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Honestly didn't think he'd sign with the Eagles.
Update: 6-year deal.
Solid signing. Can be a very good one if the money isn't too crazy. If it is more than Stallworth got I'll be pissed.
Meh.
Stallworth ultra-light. Better than them not doing anything at all I suppose. Now get Ron Dayne's ass out of town and get Corey Dillon on the farging phone.
The real question is this:
Will Kevin Curtis want Greg Lewis' #83 or will he his #80 like a good mormon?
The numbers in the teens are all the rage anymore.
If he gets #19, I'm buying the jersey. I'll go on record right now. Otherwise, no way in hell.
I really don't know how I feel about this signing. The numbers thrown around would lead me to believe he got more guaranteed money than Stallworth. The only justification I can see is that he's rarely injured and very Mormon.
I guess a good question is whether his production will be equal or greater than Stallworth's while he was here?
I figure he'll be on the field for the entire season, so I'm thinking he'll have more catches at a minimum....
This is a decent signing for the mere fact that it brings the organization out of the depths of the sewer back to floating around mid level in a post taco bell and Colt 45 morning stew.
Another farging Mormon....great.
I like the signing because we at least have 2 legitimate WRs and our only need on offense is a backup RB. I'd love to see the numbers, if they're anything close to what it would have took to bring Stallworth back this is a dumb move.
Now we can concentrate our entire draft on the defensive side.
I'm surprised he didn't go to Tennessee, but meh...doesn't really excite me that much....
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 15, 2007, 04:22:47 PM
I like the signing because we at least have 2 legitimate WRs and our only need on offense is a backup RB. I'd love to see the numbers, if they're anything close to what it would have took to bring Stallworth back this is a dumb move.
my guess is that it cost a lot more than what it would have to bring Stallworth back on that 1 year deal.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 15, 2007, 04:21:46 PM
Another farging Mormon....great.
You can count on at least one other coming aboard between the draft and camps. Fo sho!
So did he actually SIGN the contract yet? Until then nothing is safe.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 15, 2007, 04:21:46 PM
Another farging Mormon....great.
If you give your notice today, it would officially be the best day of your life!
KEVIN CURTIS!!
link (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=66194)
Good... now we're almost as good as we were when we had Stallworth.
My only question is did we pay more money to be almost as good. Common sense says it took more than $3.6 to get him here.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 15, 2007, 04:21:46 PM
Another farging paste man at a non-line position....great.
Fixed.
Quote from: MURP on March 15, 2007, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 15, 2007, 04:22:47 PM
I like the signing because we at least have 2 legitimate WRs and our only need on offense is a backup RB. I'd love to see the numbers, if they're anything close to what it would have took to bring Stallworth back this is a dumb move.
my guess is that it cost a lot more than what it would have to bring Stallworth back on that 1 year deal.
Of course, but before I give this a nay or yay yet I want to see the numbers. This also shows me they didn't really want Donte back, guess it was a mix between the Hammy and substance abuse program.
IGY is pumed about a white WR.
the question with curtis is was he productive because he was behind two possible hall of famers in st louis or will he be exposed now playing with slop on the eagles
i dont think anyone knows the answer to that and it will determine the quality of this signing
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2007, 04:35:58 PM
the question with curtis is was he productive because he was behind two possible hall of famers in st louis or will he be exposed now playing with slop on the eagles
i dont think anyone knows the answer to that and it will determine the quality of this signing
He might be behind two possible HoF'rs in Philly, too. Obviously Reggie and also Hank.
Hoo boy.
how dare you denigrate Hank by merely calling him a HOFer...how dare you
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2007, 04:35:58 PM
the question with curtis is was he productive because he was behind two possible hall of famers in st louis or will he be exposed now playing with slop on the eagles
Perhaps Curtis being on the field made the others that much better.
ha...awesome filter usage
Perhaps Curtis being on the field made the others that much better
ha
It seems like he's at least the same level receiver as Brown...with speed. I'm ok with that...if we can all stay healthy. No WR will be a big threat...but you also must account for them. I think they've all shown they can make plays.
Crossing fingers and pubic hairs!
I kind of like the signing though we don't know what he's fully capable of.
This makes the current wr's better then when Thrash was the #1. I know that isn't saying much but at least there's that.
Still a notch below Charles Johnson and Torrance Small, tho...
Spadaro compares Curtis & Stallworth:
QuoteHere is what some pro football personnel guy told me: Some people like Stallworth more and some like Curtis more. So, I take that to mean both are very comparable. Curtis has not had any injury problems, nor has he had any off-the-field issues.
That removes all doubt as to why the Eagles went strongly after Curtis but shied away from Stallworth.
Johnson and Small was pretty abominable. I think Pinky and Thrash gave me more hope.
Stallworth had hamstring issues and the substance abuse stuff before the Eagles traded for him. I guess they just wanted to trade away a draft pick for nothing. Brilliant!!!!#(%*&@*(#%&(@#*%&
Quote from: MURP on March 15, 2007, 04:54:59 PM
Stallworth had hamstring issues and the substance abuse stuff before the Eagles traded for him. I guess they just wanted to trade away a draft pick for nothing. Brilliant!!#(%*&@*(#%&(@#*%&
His year last year was a lot better than most Eagles
4th 3rd 2nd 1st round picks do their entire career.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 15, 2007, 04:48:26 PM
Still a notch below Charles Johnson and Torrance Small, tho...
Spadaro compares Curtis & Stallworth:
QuoteHere is what some pro football personnel guy told me: Some people like Stallworth more and some like Curtis more. So, I take that to mean both are very comparable. Curtis has not had any injury problems, nor has he had any off-the-field issues.
That removes all doubt as to why the Eagles went strongly after Curtis but shied away from Stallworth.
Yet, they seem to love Buckhalter...
6 years 32 million 9.5 guaranteed
wow
Quote from: King Cole on March 15, 2007, 05:02:35 PM
6 years 32 million 9.5 guaranteed
wow
Correct
Link (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511)
Should have kept Stallworth
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 15, 2007, 05:01:35 PM
Yet, they seem to love Buckhalter...
So much that they had RON fargING DAYNE in for a visit?
Quote from: King Cole on March 15, 2007, 05:02:35 PM
6 years 32 million 9.5 guaranteed
wow
Yep. Schefter:
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles have reached an agreement with former St. Louis free agent WR Kevin Curtis on a six-year, $32 million deal that includes $9.5 million in guaranteed money. The Titans and Vikings made strong pushes for Curtis at the end, but he opted for the Eagles.
I'd like to see how the contract is structured. Those numbers could be a bunch of shtein like the Stallworth numbers were.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 15, 2007, 05:03:40 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 15, 2007, 05:01:35 PM
Yet, they seem to love Buckhalter...
So much that they had RON fargING DAYNE in for a visit?
Don't get it twisted... I agree with you about the reasons why they wanted to get rid of Stallworth (as dumb as those reasons are). It's just that it's funny as hell to me that they've let Buck stick around what 3 years after his "substance abuse" issues and his missing multiple SEASONS due to injury.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 15, 2007, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: King Cole on March 15, 2007, 05:02:35 PM
6 years 32 million 9.5 guaranteed
wow
Correct
Link (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511)
NOW HOW THE HELL ARE WE GONNA SIGN ANY GUYS ON DEFENSE?!?!?!?!?!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 15, 2007, 05:05:11 PM
I'd like to see how the contract is structured. Those numbers could be a bunch of shtein like the Stallworth numbers were.
Agreed.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 15, 2007, 05:05:11 PM
I'd like to see how the contract is structured. Those numbers could be a bunch of shtein like the Stallworth numbers were.
