go ahead defend him
This is what I want:
(http://grani.ru/images/hanging_rope.jpg)
I hope he gets fired. That fat farging icehole.
That game smelled like Andy's playcalling. I don't know if he was calling them or not, but it seemed like he had his hand in the cookie jar. Too much passing on 1st down.
Although, I will say that the defense was absolutely atrocious. The tackling was non existant and the middle of the field was wide open all game long. Billy farging Miller looked like a super star.
but but but - he's done so much good! you're just judging him on one conservative playcall! it's not fair! he passed greasy neale! Philly is lucky to have him! he cured AIDS babies in africa with the mormons! he had the foresight to relinquish playcalling duties to a guy who also pusses out when the game's on the line!
farg him - Jeff Garcia for head coach - change the standard unis to the pink johnsons they're selling now
they can use the faggy lime green as an alternate
I'm going out drinking. Anyone wanna go?
:paranoid
I came home with a 12-pack around 6:30 - there is only cardboard in my refrigerator.
HOW MANY YARDS DID DONTE FINISH WITH?!?
and it's not just the 4th down punt call, which is the worst call ever.
it's the personel decisions....Dhani Jones, Sean Considine, Darwin Walker
just terrible
That was a ridiculously stupid call. Obviously.
But that doesn't take away from all the retards that bash him indiscriminately for really negligible stuff.
I don't think Anyone minds bashing Andy if the bashing has merit. But a lot of the Andy bashing on this board usually is meritless.
This is a legitimate call to get upset about -- it gave the Eagles NO SHOT to possibly win the game or tie it. But most of the time all the Reid bashers nit pick about stuff that doesn't matter.
HOW CAN YOU PASS ON 3RD AND 1 IN THE fargING LIKE 4 YARD LINE?!?!?!
CMON ANDY!! :boom
Andy rulez - drunken know-it-all iceholes bitch ass Eagles fans are teh suck.
Seriously, anyone wanna go drinkin'??
:-\
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 13, 2007, 11:23:50 PM
HOW MANY YARDS DID DONTE FINISH WITH?!?
Just guessing, but I'd say about 87 yards on 2 catches. 75 coming on 1 play obviously.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 13, 2007, 11:22:18 PM
I'm going out drinking. Anyone wanna go?
:paranoid
blenders whipping up some margarita's right now!
In the end, the decision that cost them this game was giving Scott Young a roster spot. I love Andy's project players.
farg drinking...i just want to go to bed
Quote from: SunMo on January 13, 2007, 11:24:02 PM
and it's not just the 4th down punt call, which is the worst call ever.
it's the personel decisions....Dhani Jones, Sean Considine, Darwin Walker
just terrible
Hopefully those mistakes will be remedied in the coming months.
I can't believe that false start. Unreal.
It was probably a false start by definition, but it was so minute that I can't believe the refs actually saw it.
but they won the division even though mcnabb went down...andy's a genius.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 13, 2007, 11:26:08 PM
In the end, the decision that cost them this game was giving Scott Young a roster spot. I love Andy's project players.
I sure hope you let the boys over at PTATE know about it.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 13, 2007, 11:26:08 PM
In the end, the decision that cost them this game was giving Scott Young a roster spot. I love Andy's project players.
Young's an easy target. Tough spot for any lineman to come into a game, on the road, in a dome having gotten little to no work with the first team.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 13, 2007, 11:26:08 PM
In the end, the decision that cost them this game was giving Scott Young a roster spot. I love Andy's project players.
Agreed.
I thought Scott Young could handle it. Actually, no I didn't. I thought he was a complete project with no business being on the roster, but whatever. . .
I'm out of here. Going drinking down the street. I love you guys. If I never see you again, well, what do you care?
by the way....Trotter is done as done
Andy's call at 4th at 15 was horrible. HORRIBLE.
The defense was far worse than the offense, but that last call lost game.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 13, 2007, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 13, 2007, 11:26:08 PM
In the end, the decision that cost them this game was giving Scott Young a roster spot. I love Andy's project players.
Young's an easy target. Tough spot for any lineman to come into a game, on the road, in a dome having gotten little to no work with the first team.
He's an easy target because he has no business being in the league. But you know. He's white. And fat. So Andy loves him.
Quote from: Eaglez on January 13, 2007, 11:27:40 PM
I can't believe that false start. Unreal.
It was probably a false start by definition, but it was so minute that I can't believe the refs actually saw it.
I saw it when it happened. It wasn't that minute.
Quote from: SunMo on January 13, 2007, 11:29:05 PM
by the way....Trotter is done as done
yep...they picked on him all night. freakin billy miller :-D
QuoteI saw it when it happened. It wasn't that minute.
me too, i thought they got away with it
I have been sitting here trying to think of a way to defend him and I can't. And I don't want to. He is a fat farging loser and he always will be.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 13, 2007, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 13, 2007, 11:26:08 PM
In the end, the decision that cost them this game was giving Scott Young a roster spot. I love Andy's project players.
Young's an easy target. Tough spot for any lineman to come into a game, on the road, in a dome having gotten little to no work with the first team.
Good point, but a guy named Scott YOUNG...from Bringham YOUNG??
I guess I just didn't focus enough.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 13, 2007, 11:29:53 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 13, 2007, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 13, 2007, 11:26:08 PM
In the end, the decision that cost them this game was giving Scott Young a roster spot. I love Andy's project players.
Young's an easy target. Tough spot for any lineman to come into a game, on the road, in a dome having gotten little to no work with the first team.
He's an easy target because he has no business being in the league. But you know. He's white. And fat. So Andy loves him.
I'm not defending his skill level or lack there of. But he's pretty low on my list of reasons why the Eagles lost this game.
Quote from: SunMo on January 13, 2007, 11:29:05 PM
by the way....Trotter is done as done
As Trotter's sponsor, I whole-heartedly endorse this comment.
This is basically the only way he can be defended:
The Giants couldn't find anyone better than Tom Coughlin this offseason, so the Eagles sure as hell can't find anyone better than Andy.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2007, 11:34:25 PM
This is basically the only way he can be defended:
The Giants couldn't find anyone better than Tom Coughlin this offseason, so the Eagles sure as hell can't find anyone better than Andy.
GET SCHIANO.
Sign Mora!
Sr.
DIG KNUTE ROCKNE UP FROM THE GRAVE
In seriousness we know Andy won't be fired. But JJ definitely needs to go.
That fat muther-farger should be fired before he boards the plane back home.
3rd and less than 1 at the two, and he throws a pass three yards behind the line??!! Are you farging kidding me?
Followed soon by the classic icehole muther farger, funhole licking, ass farging beat your head against the farging wall drive of:
- incomplete pass
- run for no gain off guard
- incomplete pass
CHRIST I CALLED THAT DRIVE BEFORE IT BEGAN!!!!!!!!
If he isn't unemployed before he lands in Philly, one of you local pieces of shtein should shiv him as he gets off the plane. Lurie too.
Quote from: Beef Rapp on January 13, 2007, 11:38:40 PM
In seriousness we know Andy won't be fired. But JJ definitely needs to go.
I don't even blame JJ for the defensive personnel's inability to stop the run... and I like to blame JJ.
don't fret, we have this great, fearless, articulate leader to save us this summer...
(http://charlie-manuel-news.newslib.com/img/logo/1948.jpg)
That was just a lack of being physical on the part of the Eagles. They had 8 men in the box on a lot of running downs and they still couldn't stop the run. They got blown off the line or they just couldn't tackle.
My boy is going to get me a fifth of booze right now. I hate my life.
Quote from: SunMo on January 13, 2007, 11:41:12 PM
don't fret, we have this great, fearless, articulate leader to save us this summer...
(http://charlie-manuel-news.newslib.com/img/logo/1948.jpg)
Please get that Philth out of a football thread.
You remind me that I need to update my sig though.
farg fired. I want him dead. Really dead. The front office can go with him.
That's how pissed I am.
They farging had this team, a great team, by the balls, and blew it the same way they've blown a dozen games before.
If they're that farging stupid, death is the only answer. Kill them all, and their families, just to be sure.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 13, 2007, 11:46:27 PM
farg fired. I want him dead. Really dead. The front office can go with him.
That's how pissed I am.
They farging had this team, a great team, by the balls, and blew it the same way they've blown a dozen games before.
If they're that farging stupid, death is the only answer. Kill them all, and their families, just to be sure.
Yesss!
farging farg fargers farged up a farging farg game.
fargers.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 13, 2007, 11:39:34 PM
That fat muther-farger should be fired before he boards the plane back home.
3rd and less than 1 at the two, and he throws a pass three yards behind the line??!! Are you farging kidding me?
Followed soon by the classic icehole muther farger, funhole licking, ass farging beat your head against the farging wall drive of:
- incomplete pass
- run for no gain off guard
- incomplete pass
CHRIST I CALLED THAT DRIVE BEFORE IT BEGAN!!
