http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/13586253.htm
The Eagles may not release Terrell Owens after all.
Instead, they want to trade the star wide receiver coach Andy Reid banished from the team in early November, and they believe they have a decent chance to do so.
A league source said today that the Eagles plan to give Owens' agent Drew Rosenhaus permission tomorrow to seek a trade for the receiver. The source said multiple teams have expressed interest in Owens, including the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Jets.
Rosenhaus, who was not immediately available for comment, has orchestrated trades before, including the deal that sent running back Clinton Portis from Denver to Washington for cornerback Champ Bailey before the 2004 season and the one that sent running back Reuben Droughns from Denver to Cleveland for defensive linemen Ebenezer Ekuban and Michael Myers before this season.
Exactly what the Eagles can get for Owens will depend on a couple of things. The primary one is the level of interest teams such as the Bucs and Jets have in the controversial wide receiver.
Owens infuriated the Eagles during his second season with the team after his attempt to renegotiate a seven-year contract was rejected.
If multiple teams want Owens badly enough, it would obviously increase the value of what the Eagles could get in return.
The other key factor is whether the interested teams can negotiate a new deal with the receiver. There was some thought that Owens might have to sign a short-term deal with a modest signing bonus that is loaded with incentives. But there's obvious interest in his immense talent even after his disruptive behavior with the Eagles led to his dismissal from the team.
Despite playing in only seven games, Owens still led the Eagles with 763 receiving yards and six touchdown receptions.
Owens received $8.5 million in bonus money after he joined the Eagles in 2004. His relationship with the team turned sour in the off-season because he felt this year's $3.25 million salary was not sufficient compensation for his performance during his first season with the team. Owens fired former agent David Joseph in late March and hired Rosenhaus, triggering months of controversy that eventually led to him being suspended without pay and essentially thrown off the team.
Arbitrator Richard Bloch denied a grievance filed by the NFL Players Association on Owens' behalf in November, which cost the receiver nearly $765,000 in pay. Another grievance has since been filed by the NFLPA on Owens' behalf because the team is trying to recover $1.725 million in bonus money.
The Eagles believe Owens violated the terms of his contract when he failed to show up at a mandatory post-draft camp last April.
The Eagles withheld Owens's pay for the final five games and counted it against that money. A hearing date has not yet been scheduled for that grievance, and none is expected at least until later in the year.
Tampa Bay, which was shut down by the Washington taterskins during its wildcard playoff loss on Saturday, would have an explosive receiving tandem with the addition of Owens. Speedster Joey Galloway led the Bucs with a career-high 1,287 receiving yards and 10 touchdowns, but Tampa Bay still finished 25th in the league in passing yards.
The Jets, meanwhile, ranked 28th in passing, although much of their problem revolved around the fact that they did not have a suitable replacement once starting quarterback Chad Pennington went down.
Whatever the Eagles could get for Owens would certainly be better than getting nothing, which, in retrospect, is what they gave up to get him.
When the Eagles acquired Owens in a controversial three-team trade that followed an arbitration hearing at the University of Pennsylvania, they gave the San Francisco 49ers defensive end Brandon Whiting and the Baltimore Ravens a fifth-round pick.
Whiting, unable to overcome a serious shoulder injury, is out of football. The Ravens traded the fifth-round pick they got from the Eagles to the Miami Dolphins, who selected Tony Bua, a safety who finished the season as a member of the Cincinnati Bengals' practice squad.
Does anyone think there is ANY way the Eagles can find a team that will trade for him?
why would a team want to trade for him, when they know the Eagles are going to cut his ass? It's not like you'd save any money since he wants a new deal anyways. Supply & demand is a bitch.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 09, 2006, 06:22:20 PM
why would a team want to trade for him, when they know the Eagles are going to cut his ass? It's not like you'd save any money since he wants a new deal anyways. Supply & demand is a bitch.
