O.k., based on a build-up of extremely frustrating experiences, I have to ask this question. I know you don't "know" me from Adam (but I've posted on this board before...believe me) - but I would greatly appreciate your honesty. For those of you who have or have had jobs where you are dealing with or in proximity to the general shopping public - does (or did) part of your "job" include keeping your eye on customers to prevent them from shoplifting? Do/did you watch customers who may seem "supicious", because you thought that they would steal (or were stealing)? Is this a widespread practice (employees watching/following customers)?
Even those people who may not have had are welcome to post any insights/experiences they have on this matter. Thanks...your time and input is appreciated.
I worked at sears and yes, it was kind of expected to keep an eye on 'suspicious people' i.e., mostly trailer trash, thug looking fools with big clothes as they carried a pile of clothes into the dressing rooms and middle eastern folk. I never gave a farg though, I was too busy not doing my job and counting the minutes until I got out.
Moral of the story, try not to be trailer trash, thuggish or middle eastern when you go shopping.
Oh, and would we be talking about the same Adam?
First off, we hope you're different from Adam. We already have an Adam here... and his punk ass sure ain't no picnic.
Second, I worked at Sears at one point myself, in the loss-prevention dept. and it was our job to keep an eye on "suspicious" people with the overhead cameras when they entered the store. You're trained to look for a certain behavior more than anything else in people... but personally, I just kept an eye on all the black people.
Btw... if you've never worked in loss-prevention, I suggest you try to get into it. There's not a bigger rush in this world than tackling a fleeing criminal through a stack of "Roos" shoeboxes. It's better than sex.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 06:41:49 AMWe already have an Adam here...
More than one.
And Crossroids...what's the issue? Do you feel your rights are being violated in some way?
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on February 16, 2006, 07:31:13 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 06:41:49 AMWe already have an Adam here...
More than one.
Yeah, but only one who I've seen publically do
nothing to dispell the stereotype that white guys can't dance to save their lives.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 06:41:49 AM
You're trained to look for a certain behavior more than anything else in people... but personally, I just kept an eye on all the black people.
:-D How can something so wrong be so funny?
More than anything, I'm wondering why you're coming in with an alias if you've posted here before. Perhaps you're trying to steal something?
Keep your eyes on this one, guys; I think he's going to try to sneak out with our keen football insight. He looks the type.
It's Hoyda!
Or NB. He was always kinda 'roidy.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 07:40:29 AM
Yeah, but only one who I've seen publically do nothing to dispell the stereotype that white guys can't dance to save their lives.
Don't make me post the pic of you "flexing" your "bicep".
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 16, 2006, 08:18:34 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 07:40:29 AM
Yeah, but only one who I've seen publically do nothing to dispell the stereotype that white guys can't dance to save their lives.
Don't make me post the pic of you "flexing" your "bicep".
You will refer to them as "truth" and "justice", thank you very much.
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 01:07:06 AM
For those of you who have or have had jobs where you are dealing with or in proximity to the general shopping public - does (or did) part of your "job" include keeping your eye on customers to prevent them from shoplifting?
yep
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 08:47:24 AM
You will refer to them as "truth" and "justice", thank you very much.
More like "point" and "laugh..." ::)
PS: :-D @ the black people thing.
Quote from: MURP on February 16, 2006, 09:15:54 AM
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 01:07:06 AM
For those of you who have or have had jobs where you are dealing with or in proximity to the general shopping public - does (or did) part of your "job" include keeping your eye on customers to prevent them from shoplifting?
yep
without a doubt. in fact in some stores you are told to bug the people you see as suspicious than the normal customers.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 08:47:24 AM
You will refer to them as "truth" and "justice", thank you very much.
I guess this is proof that truth is only a myth, and justice is withering away.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 16, 2006, 09:23:43 AM
without a doubt. in fact in some stores you are told to bug the people you see as suspicious than the normal customers.
What exactly do you mean by "bug the people you see as suspicious than the normal customers"?
Go up and ask them if they need help.....like Best Buy does every 5 minutes....sometimes repeated by the same sales associate...
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on February 16, 2006, 09:23:43 AM
without a doubt. in fact in some stores you are told to bug the people you see as suspicious than the normal customers.
What exactly do you mean by "bug the people you see as suspicious than the normal customers"?
You plant tracking and listening devices in their pockets so you know exactly where they are and what they're talking about.
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on February 16, 2006, 09:23:43 AM
without a doubt. in fact in some stores you are told to bug the people you see as suspicious than the normal customers.
What exactly do you mean by "bug the people you see as suspicious than the normal customers"?
well you'll scare the lifter by constantly asking them if they need help. then follow the person around while pretending to do busy work (a lot of places will keep a box of merchandise to be "restocked" at all times so they can remain to look busy and are seen as suspecting people as a shoplifter.)
you planning a heist or something?
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 01:07:06 AM
O.k., based on a build-up of extremely frustrating experiences,
how about giving us some backround on what the problem is..
Quote from: MURP on February 16, 2006, 10:55:02 AM
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 01:07:06 AM
O.k., based on a build-up of extremely frustrating experiences,
how about giving us some backround on what the problem is..
Over the years, I've endured countless degrading and insulting shopping experiences - I've been subject to the behavior described in this thread. I must say, what I've read in this thread so far has been quite upsetting and disturbing - not to mention it has confirmed what I already knew was going on.