If he isn't unemployed before he lands in Philly, one of you local pieces of shtein should shiv him as he gets off the plane. Lurie too.
They'd need a Bowie knife. I don't think a shiv would make it through the blubber.
MURDERDEATHKILLMURDERDEATHKILLMURDERDEATHKILL.
Start at the airport, and go until the last mob member is shot down by the National Guard.
Christ, it ain't like anyone on this farging team is worth saving (OK, maybe Westbrook can catch a later flight...)
Fire his fat farging ass. Punt on 4th and 15? Pass on 3rd and 1?
Dear god. It will never get easy. I hate Philadelphia sports.
Im on my way to getting trashed. I was farged up last night and was trying to be careful tonight but thanks to Andrew Walter I can't go to bed peacefully. If I get alcohol poisoning and die I hope they arrest Reid.
Reid makes me want to vomit. Punt on 4th and 15? You just completed a great play on 4th and 10 for a first down that was negated by a penalty so you fargin PUNT instead because it is 5 yards further? WTF! You forget about 4th and 26 Reid? You dumb SOB.
It needs to be said again. Reid will never change.
At least have the simple decency to get annihilated.
WE HAD THIS MUTHER fargING GAME!!!
AND ANDY REID LOST IT THE SAME WAY HE'S LOST A DOZEN OTHERS!!
JESUS MUTHER fargING JUMPED UP LARRAPING CHRIST!!!!
Welcome aboard the wagon one and all... plenty more room still, plenty of room.
Quote from: MDS on January 13, 2007, 11:52:54 PM
Fire his fat farging ass. Punt on 4th and 15? Pass on 3rd and 1?
Dear god. It will never get easy. I hate Philadelphia sports.
That's the first smart thing you've said. Ever.
Damn it. :-\
Quote from: MURP on January 13, 2007, 11:53:15 PM
Reid makes me want to vomit. Punt on 4th and 15? You just completed a great play on 4th and 10 for a first down that was negated by a penalty so you fargin PUNT instead because it is 5 yards further? WTF! You forget about 4th and 26 Reid? You dumb SOB.
It needs to be said again. Reid will never change.
Them's fightin' words in the MURP household!
I was watching the game with a bunch of Bears fans (basically a neutral field).
Of course they all thought I was wildly amusing, after the 50th f-bomb. But I told them right then and there, the game was over when Reid called a -3 yard pass on 3rd and less than 1. Yeah, the punt was beyond farging ridiculous, and deserves a hollow point alone, but a 3rd and MUTHER fargING corksuckING ONE!!!!!!! Jesus farging Christ! Yeah, Westbrook is only averaging like 9 yards a carry, lets pass. You dumb fat piece of dogshtein RUN THE fargING BALL!!!
I hope you die a horrible death you piece of shtein.
My only saving grace is that since I will not be around next year to see the Eagles play, is that he will be gone when I come back. I know it is a pipe dream, but one can hope.
It's extra galling because they gave me reason to hope. And then dashed it against the rocks of mistakes past.
Christ alfarging mighty, if you haven't figured it out yet, get the farg out!
GODDAMIT!!!!!!!
I find it entertaining that it took a loss against a favored opponent for you idiots to get on the 'Fire Andy Reid' bandwagon.
Idiots.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 14, 2007, 12:49:35 AM
I find it entertaining that it took a loss against a favored opponent for you idiots to get on the 'Fire Andy Reid' bandwagon.
Idiots.
My stance has never changed. Hire Cowher!
The pass play on 3rd and 1 from the 4 yardline is so retarded.
The punt is retarded as hell.
Other then that, most of my hate will be directed at the lack of run defense. Too many passes/penalties are 2nd on the list.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2007, 11:45:59 PMYou remind me that I need to update my sig though.
Look at the bright side, though--at least you won't have to update it again this May/June.
3rd and 1... I don't even know what to say.
4th and 15... I don't even know what to say.
Just. farging. Retarded.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 14, 2007, 12:49:35 AM
I find it entertaining that it took a loss against a favored opponent for you idiots to get on the 'Fire Andy Reid' bandwagon.
Idiots.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on January 14, 2007, 01:00:44 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2007, 11:45:59 PMYou remind me that I need to update my sig though.
Look at the bright side, though--at least you won't have to update it again this May/June.
I highly doubt I'll be updating it again in 2007.
I can't and will not defend Reid after this loss, but I know he won't be fired. JJ should be fired though. He has input with PP on the type of players he wants, and he is too pass focused, just like Reid.
Who will we replace JJ with? Troy Vincent? :-\
IKE!
Andy Reid elected to punt the ball away with 1:56 remaining in the game instead of going for it on fourth and 15 from the Eagles 39-yard line. The Eagles had two timeouts remaining and hoped to hold the Saints and get the ball back. It didn't work out that way. Said Reid after the game about his decision: "Well, I did. I guess, with hindsight, maybe we shouldn't have done that."
great, reassuring answer there.
Why does he still have a job? He should have been fired at that moment. Before Diggler even got the snap, he should have been out on his ass.
every last one of you can burn in hell with andy reid
Westbrook = ga'bage
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2007, 03:57:48 AM
every last one of you can burn in hell with andy reid
Your hell will consist of minivans and muzak.
Didn't read this whole thread, too tired, BUT...I'd like to add that Andy's playcalling gave them the game when they went 3 and out with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter.
WTG dickface.
He will be around for next year (sorry to say) . HE JUST CAN'T GET THEM OVER THE HUMP
Im so mad. Im already 3 beers deep. Yea, it is 10AM. So what.
farg andy.
I bet Sean Payton must've giggled to himself when he saw that punt unit come on the field with 1:56 left to go in the game.
Quote from: GeneralZOD on January 14, 2007, 10:49:24 AM
I bet Sean Payton must've giggled to himself when he saw that punt unit come on the field with 1:56 left to go in the game.
Yep. Him and every Saints fan at the game and watching on TV - including the FOX announcers.
Im so mad. Im already 3 beers deep. Yea, it is 10AM
ha
im right behind you....bourbons n ginger all around
i dont even know what to say about reid right now...and there really isnt much to be said that hasnt already except i cant believe this guy is still gonna be on a nfl sideline next year and the year after and the year after....for MY team....his ineptitude is off the charts espcially in big games...im not even angry anymore...its just pure sadness knowing that this team should still be playing
theres so many things to go into right now but above and beyond all is how does brian westbrook...arguably the best player in the nfl right now...get 13 carries...in a close game....someone needs to tell me something to make me feel better...something anything...
Reid is a fargin child in a mans world. How can't the players be in an uproar about his bullshtein playcalling? Its been going on for too many years, and he cost us to many big games. I get it now, Mormons brainwash their children, much like the players on this team. fargin pathetic.
I want to strangle him for the 4th & 15 call. I can maybe see it if you have 3t/o's or even 2 and the 2min warning. But the defense couldn't stop Nick Cole if they tried.
Terrible decision >:(
I feel like this, it seems, every year....that a Reid mistake cost us the season. Anyone else feel that way?
that 4th down call will go down in history as one of the amazingly bad calls of all time....in any sport
phil sheridan in todays inky said it better than any of us ever could
NEW ORLEANS - Andy Reid punted.
With his Eagles' fifth NFC championship game appearance in six years on the line, the head coach chose not to go for a first down on fourth and 15 with less than two minutes on the clock last night.
Even though, once upon a time, the Eagles won a playoff game by converting on fourth and 26.
Even though, on the previous play, Hank Baskett caught a pass that would have been good for a first down. That catch was negated by a false-start penalty on the Eagles, setting up the fourth-and-10 situation.
Even though the Eagles' defense had been completely unable to stop the New Orleans Saints' offense throughout a wild divisional playoff game at the Superdome.
Reid punted and so the Saints will play in their first NFC championship game next Sunday. They continued their feel-good run under first-year head coach Sean Payton by beating the Eagles, 27-24, exactly the same score as the Saints' regular-season victory here in October.
It was a thrilling, entertaining game from start to finish, a contest played at a pitch every bit as high as the stakes. The game deserved Reid's best gamble on fourth and 15, not a white flag.
The Saints gladly took the punt and ran out the clock.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 14, 2007, 11:19:49 AM
I feel like this, it seems, every year....that a Reid mistake cost us the season. Anyone else feel that way?
oh, and then...we hear this garbage afterwards:
Quote"In hindsight, I guess maybe we should have [gone for it]," Reid said, "because we didn't get the ball back. I thought we would be able to get the ball back."
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2007, 11:09:53 AM
someone needs to tell me something to make me feel better...something anything...
Ill do the exact opposite.
I just watched the replay of the false start 4th and 10 and just now realized that if Scott Young wouldnt have blown his wad, Basketts catch would have put us in FG range with 1:50 left. And 2 timeouts.
And, I thought I couldnt get any madder.
