Who would you guys take in a one on one trade for Donovan? Salary cap doesn't count. To keep it interesting, name 4.
I can only come up with two, Payton Manning and Tom Brady.
How about you guys?
Quote from: stalker on March 17, 2006, 09:18:49 PM
Who would you guys take in a one on one trade for Donovan? Salary cap doesn't count. To keep it interesting, name 4.
I can only come up with two, Payton Manning and Tom Brady.
How about you guys?
Timmy Chang
Brad Goebel
Casey Weldon
Don McPherson
Seriously, Brady, that's it. Maybe Manning and possibly Hassleback who I really do believe is starting to develop into a good qb. Palmer has to do it again this year to convince me. I used to really be impressed with Delhome but for every two good games he has, he has one that is just terrible which really exposes how bad he can be. This why I never bitch about DMac. Not much beter out there.
considering you can only trade for 1 player... and if you trade for a position other than QB you are left with Jeff Garcia as your starting QB.... Id say the only trade would be for Tom Brady. The only QB out there with a proven track record of winning SB's. That's about it.
Tom Brady
LaDanian Tomlinson
Peyton Manning
crack rocks
Fraggle Rock
T.O.
Reno
zAaRon BROOKS!11
Forsure:
Brady
Thomlinson
Maybe:
C. Johnson
A. Gates
Never:
T.O.
Alexander
Quote from: 4and26 on March 18, 2006, 12:27:18 PM
Forsure:
Brady
Thomlinson
Maybe:
C. Johnson
A. Gates
Never:
T.O.
Alexander
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Culpepper if he ever gets back into it.
Manning.
Tomlinson.
Brady, Tomlinson, Alexander and MAYBE Larry Johnson eventually but not right now. End transmission.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 20, 2006, 05:56:02 PM
MAYBE Larry Johnson eventually
Your PSU homerism is showing.
Is Pat Ryan still available?
Brady and Brady only.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 20, 2006, 06:09:30 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 20, 2006, 05:56:02 PM
MAYBE Larry Johnson eventually
Your PSU homerism is showing.
I would give LJ a 30% chance of breaking 2000 yards this season. Which is about three times higher than I would give any other RB. It has more to do with the team than with him, but still. The dude could do it behind that line and you know that if Herm Edwards could get almost 1700 yards out of an aging Curtis Martin, he'll have no fear of running LJ into the ground.
Is he as good as the other RBs listed? I don't think so, but he's in the perfect situation to lead the league in yardage next year.
None...not a single player. I don't care what Brady did in the past. I don't care about Manning. Donovan has flair and he is a helluva good guy. Screw pretty boy Tom.
Donovan is my one and only!
I would trade all of you and most of the people I know for Tom Brady.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 20, 2006, 07:03:42 PM
I would trade all of you and most of the people I know for Tom Brady.
Even me?
People. People. Don't want to defy the lord, but McNabb really isn't that good.....2004 was the only year he had atleast a 90 QB average. This is probably because we had a top-tier receiver like TO. If you don't look at 2004, he's only been good-great, not excellent.
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on March 20, 2006, 11:48:24 PM
People. People. Don't want to defy the lord, but McNabb really isn't that good.....2004 was the only year he had atleast a 90 QB average. This is probably because we had a top-tier receiver like TO. If you don't look at 2004, he's only been good-great, not excellent.
I completely disagree, throughout his entire career he's had the lousiest receivers in the league (2004 was the exception) and has never really had a great ground game to take some pressure off him. Name me one QB who's done more with less.
Tom Brady.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 20, 2006, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on March 20, 2006, 11:48:24 PM
People. People. Don't want to defy the lord, but McNabb really isn't that good.....2004 was the only year he had atleast a 90 QB average. This is probably because we had a top-tier receiver like TO. If you don't look at 2004, he's only been good-great, not excellent.
I completely disagree, throughout his entire career he's had the lousiest receivers in the league (2004 was the exception) and has never really had a great ground game to take some pressure off him. Name me one QB who's done more with less.
...and he'll have to keep doing more with less too...
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 20, 2006, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on March 20, 2006, 11:48:24 PM
People. People. Don't want to defy the lord, but McNabb really isn't that good.....2004 was the only year he had atleast a 90 QB average. This is probably because we had a top-tier receiver like TO. If you don't look at 2004, he's only been good-great, not excellent.