After experiencing yet another incident of prejudicial and degrading behavior by store employees yesterday, I was so angry/upset (this feeling continues) that I thought I'd seek some "feedback" as to what is going on here. Due to the accumulation of years of such slights - I'm quite fed up (basically at the end of my rope).
More to come later...
Seriously, why are you trying to hide who you post/posted as on the board? Are you somebody that typically posts like a jackass? Just curious.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 16, 2006, 11:11:09 AM
Seriously, why are you trying to hide who you post/posted as on the board? Are you somebody that typically posts like a jackass? Just curious.
i think it's GF
Quote from: hbionic on February 16, 2006, 01:22:54 AM
I worked at sears and yes, it was kind of expected to keep an eye on 'suspicious people' i.e., mostly trailer trash, thug looking fools with big clothes as they carried a pile of clothes into the dressing rooms and middle eastern folk. I never gave a farg though, I was too busy not doing my job and counting the minutes until I got out.
Moral of the story, try not to be trailer trash, thuggish or middle eastern when you go shopping.
Oh, and would we be talking about the same Adam?
Have you ever thought about what it must feel like to these "Middle Eastern folk" to be constantly suspected of being something worse than they are? Have you ever put yourself in their shoes - that basically you can't shop in peace and enjoy a normal shopping trip because of the constant threat of being insulted by being watched/followed?
And why "Middle Eastern folk"? What proof do you have that they are doing to bulk of the shoplifting? Or is this just a prejudice you have?
I must say that I never even thought about shoplifting until I started noticing certain "weird" behavior by employees - treating me as if I'm going to steal something at any moment.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 16, 2006, 11:11:09 AM
Seriously, why are you trying to hide who you post/posted as on the board? Are you somebody that typically posts like a jackass? Just curious.
Because basically I'm a very shy person and I want to be able to discuss a very "sensitive" topic (at least for me) without the threat of a "stigma" being attached to my screename.
It's not like I ever really posted that much, anyway. But I wanted to be free of the "burden" of my prior/regular screename (and it was a "burden" anyway - even without the shoplifting talk ::) ).
Thanks for answering. But if you've been around, you know everything around here is some form of a joke...so, take everything with a grain of salt.
i was going to, but decided against it
One other question...do you fit a profile, other than any stupid race thing, that would arouse suspicion? Do you portray a certain kind of image that would set off an alarm to the store security folk?
Sh*t - I have so many hurt/angry feelings, and so many accumulated experiences, that I can't even organize my thoughts. But anyway...
In my case, employees are too quick to jump to conclusions about me - I mean, disturbingly quick, and 100% of the time, they are disturbingly WRONG. Like I said, shoplifting wasn't even in the realm of my consciousness until it was rudely PUT there by prejudiced, bigoted employees who seem to be jumping at the chance to degrade me by treating me like a suspect. The patterns of behavior that I've experienced at the hands of employees signify a troubling problem. And it is simply unacceptable to me to be spending my hard-earned money in an establishment in which I'm insulted. One simply shouldn't have to suffer these indignities - imagine your feelings being hurt practically every single time you do something as mundane and as necessary as shopping.
you still haven't explained why these stores are tageting you. you must have a good idea why.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 16, 2006, 11:27:44 AM
One other question...do you fit a profile, other than any stupid race thing, that would arouse suspicion? Do you portray a certain kind of image that would set off an alarm to the store security folk?
Well, the short answer is that it is a difficult burden to be a black shopper who happens to suffer from depression and social anxiety disorder. I guess with these "afflictions", there is simply no hope for me - people who are desperately looking for a prime suspect zero in on me, I guess.
There is so much more I want to say/expound upon...
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 11:33:39 AM
Sh*t - I have so many hurt/angry feelings, and so many accumulated experiences, that I can't even organize my thoughts. But anyway...
In my case, employees are too quick to jump to conclusions about me - I mean, disturbingly quick, and 100% of the time, they are disturbingly WRONG. Like I said, shoplifting wasn't even in the realm of my consciousness until it was rudely PUT there by prejudiced, bigoted employees who seem to be jumping at the chance to degrade me by treating me like a suspect. The patterns of behavior that I've experienced at the hands of employees signify a troubling problem. And it is simply unacceptable to me to be spending my hard-earned money in an establishment in which I'm insulted. One simply shouldn't have to suffer these indignities - imagine your feelings being hurt practically every single time you do something as mundane and as necessary as shopping.
how do you portray yourself?
during a shopping trip, how long do you linger in the store? there;s a difference to store managers of people that are casually browsing the aisle's and people that look like they are loitering.
What you need is a disguise.
(http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/178163/2/istockphoto_178163_grouch_marx_glasses_front.jpg)
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 11:37:49 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on February 16, 2006, 11:27:44 AM
One other question...do you fit a profile, other than any stupid race thing, that would arouse suspicion? Do you portray a certain kind of image that would set off an alarm to the store security folk?
Well, the short answer is that it is a difficult burden to be a black shopper who happens to suffer from depression and social anxiety disorder. I guess with these "afflictions", there is simply no hope for me - people who are desperately looking for a prime suspect zero in on me, I guess.
There is so much more I want to say/expound upon...
You're Ricky Williams. I knew it.
Mmm, maybe not Ricky...but I bet you live in Florida. ;-)
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 11:35:10 AM
you still haven't explained why these stores are tageting you. you must have a good idea why.
