from Lenny P
QuoteIt hasn't yet developed into a case of all-out buyer's remorse but, when it comes to defensive tackle Corey Simon, some doubts are beginning to creep in about the Indianapolis Colts' decision in the summer of 2005 to sign him to a five-year, $30 million contract shortly after the Philadelphia Eagles cut him free.
The thinking at the time was that Simon, who had missed all of training camp, would provide the undersized Colts the kind of wide-bodied run-stuffer the club did not have on its roster. Simon reported overweight and out of shape, however, and, while he played well in spurts, collected just 41 tackles, didn't have a single sack, and clearly wasn't the difference-maker many anticipated he might be in the Indianapolis one-gap scheme. This year, after quietly undergoing arthroscopic left knee surgery in August, the six-year veteran hasn't returned to practice yet, much less played in a game, and he will sit out Sunday's key matchup against Jacksonville.
Simon is said to have dealt, at least somewhat, with the weight issues he brought with him to Indianapolis in 2005, but one has to wonder now if his conditioning is suffering again from inactivity. The Colts gave Simon $13 million in guarantees and, by the end of this season, will have invested about $16 million in him. His base salary for 2006 is $2.5 million, but then it escalates to $3.55 million in 2007 and $5 million each in 2008 and 2009. That's nearly $14 million in those years and, if Simon doesn't get back on the field soon and produce, the Colts might want to reconsider whether he is worth that kind of money. ESPN.com was among those that lauded the addition of Simon in 2005. Now we're beginning to wonder about it and, more important, so are a few people in the Colts' organization
But...but...he was the reason our D suffered last season. Maybe it's just ESPN and their lousy reporting, but who in their right minds would have ever thought of Corey as a 'run stuffing' type DT? A good pass rushing DT? Yes. A guy who can collapse a pocket and open things up for the rest of the D-line? Yes. A run stuffing D? No. He was adequate against the run and thats being somewhat generous.
Sign Simon, trade Rayburn!!
Even though they made the right decision by not keeping him in 2005, they made the wrong one by first franchising him and then hoping to get a trade or hoping he'd play... so they were stuck with less depth at DT than they'd planned AND they didn't even get a compensatory pick when he signed elsewhere. Just a complete botch-job thru and thru.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on September 22, 2006, 05:09:24 PM
Sign Simon, trade Rayburn!!
theres something about your posts that make me want to shoot something
When you pick up the gun, shoot the closest person to the gun that is not anyone else.
I relish Simon's failure. He deserves every morsel of it.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 22, 2006, 06:48:27 PM
I relish Simon's failure. He deserves every morsel of it.
Ditto.
yes, damn him for trying to get as much money as possible in an unfair system! damn him!
I don't fault him for that. I fault him for allowing himself to become a fat piece of shtein every off-season, thereby slowing eroding any effectiveness or value he offered to the team he wanted money from.
If you want to get paid, you gotta earn it. Worked for Westbrook, worked for Jamaal Jackson, worked for Shawn Andrews.
Haha. :-D
Quote from: SunMo on September 22, 2006, 07:07:47 PM
yes, damn him for trying to get as much money as possible in an unfair system! damn him!
I don't think anyone here had a problem with him trying to get more money. Here's what I (and I'm guessing most everyone else) had a problem with.
1. He was overweight and out of shape.
2. His performance on the field was clearly a result of his poor conditioning.
3. He wanted to be paid for services he obviously wasn't providing.
4. He was under contract and didn't show up to work.
I absolutely hate it when players hold out during camp/preseason/reg season because they aren't happy with the contract they signed. Every player in the NFL has a right to ask for more money, just like any one of us has a right to ask our employer for a raise. Well, except me. I can't ask the guvment for a raise. But I digress.....
Players can ask for more money all they want. But if they don't get it they still need to report to work on time and ready to go. I don't care if it's someone like Hines Ward who deserved to get a lot more money than he was making. You got a contract, you show up to work.
That's why I'm glad to see Simon failing. I'm glad because he acted like a douchebag here and he's acting like a douchebag there. Too bad Indy gave him so much guaranteed money because I'm sure the extra coin in his pocket is really making it easier to deal with the fact that he's not out there playing.
Quote from: SunMo on September 22, 2006, 07:07:47 PM
yes, damn him for trying to get as much money as possible while not managing to keep his fat ass in shape to justify earning a penny more than he was making in an unfair system! damn him!
