We have allbeen belly aching about the moves made and or not made by the Eagles this offseason. I think we all know what we would have done if we were at the helm.
Here's the thing, all that is in the past now and wether we like it or not the Eagles moving toward the draft pretty much the way they are constituted right now.
That said, what would you do come 4/29.
What move do you make in order to give the Eagles the absolute best shot at a Chip this coming season?
Hire 31 snipers.
I would hope the one move that would be made is that they would post things related to Free Agency in the Free Agency '06 thread.
Yeah Phan right.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. The question I am asking isn't about free-agency or the draft in and of themselves, it is about what you would do from this point on if you were in the decision making position knowing all that has happened so far.
I read the Mock draft sites and and one thing I have noticed is that everyone from Kiper to the kid that posted his own mock draft featuring team needs is just speculating.
As far as I am concerned there is enough informed football knowledge right here in this board to do just as good a job and even better.
So I will ask again: If it were up to you what moves would you make, Draft and Free agency included, to make the Eagles a legit Superbowl contender?
Quote from: Displaced on March 17, 2006, 08:28:27 PMI read the Mock draft sites and and one thing I have noticed is that everyone ... is just speculating.
You don't say.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 17, 2006, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: Displaced on March 17, 2006, 08:28:27 PMI read the Mock draft sites and and one thing I have noticed is that everyone ... is just speculating.
You don't say.
Is this all you read?
Maybe I should have added that anybody that thinks we should use Cole as a DT on passing downs is automatically excluded from participating in this thread.
1. Re-sign Runyan
2. Sign a veteran RB who is well versed in the WCO and is bigger than Westbrook and Moats (Maurice Morris or Najeh Davenport or maybe even Verron Haynes)
3. If Moulds or Walker can be had - get one of them.
4. Sign a veteran DT replacement for Hollis. He wants out - get him out. Get another guy in there who can do what he did but better.
5. GET JULIAN PETERSON! We need a SAM LB. He's the best out there. Get him now.
6. My first round pick is Brodrick Bunkley.
without really thinking about it a ton..
- re-sign Runyan
- get Moulds if he is cut or make a trade for him with a lower round pick if possible.
- sign Peterson or Arrington.... seems almost unrealistic considering the Eagles spending habits, but they have plenty of money to do so if they actually wanted to.
- draft Bunkley or Ngata in the 1st round. (find a way to make it happen even if you need to trade up)
- 2nd round I see if there is anyway to trade up and take C Nick Mangold. If not then I sit tight and take the best Olineman available- Max Gean Gillies, Davin Joseph, Marcus McNeil if available at the point...
- 3rd round I would draft DE Daryl Tapp. Love this crazy dude.
- 4th round I would draft WR Brandon Williams to instantly take over returns and compete for #3/4 WR his rookie year.
You stole my brain you thief!!
Seriously..I agree. All the way up to Brandon Marshall.
except Id draft Brandon Williams instead of Marshall. :deion
I thought you said Marshall.
I like him mo bettah. But its all good.
do I sense a little distrust in Wilbur? :o ;D
Quote from: MURP on March 17, 2006, 10:27:08 PM
do I sense a little distrust in Wilbur? :o ;D
Yes, lots.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 17, 2006, 10:12:22 PM
1. Re-sign Runyan
2. Sign a veteran RB who is well versed in the WCO and is bigger than Westbrook and Moats (Maurice Morris or Najeh Davenport or maybe even Verron Haynes)
3. If Moulds or Walker can be had - get one of them.
4. Sign a veteran DT replacement for Hollis. He wants out - get him out. Get another guy in there who can do what he did but better.
5. GET JULIAN PETERSON! We need a SAM LB. He's the best out there. Get him now.
6. My first round pick is Brodrick Bunkley.
I agree with all of this.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 17, 2006, 10:48:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 17, 2006, 10:12:22 PM
1. Re-sign Runyan
2. Sign a veteran RB who is well versed in the WCO and is bigger than Westbrook and Moats (Maurice Morris or Najeh Davenport or maybe even Verron Haynes)
3. If Moulds or Walker can be had - get one of them.
4. Sign a veteran DT replacement for Hollis. He wants out - get him out. Get another guy in there who can do what he did but better.
5. GET JULIAN PETERSON! We need a SAM LB. He's the best out there. Get him now.
6. My first round pick is Brodrick Bunkley.
I agree with all of this.
