Are there still people out there who want him fired?? He's given' up the playcalling, with some pretty good results. That took a lot of humility and guts. The team is winning with Jeff Garcia at qb. How much of the credit does he deserve? He brought in Garcia to back up McNabb, and at the time I thought the move gave us a better backup than last year, but not really much of one. I was way wrong on that one, and have to give Reid props for that move.
I feel he has cemented his spot as coach of this team with what they have done since Dmac went down, even if it has come by wins against sub-par teams. Maybe with everything else he has done, the playcalling was just too much. He saw it and humbled himself. I give him credit for that.
Maybe and old dog can learn a few new tricks?
The jury's out. Here are my issues with your comments, shorebird...
1. Giving him credit for giving up the playcalling is ridiculous. Sure, on the one side, it took him swallowing his pride to accomplish it. But, on the other side, it meant he became incapable of calling a quality offensive gameplan.
2. I believe the reason the team is winning with Garcia is because the Reid/McNabb lovefest has been broken up. A situation had been created where there was so much trust and comfort that neither one really cared anymore when they messed up. Now, you put a guy in there who desperately wants to win, and the whole competitive nature of the team is mixed up. If McNabb had an ounce of the competitive fire that Garcia's using, the Eagles would have won a few Super Bowls by now.
We know Reid isn't going anywhere until something a lot worse than this season happens. Him and Lurie are thick as thieves, along with McNabb. At this point, I'm hoping that mixing it up with Garcia this year creates a magical finish to the season, because we're back to same old same old for another couple years after this one.
I still want him gone. I'm sick of him.
QuoteIf McNabb had an ounce of the competitive fire that Garcia's using, the Eagles would have won a few Super Bowls by now.
That's ridiculous, dude. McNabb has every bit the same amount of fire as Garcia does. He expresses it differently but he still has it.
I was going to post this a few days ago, but forgot by the time I got back online.
Colin Cowherd proclaimed two coaches that he felt deserved Coach of the Year: Eric Mangini and our own Andy Reid.
He basically called Philly fans that wanted Reid fired idiots (not exact words, but the general message).
Reid has been the best coach the Eagles have had since Vermeil. I think he can be the one that wins us a bowl.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 22, 2006, 07:59:55 AM
He expresses it differently but he still has it.
Projectile vomiting?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 22, 2006, 08:13:42 AM
I was going to post this a few days ago, but forgot by the time I got back online.
Colin Cowherd proclaimed two coaches that he felt deserved Coach of the Year: Eric Mangini and our own Andy Reid.
He basically called Philly fans that wanted Reid fired idiots (not exact words, but the general message).
Colin Cowherd isn't exactly lighting the world on fire with his genius. He's much more entertainer/talking head than he is analyst.
I'm done defending Reid. If McNabb was still playing Reid would still be running the same scattershot bullshtein offense where 7/10 plays are passes. The only reason he's changed the philosophy is because he's had no other choice.
If the proverbial light bulb has finally gone off over his head, and he's come to understand that the running game is an integral part of the game, and not just an annoyance deserving of only lip service, then yeah, I'd be happy as a fan if Reid stuck around.
But we all know that isn't the truth of the matter. Not by a long shot.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 22, 2006, 08:23:32 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 22, 2006, 07:59:55 AM
He expresses it differently but he still has it.
Projectile vomiting?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 22, 2006, 08:13:42 AM
I was going to post this a few days ago, but forgot by the time I got back online.
Colin Cowherd proclaimed two coaches that he felt deserved Coach of the Year: Eric Mangini and our own Andy Reid.
He basically called Philly fans that wanted Reid fired idiots (not exact words, but the general message).
Colin Cowherd isn't exactly lighting the world on fire with his genius. He's much more entertainer/talking head than he is analyst.
That is correct. I can usually only take about 10 minutes of his schtick before I want to chuck my XM radio out the car window.
That's about 9 1/2 more minutes than I can take of Stephen A. Smith.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 22, 2006, 07:50:43 AM
The jury's out. Here are my issues with your comments, shorebird...
