--peace
damn the news for covering this major story!
Quote from: reese125 on April 17, 2007, 10:02:46 AM
"I never said it wasn't shocking, sad or horrible. I merely suggested that a little perspective is in order considering this kind of thing (and much worse) happens every day around the world."
just keep back pedaling with Dio's words Rome-- because again for your ignorant mind--it doesnt happen every day on a college campus anywhere around the world--try again
your beating a dead horse and your point is not well taken--peace
:-D
You have the cognitive ability of a dust mite. Go away, dipshtein.
oh--whats even funnier about all this crackhead---you started this thread--hahhaa
Cho Seung-hui was identified by law enforcement authorities as the shooter in the Virginia Tech massacre.
According to Virginia Tech, Cho was an undergraduate student in his senior year as an English major. He was a South Korean student and a resident alien in the United States, and had a permanent address listed in Centreville, Virginia.
ABC News reports Cho left a "disturbing note" before killing two people in a dorm room, returning to his own room to re-arm and entering a classroom building on the other side of campus to continue his rampage.[4] Cho's identity has been confirmed with a positive fingerprint match on the guns used in the rampage and with immigration materials.
i found this on another board from a VT student...
"As a Virginia Tech student who was on campus during the shootings - I have just one thing to add to this thread.
Last semester I took a class in playwriting. There was an Asian kid who I've had two classes with. He never said -one- word to anyone, even the Proffesor.
A play he wrote went thussly: A kid was fed up with his life and decided to kill many of his fellow students.
I'm currently looking for my copy of the play, but I will not be surprised if this turns out to be the guy."
You're focusing on me instead of the tragedy again, reese. You're not showing the proper amount of deference or respect for the dead.
Shame on you.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2007, 10:25:45 AM"I'm currently looking for my copy of the play..."
put it on eBay?
(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting.victims/clark.ap.jpg)
Ryan Clark, 22, a senior at Virginia Tech, of Martinez, Georgia, majored in biology and English, and carried a 4.0 grade-point average, according to the Columbia County, Georgia, coroner. Clark, a resident assistant, was one of the two victims of the 7:15 a.m. dormitory shooting.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting.victims/granata.vt.jpg)
Kevin Granata, age unknown, was one of the top five biomechanics researchers in the country working on movement dynamics in cerebral palsy, the head of Engineering Science and Mechanics Department at Virginia Tech said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. His academic career included stints at the Johns Hopkins University, Ohio State University, University of Virginia and Wake Forest University.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting.victims/librescu.vt.jpg)
Liviu Librescu, 76, a professor at Virginia Tech, was recognized internationally for his research in aeronautical engineering, the head of the Engineering Science and Mechanics Department at Virginia Tech told AP. Librescu, an Israeli, was born and received his advanced degrees in Romania.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting.victims/loganathan.vt.jpg)
G. V. Loganathan, 51, was a professor of civil and environmental engineering in the College of Engineering at Virginia Tech. Since coming to Virginia Tech in 1982, he earned the Outstanding Faculty Award, the Dean's Award for Excellence in Teaching and the Faculty Achievement Award for Excellence in Civil Engineering Education, according to his biography on the Virginia Tech Web site.
that link to facebook apparently was a different asian gunnut
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_vatech_cho_070417_nr.jpg)
it's amazing how much geography plays a role in stories like these. i'm in denver this week and it's still the top story on the news, but doesn't really seem like a huge deal to anyone. meanwhile, my office back in VA is setting up counselors and shtein because there are so many people that i work with that are either alums or have children there right now. it's probably about 20% VT grads. hopefully all their kids are ok but i have no idea.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2007, 10:42:15 AM
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_vatech_cho_070417_nr.jpg)
link (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OID5RG0&show_article=1)
23-year-old South Korean native named Cho Seung-Hui
i heard it was because he got an A- in his bowling class
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2007, 09:41:23 AM
you can not give a shtein about this AND it can be a big story
you can say it doesnt affect you AND it can be a tragic sad horrifying event
the news media can over report and try to whore out the story AND it can still be a defining even in our countries history
not everything is an either/or scenario...it can go both ways
Wow! This would be the point I'd make. I'm annoyed by the media's coverage but it is a story. I watched some tool who covered Columbine cover this story and sneak into the dorms to talk to people and wax poetic and shtein. What media whore tool farg!
good lord can someone please eliminate all the farging guns in this country. any nut can get their hands on any kind of gun and do this horrible shtein. just terrible.
Guns aren't the problem. Making guns illegal won't keep homicidal jackasses from getting their hands on them. Just like making heroine illegal doesn't keep people from getting it. Just like making abortion illegal never stopped women from getting abortions.
Don't be stupid.
Quote from: MDS on April 17, 2007, 11:59:05 AM
good lord can someone please eliminate all the farging guns in this country. any nut can get their hands on any kind of gun and do this horrible shtein. just terrible.
Right - seize all the guns from law-abiding citizens and put them in the hands of the government and criminals where they belong!
