QuoteRon Borges, of The Boston Globe, reports the NFLPA has announced the prices for franchise tagged players and transition tagged players for the 2006 season. Quarterbacks will carry a franchise tag of $8,789,000 and a transition tag of $8,327,000. Wide receivers will carry a franchise tag of $6,172,000 and a transition tag of $5,160,000. Offensive lineman will carry a franchise tag of $6,983,000 and a transition tag of $6,391,000. Running backs will carry a franchise tag of $6,085,000 and a transition tag of $5,153,000. Tight ends will carry a franchise tag of $3,327,000 and a transition tag of $2,718,000.
Ron Borges, of The Boston Globe, reports the NFLPA has announced the prices for franchise tagged players and transition tagged players for the 2006 season. Defensive ends will carry a franchise tag of $8,332,000 and a transition tag of $7,075,000. Linebackers will carry a franchise tag of $7,169,000 and a transition tag of $6,144,000. Cornerbacks will carry a franchise tag of $5,893,000 and a transition tag of $4,744,000. Defensive tackles will carry a franchise tag of $5,656,000 and a transition tag of $4,463,000. Safeties will carry a franchise tag of $4,109,000 and a transition tag of $3,592,000.
Ron Borges, of The Boston Globe, reports the NFLPA has announced the prices for franchise tagged players and transition tagged players for the 2006 season. Punters and place kickers will carry a franchise tag of $2,468,000 and a transition tag of $2,045,000.
Franchise Keith Adams now!
Franchise Runyan.
For real.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 11:02:46 AM
Franchise Runyan.
For real.
No way, you think he's worth over $6 mill?
Yep. For 1 season he is.
Or at least put the tag on him until they can get a long term deal done.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 11:02:46 AM
Franchise Runyan.
For real.
Agreed. He's worth the money, and the Eagles have it. No other tackle out there is as good, and this locker room could benefit by seeing the Eagles pay some money to keep a well liked, productive teamate in the fold. Seriously, franchise Runyan.
That's actually on the cheap, considering what we paid when he first came here. We couldn't pick up a comparable FA OT for much less.
Abraham could get the tag again (http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1139292614267780.xml&coll=1)
QuoteThe one-year, franchise tender offer for a defensive end this season is $8.3 million. Clubs can place the franchise tag on players from Feb. 9 through Feb. 23. Should the Jets put the tag on Abraham, they will have paid him nearly $15 million over two years without having a long-term deal.
Abraham's agents, Tony Agnone and Rich Rosa, were unavailable for comment yesterday. Bradway doesn't discuss contract matters.
"The Jets said they would take care of John if he stayed healthy but there have been no talks," said the person. "John's camp feels that the Jets have lied to him and it's personal. They feel Terry Bradway and (assistant GM) Mike Tannenbaum just don't like John. They didn't draft him, and they just don't think he's a great player and they don't want to pay him.
"Plus, they have all that money tied up into Chad Pennington ($22 million over the past two seasons) and he may not even pass his physical this spring. Now, they're scared to pay John."
Last season, Abraham had 70 tackles, 10 1/2 sacks, six forced fumbles (all on quarterback strips) and one fumble recovery.
He played in nearly 85 percent of the defensive snaps and improved his play against the run after bulking up to 265 pounds.
Entering last season, Abraham hadn't played an entire 16-game schedule since 2002 and the Jets used that as leverage in not signing him to a long-term deal.
Signing Abraham to a long-term deal would figure to be a priority for new head coach Eric Mangini, who is expected to employ a base 3-4 defense with the flexibility of using multiple fronts.
Abraham said last season that he would skip training camp again if the Jets put the franchise tag on him and he wouldn't be happy when he reported.
If the Jets slap Abraham with the franchise tag, they may try to trade him and one destination could be San Diego in a deal for quarterback Philip Rivers, especially with former Chargers quarterback coach Brian Schottenheimer having been hired as the Jets new offensive coordinator.
Abraham if he gets tagged again: :boom
:-D
Tough call.
There are so many almost-good players on the OL that are much younger. If Thomas will really be back as promised to man the LT spot and Andrews even drops into the 360's and takes care of himself AT ALL, they are guaranteed spots. Andrews might end up at RT or RG, depending on circumstances.
That leaves Hicks, Fraley, Clarke, Jackson, and Herremans competing for 3 spots along the line. It gets even more intriguing when Heckert says he thinks Herremans could play OG.
I don't think Runyan's worth $6+m, especially in the last constrictive cap year before a likely huge increase in 2007.
There should be a few good OL that are much younger than Runyan available in FA, most notably Phreak's boy Steve Hutchinson. If they pick up a guy like that, I would hope they could fill out the other two spots on the line with some combination of guys already on the team. Even if they don't get anyone else in FA, the line should be better with all the younger guys battling each other and benefitting from another training camp.
I know the OL is ridiculously important, but I'd rather the team spends big dollars on improving the defense and possibly adding a WR. I think the OL might be "fine" without Runyan.
i doubt the Eagles ever use the franchise tag again, it really hasn't worked out too well for them in the past.
Maybe they'll franchise McNabb, just for fun.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 11:27:51 AM
There should be a few good OL that are much younger than Runyan available in FA, most notably Phreak's boy Steve Hutchinson...
Hutchinson doesn't solve the teams tackle problems.
Tra is coming off back surgery, and Andrews is too fat and slow for tackle.
Herremans/Tra or Herremans/Andrews?
The franchise tag for Runyan is not a bad idea at all.
Although I've backed off the "GET HUTCHINSON" wagon, if they signed him I wouldn't mind it. The reason I've chilled on that is because I think it'll take a ginormous amount of money to get him. Judging by what the open market is like for OG's, it'll take a big check to land him. Damien Woody got a 6 year $31M deal with a $9M signing bonus two years ago. (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/03/06/woody_returns_as_a_lion_in_the_winter/) And he's not near the player that Hutchinson is.
But if the Eagles did go spend that on him, I wouldn't mind seeing Runyan walk. It would hurt less.
Thomas
Hutchinson
Jackson
Andrews
Herremans
That wouldn't be too bad. It allows Clarke to be the backup OG and Hicks to be the backup OT.
But I would do all it takes to get Runyan back in the mix. He is not only the best RT out there in FA but he is durable as hell and a big part of the locker room. Franchise him. If he doesn't like it he can cry all the way to the bank to collect his $6.983M check. But i would hit him with the tag and then get a long term deal done. Use the tag to keep him off the market. I guarantee a team will sign him fast. Houston would be the front runner, IMO.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 07, 2006, 11:30:16 AM
i doubt the Eagles ever use the franchise tag again, it really hasn't worked out too well for them in the past.
Good point, and Runyan isn't exactly the kind of guy who would respond to it nicely.
The Eagles would be wiser, if they want to keep Runyan, to work out a 3-year deal (or so) with him. Throw the guy about a $5 million bonus with the vet minimum for this year, about $3m for next year, and some insane amount he'll never see for 2008. That way, they push the cap hit until years when there will be PLENTY of room.
Franchising Runyan is a bad idea all around.
Quote from: qwert246 on February 07, 2006, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 11:27:51 AM
There should be a few good OL that are much younger than Runyan available in FA, most notably Phreak's boy Steve Hutchinson...
Hutchinson doesn't solve the teams tackle problems.
Tra is coming off back surgery, and Andrews is too fat and slow for tackle.
Herremans/Tra or Herremans/Andrews?
The franchise tag for Runyan is not a bad idea at all.
Andrews stays at RG. He's fat but he isn't too slow. That guy can get his 380 moving with a quickness. Watch him sometime and it'll amaze you how good his footwork is.
But like I said above...if they sign Hutch then it means that they have a good OL even with Herremans at RT. But I want Runyan back.
You're not going to get Runyan back AND Hutchinson... guaran-farging-teed.
that's why, they're going to let Runyan walk, sign Hutchinson, and draft either Justice or McNeil
You might want to start praying now.
I would bet good money that they sign zero FA's, including Runyan, for the offensive line.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 11:43:38 AM
You might want to start praying now.
I would bet good money that they sign zero FA's, including Runyan, for the offensive line.
So you're buying what Heckert is selling?
I dont think Runyan would mind the franchise tag. Its gaurunteed big money for one year of service. He doesnt plan on playing much longer so its not like he wants a 7 year deal.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 11:40:13 AM
You're not going to get Runyan back AND Hutchinson... guaran-farging-teed.
Yes, I know that. Never said they'd get both.
Quote from: qwert246 on February 07, 2006, 11:45:19 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 11:43:38 AM
You might want to start praying now.
I would bet good money that they sign zero FA's, including Runyan, for the offensive line.
So you're buying what Heckert is selling?
Sure. I'm saying what I believe
will happen... not what I believe
should happen.
Quote from: MURP on February 07, 2006, 11:46:10 AM
I dont think Runyan would mind the franchise tag. Its gaurunteed big money for one year of service. He doesnt plan on playing much longer so its not like he wants a 7 year deal.
he's already said that he knows this is his last contract and he can get a big-time signing bonus. them giving him the franchise tag would piss him off somethin fierce
His SB + salary would likely be =/> the FT offer.
One thing to remember if they do not get a new CBA done. The amounts of SB's will not be as big because they cannot prorate them for 6 or 7 years. This isn't a good time to be a UFA if you're lookin for big time cash. Unless a team has a ton of cap space and gives most of it as roster bonuses.
if he can find a SB of more than 7 million than good luck. Otherwise the franchise tag is money in the bank.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 11:59:52 AM
One thing to remember if they do not get a new CBA done.
I honestly can't see this happening. It fargs with every team if this happens (not just the Skins). I would be surprised.
Runyan wants to stay in Philly, so there's that.
Quote from: MURP on February 07, 2006, 11:59:54 AM
if he can find a SB of more than 7 million than good luck. Otherwise the franchise tag is money in the bank.
That's why you give him a relatively short contract with a signing bonus in the $5m range, as I suggested. That's even more money in the bank. Instead of getting his salary in the fall in the form of game checks, he'd make most of it right away in one chunk... and it would be a lot cheaper against the Eagles 2006 cap.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 12:12:37 PM
Quote from: MURP on February 07, 2006, 11:59:54 AM
if he can find a SB of more than 7 million than good luck. Otherwise the franchise tag is money in the bank.
That's why you give him a relatively short contract with a signing bonus in the $5m range, as I suggested. That's even more money in the bank. Instead of getting his salary in the fall in the form of game checks, he'd make most of it right away in one chunk... and it would be a lot cheaper against the Eagles 2006 cap.
Someone will offer more and he will be gone. The tag offers some protection with picks.
Just letting him go would be 10 times smarter than the tag. We don't need that drama this offseason.
So do you guys think that Hutchinson will be franchised?
What about Wayne or James from Indy?
I think we've talked about Runyan enough.
wayne is getting tagged...james is moving on
Do what it takes to keep him here. Even if he's overpaid. And even if he is overpaid, he's not.
I'm not sure we tag him...or we could always play around...tag him...then let him go.
I don't understand how anyone could possibly think tagging Runyan is a good idea.
If you're going to tag Runyan, wouldn't it make more sense to give him a transition one instead?
Yes, that way he's extra pissed off if he's pissed off at all.
Why wouldn't it be? Tagging him wouldn't guarantee a blow up by him. If you tag him then he gets his money or they work out a long term deal.
If you're cool with just letting him walk, then don't tag him. But you'd better hope that he doesn't get blown away by a team like Houston in the first days of UFA. Because if he does he's gone.
Sign him now
Or
Franchise him for 1 year
Or
Franchise him and work out a long term deal
If they wanted him as much as we do, we would have heard about them working on a deal. That's my take on it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 01:44:12 PM
I don't understand how anyone could possibly think tagging Runyan is a good idea.
Lets say he wouldnt mind being tagged, would that change your stance on it or not?
You guys are bad at math.
Runyan's attitude and hopes for his next contract + Putting franchise tag on Runyan =
PR NIGHTMAREIf you can't re-sign him at agreeable terms, let him go. PERIOD. NO TAG.
Quote from: MURP on February 07, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
Lets say he wouldnt mind being tagged, would that change your stance on it or not?
If you want to assume that, sure. I would find it hard to believe he wouldn't mind, though.
Runyan's attitude = wants to stay in Philadelphia.
He also wants a good payday. $6.983M in cold hard guaranteed cash = good payday.
i think hed stay for a guaranteed spot at WIP when he retires...nothing more nothing less
If I'm Runyan, I'm asking for the money the Eagles docked me last year for no apparent reason on top of whatever they're offering me, so he could be looking for almost $7.5M. The cash of the franchise tag is good, but is he still bitter about being asked to take a pay cut when the team had over $15M in cap room?
Can't he afford to buy WIP yet?
Well, even if he wouldn't mind the franchise tag and/or a 1-year deal (which I still doubt a lot), it would still be wise for the Eagles to push off some of the cap hit of that $7m to future years, due to the status of the CBA.
The franchise tag really makes no sense here any way you look at it.
The cash of the franchise tag is good, but is he still bitter about being asked to take a pay cut when the team had over $15M in cap room?
as mind boggling as it was for the birds to do that...i honestly dont know how they pulled it off with a straight face...you can only blame runyan for agreeing to it...i woulda bit banner in his face as he was asking me
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 01:57:07 PM
Well, even if he wouldn't mind the franchise tag and/or a 1-year deal (which I still doubt a lot), it would still be wise for the Eagles to push off some of the cap hit of that $7m to future years, due to the status of the CBA.
The franchise tag really makes no sense here any way you look at it.
It certainly does make sense.
Look, Andrews isn't ready to take over at RT yet. Runyan would clearly be a better fit right there and unless the Eagles can sign someone in free agency who's capable of playing at that level or drafting someone who can step right in and take over, then giving Runyan a whopper of a one-year deal makes perfect sense.
Again, whether or not he stays depends on what the Eagles do in free agency & the draft. If another team comes along and blows them out of the water in terms of signing bonus or whatever, then so be it.
Clearly, the Eagles aren't going to sign him long-term. It's just not going to happen. But offering him franchise money for one year if no one else offers him a huge multi-year deal makes the best sense.
One thing though: If I were Joe Banner, I'd talk to Runyan and his agent to make sure that franchising him would be welcomed. If not, all hell could break lose. Again.
I never said offering him "franchise-type" money was a bad idea. Using the tag is a bad idea, though.
You people just don't learn anything from history. This front office does NOT play well with the tag.
Well, just because it didn't work for Trotter and Simon doesn't mean that it wouldn't work in this instance. In my opinion it is a case by case basis. Simon and Trotter were younger guys who were looking for that post-rookie contract fatass payday.
Runyan is a seasoned vet who has had a $30M contract already.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 07, 2006, 02:40:38 PM
Look, Andrews isn't ready to take over at RT yet. ...
I think he's a guard for life. His body isn't tackle material. If he would just develop into dominant guard, that would be fantastic. The idea that he'll "grow" into the RT position scares me. I don't want a squat fatso with short arms lining up against 6'4" 283 lb. glorified OLBs lining up at DE. That's a recipe for failure, imho.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 02:48:17 PM
Well, just because it didn't work for Trotter and Simon doesn't mean that it wouldn't work in this instance. In my opinion it is a case by case basis. Simon and Trotter were younger guys who were looking for that post-rookie contract fatass payday.
Runyan is a seasoned vet who has had a $30M contract already.