The one advantage would be that they'd just be re-negotiating his deal with him, rather than being forced into a bidding war with other teams for his services. Might be worth giving up something for. We're going to cut him anyway, so even if all we can get is a 7th-round pick then why not take it?? Plus, it would let the Eagles control where he ends up, send him out of the division and preferably out of the conference (seeing him go to the Jets and getting knocked out for the year in the Birds-Jets preseason game would be awesome).
I'm not sure, but they said teams were interested.
The Jets traded for Coles when they knew he'd be cut by Washington if he wasn't traded. Also wasn't Keyshawn in the same situation but Dallas traded for him as well?
Maybe we can get McCareins or Coles from the Jets or Michael Clayton from the Bucs. That would be nice.
Got this from Spews section:
QuoteNo problem. I would guess that the Eagles will try to trade him and if there are no takers, then they will release him. I think you always want to see if you can get something for somebody if you intend to release him ...
Maybe there is some interest out there. If we can get anything for him - even a late round pick - I'd call it a steal.
I agree with Philly Forever...you basically secure the chance to deal with him instead of hoping you're one of the teams he'll deal with when he's cut.
It can actually be better than a 7th if its a matter of security.
If we they get anything, a sixth rounder, a seventh rounder, a polaroid of a cheerleader's crotch, one baked potato from Wendy's, whatever, it will be a freaking goldmine compared to what I expect the to get for him.
Great. Now I'm hungry for a baked potato.
Of the four things I listed there, the baked potato isn't tops of what I'm hungry for. Just sayin'.
If we were talking about an actual cheerleader to go with her actual crotch, I might be with you. But a fuzzy polaroid doesn't do much for me. Not as much as a baked potato, at least.
Touché
and here i assumed rjs wanted to snuggle up with David Bergeron
Quote from: Philly Forever on January 09, 2006, 06:20:46 PMDoes anyone think there is ANY way the Eagles can find a team that will trade for him?
Sure. People are idiots. Denver fell for Maurice Clarett. Some idiot will take Marcus Herpes. Why not? Jets fans are so goddamned desperate right now, they'd probably praise the addition, despite the fact they can't afford their own broken quarterback.
The Eagles would maintain some control over him which, in addition to serving their material interests, must also gratify them as a last way to lord their moral authority over the piece of shtein who caused them so much pain.
I'll tell you this. If I were Lurie--so loaded I couldn't dream of how to spend my money--I'd retire the motherfarger, just to make a point. Pay him his bonus and bench him. Tell the idiot coach: you've got to make a team with one less roster spot for a while. Deal with it, fat boy.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 09, 2006, 07:55:47 PM
I'll tell you this. If I were Lurie--so loaded I couldn't dream of how to spend my money--I'd retire the motherfarger, just to make a point. Pay him his bonus and bench him. Tell the idiot coach: you've got to make a team with one less roster spot for a while. Deal with it, fat boy.
That's the next level of spiteful that's really missing from this oganization. Huzzah!
Fat Lenny P sez "no chance...just a formality" (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2286115)
well no shtein sherlock, but like I said, even a side of fries would be remarkable. gotta try.
Great. Now I never had to fix the front page. :yay
[phattymatt]I can't believe Terrell Owens got traded! I can't find the news anywhere but here! Amazing![/phattymatt]
So, is it then correct that whomever might be willing to trade for Owens' rights would either have to:
1) Agree to pay him the $7.5 million bonus, and the Eagles take no additional cap hit? Or,
2) Reach an agreement with Owens before the trade occurs to restructure his deal, which he would need to sign immediately following a trade (or, at least before March 2nd)?
And, all of this has to happen before March 2nd? And, when can players begin to be traded again, since the trade deadline passed in October? Is it right after the Super Bowl?
Wish I could see this happening, but I don't...no way, no how.
Get the Jets on the phone. TO for Abraham, straight up. Holla.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 09, 2006, 06:55:03 PM
Maybe we can get McCareins or Coles from the Jets or Michael Clayton from the Bucs. That would be nice.