Quote
CURTIS GETS $9.5 MILLION GUARANTEED
Various outlets are reporting, and we have separately confirmed, that the contract that receiver Kevin Curtis signed with the Eagles includes $9.5 million in guaranteed money.
Contrary to reports that the deal is worth $32 million over six years, we're told that the base number is a hair under $30 million, with $1 million salary escalators in each of the last two years of the deal that push the total value to just under $32 million. The escalators, we're told, are easily reachable -- and are based on receptions.
Curtis also received a $7 million signing bonus. The remainder of the guaranteed money comes from a fully-guaranteed base salary of $1 million in 2007 and $1.5 million in guaranteed base salary in 2008. His total 2008 base salary is $2 million, and he's due to receive a $1.5 million roster bonus in March of next year.
The deal also has roster bonuses in future years and an annual $250,000 Pro Bowl incentive.
Per a league source, the decision came down to the Eagles and the Vikings. Both made solid offers, but Curtis in the end opted for Philly, due in large part to the presence of coach Andy Reid and the string of success that the franchise has enjoyed on his watch.
QuoteNOW HOW THE HELL ARE WE GONNA SIGN ANY GUYS ON DEFENSE?!?!?!?!?!
yeah like Juqua Thomas and Quentin Mikell!?
that Munson...always getting things right
It's really a reasonable deal for a productive starting receiver in the NFL.
Let's sit back and see if he fills that description.
ESPN's take (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2800006)
QuoteCurtis in the end opted for Philly, due in large part to the presence of coach Andy Reid
The Mormon angle
he couldn't pass up the opportunity to go witnessin' with the coach
I knew Andy's Mormonism would pay off when the Eagles went hard after a top-quality Mormon free agent.
Which Mormons are coming available next off-season?
somebody convince Lance Briggs to convert...ASAP
Quote from: SunMo on March 15, 2007, 05:35:04 PM
somebody convince Lance Briggs to convert...ASAP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Briggs
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles would like to convert Briggs to the The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder-day Saints. They feel it would obviously increase the odds he'd agree to a reasonable contract.
Not a bad signing. I like that he brings some stability to the WR position. At least it is quality depth, and he has been able to put together some decent years in a somewhat limited role. I like the speed element of his game, so the Eagles still have that big play threat capability with him. Pasquarelli seems to spooge over his "straight line speed" and called him "one of the fastest players in the NFL". So if he can couple that with consistency it will be a good pick-up.
The only thing I don't like about him is that he'll be 29 come July. The good thing is that he seems to be in good health, and really hasn't suffered any sorts of injuries, so that is a plus.
I think this signing could grow on me. Hopefully his strengths are utilized. I'm wondering how consistent his hands are. He was a monster at Utah State, just saw some of his stats.
He could be the best Mormon player ever!
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 15, 2007, 05:34:02 PM
I knew Andy's Mormonism would pay off when the Eagles went hard after a top-quality Mormon free agent.
Which Mormons are coming available next off-season?
don't know why, but that's funny. kinda like titikaka
grabbed this from EMB psoting:
QuoteThings I like about Curtis and this deal...
1. He doesn't have a hamstring problem
2. He doesn't have a drug problem
3. He's played under two very good older receivers, and will bring good experience to our young receiving core
4. His Agent is NOT Drew Rosenhaus
5. He's still hungry to prove himself
true x 5
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 15, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: SunMo on March 15, 2007, 05:35:04 PM
somebody convince Lance Briggs to convert...ASAP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Briggs
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles would like to convert Briggs to the The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder-day Saints. They feel it would obviously increase the odds he'd agree to a reasonable contract.
FF that is Greatness
i love how a violation of the substance abuse policy = drug problem
wow. the excitement is streaming through me right now. i feel like burning.
I mean this signing is not going to light the world on fire, but it still nonetheless is a decent one. Curtis has the potential to be more productive this season than Stallworth was last year, if for no other reason than I don't think durability is an issue with Curtis. I said before I didn't like that he will be 29 before the season starts, but I guess I have to take into account that he did take 2 years off so his body hasn't taken too great of a pounding.
He has great speed and good hands (although his scouting profile says he does drop the "easy pass"), and was probably the most talented player left in FA right now. It's a solid pick-up; I'm sure Spads is going to really trump it up but that doesn't detract from it being a solid signing from a rational perspective. What's good is that his scouting report states that he is also agile and quick to go with his straight line speed, so he not just a stiff that can run real fast in a straight line.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/curtis_kevin
Quote from: SunMo on March 15, 2007, 05:48:09 PM
i love how a violation of the substance abuse policy = drug problem
whew! so my sex addiction problem isn't as bad as I thought...maybe it's only a vagina insertion abuse issue.
Quote from: dis12 on March 15, 2007, 06:07:26 PMwhew! so my sex addiction problem isn't as bad as I thought...maybe it's only a mangina insertion abuse issue.
I prefer to call it a prostatological thrust message.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 15, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Briggs
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles would like to convert Briggs to the The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder-day Saints. They feel it would obviously increase the odds he'd agree to a reasonable contract.
Quote(cur) (last) 21:39, 15 March 2007 Ajeagles (Talk | contribs) (this is just a joke for the benefit of some friends - sorry)
Way to apologize for it in advance.
:-D
ok now sign a backup RB not named dayne, and PLEASE FIX THE DEFENSE. spend the whole draft on D and the remaining FA moves.
if the money is at least equal to stallworth i wonder what spads will say when he claimed that the eagles couldnt offer stallworth the money pats offered him. i forget how much guranteed money did stallworth get? what was his signing bonus?
sweet, a white mormon wide receiver... i'm sponsoring him.
Quote from: Dillen on March 15, 2007, 06:12:54 PM
Quote(cur) (last) 21:39, 15 March 2007 Ajeagles (Talk | contribs) (this is just a joke for the benefit of some friends - sorry)
Way to apologize for it in advance.
:-D
I'm mostly ashamed I called you all my "friends".
Two reasons I'm not jumping for joy.
1. Curtis is nothing more than a good wide receiver. Yes, he played behind two Hall of Fame types in St. Louis and that's likely the reason he didn't start, but so what? He wasn't a starter and the Eagles paid him like one. So much for them being "comfortable" with the receivers. I would have preferred Stallworth for no other reason than he was familiar with the system and seemed to have a genuine rapport on the field with Donovan. Curtis won't have the opportunity to get in sync with Donovan this offseason either, nor will he have much opportunity to mesh with him at training camp or during the preseason games for obvious reasons. That could spell trouble next year especially if they revert back to being the pass-happy assmonkeys they were before Donovan got hurt.
2. Signing Curtis means the Eagles will AGAIN ignore the wide receiver position in the draft (although honestly - considering their track record with drafting receivers, that might not be such a bad thing). Curtis and Brown are both legitimate NFL receivers. I'm not going to suggest otherwise. But neither of them is a legitimate #1 receiver and if either one of them goes down, we're back to square one again with zesty receivers on the field. There are six legitimate first round receivers in this draft plus a couple of second-round tweener's. I think drafting one of them would have made more sense especially considering this really does appear to be a rebuilding-type year for the Birds.
Whatever, though. As always, I'm hopeful that the front office has made a shrewd decision. If they haven't, then they're definitely farged because they're paying a ton of money to their two starting receivers at this point and the backups they have aren't exactly ready for prime time.
BTW: I thought this ad was funny under the Curtis story on ESPN.com:
Quote
Free Jeff Garcia Jersey
Free Eagles Jeff Garcia Jersey! Participate Now & Get it Free!
www.sports-fitness-rewardpath.com
:-D
I don't trust the Eagles drafting WRs. I mean, Reggie was the only legit WR drafted in the past 8 years? Maybe longer? At least Andy and Co. seem inept at drafting them.