Let me itemize this, so all of you pro-franchise tag
idiots people can understand it. One of the following things will happen with Runyan and the Eagles before the 2006 season:
1. The Eagles have no interest in keeping him at all, no matter what. (obviously no tag needed)
2. The Eagles wouldn't mind keeping him, but only if he doesn't get a big offer elsewhere. (obviously no tag needed)
3. The Eagles want to keep Runyan. Runyan wants to be an Eagle. The two sides work out an appropriate deal, whether it be a 1-year deal or longer. (obviously no tag needed)
3a. The Eagles want to keep Runyan. Runyan wants to be an Eagle. The two sides cannot work out an appropriate deal, but Runyan is content to be tagged while a deal is worked out. (This is so unlikely that it's silly, but it has to be what Phreak, MURP, and romey are thinking for some unknown reason. If Runyan's ok with playing on a one-year deal, then they'd just sign him to a one-year deal. That said, this is the ONLY scenario in which the tag might make sense, even if the scenario itself makes no sense.)
4. Runyan wants to get the most money possible for his "last" contract and play the market. The Eagles are interested in retaining him, but don't want to get in a bidding war. (This is where the tag comes into play. And there's no WAY Runyan would be happy about getting tagged in this situation, so it's a really bad idea.)
Those are the possible scenarios. The tag doesn't work for any of them except 3a.
I'll take what's behind door number 3a, please!
Quote from: Diomedes on February 07, 2006, 02:59:38 PM
I'll take what's behind door number 3a, please!
And I'll ride the rainbow mobile powered by liquid bat urine to the nuthouse based on Mars.
So let him walk and then rejoice as the OL is shaky as hell. :yay
Placing the tag on him would buy time to get a new deal hammered out. And if one is not done then he gets the guaranteed $6.983M bucks. Obviously that would only need to be done ifthey don't reach a deal by March 3rd. But if there is no deal done by then you have to tag him to keep his rights. You cannot just let him walk away. Period. If his feelings are hurt...tough shtein. Go complain to the NFLPA like every other guy who gets the tag. But I doubt Runyan goes that cry-baby route like some have gone.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 03:04:09 PM
But I doubt Runyan goes that cry-baby route like some have gone.
This, right here, is your problem. He is a WIP regular and host. He is on the record as saying he wants one last decent contract. He is a big, obnoxious, ugly man. He took a pay cut as the team requested last year.
What part of the equation could possibly lead you to believe he wouldn't be privately and/or publicly upset about getting tagged?
I agree, Phreak.
FF is just being hard-headed on this one.
:whistle:
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 07, 2006, 03:14:02 PM
FF is just being hard-headed on this one.
Your wife tells me you can't get hard-headed anymore without medication. ZING!
Well, just because it didn't work for Trotter and Simon doesn't mean that it wouldn't work in this instance. In my opinion it is a case by case basis. Simon and Trotter were younger guys who were looking for that post-rookie contract fatass payday.
Runyan is a seasoned vet who has had a $30M contract already.
NO ONE ever wants to be franchised...i dont care what age they are...it limits how much money you can make...period...if runyan didnt care about getting franchised then there would be no reason to franchise him in the first place...him and the eagles would just get together pre free agency and work out their own deal
i agree keeping him is advisable but not at the expense of franchising him
^^^ listen to this man ^^^
Has Runyan shown any signs of deteriorating? Slowing up, missing games, getting wind burn as DEs blow by him?
The answer would be "no."
So why aren't the Eagles offering him a contract for infinity billion years?
if it hasnt happened already...it will take less than five minutes for the eagles to find out if runyan is staying or not
ask him how much of this is money compared to staying in philly...its either all about him getting caked off...in which case bye bye...or its about him loving where he and his family are and wanting to stay in the area post retirement and taking less money to do so
but you dont franchise a 33 year old tackle that has mad miles on his odometer...i dont beleive in the franchise tag at all for the most part but if you use it you use on walter jones not john runyan
if anything franchising runyan will piss him off more so than a younger player as this is his last chance to get dollars
its not like the birds would use the tag to bide time while they try to lock him up long term...dook aint getting inked long term no matter what
IGY... I don't think anyone is suggesting that the Eagles should franchise Big Jon without getting his permission first. That would be disasterous.
But knowing the Eagles history, it's pretty certain that a long-term deal isn't going to be forthcoming.
If some other team offers him a signing bonus that is in the same range as the franchise amount would be, where is the harm in him accepting it?
Maybe I'm not seeing this correctly. I don't know.
You're not going to get a player's *permission* to give the franchise tag unless said player is 100% ok with playing under the terms of the 1-year contract. For instance, Charles Woodson made over $10m last year on a franchise tag.
Either way a signing bonus in the same range is preferable to the player, because it's all the cash up-front.
I just don't understand how an informed fan could think that a player like Runyan would be just fine with getting tagged. It doesn't work that way. If you have to tag the player, it means you really want to keep him despite not being able to reach a deal, OR you think someone will trade you for his rights. Neither makes the player happy.
Eagles should rework McNabbs contract to clear some more space to keep Runyan and still sign some UFAs. After all McNabb makes enough with those GOD AWEFUL CRUNKY SOUP COMMERCIALS with his mama.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on February 07, 2006, 04:31:56 PM
Eagles should rework McNabbs contract to clear some more space to keep Runyan and still sign some UFAs. After all McNabb makes enough with those GOD AWEFUL CRUNKY SOUP COMMERCIALS with his mama.
Maybe his mom can play offensive line. Sign Mrs. McNabb!
McNabb's contract is actually pretty cap friendly, compared to say Vick's or Peyton's.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on February 07, 2006, 04:31:56 PM
Eagles should rework McNabbs contract to clear some more space to keep Runyan and still sign some UFAs. After all McNabb makes enough with those GOD AWEFUL CRUNKY SOUP COMMERCIALS with his mama.
McNabb giving up salary to pay Runyan instead of TO is black on black crime man.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 04:12:54 PM
You're not going to get a player's *permission* to give the franchise tag unless said player is 100% ok with playing under the terms of the 1-year contract. For instance, Charles Woodson made over $10m last year on a franchise tag.
Either way a signing bonus in the same range is preferable to the player, because it's all the cash up-front.
I just don't understand how an informed fan could think that a player like Runyan would be just fine with getting tagged. It doesn't work that way. If you have to tag the player, it means you really want to keep him despite not being able to reach a deal, OR you think someone will trade you for his rights. Neither makes the player happy.
You have two choices:
Sign a multi-year deal with bonuses that amount to seven million dollars or sign a one-year deal that is worth a guaranteed seven million dollars.
What is the holy difference? The bottom line is, both teams could release you after the first year without batting an eye.
Also - is Runyan really interested in playing more than another year or two at most? I think he wants a ring and I think he wants to win it in Philly. That's why I don't think he'd object to being tagged.
If a guy thinks he has five good years left, he's going to poop his pants at the tag. Runyan isn't in that category, so why would he care?
You're wrong. And you'll see that you're wrong if Runyan is tagged.
Thankfully, I'm fairly certain the Eagles FO, though maligned of late at times, will not make that mistake.
Yeah, okay.
I'm wrong, you're right.
I was just trying to understand your point of view on this, dude.
Jesus... ::)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 07, 2006, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on February 07, 2006, 04:31:56 PM
Eagles should rework McNabbs contract to clear some more space to keep Runyan and still sign some UFAs. After all McNabb makes enough with those GOD AWEFUL CRUNKY SOUP COMMERCIALS with his mama.
McNabb giving up salary to pay Runyan instead of TO is black on black crime man.
Ahahaha that was freaking great, I needed that after today.
On topic though, what is this stuff about long-term contracts? Hasn't more or less intimated that either this past year or this upcoming year was going to be his last? That being said why wouldn't the Birds just give him base salary (a la Trotter) and give him a large signing bonus?
I agree with Big Ed--they could put the Transition Tag on him instead. That lets other teams sign him to offer sheets and either the Eagles have to match it or get off the pot. Then, he at least would have the best of both worlds per se--he would know that the Eagles would have interest in him enough to give him a transition tag, but not restricitve where he can't talk to other teams.
Sign a multi-year deal with bonuses that amount to seven million dollars or sign a one-year deal that is worth a guaranteed seven million dollars.
What is the holy difference? The bottom line is, both teams could release you after the first year without batting an eye.
its not only about dollars and cents...its about the principle of the whole thing...runyan takes a pay cut for the eaglers and then right before his last big payday the eagles try to limit his money making possibilities by tagging him...no good
also there is a good chance he makes more in sb than a one year franchise tag payment...because the sb can be spread out over years you can make more than if a team has to pay you a top five salary for one year...again it limits the amount of teams that might go after you because any team that is hurting against the cap THIS year will not be able to drop a huge one year salary on their cap...but they might be able to spread a sb over several years and fit you in
Damn, I didn't even think about the transition tag.
I would go that route instead. That way if a team wants him they have to make sure the Eagles can't/won't match it. But since the Birds are in such good cap shape they can do as they please if they see fit.
Tagging starts tomorrow through the 23rd. Anyone know when the tender process starts for RFA's--is it the same dates?
Not sure when the tenders start but I know that date doesn't end until about 10 days before the Draft.
Sign Runyan.
Don't care how. Just farging sign him.
That is all.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 07, 2006, 10:05:49 PM
Yeah, okay.
I'm wrong, you're right.
I was just trying to understand your point of view on this, dude.
Jesus... ::)
Dude. I'd already outlined the reasons I firmly believe that tagging Runyan over and over again. Did you really want be to repeat them again? It's not as if you've given any kind of basis whatsoever that would lead you to believe Runyan would be "cool" with being tagged, and that it is a situation that would work out for the Eagles.
The transition tag might be an option. Doesn't hurt Runyan's open market value much and allows him to shop around. Even so, I still think it could annoy him and cause minor PR issues. Would be WAY better than the franchise tag, though. WAYYYYYYY better.
Transition tag here we come.
Quote from: MURP on February 08, 2006, 04:04:17 PM
Transition tag here we come.
Ha! You're assuming Reid and Heckert actually want to keep a 30+ year old instead of letting young low draft picks/UDFA's get "in the mix" for starting gigs on the offensive line.
C'mon, you can smell the future on this a mile away. Runyan is gone.
I'd love to see Runyan back in an Eagles uniform, but have a feeling the Eagles will look elsewhere. If Tra is back at 100% Herremans MAY be a good fit at RT. I'd hate to have to rely on that but it may be the only option depending on how much interest other teams have in #69. Calvin Armstrong is the way of the future.
"You dumb bastich. Its not a schooner, its a sailboat."
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 08, 2006, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: MURP on February 08, 2006, 04:04:17 PM
Transition tag here we come.
Ha! You're assuming Reid and Heckert actually want to keep a 30+ year old instead of letting young low draft picks/UDFA's get "in the mix" for starting gigs on the offensive line.
C'mon, you can smell the future on this a mile away. Runyan is gone.
I think that Houston may give him a big offer. Calvin Armstrong represent.
a schooner is a sailboat, dummyhead.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on February 08, 2006, 04:59:32 PMCalvin Armstrong is the way of the future.
Holla!
Quote from: MURP on February 08, 2006, 05:21:00 PMCalvin Armstrong represent.
^^^Listen to my stillupfront's mom
MURP and show respect!! ^^^
:sly
Transition tag is fine. Franchise tag is fine. Putting a nine-millimeter against Runyan's temple ala Luca Brazzi and telling him that either his brains or his signature will be on that contract works for me too.
Just get the farger done and let's move on already.
Runyan on WIP this morning in studio saying how much he wants to come back. And Morganti asked him about the $600K paycut he said that is the last card that he'll use as leverage in negotiations.
Um, Jon? Might want to keep that one to yourself buddy. Leverage can't be attained by blabbing about it.
Either way...he needs to be brought back.
Durability = a great thing and he's started 144 in a row.
I don't actually care nearly as much about his durability as I do about his willingness to hit people late, play dirty and generally look for any and every advantage that he can find. Dude needs to be named a captain and tasked with toughening up some of his soft ass soft teammates.
And Morganti asked him about the $600K paycut he said that is the last card that he'll use as leverage in negotiations.
Um, Jon? Might want to keep that one to yourself buddy. Leverage can't be attained by blabbing about it.
he knows he took a paycut the eagles know he took a paycut...hell we have been talking on concrete field about how that is going to be a factor in negotiations....it aint a secret...
if you wanna play you gots to pay....in other words...enjoy playing in dallas jonny
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 09, 2006, 08:41:04 AMUm, Jon? Might want to keep that one to yourself buddy. Leverage can't be attained by blabbing about it.
Leverage is leverage, secret or not. I don't think he hurts himself by acknowledging that he has some leverage/moral authority based on his willlingness to take one for the team. The fact is that he took the pay cut. They can't deny that, or ignore it. What he's saying here--I didn't hear him though, so..--is that he's got that in his pocket to use, if the talks get tight enough that he has to actually remind them of their debt to him.
You all are right.
I wish someone would ask him what his feelings would be about getting FF's favorite franchise tag placed on him. I'd call and ask but I don't want to sit on hold for 37 hours. And its too much to ask for one of those "professional" hosts to ask him on their own, I guess.
agreed phreak...the only two questions i wanna hear
1. will you take (significantly) less to stay in philly
2. what would be your reaction be to getting franchised/transitioned
on a related note i dont think the franchise tag should even be allowed for players over a certain age...to me you franchise players that are young and have their best years ahead of them...your 'franchise' players...if youre 30+ you should not even qualify for a franchise tag
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2006, 09:35:01 AM
agreed phreak...the only two questions i wanna hear
1. will you take (significantly) less to stay in philly
2. what would be your reaction be to getting franchised/transitioned
on a related note i dont think the franchise tag should even be allowed for players over a certain age...to me you franchise players that are young and have their best years ahead of them...your 'franchise' players...if youre 30+ you should not even qualify for a franchise tag
Agreed.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2006, 09:35:01 AM
on a related note i dont think the franchise tag should even be allowed for players over a certain age...to me you franchise players that are young and have their best years ahead of them...your 'franchise' players...if youre 30+ you should not even qualify for a franchise tag
One of the things that I think is being discussed for the CBA.
Franchise Reno, maybe he'll leave then. :yay
JailBird may be on to something.
Quote from: JailBird-man on February 09, 2006, 04:25:49 PM
Franchise Reno, maybe he'll leave then. :yay
does he get franchised as a RB? PR? or Token Mormon?
all three have different cap implications.
IMPLICATIONS!
Token Morman satisfies EEO quotas and the Eagles will get a kickback for that.
reno knows no one else is stupid enough to take his ass. he would welcome the tag all the way to his bank account.
Listened to Adam Kaplan on Eagles Live from yesterday (2/16)...
Says Runyan would be willing to give the Eagles the "hometown discount" in FA ala Trotter, taking as much as 20-25% less than he would get from another team. (This could be true... could be a ploy to drive his price up in the market. Who knows?) Either way, he says he won't wait that long to either stay or leave.
He talked to Herremans, said he's walking around fine, should be fine for the post-draft MC. Thinks if Runyan comes back, Herremans could challenge Hicks at LG. (Never thought about that, but I like the sound of it.) If not, thinks he'll go to RT.
He's probably speculating, just like everyone else... but interesting talk anyway.
Hicks shouldn't be starting, he proved that last year, he's a very good utility backup, but not a starter. that's why Hutchinson would be a great addition, but he's gonna be too expensive i'm sure. Herremans at guard? not a bad thought, Welbourn was a pretty good guard while here.
Thomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
Sold.
Even though I like Adrien Clarke, I'll take that OL anyday.
They better get to gettin' on signing Runyan. If he said he'll take a hometown discount then they better not let him walk like that dumbass Wade did with Wagner when he said he would take a hometown discount.
Bringing up the Phillies in an Eagles-related thread is a violation of the terms of service of the CB.