None of that will happen except for Runyan and even that is iffy.
Quote from: MURP on March 17, 2006, 10:27:08 PM
do I sense a little distrust in Wilbur? :o ;D
Not on my side. But I think the Eagles are done with him. I am hoping that he shows up to Lehigh and just goes off on offense and STs. I hope he forces them to cut Greg Lewis.
Brown
Gaffney
Pinkston
McMullen
Marshall (or another rookie)
But if they get Moulds or Walker somehow, then I'll bid Wilbur adieu and be happy doing so.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 18, 2006, 12:32:43 AM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 17, 2006, 10:48:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 17, 2006, 10:12:22 PM
1. Re-sign Runyan
2. Sign a veteran RB who is well versed in the WCO and is bigger than Westbrook and Moats (Maurice Morris or Najeh Davenport or maybe even Verron Haynes)
3. If Moulds or Walker can be had - get one of them.
4. Sign a veteran DT replacement for Hollis. He wants out - get him out. Get another guy in there who can do what he did but better.
5. GET JULIAN PETERSON! We need a SAM LB. He's the best out there. Get him now.
6. My first round pick is Brodrick Bunkley.
I agree with all of this.
None of that will happen except for Runyan and even that is iffy.
I'm not going to be that pessimistic yet.
Broderick Bunkley is very realistic right now, and so is a veteran RB.
Darryl Tapp will not be there in the 3rd round, MURP. He was too good against D'Brick in the Senior Bowl to fall that far. If he fell to the Eagles' pick in the 2nd, it would be a mild miracle.
I agree pretty much with Phreak and MURP, though. The Eagles almost have to take Ngata or Bunkley now IMO... and the problem is that both of them may be off the board. Because of the huge question marks the Eagles have in the middle of the DL, I'm actually starting to lean towards the idea of Ngata, but he'll be long gone by 14.
Runyan must be re-signed now.
And yes, I hope they're not done at SAM LB and WR.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 18, 2006, 08:42:48 AM
Darryl Tapp will not be there in the 3rd round, MURP. He was too good against D'Brick in the Senior Bowl to fall that far. If he fell to the Eagles' pick in the 2nd, it would be a mild miracle.
I agree pretty much with Phreak and MURP, though. The Eagles almost have to take Ngata or Bunkley now IMO... and the problem is that both of them may be off the board. Because of the huge question marks the Eagles have in the middle of the DL, I'm actually starting to lean towards the idea of Ngata, but he'll be long gone by 14.
Runyan must be re-signed now.
And yes, I hope they're not done at SAM LB and WR.
And that matters why? You think the Eagles wouldn't trade up to draft one?
So I will ask again: If it were up to you what moves would you make, Draft and Free agency included, to make the Eagles a legit Superbowl contender?
you cant ask this question now...most of the available moves are gone now
my move #1 is fire the coach...they need a competant game day coach....a fresh start... a new era...a cleansing
It matters because the Eagles may only be able to move up 2-3 spots realistically, and that's assuming they give up at least their 3rd rounder also... and I think that the Eagles need all three of their 1st day picks to shure up 3 spots as of now: DT, OL, and either WR or LB.
I suppose my problem is that I could see the Eagles staying put, Bunkley going off the board at #13, and the Eagles taking someone like Winston Justice at #14, who doesn't help the team at all or very little in 2006.
Re-sign Runyan
Get Peterson
Sign Keyshawn
Draft in this order with the first three picks: DT, LB, OL
Add a big bruising RB. Either from the draft or FA. Davenport is still available.
Send Andy Reid to remedial clock management seminar. Then send him to remedial play calling seminar. Then tell him that if he wastes more than three time outs next season on account of his zesty decision making, he's farging fired.
I can't believe anyone is calling for the Eagles to sign MeShawn.
That's farging hysterical. :-D
I'd almost rather go 8-8 without Keyshawn than 10-6 with him.
But in reality, having him wouldn't make the difference between winning/losing 2 games.
Yeah well, someone's got to drop the bomb. They've got the money. He isn't half the headcase the media makes him out to be. He's still got skills, he's unafraid of getting hit, he blocks like it's his purpose in life...Get Keyshawn.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 18, 2006, 09:08:11 AM
Yeah well, someone's got to drop the bomb. They've got the money. He isn't half the headcase the media makes him out to be. He's still got skills, he's unafraid of getting hit, he blocks like it's his purpose in life...Get Keyshawn.
