the bills granted his request to be released. I can't imagine he would command too much money from most teams, and he would be a good asset as a back up in case of injuries in the secondary. He already knows the D. He's a stallwort amongst philly fans. I may be asking for too much, but I think it might just be meant to be. I'll put him in my wish list before we get to the horribly rotten evil death trap of our schedule. thoughts?
Not out of the realm. I could see this happening. What does he have left though? He wouldn't be playing a whole lot so that might help his cause. Lito, Sheldon, Hanson, Wynn, Hood at CB. Do birds put Vincent at S?
locker room presense?
The Eagles do need a replacement bad-assador.
yeah, but perhaps one that doesnt think the window is closing so much?
Who would they cut to bring him in? I guess the only player would be Hanson. At this point though how much does Troy really have left?
Hanson was matched up against TO for most of the Dallas game and held his own, he's come around. Love Troy but he's old and probably wouldn't fit unless it was as a backup safety.
wasn't he playing safety in Buffalo anyway?
If only there was a place where we talked about players not on the Eagles.... If there was such a magical place, I bet we would've touched on this very topic.
Quote from: Zanshin on October 13, 2006, 08:37:09 AM
If only there was a place where we talked about players not on the Eagles.... If there was such a magical place, I bet we would've touched on this very topic.
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:-D
Considering Mike Lewis has been completely lost in coverage this season, I would strongly consider it.
No.
Who do you cut? You're going to have to cut a safety because that is where Troy plays now.
Going to cut Mikell? No way. Too important to STs
Going to cut Considine? Negative.
Dawkins? Ha.
Lewis? Nope.
And if you cut another player (Mahe) then you still have a problem because then you have to dress 5 safeties. Or you have to not dress a corner (Hanson or Wynn) and both of those guys are playing well in their respective roles.
So, no.
wouldnt sign him unless one of the current safeties gets injured.
If he doesn't get signed elsewhere, and someone in the secondary goes down, sure.
Otherwise, no.
I know Troy wants to play, but I can see him as a DB coach somewhere. Or else he moves into the executive ranks of the NFLPA.
Releasing Wynn would suffice. We'd still have Mahe to return punts. :(
49ers want to sign Vincent.
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=220601
Quote from: Butchers Bill on October 13, 2006, 09:48:07 AM
Releasing Wynn would suffice. We'd still have Mahe to return punts. :(
So you dress 5 safeties and 4 CBs when Hood returns?
Remember Troy doesn't play STs.
Wynn has been doing well.
Wynn has been impressive lately. I love troy but as was said unless someone goes down, we're ok in the secondary.
Yeah, I would Phreak. I've seen Lewis screw up enough in coverage this year to at least see what Troy has left in the tank. It'll be too late to sign him when Lewis blows a coverage in the playoffs.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on October 13, 2006, 09:54:19 AM
Yeah, I would Phreak. I've seen Lewis screw up enough in coverage this year to at least see what Troy has left in the tank. It'll be too late to sign him when Lewis blows a coverage in the playoffs.
Lewis ain't no great coverage guy - but that's crazy talk. As bad as he's been he's still a better cover guy than Roy Williams and several other SS's out there.
And if Hood goes down again? You have to bring Dexter back. What if someone else grabs Dexter?
They'll be fine.
If someone wanted Dexter, they could have had him after we cut him the first time.
Lewis is a liability in coverage. He almost blew the Cowboys game because he let a WR get behind him on 4th and 18...that is unacceptable.
Would Troy be better? I do not have the answer to that question. Thats why he'll have to work out for the coaches to see what he's got left. If he's got something left, he would be a great insurance policy.
That was prior to Dexter having the 2nd best PR average in the league Joel. He would be gone in a second this time around. Last time he got cut for Joselio Hanson so he had no stock
Quote from: Butchers Bill on October 13, 2006, 10:06:47 AM
If someone wanted Dexter, they could have had him after we cut him the first time.
Lewis is a liability in coverage. He almost blew the Cowboys game because he let a WR get behind him on 4th and 18...that is unacceptable.
Would Troy be better? I do not have the answer to that question. Thats why he'll have to work out for the coaches to see what he's got left. If he's got something left, he would be a great insurance policy.
Well, Dexter has looked much better this time around. The NFL teams saw him suck back then and see him playing well now.
That play was bad on Lewis' and Brown's part. Sheldon bit on the dig and Mike let him get deep. The PI was smart at the time because if he doesn't hack him, he likely scores. But it was his fault for putting himself in the hack or not situation.
But - I go back to my previous point. They can only dress 46 players on gameday. Troy doesn't play CB any longer and he doesn't play STs.
Who are you going to sit? Or are you going to decativate him each week ala the Skins with Duckett just in case? They do not have the luxury of doing that with the guys they have banged up. You dress 4 safeties (Dawk, Lewis, Considine & Mikell) and you dress 5 CBs because of Dexter's KR/PR ability (Brown, Sheppard, Hood, Hanson, Wynn)
You could sit or cut Wynn and then you still have 4 S's and 4 CBs ahead of Troy. There is no room for him, bro. And they are not benching Lewis - thats crazy
Michael Lewis is tied for second on the team in tackles, and tied for first in passes defended.