See you in two weeks.
:-*
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 17, 2006, 09:13:12 AM
Thomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
Sold.
I'll take that OL anyday.
Sold on hunny-buns out at center? Remember recent history w/guys named Jamaal staying healthy in Philly not so good. I think Jamaal is an upgrade, but I don't know where the brass stands. I do know he has more Chunky soup ads than Jackson.
honeybuns could still be the backup for now.
Quote
Thomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
That would be a surprisingly solid line, I think. With Hicks and Honeybuns and Clarke backing up. not too shabby. Don't worry, they'll farg it up.
QuoteThomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
There's a whole lot of meat on that line. Nice, physical o-line perfectly suited for backpedaling 35-45 times a game.
Reid loves those false start penalties. That means he has to resort to more pass plays and abandon the run.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 17, 2006, 10:30:53 AM
QuoteThomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
There's a whole lot of meat on that line. Nice, physical o-line perfectly suited for backpedaling 35-45 times a game.
Runyan will get nothing more than a lowball offer.
Just as Vincent & Taylor were displaced by Sheppard and Brown, Tra & Runyan's time here is about to end (even tho I think Tra may last one more season since he is playing with a dirt cheap contract...relatively speaking for a good LT): this organization doesn't hang on to players past their expiration date. Youth is always served first.
And considering that the draft outlay for Shawn Andrews was as great as it was for both Sheppard and Brown (recall, it cost both a first and a second rounder to get him); I'd say the favorite to be the starter at RT would be Big Boy.
I doubt he goes to RT.
Spads has been saying a lot recently that he sees Andrews at RG. He usually has some kind of basis when putting stuff like that out there.
If Runyan leaves and they do not draft an OT in round 1 then our new RT will be Todd Herremans.
The question is--when he says he'll give the Eagles a 25% hometown discount, does he mean according to his OLD contract, when he was due to make 5.5M, or the NEW one, where he made 4.9M including the guaranteed 2M bonus? That means he'd be willing to sign for anywhere from 3.2M to 4.5M for 1 year (approx).
20-25% less than his best offer.
It's a damn shame he's going to go somewhere else.
No way Andrews goes to RT. He's even having trouble keeping his weight (which he can't) at G. If Runyan goes and we don't draft someone capable this year, Todd will probably step in at RT. The better farging resign Runyan though.
Like I said earlier... ever since the thought popped up of Herremans stepping in at LG (as long as Runyan comes back) and pushing Hicks back to 6-man... that's what I want to see. Add in Jackson in place of Fraley and you've got a physical o-line that can be just nasty. Then maybe, just maybe... Andy will be inspired to actually run the ball in short yardage situations.
You're high again, aren't you? Andy run. Ha.
Running is only demanded during practice. Other than that it's pass-crazy whacky air-it-out football with no receivers.
I know running the ball is a wierd concept... but it just may be crazy enough to work.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 19, 2006, 08:32:32 PM
I know running the ball is a wierd concept... but it just may be crazy enough to work.
Are you saying that there is some kind of disproportionate tendencies towards the pass? I can't tell from your posts. ;)
Quote from: Beermonkey on February 19, 2006, 09:39:15 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 19, 2006, 08:32:32 PM
I know running the ball is a wierd concept... but it just may be crazy enough to work.
Are you saying that there is some kind of disproportionate tendencies towards the pass? I can't tell from your posts. ;)
I wouldn't say that... I'd just say that we pass the ball too farging much.
We could punt more ...
One can only take so much Dirk Johnson.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 19, 2006, 10:15:19 PM
We could punt more ...
Well, if Scramblin' McMahon wouldn't throw so damned many interceptions, maybe they would have.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 11:22:19 AM
Abraham could get the tag again (http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1139292614267780.xml&coll=1)
QuoteThe one-year, franchise tender offer for a defensive end this season is $8.3 million. Clubs can place the franchise tag on players from Feb. 9 through Feb. 23. Should the Jets put the tag on Abraham, they will have paid him nearly $15 million over two years without having a long-term deal.
Abraham's agents, Tony Agnone and Rich Rosa, were unavailable for comment yesterday. Bradway doesn't discuss contract matters.
"The Jets said they would take care of John if he stayed healthy but there have been no talks," said the person. "John's camp feels that the Jets have lied to him and it's personal. They feel Terry Bradway and (assistant GM) Mike Tannenbaum just don't like John. They didn't draft him, and they just don't think he's a great player and they don't want to pay him.
"Plus, they have all that money tied up into Chad Pennington ($22 million over the past two seasons) and he may not even pass his physical this spring. Now, they're scared to pay John."
Last season, Abraham had 70 tackles, 10 1/2 sacks, six forced fumbles (all on quarterback strips) and one fumble recovery.
He played in nearly 85 percent of the defensive snaps and improved his play against the run after bulking up to 265 pounds.
Entering last season, Abraham hadn't played an entire 16-game schedule since 2002 and the Jets used that as leverage in not signing him to a long-term deal.
Signing Abraham to a long-term deal would figure to be a priority for new head coach Eric Mangini, who is expected to employ a base 3-4 defense with the flexibility of using multiple fronts.
Abraham said last season that he would skip training camp again if the Jets put the franchise tag on him and he wouldn't be happy when he reported.
If the Jets slap Abraham with the franchise tag, they may try to trade him and one destination could be San Diego in a deal for quarterback Philip Rivers, especially with former Chargers quarterback coach Brian Schottenheimer having been hired as the Jets new offensive coordinator.
I was thinking about this yesterday and the thought came to me: why not trade TO for Abraham straight up?
Quote from: General_Failure on February 19, 2006, 08:22:02 PM
Running is only demanded during practice. Other than that it's pass-crazy whacky air-it-out football with no receivers.
No receivers?! You must have forgotten Pinkston will be back!
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 20, 2006, 09:29:20 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on February 19, 2006, 08:22:02 PM
Running is only demanded during practice. Other than that it's pass-crazy whacky air-it-out football with no receivers.
No receivers?! You must have forgotten Pinkston will be back!
Not to mention that Wilbur is coming around!
Great. Let me know if they're bringing receivers with them.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 20, 2006, 01:39:13 PM
Great. Let me know if they're bringing receivers with them.
Lots! Look:
(http://www.goldenretrieverclub.nl/images/retrievers00.jpg)
Oh, nuts. You said
receivers, not retrievers.
There's lots of receivers down on Broad Street after 10PM.
I'm nominating Geo for the worst post ever.
i second that nomination
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 20, 2006, 04:45:10 PM
There's lots of receivers down on Broad Street after 10PM.
Is that why it's called "Broad" street? :paranoid
Wow, you're really on a roll there, dude.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 20, 2006, 04:46:19 PM
I'm nominating Geo for the worst post ever.
And here's the runner up.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 20, 2006, 04:47:34 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 20, 2006, 04:45:10 PM
There's lots of receivers down on Broad Street after 10PM.
Is that why it's called "Broad" street? :paranoid
At least I'll win something, darn it!
Don't get cocky. You've only been nominated.
In his defense, he's only planning on wimming.
Interestimg poimt.
micely dome.
You guys are dunb.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 20, 2006, 06:14:38 PM
micely dome.
This is making me laugh. I'm not sure if it's because he extended my joke and I think I'm pretty hilarious, or if the image of a mouse getting dome is just too funny to leave alone...
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 20, 2006, 06:03:28 PM
In his defense, he's only planning on wimming.
:-D
Thanks for kicking a guy when he's down, LinkBoy.
I'm just taking after this guy:
(http://www.schacht.net/miriam/images/pbride02.jpeg)
"Mawwiage!"
It's Bawbwa's fawther!
Quotes | Team will let Runyan shop around; but will he be back?
Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:47:34 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Philadelphia Eagles apparently will allow OT Jon Runyan to shop around in the free-agent market to see what he's worth and then decide if they want to bring him back. Runyan is on record as saying he has not heard from the Eagles about a new contract since the season ended on New Year's Day. "A lot of people need a right tackle," Runyan told the Delaware County Daily Times. "And, by the looks of it, the Eagles are going to need one. I don't know what they're going to do. I haven't heard from them." It is possible that the Eagles will use their first-round pick on an offensive lineman. If the Eagles decide they can part with Runyan, it will be a huge risk and the end of an era along the offensive line. Runyan was the Eagles' first significant free agent signing of the Andy Reid era.
The fact that Jeff Backus got the FT is another reason why I am not feeling good about Runyan coming back. He is the cream of the crop out there at OT.
They need to re-sign him. And what'll likely happen is he'll get somewhere and they won't let him leave until they blow him away with an offer and then the Eagles are up a creek.
If that article is factual, he's gone. He'll get a bigger offer somewhere else for sure. And that really sucks. :(
So long, Runyan! Wish you the best and all...
Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous. I know nothing has happened yet, but we have other areas to address already. This is just creating an extra hole to fill that we don't have the resources to fill. We already need defensive linemen, linebackers, a receiver.
This team...
because I have no memory after some scotchy scotch scotch.... how many players have the Eagles let test FA and then re-signed to a deal? gotta be somebody. :paranoid
Trotter?
Simon?
yeah I suppose Trotter did make the rounds last year. That was quite the story at that time with KC involved and all. Im thinkin Keith Adams and Jon Ritchie were also FA's who re-signed last year even if Ritchie never made the final 53.
The Eagles are a successful organization and I respect them a lot, but one thing I never understood is why they always lose their own players to replace them. It just creates another need.
Look, maybe they have a plan in place. Maybe they'll still re-sign Runyan or sign Hutchinson or, I don't know. But, the possibility also remains that the money to replace Runyan could've gone to a player like a defensive lineman which we desperately need. Instead it may be spent on replacing our own player, who we could easily keep.
The Texans desperately need an OT, and if he goes to Houston he's gone. Dammit, why?
Yeah well, it's not fargin' likely he stays. About as likely as it is the Eagles will trade TO before they have to cut him.
He's going to get PAID.
the only rational thought is that they honestly think Herremans can take over RT and that Tra will be healthy and fine at LT. Only reason to let Runyan walk.
or the one thing we have never discussed but has run through my head lately... that this team this year is being "re-built" and isnt really a superbowl contender. Thats a thought for down the road though. A lot of FA ahead.
Quote from: MURP on February 23, 2006, 10:20:57 PM
they honestly think Herremans can take over RT and that Tra will be healthy and fine at LT.
If so..how rational a thought is it that?
Quote from: Diomedes on February 23, 2006, 10:25:58 PM
Quote from: MURP on February 23, 2006, 10:20:57 PM
they honestly think Herremans can take over RT and that Tra will be healthy and fine at LT.
If so..how rational a thought is it that?
I have no idea, but we are about to find out. :paranoid
I would never begrudge the Eagles for paying a guy like Runyan. I figure they won't. I think it's a mistake. Oh well. Life goes on.
On a happy note, the Armstrong household is buzzing with chatter about Calvin's increased prospects for playing time. :yay
I just hope Brookover is talking out his ass.
F
Let me clarify. I don't F'ing want Runyan to sign anywhere else and if he does it immediately weakens the team.
Quote from: MURP on February 23, 2006, 10:11:59 PM
because I have no memory after some scotchy scotch scotch.... how many players have the Eagles let test FA and then re-signed to a deal? gotta be somebody. :paranoid
Trotter and Adams last year. They've been burned on a couple of instances, where the player has told them he'd let them match whatever was offered--
Both Hugh and Shawn Barber in 2003--although I'm convinced that Barber never intended to re-sign with the Eagles. They had supposedly agreed to a contract extension after the Eagles lost their second NFCCG final--and then just before he was supposed to sign it, Barber backed out--and went to KC and signed the first day of FA.
However, maybe they plan to swing Artis Hicks outside or Herremans. Really, no one knows what they'll do until the 3rd comes around. But at 32, can you really blame them if they don't throw big money at him. As fans, we're not privvy to what kind of discussions are going on--suppose his agent is asking for a 4 year, 25M contract--especially when a mediocre talent like Backus gets franchised by the Lions--that's 6.93M--now, are we saying that Backus is better than Runyan--because the Lions' QBs spent A LOT of time on their backs the last 2 seasons.
Maybe this means they trade up for the 'Brick? Ha. Right. Are there really any other decent tackles in the draft (other that Ferguson) that could come in right away and make an impact, let alone take over for Runyan? I don't think there is in FA. They have to think Herremans has what it takes. This is farging awful. farg rebuilding.....McNabb, Dawkins, Trotter & Co. aren't getting any younger.....
If Runyan does walk there are three guys I want playing RT:
Todd Herremans
Marcus McNeill
Or D'Brickashaw Ferguson, but thats too much to hope for. He could slip to 6th or 7th though and if he does they better trade up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 24, 2006, 07:45:42 AM
If Runyan does walk there are three guys I want playing RT:
Todd Herremans
Marcus McNeill
Or D'Brickashaw Ferguson, but thats too much to hope for. He could slip to 6th or 7th though and if he does they better trade up.
I'd be all about them bringing in McNeill, but not to start right away. I think of those two Herremans is the best option, although that doesn't mean he's going to be all that good. I think Herremans will eventually be a serious mauler along the line here in Philly, but I think his second year may be a little early to fill the RT role for the season. Based on what I saw of Herremans last year, he could surprise, and be extremely solid all year, but it is a bit much to expect that from the kid. I hope the FO has a plan that doesn't involve this.
In the long term, losing Runyan may work out, just like letting Bobby and Troy work out. Herremans may start this year at RT, they draft a LT with their 1st round pick to replace Tra next year. But for this year, this move will weaken the offense. The RT position will have been downgraded, thus they will need to keep LJ in more to block, which in turn will cut down on his development and it will leave McNabb with one less weapon on some passing plays.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 24, 2006, 08:44:24 AMThe RT position will have been downgraded, thus they will need to keep LJ in more to block, which in turn will cut down on his development and it will leave McNabb with one less weapon on some passing plays.
Westbrook blocks better than LJ. If they're counting on LJ to help the RT out more often, they should bank an extra 5 sacks on the year.
If Herremans can hold his own at LT like he did last year, shouldn't he also be able to function well as a RT? I don't really think that the fat boy should be a tackle unless he can stop being so goddamned fat and that he has the ability to really be good as a guard for a long time. If Runyan goes I would hope that Herremans would be able to step in there and not Andrews, but what the farg do I know?
I've seen a lot of mock drafts that have the Eagles taking Joe Klopfenstein later in the draft at TE. He is supposed to be a pretty solid blocker, and is real big. But even the best blocking TE won't hide that the side of the line is going to be considerably more weak minus Runyan.
If Runyans goes the line is definitely going to be weaker, but something like this was inevitable. You can't draft 47 offensive linemen in three years and expect the old heads to stick around. I would love to have him back. He's durable and mean and solid all around and is one of the few guys who stands out as a do anything to win player. But the team has repeatedly drafted offensive linemen to develop and I guess this may be their time. Frustrating.
I pulled up Herreman's analysis from last year's draft. Looks like he has all the physical tools, but a lot of scouts felt he needed more coaching. Reminds a lot of Runyan came out in '96, although Runyan came out as a junior. Interesting useless fact: They were both selected in the fourth round of their repspective drafts, six picks apart.
Herreman's Analysis:
Quote
OVERVIEW
Herremans is a towering offensive tackle with a large wingspan that he uses very well to stave off the outside pass rush. He is a steady, competitive player with experience at both left and right tackle during his career with the Cardinals. He was a member of a senior class that amassed a four-year record of 39-9, including a 34-6 record in Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletics Conference play, both marks ranking second all-time among Saginaw Valley State senior classes.
