Suppose that we accept that McNabb is not going to be back until midseason 2007. And that he's on the downturn, as some writers suggest.
What should be done?
I don't think free agency is a good option.
How about making a trade with some team that would give their left nut for a guy like McNabb...even if he's injured?
Do you think that Reid could start over with a new franchise QB if he had the opportunity to take one with a high first-round draft pick?
I thought about this. We could definitely muster up at least two very good picks for McNabb. People would kill for a QB like him.
As far as Reid starting over. I want him starting over elsewhere. His time is up here in Philly.
shot knee + age + salary = mcnabb untradeable
if you are really going to investigate this, we need to know what the cap impact of trading McNabb would be.
and I don't think he's as tradeable as some people think. why would a team give up multiple picks for a older qb coming off a bad knee injury when they can draft a young guy and develop him? (yeah, basically what IGY said, f off)
Some teams are stupid enough. See the Dolphins and Culpepper. Something tells me a team like the Lions with Matt Millen running the ship would pull the trigger on a trade like that.
trades like that dont happen in the nfl anyway...so im not sure why we are even discussing it
as for the future i dont think a qb has to be drafted this year but if there is one on the board that you really like and it makes sense at a particular spot then you do it...including in the first round
fyi: mcnabb makes 9 9.5 9.2 and 10 mil the next four years
i wonder how much signing bonus is spread over those years, because that's the number that messes with the cap if he is traded
The problem is that unless they totally tank, they probably won't be in a position to take one of the (potentially) elite guys.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 22, 2006, 09:57:02 AM
trades like that dont happen in the nfl anyway...so im not sure why we are even discussing it
as for the future i dont think a qb has to be drafted this year but if there is one on the board that you really like and it makes sense at a particular spot then you do it...including in the first round
Sure they do. They're en vogue for a team like Washington! :-D
depends on how many are available...Cutler lasted until after 10 this year, Rothlesberger the same thing when he was drafted
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 22, 2006, 10:02:19 AM
The problem is that unless they totally tank, they probably won't be in a position to take one of the (potentially) elite guys.
One thing is that Andy has never been gun shy on draft day. So that can always help.
Are yous the same dikholes that want to trade AI every year?
who's a fleshpophole? this is a hypothetical discussion.
douche.
wonder how much signing bonus is spread over those years, because that's the number that messes with the cap if he is traded
its all base salary...hes been paid all his bonuses
where does everyone stand on the qb positon
10 - mcnabb is done time to move on
5 - a qb doesnt have to be drafted this year but if there is one on the board that you really like and it makes sense at a particular spot then you do it...its time to acknowledge that the future is closer than we think
1 - dont even think about getting a young qb for at least another couple years
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Desperate franchises will give their left nut for a QB like McNabb. The thing is as long as the offensive scheme stays the same, maybe a select few QB's(Brady, Manning) would be able to do better than McNabb. Even if the Birds had Brady or Manning, next year with the same offensive playcalling, they wouldn't win the superbowl. If we had a dominant run game, with the personell to compliment that, I think we might have a chance. We could put an ok QB at the helm and tell him to throw 15-20 passes a game. The only way I would trade McNabb was if this was the scheme and the guy we got in return was a top 5 RB in the league to compliment that run style. Possibly have extra money from McNabb's contract to look for a mid-top level linebacker also...I mean I can dream about this on and on....REGGIE BUSH!!
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Blow it all up.
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I want to like McNabb, but he's frustrated me as much as thrilled me from Day One.
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10. Reid lost me when he gave the team off after 3 straight losses.
How does that relate to your view of what the team should do with/about McNabb/QB position?
Because you don't take an aging, beat up QB into a new system. You trade him for whatever you can get and start rebuilding.
I think you have to let McNabb take the helm again when he's healthy, but with a different offensive philosophy.
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If he can return and they put a bruising fullback in the back field, with a bona fide starting RB and change of pace RB to spell the starter, then yeah...
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 22, 2006, 01:19:03 PM
I think you have to let McNabb take the helm again when he's healthy, but with a different offensive philosophy.
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Exactly.
I don't think you necessarily HAVE TO draft a QB this year, but definitely within the next 3.
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Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 22, 2006, 09:47:59 AM
Do you think that Reid could start over with a new franchise QB if he had the opportunity to take one with a high first-round draft pick?
In a word, no. Unless it were determined that McNabb will never play another down of football, Reid is going to stick with him.
Besides, this team isn't bad enough to rebuild yet. Unfortunately, they aren't good enough to legitmately contend for anything beyond a wild card spot at best.
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Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 22, 2006, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 22, 2006, 09:47:59 AM
Do you think that Reid could start over with a new franchise QB if he had the opportunity to take one with a high first-round draft pick?
In a word, no. Unless it were determined that McNabb will never play another down of football, Reid is going to stick with him.
Besides, this team isn't bad enough to rebuild yet. Unfortunately, they aren't good enough to legitmately contend for anything beyond a wild card spot at best.
Note that I said "could," not "would." Meaning do you think he's capable of doing it?
I sway between a 4 and a 6, so I'll go with 5. McNabb is still the man until proven otherwise, but I would not be against drafting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 22, 2006, 02:28:55 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 22, 2006, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 22, 2006, 09:47:59 AM
Do you think that Reid could start over with a new franchise QB if he had the opportunity to take one with a high first-round draft pick?
In a word, no. Unless it were determined that McNabb will never play another down of football, Reid is going to stick with him.
Besides, this team isn't bad enough to rebuild yet. Unfortunately, they aren't good enough to legitmately contend for anything beyond a wild card spot at best.
Note that I said "could," not "would." Meaning do you think he's capable of doing it?
I know what ya meant. And the answer remains the same. Reid will stick with McNabb until death do them part. I mean that literally too. Reid's mormon and allowed to have multiple wives. So he probably married McNabb in a private ceremony.
Quote from: mussa on November 22, 2006, 10:26:49 AM
Desperate franchises will give their left nut for a QB like McNabb. The thing is as long as the offensive scheme stays the same, maybe a select few QB's(Brady, Manning) would be able to do better than McNabb. Even if the Birds had Brady or Manning, next year with the same offensive playcalling, they wouldn't win the superbowl. If we had a dominant run game, with the personell to compliment that, I think we might have a chance. We could put an ok QB at the helm and tell him to throw 15-20 passes a game. The only way I would trade McNabb was if this was the scheme and the guy we got in return was a top 5 RB in the league to compliment that run style. Possibly have extra money from McNabb's contract to look for a mid-top level linebacker also...I mean I can dream about this on and on....REGGIE BUSH!!
You wouldnt be able to win in the NFL only passing 15-20 times in the game. That is no better than what Reid does.
The key is balance. (obviously)
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