He wants no less than 2.5 mil a year. He's not even
close to worth that money, IMO.
Um... Keyshawn isn't half the head case he's made out to be? Are you serious??
Come on, Dio... you're scaring me now.
Keyshawn said he would play for Philly (in addition to three othe teams) but he said he will not play for $2.5M a year.
He's 34.
No way they'd sign him.
Imagine him goin after Reid like he went after Gruden....
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 18, 2006, 09:10:42 AMImagine him goin after Reid like he went after Gruden....
IMHO, Reid SHOULD be "gone after" by someone. This team needs a kick in the pants. Wherever Keyshawn ends up, he'll blow the doors off every reciever on the Eagles. Except maybe Brown, who I think might be the story of the year this season.
Get Keyshawn.
Dio's farging with us...
:-D
Don't say that about Brown. You'll be called a homer like me. :D
What?
and decent mlb's out there in the draft?...i figure they need a backup in case trot gets kicked out of another game this year.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 18, 2006, 09:13:17 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 18, 2006, 09:10:42 AMImagine him goin after Reid like he went after Gruden....
IMHO, Reid SHOULD be "gone after" by someone. This team needs a kick in the pants. Wherever Keyshawn ends up, he'll blow the doors off every reciever on the Eagles. Except maybe Brown, who I think might be the story of the year this season.
Get Keyshawn.
Im amazed that anyone would want slow-a$$ Keyshawn....hes going to be 34 years old and a even a step slower this year. How he thinks he's worth big money is beyond me. Hes always been a possession reciever with great hands, that you can consistently count on, but he cant believe he's a #1 option on any team. The Gaffney signing means no Keyshawn without a doubt.
One thing that should happen now REAL quick, is if T.O. does sign with Dallas, and management does not go out and desperately go out and try and trade for Walker or get Moulds, we are in deep $htein. This should light a fire under Reid and Lurie's asses, but again Reid thinks he is Bill Belichick and can work with medicrocy at the receiver position. 2 reasons he cant: 1) McNabb is not Tom Brady and 2) the NFC is not weak anymore. Dallas possibly just jumped atop the division if this moves goes down, and it makes me sick to think that he will be wearing that uniform. I wouldnt let him cut the field grass let alone put a uniform on him anywhere. Lets move Birds....hurry up!!
Quote from: hunt on March 18, 2006, 09:19:16 AM
and decent mlb's out there in the draft?...i figure they need a backup in case trot gets kicked out of another game this year.
For guys 3rd round and later, Gerris Wilkinson (can play 3 LB spots), Kai Parham (could play WLB too), Anthony Schlegel, Dale Robinson (athletic enough to play OLB), and Freddy Roach.
Now that This TO thing is official I think more than ever the Eagles must inprove their Pass rushing abilities. Things were bad enough with Burress on the Giants last year playing like he was out of his mind and now TO?...
I also think they really need t improve at the CB position. I think they need to go after the best available Cb in the draft or either go after Ty Law if he is still available.
If they can't get back to dominating oposing teams passing game it will be another long season.
I also have to say I agree wholeheartegly with the calls for Davenport. Gotta improve the running game in order to keep these other teams offenses off the field.
They need a blockbuster type rest of the off-season. DE and or DT is still a huge priority.
The cornerback position is the strongest on the team in terms of personnel. Lito and Sheldon are Pro Bowl caliber players and Rod Hood would start on a shteinload of teams in the NFL.
The Eagles really only need to improve four areas:
1. Offense
2. Defense
3. Special Teams
4. Coaching
:deion
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 18, 2006, 08:43:02 PM
The cornerback position is the strongest on the team in terms of personnel. Lito and Sheldon are Pro Bowl caliber players and Rod Hood would start on a shteinload of teams in the NFL.
...and as they proved last year, they look like shtein without a pass rush.
Dude, Sheldon Brown did not look like shtein. Brown played at a Pro Bowl level. Rod Hood looked pretty damn good as well.
Rod Hood IMO played the best year out of all the corners. He didn't have the highlight reel plays, but he never got burnt and locked down receivers.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 18, 2006, 09:13:17 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 18, 2006, 09:10:42 AMImagine him goin after Reid like he went after Gruden....