The last time the draft was "loaded" with WRs somehow the Eagles drafted FredEx, and passed on, I think, Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, and Chris Chambers (who has fallen off but still had some pretty good years).
All of which would have been 100x better than a guy that stalks high school girls.
The Eagles are the kings of Rookie FA. I think the Eagles prepare better for players that aren't drafted and finding them than they are in being able to weed out and pick top flight talent in the earlier rounds.
In fact, the Eagles aren't really good at drafting any one position -- maybe CB. Its always hit and miss. For every Andrews there is a Scott Young, and for every Trent Cole there is a Jerome McDougle.
Rounds 1-3 are supposed to be the most exciting, but, if anything, the Eagles make better acquisitions in the later rounds. Or, at least what I've noticed is that Rounds 1-2 the Eagles are completely inept at picking talent (save some abberations; the 2nd round has been decent if the 2nd rounds picks are closer to the 3rd round), rounds 3-4 are when the Eagles seemingly do the best in drafting, and then 5-7 has produced some great/good talent and some players that were horrible.
So horrible, good, and then horrible. It's a crappy sandwich!
I think they got good value for Avant, that was a good pick, but Fredex sucked. So did NA.
what has avant ever done to be a value pick...or for that matter not a value pick
he has somehow been annointed a nfl wide receiver and i cant figure out why and when it happened
If he farging takes the field, he'll show that he can be a possession reciever. I just hope Greggie is gone, viia trade :paranoid
at least avant is black
tru dat
This seems to be a solid signing. I wouldn't call it anything other than that. This should allow the Eagles to concentrate heavily on the defensive side in the draft. I still would like to see them bring in Mike Doss if that is even possible anymore.
God still makes white wide receivers? ???
Quote from: SunMo on March 15, 2007, 05:48:09 PM
i love how a violation of the substance abuse policy = drug problem
right?
I'm also agreeing with
vigy re: Avant. He's done nothing one way or the other.
Avant is never going to be anything special. He's going to be a real good possession receiver but wont ever be a stud. If he gets playing time, he will be like Marty Booker. He's the most polished WR on the team. He has the best hands on the team. He is a great guy to get the first downs over the middle.
I'll believe all that when I see it. (Cue vigy).
I already believe it. He had like 10 catches in the preseason, and then was real solid in the final game of the year. I know it's a small sample, but it is exactly what I expected.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 15, 2007, 06:21:00 PM
if the money is at least equal to stallworth i wonder what spads will say when he claimed that the eagles couldnt offer stallworth the money pats offered him. i forget how much guranteed money did stallworth get? what was his signing bonus?
He already back tracked on that when the details of Stallworth's contract came out.
As for Curtis, nice to see they finally did
something (no B. Johnson doesn't count, he might not even make the team) even if they should have kept Stallworth AND signed Curtis both..
I must be one of the very few that isn't that happy with this signing. I've watched Curtis for four years in St. Louis, and I remember hearing his name maybe three times in that four years as having a great game. Maybe a good compliment, but I think the money could have been spent better elsewhere, or earlier in the FA period when the Eagles were wallflowers.
Prove me wrong, whiteness.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 15, 2007, 09:26:24 PM
Prove me wrong, whiteness.
No doubt dook is going to have to earn the fans' respect, as he should.
Eagles fans bought Jeremy Bloom jerseys by the thousands.
Just food for thought.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2007, 09:33:19 PM
Eagles fans bought Jeremy Bloom jerseys by the thousands.
Just food for thought.
#11! It's like skis! Get it?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2007, 09:33:19 PM
Young female Eagles fans bought Jeremy Bloom jerseys by the thousands.
Just food for thought.
Fixed
so in the eagles eyes the only thing that prevented them from resigning stallworth was his injury problem?
doesnt make sense since donvan seems to get hurt a lot and so do other players on the team (both RBs).
was it his drug problem? again makes no sense since they have had and kept players with issues.
i mean its a good pickup considering what we had but i just cant be happy about this when we could have had a much more proven and a younger WR for pretty much the same money.
at least this means b johnson was signed just for ST as he should have been.
i wish we had the luxury of drafting a WR in a deep WR draft but im guessing the draft will be primarily for the D, especially the high picks.
I'm getting to this thread kinda late, sorry if this has been covered.
I wasn't huge on getting Stallworth back. Maybe I just like Kool-aid, but I agree with Heckert - 38 catches over 12 games doesn't justify a huge contract. Yeah, yeah, what the Patriots gave him wasn't huge, but the second year sure as hell is. And isn't it possible that the reports that Rosenhaus farged us are accurate?
I know very little about Curtis, other than he was the Greg Lewis of St Loo. He played behind two HOFers (I'll go farther than IGY). My understanding is he has great speed, and hasn't missed any games to injury. If he's as fast as Stallworth, which lets be honest is all he brought to the table, and is more likely to stay healthy (the substance abuse stuff is all bullshtein, IMO), then this is a good signing. We essentially broke even.
The ability of the FO to do talent eval is a little dicey (see Kearse, Jevon and Howard, Darren), but I like the signing. It sure beats the hell out of Baskett as the #2.
Stallworth was a very good big play receiver for this team. If Curtis can do the same, then I'll be happy.
Curtis, reportedly, has a lot of speed. However, looking at this receiving stats the past two years he only had longs in the low 40s. I'm just hoping he is utilized in order to take advantage of that speed, and that he will not be running a bunch of underneath routes and working the middle. That is what Avant and Baskett are for.
Brown/Curtis/Avant/Baskett combination isn't too bad. The group has more potential now. And I agree, it gives me less reservation about the receivers. Now, the Eagles just need a good short yardage back and can focus on Defense, which is a much greater concern for this team at this juncture. If the Eagles don't use the first 3 picks of the draft on either LBs or DBs (because I don't think I can stand another DL drafted in the first round, and even though the Eagles need DL help, the track record is to draft undersized linemen anyways, so it would probably be a wasted pick), I'll be annoyed. Put it this way; as long as a OL is not drafted, it is at least a step in the right direction.
It's better than nothing, but it's not really good.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 15, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: SunMo on March 15, 2007, 05:35:04 PM
somebody convince Lance Briggs to convert...ASAP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Briggs
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles would like to convert Briggs to the The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder-day Saints. They feel it would obviously increase the odds he'd agree to a reasonable contract.
I love the 'Ladder-day' part too. Couldn't you just see mormons having some crazy ceremony on ladder day?
QuoteOne of the NFL's fastest players, certainly in terms of straight-line speed
If Mcnabb can get Baskett a top 10 play of the year then this really might not be bad at all.
All things considered I think Curtis = Stallworth at this point.
Two teams have let Stallworth walk rather then resign him for some reason. hmm
I think everyone likes Stallworth because he has shown that he can get open. REALLY open very far down the field. I mean the separation he got on some plays was pretty darn good by NFL standards.
Curtis, however, hasn't really shown that ability. Stallworth has proven to Philly fans that he can get open for big plays. Curtis, while having the assets to burn someone deep, hasn't really displayed that the past 2 seasons (I think in his 2nd year in the league Curtis had a 80+ yard play). Moreover, even though Stallworth only had 38 catches, he had 700+ yards. When he did catch the ball, it almost always went for a long way.
You poor, starved bastiches. Five pages on James Thrash. Five pages on the Eagles adding another #4 receiver to compliment their developing #3 Reggie Brown.
Quote1. We admitted we were powerless over Concretefield - that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves (Joe Banner) could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of Dave Spadaro as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves (and found ourselves sadly lacking).
5. Admitted to Jeffrey Lurie, to ourselves, and to another human beings the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have Andy Reid remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Andy to remove our shortcomings (to which he replied, "time's yours").