1. Giving him credit for giving up the playcalling is ridiculous. Sure, on the one side, it took him swallowing his pride to accomplish it. But, on the other side, it meant he became incapable of calling a quality offensive gameplan.
2. I believe the reason the team is winning with Garcia is because the Reid/McNabb lovefest has been broken up. A situation had been created where there was so much trust and comfort that neither one really cared anymore when they messed up. Now, you put a guy in there who desperately wants to win, and the whole competitive nature of the team is mixed up. If McNabb had an ounce of the competitive fire that Garcia's using, the Eagles would have won a few Super Bowls by now.
We know Reid isn't going anywhere until something a lot worse than this season happens. Him and Lurie are thick as thieves, along with McNabb. At this point, I'm hoping that mixing it up with Garcia this year creates a magical finish to the season, because we're back to same old same old for another couple years after this one.
1. I agree with the statement that he's been incapable of calling a quality offensive game plan, but I have to give him credit for realizing it and taking one for the team.
2. The comfort level you talk about has seemed to work against the team. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors, but I don't think a coach like Parcells, or even Vermil would say nothing when McNabb screws up and then laughs and smiles about it. Hell, there isn't a qb in the league who does that, and it is the one thing about Dmac that really pisses me off. Parcells would prolly' read him the riot act and wouldn't care if it was on the sidelines or not. McNabb needs someone to call him out once in a while, lite a fire under him. Keep him honest. I don't know that the person to do that is Reid, but I still like him as a coach. Let's hope he sees what is happening now and puts the experiance to good us next year.
I've got 2 major concerns with Reid and why I want him gone:
1. Yes, it's a good thing that he handed off the play calling to Marty. But I suspect that the minute McNabb returns to the field, Andy will resume the play calling duties and go back to doing what he's always done: Put the entire load on McNabb. Reid has shown that he can be a very effective playcaller with McNabb in the lineup and can mix things up pretty well. But more often than not, he puts all the pressure on McNabb. And with a guy like Westbrook in the backfield, there's no reason to do that.
2. My other concern is his general attitude and demeanor. He has no attitude or personality. This team has no attitude or personality and that is a big part of the problem with these guys. I am so sick of watching these players quietly walk back to the huddle or to the sidelines after dropping a pass, missing a block or missing a tackle. The best quote from Remember the Titans: "Attitude reflects leadership." I can't think of anything more appropriate to say. This teams non chelant (sp?) attitude about everything is a direct reflection of the leadership they follow. I've had enough.
Quote from: shorebird on December 22, 2006, 08:39:09 AM
1. I agree with the statement that he's been incapable of calling a quality offensive game plan, but I have to give him credit for realizing it and taking one for the team.
I would have given him credit for giving up the playcalling 3 or 4 years ago when he was still a some what young coach. Not now. I give him no credit for giving it up now. Give up the playcalling when this team had dominant players on it and had a legitimate chance at winning something. Don't do it when your team is mediocre and your starting QB is on the sidelines.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 22, 2006, 08:24:08 AM
I'm done defending Reid. If McNabb was still playing Reid would still be running the same scattershot bullshtein offense where 7/10 plays are passes. The only reason he's changed the philosophy is because he's had no other choice.
If the proverbial light bulb has finally gone off over his head, and he's come to understand that the running game is an integral part of the game, and not just an annoyance deserving of only lip service, then yeah, I'd be happy as a fan if Reid stuck around.
But we all know that isn't the truth of the matter. Not by a long shot.
^^^^^^^
Truth...100%.
At this point I want Reid to be relieved of GM duties in the offseason and David Culley, Pete Jenkins, and Jim Johnson fired.
That's ridiculous, dude. McNabb has every bit the same amount of fire as Garcia does. He expresses it differently but he still has it.
NO!
anyway....worst thread ever...the people who wanted reid fired three games ago still want him gone and the people that love him want him to stay...do you honestly think the last three wins have changed anything?
I want Reid gone.
He can't call a game...I don't care that he's given it up (for now), a coach who doesn't make the calls should be capable of doing so.