I completely disagree, throughout his entire career he's had the lousiest receivers in the league (2004 was the exception) and has never really had a great ground game to take some pressure off him. Name me one QB who's done more with less.
Brady. Branch and Givens were good, but they're nowhere near to TO.
We're not counting the year with TO. Minus 2004, McNabb has thrown to...
CHarles Johnson and Torrence Small
James Thrash and Todd Pinkston, and Na Brown
Same three
Same two and Freddie
and then Reggie Brown and Greg Lewis.
I'm a Pinkston supporter, and I think Reggie is and will be a good #1 in the future....but none of those combinations are close to Deion Branch/David Givens, not to mention Troy Brown before he started to lose it, and David Patten, and Bethel Johnson.
And Brady had a pretty good running game, minus the one year. And I think that was the year they missed the playoffs.
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on March 22, 2006, 10:51:09 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 20, 2006, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on March 20, 2006, 11:48:24 PM
People. People. Don't want to defy the lord, but McNabb really isn't that good.....2004 was the only year he had atleast a 90 QB average. This is probably because we had a top-tier receiver like TO. If you don't look at 2004, he's only been good-great, not excellent.
I completely disagree, throughout his entire career he's had the lousiest receivers in the league (2004 was the exception) and has never really had a great ground game to take some pressure off him. Name me one QB who's done more with less.
Brady. Branch and Givens were good, but they're nowhere near to TO.
Brady has had a much better supporting cast than McNabb... Branch, Givens and Patton (not to mention Dillion) dwarf any receivers McNabb has had to work with not named T.O.
Feva, Brady won two superbowls with Antwain Smith as his running back. The first SB was won with Troy Brown as their best receiver. Their defense had ONE star in Ty Law (unless you count Lawyer Milloy or Bruschi, but Bruschi wasn't the player then that he is now). That team sucked and Tom Brady was the only reason they won. don't tell me he had a good supporting cast. He had shtein.
eagles had just as good teams in their conf championship runs as new england had in their superbowl runs...brady elevated his team to over the top levels....mcnabb did not...simple as that
Quote from: rjs246 on March 23, 2006, 08:17:58 AM
Feva, Brady won two superbowls with Antwain Smith as his running back. The first SB was won with Troy Brown as their best receiver. Their defense had ONE star in Ty Law (unless you count Lawyer Milloy or Bruschi, but Bruschi wasn't the player then that he is now). That team sucked and Tom Brady was the only reason they won. don't tell me he had a good supporting cast. He had shtein.
Tell me that you wouldn't trade Troy Brown, Patton, Givens and Branch for ANY COMBINATION of Pinkston, Thrash, Mitchell, Lewis, Na Brown, Johnson, Small, Freeman and McMullen and I'll shut up.
Tell me that you wouldn't trade Troy Brown, Patton, Givens and Branch for ANY COMBINATION of Pinkston, Thrash, Mitchell, Lewis, Na Brown, Johnson, Small, Freeman and McMullen and I'll shut up.
hindsight is 20/20...before brady made those guys what they are you wouldnt have said that...it would have been a toss up at best
Tell me that you wouldn't rather have Staley, Buckhalter, Westbrook and Lewis than Antwain Smith, Kevin Faulk and Christian Fauria.
Their receivers were a half-notch better than the Eagles receivers. The difference is that they have a QB who makes them look good. The Eagles have a QB who makes his receivers look lke exactly what they are. If they're good, he makes them look good. If they suck, well, its pretty obvious.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 23, 2006, 09:04:46 AM
Tell me that you wouldn't rather have Staley, Buckhalter, Westbrook and Lewis than Antwain Smith, Kevin Faulk and Christian Fauria.
Their receivers were a half-notch better than the Eagles receivers. The difference is that they have a QB who makes them look good. The Eagles have a QB who makes his receivers look lke exactly what they are. If they're good, he makes them look good. If they suck, well, its pretty obvious.
Ahhhh this is the most accurate disciption of D Mac ever. This is what we get for having an FO that thinks they are draft guru's
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 09:00:07 AM
Tell me that you wouldn't trade Troy Brown, Patton, Givens and Branch for ANY COMBINATION of Pinkston, Thrash, Mitchell, Lewis, Na Brown, Johnson, Small, Freeman and McMullen and I'll shut up.
hindsight is 20/20...before brady made those guys what they are you wouldnt have said that...it would have been a toss up at best
Quote from: rjs246 on March 23, 2006, 09:04:46 AM
Tell me that you wouldn't rather have Staley, Buckhalter, Westbrook and Lewis than Antwain Smith, Kevin Faulk and Christian Fauria.