>:(
I saw him flinch and I thought he got away with it. Until they said a flag was thrown. And then I see Dirk out there and I punched several things in the house and left.
I feel like this, it seems, every year....that a Reid mistake cost us the season. Anyone else feel that way?
uh yeah
the sad thing is that until lurie and banner want something more than the playoffs then this will never change...i know its sounds weird to say that because teams like detroit dont even do that but at some point you want better than what youre getting...especially in this conference and how bad it is...the eagles have had to have made more than one superbowl this decade...again it sounds funny to say that but with the chances theyve had its true what theyve done is not near good enough...and it goes directly to a severe lack of in game coaching...because the players are there...they are more than good enough to win this conference with the talent they have....so why hasnt it happened more than once?
im scared of what happens when the cycle changes and the nfc becomes a good conference...which is going to happen at some point...and when it does i see 7-8/8-8 every year
I actually didnt see him jump, so I went nuts when Baskett made the catch, then after jumping like an idiot I saw Mike Carey motion for a false start. I yelled farg alot. Loud.
If Buddy was the coach the last 10 years, we would have multiple rings. Truth.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 14, 2007, 11:19:49 AM
I feel like this, it seems, every year....that a Reid mistake cost us the season. Anyone else feel that way?
Yah! That's why he needs to be gone. Every year he brainfarts in the playoffs (if not before) and every year after he's back doing the same stupid shtein. Get rid of him already, Lurie.
That punt proves that Andy Reid is one of the worst in game coaches in the league. Had he farging had his fat head in the game he would have seen our defense had NO chance of stopping the Saints running attack. farging idiot.
how does not every coach and player on the sideline strangle reid when they see the punt unit start out on the field...i dont give a flying farg about chain of command...if i see that i call a timeout right away and ask reid what on gods earth are you doing
Garcia should have ignored him. Or pulled a Peyton and waved the punt team off.
What really hurts is that they should have punched it in and been leading 28-27. They had multiple opportunities to win that game. Score from the 1, do something after Bush's fumble, fall on his other fumble (which they gave them a first down on - I thought offense got the ball at the spot of the fumble if they recover) or SCOTT YOUNG doesn't false start. I think I am going to be sick today. And not just from booze. They would have beaten CHI or SEA. :-\
So does this bring Andy Reid any closer to being fired? I mean, ownership and management can't continue to overlook this shtein forever, right? I mean on top of his awful decision to punt one of his project players, a farging guy that was a DT in college and has been outplayed every pre-season but still manages to make the team, cost them the game. Every single thing about this loss rests on Andy's shoulders. farg. farging farg.
Days like these make me wish I didnt care as much as I do. I wish Andy cared half as much as I do.
No way he gets canned. Media will laud him for "pulling the team together" or for "rallying his troops" whn they were left for dead.
Unfortunately though, Banner and Lurie see things the same way.
It does rest on his shoulders. But he's no closer to being fired than he was when they were 5-6. Lurie said hes going nowhere. It would take something big to happen (back to back 3-13's maybe) to get him a pink slip.
Judging by the available coaches, I still prefer Reid to the guys on the open market.
Cowher?
There were so many opportunites. I don't know what to say anymore.
I think the white flag analogy was appropriate. Was Andy watching the same game everyone else was watching? The Run D did their Colts impression from the regular season. I was actually somewhat surprised the Saints didn't pick up the first down on two running plays and that it actually took them three to seal the deal and pick up the ONE FIRST DOWN they need to win the game.
That was so boneheaded. My God. Go down fighting at least you prick. I can't believe that.
Bill Cowher in Philly would give me the second largest erection I've had in a while.
(I'm still trying to soften up after Sheldon's hit on mister OMGReggieBush!)
We all need to suck up the fact that Andy is going to be the coach of this team for a long, long time. Way too long of a time.
It's already been way too long.
We should hire Jaws as a coaches consultant.
And by the way, I have no illusions about Andy Reid going anywhere. What I'm curious about is what it will finally take for him to be cut loose...
Not if BYU comes calling. Unfortunately they're decent right now. shtein. :(
Even if Andy's plan had 'worked', the Eagles, best case scenario, would have gotten the ball back with probably 40 seconds tops and no TO's to pick up 50 yards for FG range? What a loser.
I would assume 3 losses in NFCCG's, a loss in the Super Bowl, multiple bad first round picks (2nd and 3rd's too), an inability to coach in a big game, an inability to adjust a gameplan and a lack of overall leaderhip would probably get a coached axed.
Maybe if Andy filled all that criteria, we'd have a new coach.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 14, 2007, 12:10:01 PM
So does this bring Andy Reid any closer to being fired?
No way, Lurie would never fire Reid, they'd pull a Bobby Clarke/Ed Snider "I just don't want to do this anymore"
- I threw a chair across the room when he elected to punt on 4th and 15
- Westbrook has never been denied going over the pile...ever. So with 3rd and 1 you throw it to Tapeh - brilliant Andy you fat farging moron
- We get a gift of a fumble and they can't convert 1 farging 1st down.
Andy's not some rookie Coach who is learning the game, he's been a HC for almost a decade, which is far longer than %75 of the coaches in the league. How you can keep making these boneheaded decisions is beyond me. One of his assistants should have veto power for when he's about to do something stupid.
Considine has no business being on a football field, I've never seen a guy who was as poor of a tackler as he is.
Trotter = done
D'hani - never liked him = done
Walker - they ran McCallister right at him the entire game. At least take the lineman out on a running play, don't get stood up and be useless.
Cowher...maybe. But don't forget that at one time Cowher was the Andy Reid of Pittsburgh. If the Rooney's weren't so loyal he might have been fired like many want Andy gone. He's a guy who loves power running and who screams and likes to stuff photos in refs pockets (anyone remember that?) but is he really any different than Andy when it comes to wins and losses. He got his SB win in his 2nd try and in his 14th year with the team.
Pittsburgh fans wanted his head last year before they went on that run and won the SB. He was 2-4 in AFCCG's.
Bill Cowher's W-L record:
1992: 11-5 ; 0-1 in playoffs
1993: 9-7 ; 0-1 in playoffs
1994: 12-4 ; 1-1 in playoffs
1995: 11-5 ; 2-1 in playoffs (lost SB)
1996: 10-6 ; 1-1 in playoffs
1997: 11-5 ; 1-1 in playoffs
1998: 7-9
1999: 6-10
2000: 9-7
2001: 13-3 ; 1-1 in playoffs
2002: 10-5-1 ; 1-1 playoffs
2003: 6-10
2004: 15-1 ; 1-1 playoffs
2005: 11-5 ; 4-0 playoffs (won SB)
2006: 8-8
TOTAL: 149 - 90 - 1 (161 - 99 - 1 including playoffs)
Andy Reid's W-L record:
1999: 5-11
2000: 11-5 ; 1-1 playoffs
2001: 11-5 ; 2-1 playoffs
2002: 12-4 ; 1-1 playoffs
2003: 12-4 ; 1-1 playoffs
2004: 13-3 ; 2-1 playoffs (lost SB)
2005: 6-10
2006: 10-6 ; 1-1 playoffs
TOTAL: 80-48 (88 - 54 including playoffs)
True, I was just throwing the idea out there. More so for the fire he would light under that team...especially the D.
Plus you could make a case that the Eagles teams that lost those NFCCG's were better than any of those Steeler teams Cowher had.
In sum Cowher>>>Fat man
I don't want Cowher because he's won a superbowl, I want him because he runs the ball and always has stingy defenses.
That's the kind of football team I want. Not this fancy ass, quick-strike, all or nothing horseshtein.
I don't think Cowher is the answer. I just am still reeling from that playcall. Andy gave up on the season with that punt. It was equivalent to ordering Garcia to take a knee on 4th and 15.
You don't try and predict the improbable. You are on offense, with a chance to convert.
Even if the Eagles didn't convert on 4th and 15 the best chance the Eagles would have had would be to go for the strip anyways. No way, based on the way the run D played all game, were they going to deny the Saints a first down with a chance to seal the game.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 14, 2007, 12:33:52 PM
I don't want Cowher because he's won a superbowl, I want him because he runs the ball and always has stingy defenses.
That's the kind of football team I want. Not this fancy ass, quick-strike, all or nothing horseshtein.
I'm not saying you're right or wrong. But remember when andy ran the dink and dunk and we all clamored for a big play offense? Let's just hope that he continues to run the ball next year like he did this year at the end. That means letting Marty do his thing and Andy not stepping in.
I don't want dink and dunk. I don't want big play. I want smashmouth. On both sides of the ball.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2007, 12:42:52 PM
That means letting Marty do his thing and Andy not stepping in.