If the Bucs offer anyone it would probably be Galloway. Clayton is much too young to give up on
I was baffled by the trade talk because the league'moratorium on trades isn't lifted until March 3rd when FA starts and thus the "new league year". But in Lenny's article is states that his first portion of the RB isn't due until March 5th - two days after the market opens.
So they'd consummate a deal now and then it would be official on March 3rd, I guess.
But I doubt they'll get much for him, if anything at all. Granted making a trade would guarantee that team they have Owens, but if their GM is smart he'd wait for him to hit the open market. Why? Because the last time Owens was traded he pulled the "I never had my right to free agency and had to take the deal they Eagles forced on me" garbage.
No GM would want that situation arising again. Unless he's a dumbass.
If the Jets are truly interested, remember they have an extra pick now from KC.
And to see TO in NY with Pennington would be funny. TO said on that FunkmasterFlex show back in the summer that he'd like to play with Chad. Wait until he sees the lack of arm strength by that guy. :-D
interesting. wonder why they think they have any chance what so ever. if they don't trade him he's getting cut obviously. maybe their hoping a team will want him bad enough to jump the gun to make sure no one else gets him.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on January 09, 2006, 08:38:02 PM
So, is it then correct that whomever might be willing to trade for Owens' rights would either have to:
1) Agree to pay him the $7.5 million bonus, and the Eagles take no additional cap hit? Or,
2) Reach an agreement with Owens before the trade occurs to restructure his deal, which he would need to sign immediately following a trade (or, at least before March 2nd)?
And, all of this has to happen before March 2nd? And, when can players begin to be traded again, since the trade deadline passed in October? Is it right after the Super Bowl?
Wish I could see this happening, but I don't...no way, no how.
The league year starts on March 3rd, when FAs can be pursued and trades can happen once again. His roster bonus isn't due until March 6th. There's a few things to look at in this scenario:
1)Depending on how the playoffs shake out, there might be a team out there that feels they're only 1 big play guy away from the Super Bowl. How do you think Gruden feels after basically having nothing to take advantage of a poor Skins secondary on Saturday? They MIGHT NOT WANT to take the chance that they'll be outbid in the FA market for his services.
2)Perhaps, and I'm saying this is a BIG IF, Rosenhaus has been discreetly asking around and found out that because of his actions (and the wording of the arbitrator's decsion), Owens WON'T SNIFF NEARLY 8.2M NEXT SEASON, and his only way of getting a good cut of the pie is with a renegotiaion, which could only take place with a trade.
3)This is basically the same scenario that unfolded in SF, but I believe the Eagles would handle it a lot better than the 49ers did. They gave Owens a chance to make his own deal, and the Eagles and Joseph had agreed to a renegotiated deal. The only thing in this case would be for the Eagles to AGREE COMPENSATION WITH THE OTHER TEAM beofre Owens agrees to a new contract with them. No snafus like the SF deal.
4)Denver is a highly likely choice as well. They have an extra 1st and 4th, courtesy of the Skins.
No farging way this happens. Any GM would have to be out of his gourd to trade for this guy, knowing he'll become available 3 days after FA opens. The bidding war will have a short list, and no one is going to pay big bucks to watch that icehole destroy their lockerroom.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 09, 2006, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on January 09, 2006, 06:20:46 PMDoes anyone think there is ANY way the Eagles can find a team that will trade for him?
Sure. People are idiots. Denver fell for Maurice Clarett. Some idiot will take Marcus Herpes. Why not? Jets fans are so goddamned desperate right now, they'd probably praise the addition, despite the fact they can't afford their own broken quarterback.
The Eagles would maintain some control over him which, in addition to serving their material interests, must also gratify them as a last way to lord their moral authority over the piece of shtein who caused them so much pain.
I'll tell you this. If I were Lurie--so loaded I couldn't dream of how to spend my money--I'd retire the motherfarger, just to make a point. Pay him his bonus and bench him. Tell the idiot coach: you've got to make a team with one less roster spot for a while. Deal with it, fat boy.
Could'nt have said it any better myself. That's exactly what I'd love to see happen.
