heres the list of free agent wr's this offseason...subject to change of course...and igy's official take on each
1)David Givens NE - Complementary guy
2)Reggie Wayne Ind - potential #1...potential peerless price
3)Josh Reed Buf - garbage
4)Randy Hymes Bal - backup
5)Antonio Bryant Cle - backup
6)Antwaan Randle El Pit - versatile and good hands, solid #2/3
7)Eric Moulds Buf - #1
8)Joe Jurevicius Sea - #2
9)Peter Warrick Sea - KR
10)Jabar Gaffney Hou - meh, drops a lot
11)Rod Gardner Car - worth a flier
12)Corey Bradford Hou - #2/3
13)Kevin Johnson Det - #3/4
14)Peerless Price Dal - useless
15)Dez White Atl - maybe a 3/4 guy...but hasnt done much
16)Koren Robinson Min - KR/2/3 if hes no longer insane
17)Quincy Morgan Pit - meh...good if you have 2 or 3 other guys
18)Az-Zhair Hakim NO - done
19)Tim Carter NYG - dont know enough
20)David Boston Mia - done
21)Ike Hillard TB - nearly done
22)Troy Brown NE - backup/lockerroom guy
23)Tim Dwight NE - KR/backup
24)Jerome Pathon Atl - finsished
25)Charles Lee Ari - who?
26)Marc Boerighter KC - random white guy #4 receiver
27)Reggie Swinton Ari - useless
28)Troy Walters Ind - ick
29)Patrick Johnson Bal - inactive for 14 of 16 games
RFA's
1)Brandon Lloyd SF - decent...makes crazy catches...drops easy ones
2)Patrick Crayton Dal - dont know enough
3)Nate Burleson Min - didnt pan out this year...needs more development
4)Eddie Drummond Det-KR - strictly KR
5)Kevin Walter Cin - backup right now
6)Shaun McDonald Stl - meh
7)Willie Ponder NYG - meh
8)Kevin Curtis Stl - real solid 3/4
9)Kelley Washington Cin - maybe a 2/3
10)David Tyree NYG - meh
11)Derick Armstrong Hou - meh
12)Kaseem Osgood SD - maybe a 3
13)Arnaz Battle SF - good 2/3...good special teamer as well...which many wrs wont/dont/cant do
14)Chris Horn KC - maybe a 3/4
15)Bryan Gilmore Mia -
Randle fargIN EL gets me excited. :paranoid
He versatile, fast as shtein and has proved to be a solid receiving threat. A receiver that can throw and return punts. I say we pick up him and Reggie Wayne and clear shop.
I agree with most of your "takes". The RFA's are not significantly better than the UFA's so I wouldn't bother with any of them. Moulds or Randle-El.
Jurevicius won't come here because we made fun of his dead baby.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 17, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
Jurevicius won't come here because we made fun of his dead baby.
And rightfully so. Stupid baby.
Jurevicius won't come here because we made fun of his dead baby.
that was like three years ago
Quote from: mussa on January 17, 2006, 01:08:07 PM
Randle fargIN EL gets me excited. :paranoid
He versatile, fast as shtein and has proved to be a solid receiving threat.
um....where exactly has he proven this??
he's never finished in the top 10 in any major category. has 1 100 yard game in his career, and has never started for a full season.
randel-el is nothing more than this years Az-Hakim...he is nothing.
i was surprised to see antonio bryant had a 1000 yard season in 05
still not sold as he is a little mental...but at the right price he is mos def someone to look at
Randle El is a good receiver on a team that never passes the ball (and when it does pass the ball it has tunnel vision focused on Ward). Saying he's never been in the top 10 in any category is one of the most worthless tidbits to throw into the conversation.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2006, 01:18:13 PM
i was surprised to see antonio bryant had a 1000 yard season in 05
still not sold as he is a little mental...but at the right price he is mos def someone to look at
Bryant's a very good player. The Eagles were scared away from him in the draft due to character issues, though.
At least he'd give a CHANCE to improve the WR corps if he was signed. I want either him, Moulds, Wayne, or Randle-el.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 17, 2006, 01:20:09 PM
Randle El is a good receiver on a team that never passes the ball (and when it does pass the ball it has tunnel vision focused on Ward). Saying he's never been in the top 10 in any category is one of the most worthless tidbits to throw into the conversation.
he's never been more than a #3. and i dont see anything to convince me that he'll be a #1 or #2 anywhere else.