Herremans received all-state honors in football at Ravenna High School, where his father, Paul, served as one of his coaches. He served as senior class vice president. Herremans also lettered in basketball and track. He moved into the starting lineup at weakside offensive tackle, earning team Most Valuable Freshman honors in 2001 at Saginaw Valley, where the team compiled an 11-2 record.
Herremans was bothered at midseason with a right knee sprain that forced him to miss three games in 2002. He was a first-team all-region choice as a junior, starting 12 games. He opened the season at right tackle in 2003, but upon returning from a left shoulder sprain that forced him to miss the Indianapolis contest, he switched to the more demanding left tackle position. In 2004, Herremans garnered All-America honors as he lined up at left tackle in every game, allowing only two quarterback sacks for the season.
ANALYSIS
Positives: Has a big, thick frame with broad shoulders, long arms, good bubble, thick thighs ... Has the potential to carry at least another 15 pounds on his frame with no loss in quickness ... Above-average athlete who has decent balance, adequate quickness and agility along with good playing speed ... Good worker in the weight room and can take hard coaching ... Uses his size well to gain position and could possibly be an effective guard because of his ability to pull and hit a moving target ... Uses his long reach to hold off the pass rusher working on the edge ... Gets good hand placement to lock-on and steer ... Has good field awareness, quickly picking up games and blitzes ... Has the natural strength and size to sustain and shows just enough foot agility to slide with ease over a small area in pass protection ... Has good straight-line speed and when he stays low in his pads, he will utilize that quickness to drive the defender off the ball ... Understands blocking assignments well and can make quick adjustments to the defensive schemes ... Showed marked improvement in 2004, playing with more aggression ... Showed better explosion off the snap in 2004 than he did in previous seasons, demonstrating much better leg drive to knock defenders off the ball.
Negatives: Needs to add more muscle tone and bulk to his frame ... Lacks hip flexibility and appears stiff ... When he bends at the waist, he tends to lose balance, but he needs to play taller in order to generate better knee bend ... Falls off some blocks when he keeps his base too narrow ... Needs to be quicker in getting his hands up and into the defender's chest when coming off the snap ... Crosses his feet a bit when trying to run block and this becomes more evident when working in space, as he lets his hands get outside of his frame which prevents him from neutralizing the linebackers ... Has shown better aggression than in the past, but still lacks that nasty streak you look for in a left tackle ... In the run game, he has decent initial quickness off the ball, but when he is used to pull, he does not show good agility on the move and struggles to execute his blocks in space as well ... When he waist bends, he will over-reach on his angle blocks and will struggle vs. even decent speed off the edge, resulting in him having to chase the defensive end.
That last bit has me slightly worried, but again, a lot of his negatives sound like they could be coached out. WOuld be cool to see if Herremans' and Umenyiora eventually got to the point where they have battles like Strahan and Runyan do.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 24, 2006, 11:27:27 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 24, 2006, 08:44:24 AMThe RT position will have been downgraded, thus they will need to keep LJ in more to block, which in turn will cut down on his development and it will leave McNabb with one less weapon on some passing plays.
Westbrook blocks better than LJ. If they're counting on LJ to help the RT out more often, they should bank an extra 5 sacks on the year.
An extra five per game.
L.J. is a super blocker, and the team would be crazy to even consider drafting a TE early. CRAZY, I SAY!
Everyone knows that LJ can't block. but he CAN catch. So why spend a high pick on someone who will want and expect (rightfully) to be THE GUY at TE when really he'll be one-of-the-two-guys and will be called on for his blocking far more than the other guy?
The team can get a blocking TE who can also catch without spending a first rounder. If the team is looking for 'weapons' as opposed to 'players who actually fill a huge need' I would hope that they would go with a WR or RB, even if VD is a physical freak.
Put Vernon at RB and pound it up the middle every down. Hard-nosed football.
the highest pick youd ever spend on a blocking tight end would be a 3rd...and that might be pushing it
I don't think anyone actually wants Davis....they just like yelling "Get VD!"
Quote from: Zanshin on February 27, 2006, 01:03:17 PM
I don't think anyone actually wants Davis....they just like yelling "Get VD!"
Was it that apparent?
Sadly.
Draft a TE high in the draft and move LJ to slot receiver.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 27, 2006, 01:03:17 PM
I don't think anyone actually wants Davis....they just like yelling "Get VD!"
Why would anyone want the Eagles to get Vick? Oh snap! Zing. Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.! p\/\/n3d! Die. Burn.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2006, 06:58:09 PM
Why would anyone want the Eagles to get Vick? Oh snap! Zing. Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.! p\/\/n3d! Die. Burn.
I'm kind of close to laughing at this. You're getting better Sarge.
FWIW...
Runyan was on DNL today briefly and said basically that he has spoken to the Eagles but not about a contract. There has beenno contract discussions yet because he doesn't think they know what they want to do yet because of this CBA mess. He said another reason why they haven't spoken yet is because they don't know what his market value is going to be.
He said that he thinks that they would use him wanting o be here so badly as a little bit of leverage but in the end the best deal wins for the most part. He said his wife has to OK the deal as well but either way they are staying here to live.
Said that a hometown discount would probably be given and that he plans on taking any offer her receives back to them to see if they can work something out.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2006, 08:26:00 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2006, 06:58:09 PM
Why would anyone want the Eagles to get Vick? Oh snap! Zing. Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.! p\/\/n3d! Die. Burn.
I'm kind of close to laughing at this. You're getting better Sarge.
You want to laugh at it. You know you do. You're just bottling it all up like you always do. Never expressing your true emotions. It's ok. I understand.
QuoteBroncos | Lepsis' deal worth $25 million
Fri, 3 Mar 2006 06:13:33 -0800
Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the four-year contract signed by Denver Broncos OT Matt Lepsis will pay him $25 million over the life of the contract and will earn $9 million in 2006, including option and roster bonuses.
Lepsis = 32 years old
Runyan = 32 years old
He is the only OT who has been signed so far other than CHI backup John St. Clair. And Lepsis is a LT, a position who generally gets paid more than a RT.
So the market has somewhat been set by this deal. Obviously it'll change a bit when/if the CBA is extended but the scrooges counting beans in NFL FO's will point and nod towards this deal when talking to Runyan's agent.
Does this mean he'll be back? Doubtful. But it's still something to keep an eye on.
OK... at the risk of sounding TATERiffic, with the extra $10 mill on the books, do we make the O-line impregnable and keep Runyan in town?
Thomas
Jackson
Bentley
Andrews
Runyan
We keep the bookend tackles, and we'd have a helluva insurance policy for Tra in Herremans. Add in Hicks, Clarke and Armstrong off the bench... golden.
^^^^exactly my thoughts, there is no reason NOT to keep Runyan
are there any OT's out there who would be an upgrade (better than runyan)?
Quote from: hunt on March 09, 2006, 09:31:59 AM
are there any OT's out there who would be an upgrade (better than runyan)?
All factors considered? Not really.
imagine if we got hutchinson too. i know it won't happen but a thomas, hutchinson, bentley, andrews, runyan line is pretty disgusting. and we still wouldn't run the ball.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 09, 2006, 10:50:36 AM
imagine if we got hutchinson too. i know it won't happen but a thomas, hutchinson, bentley, andrews, runyan line is pretty disgusting. and we still wouldn't run the ball.
That line would have to be considered the best in the league. I mean, when you can argue that Tra Thomas is the least reliable blocker you have, wood.
Yeah, then we go out and get Abraham, Edge, trade for Antonio Gates, bring in Drew Brees and Culpepper as backups.
That would totally rock.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 09, 2006, 11:00:40 AM
Yeah, then we go out and get Abraham, Edge, trade for Antonio Gates, bring in Drew Brees and Culpepper as backups.
That would totally rock.
funney.
Douchbag John Clark on NBC10:
- Spoke to Runyan tonight and he has NO visits lined up
- Wants to come back to Philadelphia
So the market isn't there for Big Jon. I am starting to get a little more positive about him returning.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2006, 06:58:09 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on February 27, 2006, 01:03:17 PM
I don't think anyone actually wants Davis....they just like yelling "Get VD!"
Why would anyone want the Eagles to get Vick? Oh snap! Zing. Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.! p\/\/n3d! Die. Burn.
Vick already has VD
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 12, 2006, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2006, 06:58:09 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on February 27, 2006, 01:03:17 PM
I don't think anyone actually wants Davis....they just like yelling "Get VD!"
Why would anyone want the Eagles to get Vick? Oh snap! Zing. Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.! p\/\/n3d! Die. Burn.
Vick already has VD
You don't say...
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 12, 2006, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2006, 06:58:09 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on February 27, 2006, 01:03:17 PM
I don't think anyone actually wants Davis....they just like yelling "Get VD!"
Why would anyone want the Eagles to get Vick? Oh snap! Zing. Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.! p\/\/n3d! Die. Burn.
Vick already has VD
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 13, 2006, 12:04:22 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 12, 2006, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2006, 06:58:09 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on February 27, 2006, 01:03:17 PM
I don't think anyone actually wants Davis....they just like yelling "Get VD!"
Why would anyone want the Eagles to get Vick? Oh snap! Zing. Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.! p\/\/n3d! Die. Burn.
Vick already has VD
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I'm not clear on what he's getting at either ???
Eagles | Team discussing re-signing Runyan
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:02:04 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are still discussing the idea of re-signing free agent OT Jon Runyan (Eagles). Runyan is going to be on vacation until Saturday, March
:yay
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 13, 2006, 01:10:33 AM
Eagles | Team discussing re-signing Runyan
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:02:04 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are still discussing the idea of re-signing free agent OT Jon Runyan (Eagles). Runyan is going to be on vacation until Saturday, March
To hell with discussing... get to re-signing.
full blurb from Philly.com:
QuoteA return for Runyan? Along the offensive line, the Eagles are still discussing the idea of re-signing right tackle Jon Runyan, who had a visit of his own scheduled for this morning.
"I'm leaving the country," he said. "But my flight connects in Charlotte, so maybe people will be talking about me going" to the Carolina Panthers.
Runyan is going to be on vacation until Saturday and said he did not have any visits scheduled with other NFL teams.
"Make the offer first, and then I'll come visit," he said. "I'm not sure I'm going to make any visits."
As for the Eagles' decision not to make an offer before the start of free agency, Runyan admitted that he would have liked them to handle things differently, but he didn't expect it.
"You'd like it, but you know that's not their style," he said. "You've seen many guys go through that and walk out the door and move on. They've had quarrels about it, but I'm not about to do anything like that. It's not worth all the emotional strain that takes."
Runyan, 32, said he appreciates fans' getting upset that after taking a pay cut last season, he now finds himself in limbo with the team. But the giant tackle is every bit as unflappable as he is reliable when it comes to lining up to play on game day.
"I can see where people are coming from," Runyan said. "But that's how [the Eagles] conduct their business. It's not a popular way of doing things, but if you're going to be around them, you have to deal with it. Some people go out of their way to take care of the players, but this is a business."
with Bentley and Hutchinson out of the picture I think re-signing Runyan is a top priority if they want McNabb to stay alive this season.
CSN reported that Runyan was supposed to meet with the Eagles today.
FWIW
Odd, since philly.com said he left the country today.
Unless the Eagles called and said "Hey come in to talk" and he did it. He can always reschedule the flight.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 13, 2006, 07:57:02 PM
CSN reported that Runyan was supposed to meet with the Eagles today.
FWIW
I meet with people every day and never see any of them in person.
He could have fielded a call or had his agent do it.
There is absolutely zero excuse not to re-sign Runyan.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 13, 2006, 07:57:02 PM
CSN reported that Runyan was supposed to meet with the Eagles today.
FWIW
interesting, since Runyan said he wouldnt meet with anyone until they made an offer. ;)
Good point.
I was reading the other NFL cities papers today and the only one who metioned Runyan was TB's paper (St Pete Times, I think). And they are running OT's in and out of Tampa faster than dudes going through a whorehouse on nickle night.
Tom Ashworth
Brad Hopkins
Jason Fabini
They said Runyan was known to be beaten by edge rushers and that might not be good since Simms is a lefty.
Lookin good for us. But I ain't holding my breath
we absolutley must re-sign Runyan.
Hey, why all the Herremans hating. >:(
I'm joking, get Runyan signed.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 14, 2006, 08:30:24 AM
Hey, why all the Herremans hating. >:(
I'm joking, get Runyan signed.
Wost manneans would play LG if Runyan is re-signed. At least, I believe so.
Thomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
Herremans is a little tall to play guard, in my opinion. Will be tougher for Donovan to find throwing lanes.
I'd rather see Clarke in there.
you really think herremans could play guard phreak?
i dont see it...hes a prototypical tackle imo
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 08:39:32 AM
you really think herremans could play guard phreak?
i dont see it...hes a prototypical tackle imo
It didn't even cross my mind until I read an interview with Heckert where he said that he could play G and they would consider playing him there because they really want him on the field. And I thik that Castillo could make him a good LG until its time to cut Tra after 2006.
He's 6'6
Hutch is 6'5
so thats not to big of a diff
Well, I'm just excited to see Clarke and Herremans get in the mix there and compete.
i think herremans is 6-7...check him next to tra if you can find a pic or at camp this year
and at the guard position 6-5 to 6-6 much less 6-7 is a big jump...its not like at another position where one inch doesnt make much of a difference
herremans also seems to have long ass arms..longer than hutch
heckert certainly knows more about him than i...maybe he can make that jump but i dont see it
Don't sleep on Scott Young!
Isn't Donovan 6'5"? Guards bend at the knees and hips to block. He should be able to see over them just fine to find passing lanes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 08:50:03 AM
i think herremans is 6-7...check him next to tra if you can find a pic or at camp this year
and at the guard position 6-5 to 6-6 much less 6-7 is a big jump...its not like at another position where one inch doesnt make much of a difference
herremans also seems to have long ass arms..longer than hutch
heckert certainly knows more about him than i...maybe he can make that jump but i dont see it
:o
Looks like it's time to start livin' right. :paranoid
Isn't Donovan 6'5"? Guards bend at the knees and hips to block. He should be able to see over them just fine to find passing lanes.
its not about the qb dook
its about being to tall and open to play guard...guards need that thickness pure strength and compactability
Yeah, but the long arms can help keep the defenders off of him and not allow the DTs to get in his space. Its all about technique and if he can translate it from T to G. I think he can. Either way -- he's keepin it warm for Clarke in 2007.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 08:50:03 AM
i think herremans is 6-7...check him next to tra if you can find a pic or at camp this year
and at the guard position 6-5 to 6-6 much less 6-7 is a big jump...its not like at another position where one inch doesnt make much of a difference
herremans also seems to have long ass arms..longer than hutch
heckert certainly knows more about him than i...maybe he can make that jump but i dont see it
He's listed at 6-6 (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=26882), Thomas at 6-7.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2006, 09:05:32 AM
Either way -- he's keepin it warm for Clarke in 2007.
That's retarded. Clarke, for all intents and purposes, has basically the same amount of experience as Herremans. If Clarke's the best option for LG, then he should be playing it in 2006. I don't want anyone keeping anything "warm" for anyone, if it can be avoided.
Yeah, but the long arms can help keep the defenders off of him
but thats much more difficult to do at guard where the guy is right over your grill piece on every play and you have to power engage on most plays...you cant back up at guard and take the time to extend your arms out on a dt...hell be under and thru you before you have the chance
Not retarded at all.
Herremans is a better player right now than Clarke, IMO. I think Clarke needs one more year under his belt before he is a full timer. You put you best 5 guys out there if possible. And in this situation it is possible.