I agree...
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 22, 2006, 07:29:45 PM
Quote from: SunMo on September 22, 2006, 07:07:47 PM
yes, damn him for trying to get as much money as possible while not managing to keep his fat ass in shape to justify earning a penny more than he was making in an unfair system! damn him!
I agree...
I guess that's a more brief way of putting it.
i agree with you all, but he got what he wantd, so I guess his strategy worked
And he didn't even have to do much to get it.
Quote from: SunMo on September 22, 2006, 08:13:46 PM
i agree with you all, but he got what he wantd, so I guess his strategy worked
Yep. The only winner in the Corey Simon mess was, in fact, Corey Simon.
per pft
QuotePOLIAN GETTING RIPPED IN LEAGUE CIRCLES
Multiple league sources have sounded off to us regarding the manner in which the Indianapolis Colts (and, more specifically, president Bill Polian) have handled the situation regarding defensive tackle Corey Simon.
Some folks are pointing all the way back to the decision to sign Simon after the Eagles removed the franchise tag from him. "People around the league are laughing their asses off," said one source. "No one wanted Simon long term because he was considered a turd at Philadelphia. The Colts overpaid him and were only bidding against themselves."
Opined another league source in the wake of the decision to put Simon on the non-football injury/illness list and not pay him the rest of his 2006 salary, "He seems to be the biggest icehole in the league, but no one talks about him. . . . [H]e thinks he's the Commissioner of the NFL. They are bitching about the substitution rule as if those [really bad word that even we can't find a good way to partially block] are free of manipulation of the rules. The fat ass of all time D-line coach [John Teerlinck] teaches to go low at quarterbacks to more easily get them off their game and if they get hurt in the process so be it. They pump noise into their stadium and when the opponents have the ball so their midget defensive ends can get a better jump."
It's prompted some in league circles to refer to Polian as "Nepolian."
Not bad. We didn't come up with it, but we're happy to start using it.
Interesting. I always thought he was a super nice guy.
The media in Buffalo always played him up to be Man of the Year.
QuoteRUMORS PERSIST THAT SIMON HAS PAINKILLER ADDICTION
Despite media reports that Colts defensive tackle Corey Simon is suffering from polyarthritis, there is rampant talk in league circles that he developed a dependency on painkillers following arthroscopic surgery in August.
And if this is true (and we're not reporting that it is) it would explain why the Colts are so sensitive about the situation. Several years back, it was disclosed that Colts owner Jim Irsay had been struggling with painkiller addiction.
Meanwhile, we're also hearing that Simon insists that he has no non-football illness that would prevent him from playing, and that he's simply having trouble with his knee.
So regardless of whether Simon is struggling with painkillers (and again we're not saying that he is), it's increasingly obvious that his polyarthritis nonsense is a pretext for a case of buyer's remorse.
let's all pray that corey's medical problems don't shorten his hall of fame career.
And we pray. :evil
QuotePaul Domowitch | Source says Simon uninterested
by Paul Domowitch
THE COLTS' decision to put defensive tackle Corey Simon on the non-football illness-injury list last week had nothing to do with a mystery illness and everything to do with the club's belief that he didn't want to play football, according to a source close to the situation.
Simon, 29, who signed a 6-year, $30 million contract with the Colts last August after the Eagles removed the franchise tag from him, already has received more than $14 million in bonuses and salary from the Colts.
He had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee in mid-August to repair some minor cartilage damage. The Colts had expected him back by the start of the season. But last week, he still was insisting his knee wasn't well enough for him to play. His weight, according to the source, also has been ballooning. When he played for the Eagles in 2004, he weighed about 305. When he signed with the Colts last season after sitting out training camp and all of the Eagles' offseason workouts, he was up to 325. Now, he's on the plus side of 350, the source said.
ESPN reported last week that Simon was diagnosed with polyarthritis, which is arthritis that affects at least five joints. But both Colts owner Jim Irsay and Simon's agent, Roosevelt Barnes, have disputed that."There was nothing conclusive or decisive that was diagnosed,'' Irsay said last week. "Corey said he couldn't return, couldn't go, couldn't participate.''