He can't adjust game strategy on the fly, whether or not he's calling the actual plays.
He's shamefully addicted to the pass
He drafts poorly / can't spot talent / keeps bums on the team
He rewards embarrasing prime time losses with days off
He doesn't understand the concept of scarcity as it relates to timeouts
He's cheap.
He can't get his team to achieve the degree of efficiency required to get the play into the huddle on time
And finally, he's a Mormon. Can't stand those fools. Get us an atheist coach, goddamnit.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 22, 2006, 08:32:59 AM
That's about 9 1/2 more minutes than I can take of Stephen A. Smith.
you mean you dont like Ghetto Sports Talk? I cant imagine who actually listens to him on ESPN radio or watches his garbage show
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 22, 2006, 08:54:37 AM
Quote from: shorebird on December 22, 2006, 08:39:09 AM
1. I agree with the statement that he's been incapable of calling a quality offensive game plan, but I have to give him credit for realizing it and taking one for the team.
I would have given him credit for giving up the playcalling 3 or 4 years ago when he was still a some what young coach. Not now. I give him no credit for giving it up now. Give up the playcalling when this team had dominant players on it and had a legitimate chance at winning something. Don't do it when your team is mediocre and your starting QB is on the sidelines.
EXACTLY, he doesnt deserve credit for something he should have done 4 years ago.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 22, 2006, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 22, 2006, 08:24:08 AM
I'm done defending Reid. If McNabb was still playing Reid would still be running the same scattershot bullshtein offense where 7/10 plays are passes. The only reason he's changed the philosophy is because he's had no other choice.
If the proverbial light bulb has finally gone off over his head, and he's come to understand that the running game is an integral part of the game, and not just an annoyance deserving of only lip service, then yeah, I'd be happy as a fan if Reid stuck around.
But we all know that isn't the truth of the matter. Not by a long shot.
^^^^^^^
Truth...100%.
At this point I want Reid to be relieved of GM duties in the offseason and David Culley, Pete Jenkins, and Jim Johnson fired.
JJ will only be gone if he retires, like Bud Carson did
you mean you dont like Ghetto Sports Talk? I cant imagine who actually listens to him on ESPN radio or watches his garbage show
hes terrible on the radio...hes a great guest when on other peoples shows but he cant carry his own show...however quite frankly is pretty good
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on December 22, 2006, 10:01:09 AM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 22, 2006, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 22, 2006, 08:24:08 AM
I'm done defending Reid. If McNabb was still playing Reid would still be running the same scattershot bullshtein offense where 7/10 plays are passes. The only reason he's changed the philosophy is because he's had no other choice.
If the proverbial light bulb has finally gone off over his head, and he's come to understand that the running game is an integral part of the game, and not just an annoyance deserving of only lip service, then yeah, I'd be happy as a fan if Reid stuck around.
But we all know that isn't the truth of the matter. Not by a long shot.
^^^^^^^
Truth...100%.
At this point I want Reid to be relieved of GM duties in the offseason and David Culley, Pete Jenkins, and Jim Johnson fired.
JJ will only be gone if he retires, like Bud Carson did
I can't say that I want JJ "fired". I'd like to see him get treated with a little more dignity than getting a pink slip. I can't help but wonder though.......are the defenses struggles due to JJ losing his edge or is it simply because he doesn't have a lot of talent to work with? Or is it both?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 22, 2006, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on December 22, 2006, 10:01:09 AM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 22, 2006, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 22, 2006, 08:24:08 AM
I'm done defending Reid. If McNabb was still playing Reid would still be running the same scattershot bullshtein offense where 7/10 plays are passes. The only reason he's changed the philosophy is because he's had no other choice.
If the proverbial light bulb has finally gone off over his head, and he's come to understand that the running game is an integral part of the game, and not just an annoyance deserving of only lip service, then yeah, I'd be happy as a fan if Reid stuck around.
But we all know that isn't the truth of the matter. Not by a long shot.
^^^^^^^
Truth...100%.
At this point I want Reid to be relieved of GM duties in the offseason and David Culley, Pete Jenkins, and Jim Johnson fired.