8. Made a list of all free agents we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would cause us to miss Eagles Live.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly denied it.
11. Sought though sarcasm and derision to improve our conscious contact with Angelo Cataldi as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to Eagles fans and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
I see what you did there.
I think people are missing the big picture here. If the Eagles add Kevin Curtis to the WR's but only Ron Dayne to the RB's, then Reid will feel justified in passing no less than 60% of the time again.
Dammit.
I hired a guy to plant drugs and guns in Andy's car. Obviously, he screwed up. I think he spent a little too much time staking the big guy out. When I asked him what went wrong, he said "I've got to do a better job of that." Then he coughed all over my shoes when I punched him in the gut.
Im totally cool with passing the ball 60% of the time so long as we can stop the run 60% of the time.
From Prisco:
QuoteWhat a great move by the Philadelphia Eagles to land receiver Kevin Curtis on Thursday.
The Eagles lost Donte Stallworth to the New England Patriots in free agency, so they replaced him with a player just as fast and one who is ready to take on a bigger role.
Curtis has blazing speed, much like Stallworth, but in four seasons with the Rams he was more of a third receiver. In Philadelphia, he'll get a chance to start.
When given the chance to start for the Rams in 2005 because of an injury to Isaac Bruce, Curtis caught 60 passes and had six touchdowns, one an 83-yard catch and run. One defensive coordinator I spoke to this week who has faced Curtis said he thought he was ready to become a No. 1 receiver.
Give the Eagles front office their usual props. They know how to find talent.
When somebody leaves, they always seem to find just the right guy to replace him. Curtis will be better than Stallworth was for the Eagles.
Remains to be seen, but I like the high praise.
this is going to be just like when Az Hakim exploded after leaving the Rams!
VORP
He's just so white.
like when black comics make fun of white people, he's what they are talking about
cracka-ass cracka!
Is it fair to say that the general consensus now is that everyone isn't AS worried going into the season with Brown and Curtis instead of Brown and "fill in a rookie FA or late round draft choice" here?
If someone shakes loose I wouldn't mind adding someone else, but I think all the focus should be shifted towards providing a remedy on the defensive side. Hardcore.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 16, 2007, 10:23:14 AM
Im totally cool with passing the ball 60% of the time so long as we can stop the run 60% of the time.
They'll stop the run on 1st and 2nd downs. Sometimes on 3rd. Never on 4th. Sound good?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 16, 2007, 11:53:34 AM
From Prisco:
QuoteWhat a great move by the Philadelphia Eagles to land receiver Kevin Curtis on Thursday.
The Eagles lost Donte Stallworth to the New England Patriots in free agency, so they replaced him with a player just as fast and one who is ready to take on a bigger role.
Curtis has blazing speed, much like Stallworth, but in four seasons with the Rams he was more of a third receiver. In Philadelphia, he'll get a chance to start.
When given the chance to start for the Rams in 2005 because of an injury to Isaac Bruce, Curtis caught 60 passes and had six touchdowns, one an 83-yard catch and run. One defensive coordinator I spoke to this week who has faced Curtis said he thought he was ready to become a No. 1 receiver.
Give the Eagles front office their usual props. They know how to find talent.
When somebody leaves, they always seem to find just the right guy to replace him. Curtis will be better than Stallworth was for the Eagles.
Remains to be seen, but I like the high praise.
that defensive coordinator was prolly jim johnson after we signed curtis.
Quote from: Eaglez on March 16, 2007, 01:27:29 PM
Is it fair to say that the general consensus now is that everyone isn't AS worried going into the season with Brown and Curtis instead of Brown and "fill in a rookie FA or late round draft choice" here?
I'm OK with the WR's, I guess... as long as you consider that Westbrook and LJ are passing options as well.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 16, 2007, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Eaglez on March 16, 2007, 01:27:29 PM
Is it fair to say that the general consensus now is that everyone isn't AS worried going into the season with Brown and Curtis instead of Brown and "fill in a rookie FA or late round draft choice" here?
I'm OK with the WR's, I guess... as long as you consider that Westbrook and LJ are passing options as well.
Let's put it this way... I think the Eagles need at least 1 safety and at least 2 linebackers before they need anything else whatsoever on offense or special teams. That's not necessarily as much a ringing endorsement of the offense as it is a brutal truth about the defense.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 16, 2007, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Eaglez on March 16, 2007, 01:27:29 PM
Is it fair to say that the general consensus now is that everyone isn't AS worried going into the season with Brown and Curtis instead of Brown and "fill in a rookie FA or late round draft choice" here?
I'm OK with the WR's, I guess... as long as you consider that Westbrook and LJ are passing options as well.
dare I say Schoebel also showed some pass-catching abilty late last season.
Behind the scenes during the Curtis negotiation (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=859e4c37caae4ceb2e859f489462805e)
I'm pretty sure that's probably what happened.
Never saw that coming (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=9928925eb57dbc7db72485c143412ef5)
ahhh, the magic of cinema
Quote from: MDS on March 16, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
Never saw that coming (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=9928925eb57dbc7db72485c143412ef5)
:-D You fargers are ridiculous
Quote from: MDS on March 16, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
Never saw that coming (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=9928925eb57dbc7db72485c143412ef5)
Farging hilarious. :-D
Quote from: MDS on March 16, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
Never saw that coming (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=9928925eb57dbc7db72485c143412ef5)
:-D
Curtis showing off his speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJaFHrrC6wM)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 17, 2007, 12:11:22 AM
Curtis showing off his speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJaFHrrC6wM)
At least he held on to the ball.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 17, 2007, 12:11:22 AM
Curtis showing off his speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJaFHrrC6wM)
Down 14 with no time left in the game, and the Rams are airing it out down the sidelines and trying to get their receiver killed. That's the type of playcalling I expect from Andy this season.
Quote from: MDS on March 16, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
Never saw that coming (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=9928925eb57dbc7db72485c143412ef5)
MDS, guess what? (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=3019426822c5d4a828804ff6a930b9a4)
Quote from: hbionic on March 17, 2007, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: MDS on March 16, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
Never saw that coming (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=9928925eb57dbc7db72485c143412ef5)
MDS, guess what? (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=3019426822c5d4a828804ff6a930b9a4)
mine was better
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 17, 2007, 12:11:22 AM
Curtis showing off his speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJaFHrrC6wM)
Curtis should have strangled Bulger after that play. It was amazing he was able to hold onto the ball.
I like this signing. We needed a burner and the FO went out and got one. Curtis should step right into this offense and contribute. He's been playing behind two hall of famers in St. Louis. I think he could be as good as Brown if not better, given the chance.
Quote from: hbionic on March 17, 2007, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: MDS on March 16, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
Never saw that coming (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=9928925eb57dbc7db72485c143412ef5)
MDS, guess what? (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&l=uk&code=3019426822c5d4a828804ff6a930b9a4)
I didn't know that x-rays were used to diagnose AIDS; or bad gas for that matter.
I guess you don't know alot of things.
I give each movie two thumbs up. :yay :yay
The acting was quite good and the breathtaking panoramic cinamatography in the second movie I thought was outstanding.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/AIBAJKFHODOA/curtis070329.jpg)
Curtis will wear #80 like James Thrash
What the farg? That dude belongs on my dad's softball team... circa 1981.
What the farg?
lol
Quote from: rjs246 on March 29, 2007, 02:08:50 PM
What the farg? That dude belongs on my dad's softball team... circa 1981.
Or on your desk calendar...circa 2007
;)
I can't get over that picture. Nice farging part, moptop.
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9991/emorly3ae.jpg)
(http://img.search.com/thumb/5/5f/EdwardNortonProfilePic.jpg/220px-EdwardNortonProfilePic.jpg)
I LOVE that pic. farging fantastic.