I really don't think there is a good reason why these employees are targeting me - in this situation where they are unfairly targeting an innocent shopper, is there any reason that is "good"? I think these employees are looking for any little thing and, in their prejudiced, paranoid minds, they turn it into something suspicious. A when you are black, they are going to see
any little thing as an alarm bell, and construe any kind of behavior as "suspicious". I am not exaggerating when I say that certain shoppers (i.e. blacks) can't so much as lift a finger "the wrong way", or stay in one area more than 5 seconds, without some overly-suspicious, prejudiced employee thinking that they are shoplifting.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 16, 2006, 11:46:07 AM
You're Ricky Williams. I knew it.
Mmm, maybe not Ricky...but I bet you live in Florida. ;-)
Well I
do feel a special "kinship" with Ricky...
You're close - keep guessing - lol.
bob hope?
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 11:35:10 AM
you still haven't explained why these stores are tageting you. you must have a good idea why.
I really don't think there is a good reason why these employees are targeting me - in this situation where they are unfairly targeting an innocent shopper, is there any reason that is "good"? I think these employees are looking for any little thing and, in their prejudiced, paranoid minds, they turn it into something suspicious. A when you are black, they are going to see any little thing as an alarm bell, and construe any kind of behavior as "suspicious". I am not exaggerating when I say that certain shoppers (i.e. blacks) can't so much as lift a finger "the wrong way", or stay in one area more than 5 seconds, without some overly-suspicious, prejudiced employee thinking that they are shoplifting.
Well, I think that's oversimplifying it a bit. It depends on where you live, what the population looks like there, how you dress, how you act, etc. I don't think it's that blanket. A black guy in full hip hop gear would draw more attention than a black guy in a suit in most places. Right or wrong, it goes beyond *just* a race thing.
You're a 420 fan, I guess. Maybe if you reek of MJ, store security won't trust you.
Eddie George?
Darwin Walker?
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 11:48:51 AM
Well I do feel a special "kinship" with Ricky...
You're close - keep guessing - lol.
Nah, I feel pretty good about my current guess. But I won't give you up ;).
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 11:46:51 AM
I am not exaggerating when I say that certain shoppers (i.e. blacks) can't so much as lift a finger "the wrong way", or stay in one area more than 5 seconds, without some overly-suspicious, prejudiced employee thinking that they are shoplifting.
you are exaggerating, but that's fine.
i used to work for a rental store place when i was a teenager. i never worried about people stealing anything. then, one day, a couple teens, yes they were black, sole about $200 worth of shtein while i was working, snuck it out. i got my ass chewed out and almost fired. from then on, when i group of black teens came into the store, i was suspicious and i kept my eye on them. was i prejudice? no, i was remembering past experiences. i never harrassed anybody, but i did ask to check their bookbags when they left, and i'm sure they were pissed at me, but who they should've been pissed at the were the black kids who came into the store before them, stole shtein and almost got me fired. this would've been the same if would've been white kids, indian kids, whatever types of kids that had done it before on my watch, because they got me suspicious. so while you will never steal anything, don't just assume everybody is a racist because they are suspicious of you in a store. sometimes there is a good reason for people to be suspicious and that reason comes from past events.
White people are so lame.
but when it's all said and done, being white is awesome.
Crossroids = IGY. IGY hasn't been posting much since this guy started posting here, and they both want to be of the darker persuasion.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on February 16, 2006, 12:51:51 PM
Crossroids = IGY. He hasn't been posting much since this guy started posting hear, and they both want to be of the darker persuasion.
Man that was my guess...
Ricky Waters?
Could it also be that your paranoia is being expressed non-verbally, and is contributing to the issue?
BTW, back in my youth, my friends and I would enjoy flushing the plainclothes "watcher" types out. Sometimes we'd make them chase us around the stores. But that was a long time ago.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 16, 2006, 11:38:46 AM
how do you portray yourself?
during a shopping trip, how long do you linger in the store? there;s a difference to store managers of people that are casually browsing the aisle's and people that look like they are loitering.
Well, to recount the incident that has triggered this "end of my rope"-type emotional crisis...lately, I have been kinda into the health/wholistic scene (for one thing, it seems to be a promising alternative to managing some health issues I have) - and one thing that I've liked to do lately is to go into health food stores and browse the selections, just to become familiar with the different products that these health stores offer and to compare prices (because the health scene CAN be quite pricey). So I was in Whole Foods yesterday, looking in the vitamin/supplement isle - and yes, I am prone to reading labels. (Whole Foods should be
used to label readers and such). I may have been in that aisle for 3 or 4 minutes when an employee comes up to me and asks the ubiquitous "May I help you" question. Now you have to know where I'm coming from: through years of experience, I've rightfully grown wary of the old "May I help you" tactic - I know from experience that at least 90% of the time, these employees aren't really that interested in actually helping me..."May I help you" is basically a disingenuous question designed for more "sinister" purposes. In essence, when I hear that question I go into a bit of a "defense mode" - the "oh, is it happening again?" mode. Because I realize that what they
really mean is "you seem suspicious and I am 'feeling you out'". So I look the employee squarely in the eye and answer, "no, I'm just looking" (which I really was). But I could immediately tell from this employee's weird, lingering gaze in response to my answer that he considered me and/or my response suspicious. In essence - the unfortunate dynamic that may have taken place during that moment is that he mistook my defensiveness (
if my defensiveness was even that apparent) and my wariness of the motives for his overtures, as a sign that I was Prime Shoplifting Suspect #1.