JJ will only be gone if he retires, like Bud Carson did
I can't say that I want JJ "fired". I'd like to see him get treated with a little more dignity than getting a pink slip. I can't help but wonder though.......are the defenses struggles due to JJ losing his edge or is it simply because he doesn't have a lot of talent to work with? Or is it both?
Just to clarify, thats exactly the way I think it will go down. It won't be Andy imitating Trump saying "You're fired", it'll be "Jim decided at this point in his life, he's ready to spend more time with his family, yada, yada, yada...". But make no mistake...if he leaves this offseason it will be because the Eagles don't want him back.
My biggest concern with Reid aside from his awful game plan was how undisciplined his team was in regards to taking stupid penalties and making mental errors. Those things can be directly traced to the coach and are problems that could be fixed. I'd rather see a less talented team play smart football and lose, than a talented team play dumb football and lose.
As also mentioned before Reid puts the entire load on McNabb and the rest of the team obviously followed. I've heard GCobb and a few of the players mention that when McNabb was playing they'd all wait for him to do something, when Garcia took over they had to step up - they should have been stepping up all along. That would be the primary thing Reid should address this offseason.
I went from fire Reid to "let's see". It is very likely that we are seeing an aberration, but if this is indeed a change in philosophy he might be able to take this team to the next level. Interesting and useless stat:
Andy Reid vs. Bill Belichick the first 8 years:
Reid Belichick
Wins 78 61
Winning Seasons 5* 3
Playoff appearances 5* 2
(*will be 6 with another win this year)
I think next season will define Andy Reid's career - either he will turn it around and become one of the great coaches in NFL history, or doom himself to a Tony Dungy "can't quite get it done" status.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 22, 2006, 10:02:04 AM
he cant carry his own show...however quite frankly is pretty good
That makes no sense.
he said on the radio, but you knew that
I don't remember much of what Belichick did in Cleveland prior to going to New England, but I can say that one of his greatest attributes as HC of the Pats has been assembling a top notch coaching staff. Other than JJ and Harbaugh, has there been any other part of Reid's coaching staff that's really been worth a damn?
Ron Rivera, Juan Castillo, Brad Childress
Good call on Rivera and Castillo. I had thought about Childress but I still have no idea what he actually did when he was with the Eagles. How much of a role did he actually play in the development of the offense? My guess is not much.
So who do you guys want? I looked at the last thread about "Who must go". Suggestions were Fisher, Cowher and Rivera. Fisher is staying in Tenn, Cowher will probably take a year off or stay with the Steelers. I don't think there will be any free coaches next year that we would want. Gruden may leave Tampa but he probably stays.
Ya know, silly as this may sound, but with the type of players this team has on offense I'm thinking Vermeil would actually be a good choice. I'm certain he's done coaching now but he makes sense as a HC possibility. [/crack dream]
I'd like to see Chucky come back, if anyone does replace Reid. At least he knows what it takes to win a Superbowl.
I cant take Reid anymore. Reid isnt going to change. Bottom line he got to one superbowl and lost. So did Jim Fassell. Things are a little rosey at the moment with the Eagles last few wins, but fact is that this year was disgusting. Lets see what everyone thinks next season when Reid bumbles with horrible clock management, awful playcalling, telling us that he needs to put people in a better position to make plays, yadda yadda. Even if there isnt a better coaching option out there atleast I can watch them obtain the same results without seeing his fat stupid head sweating after every loss.
Also, Gruden would most definalty call out McNabb.
Don't hold back Murp. Tell us how you really feel.
Someone needs to go after this season. If it isn't Reid it's Jim Johnson. Our D sucks.
Quote from: MURP on December 22, 2006, 11:01:40 AM
Even if there isnt a better coaching option out there atleast I can watch them obtain the same results without seeing his fat stupid head sweating after every loss.
:-D :-D :-D :-D
Get a fathead!!
Quote from: shorebird on December 22, 2006, 11:02:05 AM
Also, Gruden would most definalty call out McNabb.