Quote from: Syracuse on January 10, 2006, 08:16:29 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 09, 2006, 07:55:47 PM
I'll tell you this. If I were Lurie--so loaded I couldn't dream of how to spend my money--I'd retire the motherfarger, just to make a point. Pay him his bonus and bench him. Tell the idiot coach: you've got to make a team with one less roster spot for a while. Deal with it, fat boy.
Could'nt have said it any better myself. That's exactly what I'd love to see happen.
Where have I heard this before (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=15974.msg296367#msg296367)...oh yeah:
Quote from: Cerevant
For my part, I think the Eagles should eat the money and end his farging career. Let him sit on the bench for 7 years.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 10, 2006, 08:10:17 AM
No farging way this happens. Any GM would have to be out of his gourd to trade for this guy, knowing he'll become available 3 days after FA opens. The bidding war will have a short list, and no one is going to pay big bucks to watch that icehole destroy their lockerroom.
Think of this though, if he hits the FA market, and you feel your team is in dire need of a number one receiver, a big play threat, what are your options? Reggie Wayne?? The Draft?? I hate to say it, but if TO hits the FA market, I really think the offers will pile up, and there are teams who will try to lock him up so he doesn't get loose and start a bidding war. The Eagles are smart to at least try this, and I really think they will at least
get something out of this debacle. farg, even if it is a late round pick, it's better than a total loss.
Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me...
I wonder if any of the GM's out there contemplating signing that horse's ass are familiar with the saying above?
Probably not.
theres a slighty higher chance that the eagles trade TO than take him back on the team
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2006, 10:41:32 AM
Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me...
I wonder if any of the GM's out there contemplating signing that horse's ass are familiar with the saying above?
Probably not.
and how many teams are saying, "DAMN, we havent made the playoffs in x-years. we need to do something, now...let's take a chance".
It worked for the Eagles...albeit for less than a year.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2006, 10:41:32 AM
Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me...
I wonder if any of the GM's out there contemplating signing that horse's ass are familiar with the saying above?
Probably not.
No. He will play somewhere. People think he will be on his best behavior.
But at 32, he's pretty much not going to change. He's an ass for life.
Quote from: dis12 on January 10, 2006, 11:30:05 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2006, 10:41:32 AM
Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me...
I wonder if any of the GM's out there contemplating signing that horse's ass are familiar with the saying above?
Probably not.
and how many teams are saying, "DAMN, we havent made the playoffs in x-years. we need to do something, now...let's take a chance".
It worked for the Eagles...albeit for less than a year.
The Eagles had made the playoffs for four consecutive seasons prior to signing T.O.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 10, 2006, 08:10:17 AM
No farging way this happens. Any GM would have to be out of his gourd to trade for this guy, knowing he'll become available 3 days after FA opens. The bidding war will have a short list, and no one is going to pay big bucks to watch that icehole destroy their lockerroom.
I don't know about that. The thing is there are too many guys out there that see the production that he still brings at the position and they fool themselves into thinking, "I can handle this guy. I'll do so and so different from what the Eagles and Niners did and things should work out OK."
I mean... when we were right in the thick of it, you had ESPN and NFL Network asking every Coach/GM/Player under the sun what they would do in the situation with him. While most seemed to side with the Eagles, a whole lot of them came off as though they could do a better job. Out of 29 teams (excluding the Eagles, Niners and maybe the Ravens), I don't think it's crazy to think that maybe 4-6 could be really interested in Owens. That's enough for a bonafide "bidding war" right there. It's also not crazy to think that of those 4-6 teams, at least one would try to beat the others to the punch and pull off a trade.
I'm not saying we end up with a 1st rounder or anywhere close to it, but I don't think a 4th is that much of a stretch... and considering we only gave up a 5th and a player who's out of the league now... not too shabby.
On the NFL channel (Sirius) they asked Gruden about the ESPN report the Bucs are interested in TO. He said he doesn't watch TV and that he's not commenting on a player under contract (guess he doesn't know he's free to seek a trade ???) Rhonde Barber said he doesn't see Owens changing his tude from last season and thinks he'll have the same problems in Tampa.