IMHO, Reid SHOULD be "gone after" by someone. This team needs a kick in the pants. Wherever Keyshawn ends up, he'll blow the doors off every reciever on the Eagles. Except maybe Brown, who I think might be the story of the year this season.
Get Keyshawn.
I've been thinking about this pretty much since the Cowboys cut Keyshawn loose trying to decide whether or not I'd want the Eagles to bring him in or not. He is the best reciever available at this very moment and would be a significant improvement over anyone the Eagles have. And even though he isn't a game breaking reciever like TO was, he is a #1 reciever. Is he worth the money he's looking for? No, but are any of the other recievers who signed big deals this year worth the money they're getting? I'd much rather see the Eagles spend that type of money on Meshawn than Randle El or Givens.
Meshawn
Brown
Gaffney
Lewis
That aint too bad.
Of course, if Moulds or Walker were to become available then I'd take them in a heartbeat over Johnson. But if he's the best the Eagles can get then he's definately better than nothing.
I disagree about Keyshawn being a #1 receiver. To be a #1 receiver in this league you need to have SOME breakaway ability. Keyshawn has none. He is a possession receiver by every sense of the word. He catches the ball across the middle and goes right to the turf. I think he is way past his prime and even in his prime he wasn't all that great. This team could use a possession receiver, so for that reason and that reason alone I'd take a look, but he may not even be better than Gaffney at this point. At least Gaffney being young and previously playing with a bad offense could surprise us and come in and catch 60 balls for 850 yards.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 18, 2006, 11:45:19 PM
I disagree about Keyshawn being a #1 receiver. To be a #1 receiver in this league you need to have SOME breakaway ability. Keyshawn has none. He is a possession receiver by every sense of the word. He catches the ball across the middle and goes right to the turf. I think he is way past his prime and even in his prime he wasn't all that great. This team could use a possession receiver, so for that reason and that reason alone I'd take a look, but he may not even be better than Gaffney at this point. At least Gaffney being young and previously playing with a bad offense could surprise us and come in and catch 60 balls for 850 yards.
couldnt of said it better myself PhillyForever....your right on
If we can't get Walker or Moulds, I think we should draft a receiver in the 2nd round. I really would prefer not to because if we don't sign a SAM or an OL, then we will need to take one of those in the 2nd round, but I really would like to have 3 young receivers with potential that can grow with Donovan. Like Brown, Hagan, Gaffney. Right there are 3 really young receivers that could all keep getting better.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 18, 2006, 11:24:21 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on March 18, 2006, 09:13:17 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 18, 2006, 09:10:42 AMImagine him goin after Reid like he went after Gruden....
IMHO, Reid SHOULD be "gone after" by someone. This team needs a kick in the pants. Wherever Keyshawn ends up, he'll blow the doors off every reciever on the Eagles. Except maybe Brown, who I think might be the story of the year this season.
Get Keyshawn.
I've been thinking about this pretty much since the Cowboys cut Keyshawn loose trying to decide whether or not I'd want the Eagles to bring him in or not. He is the best reciever available at this very moment and would be a significant improvement over anyone the Eagles have. And even though he isn't a game breaking reciever like TO was, he is a #1 reciever. Is he worth the money he's looking for? No, but are any of the other recievers who signed big deals this year worth the money they're getting? I'd much rather see the Eagles spend that type of money on Meshawn than Randle El or Givens.
Meshawn
Brown
Gaffney
Lewis
That aint too bad.
Of course, if Moulds or Walker were to become available then I'd take them in a heartbeat over Johnson. But if he's the best the Eagles can get then he's definately better than nothing.
I've been thinking this over myself, and I gotta agree with Sarge. If Brown doesn't go off this season, the eagles are sunk without a gamebreaking WR. Hate 81 as much as you want, but the dude breaks games. KJ is what -- 34? That's old, but he still has more skill than any current FA or possibly available in the draft after the Eagles fill thier Defensive needs. I would take a flyer on KJ, and I don't give a shtein what they pay him. Ain't my money.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 18, 2006, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 18, 2006, 08:42:48 AM
Darryl Tapp will not be there in the 3rd round, MURP. He was too good against D'Brick in the Senior Bowl to fall that far. If he fell to the Eagles' pick in the 2nd, it would be a mild miracle.