Their receivers were a half-notch better than the Eagles receivers. The difference is that they have a QB who makes them look good. The Eagles have a QB who makes his receivers look lke exactly what they are. If they're good, he makes them look good. If they suck, well, its pretty obvious.
So both of you believe that Brady could have turned these guys into something? Or Brady would have won a Super Bowl with these guys where McNabb failed?
i absolutely believe that...its not like mcnabb missed the playoffs or never won a playoff game with what he had and im saying brady could have went from out of the playoffs to a superbowl...
mcnabb was in conference championship games...and i think the difference btwn the two is just that...one is a good qb and one is great qb
Yep. Brady under pressure is the picture of what you want your QB to be.
Now, don't get me wrong. McNabb has every opportunity to get better with age and many QBs do exactly that and win SBs in their later years. I'm not saying he can't win by any stretch, but Brady, with the Eagles teams that made it to the NFCCGs would have won a Superbowl. I have no doubt.
If you say so.
I do.
to be fair to mcnabb...brady also has one of the best coaches of all-time
belichek>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>andy
Quote from: rjs246 on March 23, 2006, 09:59:14 AM
I do.
I know you do. Don't get it twisted though, it doesn't make you less wrong... just that I don't feel like having this discussion for the 739th time right now. Maybe later.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 09:59:18 AM
to be fair to mcnabb...brady also has one of the best coaches of all-time
belichek>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>andy
I can agree with that... give or take a ">" or two.
Pointless arguments where I am clearly right is what the offseason is all about.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 23, 2006, 10:32:50 AM
Pointless arguments where I am clearly right is what the offseason is all about.
Well, you'd think we were smack dab in the middle of the reg. season considering how far off base you are right about now.
How can any sane football fan for one second believe that Tom Brady is not the superior quarterback in this comparison? I love McNabb. He's the best QB this team has seen. He's a good leader, has a great arm and can make things happen. He's the face of the Eagles and rightfully so. And I would trade him for Brady in a heartbeat.
You misunderstood me.
I believe wholeheartedly that Brady is a better QB than McNabb. Where you and I differ is on both players' surrounding cast and if you switched the situations... then it would be the Eagles with the 3 Lombardi trophies and the Pats the ones who couldn't win the big game.
That said... I would also trade McNabb for Brady. He's the only QB that I would and even then, I don't think that automatically makes us Super Bowl champs in any of the situations we came up short. Maybe we do end up winning one... but to treat it as a given is a mistake, IMO.
And... whoever said anything about me being a sane football fan?
I'm not saying that the Eagles would have won 3 Lombardis, I'm saying I have no doubt that they would have won at least ONE trophy. So really we're saying more or less the same thing.
Cram it.
Love you too, hon.
Die.
Put any quaterback behind there, thats not afraid to release the ball when the receivers make their breaks, instead of waiting until they are dead open-- and we win one of those bowls. McNabbs lacks the key fundamentals, and relies on pure arm strength and athleticism to win the majority of games.
BUT, thats all we got and Im sticking by him to do something.
I give McNabb credit for being such an athlete and he was doing good with the receivers the Eagles had. But we saw the best of McNabb when he had a guy like TO to throw to, but a lot of quarterbacks can do the same if they had receivers like you-know-who.
The question is though how many QB's can do what McNabb has done with the guys he's had to throw to.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 24, 2006, 06:18:34 AM
The question is though how many QB's can do what McNabb has done with the guys he's had to throw to.
your right, not many, but how many
decent quaterbacks actually use the proper mechanics where they step into their throws, hit their reciever in stride and the ball goes in their chest....not at their shoelace. There is a reson why he throws ground balls, and its not because he's under pressure.
Every quaterback makes mistakes, but our boy Donavan needs to go to Arizona this off-season and try something new.
Are we all stuck in a time warp from 2002-2003 here?
Even injured and with little protection, Donovan looked more accurate last season than he did his first few. Again, I'd pretty much have to say that if you don't think Donovan's a very good QB, then you should probably not bother following the team too closely for the next 5 years or so.
I wouldn't go as far as little mr reese here, but McNabb makes more 'bad' throws for no apparent reason than great QBs should.