That pic is farging hilarious...
Him and Jeremy Bloom have a bright modeling future.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 29, 2007, 03:25:09 PM
(http://img.search.com/thumb/5/5f/EdwardNortonProfilePic.jpg/220px-EdwardNortonProfilePic.jpg)
:-D
White wide recievers really are that dorky.
They see me mowin'
My front lawn
my barber was on vacation last week, so i went to i different guy, and he parted my hair before he finished. i kept it the whole day.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 29, 2007, 09:16:10 PM
They see me mowin'
My front lawn
Ha! Excellent Weird Al reference.
any predictions on how well he will do?
i say around 40-50 receptions with about 6 TDs.
16 catches, 1584 yds, 16 td, 99 ypc.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2007, 04:40:55 PM
16 catches, 1584 yds, 16 td, 99 ypc.
I was thinking more like 1584 catches for 16 yards.
WEST COAST OFFENSE!
any predictions on how well he will do?
No one is going to say that Curtis is better than Stallworth, but IMO he is close. Have you ever seen the guy play or are you just ripping the signing for the sake of it. I'd rather have Stallworth, and am still a little annoyed that he isn't back, but we aren't losing Chad Johnson here. Donte Stallworth is NOT a stud #1 WR. He drops balls, he isn't durable.
I think Reid just said Curtis is a more precise route runner. I can't remember for sure but I think he said that referring to all the receivers last year.
curtis is basically greg lewis...perhaps a little better but not much
You should actually watch him play once before making that assumption. :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2007, 08:36:42 PM
curtis is basically greg lewis...perhaps a little better but not much
hyperbolic genius
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 30, 2007, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2007, 04:40:55 PM
16 catches, 1584 yds, 16 td, 99 ypc.
I was thinking more like 1584 catches for 16 yards.
They're moving him to RB?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 30, 2007, 06:57:55 PM
I was thinking more like 1584 catches for 16 yards.
Thomas Tapeh's projected career numbers.
hyperbolic genius
not really...in mike martz fun and gun behind two hall of famers his numbers werent astronomically better than lewis' have been...lets see what curtis does now as the supposed #1 or 2 guy in reids offense
like i said hes probably better but not by a ton
If he's only better than Greg Lewis by "not by much", then this was a horrible signing.
Greg Lewis: (2004-2006)
17 Receptions, 183 Yards, 0 TD
48 Receptions, 561 Yards, 1 TD
24 Receptions, 348 Yards, 2 TDs
Kevin Curtis (2004-2006)
32 Receptions, 421 Yards, 2 TDs
60 Receptions, 801 Yards, 6 TDs
40 Receptions, 479, 4 TDs
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He definitely scores more, and he's more of a deep threat. Curtis can probably put up similar numbers in this offense that he put up in his 2nd year with the Rams. And I'm find with that. Maybe even a couple of more TDs and a few more receptions. WRs don't get a ton of balls in this offense, so I'll be happy with that. But, who knows, maybe the offense will be more WR-centered this year and Curtis blows up like another unknown white-boy (i.e. Furrey), but probably not.
I just don't think the WRs are going to make or break this team. Right now they are fine. I'm not all for wasting another draft pick on a WR when the Eagles probably have their 4 deep for this year (Brown, Curtis, Baskett, Avant). Barring some injury, that's the group. This team still needs LB and secondary depth. Focus on that.
he scores more and gets more receptions because the martz offense is all about going down field...plus he could run wild vs the other teams secondary with all the attention being on bruce and holt
lets just say curtis is closer to greg lewis than he is donte stallworth
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2007, 01:46:49 PM
lets just say curtis is closer to greg lewis than he is donte stallworth
No, let's not.
i know it is kinda depressing....i promise to never repeat
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2007, 08:36:42 PM
curtis is basically greg lewis...perhaps a little better but not much
LOL
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2007, 08:36:42 PM
curtis is basically greg lewis...perhaps a little better but not much
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9093/bpplogooe2.jpg)
Curtis put up numbers better than Lewis has as a no.3 behind two all pro's. He's much better far as I'm concerened. He seems quicker, like he gets down the field faster. He catches more TD's. He's been playing with Bulger, and I can't wait to see how he does with Dmac throwing to him. I think he can walk in and play as good as Brown. I look for around 65-70 catches and around 8-9 td's.
Quote from: shorebird on April 01, 2007, 01:37:13 PM
He's been playing with Bulger, and I can't wait to see how he does with Dmac throwing to him.
Bulger is a career 64.4% passer.
McNabb is a career 58% passer.
Why would a receiver do better with McNabb than with Bulger again? Even TO's numbers were down when he was here and he had had Jeff farging Garcia throwing to him in San Fran.
Quote from: shorebird on April 01, 2007, 01:37:13 PM
I think he can walk in and play as good as Brown. I look for around 65-70 catches and around 8-9 td's.
Those numbers are SO much better than Brown's that I don't even know where to begin mocking you.
Bulger doesn't have half the arm Dmac does. TO had the best year of any receiver in Eagles history. farg percentages, Dmac makes guys better.
Who said anything about comparing the numbers of Brown and Curtis? Actually, doing so would be stupid considering the fact Curtis has been a no.3 behind Bruce and Holt.
I'll go on record saying that Curtis can play as good as or better than Brown, and will do so this year. Go ahead and Mock me, heaven forbid anybody say anything positive about a FO move. Just remember it if you get proven wrong....again. ;D
Quote from: shorebird on April 01, 2007, 01:56:01 PM
Bulger doesn't have half the arm Dmac does. TO had the best year of any receiver in Eagles history. farg percentages, Dmac makes guys better.
Tom Brady makes guys better. Donovan McNabb has never made anyone better than he already was. TO is the perfect example of that.
And YOU were the one who said that Curtis "can walk in and play as good as Brown. I look for around 65-70 catches and around 8-9 td's." So YOU are the one who brought up statistics.
You lose.
No.
TO set a record in TD's for himself, and was hurt the last three games of the season, so yes, Dmac made him better. If not, then why did TO suck ass so bad last year with the great phenom Romo from Dallas throwing to him? He had his worst year ever, dropped more balls than any receiver in the game.
I wasn't comparing numbers, I was predicting numbers. Theres no way to compare Brown to Curtis until this coming year.
Expecting 8 or 9 TDs for Curtis isn't very likely, but it's possible. However, 65-70 catches is ridiculous. If Curtis gets that many TDs, there is no chance in hell he gets that many catches. The majority of his TDs are going to be long passes. I bet he'd get 2 TDs at most inside the redzone.
50 catches and 5 TDs is realistic. That's what I'm expecting. You'll see probably about 60 catches for Reggie, L.J, and Westbrook. No way you can have Curtis getting more.
40-45 catches and 5 td's for Curtis seems realistic barring injury to himself or another player. Had Stallworth not missed those 4 games last year, I still wouldn't see him finishing with much more than 50-55 catches so I can't/won't expect that from Curtis. I'll also go with about 600 yards recieving and, what the hell, 32 yards rushing.
Curtis is just another option in the 'team approach' passing game that the Birds run. They'll spread the ball around to whomever's open even if it's Tapeh over Brown. Yay!
Dmac makes guys better
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Yes. Case in point... Ronde Barber.
It's hard to imagine how anyone can argue that McNabb makes the players around him better when TO was the only receiver to have cracked 1000 yards and even his numbers were (on pace to be) down from his average.
This isn't a receiver friendly offense, and McNabb doesn't elevate the players around him. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player. That doesn't mean that I don't want him on the team. It means that he isn't Tom Brady and probably never will be.
forget tom brady
mcnabb isnt even drew brees
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2007, 08:14:29 AM
forget tom brady
mcnabb isnt even drew brees
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)
Ha!