I think any new coach the Eagles would bring in would call out McNabb when needed. Reid is the only person in the world who won't do it because he treat Donovan like his first born son.
So you really want Gruden, who although he won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team, is 3-11 this year, 11-5 in 2005, 5-11 in 2004, 7-11 in 2003?
Quote from: Philly_Crew on December 22, 2006, 11:19:29 AM
So you really want Gruden, who although he won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team, is 3-11 this year, 11-5 in 2005, 5-11 in 2004, 7-11 in 2003?
??? 7-9 maybe?
That makes no sense.
talking live on the radio for four hours is a little different than pre taping 17 minutes worth of television
Quote from: MURP on December 22, 2006, 11:01:40 AM
I cant take Reid anymore. Reid isnt going to change. Bottom line he got to one superbowl and lost. So did Jim Fassell. Things are a little rosey at the moment with the Eagles last few wins, but fact is that this year was disgusting. Lets see what everyone thinks next season when Reid bumbles with horrible clock management, awful playcalling, telling us that he needs to put people in a better position to make plays, yadda yadda. Even if there isnt a better coaching option out there atleast I can watch them obtain the same results without seeing his fat stupid head sweating after every loss.
Eagles need some major help beginning next season.
a) need to fire Pete Jenkins and (for the 6th consecutive year) Dave Culley
b) need to get a run stuffing DT, enough with the speed crap
c) CUT RENO MAHE, any other KR would taken that ball for 6
d) Reid needs to give up talent evaluation, game planning, play calling, and take a class on time management!
e) resign Stallworth.
f) CUT TRA "im good for 15 yards in penalties every game" Thomas
g) get a BIG BACK for short yardage
h) dump the Air Guitar bowtie guy
i) stop relying on Mcnabb
To me... it's pretty simple.
AS A COACH:
If you think Andy has truly turned a corner on his playcalling (of giving the responsibility up), using a balanced attack, clock management, in-game adjustments, and a little emotion like we've seen the last few weeks... I wouldn't mind seeing him stay around.
If you think Andy is simply biding his time until McNabb comes back so he can stubbornly go right back to throwing the ball every down, getting plays in at the last second... and dropping everything on McNabb again... then he needs to go. Now.
But remember... this is the same guy who it took 5 years to admit that his team needed WR help.
AS A GM:
Holla at cha boy.
i cant see reid firing any of his peoples...johnson might 'retire' as others have mentioned but i just cant envision reid outright firing someone like dave culley
tra thomas has had a great year i dont know what youre watching...as long as hes healthy hes has to come back as i dont wanna go into next season with winston justice or bust at LT...altho i suppose herremans could move out and mjg move in at guard
agree on stallworth....he has to be re upped...no excuses
Andy isn't much better as a GM than he is a coach. if i had to choose one, i'd rather have him as the coach.
Quote from: SunMo on December 22, 2006, 10:49:40 AM
Ron Rivera, Juan Castillo, Brad Childress
Chicago's STs coach Dave Toub (http://www.chicagobears.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=4)
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on December 22, 2006, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: MURP on December 22, 2006, 11:01:40 AM
I cant take Reid anymore. Reid isnt going to change. Bottom line he got to one superbowl and lost. So did Jim Fassell. Things are a little rosey at the moment with the Eagles last few wins, but fact is that this year was disgusting. Lets see what everyone thinks next season when Reid bumbles with horrible clock management, awful playcalling, telling us that he needs to put people in a better position to make plays, yadda yadda. Even if there isnt a better coaching option out there atleast I can watch them obtain the same results without seeing his fat stupid head sweating after every loss.