I know he's mostly known for the one-handed catches, but Lloyd (http://49ers.com/team/playerinfo.asp?TeamRosterID=224) put up decent numbers for a brutal offense. I think the Eagles originally passed on him in 2003 because of character issues though...
Quote from: Wingspan on January 17, 2006, 01:29:49 PM
he's never been more than a #3. and i dont see anything to convince me that he'll be a #1 or #2 anywhere else.
well i'm sold.
I'll take Moulds, Givens, Wayne, Jerkinvicious, Randle El, Bryant. Not obtaining one of these is a failed WR offseason.
edit: as far as UFA goes.
Is Moulds a full-fledged ufa? I thought he was going to get released because of the problems in Buffalo. If so, he would be the best fit. He's in the kind of spot in his carrer where he would sign for less money here for the chance to win. not saying thats gonna happen, just thinking out of the "top" guys on the market, he would be the one to lean that way. you figure wayne will take the best deal out there, since this is his best shot at a mega deal. givens could do the same or he could go back to suck of brady and billicheck with everyone else in bastohn.
im all for moulds. but for not too much. a healthy mcnabb, improved reggie brown, returning stinkston, etc. are semi decent for offense. this team has loads of problems on both lines, at linebacker and at fullback. id much rather see those problems get fixed than break the bank on wayne or moulds. good thing andy thinks that way, too.
I think there are two different Randle El camps out there. The people who think he is a bigtime WR waiting to happen and will be a solid #1 with the Eagles. They are idiots. The other camp who would take Randle El, which is the boat im in, is the one who sees him as a solid upgrade over McMullen,G. Lewis and McCants. He is also a player who can help in the return department. Just an upgrade at the WR position, not a savior by any means. Glad we got that cleared up now.
Quote from: MURP on January 17, 2006, 01:45:16 PM
I think there are two different Randle El camps out there. The people who think he is a bigtime WR waiting to happen and will be a solid #1 with the Eagles. They are idiots. The other camp who would take Randle El, which is the boat im in, is the one who sees him as a solid upgrade over McMullen,G. Lewis and McCants. He is also a player who can help in the return department. Just an upgrade at the WR position, not a savior by any means. Glad we got that cleared up now.
I'm in the latter camp as well. Randle-el is not a #1.
I'll take Moulds, Givens, Wayne, Jerkinvicious, Randle El, Bryant. Not obtaining one of these is a failed WR offseason.
they dont have to get a number one for me to be happy...but they HAVE to get at a minimum a very good/great number two...if they upgraded at the number 3 spot as well id be absolutely estatic same for if they got a legit number one
edit: as far as UFA goes
the draft is irrelevant this year as far as wr's...whoever they may take in the draft would not help this team very much if at all as far as 06 is concerned
yeah I agree, I just meant I didnt take a look at RFA guys yet.
I think Givens, Wayne, Joe J, Randle El, or Bryant would be nice additions to have alongside Reggie Brown. If we can get another WR on the field to take some pressure of the kid he could really flourish.
I liked what I saw out of Givens against Denver and Jacksonville, big dude who's not afraid to go over the middle and make a tough catch.
If Moulds shakes lose, and the Birds don't make a run at him, I'd be seriously disappointed.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2006, 01:47:22 PM
they dont have to get a number one for me to be happy...but they HAVE to get at a minimum a very good/great number two..
I agree.
btw jurevicious is NOT a number two wr imo...hes a classic three who can make big catches if he isnt depended on for it
if they sign him it better be _________ and joe jurevicious
Quote from: MURP on January 17, 2006, 01:45:16 PM
I think there are two different Randle El camps out there. The people who think he is a bigtime WR waiting to happen and will be a solid #1 with the Eagles. They are idiots. The other camp who would take Randle El, which is the boat im in, is the one who sees him as a solid upgrade over McMullen,G. Lewis and McCants. He is also a player who can help in the return department. Just an upgrade at the WR position, not a savior by any means. Glad we got that cleared up now.
i honestly haven't heard anyone who thinks he can be a #1. i think people either think he's an upgrade over the current WRs or he's not. i really haven't heard any Randle El #1 talk
Quote from: MURP on January 17, 2006, 01:48:32 PMI didnt take a look at RFA guys yet.
Lloyd and possibly Washington are the only names that would really help us...