I agree pretty much with Phreak and MURP, though. The Eagles almost have to take Ngata or Bunkley now IMO... and the problem is that both of them may be off the board. Because of the huge question marks the Eagles have in the middle of the DL, I'm actually starting to lean towards the idea of Ngata, but he'll be long gone by 14.
Runyan must be re-signed now.
And yes, I hope they're not done at SAM LB and WR.
And that matters why? You think the Eagles wouldn't trade up to draft one?
This is probabkly covered somewhere else on this board, but if the Eagles don'ttrade up, I don't think they will get either.
Assuming the Eagles don't trade up, and assuming the Eagles don't get Ngata or Bunkley, who do they go after? Do they trade down? Justice will likely still be available, but is 14 a little too high for him? Will L. White still be there? Do you grab him, even if the most pressing need is Dl and OL?
This is why I'm glad I'm merely a fan, and not some guy who has to do this for a living.....
Gabe Watson is a stud DT that will be there.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 18, 2006, 11:45:19 PM
I disagree about Keyshawn being a #1 receiver. To be a #1 receiver in this league you need to have SOME breakaway ability. Keyshawn has none. He is a possession receiver by every sense of the word. He catches the ball across the middle and goes right to the turf. I think he is way past his prime and even in his prime he wasn't all that great. This team could use a possession receiver, so for that reason and that reason alone I'd take a look, but he may not even be better than Gaffney at this point. At least Gaffney being young and previously playing with a bad offense could surprise us and come in and catch 60 balls for 850 yards.
He is a #1 reciever. Always has been throughout his career and never had break away speed. There are plenty of guys out there with break away speed but that doesn't make them a #1 reciever. KJ does have good "football" speed much like Emmitt Smith did. Emmitt was never considered a fast runningback but that didn't stop him from being one of the best in the game. Keyshawn's got excellent hands, a big body and good routes. The WCO is based more on that then speed. I'm not a big Keyshawn fan but he's going to be far less disruptive than TO and he's going to get 80+ catches and his size will still let him be a nice target in the endzone too. So if the Eagles decided to bring him in you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 19, 2006, 12:39:51 AM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 18, 2006, 11:45:19 PM
I disagree about Keyshawn being a #1 receiver. To be a #1 receiver in this league you need to have SOME breakaway ability. Keyshawn has none. He is a possession receiver by every sense of the word. He catches the ball across the middle and goes right to the turf. I think he is way past his prime and even in his prime he wasn't all that great. This team could use a possession receiver, so for that reason and that reason alone I'd take a look, but he may not even be better than Gaffney at this point. At least Gaffney being young and previously playing with a bad offense could surprise us and come in and catch 60 balls for 850 yards.
He is a #1 reciever. Always has been throughout his career and never had break away speed. There are plenty of guys out there with break away speed but that doesn't make them a #1 reciever. KJ does have good "football" speed much like Emmitt Smith did. Emmitt was never considered a fast runningback but that didn't stop him from being one of the best in the game. Keyshawn's got excellent hands, a big body and good routes. The WCO is based more on that then speed. I'm not a big Keyshawn fan but he's going to be far less disruptive than TO and he's going to get 80+ catches and his size will still let him be a nice target in the endzone too. So if the Eagles decided to bring him in you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me.
(Do we use this here?) ++
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 19, 2006, 12:39:51 AM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 18, 2006, 11:45:19 PM
I disagree about Keyshawn being a #1 receiver. To be a #1 receiver in this league you need to have SOME breakaway ability. Keyshawn has none. He is a possession receiver by every sense of the word. He catches the ball across the middle and goes right to the turf. I think he is way past his prime and even in his prime he wasn't all that great. This team could use a possession receiver, so for that reason and that reason alone I'd take a look, but he may not even be better than Gaffney at this point. At least Gaffney being young and previously playing with a bad offense could surprise us and come in and catch 60 balls for 850 yards.
He is a #1 reciever. Always has been throughout his career and never had break away speed. There are plenty of guys out there with break away speed but that doesn't make them a #1 reciever. KJ does have good "football" speed much like Emmitt Smith did. Emmitt was never considered a fast runningback but that didn't stop him from being one of the best in the game. Keyshawn's got excellent hands, a big body and good routes. The WCO is based more on that then speed. I'm not a big Keyshawn fan but he's going to be far less disruptive than TO and he's going to get 80+ catches and his size will still let him be a nice target in the endzone too. So if the Eagles decided to bring him in you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me.