:-D
MDS, the problem its way too easy to get guns on the street. To get them legally is really a pain. It took me 3 weeks and about 6 pages of documents, plus a course just to get a gun. Whereas i could have gotten a illegal guy for about 400 cheaper, and have it in a day or two.
I had to wait 72 hours (actually five full days because of the weekend) to get my Glock from a dealer.
The other guns I have I got immediately from private owners who didn't require a 30 second wait.
Whereas i could have gotten a illegal guy for about 400 cheaper, and have it in a day or two.
or moved to virginia where getting a gun is as easy as buying a 12 pack of bud
whatever. the government should be doing what they can do try to combat the illegal gun trade. also the loopholes in the legal gun system need to go.
but yes, it is almost an impossible problem to stop. but i figure that we could spent a few trillion dollars on that and not go into a war that serves no purpose. oh wait.
O'Malley wants to make it even harder to get guns legally in MD :-D What these talking heads dont realize is when you get hot guns, its way too easy. Thats where the focus should be.
Another thing i had no idea until i went thru the process was each weapon you legally purchase is test fired and a ballistc's file is opened. If you were to use that gun in any illegal manner, the police know exactly who the weapon is registered to
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 12:04:33 PM
I had to wait 72 hours (actually five full days because of the weekend) to get my Glock from a dealer.
The other guns I have I got immediately from private owners who didn't require a 30 second wait.
Guns don't kill people. Angry appraisers kill people.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 17, 2007, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 12:04:33 PM
I had to wait 72 hours (actually five full days because of the weekend) to get my Glock from a dealer.
The other guns I have I got immediately from private owners who didn't require a 30 second wait.
Guns don't kill people. Angry appraisers kill people.
Speaking of which, when's training camp start?
O'Malley wants to make it even harder to get guns legally in MD
welcome to the most liberal state in the US
i thought it was great last week when on the same day maryland passed the nations first state living wage law....a freeze on college tution costs...and a state wide smoking ban
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 17, 2007, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 12:04:33 PM
I had to wait 72 hours (actually five full days because of the weekend) to get my Glock from a dealer.
The other guns I have I got immediately from private owners who didn't require a 30 second wait.
Guns don't kill people. Angry appraisers kill people.
Speaking of which, when's training camp start?
Why, are you going to open fire on Spadaro and his team of crack reporters?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 17, 2007, 12:17:53 PM
Why, are you going to open fire on Spadaro and his team of crack reporters?
Lehigh Valley strippers.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 17, 2007, 12:17:53 PM
Why, are you going to open fire on Spadaro and his team of crack reporters?
Lehigh Valley strippers.
Are they worse than Essington strippers?
You'd think it's nearly impossible, but I bet they are.
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Was gunman crazed over Emily?
By David Williams and Stefanie Balogh
April 18, 2007 12:00
THIS is the face of the girl who may have sparked the worst school shooting in US history.
Eighteen-year-old Emily Jane Hilscher was one of the first two victims to be identified in the Virginia Tech massacre, along with 22-year-old Ryan Clark.
The pair were neighbours in rooms 4040 and 4042 on the fourth floor of the West Ambler Johnston Hall dormitory where a gunman began the first of 33 campus shootings on Monday morning just after 7am, US time.
The gunman was identified by federal law enforcement authorities late last night as Cho Seung-Hui. He was described as being a 23-year-old South Korean male student who lived on campus, but no other details about him were released last night.
Witnesses to the shooting said that the gunman was involved in an argument with a girlfriend and had later stormed out of the dormitory building.
A counsellor – believed to be Mr Clark, who was also a resident adviser – was called to calm the situation at the dormitory.
The gunman returned at 7.15am and shot Ms Hilscher and Mr Clark. US media reported that Mr Clark had been shot in the neck.
More than two hours later the murderer – armed with two hand guns – stalked the corridors and classrooms of a college building in another separate part of the campus for about 20 minutes, killing 30 more people.
A further 20 students were injured, either by gunfire or jumping out of the massacre building.
The gunman was wearing a vest holding ammunition, witnesses said. He carried a 9mm semi-automatic and a .22-calibre handgun, both with the serial numbers obliterated, according to federal law enforcement officials.
He turned his weapons on himself before police could arrest him.
Police decided against closing down the college after the first shootings occurred, believing the killer had left the scene and was "off campus".
Then, two hours later, gunshots erupted from a separate building about 1km from the scene of the first murders.
Virginia Tech student Chen Chia-hao told Taiwan cable TV about the first shootings.
"They had a big quarrel in the West Ambler Johnston Hall and he shot her. Then the RA (dormitory supervisor) came, and he shot the RA," Mr Chen said.
Witnesses told how the gunman calmly roamed the classrooms inside Norris Hall, a building housing a science and engineering school, firing his weapon as students and teachers vainly tried to flee.
Wearing a black leather coat and maroon hat, the gunman used chains to lock the doors to the building from the inside before beginning his killing spree.
Friends of Ms Hilscher and Mr Clark last night posted messages on internet social-networking site "Facebook" and other blogs remembering her as a vibrant girl with an engaging personality.