Lloyd seems really inconsistent. I'd pass.
i agree that they don't need a true #1, but imagine what Moulds would do for this offense. he pushes the other WR back into the roles that they are most effective in. a healthy McNabb with a WR corps of Moulds, Brown, Pinkston, Lewis, and with LJ and Westbrook would be a very effective offense.
Lloyd is a punk. Like IGY said he makes insane catches and then he'll drop 3 easy ones. He's got a little Pinky in him too (alligators).
I wouldn't mind Jurevicious as a #3. He'd kill in the slot & red-zone.
Kevin Curtis would also be a killer slot guy. He's fast as farg.
I want Eric Moulds. Antonio Bryant is a certified nutzo.
Reggie Brown
Antwan Randle-El
Kevin Curtis
Greg Lewis
Billy McMullen
I'd be happy with that WR corps if we couldn't land Moulds.
I'd be very happy to have Randle El, but not if they think he's the answer at WR. As others have said, he's the answer to McMullen/GLew/McCants. Their games are very different, so it's not fair to compare him to Pink, but even so, at his best I'm not sure Pink is better than Randle El. And I like Pink. Get Randle El!!
Regarding the other WR the Eagles should get in addition to Randle El, I say just go pay Moulds and be done with it.
Move on to LB and spend some money.
Moulds isn't going anywhere. He wants to finish his career in Buffalo and now that Donowho & McGillicuddy ;) are gone, he'll be more apt to take their money than he would otherwise.
Trust me, I know things.
taking a look at RFA, id like to get Kevin Curtis. Guy is a blazer and a playmaker. Just wonder if all the grass and no turf would neutralize him too much.
Quote from: MURP on January 17, 2006, 01:45:16 PM
I think there are two different Randle El camps out there. The people who think he is a bigtime WR waiting to happen and will be a solid #1 with the Eagles. They are idiots. The other camp who would take Randle El, which is the boat im in, is the one who sees him as a solid upgrade over McMullen,G. Lewis and McCants. He is also a player who can help in the return department. Just an upgrade at the WR position, not a savior by any means. Glad we got that cleared up now.
yea im with you on this. there's no studs available, so we have to take what we can get. getting randel el is an instant upgrade at WR and def a top 5 punt returner in the NFL. Plus options for fake plays, he can throw the ball. I am not syaing he's the man, but he's been very consistent and versatile for for Pittsburgh. He will immediately fill the huge void of punt returner and we will have a solid veteran receiver also. Not a bad idea in my book.
Other than him David Givens is a larger type receiver that I like and Reggie Wayne and Eric Moulds. Man if we can get any two of these players I would be creaming.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 17, 2006, 02:12:56 PM
Moulds isn't going anywhere. He wants to finish his career in Buffalo and now that Donowho & McGillicuddy ;) are gone, he'll be more apt to take their money than he would otherwise.
Trust me, I know things.
He will have a $10M+ cap number. It might not be his choice if he stays or not. Plus they are in man-love with Lee Evans.
A reasonably medicated/rehabbed Koren Robinson for cheap sounds interesting.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 02:17:24 PM
He will have a $10M+ cap number. It might not be his choice if he stays or not. Plus they are in man-love with Lee Evans.
He's certainly a monster in NFL 2k5. :paranoid
Yeah, he's a badass in Madden too. I traded TO to Buffalo for him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 17, 2006, 02:12:56 PM
Moulds isn't going anywhere. He wants to finish his career in Buffalo and now that Donowho & McGillicuddy ;) are gone, he'll be more apt to take their money than he would otherwise.
Trust me, I know things.
He will have a $10M+ cap number. It might not be his choice if he stays or not. Plus they are in man-love with Lee Evans.
After that POS scored three TD's for me against FF, I was a bit smitten with him meself.
:-D
Your team had a week or two of glory mixed in with all the ugliness. I still almost won that week, amazingly.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 02:39:23 PM
Yeah, he's a badass in Madden too. I traded TO to Buffalo for him.
I traded TO for Andre Johnson of Texans. :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 02:39:23 PM
Yeah, he's a badass in Madden too. I traded TO to Buffalo for him.
I had a fantasy draft and wound up with him and Boston as my starting WRs. Evans set a new record for single game yards with 350 and Boston went to the Pro Bowl as a punt returner.
Quote from: mussa on January 17, 2006, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 02:39:23 PM
Yeah, he's a badass in Madden too. I traded TO to Buffalo for him.