Quote from: rjs246 on April 02, 2007, 08:09:22 AM
It's hard to imagine how anyone can argue that McNabb makes the players around him better when TO was the only receiver to have cracked 1000 yards and even his numbers were (on pace to be) down from his average.
This isn't a receiver friendly offense, and McNabb doesn't elevate the players around him. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player. That doesn't mean that I don't want him on the team. It means that he isn't Tom Brady and probably never will be.
I dont think that could be any less correct.
in 2004 owens had 15.6 yards PC, he never played a full season with a higher average, the two times he had a higher average was in 1998 (16.4 starting 10 games, playing in 16) and in 2005 (16.2 playing/starting 7 games)
2004 was the 2nd highest TD total (14) in his career. (16 in 01, on of the rare times he actually played as a started in all 16 games)
2004 with 9 catches over 40 yards, his career best, by far.
His stats for 04...had he played all 16 games would have been 88 catches, 1371 yards, 16 TDs which would have been his 3rd best statistical season.
There is not one instance in 2004, where any stat would have brought down Owens career average.
OK, I'll stand corrected there. Can we agree that 2004 represents an average year for Owens in his prime? I think we can.
So again, McNabb didn't make him any better. Owens was still Owens.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 02, 2007, 10:29:58 AM
OK, I'll stand corrected there. Can we agree that 2004 represents an average year for Owens in his prime? I think we can.
So again, McNabb didn't make him any better. Owens was still Owens.
You could argue that Owens in his prime is a player of a caliber that you just don't make any better but I won't.
I just want to know why the Eagles never go out and try to get a receiver with at least half his talent given the results on the field. It's a travesty.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 02, 2007, 10:29:58 AM
So again, McNabb didn't make him any better. Owens was still Owens.
Yeah, right. Thats why Owens was so good last year.
What does that have to do with anything? He put the best numbers of his career up with Jeff Garcia throwing to him. Owens had Terry Glenn across the field from him and didn't get the ball thrown his way NEARLY as often as he did in SF or Philly. He also played the entire year with injuries and still rocked more than 1000 yards.
McNabb did nothing for him. He, on the other hand, had a huge impact on McNabb. McNabb's completion %, TDs and yards were the best of his career when he had TO to throw to.
You're flat out wrong about this. McNabb elevates no one. But keep smashing your head into that wall.
McNabb elevates Andy.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 02, 2007, 04:06:35 PM
What does that have to do with anything?
If TO is so farging great and McNabb did nothing to elevate his game, then why did he suck so bad with Romo thorwing to him?? He had a career year with the Eagles and McNabb after he left San Fran. Then he leaves the Eagles and has the worst year of his career, dropping passes, killing drives, costing them a playoff game with that third down drop that was right in his hands.
I'd like to know what him doing good with Jeff Garcia thorwing to him has to do with anything. Garcia was a pro-bowl qb. Now we are seeing TO isn't as good as everyone thought.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 02, 2007, 04:06:35 PM
You're flat out wrong about this. McNabb elevates no one. But keep smashing your head into that wall.
Your opinion is so twisted by your miserable attitude that nothing you say can really be taken as an honest, unbiased opinion. Therefore, you telling me I'm flat out wrong about McNabb is like farting in a stiff breeze. It ain't having no effect.
i think i'm going to buy a curtis jersey, and then part my hair for every game i attend this year.
Shorebird you seem to think that TO had an unusually good year whne he was with the Eagles. He didn't have a career year with the Eagles. He had a better year than any Eagle has had, but it wasn't his best year, or even his second best year. WRONG.
A combination of McNabb, the fact that the Eagles pass so much, the other weapons like Westbrook to open it up all elevated TO. McNabb certainly helped elevate his game. He doesn't elevate QBs like Brady or Manning do, but after that he is right there.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 02, 2007, 04:31:34 PM
Shorebird you seem to think that TO had an unusually good year whne he was with the Eagles. He didn't have a career year with the Eagles. He had a better year than any Eagle has had, but it wasn't his best year, or even his second best year. WRONG.
If he had not have gotten' hurt, it could have been.
I will agree that TO made McNabb better also, one fed of the other, but one of the reasons I think McNabb made TO better, for the second time asking is, if he didn't have his game elevated by McNabb, then why didn't he do the same with Dallas? Why didn't TO make Romo better? Becuase of Glenn?? I laugh at that. TO is supposed to be a much better player.
You think I'm wrong, I don't. If TO has a great year this year, and McNabb, Curtis and the Eagles offense suck, then I'll be proven wrong. Not because of what you or anyone else says.
If McNabb truly made TO better, then TO wouldn't have started acting like a flamming douchebag. Had TO not been hurt then his numbers may have seen an increase compared to previous years but part of the reason for that is because the Eagles/McNabb went out of their way to make sure that TO got his opportunities, not because McNabb "brought out the best in him" on the field. TO didn't play inspired football because of some burning desire to earn McNabb's gratitude.
Sorry SB, I think you're off on this one. TO did a lot more for McNabb than the other way around.
And this was funny.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 02, 2007, 04:15:02 PM
McNabb elevates Andy.
Maybe it's not a case of TO "making McNabb better", but maybe stiffs like Thrash, Small, Johnson, etc... weren't there holding him back.
Generally, you have better receivers... you're going to look better as a QB. Unless you think Peyton Manning would still be on his way to breaking all kinds of passing records with Thrash and Pinkston as his starters instead of Harrison and Wayne.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 02, 2007, 06:45:39 PM
If McNabb truly made TO better, then TO wouldn't have started acting like a flamming douchebag.
Ha! McNabb is an NFL quarterback... not a miracle worker. TO was averaging damn near a TD per game on a 9-1 team at the time he points to when things started to go bad.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 02, 2007, 07:47:00 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 02, 2007, 06:45:39 PM
If McNabb truly made TO better, then TO wouldn't have started acting like a flamming douchebag.
Ha! McNabb is an NFL quarterback... not a miracle worker.
That was kind of the point. McNabb wasn't making TO a better football player so the only way that he could have "helped" TO was to make him less of an idiot.
Again... he was averaging almost a TD a game in '04... what more exactly was McNabb supposed to do for him? How much better (after 8 years in the league) was TO gonna get?
TO wasn't putting up those numbers because McNabb made him a better player. TO put up those numbers because McNabb wasn't afraid to throw to TO when covered like he was with Johnson, Small, Thrash, Pinkston, etc.
Reid drew the gameplan up to get TO the ball.
McNabb wanted to throw to TO.
TO did way more for McNabb than McNabb did for TO.
So you're saying that because McNabb had a WR who was consistently open.... he threw that WR the ball... and good things happened.
Ahhhhh... OK.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 02, 2007, 07:47:00 PM
Maybe it's not a case of TO "making McNabb better", but maybe stiffs like Thrash, Small, Johnson, etc... weren't there holding him back.
I think we've been arguing despite being in agreement on the main point which is TO made McNabb better.
No... not exactly. I think '04 is what McNabb would be doing year in and year out if not for being surrounded by stiffs who can't catch Herpes his whole career.
I think TO showed how bad the FO has farged up McNabb's career as far as numbers are concerned.
Yes... I actually said "stiffs who can't catch Herpes"...
McNabb had a nice compliment of receivers last year, and his numbers were only OK before he got injured.
If leading the league in TD passes, having the 2nd best QB rating of your career and being talked up as an MVP candidate is only OK... then we agree.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 02, 2007, 08:21:33 PM
No... not exactly. I think '04 is what McNabb would be doing year in and year out if not for being surrounded by stiffs who can't catch Herpes his whole career.