Kind of like last night, eh? :boom
Cowher...maybe. But don't forget that at one time Cowher was the Andy Reid of Pittsburgh
i hate when people say this
cowher was reid only on paper...people dont hate reid cause he hasnt won a superbowl people hate reid because HE's the reason he hasnt won a superbowl...
cowher wasnt perfect his whole career but cowhers playoff losses werent a direct result of his coaching...he was always a good coach who just didnt win the big one...reid on the other hand has shown himself to be incompetant...he single handedly has lost numerous games on his own...both playoffs and reg season...theres no comparison between the two
Kind of like last night, eh?
ha
exactly
reid is the coach of this team and dont anyone forget that
Cowher had Corn Puffs as his starting QB for years until they finally got Rothlesshelmet.
Can't fault him for that.
I'm just telling you what the Steelers fans were saying about Bill over the years. Much like the debate we're having now they were having on their boards.
Hey, I'm not saying Andy is without fault. He clearly is. And I know that he has his flaws. But other than Belichick there is no one really out there who gets a free ride.
There's zero chance Cowher comes here so why even speculate?
Agreed, he'll never come here. But he is the KIND of coach I would want. Firey. Punch you in the mouth football. That's why we watch, isn't it? Video game football is fun when you're playing a video game. When you're actually watching a team that you care about its farging awful.
I want wins. I don't care who gets them. And that's why I say Andy, right now and realistically, is our best shot at getting them.
farg wins. Peyton Manning has wins. Wins don't mean dick. I want a coach who can get over the hump and bring a farging Lombardi to this team.
I'm just telling you what the Steelers fans were saying about Bill over the years. Much like the debate we're having now they were having on their boards.
i know what youre saying but the debates about cowher were never like they are with reid
when the steelers lost in the playoffs it was a frustration thing people vented right after it happened but at the end of the day they never wanted cowher fired
where as with andy three six twelve months from now people are still gonna want him gone and be able to point to specific instances where he done farged up....cowhers teams just lost...reids teams lost mostly due to reid
I hear ya and like I said, Reid is not without fault at all. One more thing on Cowher though. He was criticized pretty bad for hs inability to get a real QB for those years though. And his love affair with Kordella was a point of contention with their fans. Namely the year they lost to NE in the AFCCG when Bledsoe came off the bench to beat them with NE.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2007, 12:56:12 PM
I'm just telling you what the Steelers fans were saying about Bill over the years. Much like the debate we're having now they were having on their boards.
i know what youre saying but the debates about cowher were never like they are with reid
yes, they absolutely were.
i lived in pittsburgh when it was at its worse....
One more thing on Cowher though. He was criticized pretty bad for hs inability to get a real QB for those years though. And his love affair with Kordella was a point of contention with their fans. Namely the year they lost to NE in the AFCCG when Bledsoe came off the bench to beat them with NE.
agreed...but thats more player personel stuff....reids issues are much bigger than that...he simply cant in game coach...that was never an issue with cowher
Quote from: rjs246 on January 14, 2007, 12:55:34 PM
farg wins. Peyton Manning has wins. Wins don't mean dick. I want a coach who can get over the hump and bring a farging Lombardi to this team.
And like I said - we don;t know if Reid will not ever be that guy. Just like Cowher wasn't that guy until his 14th season.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 14, 2007, 12:50:49 PM
Agreed, he'll never come here. But he is the KIND of coach I would want. Firey. Punch you in the mouth football.
Reid WAS that guy. Once upon a time.
I am like RJS the reason I would want a guy like Cowher here is because of his style of football. I want a team that uses a power running game and has a defense that can stop the run. When was the last time an Eagles team could consistently stop the run? It hasn't been since AR has been the coach here. And please could we just get at least one OLB that has some size to him. Dhani Jones as a SAM are you kidding?
No owner could fire Reid. He always does enough to get a positive review. That and there isn't anyone out there that is going to win us a superbowl in the next few seasons. We'll just get another coach to bitch about in the long run. Different coach different set of problems.
Every coach has his problems and they all can't be Billechek's. In fact he's the only coach active today that can claim to consistatnly know how to get to and win the big game.
Reid's play calling is frustrating as farg, and for a team that claims the lines are their core strategy that D-Line should be a slap in the face after yesterday.
In the end though the game was OVER with that Scott Young holding penalty. They weren't going to convert a 4th and 15 anyway.
They weren't going to convert a 4th and 15 anyway.
thank god we didnt have to see it
Quote from: Phanatic on January 14, 2007, 02:16:31 PM
They weren't going to convert a 4th and 15 anyway.
dumbest post today. They exploited the Saints' secondary all night.
Quote from: Die-Hard on January 14, 2007, 11:38:58 AM
If Buddy was the coach the last 10 years, we would have multiple rings. Truth.
You mean the same Buddy that never won a single playoff game, even with a great defense?
I was refering to Buddy Limerick.
Quote from: Phanatic on January 14, 2007, 02:16:31 PM
They weren't going to convert a 4th and 15 anyway.
They could have at least tried for it. That left a baaaaad taste in my mouth. It's like Reid just gave up. He couldn't hardly have thought that we would have gotten the ball back in that situation.
havas222 (2:57:46 AM): ive asked everyone i know...and still dont have an acceptable answer...so im gonna ask you....what on gods earth was the 4th and 15 punt call
THavas42 (2:58:24 AM): I said the same thing to Julie last night, I said were they pissed when the eagles punted....she said you simply walked out
THavas42 (2:58:33 AM): I stopped watching too
havas222 (2:59:03 AM): maybe thw worst call in the history of sports...and im not just saying that cause it was the eagles and reid
THavas42 (3:00:09 AM): it's like everyone knew the game would be over if they punted except reid
havas222 (3:00:30 AM): might as well just taken a knee
havas222 (3:01:42 AM): what really sad is the 3rd and 1 pass to tapeh at the two yard line wasnt the worst call of the game when normally that might be the worst call of any teams year
THavas42 (3:02:10 AM): they blew it with penalities too
THavas42 (3:02:15 AM): that one on dhani
THavas42 (3:02:30 AM): and the holding call at the end of course
havas222 (3:02:52 AM): farging pasty ass scott young
havas222 (3:03:16 AM): i think we should put all mormons in internment camps
havas222 (3:03:25 AM): hes so awful
havas222 (3:03:39 AM): and needs to be cut right now...no office visit...no evaluation of the roster...RIGHT fargING NOW
THavas42 (3:05:06 AM): maybe reid was just so crestfallen about that he said f it...if we're gonna blow a first down for a false start then f it, I'm punting
havas222 (3:05:45 AM): in other words he gave up
havas222 (3:06:14 AM): ummm douchebag its the last game of the year might wanna try to win?
havas222 (3:06:24 AM): how do you as a player on that team look at that and not rush reid...gank his head set and put him in timeout
havas222 (3:06:42 AM): if im on the sideline..player or coach...and i see the puinting team going out in that spot
havas222 (3:06:51 AM): i fake a heart attack or something so it doesn't happen
THavas42 (3:07:14 AM): everyone must have thought it
havas222 (3:07:39 AM): everyone but andy
THavas42 (3:08:42AM): how many fights did you get in after the game
havas222 (3:08:55 AM): almost six...but the girls kept us in check...nothing worse than when a popped collar 'taterskin fan' douchebag askes you who won a playoff game...watch the game you Hoyda...and on top that your team pooped its pants in a devastating loss...lets just say i threw a beer on more than one person
THavas42 (3:09:52 AM): and no battles?
havas222 (3:10:39 AM): naw...like i said almost...a couple cats rushed us one time but it got seprated pretty quick
THavas42 (3:11:02 AM): i wish you went to jail
havas222 (3:11:06 AM): i wish youd die
I'm totally going to IM you now.
cant wait
Quotemaybe thw worst call in the history of sports
It's the most chickenshtein call, thats for shore.
We'll never know. The Saints secondary blew balls for most of the night. I wouldn't be surprised if they did convert the 4th and 15, but we'll never know.
What we do know is that Andy folded when 4th and 15 rolled around. If anything, go out fighting and try to win the game. Don't go out getting the ball rammed down your throat and having the other team run the clock out. And getting the ball securely shoved up your ass was a constant all game; I don't know where the sudden faith in our run D came from.
That defense couldn't stop a cripple with down's syndrome from running on them last night much less Deuce McCallister.
I agree that in the history of the Eagles, that decision might go down as the dumbest and lamest ever made by a coach.
Flat-out inexcusable.
im proud of you son
It's tough to defend Andy (the whole coaching staff) after this game.
They didn't run enough, and I'm getting tired of saying that. Why don't they try running it to the outside? ???
I don't want to hear that they saw some holes in the secondary. Don't let the defense dictate what you call. You're supposed to be offensive, not reactive.
That 2nd and 1 inside the 5 series was disgusting. Do the Eagles ever try a QB sneak? What bull shtein.
The infamous punt was retarded. No one can justify that. Even if they didn't convert on 4th down, you still need to stop them from gaining a first down. Who cares about a field position battle at this point. Grow some farging balls, or find the balls you had when it was 4th and 10.