So he lingers in the aisle and does the old, predictable, "restocking inventory" routine (or whatever he was doing to "look busy" so that he could watch me). I continue my browsing of the inventory - and there was a book section in this aisle and I started browsing the books - I am
genuinely interested in the subject matter of these books and isn't it natural that a customer may want to browse through the books?!? I mean Jesus Christ they act like it is some novel act for a customer to linger in that jam-packed, multi-product isle that features
books. >:( ::) Anyway, the degradation of me continued when another employee enters the isle to say something to the first employee (the one checking me out) - the first employee evidently has to go into another section of the store for a moment and the second employee says out loud, "I'll stay here", as if to reassure him that she'll keep an eye on the suspicious black person. So they are on high-alert - they are afraid of leaving me unsupervised for even a few seconds. After a few moments, the first employee comes back and the second employee is relieved of her duty of watching me, so to speak - so she leaves the area. >:( >:(
During the whole episode, the first employee asks me for a second time can he help me, and I respond, "no - I'm really just looking" in a mild insistent/reassuring tone....either this response seems to satisfy him more than my first response, or he realizes that if he presses the issue he would begin to
really look obvious - because he really wasn't in my field of vision after that. (or maybe I was being watched by the security cameras at that point. ::) ) However, that wasn't the end of my degradation: when I go to the checkout counter (because I actually bought a couple of items), it is obvious to me that the checkout employee finds me suspicious, and she proceeds to implement her own tactics of "feeling me out". She asks some strange questions and her whole vibe is intrusive/confrontational - like I am some miscreant. First she asks me if I want a bag for my items - which is odd given the circumstances. I answer "yes". Then she asks me if I want a small bag or a large bag. Huh?! I guess she thought I was stupid and wouldn't pick up on the purpose of her questioning. A second ago she thought that I could do without a bag at all, and now she's asking if I want my 2 smallish items in a big bag? I mean, don't employees just automatically choose the appropriate bag 99% of the time? And again, it was her
tone just as much as it was the actual questioning - she thought I was some stupid, godd*mned criminal. She was doing that either because she thought I was "nervous", or she was seeing if I would
get nervous (because a customer with a few stolen items on their person would be getting mighty uncomfortable at the prolonged transaction, right?). If my body-language isn't to her satisfaction, or up to a certain arbitrary "standard", it
must be because I've stolen something. ::) These employees look for any little thing...and when they
think they have found something, they wrongly interpret it as suspicous. What? Was my eye-contact not strong enough? Do I need to bring in the various therapists that I've been seeing for the past 18 years for my social anxiety disorder to
explain to them that body language that they may find suspicous is not the mark of a shoplifter, but of a severely-shy person? (Folks, I warn you: DON'T be both black and shy - it is a nightmare as far as the assumptions people make about you. And if you happen to be suffering from depression on top of being both black and shy...then Lord help you.)
(Then again, if I had forced eye-contact, she would have considered
that suspicous - just as the first employee did when I gave him strong eye contact. When these employees zero in on you - you literally can't win.
Anything is proof to them that you're up to no good.)
Then on top of that, she does that little "verification" thing when I had her a $20. That in itself wouldn't have been so bad (I
try to be understanding as much as possible that these employees are only following standard protocol)
if it hadn't come on top of the other slights I had just experienced.
And there are
plenty more degrading experiences where that came from. This is simply unacceptable. Employees have no regard for the feelings and the dignity of customers, do they? Particularly black customers (as "EagleFeva" so bluntly pointed out).
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 11:35:10 AM
you still haven't explained why these stores are tageting you. you must have a good idea why.
A when you are black, they are going to see any little thing as an alarm bell, and construe any kind of behavior as "suspicious". I am not exaggerating when I say that certain shoppers (i.e. blacks) can't so much as lift a finger "the wrong way", or stay in one area more than 5 seconds, without some overly-suspicious, prejudiced employee thinking that they are shoplifting.
I've never seen a black person shopping who either hasn't shoplifted... or isn't about to.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 16, 2006, 11:50:59 AM
Well, I think that's oversimplifying it a bit. It depends on where you live, what the population looks like there, how you dress, how you act, etc. I don't think it's that blanket. A black guy in full hip hop gear would draw more attention than a black guy in a suit in most places. Right or wrong, it goes beyond *just* a race thing.
But the black guy in a suit
would draw attention. I know. I've been followed when I've been dressed-up. Sadly, it often doesn't matter how well you're dressed - if you're black.
Anyway, have there been actual
studies that show that black people are responsible for most or all of the shoplifting. Do people
know that black people are doing the lion's share of shoplifting? Is there concrete proof? Or is this just another situation where people are acting on their prejudices?
When I finally reach a position of power, I will require all chimpanzees to be rigorously trained, officially forming the world's first monkey-butler army. All will worship me.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 01:10:16 PM
I've never seen a black person shopping who either hasn't shoplifted... or isn't about to.
If you're trying to be funny, give up. If you're not, you need help. Either way, you're being inflammatory, and you need to back the hell off.
Feva is black dude. It was a joke. And I found it funny.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 01:18:50 PM
When I finally reach a position of power, I will require all chimpanzees to be rigorously trained, officially forming the world's first monkey-butler army. All will worship me.