"Emily was a wonderful person who always put a smile on my face," wrote friend Jessica Gould.
Mr Clark – a prefect in the dormitory – was in his fifth year at Virginia Tech and a leader in the school's marching band.
"He was such a friendly person," said friend Sarah Davis, 21, a trombone player in the band.
"When I came in as a freshman I was scared to death. He was always really friendly. If he didn't know you, he'd introduce himself."
Columbia County Sheriff's Office in Georgia confirmed 22-year-old Mr Clark from Georgia was one of the first shooting victims.
Ms Hilscher was confirmed dead by local law enforcement officials.
"You hear about people in other places mourning the loss of a child of great potential and great hope, and now we're the ones that have to bear that great loss," an official said last night.
"The Hilschers are strong people, and this is a strong community, and they'll have our support. The best we can hope for is a time of healing."
The list of the dead is known to include at least four staff members.
A message on the school's engineering department website paid tribute to two of the staff.
It read: "In Memoriam. Professor Kevin Granata and Professor Liviu Librescu who died on April 16, 2007 while serving Virginia Tech."
Professor Granata was killed while teaching his course in the Norris Hall building.
Professor Librescu, originally from Romania, was killed alongside Professor Granata.
A third instructor in the engineering department, Professor G.V. Loganathan, was also killed.
President George W. Bush addressed the nation in the hours after the shootings.
"Schools should be places of safety and sanctuary and learning. When that sanctuary is violated, the impact is felt in every American classroom and every American community," he said.
It's times like this I thank God that this nation of Christ's children elected that wonderful man George W. Bush and not that devilish Heintz maggot John F. Kerry.
Va. Tech shooter left note
Posted by the Washington Bureau at 9:25 a.m. CDT
Cho Seung-Hui, the Virginia Tech student identified as the campus shooter responsible for the largest, gun-related mass murder in U.S. history, was a troubled 23-year-old legal permanent resident from South Korea who investigators believe left an invective-filled note in his dorm room that included a rambling list of grievances and died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.
And he had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women. A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.
The English major from Centreville, Va., a rapidly growing suburb of Washington, D.C., came to the United States in 1992, an investigative source said. His family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who atatended Princeton University, the source said.
Investigators believe that Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. They also believe that the gunman used the same weapon in both the attack in the dorm room at Virginia Tech and the larger scale classroom killings. Investigators are examining Cho's computer for more evidence.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html
QuoteVirginia Killer's Violent Writings
Play told of pedophilic stepfather, murder of 13-year-old boy
APRIL 17--The college student responsible for yesterday's Virginia Tech slaughter was referred last year to counseling after professors became concerned about the violent nature of his writings, as evidenced in a one-act play obtained by The Smoking Gun. The play by Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old English major, was submitted last year as part of a short story writing class. Entitled "Richard McBeef," Cho's bizarre play features a 13-year-old boy who accuses his stepfather of pedophilia and murdering his father. A copy of the killer's play can be found below. The teenager talks of killing the older man and, at one point, the child's mother brandishes a chain saw at the stepfather. The play ends with the man striking the child with "a deadly blow." (10 pages)
hmm sounds like a few korean flicks ive seen lately
I actually agree with almost all if not everything that reese, IGY, and rjs said earlier in the topic. No point in beating a dead horse but I think you fellas were right on.
Ha!
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Eye on the the TV
'Cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor it happens to be, like...
"Killed by the husband"
"DROWNED by the ocean"
"Shot by his own son"
"SHe used a poison
in his tea...kissed him goodbye"
It's my kind of story
It's no fun 'til someone dies
Don't look at me like
I am a monster
Frown out your one face
But with the other
Stare like a junkie
Into the TV
Stare like a zombie
While the mother holds her child
Watches him die
Hands to the sky crying,
"Why, oh why?"
Cause I need to watch things die... from a distance
Vicariously I live while the whole world dies
You all need it too, don't lie
Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
Neither the brave nor bold
write as the story's told
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
I need to watch things die... from a good safe distance
Vicariously I live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same, so...
Why can't we just admit it?
Blood like rain falling down
Drawn by the brave and proud
Part vampire
Part warrior
Carnivorous Voyuer
Stare at the transmitter
Sing to the death rattle
Credulous at best
Your desire to believe in
Angels in the hearts of men
But pull your head on out
you hippies and give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again
The universe is hostile, so impersonal
Devour to survive... so it is, so it's always been
We all feed on tragedy
It's like blood to a vampire
Vicariously I live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I
Oh? Is this the poetry thread now?
Vicarious by Tool.
Never heard of them.
Quote from: King Cole on April 17, 2007, 04:22:25 PM
I actually agree with almost all if not everything that reese, IGY, and rjs said earlier in the topic. No point in beating a dead horse but I think you fellas were right on.
I'm sure rjs is thrilled to hear that.
Worst. Post. Ever.
I was thinking to myself how happy Imus must be, now that this has happened his name is nowhere to be heard.
You really think he cares about his name in the news now that he's been fired?