I like having that little giddy-up in the punt return game...I won't deny that. So lets say they want/need to keep Wynn. Mahe now becomes expendable because they have Westy, Buck, Moats, Tapeh at RB and Wynn to return punts.
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 13, 2006, 10:12:36 AM
Michael Lewis is tied for second on the team in tackles, and tied for first in passes defended.
For the same reason Everson Walls used to lead the league in INT's every year. Teams are throwing his way because they know they will beat him for a big play.
Reno has been a solid ST'er this year as always. The only way troy comes back is as a coach/badassador or with an injury to Mikell or Considine
Jesus...I never thought I'd hear someone defending Mahe's ST's ability. He should be serving me fries at Chickie and Pete's not playing professional football.
Troy, if he was willing, would make an excellent insurance policy on obvious passing downs. Not saying he should/could come in a start, but in some situations he could certainly help.
I hear you, BB. But it just comes down to gameday roster and who is active. No room.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 13, 2006, 10:34:06 AM
I hear you, BB. But it just comes down to gameday roster and who is active. No room.
You are right of course...thats the key. I believe he makes the team better, but opinions vary. Thats why AR and Heckert (a.k.a. Henry Rollins) get paid more than you and I will in our lifetimes...to make these desicions.
I think he could end up in Dallas. I originally thought Washington but Dallas is in dire need of safety help.
Watkins could be benched for Keith Davis who sucks.
The Cowboys have two open roster spots right now after cutting Shaun Suisham and plaving Ryan Hannam on IR.
That would make me sick if he went to Dallas
Eventhough Vincent has been playing safety if he were brought in for whatever reason, I think it would be to play both CB and S. Theres always room for guys like Vincent on the team, but I don't think it is really a big need for Philly.
Either way, Lewis needs to be replaced.
IGY's boy should be out there in situations like that.
Sign Vincent.
Unless one of the safeties gets injured, this thought would not even cross my mind.
Quote from: Diomedes on October 13, 2006, 09:42:56 AM
If he doesn't get signed elsewhere, and someone in the secondary goes down, sure.
Otherwise, no.
Makes sense.
Why would Vincent want to sign with Philly considering their window was closing a few years ago?
A Mad-Lad sighting :sly
Troy will make an excellent coach one day, when you look at how he and Bobby taught up Sheldon, Lito, and Dirty One
I will pray for retard #2 to get hurt so we can get Vincent back. The position may still be a liability on the field, but I'm willing to take that risk.
Get Vincent!
This is the year 1998, right?
If Hood was healthy we wouldn't even be talking about this.
No. Hanson is playing well and Hood should be back soon. Considine has shown to play well in his role as well. As much as Mike Lewis is in my personal dog house for his coverage in defending the pass as of late, he is still better than most SS, and he is a sure tackler who can lay the lumber.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on October 13, 2006, 09:54:19 AM
Yeah, I would Phreak. I've seen Lewis screw up enough in coverage this year to at least see what Troy has left in the tank. It'll be too late to sign him when Lewis blows a coverage in the playoffs Tampa game.
Updated. :boom
My mind is changing...
Replacing inept slowness with slow leadership? What's the holdup?
Sign Tim Hauck.
Last time they were in NO he killed someone.
Kill Lewis, sign Hauck. I should be GM.
Tim Hauck hasn't played in how many years now?
he's a robot, who cares....
a killer robot that is
Hauck has probably been roping cattle in Montana. He's in game condition.
He's 48 years old!
I think he's coaching in Montana now.
Either way...Hauck > Lewis.
Matt Stevens > Lewis
Where the hell is Andre Waters these days? Suit him up.
White LB > Lewis. Oh, farg, put Greg Lewis out there.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 13, 2006, 04:26:11 PM
A Mad-Lad sighting :sly
Troy will make an excellent coach one day, when you look at how he and Bobby taught up Sheldon, Lito, and Dirty One
Troy? a coach? if he knows anything about how to use time-outs, sign him!
lol...Lewis is losing money with every play.
get bishop!
Do any of you actually want Vincent?
I honestly think he is worth a look. He can't be any worse than Lewis at this point. The biggest question is, if we bring Vincent in, then who is the odd man out? Wynn?
Also what spot did Troy play in Buffalo? Was it FS or SS?
He played FS and after today's debacle, yes. He knows the system and won't make bonehead plays like Lewis. Cut Mahe loose to make room...farger is always hurt now anyway.
Regardless of whether we get Vincent or not, I think it is clear cut now what we are drafting in round 1 of next year's draft.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on October 15, 2006, 08:40:49 PM
Regardless of whether we get Vincent or not, I think it is clear cut now what we are drafting in round 1 of next year's draft.
Of course it is. OL. It is still Andy Reid.
Right, because we didn't draft defense in 3 of the last 4 drafts in the first roud.
And now that the D-line is shored up, it's time to replace those aging tackles. Again.