I wish the Barbers weren't such normal dudes. It would make it a lot easier to hate them as much as I do.
eagle fans now sound eerily like 49er fans did when TO was coming to philly
in other words any of you that say TO will implode next year is wrong...TO will be fine wherever he plays next year...its after that where you gotta worry
QuoteA T.O. Trade Would Be Best Thing For All
January 10, 2006
He is on the market. Now Terrell Owens will find out what kind of magic his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, can muster by working out a trade with any NFL team.
That is the news here now. According to reports, the Eagles have given Rosenhaus permission to seek a trade for Owens, to engineer a best-case-scenario move.
There is bound to be interest. Why not? Owens is the best receiver in the business, no question about it, and any team looking to bolster its offense might well want to take a look.
We've heard the buzz for weeks and months. Teams want Owens. Teams want his enormous talent and are of the believe that he would fit into their team structure and their offensive system.
It's an interesting twist for those who thought the Eagles would simply release Owens prior to the March date when he's due a $2.5 million signing bonus and $5 million roster bonus. In all, according to reports, Owens is due $8.27 million in 2006.
That's a tasty number, one that might be difficult to attain in free agency. If Rosenhaus is as good as he says he is, then he should be able to find suitors and work out a deal. What would it take for the Eagles to trade Owens? That's a question I can't even come close to answering with any accuracy.
This is one of the many twists and turns the off-season is bound to take, one of the stories to watch, one of the many personnel comings and goings to keep an eye on.
The Terrell Owens story in Philadelphia is not yet complete. The time is ticking, however, with Rosenhaus in control of the wheel for the next couple of months.
Well, that's the point IGY, isn't it? What TO really wants is guaranteed money - i.e. signing bonus. No one is going to want to dump out a 5-10MM bonus to be spread over several years if they know he'll go nuts after season one. That means a roster bonus. How many teams have the space to eat a bonus like that next year?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 10, 2006, 01:36:37 PM
On the NFL channel (Sirius) they asked Gruden about the ESPN report the Bucs are interested in TO. He said he doesn't watch TV and that he's not commenting on a player under contract (guess he doesn't know he's free to seek a trade ???) Rhonde Barber said he doesn't see Owens changing his tude from last season and thinks he'll have the same problems in Tampa.
Donovan Darius S of the Jags was on ESPN Radio yesterday and was presented with the same question. He said he would prefer not to have TO as the Jags are a tight group, like a family and as great as TO is they can't afford any disruptions in team chemistry with such a young team.
TO wants to play with Pennington? :-D And he ripped Garcia about his arm strength. Jeez ::)
If Coles and Keyshawn weren't traded I wouldn't think this had any chance to happen. Last year there were stories breaking left and right about how the taterskins were just going to cut the unhappy Coles if they can't find a deal for him. It's basically the same situation. Why would a team trade for someone they know will be cut and why would they take on that current contract?
The only thing I can think of and it's been said before is that one team wants to take care of their receiver issues as soon as possible and guarantee themselves TO so they can focus on the rest of the offseason. Another reason might be that teams fear giving a player like TO a low level contract because of him blowing up down the road. If he's bitching about his current contract imagine what he'd do with one a lot worse than the current one. Then again they could just give him a one year deal to avoid future blow ups, but he may not be content with that.
Freak, you're saying the Jets could offer us their 4th? I'd be estatic with that (moreso a 3rd, but hey - that's delusional).
I don't watch ESPN a lot because it's animated shtein...but I was flipping around and that black dude that's on that show on ESPN with the mute button (around the horn?) said don't be surprised if K.C., now with Herm, goes after TO. Herm loves game breakers, played for the Eagles (don't know if that's relevant), and is a players coach. K.C. has always been missing that stud WR (who needs Marvin?)...so...whatever.
This off-season is making me go farging crazy.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on January 10, 2006, 05:02:50 PM
This off-season is making me go farging crazy.
Well don't worry, it will be over in only 8 months!