Quote from: Diomedes on April 17, 2007, 04:36:33 PM
Oh? Is this the poetry thread now?
I was going to post my thoughts on it, but the song pretty much sums it up.
I'm guilty of it, no doubt, but the people at work have been making me sick with it. I can understand if you are somehow personally affected, but people completely removed from it watch and commentate on it as if it were the Super Bowl, or the latest blockbuster.
i would think this is a little more important than the super bowl.
What I meant was it is like a fervor. Excitement.
People watching CNN and waiting for the next wrinkle to develop. How farged up in the head was the kid? How many times did he shoot soandso? Were the killings execution style? Is there footage from security cameras?
I would bet when they imagine the whole thing in their heads, they do it from the perspective of the shooter.
If you are genuinely affected by what went down in some way, I don't think you watch the news waiting for all of macabre details.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 17, 2007, 05:22:58 PM
You really think he cares about his name in the news now that he's been fired?
Probably not, but you have to find it slightly humorous that his stupid comments got the same amount of media attention as this. In my own sick, convoluted thought process I'm glad something on a larger scale happened so I could stop hearing about it.
Quote from: PPinDC on April 17, 2007, 05:41:27 PM
What I meant was it is like a fervor. Excitement.
People watching CNN and waiting for the next wrinkle to develop. How farged up in the head was the kid? How many times did he shoot soandso? Were the killings execution style? Is there footage from security cameras?
I would bet when they imagine the whole thing in their heads, they do it from the perspective of the shooter.
If you are genuinely affected by what went down in some way, I don't think you watch the news waiting for all of macabre details.
I hear you. I'm travelling for work this week so I don't have to deal with it first hand but I can tell just by some of the emails I'm getting that there's a weird vibe in my office back in Arlington. They're setting up counselors for people.
I set up a counselor for myself at work. I need to talk about my feeling.
American news channels covering an American tragedy into oblivion? God forbid.
Let's go back to the 24-hour coverage of Anna Nicole Smith.
They all had inflated ratings last night, especially CNN. Perhaps that's something to brag about, but Fox's numbers at best doubled. CNN's tripled in some cases. MSNBC had some slight increases, but America pretty much proved that when real news hits they go to CNN. Which I guess is good since they didn't go to Fox.
NBC slightly beat ABC, CBS a distant third.
I'm not sure how many commercials they threw out there, but when breaking news hits, cable news has to milk it all cause thats when they hit the jackpot. News is a business. It's sad but it's true.
For me it isn't the fact that they are covering it. It needs to be covered. It is the way they are covering it. It feels slimey as I watch some of the different stations coverage. Rather then come across as sympathetic some of the coverage that I've watched seemed to just be there to get the interviews they needed. Like breaking in the dorms with a camera the day of the shootings and cornering whomever they could to talk to them. They have no respect for the people in the story that they are covering. They are just objects in the story. I don't know. I'm sure not all of the coverage is that way. Where's Peter Jennings!
Anything that takes you idiots away from your American Idol fix gets the thumbs up from me.
Says the night time soap opera fan.
Quote from: Phanatic on April 17, 2007, 10:53:19 PM
For me it isn't the fact that they are covering it. It needs to be covered. It is the way they are covering it. It feels slimey as I watch some of the different stations coverage. Rather then come across as sympathetic some of the coverage that I've watched seemed to just be there to get the interviews they needed. Like breaking in the dorms with a camera the day of the shootings and cornering whomever they could to talk to them. They have no respect for the people in the story that they are covering. They are just objects in the story. I don't know. I'm sure not all of the coverage is that way. Where's Peter Jennings!
That is probably true. I basically try to glean the news from the internet from various sites. I don't really watch TV news at all, whether it be CNN, FOX or BBC news.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 17, 2007, 11:39:55 PM
Says the night time soap opera fan.
Your anti-establishment stance is tainted by the fact that you whined to the local Mods about me interrupting your fantasy draft thread. And by the fact that you are constantly redirecting people's posts to the 'correct' message board forum.
You play hard, but it's just play. There's no meat behind it. I don't accept half of what you say you believe, because you don't seem like YOU can believe it.
In the long run, I just don't think you have what it takes. Too bad.
This got about five minutes of coverage here. Then they pointed out that Australia still holds the record for the largest single-gunman shooting. Then they went into the government heads crying out for even stricter gun control laws here. Nevermind the fact that no one in the country knows where to buy a gun, they need stricter laws.
I wonder if this would be a good week to go purchase that .40 Glock I want?
(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/04/18/vtech.shooting/newt1.vt.mem.wed.01.gi.jpg)
This dude makes me angry.
Says the night time soap opera fan.
Touche.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 18, 2007, 08:24:17 AM
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This dude makes me angry.
Giovanni Ribisi goes to VaTech?
That guy looks like he's trolling the vigil for loose girls in need of a feeble attempt at fulfillment.