He's listed at 6-6, Thomas at 6-7.
and?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 14, 2006, 08:38:30 AM
Herremans is a little tall to play guard, in my opinion. Will be tougher for Donovan to find throwing lanes.
I'd rather see Clarke in there.
herreemans is 1 inch taller.
i hardly think that makes much of a difference
besides, i am certian they are not exactly 6-5 and 6-6...a fraction in the middle there
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 09:16:14 AM
He's listed at 6-6, Thomas at 6-7.
and?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 08:50:03 AM
i think herremans is 6-7...check him next to tra if you can find a pic or at camp this year
and at the guard position 6-5 to 6-6 much less 6-7 is a big jump...its not like at another position where one inch doesnt make much of a difference
herremans also seems to have long ass arms..longer than hutch
heckert certainly knows more about him than i...maybe he can make that jump but i dont see it
Quote from: Wingspan on March 14, 2006, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 14, 2006, 08:38:30 AM
Herremans is a little tall to play guard, in my opinion. Will be tougher for Donovan to find throwing lanes.
I'd rather see Clarke in there.
herreemans is 1 inch taller.
i hardly think that makes much of a difference
I wasn't just referring to his height, but also his style of play. He plays tall, like a tackle.
im saying ive seen him next to tra and he is at least as tall
Quote from: Wingspan on March 14, 2006, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 14, 2006, 08:38:30 AM
Herremans is a little tall to play guard, in my opinion. Will be tougher for Donovan to find throwing lanes.
I'd rather see Clarke in there.
herreemans is 1 inch taller.
i hardly think that makes much of a difference
taller o-linemen would force mcnabb to release the ball slightly higher, thereby reducing the number of wormburners he throws.
get bol!
Anyone hear this on NFL Network:
A poster on the EMB said that it was mentioned on the NFL-N that the Birds could be bringing Runyan back on a 2-yr deal? I haven't watched Total Access in afew days so I don't know how much truth, if any, there is to this.
A 2 year deal would be perfect, no reason this shouldn't get done.
I'll believe it when I ... okay I won't see it. That would mean turning on ESPN or something. So I'll wait until I see pictures from the press conference, then I'll believe it.
Get him signed ASAP. Then move on to SAM.
At first, I thought you wrote "Get him signed ASAP. Then move him to SAM."
Ha!
Oh good, I'm not the only one that read it that way.
He always seems to stay healthy, why can't he play both?
For starters, he's not dumb enough to play LB for the Eagles.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 20, 2006, 08:43:25 AM
For starters, he's not dumb enough to play LB for the Eagles.
playing LB for the eagles may be the easiest job in the NFL.
I don't know what's taking them so long to sign Runyan. No scheduled visits, both the player and the team want him back, the contract should be banged out by now.
Isn't he still out of the country?
Runyan doesn't seem to be in any rush. He's not visiting other teams, or talking with any others as far as I have read, so I'm not sure there's anything to be anxious about.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 19, 2006, 03:42:13 PM
Get him signed ASAP. Then move on to SAM.
Runyan is a lineman. I doubt he could play at linebacker.
*edit-damn the last post on a page making me unable to realize my jokes are old hat.
Well, here's some decent news:
QuoteShawn Andrews looked fit and trim -- relatively speaking -- on Monday. I'll get a chance to speak with him in a day or so to get an update. Andrews, in his first year as a starter, was a Pro Bowl alternate last year. The sky is the limit for this kid. Good start for the offensive line, in fact. Everybody on the line was in on Monday.
Everyone except Runyan, he meant.
:P
I was unaware that he was out of the country.
les bowen was just on dnl and said he spoke with big jon today...runyan said he & the eagles are talking...even more than they were a week ago.
Alright, that does it. I've got to know. What the farg is the deal with your sig, hunt?
It's the whole chick/rabbit dichotomy, Dio.
What hunt is saying, if chicks and rabbits can speak respectfully to one another, why can't we?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 20, 2006, 06:50:35 PM
It's the whole chick/rabbit dichotomy, Dio.
What hunt is saying, if chicks and rabbits can speak respectfully to one another, why can't we?
thanks for handling this one, romey...i thought my sig was obvious but this is the 2nd time i've been asked about it.
CSN reported that Runyan is visting the JETS tomorrow night.
But that his agent and the Eagles are talking contract too.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 07:03:39 PMCSN reported that Runyan is visting the JETS tomorrow night.
Well, at least he'd be out of the conference. If the Eagles fail to re-sign him, I'll be mad.
killedhisnephew99BIH, thanks for the tip. Of those two, I'm the wolf.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 07:03:39 PM
CSN reported that Runyan is visting the JETS tomorrow night.
But that his agent and the Eagles are talking contract too.
farging wonderful.
Isn't it great, the Eagles have so much cap room. They're the Gold Standard!!
He won't sign with the Jets.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 20, 2006, 07:10:59 PM
He won't sign with the Jets.
Why on earth not? They've got money. NYC isn't far from Philly. Of course he would sign with them.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 20, 2006, 07:10:59 PM
He won't sign with the Jets.
They give him the money, he'll sign with them. His (probably) last payday, and he won't have to move his whole family to play for the NJ Jets.
Eagles better pony up some of Scrooge McBanner's gold stash.
The Jets are going to suck ass next year and probably for a couple years after that.
Why would Runyan sign with them if he's only playing for a Ring at this point? He's got more money than he could ever spend already.
Chances are, the Eagles told him to visit the Jets and find out what they're willing to pay him. The Eagles can and will match any deal the Jets can offer.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 20, 2006, 07:15:20 PM
Why would Runyan sign with them if he's only playing for a Ring at this point? He's got more money than he could ever spend already.
People that are hanging on to this idea that athletes play for anything other than money aren't paying attention. There are the rare couple of course, but they are the minority.
Plus, what on earth would convince Runyan that he has a better chance of winning a championship with the Eagles than he does with any other team? This organization hasn't won a championship in 46 years. They went 6-10 last year. They are showing no interest in drastically upgrading the team. That doesn't indicate an imminent championship to me.
I'm not saying he wouldn't sign with them, I'm saying he's not going to. The Eagles will ante up.
He's staying in Philly fellas, relax.
I think Dogra is using the Jets to push the Eagles into action...
Exactly, Phreak.
@ rjs... he basically said last year that his sole reason for playing at this point was the chance to win a Super Bowl ring. Philly gives him a better chance of doing so with their personnel, coaching staff and ancillary benefits than the Jets ever could.
History doesn't always portend the future either. Just because the Eagles haven't won a championship in 46 years, that doesn't mean they won't in the 2006 season. And how exactly do that have to "drastically" improve? Weren't they in the Super Bowl two years ago with basically this same group of guys? Don't you think they'll improve even more between now and September? Don't you think Runyan understands this?
Come on man...
can the Jets even afford Runyan...I thought they were tight and they have to pay a #4 draft pick!
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You'd think the Eagles FO knows they have to bring Runyan back. You'd think.
He has a 20 acre spread in Mount Laurel NJ and he keeps adding to it. His house is getting redone. I cant see anyway possible Runyan is going anywhere. Just suprised at this point other teams havent been interested in him beside the Jets or Pats. As stated here before, hes going to NY to get a number to bring back to the Eagles.
With all the heat on the F.O. it would be a disaster to let Jon go. Hes popular w/ Eagle fans and he has been by far the best FA acquisition this F.O. has ever made. PAY HIM GODDAMMIT!
Quote from: sharpie on March 20, 2006, 09:16:01 PM
He has a 20 acre spread in Mount Laurel NJ and he keeps adding to it. His house is getting redone. I cant see anyway possible Runyan is going anywhere. Just suprised at this point other teams havent been interested in him beside the Jets or Pats. As stated here before, hes going to NY to get a number to bring back to the Eagles.
With all the heat on the F.O. it would be a disaster to let Jon go. Hes popular w/ Eagle fans and he has been by far the best FA acquisition this F.O. has ever made. PAY HIM GODDAMMIT!
Even better than Mike McMahon?
Although I agree that players are usually only in it for the cash, plus the NFLPA pushes players to sign the lucrative contracts to up the market price for everyone else.
But I think Big Jon will stay with the Eagles because the Jets are in shambles and signing there really won't do him any good if he's only planning on playing for another 2 years. Even though we were 6-10 last year we were decimated by injuries and had the TO fiasco looming over our heads. Just by virtue of the Eagles getting healthy and having TO put behind them makes them division contenders and probably conference contenders. Who scares you in the NFC? It's a soft conference.
I can't see Runyan wearing Jet green unless he has some personal ties within the Jets organization, like a long time coach or friend. That is, of course, if the Eagles match the Jets or come awfully close. If the Eagles don't shell out some money, of course he walks.
I'm not looking forward to a Runyanless line next year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 07:21:38 PM
I think Dogra is using the Jets to push the Eagles into action...
My exact thoughts when I read that.
you have to believe the eagles know they have him...because as pompous and condecending as this FO can be its hard to believe with all this money even they would let runyan go...but if ends up that runyan leaves because the eagles showed no real interest in resigning him then novacare should be taklen over by a torch carrying mob
as for runyan wanting a ring...gimme a break...only one team wins a ring each year...and that team is never the eagles...however many players get paid every year and runyan wants to be one of them...to think otherwise is to be naive
QuoteFree agent Runyan to visit Jets today
The right tackle is also talking to the Birds. His goal is to stay near home and also get a good deal.
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
The Eagles have spoken to Jon Runyan, but it's the New York Jets who will get a Long Island visit from the imposing right tackle today.
Runyan, an unrestricted free agent, seemed only mildly encouraged about his conversations with the Eagles.
"We're talking a little bit," he said yesterday after returning from a vacation in the Cayman Islands. "We just started the process."
What exactly does that mean?
"They returned my phone call," said Runyan, who is represented by agent Ben Dogra. "I guess something is better than nothing."
Runyan, 32, said this is likely to be his last NFL contract, and it is clear that he would like to remain with the Eagles if the price is right. Barring that, he wants to remain as close to his Mount Laurel home as possible.
"I think that's one of the biggest reasons we're starting up there" at the Jets' headquarters in Hempstead, N.Y., Runyan said. "We're trying to stay around here, but there are only so many teams around here."
The Jets happen to be one of the teams in the market for a right tackle, after releasing Jason Fabini last month. The Dallas Cowboys signed Fabini on Saturday.
Baltimore is another possible destination for Runyan if the 6-foot-7, 330-pound tackle wants to stay close to home. The Ravens released Orlando Brown last week. Tony Pashos replaced Brown in the middle of last season, so the Ravens may not be looking for a right tackle.
It is not known what kind of deal it will take to sign Runyan. The free-agent market for right tackles has not been that active. Fabini, in fact, has probably been the most notable right tackle to sign with another team, and he received a modest three-year deal that guarantees only $4.5 million.
Runyan, who signed a six-year, $30.5 million deal with the Eagles in 2000, made $4.9 million last season even after taking a pay cut. The Eagles paid Runyan $9.5 million in signing and roster bonuses on his last contract, and he rewarded them by playing 96 straight regular-season games and 12 postseason games.
Though Runyan isn't going to get a deal as lucrative as his last one, he is still hoping to get a decent contract.
"I'm open to anything - two, three or four years - as long as the money is right," he said.
QuoteBirds or Jets: Runyan gauging interest
By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com
Jon Runyan said there has been more dialogue about a new contract with the Eagles over the past several days than before, but Runyan isn't sure that means he is headed for another stint with the Birds.
"There's more going on than there was a week ago, but I can't say that we're closer than we were a week ago," Runyan said yesterday, after returning from a vacation in the Cayman Islands.
In fact, the 32-year-old free-agent offensive tackle said he plans to visit today with the New York Jets. Runyan said he wasn't sure how to gauge the Jets' interest level, either.
One theory has been that the Eagles wanted to see what the market was for Runyan, an extraordinarily durable player who is getting toward the end of his career, before they decided how seriously to pursue bringing him back. There isn't much else available on the free-agent market. Runyan is by far the most high-profile offensive lineman remaining unsigned.
"There's not a lot of tackles signing for big money. Who's to say what the market is?" Runyan said.
When the Birds were unable to sign center LeCharles Bentley, instead losing him to Cleveland, that might have made them less likely to try to move right guard Shawn Andrews outside to Runyan's spot this season; they could need Andrews inside.
Runyan is using the Jets to set his market. Get an offer from NY and then the ball is in the Eagles court.
Let's hope you're right. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets gave him a good offer, and he simply took it. This is on the Eagles front office for playing it "cool" and allowing Runyan to shop his wares elsewhere. If he feels like the Jets value him more highly, he won't hesitate to take the deal.
Think what you want, but the Eagles have given up the upper hand in this situation.
the Eagles made Runyan take a pay-cut last year, for no other reason than because they could. i won't be surprised if Runyan doesn't give them last shot to match an offer. the Jets are close enough to his home that he doesn't have to worry about moving.
only this front office could ask one of its most beloved and best players take a pay cut one year before his contract is up....and the next year when the contract is up not reward him with a healthy new deal when they have gobs of money available
[banner]You know how we do.[/banner]
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 08:37:59 AM
Let's hope you're right. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets gave him a good offer, and he simply took it. This is on the Eagles front office for playing it "cool" and allowing Runyan to shop his wares elsewhere. If he feels like the Jets value him more highly, he won't hesitate to take the deal.
Think what you want, but the Eagles have given up the upper hand in this situation.
I agree FF. I have a bad feeling that I' ll see Big Jon wearing a Jet jersey on the news tonight.
Jets | Team spending time with Runyan; no offer made yet
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:23:44 -0800
Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports free agent OT Jon Runyan (Eagles) had dinner with New York Jets officials Tuesday evening, March 21. Runyan is expected to spend the bulk of Wednesday, March 22, visiting with the team. No offer has been made as of Tuesday evening.
If the Eagles let him walk I'm going to change my opinion of them right now. There is no excuse to let him walk. None. The only reason would be them being cheap.
My head will explode if Runyan leaves. I don't care about the circumstances, there will be exploding.
Post pics.
I'll see what I can do.
I'll buy each of you a beer at the tailgate next year if Runyan leaves for the Jets.
He's not going anywhere so calm the hell down, all of ya.
:)
tailgate beer is free...but can i give you my seat location so i can get a free stadium beer if he leaves?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 22, 2006, 08:30:16 AM
I'll buy each of you a beer at the tailgate next year if Runyan leaves for the Jets.
He's not going anywhere so calm the hell down, all of ya.
:)
It looks like we have our own version of Art, or the Iraqi Minister of Information.
You know nothing, Jerome. It's nice to think he's not going anywhere, but you say that just based on your homertastic hunch and playing the odds.
Sure, it's more likely that the Eagles re-sign Runyan now... but he's on Long Island with the Jets all day today, and if they show him respect and offer him a fair deal, he's gone. The Eagles are only turning to him after failing to land their OL upgrade elsewhere, so why should he show any loyalty?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 08:32:05 AM
tailgate beer is free...but can i give you my seat location so i can get a free stadium beer if he leaves?
How is tailgate beer free? Where is this free beer tree at?
im not sure if andy truly believes in all these kids...but i am quite certain he more than anything wants to throw them together on the lines and have them all turn out to be great nfl players no matter what position he puts them at and regardless if they are ready now or ever...so then he can say told you so and prove his genius to everyone that he can take undrafted and low round division II kids and make them quality nfl palyers...
there is simply no other explanantion for letting runyan go...if thats what happens
How is tailgate beer free? Where is this free beer tree at?
stop by anytime
you actually charge for beer at your tailgate?
i dont believe you
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I'm sorry... I just have a hard time seeing this FO do something so monumentally stupid as letting Runyan get away while this o-line responsible for keeping their $100 million QB upright, is in it's current condition. Seriously... has there ever been a bigger no-brainer for these guys? I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one and hopefully, they don't disappoint.