By putting Simon on the non-football illness-injury list, the Colts don't have to pay him the remaining $1.9 million of his 2006 salary. According to the source, the Colts almost certainly will release Simon after the season.
Neither Simon nor Barnes returned phone messages from the Daily News yesterday.
Colts general manager Bill Polian's decision to sign Simon was curious right from the start. At the time, they were looking for a tackle to shore up their run defense. But Simon always had been a much better pass rusher than run defender. When he arrived in Indy overweight, he wasn't even an effective pass rusher anymore. He didn't have a single sack in 13 games last season.
Isn't it weird how he might be "disinterested" after he took 14M of the Colts' money?
Dude, it's hard to spend all that money when you're on the football field.
He has 14 million reasons to want to sit home and eat himself to death.
Anyone have that pic of Corey showing up to Colts training camp all trim and in shape this year? That makes his ballooning up to 350+ all the more impresssive.
Looking for it now; but I found this...
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051014/051014_simon_vmed_1p.widec.jpg)
Combine pic
(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/2000/nfldraft/players/images/simon_corey.jpg)
45 lbs in 2 years....wtf
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 13, 2006, 10:02:28 AM
45 lbs in 2 years....wtf
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What about how "thin" he was when he came to camp this year? And he's back up over 350? WTF?
He really did become the stay puffed marshmellow man
Hey, that food in Indianapolis is awesome, you know. All those cheesesteaks...jumbalaya...chili....Doritos...
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 13, 2006, 10:02:28 AM
45 lbs in 2 years....wtf
In that training camp pic we had this year, he looked under 300.
Everyone has an opinion about the FO...but Derrick Burgess aside, when the Eagles FO lets a guy walk, other teams might want to start thinking really hard before doling out the FA $.
Burgess in 2005:
57 tackles (51 solo), 16 sacks, 3 forced fumbles
Projected 2006:
48 tackles (44 solo), 8 sacks, 0 forced fumbles
His 2006 season so far resembles his rookie year of 2001...
He doent have anyone on the line with him, and Sapp is a shell of what he was
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 13, 2006, 09:48:44 AM
Anyone have that pic of Corey showing up to Colts training camp all trim and in shape this year? That makes his ballooning up to 350+ all the more impresssive.
Here's a link to the pic but its been deleted, couldn't find another one: http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/81275b32-1d82-4d9f-b926-07787c1a7c9f.jpg
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 13, 2006, 11:39:28 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 13, 2006, 09:48:44 AM
Anyone have that pic of Corey showing up to Colts training camp all trim and in shape this year? That makes his ballooning up to 350+ all the more impresssive.
Here's a link to the pic but its been deleted, couldn't find another one: http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/81275b32-1d82-4d9f-b926-07787c1a7c9f.jpg
You purposely posted a link that you know doesn't work? Good form.
Yeah I had already checked archive.org for that link earlier. Unless someone saved a copy, I think that photo's gone forever.
Simon's got a serious disease....polyflabitis....the technical term for fat lazy bastich...
a visual comparison of the Eagles Corey vs the Indy Corey is here: //spamgasm
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 13, 2006, 09:48:44 AM
Anyone have that pic of Corey showing up to Colts training camp all trim and in shape this year? That makes his ballooning up to 350+ all the more impresssive.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/qwert246/Egals%20Suck%20Ritchie%20Kotites%20Sack/81275b32-1d82-4d9f-b926-07787c1a7c9.jpg)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/qwert246/Egals%20Suck%20Ritchie%20Kotites%20Sack/051014_simon_vmed_1p.jpg)
Wow. Is that picture doctored or is it for real?
That picture is real...from his first game as a Colt, I believe.
Fatass wants even more money from the Colts. (http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061021/SPORTS02/610210379/1002/SPORTS)
Scroll down to the bottom for the bit on Simon.
QuoteFormer Eagle: The NFL Players Association filed a grievance with the league Friday on behalf of Corey Simon, the Colts' defensive tackle sidelined the rest of the season because of an undisclosed illness, The Indianapolis Star reported.
The team said two weeks ago that the illness was not football-related and that the former Eagle would not be paid the rest of his 2006 salary, about $2 million.
A telephone message seeking comment was left by The Associated Press for Simon's agent, Roosevelt Barnes.
Colts spokesman Craig Kelley also would not comment on the grievance, and the AP left other messages for spokesmen for the NFL and the players association.