I don't think he'll get 80+ catches. He hasn't done that is like 5 years. If he was brought in I wouldn't complain either, but I completely disagree about him being a #1 receiver. If he is the best receiver on your roster, then you are in huge trouble. Terry Glenn was the #1 last year.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 19, 2006, 12:47:04 AM
I don't think he'll get 80+ catches. He hasn't done that is like 5 years. If he was brought in I wouldn't complain either
He's topped 70 catches 3 out of the last 4 years (45 in 2003 after 10 games) so I think 80 catches in the Eagles pass happy offense would be a strong possibility.
Quotebut I completely disagree about him being a #1 receiver. If he is the best receiver on your roster, then you are in huge trouble. Terry Glenn was the #1 last year.
I did a google search for "2005 Dallas Cowboys Depth Chart" and this (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=nytimes&page=nfl/teams/depth066.htm) was the only thing that came up but it does list him as the #1.
Of course, we're pretty much arguing semantics on that one though.
Keyshawn is a #1 on the depth chart.
Keyshawn is NOT a #1 in the sense that he is a stud receiver.
As stated before - he is a possession receiver. He's 34 years old and said he wouldn't play for $2.5M.
He's been in the league for 10 years (4 in NY, 4 in TB and 2 in DAL) and has 744 catches and 60 TDs.
60 TDs in 10 years as a #1 WR isn't exactly something to write home about. He's had one double digit TD year (his third year in the league) and hasn't exceeded 8 a year any other time.
He is a possession receiver with a playmakers brain. He thinks he is a playmaker but he is not.
I wouldn't want any part of that whackjob here.
Phreak -- not arguing, but asking:
Rank 'em:
Pinkston
Brown
Lewis
Keyshawn
Brown
Gaffney
Keyshawn
Pinkston
McMullen
McCants
Lewis
Yes, I realize that I would rank Keyshawn 3rd. But when I factor in his age and the fact that he is a glorified possession guy with a bad attitude and I would take Brown and Gaffney over him. If I used just the guys you listed he would be 2nd behind Brown.
Brown
Pinkston
Gaffney
Stovall (or another draft pick)
McCants / McMullen
If our WR corps looks like that, I would be OK with it as much as I could be considering the circumstances of what else is out there. The only hopes for it to look any different is if we got Walker or Moulds, both of whom I would love to have here.
I don't want Stovall if we take a receiver in the 2nd round. If he's there in the 3rd I'd take him.
I'd take Derek Hagan or Chad Jackson over him. There's a strong possibility both will be available for the Eagles pick in the 2nd round. Derek Hagan was a stud at ASU, and Chad Jackson is a burner. Also Jason Avant is a player I'd take over Stovall as well, and there's a player out there Brandon Marshall who is huge. 6-4 230, but he didn't really do anything at all until his senior year, which scares me. I'd take all them over Stovall, except probably not Brandon Marshall. He's too much of a question mark.
Anyway, I guess my point is that while this draft doesn't have that Braylon Edwards or Larry Fitzgerald coming out, it has a ton of very solid receivers who will be available all the way until the 3rd round. The Eagles better jump on one.
No way in hell Chad Jackson falls to the Eagles pick in the 2nd round. Ridiculous 40 time = drafted early...
Just ask Donte Stallworth and Troy Williamson.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 19, 2006, 11:12:06 AM
No way in hell Chad Jackson falls to the Eagles pick in the 2nd round. Ridiculous 40 time = drafted early...
Just ask Donte Stallworth and Troy Williamson.
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Darned if that ain't a good point.
I would throw Ashley Lelie in that bag as well. These guys have done next to nothing.
Although I agree that Mefawn is a head case and I never would have advocated the Eagles getting him I feel like the need at that position is simply desperate. All Reid knows is to throw the ball in the last couple of years and I don't se that changing much so you have to give Donnie as many effective targets as you can. ShePawn, say what you want about him, has always been effective if nothing else.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 19, 2006, 02:12:10 AM
Keyshawn is a #1 on the depth chart.
Keyshawn is NOT a #1 in the sense that he is a stud receiver.
As stated before - he is a possession receiver. He's 34 years old and said he wouldn't play for $2.5M.