There is simply no getting around it... sign Runyan or you've pretty much farged the entire season.
In the end... I think we will get him resigned, but damn... why does it even have to get to this point? If I'm in that FO... one second I'm getting the phone call that Bentley is in Cleveland, the next, I'm calling Runyan and his agent about getting his ass back here. Instead, they've left Runyan basically holding all the cards and if big Jon ripped them a new one money-wise in order to get him back in the fold... I wouldn't blame him in the least.
They better get him signed. Do NOT let him walk to the Jets.
If he does leave, they would need to take a shot at Larry Allen so he could play LG. But there is a buyer beware sticker on him. Can he stay in shape? Will he worl hard? He was known to slack a bit especially when Parcells first got there.
Several scenarios:
1.
Thomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
2.
Herremans
Allen
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
3.
Thomas
Allen
Jackson
Andrews
Herremans
none of those scenarios are upgrades over last season...i hope #5 is healthy & ready to scramble this year.
Right??
He had better be trimming down and doing wind sprints in AZ, because all indications are that his bosses are going to leave his protection up to his feet.
dont forget he also has a wr corps that is going to have trouble getting open...run forrest run
Quote from: hunt on March 22, 2006, 09:11:43 AM
none of those scenarios are upgrades over last season...i hope #5 is healthy & ready to scramble this year.
You're crazy.
Simply removing Hicks and Fraley = upgrade.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 22, 2006, 09:18:33 AM
Quote from: hunt on March 22, 2006, 09:11:43 AM
none of those scenarios are upgrades over last season...i hope #5 is healthy & ready to scramble this year.
You're crazy.
Simply removing Hicks and Fraley = upgrade.
not if you're replacing them with their backups from last season.
Quote from: hunt on March 22, 2006, 09:20:10 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 22, 2006, 09:18:33 AM
Quote from: hunt on March 22, 2006, 09:11:43 AM
none of those scenarios are upgrades over last season...i hope #5 is healthy & ready to scramble this year.
You're crazy.
Simply removing Hicks and Fraley = upgrade.
not if you're replacing them with their backups from last season.
Jackson is a better C
Herremans is a better player than Hicks.
And if Allen is added then he is bette too.
Simply removing Hicks and Fraley = upgrade
IF jackson and herremans are better than fraley and hicks...theres certainly no guarantee of that...herremans is a divison II tackle playing guard and jackson is an undrafted player out of delaware state...theres hardly any proof they will be an improvement over the other two
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 22, 2006, 09:21:49 AM
And if Allen is added then he is better too.
You mean Larry Allen? ???
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 09:23:18 AM
Simply removing Hicks and Fraley = upgrade
IF jackson and herremans are better than fraley and hicks...theres certainly no guarantee of that...herremans is a divison II tackle playing guard and jackson is an undrafted player out of delaware state...theres hardly any proof they will be an improvement over the other two
To me Herremans proved he can play in the NFL last year. I think they found a very good player.
And Jackson showed he was an improvement right away. He still needs to get as good as Hank was at calling the line calls, but he is a better run blocker and when he has a DT on his face he can hold his own and not get blown back
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 22, 2006, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 22, 2006, 09:21:49 AM
And if Allen is added then he is better too.
You mean Larry Allen? ???
Yes.
The only Cowboy who I've ever really liked/respected. Well, him and Darren Woodson.
i hope herremans & jackson are better but that's not a given...more like wishful thinking.
i also hope reggie brown really does become the next chad johnson.
herremans didnt prove shtein last year...hes played four games in his entire life...thats hardly proven..lets see him for an entire year before we annoint him anything
in the end well see...but right now its 50/50...and thats the problem...they need to be substantially improving positions not hoping some no name youngsters can come in and be as good
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 08:45:04 AM
How is tailgate beer free? Where is this free beer tree at?
stop by anytime
you actually charge for beer at your tailgate?
i dont believe you
I wouldn't charge, but the jerks at the liquor store seem to think it's okay to make me pay.
figure the 14.99 you pay for the 30 pack to be more than made up in the food liquor weed and coke youre getting for free in the parking lot
Quote from: hunt on March 22, 2006, 09:28:26 AM
i hope herremans & jackson are better but that's not a given...more like wishful thinking.
i also hope reggie brown really does become the next chad johnson.
They are.
And he will.
Any more questions? :)
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 09:30:39 AM
herremans didnt prove shtein last year...hes played four games in his entire life...thats hardly proven..lets see him for an entire year before we annoint him anything
in the end well see...but right now its 50/50...and thats the problem...they need to be substantially improving positions not hoping some no name youngsters can come in and be as good
Maybe not to you. But he did to me. I loved the way he played. Still has to get better obviously but he's a player/
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 09:35:03 AM
figure the 14.99 you pay for the 30 pack to be more than made up in the food liquor weed and coke youre getting for free in the parking lot
Regardless, the beer is not free. I've never looked nor seen jack in the parking lot of a pro game.
well ive never been bought or seen a beer paid for in the parking lot...thats what i was saying...perhaps romey could buy a beer from you and give it to me
Guys guys guys. Just settle down.
Jackson is a probowler, in spite of the fact that he has never been able to crack the starting lineup.
Herremans is also awesome. He started for like a quarter of the season and is clearly ready to step into a new position that he didn't play last year.
Oh, and Reggie Brown is going to be the best receiver in football. He totally had like almost 600 yards last season.
This team is money and you guys are all jerks.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 22, 2006, 09:51:43 AM
Guys guys guys. Just settle down.
Jackson is a probowler, in spite of the fact that he has never been able to crack the starting lineup.
Herremans is also awesome. He started for like a quarter of the season and is clearly ready to step into a new position that he didn't play last year.
Oh, and Reggie Brown is going to be the best receiver in football. He totally had like almost 600 yards last season.
This team is money and you guys are all jerks.
And its a given that Runyan is leaving.
Oh, and free agency is over.
Kill myself.
other than arrington who they clearly would never make a play for free agency basically is over...thats not to say they couldnt make a deal to get a moulds tho
and runyan i believe is coming back...but if he doesnt.....
I don't think Runyan is leaving, but we've all been proven wrong about this team keeping 'key' veterans in the past so there is no way anyone can say with certainty that he'll be back.
Oh and the list of free agents that are available that any team would want is about 3 names long at this point.
But good attempt at biting sarcasm
Quote from: rjs246 on March 22, 2006, 09:51:43 AM
Guys guys guys. Just settle down.
Jackson is a probowler, in spite of the fact that he has never been able to crack the starting lineup.
Herremans is also awesome. He started for like a quarter of the season and is clearly ready to step into a new position that he didn't play last year.
Oh, and Reggie Brown is going to be the best receiver in football. He totally had like almost 600 yards last season.
This team is money and you guys are all jerks.
Right on. You're right.
They all suck. I shouldn't be optimistic about those 3 players. They can't play. Should go out and sign some big names because then everyone will know them.
Good plan.
I know this is hard to fathom, but there is a middle ground between 'these two unproven guys are totally an upgrade!' and 'they suck, everyone sucks, this team sucks, sucky suck suck.'
I reside in the middle and think all of you are fringe farging lunatics.
The point isn't whether or not Wost Manneans and Whatshisname at Center can surprise the league and play well...the point is that the FO has done NOTHING to substantially improve the team, despite powerful needs to do so, and vast resources with which to make it happen. They're happy to let all the free agents go, and then throw up their hands and say: there's no one out there to get. We'll just plow ahead with our hopes and our fat bag of cash.
Farg the farging Eagles.
In a completely unrelated matter, I'm going to see the Phils today in Orlando.
Do you guys think Ryan Howard can play the WILL?
In conclusion, get Runyan.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 22, 2006, 10:09:07 AM
The point isn't whether or not Wost Manneans and Whatshisname at Center can surprise the league and play well...the point is that the FO has done NOTHING to substantially improve the team, despite powerful needs to do so, and vast resources with which to make it happen. They're happy to let all the free agents go, and then throw up their hands and say: there's no one out there to get. We'll just plow ahead with our hopes and our fat bag of cash.
Farg the farging Eagles.
You say powerful needs like it is a fact.
I respectfully disagree with this opinion. Our 2004 playoff run and our 2001-2003 seasons were accomplished with decidedly weaker personell.
True, but the personnel on our divisional rivals was also much, much weaker.
I respectfully disagree with this opinion. Our 2004 playoff run and our 2001-2003 seasons were accomplished with decidedly weaker personell.
FF is correct the competition was weaker...but even with that being the case this eagle team is not 'decidedly' stronger in terms of personnel
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 11:28:04 AM
I respectfully disagree with this opinion. Our 2004 playoff run and our 2001-2003 seasons were accomplished with decidedly weaker personell.
FF is correct the competition was weaker...but even with that being the case this eagle team is not 'decidedly' stronger in terms of personnel
Okay, okay but I will take
strongerI still don't think any of our division rivals has a legit top flight QB. Dallas' defense is mediocre. The Giant's D has gaping holes. The 'skins probably have the best d of our rivals, but they are far from dominant.
id take the 01-03 defense over this current teams defense or offense
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 11:35:19 AM
id take the 01-03 defense over this current teams defense or offense
I think the secondary is better now. I think the LB's were better then. The line with Howard is probably going to be better this year. It comes down to strengthening our LB corps. I would love to see Arrington, won't happen. That being the case, I would love to see Ike Reese back.
I think the secondary is better now
youre illin dukes
Lewis is better than the SS's of that period. Dawkins is still Dawkins, but he was in his absolute prime in 2001-2003. Lito and Sheldon are a little more athletic than Troy and Bobby, but Troy and Bobby were smarter players and more physical overall. That's partially because the rules are such that the CB's could make a lot more contact then, but...
Anyway, coming off last season is a bad time to judge the current secondary.
Take this for what it's worth alert:
A guy called into WIP and said his source in NY said Runyan asked for 3 years 18 million and 12.5 guaranteed over the first 2 years. The Jets declined that but made a counter-offer. He didn't know what that offer was. He was a friend of Gargano and Gargano said the guy has very reliable sources.
yep heard that myself but stayed away from posting it for fear of pg coming out of her cave to bash me
gargano has also repeatedly said that hes been told the eagles simply dont want runyan back...they want to move forward with herremans outside
building for the future...
Keep the tackle with back issues and not the healthy one. Makes no farging sense to me.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 22, 2006, 02:45:23 PM
Keep the tackle with back issues and not the healthy one. Makes no farging sense to me.
it makes perfect sense, if you look at it from thier view. if Runyan had a contract for this year, he'd be here, just like Tra, but he doesn't, so he's gone.
wheres rome
"but dood that money is insane, if the jets want to be that idiotic and pay him that much i dont blame the FO for letting him go, its time to move on"
it's definite rebuild mode if runyan isn't back...and look for them to draft tra's replacement too. hairy-man can only play 1 tackle position.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 22, 2006, 02:45:23 PM
Keep the tackle with back issues and not the healthy one. Makes no farging sense to me.
It's more like keeping the one under contract and not the free agent.
its more like stick the blueprint at all costs...including a superbowl
This is not a superbowl year any way you slice it. As of right now the defense is still questionable, there's no punter, and McNabb is still going to wind up on his ass. Having Runyan back doesn't solve every problem, but it would help keep McNabb clean.
if runyon isnt back...it better mean they will trade up to get Brick Ferguson
Quote from: Wingspan on March 22, 2006, 04:40:28 PM
if runyon isnt back...it better mean they will trade up to get Brick Ferguson
There is no way in hell they could do that without trading their whole draft away, and then some.
Ummm... I don't care what Runyan wants. He's the anchor of the line, not some stillupfronty third receiver like Randle El.
Pay the motherfarger what he wants, whatever he wants.
That's a nice theory, but if the Eagles were even considering that to be true, it'd be done already.
I was simply giving my opinion in response to IGY's post, FF. You break the bank to keep certain guys. Since Runyan keeps Donovan alive and kicking, you do what you need to financially to keep him there.
Got that straight?
From Spads:
QuoteGuys, offers are NEVER posted on a team web site. IF there was an offer, the leak came from the agent. Teams don't mention anything until something is official, and the Jets are likely waiting for that ... I think the Eagles have a real shot at retaining Runyan, by the way.
That is the closest he's come to saying he'd be back. And it jives with what Runyan was saying before he left - that he'd go get an offer and come back to the Eagles with it.
They gotta re-sign him.
According to CSN, the Jets are seriously considering an offer but nothing has been made yet, and his first preference is still to remain an Eagle...
Jets | Team makes offer to Runyan
Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:38:06 -0800
Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the New York Jets met with free agent OT Jon Runyan (Eagles) Wednesday, March 22, and made a contract offer to him. The two sides are expected to continue negotiations Thursday, March 23.
Time to throw that sig away.
Quote from: Smizzy on March 23, 2006, 12:18:52 AM
Jets | Team makes offer to Runyan
Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:38:06 -0800
Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the New York Jets met with free agent OT Jon Runyan (Eagles) Wednesday, March 22, and made a contract offer to him. The two sides are expected to continue negotiations Thursday, March 23.
INteresting, considering THIS article has actual quotes from Runyan himself. Nice try, Smizzy.
QuotePosted on Thu, Mar. 23, 2006
A little deja vu for Runyan after meeting with Jets
By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com
Jon Runyan's meeting with the Jets yesterday reminded him of the last free-agent visit he made, 6 years ago.
"It was almost a mirror image of when I came into Philadelphia," Runyan said yesterday. "It was a pretty good setup, a new coach trying to turn things around."
As impressed as Runyan was with new Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum and new coach Eric Mangini, he left Long Island without an offer.
"They were just trying to feel me out, see if what they'd heard about me was true," said Runyan, whom coach Andy Reid credited with giving the Eagles' offensive line a tougher, nastier edge when the right offensive tackle arrived from the Titans in 2000.
Runyan said he has no other visits planned now, and not much has changed in his talks with the Eagles. Runyan's agent, Ben Dogra, has not returned calls from the Daily News.
"We're trying to limit ourselves to the East Coast for family reasons," Runyan said. "That kind of puts the handcuffs on me a bit."
Runyan is in no particular hurry to sign, he said, but he figures most teams will want to have their line situations sorted out going into the April 29-30 NFL draft.
Dallas' release of 10-time Pro Bowl guard Larry Allen Tuesday threw a new wrinkle into the free-agent market for offensive linemen. Allen is 34, but still plays at a reasonably high level. It's unclear whether the Eagles have any interest in signing him. Allen's agent, Marvin Demoff, did not return calls from the Daily News.
Also unknown is the Eagles' interest level in Eric Moulds, the 32-year-old wide receiver who has been given permission by Buffalo to seek a trade. Some observers feel the Bills will have to release Moulds anyway, assuming he continues to resist restructuring his contract, and that no trade is likely. Moulds' agent, Harry Henderson, did not return calls from the Daily News.
well it was Les Bowen in that article.
Yes, it was.
However, it was Runyan's quote. ;)
LIke last year they let a player test his worth on the open market (Trotter).
And they re-signed him.
So maybe tonight when I wake up, there'll be some good news much like last year.
Using Trotter as an example is a little silly. He is the ONLY example of a free agent who they let test the market and then brought back and that was only because he accepted a huge paycut to be there. If Runyan gets an offer he likes, he's gone.
Thank you for crushing my hopes and dreams, tough guy. >:(
That's what I'm here for. I wish I could believe 100% that he's coming back, but at this point its more like 45%. Makes me sick.