They also need to look down the road for Dawk too. Combine that with Lewis stinking it up, I think safety is the way to go. You already have depth on the o-line.
I'd sign Vincent.
I wouldn't shed a tear if Lewis was waived or traded this week. At the very least, they need to get somebody else on the field to play safety in their 4-1-6 nickel defense.
QuoteVincent not in Eagles' plans
Saturday, October 14, 2006
BY MARK ECKEL
TIMES STAFF COLUMNIST
All Troy Vincent wanted was to get out of Buffalo, and when he finally could, he couldn't.
Vincent, who asked for his release from the Bills a week ago, got it Thursday when the team, which placed him on injured reserve-minor after Week 1 of the season, gave him his wish.
Then, the snowstorm hit.
"I'm stuck here," Vincent, the Trenton native, said from his cell phone yesterday afternoon. "The airport is closed. There's no power. It's freezing. I don't have any clothes with me except what I'm wearing. All I wanted to do was go home."
Home, as in Yardley, Pa., to his wife and children, not home to the Eagles, where he played for eight years and went to five Pro Bowls.
Since the Bills released him, Vincent has heard from and has had contact with close to a dozen teams; none of them call Lincoln Financial Field home.
"No, I'm not going back to the Eagles," he said. "You can let everyone know that. I'm getting the same calls you are. And I don't want to get anyone's hopes up."
Thursday night, I hosted a show on WIP (610 AM) and fielded several calls about whether Vincent would come back and how much sense it would make for both sides. Yesterday morning when I woke up, I was greeted with messages and e-mails along the same lines.
It's not happening.
Vincent will play again, and he could sign somewhere as soon as today. It's just not going to be with the Eagles.
"My time in Philly was great," he said. "It was fine, it was fun and it was full. But it's over. They have a good, young secondary there. My days there are finished. I'm not going to go back there and just be tolerated. I don't want to end up like Hugh Douglas. It didn't work for him when he went back and I don't think it would work for me."
It's going to work somewhere.
Vincent, while he tried to arrange a way home from Buffalo -- "I'm trying to get a private plane, a car, anything," he said -- contemplated his future.
"I'm getting a lot more attention now than when I was a free agent a few years ago," he said. "It's been crazy."
Price has a lot to do with that.
Buffalo is into Vincent for his entire $2.6 million contract this season. Any deal he signs with another team is just a bonus on top of that of $2.6 million.
"I guess I'm a bargain," the cornerback/safety said with a laugh.
He may come cheaper than normal, but he's not coming just for the rest of the season.
"I don't want to be a guy just to get you through the season," he said. "I told teams that. I want a two-year deal, minimum."
Vincent is 35. He'll be 36 next June and probably won't see a sixth Pro Bowl. He can be a huge addition to a team in need of a veteran leader, however, and still can be an excellent player in a nickel defense, whether at cornerback or free safety.
San Francisco, one of the teams that have called more than once, would put him right in its starting lineup.
But does he want to go 3,000 miles away from home to play for a team that has very little shot of making the playoffs, let alone getting him to his first Super Bowl?
"It's not about the money this time," Vincent said. "There are other things to consider."
Vincent would prefer to stay close to home, which makes the Giants, another team that has called, quite attractive. And he would like a shot for a ring, the only thing he has not gotten from this game, which makes Chicago and Seattle, two other interested teams, very intriguing.
Other teams that are on the list -- and it's probably grown as he waited in the Buffalo airport -- include Tampa Bay and Miami, the team he began his career with as a first-round pick in 1992.
Miami was the pick of many (me included) to go to the Super Bowl. The team has struggled and is off to a dismal 1-4 start.
Maybe a veteran such as Vincent is what the Dolphins need to kick-start the rest of their talent.
"Miami, where it all started," Vincent said. "Wouldn't that be interesting?"
Now this was written on Saturday - did yesterday change the Eagles' minds? I'm sure their minds are changed as far as Mike Lewis goes but only to start Sean Considine - not to sign Vincent.
Vincent signs with the Skins (http://www.taterskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=21078)
And yes, I purposely posted this in 3 places to piss certain members who will go un-named off.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 16, 2006, 03:06:40 PM
Vincent signs with the Skins (http://www.taterskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=21078)
And yes, I purposely posted this in 3 places to piss certain members who will go un-named off.
Haha! The Skins signing another washed up veteran with nothing left. :paranoid
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 16, 2006, 03:06:40 PM
Vincent signs with the Skins (http://www.taterskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=21078)
And yes, I purposely posted this in 3 places to piss certain members who will go un-named off.
Unreal.
I knew it. It was going to be there or Dallas, IMO.
The skins are obviously signing him just to get our playbook.
Quote from: methdeez on October 17, 2006, 01:47:09 AM
The skins are obviously signing him just to get our playbook.
give um Mike Lewis' playbook.
lock city
Quote from: FFatPatt on October 17, 2006, 08:40:57 AM
lock city
That actually sounds like a good title for the next installment of Grant Theft Auto.