Quote from: rjs246 on January 10, 2006, 01:37:52 PM
I wish the Barbers weren't such normal dudes. It would make it a lot easier to hate them as much as I do.
They're twins. That means they're not normal no matter how normal they are.
Quote from: methdeez on January 10, 2006, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on January 10, 2006, 05:02:50 PM
This off-season is making me go farging crazy.
Well don't worry, it will be over in only 8 months!
Nonsense. There is no offseason in the NFL, that's what's farging awesome about it.
An article written with the sole intention of giving false hope to legions of Eagles fans... (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jimmy_traina/01/12/the.rant/index.html)
you mean the birds might land Manny Rameriz?!
Nick Saban made a few comments about getting him, but Chambers and McMichael have already taken an anti-TO stance....
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 19, 2006, 11:38:58 AM
Nick Saban made a few comments about getting him, but Chambers and McMichael have already taken an anti-TO stance....
Jason Taylor took the same stance a few months ago.
Saban might be the biggest ego maniac in the NFL. He could give two shteins what his players say.
Is Saban tampering with those comments?
i dont' think Saban referred to TO directly, as much as responded to the question with he'd be willing to look at any playmakers who will make the team better.
As for tampering, i doubt the Eagles would give a shtein. They're in the AFC and not on the schedule next year.
Can't something be done about Rosenslut?
>:(
Since the Eagles gave permission to seek a trade, the tampering thing is pretty much void. Not that it mattered all that much before that.
Yeah, I didn't expect the Eagles to do anything. I was just wondering. The "seeking a trade" thing slipped my mind, though.
Quote from: SheEagle on January 19, 2006, 01:23:34 PM
Can't something be done about Rosenslut?
>:(
We're figuring out a way to throw him into the sun.
Do you guys STILL think it's impossible for them to get anything for Owens? Jets, Dolphins, and Bucs have publicly declared their love for him--it's rumored in Denver the Broncos want to get him AND Ricky Williams. Question is, WHICH TEAM is going to get nervous and pull the trigger, afraid that they might be outbid if he hits the open market?
I think it's very possible that someone would give up a late round draft pick.
Quote from: SheEagle on January 19, 2006, 01:23:34 PM
Can't something be done about Rosenslut?
>:(
Maybe we can hire Chuck Norris.
If TO could generate a bidding war, why would he/Rosenhaus want a trade?
If Denver wins the Superbowl they won't want him.
Here's what the Birds should trade TO for: TJ Duckett, some draft picks, and some cash! Don't think I'm crazy, even though TJ's numbers aren't all that impressive, I still think he has a making of a Bettis-type RB: big, powerful, but quick. If the Birds don't get him, then it's a major dissapointment to be a fan.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 19, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
If TO could generate a bidding war, why would he/Rosenhaus want a trade?
What I'm thinking is that the Eagles have let Rosenhaus and Owens test the waters to see how much they can get--I don't expect, even with incentives, any team will pay Owens what he would have gotten from the Eagles, especially with the CBA up in the air and any incentives would have to count in this year's cap. And some team who was close might not like their chances of landing him if he winds up in the open market, so they can deal a low round pick to rewrite his contract.
Ed, I'm blaming you now.
Not one of mine! :-D
Quote from: wanderer34 on January 23, 2006, 07:32:57 PM
If the Birds don't get him, then it's a major dissapointment to be a fan.
Wow, that's so true. The fate of this team rides on whether or not they acquire TJ Duckett and if they don't all hope is lost.
lol....when's the last time an NFL trade included "cash?"
I think the Gruden "trade" from Oakland included cash. :paranoid
For a player, doof.
So....with Denver choking the AFCCG away at home, is there any extra incentive to go after TO now?
More than if they didn't....even though WR didn't seem to be the problem. Is Rod Smith coming back next year?
i'm TO wouldn't cause any problems on a team that runs the ball more than they throw and a QB that is mistake prone.
TO had the perfect situation here, last year, and he was bitching about it after he got hurt.