What the farg happened to you, man? shtein, your ass used to be beautiful!
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on February 16, 2006, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 01:10:16 PM
I've never seen a black person shopping who either hasn't shoplifted... or isn't about to.
If you're trying to be funny, give up. If you're not, you need help. Either way, you're being inflammatory, and you need to back the hell off.
Sus, you do uhhh, know that Feva is black, right? I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
This is sounding more and more like bullshtein.
What happens when employees are stealing, cause when I worked in a pharmacy, we all stole from the store. I had giant stash of food and drinks that i just took whenever the hell. I ended up just never going back after I went to jubilee over the summer, no one really noticed. Speaking of which, I need a job, but have no abition to get one. Damnit.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 01:20:53 PM
Feva is black dude. It was a joke. And I found it funny.
No accounting for taste, I guess.
QuoteWhat the farg happened to you, man? shtein, your ass used to be beautiful!
I stopped caring. Life is much easier now.
Besides, you still love me and what more could I ask for? Fag.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 16, 2006, 01:21:12 PMSus, you do uhhh, know that Feva is black, right? I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
I didn't know that, and I'm not sure many casual readers would know either. It's pretty poor sarcasm if it needs to be explained.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 01:10:16 PM
I've never seen a black person shopping who either hasn't shoplifted... or isn't about to.
You ignorant hick. I suppose you have a crystal ball that looks into the life history of every black person you come across, huh? Do you have special powers that bless you with supreme knowledge of black people's lives?
From the sound of things, I have more class and integrity in my little finger than you have in your whole bigoted body. Not that you have the capacity to see that - since you want to hold on to your ignorant beliefs that paint all black people as criminals. You probably depend on your ignorance to give you some artificial, perverse self-esteem boost.
Why don't you take a trip to Novacare and tell Donovan McNabb, Brian Dawkins, and the rest of the black Eagles players just what you think about them, huh? I'm sure they'll be thrilled to hear from such a "fan".
Point made.
For once in my life, I wish wiggy were here.
This threads gone from suck to blow.
Why is it that every new person on this board is a farging idiot?
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 01:28:39 PM
Why is it that every new person on this board is a farging idiot?
I'm starting to wonder if this is stilloncrack and not igy.
there's no difference between racial humor and the humor in telling people to kill themselves. if you laugh at one and are offended by the other, you're a hypocrite.
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 01:25:53 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 01:10:16 PM
I've never seen a black person shopping who either hasn't shoplifted... or isn't about to.
You ignorant hick. I suppose you have a crystal ball that looks into the life history of every black person you come across, huh? Do you have special powers that bless you with supreme knowledge of black people's lives?
I don't know if I'd call them special powers... but being a black man does kinda give me a little knowledge of a black person's life.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 01:29:43 PM
there's no difference between racial humor and the humor in telling people to kill themselves. if you laugh at one and are offended by the other, you're a hypocrite.
Kinda the way I looked at it. You're gay, btw.
Ooops.
now that's offensive. i'm telling mom.
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on February 16, 2006, 11:38:46 AM
how do you portray yourself?
during a shopping trip, how long do you linger in the store? there;s a difference to store managers of people that are casually browsing the aisle's and people that look like they are loitering.
Well,......
you still havent answered the question. how do you present yourself, as in how do you dress? casual? hip-hop? etc....
and it sounds like a little bit of paranoia mixed in.
by the way, i am a white guy...and i have $20 bills checked all the time. almost every time i use them.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 01:25:53 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 01:10:16 PM
I've never seen a black person shopping who either hasn't shoplifted... or isn't about to.
You ignorant hick. I suppose you have a crystal ball that looks into the life history of every black person you come across, huh? Do you have special powers that bless you with supreme knowledge of black people's lives?
I don't know if I'd call them special powers... but being a black man does kinda give me a little knowledge of a black person's life.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on February 16, 2006, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 01:20:53 PM
Feva is black dude. It was a joke. And I found it funny.
No accounting for taste, I guess.
Damn Sus... you mean to tell me that with all the sarcasm that's flung around this board on a daily basis, there's a problem with a black man making light of his own race? Now personally, you may not have known that I'm a black man, but there are a number of people on this board that are pretty sure... and those that are 100% sure. The joke or two I made was being thrown out there for them.
Look man, whatever... it's all good. Sorry to rile you up.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 01:18:50 PM
When I finally reach a position of power, I will require all chimpanzees to be rigorously trained, officially forming the world's first monkey-butler army. All will worship me.
What the farg happened to you, man? shtein, your ass used to be beautiful!
I just watched that yesterday. That scene anyway. Love that line. :-D
i know, me too. as soon as i heard it again last night, i knew i would have use for it on here sometime
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 01:41:10 PM
i know, me too. as soon as i heard it again last night, i knew i would have use for it on here sometime
I must say, you executed it beautifully.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 01:28:39 PM
Why is it that every new person on this board is a farging idiot?
Maybe because every "new" person hasn't (yet) spent half of their waking hours on this board? I guess you can tell by my reaction to EagleFeva's post that I haven't spent quite enough time here to know who's black, who has a turdish sense-of-humor, etc.
Thanks EagleFeva for setting me up for the requisite "farging idiot newbie" post.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 16, 2006, 01:35:28 PMDamn Sus... you mean to tell me that with all the sarcasm that's flung around this board on a daily basis, there's a problem with a black man making light of his own race?