If that's what he's doing, I wish him luck.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/18/iraq.main/index.html
at least 164 killed in one day of bombing in Baghdad.
suck it, Blacksburg
out of sight, out of mind
Imus said jigaboo
Cho Seung wrote a couple of plays:
Mr. Brownstone (http://news.aol.com/virginia-tech-shootings/cho-seung-hui/_a/mr-brownstone-title-page/20070417141309990001)
Richard McBeef (http://news.aol.com/virginia-tech-shootings/cho-seung-hui/_a/richard-mcbeef-cover-page/20070417134109990001)
Guesses are he is John in the stories.
supposedly the kid sent a package to NBC containing photo/video/writings...it is believed it was sent between the two incidents
Ha, now that's some farged up shtein.
In between killing 32 people...he had the presence of mind to stop at the post office?
If I drop my keys on the way out the door in the mornings, I usually forget everything my wife asked me to do.
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/COVER/070418/STG_Mega_KillerSpeaks_251p.jpg)
LINK (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776)
What an idiot. Maybe its on different parts of the tape but it doesn't sound like he mentions who he's blaming. Sounded like he wasn't being given enough attention.
For all you anti-gun nuts. The kid bought his guns legally, abiding by all the laws of the State of Virginia. The shooting took place in a "gun-free zone", which means guns are a no-no where he killed everyone.
If everyone at VT had guns on them (legally, of course), he would have been gunned down before 10 people were killed. And America would be celebrating the right to bear arms, rather than cursing it.
No, america wouldn't be celebrating it because the daily death toll would be much higher, and instances like this would be much more common.
So a situation like this wouldn't seem nearly as bad. The easier guns are to get the more incentive someone has to use it. If everyone on campus had a gun, what is to stop someone from getting pissed off in a regular fight and going into their book bag and pulling out a gun while in rage? Even the best of people don't think rationally sometimes when pissed off.
The best way to stop instances like this are to make guns as hard to get as possible. There is no way to completely stop them so situations like this will happen from time to time, but I will take that over a much higher daily death rate.
Quote from: King Cole on April 19, 2007, 02:32:35 AM
The best way to stop instances like this are to make guns as hard to get as possible.
It's no surprise that this is your opinion.
The type of people that want to use guns for crime will always be able to get them. Basically, it only makes it tougher for hunters and law-abiding people to have guns, while most gun-related crime will go on.
Basically, if you want all the guns in this country in the hands of the military, the police, and criminals, go ahead and knee-jerk like everyone else and march on Washington for gun control.
everyone should be issued a gun at birth...that would solve all our problems
Naturally... since Cho Seung-Hui was not born in America, he wouldn't have a gun! PROBLEM SOLVED!
Everyone having guns and being able to carry them into places like classrooms is the most idiotic thing I've heard in a long time.
hows it go?
mo guns mo money or something like that?
This is not a gun control issue, you twits. This is a mental health education and care issue. This guy was crazy. His professors knew he was crazy. His classmates knew he was crazy. The police knew he was crazy. The state knew he was crazy. He stalked two women and was taken to in-patient treatment. This isn't some confusing jigsaw puzzle that people had to piece together and it certainly isn't an example of gun control laws failing us.
If you're going to suggest changes as a result of this one incident, focus on the right part of the story.
^^^^
holla
If you're going to suggest changes as a result of this one incident
duh?! the changes are to put a gun in everyones pocket
professors students colin fergeson psychos babies second basemen toll booth operators crazy uncles alcoholic fathers drummers roasted nut vendors and bored white kids with nothing to latch onto
That list made me giggle.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 19, 2007, 08:30:38 AM
This is not a gun control issue, you twits. This is a mental health education and care issue. This guy was crazy. His professors knew he was crazy. His classmates knew he was crazy. The police knew he was crazy. The state knew he was crazy. He stalked two women and was taken to in-patient treatment. This isn't some confusing jigsaw puzzle that people had to piece together and it certainly isn't an example of gun control laws failing us.
If you're going to suggest changes as a result of this one incident, focus on the right part of the story.
It disturbs me when you make sense.
Knock it off, dude.
Obviously, the problem is that we have too much freedom in this country in general.
TOTALITARIANISM FOR ALL!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2007, 08:35:58 AM
duh?! the changes are to put a gun in everyones pocket
and then we can dismantle this awful liberal government boondoggle "mental health care" idea. social workers? Ba...let people go nuts and they'll die in a hail of gunfire!
up with rule of the mob!!
As long as Colin Fergeson and babies have guns, I'm happy.
(http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-oldwest/Gunfight2-500.jpg)
Guns don't kill people. Angry, bitter, middle-aged Philly sports fans kill people.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 19, 2007, 09:14:29 AM
Guns don't kill people. Angry, bitter, middle-aged Philly sports fans kill people.
Actually angry, bitter middle-aged Philly sports fans only ever send their victims into serious condition, they don't know how to win the big one.
Werd.
CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/commentary.nugent/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)
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Zero tolerance, huh? Gun-free zones, huh? Try this on for size: Columbine gun-free zone, New York City pizza shop gun-free zone, Luby's Cafeteria gun-free zone, Amish school in Pennsylvania gun-free zone and now Virginia Tech gun-free zone.