I think TO showed how bad the FO has farged up McNabb's career as far as numbers are concerned.
Yes... I actually said "stiffs who can't catch Herpes"...
Listen to this man!! If McNabb had a top caliber reciever to work with for even part of his career like almost every other great QB in the history of the league this would be a different story.
By 'Part of is career' I should say more then one year with someone who isn't a head case...
You guys OD'd on obvious pills today, didn't you?
Feva is smart. Sarge, not so much.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 02, 2007, 08:55:28 PM
If leading the league in TD passes, having the 2nd best QB rating of your career and being talked up as an MVP candidate is only OK... then we agree.
link?
so the better wr's a qb has the better the qb will be?
i dont believe it
Apparently... neither does Andy Reid.
If Curtis can come in here and catch 55-60 balls, get 800 yards, score between 6-8 TDs, and a few of those TDs are 50+ in order to demonstrate that he can stretch the field, then I'll say that he is a good pick up. And I think that is completely do-able for Curtis. If Reggie can do the same, but maybe have 60-65 catches for closer to 1000 and 7-9 TDs then I think that would be a good tandem considering the emphasis the WRs get in this offense. In fact, if those numbers materialize then that would probably be the best tandem the Eagles would have had in recent memory, in that two WRs would be viable targets and it would be an even distribution of catches and play making ability.
All I'm saying is that I'm OK with Curtis and I think he can do well. He's not a superstar but I think he has the ability to be consistently above average and make some nice plays in this offense. When I evaluate Curtis I think he's a notch below Reggie Brown more than he is a notch above Greg Lewis.
If Curtis can come in here and catch 55-60 balls, get 800 yards, score between 6-8 TDs, and a few of those TDs are 50+ in order to demonstrate that he can stretch the field, then I'll say that he is a good pick up
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All I'm saying is that (1) That's pretty much what I expect out of him; nothing too great but numbers that make him an above average/good WR; and (2) those numbers are reachable, I think, given his talent and the number of balls that will be thrown his way. It seems like people have inflated expectations and/or under-value him. He'll more likely than not be a solid pick-up judging by his past numbers and other intangibles that have been made evident over the past few weeks.
Of course if he produces = he's a good pick-up is pretty manifest, what I was going after was that don't expect 1,000 yards and 10 TDs and don't expect 300 yards and 2 TDs. He will most likely be a solid player in this offense, and I'm fine with having 2 solid WRs.
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I'm really looking forward to the 245 yards he contributes this year.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 13, 2007, 03:36:52 AM
I'm really looking forward to the 245 yards he contributes this year.
275 yards, 2 TDs. I'll take the over. BET!
Reverses and shtein don't count.
He has the highest score on the Wonderlick test of all players...
Team Curtis can't wait for Kevin to get on the field and outperform Stallworth this year.
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)
http://eagleschronicles.blogspot.com/2007/03/philadelphia-will-love-kevin-curtis.html
I almost forgot about this:
http://eagleschronicles.blogspot.com/2007/03/todd-pinkston-alligator-arms.html
http://eagleschronicles.blogspot.com/2007/03/philadelphia-will-love-kevin-curtis.html
theres a fine line bwtn bravery and stupidity
and as soon as my lungs stopped bleeding im punching bulger in his face for throwing that ball
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 22, 2007, 04:02:17 PM
I almost forgot about this:
http://eagleschronicles.blogspot.com/2007/03/todd-pinkston-alligator-arms.html
The combination of Theisman and Pinky acting like a vadge make me want to kick a kitten!
My man is killing it in training camp. I'm predicting 800-1000 yards and 8 tds.
Quote from: shorebird on April 01, 2007, 01:37:13 PM
I can't wait to see how he does with Dmac throwing to him. I think he can walk in and play as good as Brown. I look for around 8-9 td's.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 07, 2007, 03:24:14 PM
My man is killing it in training camp. I'm predicting 800-1000 yards and 8 tds.
Watch it, we might see McNabb make him a better receiver.
Bulger was a horrible QB ::) Curtis is going to have more opportunities to get balls here than he did in St Louis period.
curtis will be a better wr here than stl
at least numbers wise
because hes competing with the likes of
greg lewis reggie brown jason avant and hank baskett
versus torry holt and issac bruce
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2007, 04:08:10 PM
curtis will be a better wr here than stl
at least numbers wise
because hes competing with the likes of
greg lewis reggie brown jason avant and hank baskett
versus torry holt and issac bruce
Reggie Brown = Chad Johnson < Kevin Curtis ???
im just hoping the receivers hold on to the damn ball. remember last year when they went on a streak of having the most drops out of all the teams! what the hell
yeah, I remember that. I also remember they stopped that routine when Garcia started throwing the passes
Baskett was talking about it on the daily eagle the other day. He mentioned that the first bit of advise he got last year was to always wear your gloves when McNabb throws because the stitching will literally rip your hands apart when he throws the ball.
Ouch.
the stitching and the stomach acid still left on the ball
Quote from: Diomedes on August 07, 2007, 05:52:14 PM
yeah, I remember that. I also remember they stopped that routine when Garcia started throwing the passes
cry me a river. your not an nfl receiver if you cant catch a bullet, uncalled for. they caught the ball just fine in the beginning. lost concentration like the rest of the team in the middle and then ended strong...sorta...
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 07, 2007, 03:24:14 PM
My man is killing it in training camp. I'm predicting 800-1000 yards and 8 tds.
I don't know about 800-1000 but I say somewhere between 700-850 and 45-55 catches. I do think they are going to run more this year so that is mainly the reason. I still think Reggie will be the #1 WR in catches and yards.
Quote from: mussa on August 07, 2007, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 07, 2007, 05:52:14 PM
yeah, I remember that. I also remember they stopped that routine when Garcia started throwing the passes
cry me a river. your not an nfl receiver if you cant catch a bullet, uncalled for. they caught the ball just fine in the beginning. lost concentration like the rest of the team in the middle and then ended strong...sorta...
Wow, great points. Throwing a catchable ball isn't a desirable trait at all.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 07, 2007, 05:52:14 PM
yeah, I remember that. I also remember they stopped that routine when Garcia started throwing the passes
Someone forgot to tell stallworth that then.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 07, 2007, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: mussa on August 07, 2007, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 07, 2007, 05:52:14 PM
yeah, I remember that. I also remember they stopped that routine when Garcia started throwing the passes
cry me a river. your not an nfl receiver if you cant catch a bullet, uncalled for. they caught the ball just fine in the beginning. lost concentration like the rest of the team in the middle and then ended strong...sorta...
Wow, great points. Throwing a catchable ball isn't a desirable trait at all.
If Ronde Barber can catch them, Reggie Brown has no excuse.
^^^^
lol
seriously mussa is exactly right...get over it you pussified wr's...like no ones ever been in the league whos thrown a harder ball than mcnabb...catch the effin ball and shut your mouths
I think a heavy ball in the NFL is a catchable ball. McNabb needs to fit it into coverage and having a strong arm is ideal for that. I'd cut the WRs some slack if it is a bullet right into the ground, but if McNabb keeps it above the knees and around the chest I don't think there are many excuses to drop the pass.
the worm burners are obviously the qb's fault...but this "oooooh it hurts my fingies when he throws it" crap has to go...youre a friggin nfl wr for god sakes
i never heard a peep out of TO re: donovans ball
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 08:53:08 AM
i never heard a peep out of TO re: donovans ball
T.O >= Kevin Curtis??
07 bethlehem kevin curtis > 06 bethlehem hank baskett
Kevin Curtis Hysteria?!?!
catch it!