No joke. My stomach turns when I think about what the Eagles have done in free agency. I'm betting Runyan goes to the Jets, this way maybe just maybe I'll be happily surprised.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 23, 2006, 08:31:59 AM
That's what I'm here for. I wish I could believe 100% that he's coming back, but at this point its more like 45%. Makes me sick.
Actually, Runyan leaving NY without an offer just raised my 50/50 opinion to like 75/25 he signs back here.
shtein. Now I'm only feeling 35%. Thanks a lot, PG.
runyan on with angelo
-has no idea if hes coming back
-"decent" visit with the jets
-says the jets can make the decision for him if they 'make it right'
-another team could jump in at anytime
-no offer from the jets yet
-eagles are involved but have yet to make a bid for him
-money is a huge issue lots has to do with location as his family will be staying in philly
-hasnt had many offers cause hes eliminated most of the league due to locale
-a team that has a chance to win is not really an issue to him
-was very comfortable up with the jets
-thinks reid wants him back but it comes down to money and the eagles have not gone there yet
-said in two years playing with TO spoke to him exactly once
Eagles are waiting to see what offer he gets. What he said all along (Runyan).
he didnt really say that...cause he said if the jets made him an offer that was right it would be over right now...he wouldnt take it to the eagles
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
runyan on with angelo
-has no idea if hes coming back
-"decent" visit with the jets
-says the jets can make the decision for him if they 'make it right'
-another team could jump in at anytime
-no offer from the jets yet
-eagles are involved but have yet to make a bid for him
-money is a huge issue lots has to do with location as his family will be staying in philly
-hasnt had many offers cause hes eliminated most of the league due to locale
-a team that has a chance to win is not really an issue to him
-was very comfortable up with the jets
-thinks reid wants him back but it comes down to money and the eagles have not gone there yet
-said in two years playing with TO spoke to him exactly once
Thanks for the recap.
I think he farged himself out of a bigger offer by not involving the teams that are farther away. He necessarily didn't have to sign there, but just talking to them and drumming up offers could've helped him. But I am glad he did that because that helps us as far as maybe getting him back.
Man, I hope they re-sign him. I can't say that enough.
My brain cannot begin to understand WHY Reid would not bring him back. They can't use the injury thing because he doesn't miss games. They can't use the money thing because they have a ton of it. They can't use the "we want to play the young guys" because they can plug Herremans in at LG and Tra isn't a given to be 100%.
They CANNOT go into the season without excellent protection for McNabb. They just can't do that. If Tra goes down and Runyan leaves, that ain't a pretty picture.
Re-sign him. Let him stay in town and stay at RT where you know he'll be for every damn game of the year. Let him continue to build chemsitry with Andrews on the right side. I am really looking forward to a Thomas-Herremans-Jackson-Andrews-Runyan OL. Make it happen.
I think he farged himself out of a bigger offer by not involving the teams that are farther away. He necessarily didn't have to sign there, but just talking to them and drumming up offers could've helped him
this is true but i dont think thats him...hes seems like one of the most straight forward honest athletes youll ever hear...the kind of person that would feel dirty doing something like that...
doesnt hurt either that he has more money now than he could ever spend
it's clear Runyan just wants his final big paycheck. I dont know why the hell the Eagles are not giving it to him, they are not spending it anywhere else.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 09:43:29 AM
I think he farged himself out of a bigger offer by not involving the teams that are farther away. He necessarily didn't have to sign there, but just talking to them and drumming up offers could've helped him
this is true but i dont think thats him...hes seems like one of the most straight forward honest athletes youll ever hear...the kind of person that would feel dirty doing something like that...
doesnt hurt either that he has more money now than he could ever spend
You're right. That's why when Runyan is on TV or radio I actually believe what he says. And he said he would go back to the FO here and see if they would match. But I'm still worried. Yesterday I was optimistic. Now I am in 50/50 land trying to understand what the hell they're doing.
If they want to not sign anymore WRs, cool. If they want to not sign a LB, cool. But at least give us a solid fargin OL.
Not re-signing Runyan is a mistake. I don't care how good Herremans is supposed to be. If Herremans can really beat out Runyan for the starting spot at RT, bring on the competition.
if they don't resign Runyan, the proposed line would be:
Tra
Hicks/Clarke/Young competition - with losers being backup
Jackson/Fraley competition - with loser being backup
Andrews
Herremans
somewhere, #5 is weeping
Quote from: MURP on March 23, 2006, 09:44:31 AM
it's clear Runyan just wants his final big paycheck. I dont know why the hell the Eagles are not giving it to him, they are not spending it anywhere else.
Couldn't agree more it also gives them flexibility in the draft as well.
Well, thanks to some guy tagging my truck while parked in front of my house (only 3 years after some broad totalled my Mustang) I am awake. And listening to EaglesLive. Adam Caplan will be on and Spads said he's been talking to Runyan's agent.
And Dave was just asked about Larry Allen and it doesn't sound like much interest. He's mentioning Scott Young.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:06:57 PM
And Dave was just asked about Larry Allen and it doesn't sound like much interest. He's mentioning Scott Young.
Im not even on the Larry Allen bandwagon, but what else can you do but laugh (or cry) when Spads is talking up Scott Young.
Im not even on the Larry Allen bandwagon, but what else can you do but laugh (or cry) when Spads is talking up Scott Young.
ha...so true
Spads says Runyan wants to be here...
This is Dave "just guessing, I swear' breaking it down on his chances: Spads says that the Eagles want him back and told him to go out and get an offer and bring it back and the Eagles would have to make a choice. But he thinks that the Eagles really, really want him back.
Quote from: MURP on March 23, 2006, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:06:57 PM
And Dave was just asked about Larry Allen and it doesn't sound like much interest. He's mentioning Scott Young.
Im not even on the Larry Allen bandwagon, but what else can you do but laugh (or cry) when Spads is talking up Scott Young.
Yup. But then he goes and says they really want Runyan back.
They're playing ping-pong with my emotions. Just f'ing re-sign him!
Way to step up to the plate and show a veteran reliable OT who you forced to take a paycut feel wanted.
Caller: Do you think we'll re-sign Runyan?
Spads: "Yes! Yes!"
The caller was taken aback. It sounded like he was ready to bemoan the loss of Runyan and Dave shocked him by his response.
yeah, if they "really, really" want him back, why try so hard not to pay him one penny more than someone else would? just pay the farging man.
Spads says Runyan wants to be here...
breaking news!! from spads
Spads says that the Eagles want him back and told him to go out and get an offer and bring it back and the Eagles would have to make a choice. But he thinks that the Eagles really, really want him back.
pure FO spin
if they wanted him back so bad he would have been locked up before FA even started...if not then...then the second they lost out on bently
somewhere between not at all and for a below market value deal is where i would rate their desire to have him back
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:18:27 PM
Spads says Runyan wants to be here...
This is Dave "just guessing, I swear' breaking it down on his chances: Spads says that the Eagles want him back and told him to go out and get an offer and bring it back and the Eagles would have to make a choice. But he thinks that the Eagles really, really want him back.
Evidenced by not saying 2 words to him until Bentley was out of the picture.
Just sign the motherfarger and end all this unnecessary bullshtein.
As long as they get him back, I don't care if it is a lowball deal or what. Just get it done.
I don't necessarily disagree with their strategy here, but at least keep talking to him and let him know that he is wanted and they will seriously look at bringing him back. Showing him the love and respect is giving him a deal he wants regardless when it is.
Spads says he doesn't think the Jets put the full court press on Runyan and that helps the Eagles. But Adam Caplan has spoken to the agent and he will be on the show in a few minutes to update
Runyan did receive an offer from the Jets, and discussions are continuing this morning with them.
Expects Runyan to either be resigned or a Jet in the next 24 hrs.
Adam Caplan from FootballInjuries.com & Sirius on:
- Vikes signed Mike McMahon (Spads is shocked)
- Vikes having DeQuincy Scott and Tank Williams visiting
- Caplan believes the Vikes will try really hard to trade up for Jay Cutler
- Runyan told CSN and WIP that he did not receive an offer. But Caplan was told that he DID receive an offer and the Jets and Runyans people will talk more today. Runyan wants more than the Jets are offering.
- Jets and Eagles are the only two teams in this race
- Eagles are still very much into it
- Baltimore might jump in, but not likely.
- Once he gets that offer he is looking for he will take it back to the Eagles and is willing to give them a hometown discount of possibly 25% down from the Jets offer.
- Thinks this will be done in 24 hours either way
Wow... Adam Kaplan said exactly what I said days ago... if the Jets give him a big offer, he'll be a Jet.
Runyan told CSN and WIP that he did not receive an offer
to be clear on this runyan told angelo that he didnt receive and offer personally but that he went to bed early and thinks he got one by now (this morning)
Continued:
- Runyan side is looking for more money
- His gut reaction is if the Jets throw enough money at him he will be a Jet.
- But the Eagles will have a chance to match, but will they? The Jets have extra money from dumping Abraham.
- What are the Jets really willing to pay for an older RT?
- Spoke to an agent of a LT who said that RTs are not as valuable and the fact that there are several other RTs out there a fair offer to Runyan is $12-$16M with a $5M signing bonus.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:18:27 PM
Spads says Runyan wants to be here...
This is Dave "just guessing, I swear' breaking it down on his chances: Spads says that the Eagles want him back and told him to go out and get an offer and bring it back and the Eagles would have to make a choice. But he thinks that the Eagles really, really want him back.
i call bullshtein.
if that were true. why wait for runyon to get another offer?
its damage control for when he leaves..."but we really really wanted him back"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:38:53 PM
- Spoke to an agent of a LT who said that RTs are not as valuable and the fact that there are several other RTs out there a fair offer to Runyan is $12-$16M with a $5M signing bonus.
I'm guessing that's a 3 year deal?
Kaplan agrees with me on Eagles FA overall, too... likes the Gaffney signing more than most, but thinks the Eagles have thus far neglected the front line talent and depth on the interiors of both sides of the line. DING!
- Thinks the Eagles are pretty much done in FA.
- Keyshawn would love to be an Eagle, but he would love to be anywhere where someone wants him.
- Keyshawn will have a tough time getting a team because of his money requests. Turning down $3M a year is nuts.
- Eric Moulds will likely be released because no one will give up a 1 or a 2...maybe a 3. But he will likely be cut and he has about 2 years left of good football. He will get cut in his opinion.
- Caplan likes the Eagles off-season, doesn't love it, but likes it.
- Gaffney was a good signing - just didn't have any chances in Houston.
- Howard is a boom or bust type guy. He could come in and be a stud or totally suck.
- Barber is a wait and see situation. It all depends on his health.
- Eagles have a lot of money to extend players. Mike Lewis will be one of the first to be extended.
Interview over.
yep.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:38:53 PM
- Spoke to an agent of a LT who said that RTs are not as valuable and the fact that there are several other RTs out there a fair offer to Runyan is $12-$16M with a $5M signing bonus.
I'm guessing that's a 3 year deal?
3 or 4...he said the average yearly salary should be 3.5 to 4 mil a season.
lol, yeah the Eagles really want him back but are not willing to spend some of their gazillions in cap room to lock him up over the past months. In fact, they want Runyan so much that they are willing to let him entertain offers from other teams.
Spads' guess at 2006 OL:
Thomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
If no Runyan:
Thomas
Clarke
Jackson
Andrews
Herremans
or
Thomas
Clarke/Hicks
Jackson
Herremans
Andrews
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:44:08 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 23, 2006, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:38:53 PM
- Spoke to an agent of a LT who said that RTs are not as valuable and the fact that there are several other RTs out there a fair offer to Runyan is $12-$16M with a $5M signing bonus.
I'm guessing that's a 3 year deal?
3 or 4...he said the average yearly salary should be 3.5 to 4 mil a season.
More than reasonable, I thought Jon would command $5 million per season.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:43:17 PM
- Eagles have a lot of money to extend players. Mike Lewis will be one of the first to be extended.
didnt we hear last year that the Eagles were not very impressed with Michael Lewis... which is why he wasnt extended already?
Eagles will run the ball a lot more. Won't be the Steelers or anything, but they will run it much more.
Said Donovan CAN NOT BE HIT.
SO F'ING SIGN RUNYAn!!!!!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:47:31 PM
Eagles will run the ball a lot more. Won't be the Steelers or anything, but they will run it much more.
I'll believe it when I see it.
likes the Gaffney signing more than most
whos dislikes the gaffney signing??
who is this kaplan cat and why is he on sirius talking about the eagles so much
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 01:48:32 PM
who is this kaplan cat and why is he on sirius talking about the eagles so much
link (http://nfl.com/fantasy/caplan_fantasy_2002.html)
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 01:48:32 PM
likes the Gaffney signing more than most
whos dislikes the gaffney signing??
Um, you do. You think he's no better than a #3 and still want the Eagles to trade for Eric Moulds.
Quote from: MURP on March 23, 2006, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 01:43:17 PM
- Eagles have a lot of money to extend players. Mike Lewis will be one of the first to be extended.
didnt we hear last year that the Eagles were not very impressed with Michael Lewis... which is why he wasnt extended already?
Not really...the big hang-up was that Lewis wanted big time bucks and then went out and had that poor season. He wanted top safety cash.
And now that a piece of shtein like Archuleta got FAT cash, it will probably be a tough negotiation.
Spads: "I don't think Arrington is a premiere player. Premiere talent, but not player. I don't think Julian Peterson is, or has been a premiere player..."
But Shawn farging Barber is?!!??!?!?!?!?!?
Um, you do.
link?
You think he's no better than a #3
he isnt unless your #1 is TO and then he could be an ok two...but basically hes freddie mitchell
and still want the Eagles to trade for Eric Moulds.
absolutely....but what does that have to do with gaffney....moulds is better a lot better....no shame in that
Who dislikes Gaffney?
WIP and the callers of WIP.
no....people wanted something better than gaffney...99% of wip callers dont even know who he is
if pinky cant come back and there is a very good chance of that they needed something more than jabar gaffney to replace TO and pinky
Spadaro really is a f-in idiot...he makes no sense and trys to justify his answers to his own brainwashed mind. His Arrington and Peterson answers were asinine, and thinks those players wouldnt come in here and make a difference? There is a f-in reason why the Seahawks paid him that much.....its called being a ProBowler and huge UPSIDE! He thinks like Cuban Gooding Jr in Radio
i really don't want Andrews at RT until he proves that he can be at a productive RT weight and can maintain that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 01:57:46 PM
no....people wanted something better than gaffney...99% of wip callers dont even know who he is
if pinky cant come back and there is a very good chance of that they needed something more than jabar gaffney to replace TO and pinky
You should've heard Rhea the day they signed him.
"I had this guy on my fantasy team and he sucks. Bad signing."
At this point in his career, Moulds is NOT "a lot better" than Jabar Gaffney. Moulds 4-5 years ago? Yes.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 23, 2006, 02:00:55 PM
i really don't want Andrews at RT until he proves that he can be at a productive RT weight and can maintain that.
Agreed.
And I really want him inside. His footwork combined with his size equals a devastating inside player. He will be able to kill people. If I am the GM, I leave him at RG.
he's so athletic, he would really be well utilized as a pulling/screening guard if he got his weight down. he needs work on his open field blocking though, there were a couple times last year where i remember Andrews being in front of Westbrook with only one guy to block and he couldn't get it done.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 01:57:46 PM
no....people wanted something better than gaffney...99% of wip callers dont even know who he is
if pinky cant come back and there is a very good chance of that they needed something more than jabar gaffney to replace TO and pinky
You should've heard Rhea the day they signed him.