Anybody see what the evil Brady Campaign and other anti-gun cults have created? I personally have zero tolerance for evil and denial. And America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time, and I've about had enough of it.
Go, Ted!!
I am not a gun owner, and I'm not pro-gun. But outlawing guns is in no way going to make America safer.
I heart Ted
Quote from: reese125 on April 17, 2007, 10:17:54 AM
oh--whats even funnier about all this crackhead---you started this thread--hahhaa
well, well, well, look who's back! :puke
So what can be done? This guy clearly was in need of help, but the way the system is set up you would be looked upon as violating his rights if you tried to force into rehab, and if they pass laws to allow that then you taking away freedoms, it is a fine line
No wonder this guy flipped (http://wsls.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSLS/MGArticle/SLS_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173350907846).
According to this "escort", even she turned him down for secks.
Ex-Hokie Vick donates $10K to assist victim's families
"When tragic things like this happen, families have enough to deal with, and if I can help in some small way, that's the least I can do," said Vick, who played for the Hokies before being drafted No. 1 overall by the Falcons in 2001.
Vick's foundation said the money will be used to provide help with funeral expenses, transportation for family members and other support services.
completely amazed by this. this school gave you a free education and whatever else for free, and all he can do is donate 10K....haha
If your gonna try and pull off a PR stunt...be smart and dig deep...your a f-in multi muti millionare
how much are you giving?
10k is like 100 bucks to a normal shmo. vick not only sucks at football, he sucks at life.
i'd give $1, basically the equivalent % of what he gave
do you really want to know guy? considering I have family down there and my sister goes to the school there...lets just say its a hefty sum.
but its besides the point. Im not a millionare, but if I was... and I had big time ties there and Im a hometown hero I would do a hellava lot more
dont get me wrong..anything helps...but from him....joke
LOL - Since when is $10,000 a joke? That's a lot of money for anyone to give to charity. And who says that's all he's going to give? I'm no fan on Michael Vick but running the guy down for donating a large sum of money like that is idiotic.
I gotta agree. Trashing a guy because of giving is pretty un-cool. You have no idea whether he is doing/planning more. $10K, whether you got a hundred grand or 100,000,000 is still a heft amount to be donating. It's about the recipients, not the donor.
weak sauce through and through
"10K..That's a lot of money for anyone to give to charity."
yeah for you or me. stop yourself please.
He can piss out 10K, then wipe his ass with 10K. Its the United Way fund and the place that catapulted his career.
if a multi-millionaire is going to make a grand public gesture of donating money, he should donate an amount that's either more signifcant to him, or more significant to the families.
who are you to tell someone else how much of THEIR money to give...not to mention do you have any idea how much money his foundation gives to other charities...charities that need help far more than a family thats is in all likelyhood pretty well off to begin with
ha, all people that go to fancy learnin schools must be millionaires
Got to agree. Anyone that trashes Vick for the amount he gives is in the wrong fight IMO.
well at least he was anonymous about donating one week's worth of crew money to families that had people die
ha, all people that go to fancy learnin schools must be millionaires
provide a link to just a single vicitms family who is poor...i havent seen them all but the ones i have have been extremely wealthy...northern virgina....long island....connecticut....hell even chos family was upper middle class...wheres the money for the funerals of the poor philadelphians who get murdered every day in the city
i really dont care where vicks money goes...he earned it he can give it where he chooses but for that douchebag reese to question the amount he gives is farging retarded....especially when the guy has an entire foundation that gives out money to far more needy people
you just hate college kids...admit it
no i hate greeks
if cho would have shot up a frat house i would have giggled
Quote from: reese125 on April 23, 2007, 09:36:59 PM
"10K..That's a lot of money for anyone to give to charity."
yeah for you or me. stop yourself please.
He can piss out 10K, then wipe his ass with 10K. Its the United Way fund and the place that catapulted his career.
if a multi-millionaire is going to make a grand public gesture of donating money, he should donate an amount that's either more signifcant to him, or more significant to the families.
What's it like to always be on the stanking ass end of an argument? Seriously, you roll through the forum and end up getting your farging ass kicked by everyone here on every thread you troll through. Why even bother anymore?
farging dumbass.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2007, 08:21:32 PM
No wonder this guy flipped (http://wsls.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSLS/MGArticle/SLS_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173350907846).
According to this "escort", even she turned him down for secks.
A whore named Chastity?!?!? I. Am. SHOCKED!
And what's with dude getting up and washing after her dancing for 15 minutes? Did he blow in his drawers after a dance? Jeezus.
(http://content.bt.com/distribution/btvision/universal/images/movies/im1/American-Pie_im1.jpg)
farg Vick. 10 grand covers MAYBE two caskets. But it makes for great press, doesn't touch him in the least, and he can point to it forevermore as evidence that he's an upstanding citizen.
When in fact he's a shteinbag.