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e368/junkinessblog/hasselhoff.jpg)
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 06:30:55 AM
^^^^
lol
seriously mussa is exactly right...get over it you pussified wr's...like no ones ever been in the league whos thrown a harder ball than mcnabb...catch the effin ball and shut your mouths
The only person who has ever played in the NFL and thrown the ball harder than McNabb is Brett Favre.
haha, yeah sure
lololol
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 08, 2007, 12:35:56 PM
The only person who has ever played in the NFL and thrown the ball harder than McNabb is Brett Favre.
John Elway, Warren Moon & Dan Marino (off the top of my head) said what up...
shtein michael vick throws it much harder
just because you sometimes throw it harder than you should doesnt mean you throw the hardest
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 12:57:53 PM
shtein michael vick throws it much harder
Bullcrap. He might throw it
as hard at times, but not harder, and damn shore not
much harder.
i guess you missed when he threw the ball out the stadium johnson
Yeah, hit that dog out in the parking lot and killed it.
HA! Alot of those drops were catchable. Hit them right in the hands or chest. Hell they dn't count the uncatchable ones as drops....come on!
Its always McNabbs fault! He must of puked on the ball! He's must of told a bad joke....shut the farg up already
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 03:44:55 PM
i guess you missed when he threw the ball out the stadium johnson
I'm hoping this is sarcasm.
And yeah, if the ball hits you in the hands, you catch it. That's what they're paid millions to do.
Quote from: Munson on August 08, 2007, 06:08:15 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 03:44:55 PM
i guess you missed when he threw the ball out the stadium johnson
I'm hoping this is sarcasm.
are you really that stupid or is it all part of your im forever drunk on the internet steeze
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 07:12:55 PM
Quote from: Munson on August 08, 2007, 06:08:15 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 03:44:55 PM
i guess you missed when he threw the ball out the stadium johnson
I'm hoping this is sarcasm.
are you really that stupid or is it all part of your im forever drunk on the internet steeze
I wonder the same thing about your stupidity, igs.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 08, 2007, 12:55:52 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 08, 2007, 12:35:56 PM
The only person who has ever played in the NFL and thrown the ball harder than McNabb is Brett Favre.
John Elway, Warren Moon & Dan Marino (off the top of my head) said what up...
BRETT FAVRE!!
So.........I know it's only halfway into pre-season, but any Eagle fan has to like what he sees so far from Curtis. Gets off the line well without getting jammed, gets open, great hands.....whats not to like?
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 06:29:38 AM
So.........I know it's only halfway into pre-season, but any Eagle fan has to like what he sees so far from Curtis. Gets off the line well without getting jammed, gets open, great hands.....whats not to like?
Dude, he's white.
... and mormon.
but more importantly... white.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 21, 2007, 11:11:07 AM
but more importantly... white.
Is there ever a chance of you responding seriously to anything I post, or will I continue to be subjected to your grade school tired old drivel?
Besides, he's white, thats why I like him.
(http://outsideinkorea.com/images/content/thats_racist.gif)
I like McNabb better than Curtis, so there.
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 02:25:36 PM
I like McNabb better than Curtis, so there.
Most racists respond with the "Well, my best friend/favorite Eagles is black!" line 99% of time. Try again Grandmaster.
plus it was established long ago that MCNABB IS NOT BLACK!!
Yeah, like you aren't white.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 02:32:40 PM
plus it was established long ago that MCNABB IS NOT BLACK!!
He's blue da boo de da boo dye.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 21, 2007, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 02:25:36 PM
I like McNabb better than Curtis, so there.
Most racists respond with the "Well, my best friend/favorite Eagles is black!" line 99% of time. Try again Grandmaster.
That was sarcasm directed at sarcasm you farging prick.
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 02:38:37 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 21, 2007, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: shorebird on August 21, 2007, 02:25:36 PM
I like McNabb better than Curtis, so there.
Most racists respond with the "Well, my best friend/favorite Eagles is black!" line 99% of time. Try again Grandmaster.
That was sarcasm directed at sarcasm you farging prick.
Well that was sarcasm directed at sarcasm that was directed at sarcasm you douche nozzle. ;D
Douche Nozzle?? lol! I've filed that one away.
I hate the chinese. Discuss.
shuddap before I burn a cross in your front yard.
是性交
if IMACS gave blowjobs the chinese would never come out of their houses...except to rock turtle necks and cheesy leather jackets in seedy pool halls
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 02:54:43 PM
I hate the chinese. Discuss.
I like chinese food.
QuoteThe world today seems absolutely crackers,
With nuclear bombs to blow us all sky high.
There's fools and idiots sitting on the trigger.
It's depressing and it's senseless, and that's why...
I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're always friendly, and they're ready to please.
I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
There's nine hundred million of them in the world today.
You'd better learn to like them; that's what I say.
I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They come from a long way overseas,
But they're cute and they're cuddly, and they're ready to please
I like Chinese food.
The waiters never are rude.
Think of the many things they've done to impress.
There's Maoism, Taoism, I Ching, and Chess.
So I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.
I like Chinese thought,
The wisdom that Confucious taught.
If Darwin is anything to shout about,
The Chinese will survive us all without any doubt.
So, I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're wise and they're witty, and they're ready to please.
All together.
[verse in Chinese]
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Ni hao ma; ni hao ma; ni hao ma; zaijien! (How are you; how are you; how are you; goodbye!)
I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
Their food is guaranteed to please,
A fourteen, a seven, a nine, and lychees.
I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.
I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees...
I was just hoping to offend someone. How disappointing.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2007, 10:04:41 PM
I was just hoping to offend someone. How disappointing.
I hate beer.
Are you trying to offend someone or simply prove you're a dee dee dee?
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 21, 2007, 10:20:08 PM
Are you trying to offend someone or simply prove you're a dee dee dee?
I really don't have any clue what a "dee dee dee," is, but somehow I picture you as a perfect example.
At least I'm not fat. Zing.
We brought in the wrong white guy. Wes Welker is playing well in New England. I might have to renounce my sponsorship.
tom brady with his eyes closed could turn kevin curtis into a 100 catch guy
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:43:11 AM
tom brady with his eyes closed could turn kevin curtis into a 100 catch guy
This goes without saying.
Agreed. Welker is no better than Curtis. His coaches and his quarterback are far superior, however.
Scratch my last post. Team Curtis is proud of Kevin and his record-tying first half. White Lightning.
Curtis faces more scrutiny as a WR because he's white.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 23, 2007, 07:55:27 PM
Curtis faces more scrutiny as a WR because he's white.
It's true... just ask Joe Jurevicious.
Kevin Curtis = GOD
(http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/temp/9914F42BE5CC44EABC2C7C2E86AEF5D8.jpg)
Sweet.
they'll only get me if the back reads:
W. LIGHTENING
Speaking of those jerseys...Modells had them marked down to $15 for replicas and $25 authentics on black friday
Thanks. I'll make sure to warm up my time machine and travel back to last friday and get one.
Don't even try to use that shtein cold..you might end up who knows where.
I love signing up for those credit card offers. I got a Sheldon Brown autographed jersey last year.
Kevin Curtis is the most productive receiver on the team, and he has the stats to back it up.
50 recpts. 793 yds. 15.9 avg. 75 lng. 4 td's.
Not many td's, but his total yards and avg. per catch aren't too shabby. Bwest is the only other player to come close to his stats.
1,000?
207 yards in 5 games? most likely.
I liked the signing from the beggining and he's done better than Stallworth did here. But I agree with pretty much everyone else in saying I wish they just woulda signed both of them.
If they had they would have had some decent weapons, but in their defense, they were expecting the almost non-existant Reggie Brown to have stepped his game up. Didn't happen. He's another example of the fact that Reid can't draft receivers and his thinking that anyone who can run a pattern can fit in this offense and be productive.
White Lightnin'. :yay