No big issue there, as long as the context is fairly clear. Quite a few casual readers (and some not so casual ones) could easily take certain sarcasm the wrong way. Crossroids, for example.
QuoteNow personally, you may not have known that I'm a black man, but there are a number of people on this board that are pretty sure... and those that are 100% sure. The joke or two I made was being thrown out there for them.
Gotcha. I guess it was a little too "inside."
QuoteLook man, whatever... it's all good. Sorry to rile you up.
No biggie.
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 01:44:09 PM
Thanks EagleFeva for setting me up for the requisite "farging idiot newbie" post.
Hey, it's the least I could do.
See... now don't you feel like you belong?
Crossroids... you should be taking this issue to a doctor for help if you have a medical condition.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 16, 2006, 01:33:16 PM
you still havent answered the question. how do you present yourself, as in how do you dress? casual? hip-hop? etc....
and it sounds like a little bit of paranoia mixed in.
by the way, i am a white guy...and i have $20 bills checked all the time. almost every time i use them.
If by "paranoia" you mean that I am imagining something that is not there, then you are being too dismissive. This is a reality - I know it's going on. The first posts of this thread confirm this.
As for how I present myself - well, I am most decidedly
not "hip hop" - not at all. Oh, and I'm female...so throw the whole "baggy jeans, cap backward" idea out of the window.
I have no gold teeth.
I do admit that within the past several years, I have often not dressed as well as I could have. You might think I'm just making excuses...but I have had a debilitating depression - the type of depression that causes you to not put as much care into your appearance as maybe someone who is not depressed. However, my dressing well (relatively speaking) does not necessarily prevent my being watched. It often seems that it doesn't make a difference. Yesterday, I was dressed well.
And dressing well and looking nice is a relative thing - subject to people's own standards and tastes (and prejudices). If you're black, how well-dressed to you have to be? Is the casual look not allowed? Is it possible to dress well enough if you're black?
Even though I may not always dress to the nines, I'd like to think that I carry myself pretty well - not that some prejudiced employee would actually notice that, and distinguish me from the the "hip hop" people or any other blacks. These employees see what they want to see.
I guess I need to carry a note from my doctor and attach it to me every time I go out. Whenever an employee comes into my vicinity I can point to the note, and there would be a number that they can call to reach my therapist. ::) I could give them my cell phone to call the therapist so that they will be able to watch me as they are making the call. ::)
Btw, my aunt - who
always dresses well and who is as neat as a pin - recently told me that she has frequently been subject to the same behavior. Now if
she gets that kind of treatment based on how she looks...then I know that it is often not possible to dress well enough or look "presentable enough" - if you're black.
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 01:28:39 PM
Why is it that every new person on this board is a farging idiot?
Maybe because every "new" person hasn't (yet) spent half of their waking hours on this board? I guess you can tell by my reaction to EagleFeva's post that I haven't spent quite enough time here to know who's black, who has a turdish sense-of-humor, etc.
Thanks EagleFeva for setting me up for the requisite "farging idiot newbie" post.
Good news! The next version of the message board software will have a profile spot for Race, and you get a color coded gif next to all of your posts. This way we can keep track of what you're stealing. Oh, and please don't steal from us. Thank you.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 16, 2006, 02:06:39 PMGood news! The next version of the message board software will have a profile spot for Race, and you get a color coded gif next to all of your posts. This way we can keep track of what you're stealing. Oh, and please don't steal from us. Thank you.
May I help you??
Yes, I'm looking for a coat with a lot of pockets.
Quote from: MURP on February 16, 2006, 01:52:11 PM
Crossroids... you should be taking this issue to a doctor for help if you have a medical condition.
In other words - you don't want to deal with the issue. You don't want to hear about it. While I feel that my social anxiety disorder and depression are relavant to this complex issue, I knew that mentioning them would be a risk because people would jump at the chance to blame my experiences on my problems - and dismiss them. Don't mistake depression or social anxiety disorder for schizoprhenia. Employee behavior is a problem - and it is not my problem.
Do I take these incidents to heart more than perhaps the average person? Maybe. But that doesn't negate the fact that what these employees are doing is grossly unfair to me.
I've checked into it, and it turns out MURP is not a liscenced therapist.
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: MURP on February 16, 2006, 01:52:11 PM
Crossroids... you should be taking this issue to a doctor for help if you have a medical condition.
In other words - you don't want to deal with the issue. You don't want to hear about it. While I feel that my social anxiety disorder and depression are relavant to this complex issue, I knew that mentioning them would be a risk because people would jump at the chance to blame my experiences on my problems - and dismiss them. Don't mistake depression or social anxiety disorder for schizoprhenia. Employee behavior is a problem - and it is not my problem.
Do I take these incidents to heart more than perhaps the average person? Maybe. But that doesn't negate the fact that what these employees are doing is grossly unfair to me.
and this is a football fan message board.
i really am confused at to what your point is. we all agree that it sucks people are discriminated against. but what exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
Quotei know, me too. as soon as i heard it again last night, i knew i would have use for it on here sometime
That shtein'll rob you of your ambitions
Not if your ambition is to get high and watch TV.
Bridget Fonda is super hot in that flick
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: MURP on February 16, 2006, 01:52:11 PM
Crossroids... you should be taking this issue to a doctor for help if you have a medical condition.
In other words - you don't want to deal with the issue. You don't want to hear about it.