"I had this guy on my fantasy team and he sucks. Bad signing."
Rhea is cute. She obviously came in last place in her league if she even would of drafted him for fantasy football. Texan players and consistency...hmmmm.... except for Dominic Davis--but he even fell apart.
At this point in his career, Moulds is NOT "a lot better" than Jabar Gaffney. Moulds 4-5 years ago?
youre buggin dukes....in three years when moulds is retired he might be as good as gaffney...but right now its not even worth discussing....moulds is a one...gaffney is a 3/2.5 who can easily be replaced at any time...which is why he was only signed for one year
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 23, 2006, 02:06:38 PM
he's so athletic, he would really be well utilized as a pulling/screening guard if he got his weight down. he needs work on his open field blocking though, there were a couple times last year where i remember Andrews being in front of Westbrook with only one guy to block and he couldn't get it done.
Yep.
Sometimes that has a lot to do with Westbrook too. Not all the time, but there were a few times where I thought he needed to learn to set up his blocks better. But Andrews needs to be a 340. When he is at 340 he is a monster. I was amazed when I saw him at TC the last two years at how agile he is.
I believe his weight will be OK this year. Last year it was a bad spot for him because of the leg injury. He spent so much time rehabbing and being immobile that it caught up to him. I look for him to be back to 340 this year.
I swear to God if they do not re-sign Runyan I am going to be one angry motherfarger.
Quote from: reese125 on March 23, 2006, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 01:57:46 PM
no....people wanted something better than gaffney...99% of wip callers dont even know who he is
if pinky cant come back and there is a very good chance of that they needed something more than jabar gaffney to replace TO and pinky
You should've heard Rhea the day they signed him.
"I had this guy on my fantasy team and he sucks. Bad signing."
Rhea is cute. She obviously came in last place in her league if she even would of drafted him for fantasy football. Texan players and consistency...hmmmm.... except for Dominic Davis--but he even fell apart.
I hope you don't mean cute as in she looks good cute.
maybe he thinks rats and ferrets are cute, it's all a matter of personal taste
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 02:10:59 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 23, 2006, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 01:57:46 PM
no....people wanted something better than gaffney...99% of wip callers dont even know who he is
if pinky cant come back and there is a very good chance of that they needed something more than jabar gaffney to replace TO and pinky
You should've heard Rhea the day they signed him.
"I had this guy on my fantasy team and he sucks. Bad signing."
Rhea is cute. She obviously came in last place in her league if she even would of drafted him for fantasy football. Texan players and consistency...hmmmm.... except for Dominic Davis--but he even fell apart.
I hope you don't mean cute as in she looks good cute.
she looks like E.T.'s stunt double....god know.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 02:08:57 PM
moulds is a one...gaffney is a 3/2.5
We'll see what the difference in their stats this year will be. I'm thinking no more than 200 yards and a couple TD's.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 23, 2006, 07:37:03 AM
Quote from: Smizzy on March 23, 2006, 12:18:52 AM
Jets | Team makes offer to Runyan
Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:38:06 -0800
Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the New York Jets met with free agent OT Jon Runyan (Eagles) Wednesday, March 22, and made a contract offer to him. The two sides are expected to continue negotiations Thursday, March 23.
INteresting, considering THIS article has actual quotes from Runyan himself. Nice try, Smizzy.
Are you saying they didn't make an offer and I made it up? Lol....I doubt he signs with us anyway...but it's true.
What?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 23, 2006, 04:20:58 PM
What?
Yeah, what he said.
:-D
I don't get what's so funny. :paranoid
GF, I hold you responsible for leading the masses into this stupid new gimmick.
Someone had to do it. I make no apologies for this newfound stupidity.
Quote from: satan on March 23, 2006, 04:42:55 PM
Someone had to do it. I make no apologies for this newfound stupidity.
"newfound"? Ha!
(http://citypaper.net/articles/2004-10-28/cover4-1.jpg)
Ah, the cavalier defiance method. I guess that's as good as any.
Supposedly Jon was on WPEN with Jody Mac and cut his interview short because his agent was calling from NovaCare... :paranoid
John Runyan on 950am talking to Jodi Mac:
He just said that he left town last night and NO OFFER was made by the jets..
HE said that Ravens are NOT interested in him
The Eagles are supposely making an offer at 4pm today..this is why his agent is in the Novacare Complex today! He hopes that the offer is around what he's looking for!
More to come, well see
Quote from: reese125 on March 23, 2006, 04:47:01 PM
The Eagles are supposely making an offer at 4pm today..this is why his agent is in the Novacare Complex today! He hopes that the offer is around what he's looking for!
Wow, it must be a really long offer.
and at the same time that you guys posted that, my "source" suddenly logged off AIM mid-conversation. :paranoid
All I know is they better get this shtein done.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 23, 2006, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 23, 2006, 04:47:01 PM
The Eagles are supposely making an offer at 4pm today..this is why his agent is in the Novacare Complex today! He hopes that the offer is around what he's looking for!
Wow, it must be a really long offer.
I agree.
i logged off a source this morning.
needed 8 sprays of febreeze
Quote from: Wingspan on March 23, 2006, 04:49:42 PM
i logged off a source this morning.
needed 8 sprays of febreeze
i laughed hard at that.
the febreeze line made it perfect.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 23, 2006, 04:49:42 PM
i logged off a source this morning.
needed 8 sprays of febreeze
ew
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 23, 2006, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 23, 2006, 04:47:01 PM
The Eagles are supposely making an offer at 4pm today..this is why his agent is in the Novacare Complex today! He hopes that the offer is around what he's looking for!
Wow, it must be a really long offer.
I agree.
It takes a while to figure in the half-pennies and everything.
If this doesn't happen tonight it's not happening.
By the way, if they do resign Runyan it takes this offseason from a C- to a C. If it doesn't get done the grade gets dropped to an F+.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 23, 2006, 04:51:44 PM
If this doesn't happen tonight it's not happening.
By the way, if they do resign Runyan it takes this offseason from a C- to a C. If it doesn't get done the grade gets dropped to an F+.
That's being generous.
The plus is for the fact that they signed a defensive lineman who actually weighs more than their linebackers.
QuoteRunyan deciding between Jets, Eagles
Offensive tackle Jon Runyan is expected to decide in the next couple of days as to whether he will sign with the New York Jets or return to the Eagles next season.
Ben Dogra, the agent for Runyan, said in an e-mail message that his client was in negotiations with both teams last night. Runyan visited the Jets' practice facility in Hempstead, N.Y., on Tuesday and Wednesday.
The Eagles had not made Runyan an offer during the first week of free agency and initially declined to discuss whether they wanted him back for a seventh season.
Now, however, it appears as if they want to keep the right tackle. Runyan signed a six-year deal worth $30.5 million with the Eagles in 2000 and never missed a game during his six seasons with the team.
Runyan, 32, said he wants to remain close to his home in Mount Laurel, and his first choice is to play for the Eagles if he considers the contract negotiations fair. The Eagles have enough money under the salary cap to retain him, so now it's just matter of how their offer compares with what the Jets are willing to pay him.
QuoteRunyan could be close to deal
Jon Runyan's free-agent journey could be over today.
Sources close to the situation indicate that Runyan's agent, Ben Dogra, spoke with both the Eagles and the Jets yesterday about a deal for the 32-year-old right offensive tackle. Neither Dogra nor Runyan could be reached for comment, but indications were that Runyan expects to make a decision soon.
Runyan, an Eagle since 2000, doesn't want to move his family from South Jersey and has stated a preference for either signing with the Eagles or with a team nearby. His only free-agent visit has been with the Jets, earlier this week.
Runyan isn't the force he was the last time he hit free agency, but he is a tough, durable player, who has started 144 successive regular-season games. That was the league's fourth-longest current streak at the end of the 2005 season.
Going into free agency, the Eagles might have been poised to let him walk, since they expected to sign center LeCharles Bentley, and thought they'd be strong enough inside to then move right guard Shawn Andrews out to tackle. But Bentley signed in Cleveland, and the Eagles might now be more reluctant to move Andrews.
if there's a decision to be made it's because he is trying to decide between taking the money with the Jets or staying with the Eagles for much cheaper. if the money was close, there wouldn't be a decision to be made.
Well, he did say he would take a hometown discount. So hopefully they are pretty close.
Caplan said on EL yesterday that he heard he could be had for 4 years $16M and a $5M SB. That certainly jives with the market value of a RT so far. Tom Ashworth just got a similar deal from SEA yesterday and he is younger by like 5 years.
the eagles dont really deserve runyan...if i didnt love the team so much id actually root for him to leave....like sun said they are obviously low balling him because they know he wants to come back so bad...not a way to treat someone whos been so loyal and productive for you...
Don't deserve him? Please. As much as I want him back and like Runyan, this is a business. And Runyan has said that himself. Do I wish he was already re-signed? Yes. Do I wish it was done earlier/ Yes. It's very frustrating.
But this is going just like he said he thought it would and what he said the Eagles told him to do.
Did anyone else hear that Runyan IS at the NovaCare complex this morning?
every team in the division has a need at the tackle spot. and other than dallas, are all local. why havent any of them even sniffed at runyon yet?
Washington doesn't have a need (Samuels and Jansen). And New York has Kareem McKenzie (a big signing last year) at RT. They would need a LT because Petitgout sucks.
Baltimore hasn't shown any interest, so it's down to the Jets and the Eagles.
I think that if the Eagles are dicking him around with money, he's a Jet today.
I just don't get it. Either sign the guy (and include the $$ they took from him w/ the paycut), or pull him aside and quietly tell him to take the Jets offer, thank him and wish him well. He's earned at least that by far.
Leaving him out there like this isn't the way to go.
still think theyll get it done as they know the fanbase is going to erupt if he walks...and as little as they care about the fans in general in this case i think they will acquiesce because it will be real ugly if he dips
QuoteRunyan weighing options
<Mar. 24> Runyan is expected to decide in the next couple of days whether he'll remain with the Eagles or sign with the Jets. According to the New York Daily News, the free-agent right tackle is leaning toward taking the Jets' offer.
"Coach [Eric] Mangini and his staff made an excellent impression on Jon," Runyan's agent, Ben Dogra, said in an e-mail. "Philly has been home for Jon for a long time, and that makes it a difficult decision for him."
Runyan, who visited the Jets on Tuesday and Wedneseday, has said he would prefer to remain in Philly, but he doesn't want to sell himself short on what will likely be his last NFL contract. The 32-year-old is the only player who has started for the Eagles at right tackle in the last six seasons.
:-\
farging fargbags.
If they don't resign him, I'll be really disappointed. I'll also be more than a little shocked, to tell you the truth.
This one is such a no-brainer that letting him go would defy explanation.
after their signings, how much money do they have under the cap?
unless the jets are offering something insanely stupid...like a 6 year deal with base salaries of 7-8M per year. if runyon is not resigned by the eagles...in my head, it will be the first step into me wanting a new regime in place.
i just cannot see the logic in letting him walk.
and if he does walk...the FO better be goddamn right on in their evaluation. meaning, they better win a farging superbowl this season.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 10:34:03 AM
after their signings, how much money do they have under the cap?
cash over cap?
no friend, actual cap space, i'm just curious, so that when i go on my drunken rants, i at least have the amount of cap space correct
It's about $18-$20 million. And it's only that small because they built about $7.5m of LTBE incentives into the contracts of Darren Howard and Matt Schobel.
EDIT: Actually, it's about $21 million.
$21 million....and they are going to have an offensive line with one veteran.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 24, 2006, 10:27:39 AM
QuoteRunyan weighing options
<Mar. 24> Runyan is expected to decide in the next couple of days whether he'll remain with the Eagles or sign with the Jets. According to the New York Daily News, the free-agent right tackle is leaning toward taking the Jets' offer.
"Coach [Eric] Mangini and his staff made an excellent impression on Jon," Runyan's agent, Ben Dogra, said in an e-mail. "Philly has been home for Jon for a long time, and that makes it a difficult decision for him."
Runyan, who visited the Jets on Tuesday and Wedneseday, has said he would prefer to remain in Philly, but he doesn't want to sell himself short on what will likely be his last NFL contract. The 32-year-old is the only player who has started for the Eagles at right tackle in the last six seasons.
:-\
Yeah, that's reliable. LOL
It's from ESPN, PG.
It might not be as reliable as the chorus of voices in your head, but it's close.
;)
its not just not having veterans its having undrafted players...7th round picks....division II players...ect...
it would be one thing if it was tra and a bunch of first and second rounders
but to put all your eggs into these kind of players is ultra risky...but what andy wants to be able to do more than anything is say i told you so while hes giving the fans the middle finger
No, its from the NY Daily News...which is as much of a rag as the Philly Daily News.
Along IGY's line of thinking... I'd say there's a 70/30 chance that the plan is to moev Andrews to tackle this year.
i don't know why they wouldn't let Herremans get a full season of right tackle, that way they could move him to left next year.
Hugh is doing a better job on WIP after a rough start early this week. As far as the Eagles are concerned, he's surprisingly objective with much of what he says. He is pretty convinced that Andrews can be a very good tackle.
I'm pretty convinced that Andrews as a tackle terrifies me.
but hugh is going along with garganos line of thinking in that its a certainty that andrews is going to tackle...i dont believe that to be the case...if runyan walks he gets replaced with herremans straight up and thats that....
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 11:03:57 AM
Hugh is doing a better job on WIP after a rough start early this week. As far as the Eagles are concerned, he's surprisingly objective with much of what he says. He is pretty convinced that Andrews can be a very good tackle.
Huge probably wont pull a Missenelli on his producer either. The Eagles must "Love" him being on the air every day... being that he speaks the truth and isnt going to sugar coat anything.
Quote from: PublicEnemy_81 on March 24, 2006, 11:08:15 AM
Huge probably wont pull a Missenelli on his producer either. The Eagles must "Love" him being on the air every day... being that he speaks the truth and isnt going to sugar coat anything.
he was saying something the other day pro-Eagles and a caller came back saying that he has to say that because he works for them. he responded by saying that he doesn't work for the Eagles anymore. So even if they don't like it, their isn't anything he can do about it.
Nothing new from Dave's board this morning. He still hopes and thinks Runyan will be back. Yay.
Quote from: PublicEnemy_81 on March 24, 2006, 11:08:15 AM
Huge probably wont pull a Missenelli on his producer either.
I'm not familiar, what's that mean?
Mikey got fired for taking a swing at their producer last Friday during a remote broadcast. there were some technical problems and he got pissed.
mikey miss physically assaulted his producer last friday and got shteincanned
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 11:59:09 AM
mikey miss physically assaulted his producer last friday and got shteincanned
:-D :-D I hated that farging guy. He's the reason I stopped listening to WIP until recently & glad he's gone. That made my day a little more enjoyable.
i think i'm the only one on this board that liked him.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 12:04:58 PM
i think i'm the only one on this board that liked him.
His voice, opinions & the way he used to say "Sooper Bowl" used to piss me off.
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 24, 2006, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 12:04:58 PM
i think i'm the only one on this board that liked him.
His voice, opinions & the way he used to say "Sooper Bowl" used to piss me off.
yeah, but other than that, what was wrong with him?
he was wrong. a lot.
i dont mean i thought his opinions are wrong. but he would state a "fact" which was innacurate and base an entire argument without ever finding out if he was correct.
this is based on when he used to be on before, as i never listened to the mid day stuff. i actually despise gargano, so i've never really paid attention to anything "the cuz" said.
If they let Runyan go, they get an automatic F for the offseason. I don't care if they trade up for Ferguson either. They'll still get an F. They need DT in the first round period.