And in response to Feva's question. I can only think of one QB who could do as much/more with what McNabb has had to work with. Brady.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 24, 2006, 08:10:11 AM
Are we all stuck in a time warp from 2002-2003 here?
Even injured and with little protection, Donovan looked more accurate last season than he did his first few. Again, I'd pretty much have to say that if you don't think Donovan's a very good QB, then you should probably not bother following the team too closely for the next 5 years or so.
:yay
Quote from: rjs246 on March 24, 2006, 08:11:10 AM
I wouldn't go as far as little mr reese here, but McNabb makes more 'bad' throws for no apparent reason than great QBs should.
And in response to Feva's question. I can only think of one QB who could do as much/more with what McNabb has had to work with. Brady.
deja vu...
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 24, 2006, 08:10:11 AM
Are we all stuck in a time warp from 2002-2003 here?
Even injured and with little protection, Donovan looked more accurate last season than he did his first few. Again, I'd pretty much have to say that if you don't think Donovan's a very good QB, then you should probably not bother following the team too closely for the next 5 years or so.
I never said he wasnt good, I know he is good. BUT, I think if he is going to get to the status of the greats like the Tom Brady's and Mannings of the world, he needs to adjust his accuracy and work on his mechanics in a big way. This is not new news to you guys cmon.
Also, if we did put Manning back there for just one of those championship games or the Superbowl we win one of those without question. That was the main question to start...dont pull this the wrong way.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 23, 2006, 08:17:58 AM
Feva, Brady won two superbowls with Antwain Smith as his running back. The first SB was won with Troy Brown as their best receiver. Their defense had ONE star in Ty Law (unless you count Lawyer Milloy or Bruschi, but Bruschi wasn't the player then that he is now). That team sucked and Tom Brady was the only reason they won. don't tell me he had a good supporting cast. He had shtein.
Troy Brown had 101 catches that season and Smith rushed for over 1100 yards, that's much better than anything McNabb's had to work with aside from 2004.
Brady's the one and only player you could make the argument that's done more with less than McNabb.
Quote from: reese125 on March 24, 2006, 08:19:48 AM
Also, if we did put Manning back there for just one of those championship games or the Superbowl we win one of those without question. That was the main question to start...dont pull this the wrong way.
Evidenced by Manning's 3-7 playoff record despite having a future hall of famers around him. Please.
Peyton Manning eats nuts.
Great regular season player. Not so great playoff player (in college too).
Quote from: reese125 on March 24, 2006, 08:19:48 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 24, 2006, 08:10:11 AM
Are we all stuck in a time warp from 2002-2003 here?
Even injured and with little protection, Donovan looked more accurate last season than he did his first few. Again, I'd pretty much have to say that if you don't think Donovan's a very good QB, then you should probably not bother following the team too closely for the next 5 years or so.
I never said he wasnt good, I know he is good. BUT, I think if he is going to get to the status of the greats like the Tom Brady's and Mannings of the world, he needs to adjust his accuracy and work on his mechanics in a big way. This is not new news to you guys cmon.
Also, if we did put Manning back there for just one of those championship games or the Superbowl we win one of those without question. That was the main question to start...dont pull this the wrong way.
neither manning, especially peyton has won shtein, anywhere. peyton manning has come up with some of the worst playoff performances i have ever seen from a QB with so many weapons at his disposal. he is a farging fraud and a regular season beauty queen. and should not even be compared to brady in any way.
oh...and today is peyton's birthday. he's now 30 years old. i didnt realize his age.
Threads like this are making me yearn for the draft. Where the farg does the NFL get off having it on the very last weekend of April. I want some farging action, dammit. Stupid NFL fargtards.
How can you already be ready for the draft after we've just come off of a BLISTERING free agency period?
Blistering, of course, in that it felt like a raging case of herpes.
Manning-not the eli one.
Brady. Accurate and consistent.
Not tomlinson. RB shelf life short, QB is the most important position in pro football.
Maybe Carson Palmer, although it would be nice to bring his WR's with him. and I'd like to see how his knee is.
overall, the qb position is not that deep.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 24, 2006, 09:19:49 AM
Threads like this are making me yearn for the draft. Where the farg does the NFL get off having it on the very last weekend of April. I want some farging action, dammit. Stupid NFL fargtards.
exactly! total scam by the nfl to build it up with all this hype, make it a huge production and it becomes the Chris Berman Show. The draft should be held the first week of March. farg the combine. Let's get it on!