He's been in the league for 10 years (4 in NY, 4 in TB and 2 in DAL) and has 744 catches and 60 TDs.
60 TDs in 10 years as a #1 WR isn't exactly something to write home about. He's had one double digit TD year (his third year in the league) and hasn't exceeded 8 a year any other time.
He is a possession receiver with a playmakers brain. He thinks he is a playmaker but he is not.
I wouldn't want any part of that whackjob here.
Look, I'm FAAAAAR from a MeShawn fan, but this summary kind of points out why he could work out here. If nothing else, the guy is a possession receiver, right? I think a quality, reliable possession receiver would come in pretty handy for a team that was near or at the top of the league in 3 and outs. Like Sarge said... 70+ catches 3 out of the last 4 years. We've witnessed it more times than we care playing against the Girls that the guy keeps drives going.
We've got our speedy young WR's in Brown and Gaffney... Keyshawn is nowhere near a burner but he's still solid and still has TERRIFIC hands... which again, comes in handy considering that from time to time, McNabb will throw a "challenging" pass. A solid, reliable WR would pay big dividends for us. Like him or hate him, he would probably add a bit of stability (on the field) to a pretty questionable group of WR's.
I'm not jumping on the bandwagon, but I think a couple folks aren't looking past the hate for the guy that we all obviously have and missing the fact that he could actually make us a better team. Would I rather have Walker or Moulds? In a farging heartbeat, but seeing at this point that neither of them are available to us right now...
Without Chad Lewis we could use a guy that's going to get just a first down. I don't like Keshawn, but you work with what's available. Get him, and if Walker or Moulds become available later you take a shot at them and not worry about the bottom of the depth chart.
id have no problem getting keshawn...yeah hes not a one but neither is any other wr on this team and he could be their one....
but more than that they have the money to get five keyshawns if they want and the bottom line is hed help their wr'ing corps
I can't believe you guys want that jackass on the Eagles.
They just got rid of one psychotic malcontent and now you want to sign another one? In what possible universe do you see Andy Reid EVER signing a guy like that again?
Jesus, just stop it already.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 20, 2006, 08:03:10 AM
I can't believe you guys want that jackass on the Eagles.
They just got rid of one psychotic malcontent and now you want to sign another one? In what possible universe do you see Andy Reid EVER signing a guy like that again?
Jesus, just stop it already.
Get a grip,
Rome. Keyshawn isn't even one tenth the headcase that TO is. He's got great hands; 75 catches guaranteed. He blocks better than any of Philly's tight ends or fullbacks. His work ethic has never been challenged. You can't find any current or former teamates who have a single bad thing to say about the guy. The Eagles have plenty of money and a powerful need to improve at WR.
That's the argument for picking him up.
On your side, the argument boils down to "waaaah, waaahh, but I don't LIKE him!!"
i can't stand meshawn but the eagles need to do something at wr....if moulds or walker don't happen, i guess he's the next best option. :paranoid
being a pass first offense with the worst wr corps in the division isn't a good thing.
rank the wr's in the nfc east & see where the eagles' wr's rank on that list.
1. Cowboys
2. taterskins
3. Giants
4. Eagles
If Eagles got Keyshawn?
1. Cowboys
2. taterskins
3. Giants
82. Eagles
i meant rank the individual wr's...but that's about right teamwise.
1. Terrell Owens - trending even
2. Santana Moss - trending even
3. Plaxico Burress - trending even
4. Terry Glenn - trending down
5. Reggie Brown - trending up
6. Antwaan Randle-El - trending up
7. Amani Toomer - trending down
8. Jabar Gaffney - trending up
9. Brandon Lloyd - trending up
10. Todd Pinkston - trending down
11. Patrick Crayton - trending up
12. Willie Ponder/David Tyree - special teamers
I do have good news about Pinkston, though. Spadaro's stats prediction for him came down today:
QuotePinkston didn't play last year, but a reasonable set of stats is fair: Let's say 45 catches, 700 yards and 6-8 touchdowns.
Ha. Ha. If he has 400 yards and 2 TD's, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
6-8 TD's for Pinkston?
When has he ever had that many in a season?
If Spads is going to make predictions he might as well be reasonable. Those stats would necessitate player of the year consideration considering Pinkston's ability IMO.