Eagles need some major help beginning next season.
a) need to fire Pete Jenkins and (for the 6th consecutive year) Dave Culley
b) need to get a run stuffing DT, enough with the speed crap
c) CUT RENO MAHE, any other KR would taken that ball for 6
d) Reid needs to give up talent evaluation, game planning, play calling, and take a class on time management!
e) resign Stallworth.
f) CUT TRA "im good for 15 yards in penalties every game" Thomas
g) get a BIG BACK for short yardage
h) dump the Air Guitar bowtie guy
i) stop relying on Mcnabb
a - You don't fire Pete Jenkins after one year. Agreed on David Culley.
b - Agreed. Goodbye Darwin and Rayburn, hello fatbody run stuffer
c - Jeremy Bloom's job to lose next year. But the blocking MUST get better.
d - He should relinquish the VP title and let Heckert have full personnel control
e - Agreed
f - Why? Have you watched the games? Tra has been pretty damn good this year. He has 3 false start and 1 holding penalty all season long. And only 3 sacks allowed.
g - The big back thing is a myth. And an overused cliche
h - Agreed
i - agreed
I'm starting to come around on the Eagles needing a big back being a myth. When the oline gets a chance to run block 25+ times a game, they get in a good rhythm and have done a nice job moving the d-line backwards and opening up running lanes.
They may not need a big back but they do need another quality back to spell Westy. Buck is OK. but I would love to see someone else in there. As far as Reid goes, I agree %100 with MURP.
Watching this team in the last few games has made me even more mad with the way McNabb has been used. People can say what they want to about Garcia's fire, but he has also had the benefit of much better playcalling. McNabb is constantly asked to do way too much. NO Qb in the league has to carry the team the way McNabb has with the Eagles.
It depends on the rest of the season. If this team collapses and doesn't make the playoffs... gone. If they win 1/2 or 2/2 then I want him to stay. You gotta credit him for not losing his team when the going got tough.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 22, 2006, 03:02:51 PM
Watching this team in the last few games has made me even more mad with the way McNabb has been used. People can say what they want to about Garcia's fire, but he has also had the benefit of much better playcalling. McNabb is constantly asked to do way too much. NO Qb in the league has to carry the team the way McNabb has with the Eagles.
I completely agree.
I think McNabb's full of plenty competitive fire. I think the main reason he was so unbelievable early in the season was because he was still so pissed off about last season.
I wanted Fisher as HC 15 years ago. And I still would love to see him here.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 22, 2006, 03:02:51 PM
TheWatching this team in the last few games has made me even more mad with the way McNabb has been used. People can say what they want to about Garcia's fire, but he has also had the benefit of much better playcalling. McNabb is constantly asked to do way too much. NO Qb in the league has to carry the team the way McNabb has with the Eagles.
Yep... that's my thing too in a sense. If we had this kind of playcalling all the way through with McNabb, we'd already have a playoff spot locked up and be in better shape than we are now.
If Andy is prepared to keep this balanced attack going when McNabb gets back... then I'm all for it... because McNabb can be that much more lethal when a defense has other things to worry about... like a steady running game. My thing is, I'm not convinced that he's not just going to throw it all back on McNabb and it'll be right back to all passing... all the time.
Can anyone else recall any time this year that Buck and Westbrook were in the backfield at the same time while McNabb was at QB?
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 22, 2006, 05:32:17 PM
Can anyone else recall any time this year that Buck and Westbrook were in the backfield at the same time while McNabb was at QB?
Plenty of times - then 95% of the time, Westbrook would motion to the outside.
Sadly when next year rolls around Reid will still put too big of a burden on McNabb's shoulders and we'll all be saying the same thing.
The players are to blame as well, no reason to 'step up' once Garcia becomes the QB.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 22, 2006, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 22, 2006, 05:32:17 PM
Can anyone else recall any time this year that Buck and Westbrook were in the backfield at the same time while McNabb was at QB?
Plenty of times - then 95% of the time, Westbrook would motion to the outside.
Nah... I mean, back there together... and they actually ran the ball. Create some sort of diversity from the formation. Every time they were in that formation... we all (and I'm sure the defense) would just wait for Westbrook to split out wide.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 22, 2006, 02:05:03 PM
I'm starting to come around on the Eagles needing a big back being a myth. When the oline gets a chance to run block 25+ times a game, they get in a good rhythm and have done a nice job moving the d-line backwards and opening up running lanes.
I'd give up my Sunday Ticket for Brandon Jacobs.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 22, 2006, 06:42:18 PM
Nah... I mean, back there together... and they actually ran the ball.