I traded TO for Andre Johnson of Texans. :-D
I did the same thing too, but also took their FB too, can't remember his name. For some strange reason, when I went back to check, TO hadn't accumulated a single stat on the season, and was back on the trade block. Guess he pissed off everyone in Houston too.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 17, 2006, 02:40:25 PM
Your team had a week or two of glory mixed in with all the ugliness. I still almost won that week, amazingly.
Yes but you didn't win, did you?
PS: I didn't pick the players on my team and I still stomped your ass. Homo.
:-D
PSS: Is Trent Green dead yet? I'd really like it if he were.
:fire
Quote from: General_Failure on January 17, 2006, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 02:39:23 PM
Yeah, he's a badass in Madden too. I traded TO to Buffalo for him.
I had a fantasy draft and wound up with him and Boston as my starting WRs. Evans set a new record for single game yards with 350 and Boston went to the Pro Bowl as a punt returner.
So you're the guy always checkin out that David Boston thread, eh? :D
His nipple rings give him super strength.
not good for the birds that there seems to be an inordinate amount of 'headcases' this year...right after the TO debacle
another potential high upside come cheap guy could be charles rogers...if detroit doesnt bring him back...which i dont think they will
but again off the field probs
Cris Carter had off-the-field problems out the kazoo but he went on to a HOF career.
Same goes for Jimmy Smith.
There's two ex-Eagles going to the HOF. Just once, I'd like the Eagles to take a chance on one of these guys with phenomenal talent and questionable character and have it work in their favor.
Wishful thinking, I suppose.
:P
Just once, I'd like the Eagles to take a chance on one of these guys with phenomenal talent and questionable character and have it work in their favor
i totally agree...but it would be a long shot for andy to go after someone like that under normal circumstances...after the TO thing you can pretty much cross all non choir boys off the wish list
Moulds, Wayne, Jurevicius, Bryant. In that order.
I don't want Randle El. He has the fumbles and drops balls. I like his speed, but I'm not sold on him yet. Give me Moulds first. I don't think Wayne will be worth the money he gets, but I also think he's better than Price... a lot better. I doubt he'd be a bust, but he won't put up TO numbers thats for sure.
Can we all just agree that Wayne isn't going to happen and take him out of this conversation?
I don't know about that. What if the Eagles really like him? If they do I'd see no reason why they wouldn't target him.
We can stop pretending Moulds is an option too. I wanted Jurevicious when he went to Tampa, and I don't think we're getting him now.
He'll cost a ton and Indy, if they're smart, should try to hang on to him even at the expense of Harrison if necessary. But carry on if you must.
My list:
Moulds, (Wayne), Randle-El, Bryant, Jurevicius
then just exchange Wayne and Harrison.
My rankings...because you care.
1. Eric Moulds
2. Antwaan Randle-El
3. Reggie Wayne
4. Kevin Curtis
5. Joe Jurevicius
The only reason Wayne is #3 is because, as I've said before I don't know what he can do sans Peyton, Harrison & Edge. Plus, I would like the Eagles to not spend $40M on a WR who we don't know if he can man up and be a 1. We need defensive help.
I would also LOVE to add David Tyree from the Giants. That guy is a monster on ST units. He wouldn't be in the WR mix, but think Dameane Douglas times 50 as a ST demon.
White WR's make me nervous. Plus, the Rams will put a high tender on Curtis, as Bruce is aging.
I'm still not, nor will I ever be sold on Randle El as a starting WR on the Eagles. Not with the current crop of recievers we have to choose from. Randle El seems to be a capable #2 although I think he's best suited at #3 and the Eagles have #3 recievers in bunches. Now if Randle El were starting opposite TO or a player of similar caliber, then yes. But we've already got that with Reggie Brown and/or Pinkston.
He would make a great addition to the return game but not at the price tag he's going to come with.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 17, 2006, 06:51:45 PM
White WR's make me nervous. Plus, the Rams will put a high tender on Curtis, as Bruce is aging.
IGY?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 06:49:18 PM
I would also LOVE to add David Tyree from the Giants. That guy is a monster on ST units. He wouldn't be in the WR mix, but think Dameane Douglas times 50 as a ST demon.
I thought the same thing when I saw Tyree's name on IGY's list...the man tears it up on ST, and would be a GREAT addition, if he came at a relatively reasonable price. Been a while since we stole someone good from the Giants...