The defense was terrible. It seemed like even in situations where we knew they were going to run, the Eagles got caught completely off guard. This bend but dont break stuff isn't working. It's time for a change.
If we would've gotten blown out, this game would've been easy for me to get over. But losing it, in typical Reid fashion, is frustrating as all hell.
uuuuuuggggghhhhhhhhh :win
Even if they didn't convert on 4th down, you still need to stop them from gaining a first down.
this is the most important point of all...three and out is three out is it not??
its like andy was trying to play a field position game with a minute left...just baffling
He punted the farging season away.
Gave up on the 53 guys on the team who busted their asses all year... his coaches who put in long ass hours every day... the Eagles' fanbase who live and die with this team.
He gave up on all of us.
In honor of MLK day, Andy can kiss my black ass.
seriously, it shouldnt have come down to a 4th down in the first place. he did make a nice call on that called back 3rd down conversion.
honestly, i dont blame his preference towards the pass considering westbrook is the featured back
Quote from: TRUCK RATHMAN on January 14, 2007, 05:28:41 PM
seriously, it shouldnt have come down to a 4th down in the first place. he did make a nice call on that called back 3rd down conversion.
No, you're remembering incorrectly. The called back play (which was roughly a 15-yard gain) was a successful
4th and 10 conversion. That's what made it even more ridiculous - that it was only a 5 yard penalty and suddenly Andy turns to punting as the best strategy.
It was just a horrendous decision.
It was baffling. I was stunned. I couldn't comprehend what was happening. It was a great embarassment.
Like Dio, I was stunned. Numb, really. I could not fathom that, with less than two minutes left, Reid would punt the ball away.
Un-freaking-believable.
Me... like a fool continued to hope for some sort of fake because I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that Andy was actually punting the ball away with 1:56 left on the clock. I just couldn't understand it. Then it hit me right when Diggler's foot hit the ball that he had just ended the Eagles season.
Somebody shoot his fat ass in the head. :boom
So is there anyone left on the "don't fire Andy Reid" side of this discussion? I have to believe that some of you idiots still aren't convinced.
How anyone could even want to defend him right now is beyond me. I couldn't sleep at night knowing I defended Reid for punting the Eagles season away.
What an asshat.
I'm not going to call for Andy's head, but if he gets fired I wouldn't be upset at all. Andy Reid won't be fired though so totally moot. Banner even said him and Lurie's confidence in him is unwavering.
Quote from: King Cole on January 14, 2007, 06:42:13 PM
Banner even said him and Lurie's confidence in him is unwavering.
Translation: No one gives head like Big Red.
Reid needs to be ass-farged with an Ebola infested cattle prod.
He needs to suffer at least as much as he's made us suffer.
Quote from: Beef Rapp on January 14, 2007, 06:49:58 PM
Quote from: King Cole on January 14, 2007, 06:42:13 PM
Banner even said him and Lurie's confidence in him is unwavering.
Translation: No one gives head like Big Red.
Thanks man. I just threw up a little.
:-\
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 14, 2007, 05:35:36 PM
Quote from: TRUCK RATHMAN on January 14, 2007, 05:28:41 PM
seriously, it shouldnt have come down to a 4th down in the first place. he did make a nice call on that called back 3rd down conversion.
No, you're remembering incorrectly. The called back play (which was roughly a 15-yard gain) was a successful 4th and 10 conversion. That's what made it even more ridiculous - that it was only a 5 yard penalty and suddenly Andy turns to punting as the best strategy.
It was just a horrendous decision.
yup, my bad. :(
fire reid! :-D
If they fire andy and hire someone new, there might be a year adjustment period for both the coach and the players.
If not, we have 10 more years of bullshtein.
Ill take option 1 please.
Quote from: Die-Hard on January 14, 2007, 07:41:36 PM
If they fire andy and hire someone new, there might be a year adjustment period for both the coach and the players.
If not, we have 10 more years of bullshtein.
Ill take option 1 please.
Sean Payton = 1 year adjustment period from 3-13 to NFCCG
At this point I would take a couple of 'adjustment' years to know that my team isn't coached by someone who passes 65% of the time and punts with less than 2 minutes left while trailing by 3 in a playoff game.
Well yes, Paytons results are best case scenario.
Im saying that Im willing to take the worst case scenario in order to get this shtein right for the long term.
listen, i'm so pissed I'll take June Jones!
With or without the lei?
poor chargers are collapsing right before our eyes.
now why didn't Gaffney work for us?
Reid's system is far too complicated for good WRs to understand it.
best therapy today was playing paintball with my son's youth group this morning. awesome stress release. few Coors light after helped as well. i wore my silver McNabb jersey over my long sleeve shirt. people were just taking target practice on me. fricken jersey is covered with paint. everytime i opened fire on someone i thought of 4th and 15.
Chargers boneheaded plays in the fourth quarter = Eagles last 8 minutes last night.
Marty call AR for some advice?
Wow, see LT snap! we need more of that shtein.
Quote from: Die-Hard on January 14, 2007, 07:58:58 PM
Im saying that Im willing to take the worst case scenario in order to get this shtein right for the long term.
I think you overestimate the NFL coaching talent pool. Worst case is another 25 years of coach after coach with a couple years of mediocrity, followed by crash and burn. Let's take a stroll down memory lane:
Marion Cambell 18-29-1, no playoff appearances
Buddy Ryan 42- 35, 0-3 playoffs
Rich Kotite 36-28, 1-1 playoffs
Ray Rhodes 29-34, 1-2 playoffs
Ok, blame the Eagles ownership for those "poor decisions". How many NFL coaches have > 60% winning percentage? How many times has a head coach lost their job after less than 5 years recently? I'm pissed at Andy too, but do you
really want a new head coach? Let's look at the NFL coaching hires out there already this year:
Falcons - Bobby Petrino (farging Louisville? Ask Saban & Spurrier about how easy the transition from college to pro is)
Cardinals - Wizenhunt (their second choice, after Mick farging Sherman)
Names being kicked around by other teams - Grimm, Chan Gaily, Mora Jr. ...
Yeah, there is a talent pool I want to tap into. It is so bad that the Giants are going to stick with Coughlin in spite of the fact that the players have gone public with the fact that he has lost the team.
Still, regardless of what any of you think, regardless of what I think, it would be a monumentally stupid
business decision for the Eagles to fire Andy Reid. As I pointed out earlier this season, and as was pointed out earlier in this thread - Andy will be here as long as he doesn't have
two seasons with a losing record. The only way that won't happen is if the team gets in a rut like the Flyers did for awhile and the fans just don't buy the "next year" line anymore. Screaming fans and media will not get Andy out the door. Lost revenues will.
[For the record: I think Andy has no business being on the field. Let him sit up in the box and look stoic. Anyone catch him getting in an argument with Marty during the Giants game? I think Andy wanted to kick on 3rd down and leave time on the clock for the G-men. Moron.]
I think you overestimate the NFL coaching talent pool. Worst case is another 25 years of coach after coach with a couple years of mediocrity, followed by crash and burn. Let's take a stroll down memory lane:
Marion Cambell 18-29-1, no playoff appearances
Buddy Ryan 42- 35, 0-3 playoffs
Rich Kotite 36-28, 1-1 playoffs
Ray Rhodes 29-34, 1-2 playoffs
no teams are going 25 years like that in the new nfl...the league was completely different before free agency and its goal for parity...look at the teams that have made the superbowl in the nfc just in the last ten years
lovie smith or sean payton this year
andy reid
john fox
john gruden
dick vermeil
jim fassel
i mean are you kidding me??...you need to come up with something that has more substance than well worst case is 25 years of futility if you fire reid...yiou have nothing to back that up whatsoever...you have no defense of your coaching hero so you are just pulling nonsense out your ass
your coach gave up this weekend...he surrendered before the war was over...it was arguably the worst call in nfl history...that alone is a fireable offense...not to mention his overall inability to coach during games...maybe that doesnt matter as much in the regular season...but in the biggest games against the best teams its something you cant overcome
ive said this for five years now...andy reid should not be a head coach in this league...is he a good person and a smart guy sure...does he have a place in the nfl absolutely....but he should not be in a position of such importance because hes clueless for the most important 60 minutes each week
lapdogs like you will never see this tho and will point to marion cambell or everyones favorite kotite...because rich kotite was once the coach of this team does not mean we should be happy with a subpar coach now just because hes better than kotite...thats unacceptable...
i honestly would rather be zesty for all those years than to be good enough to win but not be able to do it because the coach is brutal when it matters most
ive hurt more in the last six years than i ever did under kotite or campbell
we deserve more...the eagles have been more than good enough to have won a superbowl during this run yet they havent because of the stubborness/incompetance of reid both in the coaching and gm positions...for god sakes the nfc is so awful and they cant even get to more than one superbowl despite having the nfc's best team for the better part of five years...it has to stop
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2007, 10:41:00 AM
ive hurt more in the last six years than i ever did under kotite or campbell
oh for farg sake
it was arguably the worst call in nfl history
You must have missed the "sweet! we won the coin flip in overtime! We'll defend!" call by Marty in his Detroit days.
hideous call but he was playing a strategy with the wind...at least he was doing what he thought was best for his team to win....he was still trying
reid gave up...literally waved the white flag...threw the towel in the ring on his fighter in the 15th round of a championship fight when he was still swinging...nothing is worse than giving up
trust me...the pain factor of being at a game or watching it on tv is much higher than experiencing it thru a message board game thread...or runnings errands and getting the score on the espn ticker
oh I'm sure it is crybaby
Jesus - who is on who's Johnson now?