Actually the opposite is true. If you need help with your medical issues, which are obviously part of the issue or you wouldnt have brought them up, then you need to seek out proffesional advice. A football message board based on humor and nonsense isnt going to be of much help. You can vent all you want, but dont get all defensive and fired up when people come back with something you dont want to hear.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 16, 2006, 02:17:50 PM
i really am confused at to what your point is. we all agree that it sucks people are discriminated against. but what exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
yeah really. ???
Quote from: General_Failure on February 16, 2006, 02:17:17 PM
I've checked into it, and it turns out MURP is not a liscenced therapist.
but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night
And that helped him become the world's greatest dressmaker, but was no help at all with figuring out psychological trauma.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 16, 2006, 02:17:50 PM
and this is a football fan message board.
i really am confused at to what your point is. we all agree that it sucks people are discriminated against. but what exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
Hey - this being a "football fan message board" doesn't prevent you from discussing other "irrelevant" topics! Isn't that what this "General" folder is supposed to be about - a place where you can discuss topics not relevant to the Eagles or to football?
As to what I'm trying to "accomplish"...well, you have to understand how being subject to constant discriminatory behavior affects a person -
any person. I've written and/or talked to various managers about the matter and it hasn't really changed a thing. What good would writing another letter to the company do? And I find myself suffering a buildup of emotions more and more that I have to deal with it some kind of way (that won't put me in jail). I wanted to seek confirmation as to what is going on (because managers don't really say anything of substance to you - it's either denial, denial, denial, or some other p.r. garbage), and get some feedback. Also, I really need to
vent. And many of you may not even be aware that others face this kind of treatment - perhaps part of dealing with the problem for me is to create more awareness. And from the sheer, increasingly-shameless frequency of this behavior, it is not apparent to me at all that these employees even realize how degraded, hurt, and insulted that they make customers feel by their behavior. (Although I suspect that some employees may actually enjoy making customers feel this way.)
And if I actually boycott the stores where I am offended - guess what? Eventually, I would either have to do all my shopping on the internet...or make do without. It is that bad.
(http://www.blazinbeauties.com/images5/alba_beach/alba_beach_2_small.jpg)
Tension breaker, had to be done.
I DON"T FARGIN' CARE! GO AWAY CRYBABY DEGRADED PAIN IN THE ASS STILLONCRACK-ACTING MOTHERFARGER!
Jesus Christ!!
QuoteHey - this being a "football fan message board" doesn't prevent you from discussing other "irrelevant" topics! Isn't that what this "General" folder is supposed to be about - a place where you can discuss topics not relevant to the Eagles or to football?
yes, this is true. but you have some sense of entitlement to discuss this topic here. why? you want to vent? get a therapist. just don't be surprised when people question why you are discussing a serious subject like this with such vigor on a football message board.
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: MURP on February 16, 2006, 01:52:11 PM
Crossroids... you should be taking this issue to a doctor for help if you have a medical condition.
In other words - you don't want to deal with the issue. You don't want to hear about it. While I feel that my social anxiety disorder and depression are relavant to this complex issue, I knew that mentioning them would be a risk because people would jump at the chance to blame my experiences on my problems - and dismiss them. Don't mistake depression or social anxiety disorder for schizoprhenia. Employee behavior is a problem - and it is not my problem.
True and true.
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 02:41:36 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on February 16, 2006, 02:17:50 PM
and this is a football fan message board.
i really am confused at to what your point is. we all agree that it sucks people are discriminated against. but what exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
And if I actually boycott the stores where I am offended - guess what? Eventually, I would either have to do all my shopping on the internet...or make do without. It is that bad.
Well, since you do all of your
venting here, you should do some shopping while you are at it. :CF has lovely sweatshirts and some wholistic items on sale I'm sure.
Quote from: MURP on February 16, 2006, 01:52:11 PM
Crossroids... you should be taking this issue to a doctor for help if you have a medical condition.
Or toss yourself off a bridge.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 16, 2006, 01:27:25 PM
For once in my life, I wish wiggy were here.
He is
Dio. He is.
:-D
This thread is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too touchy feeley. I recommend we nuke it.
Crossdresser or whatever the hell your name is......
I don't know why you are being treated so poorly when you go out but I bet you deserve it.
Seriously. How farged in the head does a person have to be when they want to keep their anonymous internet personality anonymous? That's about as dumb as wearing 2 costumes on Halloween.
You're in the wrong place.
Try here:
(http://media.cbs10kztv.com/images/dr+phil.jpg) (http://www.drphil.com/)
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 02:46:48 PM
yes, this is true. but you have some sense of entitlement to discuss this topic here. why? you want to vent? get a therapist. just don't be surprised when people question why you are discussing a serious subject like this with such vigor on a football message board.
Just about every poster here has a sense of entitlement to discuss whatever it is they want to discuss - why is this such a problem now? Do you mean that this board has
never discussed a serious subject?
I think there is a bit of the "kill the messenger" dynamic going on here: people don't want to hear about racism or unfair, discriminatory behavior...people want to bury their heads in the sand. Just because this subject is making you uncomfortable you want to lash out at me.
Anyway, it would be interesting to go back and see how other posters were treated whenever they brought up a serious, real-life subject - or dared to bring up actual
reality on this board.