Curtis' numbers were so good during Bruce's absence this season, I hadn't noticed he was a Caucasian until FF mentioned that earlier in this thread... :paranoid
Tyree is a might fine ST player. Didn't he have a pretty huge game (recieving) against the Eagles at the Linc back in 2003?
5 catches, 106 yards, long of 48. His first catches of the season, and in November.
Yep, that's the game. I was there. With KoRn. :paranoid
The only problem with getting a hold of him would be the Eagles have no 6th round pick to give up for him (assuming the Jints give him the low tender).
They'd have to acquire a 6th rounder before going after him.
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
4th (from Dallas)
4th (From Indy)
5th
No 6th (to DAL)
7th
We could probably trade Pinky for a 6.
The Eagles couldn't trade Pink for a raging case of hemorrhoids.
The Eagles? No, I meant this message board. We could trade him ourselves for a 6th round pick in the draft.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 07:27:55 PM
The only problem with getting a hold of him would be the Eagles have no 6th round pick to give up for him (assuming the Jints give him the low tender).
They'd have to acquire a 6th rounder before going after him.
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
4th (from Dallas)
4th (From Indy)
5th
No 6th (to DAL)
7th
I always forget.
Three fourth round picks. It's going to be another good draft :yay
Quote from: General_Failure on January 17, 2006, 07:33:37 PM
The Eagles? No, I meant this message board. We could trade him ourselves for a 6th round pick in the draft.
Yeah, we couldn't get a raging case of hemmorhoids for him either dude. And that's a good thing.
Roids? No. I bet we could trade him for a puppy, then use the puppy to pick up chicks.
White WR's make me nervous
racist?
Nothing keeps racism alive and well like bringing it up all the time! Yay!
As a side note, white receivers suck.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 17, 2006, 08:06:20 PM
Roids? No. I bet we could trade him for a puppy, then use the puppy to pick up chicks.
And then possibly get herpes. :(
Outside of the glaring need for a decent wide receiver on this team, why do you all think we'll be getting one in FA?
"We're fine with the guys we have here." Book it.
I loved watching McMushmouth on those crossing routes this season, and it'll be making me laugh/cry next season too.
They'll upgrade the WRs. No way they go into next season without a new one in there somewhere.
I don't doubt that. But I think it'll be in the draft, not FA. There is no "game-breaker" in FA this year ala TO.
We stood pat with Thrash and Pinkston after the TB CG loss for the same reason.
I wouldn't mind getting one in the draft, but they have to take care of the other needs in free agency first.
since there are no certifiable #1 out there i really want at least 2 WRs added....like say Moulds and Randle El....solidfies the WR corps and our non existant PR/KR unit.
but even say they want after only moulds or wayne i think we can have a solid WR corps assuming Pinskton is healthy and Brown actually develops into what we think he can.....then hopefully we can move/mold Moats into PR/KR.
Eric Moulds + Eagles current WR's = solid corps
#1 Moulds - proven to handle it.
#2 Brown - Prime spot to continue to grow.
#3 Lewis/Pinky - proven that's all he's capable of./ Still sees the field as a deep threat if healthy.
#4 McMullen - Spot duty.
The prescence of Moulds prevents anyone (from top to bottom) on the WR corps to be pushed into a role that they're not ready to handle. If that $10 million shakes him lookse in Buffalo... we need to snag him.
It's going to be another good draft
link?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2006, 07:52:37 AM
It's going to be another good draft
link?
Hasn't been funny since the first time you posted it. Keep trying though. :boo
come on now i know you are smarter than that...its not supposed to funny dook...its a metaphor for how do you know this years draft will be good and what was the other draft so good that you can be sure that this year will be another one
Actually, it isn't a metaphor in any way, shape or form. "IGY is a vast sea of self-important negativity" is a metaphor.
smarty pants
The mere thought of Randle El in green gives me wood. He catches everything his way, has good size, and has the wheels to give us the deep threat we lacked this year, thus allowing us to cut Pinky. Plus he can return kicks and is probably a better backup QB than any of the other clowns we have at the moment.
2006 Eagles WR corps: Brown, Randle El, Lewis, mid-round draft pick, McCants/McMullen/Jenkins
He doesn't catch everything his way. The main issue with him is his hands. He has the fumbles and the butterfingers a little bit.