I've been through this argument a few times. I used to work for Hennessy. They made a $25,000 donation to Katrina clean up, and nearly hurt themselves slapping each other on the back for it. Yeah, 25k is a better than nothing, but Hennessy makes more than that in profit per month on that chocolate city of extremely poor people. They sell something like 1.2 million nine liter cases of very expensive cognac to mostly blacks every year in this country, and the best they could come up with was 25. Okay, fine. But enough with the self congratulation.
It's a PR stunt first and last. Somewhere in between, there's a little bit of cash to help someone out a little bit.
farg Vick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2007, 10:10:28 PM
no i hate greeks
nm, I thought this said 'geeks'.
Yes, everyone hates greeks.
Quote from: reese125 on April 23, 2007, 09:26:00 PM
do you really want to know guy? considering I have family down there and my sister goes to the school there...lets just say its a hefty sum.
but its besides the point. Im not a millionare, but if I was... and I had big time ties there and Im a hometown hero I would do a hellava lot more
dont get me wrong..anything helps...but from him....joke
There is no one word of truth to this post
Quote from: rjs246 on April 24, 2007, 02:50:15 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2007, 10:10:28 PM
no i hate greeks
nm, I thought this said 'geeks'.
Yes, everyone hates greeks.
i would like to know what your rant abouts geeks was.
Me too!
(Let's just assume SunMo would say "Me three!" and move on.)
Apparently, I read that VT students have been given the option to take their grades as they stand now and end their semester. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but I think a wisecrack about the "terrorists winning" is apropos.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 23, 2007, 10:30:39 PM
farg Vick. 10 grand covers MAYBE two caskets. But it makes for great press, doesn't touch him in the least, and he can point to it forevermore as evidence that he's an upstanding citizen.
When in fact he's a shteinbag.
I've been through this argument a few times. I used to work for Hennessy. They made a $25,000 donation to Katrina clean up, and nearly hurt themselves slapping each other on the back for it. Yeah, 25k is a better than nothing, but Hennessy makes more than that in profit per month on that chocolate city of extremely poor people. They sell something like 1.2 million nine liter cases of very expensive cognac to mostly blacks every year in this country, and the best they could come up with was 25. Okay, fine. But enough with the self congratulation.
It's a PR stunt first and last. Somewhere in between, there's a little bit of cash to help someone out a little bit.
farg Vick.
watch it Dio, Rome and IGY might not agree with you, and you might be banned from voicing an honest opinion again...you gonna be all right?
dio is stating the obvious that it was at least in part (if not all) publicity stunt ...well duh
you on the other hand are telling another person how much of their money to spend
why dont you go thru and protest all the VT players in the nfl who havent given any money rather than slam a guy for giving 10 thousand
paging kevin jones
you looked like a dope....now get over it
"dio is stating the obvious that it was at least in part (if not all) publicity stunt ...well duh"
bottom line is if your goin going to pull off a PR stunt, do it right...and spend the money. You know damn well 10K is a joke so stop trying to be confrontational when you know the truth
I love you too tough guy
still waiting for you to come up with a list of VT almuni that havent given any money and bash them
or even a list of people who have given more than vick...hell has anyone given more than vick
Even if you assume Vick makes $10m a year, his $10,000 is like $100 to someone making $100,000 a year.
How many VT alums making $100,000 donated $100 in the wake of this tragedy? I'd say less than 15%.
Considering Vick's problems as a QB, hollow bottles at the airport, and philandering and herpes-spreading in the name of Ron Mexico, I'm going to go ahead and NOT fault him for donating $10,000 to Virginia Tech.
the bigger question here is why do these people even need donations...they arent refugees...they didnt lose their homes or lifes savings...they had a child die...a horrible thing indeed but i really dont get why donations of any amount are necessary...at the same time i would never tell vick or anyone else not to give to them
but when when you factor that in vicks 10k is even bigger
im sure the receipients of vicks money werent hatin like reesie
igy you are a ridiculous excuse for a human being. with that said, i love you. holla.
College tuition probably doesn't go away just because the kid is going to be late for class all semester. Add funeral costs on top of that, well, yeah, these folks probably could use an extra few bucks.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 24, 2007, 05:53:43 PM
College tuition probably doesn't go away just because the kid is going to be late for class all semester.
Umm, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that VT is not going to make the families pay a year's tuition.
They totally will. And charge them extra.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 24, 2007, 06:07:47 PM
They totally will. And charge them extra.
why not? they got blood all over the place
Quote from: reese125 on April 24, 2007, 04:36:58 PM
"dio is stating the obvious that it was at least in part (if not all) publicity stunt ...well duh"
bottom line is if your goin going to pull off a PR stunt, do it right...and spend the money. You know damn well 10K is a joke so stop trying to be confrontational when you know the truth
I love you too tough guy
The only person I've seen complaining about the money is you, dipshtein. Dio complains about anything he considers phony or contrived and he's certainly entitled to those opinions. I disagree with his assessment of the situation on this point but at least he's not in here making a complete farging shteinbag dumbass of himself like you are.