I think I saw that happen twice the Giants game. First time I've seen it, and I only remember it because one of the commentators mentioned it.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 22, 2006, 05:32:17 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 22, 2006, 03:02:51 PM
TheWatching this team in the last few games has made me even more mad with the way McNabb has been used. People can say what they want to about Garcia's fire, but he has also had the benefit of much better playcalling. McNabb is constantly asked to do way too much. NO Qb in the league has to carry the team the way McNabb has with the Eagles.
If Andy is prepared to keep this balanced attack going when McNabb gets back... then I'm all for it... because McNabb can be that much more lethal when a defense has other things to worry about... like a steady running game. My thing is, I'm not convinced that he's not just going to throw it all back on McNabb and it'll be right back to all passing... all the time.
You know that would never happen though. It seems to take dire circumstance (0-2 start) before Reid realizes he needs to call running plays. Then he'll inevitably forget the lesson learned by the start of the next season if not sooner.
Quote from: Tomahawk on December 22, 2006, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 22, 2006, 05:32:17 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 22, 2006, 03:02:51 PM
TheWatching this team in the last few games has made me even more mad with the way McNabb has been used. People can say what they want to about Garcia's fire, but he has also had the benefit of much better playcalling. McNabb is constantly asked to do way too much. NO Qb in the league has to carry the team the way McNabb has with the Eagles.
If Andy is prepared to keep this balanced attack going when McNabb gets back... then I'm all for it... because McNabb can be that much more lethal when a defense has other things to worry about... like a steady running game. My thing is, I'm not convinced that he's not just going to throw it all back on McNabb and it'll be right back to all passing... all the time.
You know that would never happen though. It seems to take dire circumstance (0-2 start) before Reid realizes he needs to call running plays. Then he'll inevitably forget the lesson learned by the start of the next season if not sooner.
Hence... the last sentence of my post. ;)
Im drunk. Go Eagles. Reid is fat.
I said it before that I think Reid was a big part of McNabb getting hurt before. The passing worked for a while, but wasn't gonna work for ever. McNabb is a great running QB and that is why it did work for a while, but when you ask him to stay in the pocket forever... Well ask Randall Cunningham.
I don't see Reid being gone over the next couple of years, but he should be somewhere else in the org. JJ has been looking a bit elderly on the sidelines and so have some of his defenses.
I think we need a great defensive mind again to Head Coach and let Morningdude work on building the offense. If someone like Rex Ryan could head coach, we might have something for the future. Is there anybody out there like that anymore?
farg Reid.
also, farg Brandon Jacobs.
Quote from: shorebird on December 22, 2006, 07:03:17 PMI'd give up my Sunday Ticket for Brandon Jacobs.
He's a flash in the pan. Too big, to easy to hit. He'll be injured a lot. No thanks. I'm more interested in someone like TJ Duckett or Najeh Davenport. Not necessarily those two duded in particular, but of their ilk. Jacobs is like a big Eddie George.
I'd rather have Buck and his sewn together knees than Jacobs.
You guys are nuts, wait till next year when Tiki gone and we'll see how good he is.
If Brandon Jacobs is the Giants' main threat on the ground for the future... I'm loving that shtein. He runs WAY to high to be a consistent threat.
It's only his second year in the league. How can anyone not like what they see from this guy when he runs over linebackers?
It's this simple: he's too big. Way too much surface area for people like Dawkins and Williams to get a piece of. The guy is uncommonly fast and strong, but he's just too big. He simply cannot get his shoulders low enough to win the leverege battle. I can see him doing alright as a starter through the first half of an NFL season, but not much longer. He'll get broken down, slowed up, and then he's screwed.
Yeah he's big and tall, like a friggen' oak tree.
Jacobs is the big tree, defenders are the small ax.
Chop 'em down, chop 'em down.
Reid needs to go.
Jacobs is good but nothing special. I would take him.
Duckett is better. I would take him.
Buckhalter scares the piss out of me.
Fire Andy Reid.