And is it a requirement here that every single post here must be infused with snarky humor and sarcastic witticisms? (many of you guys seem like clones of each other :-D - I realize that I am "different" in the way that I am posting right now) I am just not in the mood right now to disguise my feelings in witty soundbites.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 16, 2006, 02:51:07 PM
Seriously. How farged in the head does a person have to be when they want to keep their anonymous internet personality anonymous? That's about as dumb as wearing 2 costumes on Halloween.
Oh please. Like you've never posted under another screename.
This board is full of "farged in the head" folks if that is the criteria. :-D You might want to watch your step.
BTW...I think there's a medical procedure to cure crossroids.
I will PayPal $20 to the mod who bans this goddamned idiot, O Lords of the Field Concrete.
Jesus Christ, this isn't the Oprah MB.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 12:03:45 PM
i used to work for a rental store place when i was a teenager. i never worried about people stealing anything. then, one day, a couple teens, yes they were black, sole about $200 worth of shtein while i was working, snuck it out. i got my ass chewed out and almost fired. from then on, when i group of black teens came into the store, i was suspicious and i kept my eye on them. was i prejudice? no, i was remembering past experiences. i never harrassed anybody, but i did ask to check their bookbags when they left, and i'm sure they were pissed at me, but who they should've been pissed at the were the black kids who came into the store before them, stole shtein and almost got me fired. this would've been the same if would've been white kids, indian kids, whatever types of kids that had done it before on my watch, because they got me suspicious. so while you will never steal anything, don't just assume everybody is a racist because they are suspicious of you in a store. sometimes there is a good reason for people to be suspicious and that reason comes from past events.
You mean to tell me that if those teenagers who had stolen the items had been white, you would have been suspicious and watchful of every white teenager who came into that store? Somehow I'm skeptical.
And I suppose that if those teenagers had been white, you would have targeted the white customers only, and not suspected any black customers at all. Yea right.
And I'm waiting for the unbiased, scientific proof that shows that black people are doing most or all of the stealing in these stores. I think black people are simply easy targets.
scientific proof, eh?
hold on while i descend into the lab....mwuhahahahahahah!
listen, we've all entertianed you for awhile, some have even tried to help. but get this straight, and i think i can speak for most of us.
NOBODY fargING CARES. GROW A SET OF BALLS AND MAN THE farg UP BITCH!
Quote from: Diomedes on February 16, 2006, 03:32:50 PM
Jesus Christ, this isn't the Oprah MB.
Speaking of Oprah...I think I've heard her say that she's experienced similar shopping insults. And she's
Oprah, for crying out loud.
Twenty cash dollars. Anyone else wanna pledge?
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(http://chris.pirillo.com/_attachments/409562/silly.jpg)
I'll give a hearty internet pat on the back, but you bitches aren't getting any of my money.
here is your previous posters handle (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1054)
(http://www.workingpsychology.com/ger-folder/gr-photo-3-late/gr-1995Q-silly-gayle.jpg)
QuotePosition: Whiny Bastich
well, no shtein
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 03:42:30 PM
listen, we've all entertianed you for awhile, some have even tried to help. but get this straight, and i think i can speak for most of us.
NOBODY fargING CARES. GROW A SET OF BALLS AND MAN THE farg UP BITCH!
O.k. - I feel like I'm in the Vet, and I've just received the Philly boo. Cool.
QuoteMay 21, 2005, 12:21:49 AM
:-D
Quote from: MURP on February 16, 2006, 03:51:57 PM
here is your previous posters handle (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1054)
I knew I wouldn't have to reveal it - I figured that either you or PhillyGirl would do the honors. It was just a matter of how quickly such a post would show up.
And since I have no doubt that at least one of you traced my I.P. as soon as you read my post alluding to my prior screename - I commend you for sitting on the info for as long as you did. It must have been an ordeal - glad I gave you guys something to do other than listen to WIP and fire off angry letters to Eagles-dissing journalists.
I bet the focus of this thread has turned swiftly...
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 03:52:47 PM
QuotePosition: Whiny Bastich
well, no shtein
Oh shtein! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
And people think I whine too much?
First its whining about Freddie Mitchell's "unfair" treatment by the NFL and the fans. Now its this?
Pardon me while I vomit.
Just because this douche whines more doesn't negate the fact that you are a whiner. Duh.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 03:46:47 PM
(http://www.stanford.edu/group/elcm/photos/Silly%20Elena.JPG)
I'd hit it.
Quote from: Crossroids on February 16, 2006, 03:30:29 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 16, 2006, 02:51:07 PM
Seriously. How farged in the head does a person have to be when they want to keep their anonymous internet personality anonymous? That's about as dumb as wearing 2 costumes on Halloween.
Oh please. Like you've never posted under another screename.
This board is full of "farged in the head" folks if that is the criteria. :-D You might want to watch your step.
No. Not really. I've changed my handle on this board but it's still the same account that I've always had. I've never tried creating a brand new profile to remain anonymous from my previously existing anonymous account.
Get a grenade, set yourself on fire, pull the pin and jump off a cliff. That will solve all your problems. And one of ours at the same time.
A neck stabbing would be beneficial as well.
Quote from: MURP on February 16, 2006, 03:51:57 PM
here is your previous posters handle (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1054)
Dude, you've got 80 posts in 2.5 years and you haven't been active here since last May. Trust me, nobody here would have known who you are anyway.
Okay...this has gotten too far off the original topic, and is quickly careening into personal attack hell.