I think Reid is a zesty game-day coach. We've agreed on this point a number of times.
I didn't bring up worst case, I just don't think "a couple years of adjustment" is worst case. Worst case is Detroit, Arizona, Cleveland, Miami, Oakland... And given your love for the current Eagles ownership, can't you make a case for that kind of management ineptitude?
I added the comment above - probably while you were posting - Reid doesn't belong on the sidelines. Period.
Do I want the Eagles to win a Super Bowl? Yes. Do I think Andy Ried hurts their chances of doing that on game day? Yes. Do I think Lurie and Banner will fire him? No farging way in hell.
Something to keep in mind: disagreeing with you (or someone else) does not mean one agrees with "the other side". Just because I think you are talking out your ass, doesn't make me an Eagles lapdog.
Quoteive hurt more in the last six years than i ever did under kotite or campbell
Isn't there a word for that? Band-something?
i think it hurts a lot less losing in the playoffs and/or superbowl than it did when i had to defend the Eagles back when they couldn't even get within field goal range against the Cowboys during Monday Night Football.
Punting on 4th and 15 was an act of TREASON!
Quote from: Diomedes on January 15, 2007, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2007, 10:41:00 AM
ive hurt more in the last six years than i ever did under kotite or campbell
oh for farg sake
I dont think theres anything crazy about saying that. Sure it hurt to finish the 94' season 7-9 after starting 7-2, but did it really matter? Was that team going to best Dallas of SF or BOTH if theyt made the playoffs? No shot. Was any Kotite team good enough to win the SB? Hah.
With the exception of last year, each Eagles team since 01' (including this years team) was good enough to win the SB, or at least get there. And alas, all we have to show for it is one NFC championship banner. If that doesnt hurt more than a few 7-9 seasons, then I question the level of your fanhood.
waaah.. the big entertainment corporation hurts meeee. waaah.. I'm such a real fan, it hurrts when they do dumb things. ouchiee, owww...
Quote from: Diomedes on January 15, 2007, 11:16:07 AM
waaah.. the big entertainment corporation hurts meeee. waaah.. I'm such a real fan, it hurrts when they do dumb things. ouchiee, owww...
Enough with the "entertainment corporation" tag. All we care about as fans, is the football team. And yes, when they do dumb things it hurts. This one hurts more than others due to self-inflicted stupidity. It should hurt for you too. Otherwise, why do you waste your time on this ridiculus website day in and day out?
I'm happy they got that far, didn't expect much against the Saints, am not crying over this one. I'm not getting upset about dickhead Andy, and I'm not whining over Banner.
It's a great big corporation that cares nothing about you, and insofar as you care about it, get hurt by it, cry over it...good for you.
I'm moving on. Time to cancel cable and look forward to the draft.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 15, 2007, 11:25:25 AM
I'm moving on. Time to cancel cable and look forward to the draft.
Any good skiers available this year?
i admire Dio's defense mechanisim, but we all know that deep down it doesn't work
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2007, 10:58:42 AM
Punting on 4th and 15 was an act of TREASON!
Treason, by law, is punishible by death.
Shall it be a hanging, beheading, firing squad or tossed in a pool with giant sharks that have "laser beams" attached to their heads.
JJ has probably cleaned out his desk already. Reid essentially placed the blame on the defense and filled in the last line on his pink slip. Too bad Andy's is still completely blank.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 15, 2007, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2007, 10:58:42 AM
Punting on 4th and 15 was an act of TREASON!
Treason, by law, is punishible by death.
Shall it be a hanging, beheading, firing squad or tossed in a pool with giant sharks that have "laser beams" attached to their heads.
Drawn and quartered.
Rich Hofmann who is a really bright guy is heavily defending Andy Reid for it. Trotter did too on Daily News Live.
Rich Hofmann said that only 1 of 19 were converted in the NFL during the season which was roughly 5% and Garcia hasn't completed anything longer than a 3rd and 11 all season. He also brought up how the Saints didn't score any points in the 4th and the first 3 and out the Saints got was just a few possessions ago.
Eskin is also with Andy on that, but it doesn't surprise me.
Trotter plays for the defense and has to defend the coach when he puts the game in the D's hands.
I'll stick with the obvious choice on this one: Reid was wrong and is a massive Hoyda.
Rich Hoffman always defends AR.
i said this yesterday ill say it again...three and out is three and out...they had to get one no matter where the ball was...theres no reason to be playing a field position game right there...you needed a first down or game over...you go for the win then if you dont get it you go for the three and out right then and there
we dont even need to get into how bad the run defense was all year and in that game
yup
Hire Kotite. Hell, hire Shoulderpad Shawn. Just get rid of the fat dickhead who's thinks he's smarter than he is. A -3 yard flair pass to a converted fullback with a replacement hip on 3rd and less than 1 at the goalline? BRILLIANT!
Quote from: King Cole on January 15, 2007, 06:34:22 PM
Rich Hofmann who is a really bright guy is heavily defending Andy Reid for it. Trotter did too on Daily News Live.
Rich Hofmann said that only 1 of 19 were converted in the NFL during the season which was roughly 5% and Garcia hasn't completed anything longer than a 3rd and 11 all season. He also brought up how the Saints didn't score any points in the 4th and the first 3 and out the Saints got was just a few possessions ago.
yeah, how about this stat. There was
0% chance the Eagles were going to stop the Saints run game when they needed to after the 4th and 15 punt.
He should have thrown the fargin ball. This stat cop out is just as sickening as the punt itself.
Punting the ball was inexcusable. There was no way the Eagles were stopping the Saints so they should have gone for it right then and there. Enough already.
Move on.
That game was totally lost with the holding penalty and lost on the Saints drive right before that. Getting mad over 4th and 15 is akin to playing with yourself. Kind of fun because it drives you to drink and all but still...
I didn't expect them to win. They were in it even though they couldn't stop the Run worth a shtein.
Andy can't call a close game well bit in this case I really don't think it mattered. This game was already over by that point.
Quote from: Phanatic on January 15, 2007, 09:22:59 PM
That game was totally lost with the holding penalty and lost on the Saints drive right before that. Getting mad over 4th and 15 is akin to playing with yourself. Kind of fun because it drives you to drink and all but still...
Sounds like you are just trying to put the punt out of your mind so you dont start drinkin.
Quote from: MURP on January 15, 2007, 11:25:32 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on January 15, 2007, 09:22:59 PM
That game was totally lost with the holding penalty and lost on the Saints drive right before that. Getting mad over 4th and 15 is akin to playing with yourself. Kind of fun because it drives you to drink and all but still...
Sounds like you are just trying to put the punt out of your mind so you dont start drinkin.
farg!! Pass the sauce!
I can't defend him after what I saw and after how this season ended. If your going for in on 4th and 10, I mean, what the farg difference is 5 yards?!?! What was it that made him think he should have punted after going for it the play before?!?!
Quote from: shorebird on January 16, 2007, 06:46:51 AM
I can't defend him after what I saw and after how this season ended. If your going for in on 4th and 10, I mean, what the farg difference is 5 yards?!?! What was it that made him think he should have punted after going for it the play before?!?!
trent cole prolly told him he would go kick someone in the nads and win the game.
maybe hes smarter than we all think and he punted so people wouldnt notice the 3 and 1 call to tapeh and the fact that westbrook the best player on the field got 13 carries in a tight game...because those two things are indefensible yet arent getting near the attention they deserve...especially the westbrook thing
they ignored everything they built the last month and went right back to 60% passing for no apparent reason
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2007, 08:24:58 AM
maybe hes smarter than we all think and he punted so people wouldnt notice the 3 and 1 call to tapeh and the fact that westbrook the best player on the field got 13 carries in a tight game...because those two things are indefensible yet arent getting near the attention they deserve...especially the westbrook thing
they ignored everything they built the last month and went right back to 60% passing for no apparent reason
The Saints had no intention of letting the Eagles run on them. They keyed against the run from the start. I would have stuck with it personally but the Eagles were having quite a bit of success throwing the ball so I can't blame them too much.
The third & one and the 4th & 15 punt calls were ridiculous and deserve our scorn. Passing more than running? Not so much, especially after Andrews went down.