Quote from: Eaglez on March 20, 2006, 09:52:52 AM
Those stats would necessitate comeback player of the year consideration considering Pinkston's ability IMO.
Better.
Pinkston has averaged 2.3 TD's per season during his career. Spewdaro then says it is reasonable to expect him to score as many as 8 TD's in one year coming off a severe achillies injury. ha
Quote from: Eaglez on March 20, 2006, 09:52:52 AM
6-8 TD's for Pinkston?
When has he ever had that many in a season?
He had 7 in 2002 which was by far his career year. I'll never forget the time Pinkston had a decent game in '02 and Spew said he was our version of Randy Moss.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 20, 2006, 10:17:23 AM
Quote from: Eaglez on March 20, 2006, 09:52:52 AM
6-8 TD's for Pinkston?
When has he ever had that many in a season?
He had 7 in 2002 which was by far his career year. I'll never forget the time Pinkston had a decent game in '02 and Spew said he was our version of Randy Moss.
His tongue and teeth were glistening of green koolade after that game.....Broad street traffic speeds up when he smiles. That guy has no credibility what-so-ever! He's a puppet
what % of EMB posters dont think spads is the douche of the century
is there actually nitwits over there that put stock in him
Anyone who thinks Keyshawn Johnson is the answer for the Eagles at Wide Receiver is a farging crackhead.
It's March farging 20th, dammit. Why are you dudes so hell-bent on having the personnel of that team decided immediately? Don't you think that players are going to become available at some point in the next six months that are better than Keyshawn Johnson??
For the love of God, people...
::)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 20, 2006, 12:46:41 PM
Don't you think that players are going to become available at some point in the next six months that are better than Keyshawn Johnson??
WRs? No, actually. Why would they?
Keyshawn sucks. There might be a player or two who doesn't suck that shakes loose, but I think its fairly obvious that this is all they intend on doing until the draft.
I don't know why anyone would want Keyshawn on the Eagles since he's never actually been that good and is now old and slow and worthless. But luckily none of you ahve to worry about it one way or another b/c he'll never be signed by this team.
i don't necessarily want him either, but to say he wouldn't upgarde our WR corps is just wrong. even in his old age he has better hands than 90% of nfl WRs.
The receiving corps is admittedly thin right now. I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is, adding a guy with a history of character issues is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, so arguing over this is pointless.
If Reid adds Meshawn, I'll officially join the "Fire Andy Reid" bandwagon, because he'll deserve it then.
It would be a monumentally stupid move, especially considering the fact that better alternatives will become available between now and training camp much less between now and the start of the season.
Get Keyshawn!!
He may upgrade the WRs on the Eagles, but only marginally. I doubt he would start. And where would he fit in. Reggie Brown and Gaffney both have decent speed and decent hands. They are probably the starters even if Keyshawn got signed for some awful reason. Keyshawn would probably be the 3rd guy. He has great hands, but then who do they use to spread the field? More to the point, who do they sub out when Pinkston is in to spread the field? So do they sign Keyshawn to be the part-time 3rd WR? To split snaps as the third receiver with Pinkston for $3 mill a year? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me and I kind of think that McCants can fill that role of the big guy with good hands who plays 10 snaps a game.
Keyshawn will not be an Eagle.
Continue to argue his strengths and weaknesses but it's all moot.
He will not be an Eagle.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 20, 2006, 01:12:36 PM
Doesn't make a lot of sense to me and I kind of think that McCants can fill that role of the big guy with good hands who plays 10 snaps a game.
If McCants shows he has good hands I'm fine with that.
Right. He didn't show much of anything last season, I agree. But part of my point was just that if the dude is only going to play on a limited basis, why pay him like a starter and why bring in the terrible attitude to boot? Why not give a dude like McCants who has had good hands in the past and who has good size a chance to fill that role?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 01:44:12 PM
Keyshawn will not be an Eagle.
Continue to argue his strengths and weaknesses but it's all moot.
He will not be an Eagle.
Thank you.
I wouldn't write off McCants either. When he got a chance to play (2003) for Spurrier he put up some decent numbers.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 20, 2006, 09:54:41 AM
Quote from: Eaglez on March 20, 2006, 09:52:52 AM
Those stats would necessitate player of the year consideration considering Pinkston's ability IMO.
Better.
No, I'm serious. Not just indulging in hyperbole (not really).