Vick is a clown. His money is nothing but a show. But he gave and I didn't. So I don't really feel the need to chastise him for it. I'd rather chastise him for being an awful quarterback.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 24, 2007, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 24, 2007, 04:36:58 PM
"dio is stating the obvious that it was at least in part (if not all) publicity stunt ...well duh"
bottom line is if your goin going to pull off a PR stunt, do it right...and spend the money. You know damn well 10K is a joke so stop trying to be confrontational when you know the truth
I love you too tough guy
The only person I've seen complaining about the money is you, dipshtein. Dio complains about anything he considers phony or contrived and he's certainly entitled to those opinions. I disagree with his assessment of the situation on this point but at least he's not in here making a complete farging shteinbag dumbass of himself like you are.
"Dio complains about anything he
considers phony or contrived and he's certainly entitled to those opinions."
...you should of stopped right at the end of that sentence, because you just described exactly what I did. I think it was phony so Im entitled...and you dont cool internet points for cursing three times in a row Munson, so please save the dramatics
peace
Quote from: rjs246 on April 24, 2007, 07:16:09 PM
Vick is a clown. His money is nothing but a show. But he gave and I didn't. So I don't really feel the need to chastise him for it. I'd rather chastise him for being an awful quarterback.
I'd rather applaud him for being a zesty quarterback. If he weren't it's entirely possible the Eagles would have lost 4 straight NFCCG's.
People like arguing about nothing today it seems. Something in the water?
I get my water from Mars.
I'd rather chastise him for being an awful quarterback.
winner
The only thing I have a problem with is the press release. If he gave this money quietly and without fanfare, there would be no one questioning his motives.
cho was a liberal (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200704190008
Can someone please beat him to death?
Well, Rush is kind of stating the obvious here. In all his "rants" and manifestos, he chastised rich people and blamed the decadence of society for driving him to his actions.
Basically, his family was/are immigrant dry cleaners that were/are scraping by living in a townhome and barely making ends meet. Their hope for the "American Dream" couldn't be fulfilled, and he was like many others in that he resented people who were better off financially and flaunted it.
It really wouldn't make any sense for him to support a party that wants stricter immigration laws and less domestic government and assistance programs.
While there's no doubt Rush is a jackass of the nth degree, he's not patently incorrect on this one.
Hating the rich doesn't make you liberal.
Trying to categorize Cho's political leanings is farging idiotic. He was a lunatic who didn't like rich people, tried to bone hookers and was obsessed with guns and violence.
He doesn't sound like a liberal to me. Doesn't sound like a conservative, either.
Don't say he "tried" to bone a hooker. We both know her story for the press was complete bullshtein. He paid for an hour in a cheap motel with an "escort", and we're supposed to believe no intercourse took place?
I'll believe that when me shtein turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.
Cho would have voted for Joe Biden.
Well, Rush is kind of stating the obvious here.
ORLY?
its obvious he was a liberal cause he railed against rich people?....so did timothy mcveigh and he was about as right wing as you can get
there isnt one single bit of evidence to suggest his political leaning either way...liberal or conservative...in fact most likely he was completely apolitical
as for his parents they lived in a 350k townhouse in a very affluent washington dc suburb and were able to send their two kids to college one on a partial scholarship to princeton and the cho to VT with no help....they were doing fine...
cho wasnt liberal or conservative...republican or democrat...he was a fruitcake
rush doesnt even believe what hes saying here...he trying to stir the pot...to take him seriously much less try to defend him shows how scary youre
Barak the Magic Negro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJb-qUaSa38&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthenewshole%2Emsnbc%2Emsn%2Ecom%2Farchive%2F2007%2F04%2F24%2F167469%2Easpx)
On Rush's show yesterday, sung by some hillbilly Klan member as Al Sharpton.
Seriously, they should make him go to Alabama and be a slave for some poor family. Like government sanctioned. Or just kill him.
raq students show Virginia Tech support (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/virginia_tech_iraq;_ylt=ArfY.iAMcsZGYF50jyYCMa0DW7oF)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2007, 10:02:49 AM
rush doesnt even believe what hes saying here...he trying to stir the pot...to take him seriously much less try to defend him shows how scary youre
I wouldn't have even noticed the comment if you didn't feel it was :CF -worthy. Maybe you're the one who's giving it too much credence, and you should realize you're playing right into Rush's hands.
Happy contrarian day!
Quote from: Cerevant on April 25, 2007, 08:32:46 AM
The only thing I have a problem with is the press release. If he gave this money quietly and without fanfare, there would be no one questioning his motives.
Right - because the highest profile athlete EVER to attend Virginia Tech could surely give $10K away without no one knowing about it or reporting it in the press.
The guy could have given $100K and brain donor dipshteins here, there and everywhere would still be whining.
He could easily have given money anonymously. People do that all the time. Even famous people, dipshtein.
I think they would have figured it out if a big donation came in under the name Ron Mexico.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2007, 09:57:55 AM
I'll believe that when me shtein turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.
I enjoy this movie.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 25, 2007, 03:48:13 PM
I think they would have figured it out if a big donation came in under the name Ron Mexico.
with free samples of Valtrex