The Saints had no intention of letting the Eagles run on them. They keyed against the run from the start. I would have stuck with it personally but the Eagles were having quite a bit of success throwing the ball so I can't blame them too much.
the eagles had a 6.2 avg per rush...so for all the saints tried to do they were still very successful...maybe had the eagles committed to the run more in the first three quarters then they would have felt better about running the ball on 3rd and a half yard....even before that tapeh call yeah westbrook was stopped on 2nd down but the two previous runs before that went for like 15 and 10 yards respectively
what the saints were really doing was stuffing up the middle...thier tackles were beating the eagles but they also often had an extra man or two in the box....it was so obvious from the get...yet the eagles refused to run westbrook outside the tackles...i was screaming all game for the toss sweep...if you look back i think he ran outside the tackles four or five times all night and everyone time he did (outside of i believe the first possesion of the game where he got stuffed) he banged out chunks of yards...yet they kept going off guard with him it was maddening
it was almost as if reid and morningwheg werent there for the six game winning streak and simply didnt see any of what made them successful....just baffling
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2007, 08:46:36 AM
The Saints had no intention of letting the Eagles run on them. They keyed against the run from the start. I would have stuck with it personally but the Eagles were having quite a bit of success throwing the ball so I can't blame them too much.
the eagles had a 6.2 avg per rush...so for all the saints tried to do they were still very successful...maybe had the eagles committed to the run more in the first three quarters then they would have felt better about running the ball on 3rd and a half yard....even before that tapeh call yeah westbrook was stopped on 2nd down but the two previous runs before that went for like 15 and 10 yards respectively
what the saints were really doing was stuffing up the middle...thier tackles were beating the eagles but they also often had an extra man or two in the box....it was so obvious from the get...yet the eagles refused to run westbrook outside the tackles...i was screaming all game for the toss sweep...if you look back i think he ran outside the tackles four or five times all night and everyone time he did (outside of i believe the first possesion of the game where he got stuffed) he banged out chunks of yards...yet they kept going off guard with him it was maddening
it was almost as if reid and morningwheg werent there for the six game winning streak and simply didnt see any of what made them successful....just baffling
IG, I agree with most of your points, but to point at a 6.2 average - take away that 62 yard break-out by Westbrook, and what does the average fall to?
Yes, he could have broken another, but other than that, the Saints did hold the Eagles' running game (what there was of it, at least) at bay.
take away that 62 yard break-out by Westbrook, and what does the average fall to?
fine ill play that game....which means i guess im allowed to take away the bomb to stallworth...which makes the passing bad as well...and in the case of neither working i want the ball in westbrooks hands over garcia's...
plus as i said westbrook was running with much success to the outside when they called it...but somehow the coaches couldnt see what was going on from sideline even tho a mook like me saw from a bar that the saints were clogging the middle of the field and taking the ball to the edges was the way to go
i haven't seen any andy defenders in this thread...perhaps the title should be changed.
Quote from: hunt on January 16, 2007, 09:39:09 AM
i haven't seen any andy defenders in this thread...perhaps the title should be changed.
Okay, I'll try. . .
I did like Andy's outfit. Black is slimming on him.
;D
ok i looked up the exact numbers
in the second half the eagles had 12 first down plays and threw the ball on 9 of them
they had 8 total rush attemps in the second half
and 99% of this coming after the third play of the half when westbrook busted the 62 yarder...so your best player breaks off a monster run on the third play of the half and what do you do?...you throw the ball 80% of the time for the rest of the game
Westbrook ran the ball only five times after his TD. He ran once for 18, once for 15, once for 9, once for no yards and once for a yard.
No one is disputing that they should have kept running the ball, IGY.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 16, 2007, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2007, 08:46:36 AM
The Saints had no intention of letting the Eagles run on them. They keyed against the run from the start. I would have stuck with it personally but the Eagles were having quite a bit of success throwing the ball so I can't blame them too much.
the eagles had a 6.2 avg per rush...so for all the saints tried to do they were still very successful...maybe had the eagles committed to the run more in the first three quarters then they would have felt better about running the ball on 3rd and a half yard....even before that tapeh call yeah westbrook was stopped on 2nd down but the two previous runs before that went for like 15 and 10 yards respectively
what the saints were really doing was stuffing up the middle...thier tackles were beating the eagles but they also often had an extra man or two in the box....it was so obvious from the get...yet the eagles refused to run westbrook outside the tackles...i was screaming all game for the toss sweep...if you look back i think he ran outside the tackles four or five times all night and everyone time he did (outside of i believe the first possesion of the game where he got stuffed) he banged out chunks of yards...yet they kept going off guard with him it was maddening
it was almost as if reid and morningwheg werent there for the six game winning streak and simply didnt see any of what made them successful....just baffling
IG, I agree with most of your points, but to point at a 6.2 average - take away that 62 yard break-out by Westbrook, and what does the average fall to?
Yes, he could have broken another, but other than that, the Saints did hold the Eagles' running game (what there was of it, at least) at bay.
Westbrook carried 13 times for 116 yards. Take away 1 carry/62 yards you've got 12 carries for 54 yds =
4.5 ypcSo even if you take away his one big run, he was still more than effective. The Saints stuffed him on the first couple of possessions fo the game. After that the running game picked up the pace significantly.
bottom line is andy stopped the eagles running game not the saints
Or was it Marty - you know, the guy calling the plays?
I thought they should have run more too. I can see their point in wanting to expose the Saints secondary because it is indeed terrible. But they should have set it up better and not throw on every first down later on. That creates a must run down on 2nd down and thus leads to it likely getting stuffed = 3rd and long.
They had opportunities in the passing game and had the plays been made we would be talking about the NFCCG again this week. Westbrook dropped 3 big passes and the one to Buck that doinked off of Simoneau's helmet was a potential big play too. No one was there to tackle him if Garcia gets him that ball.
It's weird how no one has answered definitively who was calling the plays on Saturday. The game had Andy's fingerprints all over them, though.
As for the passing, it's a lot easier to drop a pass than it is to drop a handoff. I wish they'd had more success and stuck with it, but. . .
well ive said all along that i dont/didnt believe marty called as many plays as everyone was led on to believe....if he even called any at all...and this includes when they were beating up on all those scrub teams...to me it was more a pr thing to get people off andys back
but even if you believe he did give up the play calling...reid is the head coach and hes got to get in martys ear or take away the play calling all together when westbrook is getting absolutely ignored all second half
Agreed.
Just like I think Andy should be in JJ's ear saying - "You know Jim, I think it might be time to drop a safety down in the box to help. If you don't want Dawkins down there put in Lewis for run support because Considine is getting blown up"
Considine is all but useless against the run. I read some of the shtein from Spadaro about him bulking up to be more effective and it made my heart sink a little because if that's the concensus on him, then we can forget about getting a real replacement for Lewis.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2007, 02:02:08 PM
Agreed.
Just like I think Andy should be in JJ's ear saying - "You know Jim, I think it might be time to drop a safety down in the box to help. If you don't want Dawkins down there put in Lewis for run support because Considine is getting blown up"
Alright now. I couldn't believe the way McAllister was just gouging out yards. But, if they brought a safety up, they would have probably left the middle open and Brees would have just exploited that too. It's amazing how far he's come in just a year after injury. He had a career year, and you could defiantly see the difference in his passes compared to Garcia's. There was one pass to Stallworth in the third quarter I think, that he tried to come back for and could not quite get it. It just didn't have enough on it to catch up to the receiver. Bree's passes are on the money and don't get a whole lot of air under them. He's throwing as good as, if not better than any qb out there right now. And that's saying something with Brady and Manning still in it.
They probably would have gone to the passing game. But when you are getting gouged by the run as bad as they were -it's pick you poison time. I would take a shot with forcing them to throw it where inc's stop the clock, sacks can happen and INTs can be thrown. Compared to McAllister ad Bush raping the front 7 for 8 a clip.
jj much prefers to give up the rush yards vs pass as he thinks he can keep the pts lower if thats the case....not saying i agree but thats his philosophy
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2007, 11:55:46 AM
ok i looked up the exact numbers
in the second half the eagles had 12 first down plays and threw the ball on 9 of them
they had 8 total rush attemps in the second half
and 99% of this coming after the third play of the half when westbrook busted the 62 yarder...so your best player breaks off a monster run on the third play of the half and what do you do?...you throw the ball 80% of the time for the rest of the game
Hmmmmmm, this sounds familiar. Oh yeah, it's remarkably similar to the game plan Reid incorporated during the Jags game this year.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2006, 08:39:21 AM
How many drives yesterday began with the Eagles throwing on 1st down? I counted the first 4 or 5 but quickly lost interest in trying to keep note of any stats affiliated with that game at all......much like I basically lost any and all interest in the game itself. But I decided to look it up today. Mostly because it's Monday and I'd rather research stats than work. So here's what I came up with.
1st Drive: Incomplete pass to Reggie Brown
2nd Drive: Complete to Brian Westbrook for 2 yards
3rd Drive: Incomplete to Brian Westbrook
4th Drive: Donovan McNabb sacked
5th Drive: McNabb complete to Brian Westbrook for 7 yards
6th Drive: Correll Buckhalter runs for 4 yards
7th Drive: McNabb passes to Brian Westbrook for 26 yards*
8th Drive: Brian Westbrook runs for 2 yards
9th Drive: Donovan McNabb runs for 12 yards (after a false start penalty)
10th Drive: Complete pass to Donte Stallworth for 17 yards
11th Drive: Complete pass to Donte Stallworth for 29 yards
*Drive only consisted of 1 play before the end of the half.
The first play of the first 5 drives in this game were all passing plays. And out of the 11 possessions the Eagles offense had, only 2 started off with a called run. If that isn't predictable play calling then I don't know what is.
Way to keep the defense off balance Reid. You're super.
Oddly enough (or maybe not), Reid made a similar decision during the Jags game as he did on 4th and 15 vs the Saints
Quote from: Butchers Bill on October 29, 2006, 06:14:51 PM
Its 4 & 9 near mid field but in enemy territory, at home, down by two scores with 7:38 to go, and your defense can't stop a Pop Warner team. All football logic says you go for it. AR decides to punt. Horrible football desicion not allowing your best player (McNabb) to try to make a play and get some momentum going. ....................
............. Poor football desicions, poor clock/game management, and a total lack of in-game adjustments are killing any morale this team had left. This team is now consistently out coached and the players know it.
Read all about it here (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=19160.0#quickreply)
welcome to 1999....always been like this always will
and people always thought i was crazy to want him fired in 02 03 and even the superbowl year
Fire John Harbaugh.
Serially.
I was not really disappointed at the end of the game. I thought we had a good chance and it would be close. The Eagles and Reid kept it close and lost games with mistakes and bad clock management this year especially. After the game I drank a pint of Crown and fell asleep and forgot what happened.
You guys all knew this could happen.
At least try and throw a bomb and get the Pass Interference or maybe a Saint may have caught it just like a punt! It works over half the time...
Anyway, good luck all! Andy Reid has left me a LURKING BASTICH for now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2007, 02:51:19 PM
jj much prefers to give up the rush yards vs pass as he thinks he can keep the pts lower if thats the case....not saying i agree but thats his philosophy
ding ding ding ding ding - we have a winnar.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 17, 2007, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2007, 02:51:19 PM
jj much prefers to give up the rush yards vs pass as he thinks he can keep the pts lower if thats the case....not saying i agree but thats his philosophy
ding ding ding ding ding - we have a winnar.
That philosophy used to work fine when the Eagles were stingy in Redzone D and were only giving up FGs, now that they're giving up TDs it doesn't work.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 17, 2007, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 17, 2007, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2007, 02:51:19 PM
jj much prefers to give up the rush yards vs pass as he thinks he can keep the pts lower if thats the case....not saying i agree but thats his philosophy
ding ding ding ding ding - we have a winnar.
That philosophy used to work fine when the Eagles were stingy in Redzone D and were only giving up FGs, now that they're giving up TDs it doesn't work.
I agree, but that philosophy also depended on the offense putting up a lot of points early. This would force the other team to press the pass (risky) or continue running and waste time on the clock.
That philosophy never made sense to me. A team that can run on you, controls the clock. With the way the offense has been able to score there is no excuse not to get them the ball more.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 17, 2007, 01:05:38 PM
That philosophy never made sense to me. A team that can run on you, controls the clock. With the way the offense has been able to score there is no excuse not to get them the ball more.
Controlling the clock is only an advantage if you have the lead. When the Eagles were opening up 10+ point leads in the first half of games in 2004, the opposition didn't care about controlling the clock - they needed to score.
Every strategy has its weakness. Sure it would be nice to be good against the run and against the pass, but the Eagles have decided to load up against the pass.
Eagle Defensive priorities:
1) Stop the long pass / big play
2) Pressure the QB
3) Contain short/intermediate passing
4) Contain the rush
The problem is that the Eagles pass D went into the tank the last two years due to an injuried and/or underachieving secondary. Further, and injured McNabb kills the quick strike capability that the team strategy depends upon. It took putting McNabb on IR for Big Red to realize they needed a fundamental strategy shift, and even then they did not have the defensive personnel to pull it off.
I really wonder how much better this defense would have been had Kearse never gotten hurt. That rotation was sick. A fresh Trent Cole probably =12+ sacks from him. ANd probably double digits from Kearse.
Instead of drafting/acquiring part-time players and paying them ungodly sums of cash, how about they get guys who can play all three downs and actually be productive?
Nah. That's crazy talk.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 17, 2007, 04:10:50 PM
Instead of drafting/acquiring part-time players and paying them ungodly sums of cash, how about they get guys who can play all three downs and actually be productive?
Nah. That's crazy talk.
Kearse was an everydown guy, as he played the run very well. A guy like Trent Cole can be good in an everydown role, but his speed is so much more effective in a rotation like what they had going on.
The 3rd down line of Cole-Howard-Walker/Patterson-Kearse was looking so so nasty.
Munson - Kearse has been a farging bust. Say it with me, B-U-S-T.
Howard's been a disaster, Patterson is useless, Cole is a part-time player and Walker is a joke.
The rotation thing doesnt work anymore. The birds have lineman that get too winded at the end of game late in the season because of the constant shifting, their bodies are no longer conditioned to tighten up at the end of drives.
How do you expect undersized DE's going up against OT's, who have 50lbs on them, the whole game and keep their stamina up?
Johnson's de-emphesis on linebackers, and love affair with undersized DE's killed this defense.
Instead of drafting/acquiring part-time players and paying them ungodly sums of cash, how about they get guys who can play all three downs and actually be productive?
amen
and as far as kearse goes no doubt they missed him but everyone acts like they lost a ton of sacks....kearse hasnt has double digit sacks since 2001 and has been painfully average since becoming an eagle...just because he had a nice start to this year doesnt mean he was gonna be a huge difference maker and have his 99 season all over again
i also hope people arent counting on him to come back and be the defensive lines savoir next year....hes a player that hasnt had a big year since the 90's and will be 31 going into next year coming off a very serious injury
There are two things huge about Kearse. . . his paycheck and his reputation. He's lived up to neither in Philly.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 17, 2007, 04:17:35 PM
Munson - Kearse has been a farging bust. Say it with me, B-U-S-T.
Howard's been a disaster, Patterson is useless, Cole is a part-time player and Walker is a joke.
I agree about Kearse not living up to expectations....or rather the insane amount of money they paid him. The money he's been payed for only getting 8 sacks a year is what bothers me the most.
But he was an everydown player, and didn't ahve jack shtein opposite of him until late last year/this past year. And he was off to a great start, got what...4.5 sacks in two games? Before "killa" took out his knee. IGY, the way the defensivle line was playing, I don't think it was much of a stretch to say Kearse probably would have broken double digit sacks again. Cole was the real benefactor of Kearse being in there though....Once Kearse went down, Cole wasn't ready to take on the full-time role and still be as effective a pass rusher.
Cole/Howard taking 90% of the snaps at DE....not good.
Of course IGY is right about hoping for Kearse to come back and be effective....I doubt it happens. Which leaves the Eagles with an extra hole at DE that they really don't need right now considering the problems at DT and LB, and SS....
IGY, the way the defensivle line was playing, I don't think it was much of a stretch to say Kearse probably would have broken double digit sacks again
can you make the argument that he would have gotten there....absolutely he had a very good start....he was even causing turnovers for the first time in forever
but i tend to lean towards his five year record and the fact that he had a few sacks against the worst line in football (texans) and a joke of a line in the giants
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 04:35:34 PM
IGY, the way the defensivle line was playing, I don't think it was much of a stretch to say Kearse probably would have broken double digit sacks again
can you make the argument that he would have gotten there....absolutely he had a very good start....he was even causing turnovers for the first time in forever
but i tend to lean towards his five year record and the fact that he had a few sacks against the worst line in football (texans) and a joke of a line in the giants
True. But again....Having a fresh Cole, Howard inside, and Kearse on the outside on 3rd downs...someone was gonna get some sacks. Cole was defiantely the favorite to finish with the most sacks in his 3rd down role, but without teams being able to chip and double team and concentrate on Kearse play after play, he was bound to get his this year. It's just a real shame he got hurt, was probably gonna hve his best season as an Eagle.
Quote from: Munson on January 17, 2007, 04:40:29 PM
It's just a real shame he got hurt, was probably gonna hve his best season as an Eagle.
It was his best season as an Eagle.
lol
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 17, 2007, 04:42:21 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 17, 2007, 04:40:29 PM
It's just a real shame he got hurt, was probably gonna hve his best season as an Eagle.
It was his best season as an Eagle.
:-D