Tom Nalen, Jake Plummer, Gerard Warren, John Lynch, Al Wilson, Champ Bailey and Keith Burns all are pimping TO to Denver management according to Mike Miss. He read a quoate from Nalen saying that they could keep TO in check.
here is the article about that. link (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_3430927)
Quote from: Nalenwe could keep TO in check.
:-D
eagles raiders superbowl highlites on espn now
Quote"If it would work anywhere, I think it would work here because of the guys in the locker room," Nalen said. "Guys would keep him straight ... I think he'd conform. He'd fit in here."
Famous last words.
The funny thing is that there's a guy in half the NFL locker rooms saying the same exact thing.
yeah, and Nalen is a FA.
I wouldn't trade the prick I'd leave him on the sidelines for another season. He screwed us this season! Rosenhaus should be sacked if TO had a brain of his own. Rosenhaus for President!(All pricks get there)
Rick Riley (Sports Illustrated) just said on ESPN Radio that he talked to Mike Shanahan about a month ago about the possibility of TO winding up on the Broncos roster. Shanahan said something to the effect of, "look at my roster right now. do you see any Drew Rosenhaus clients?" Apparently, Mike wants nothing to do with Rosenhaus clients. The last one he had was Clinton Portis, who was shipped to DC.
my only question is, what happens if TO drops Drew as his agent? Would Shanahan still gamble on him?
I'm sure a lot more teams would.
He might even end up back here.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 25, 2006, 02:47:21 PM
He might even end up back here.
Go Away - don't even say that :boom
No farging way TO is back next year. Give me a break.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 25, 2006, 02:56:14 PM
No farging way TO is back next year. Give me a break.
yeah, what he said.
this is still being talked about because???
Because it's the offseason and we can only pretend to read so many scouting reports.
I think the reason is that most of us would rather waste time waxing about the NFL offseason than participating in a $20pp fantasy golf league. Holla.
fantasty golf is only about 6 or 7 items from the bottom of things i would do in spare time. all of the items below it would probably get filtered out on this site, and not in a good way
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 25, 2006, 03:13:38 PM
I think the reason is that most of us would rather waste time waxing about the NFL offseason than participating in a $20pp fantasy golf league. Holla.
They have those?
Wow...that sounds like the most leastest fun thing ever.
Quote from: methdeez on January 25, 2006, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 25, 2006, 03:13:38 PM
I think the reason is that most of us would rather waste time waxing about the NFL offseason than participating in a $20pp fantasy golf league. Holla.
They have those?
Wow...that sounds like the most leastest fun thing ever.
IGY is running one. Check out the fantasy/contests board.
Quote from: methdeez on January 25, 2006, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 25, 2006, 03:13:38 PM
I think the reason is that most of us would rather waste time waxing about the NFL offseason than participating in a $20pp fantasy golf league. Holla.
They have those?
Wow...that sounds like the most leastest fun thing ever.
it's just above reading one of your posts
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 25, 2006, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: methdeez on January 25, 2006, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 25, 2006, 03:13:38 PM
I think the reason is that most of us would rather waste time waxing about the NFL offseason than participating in a $20pp fantasy golf league. Holla.
They have those?
Wow...that sounds like the most leastest fun thing ever.
it's just above reading one of your posts
At least my posts are short.
sun mo is a HUGE fantasy golfer
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2006, 05:08:06 PM
sun mo is HUGE fantasy golfer
i'm on 52 teams on 3 different continents
I thought it was 3 teams on 52 continents.
TO can go anywhere and be successful.
For one season.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 25, 2006, 05:12:58 PM
I thought it was 3 teams on 52 continents.
no, that would be silly
I'm in Colorado on business and last night the Denver CBS affiliate did a fan poll on TO joining the Broncos.
Results:
65% said NO!
I love it.
Too bad the fans don't really have a say in what happens....
I was in the Denver area the last couple nights and saw that same thing. My first thought was "I remember how estatic the Philly fans were when the Eagles signed him. That worked out well."
Quote from: Don Ho on January 25, 2006, 07:01:48 PM
I'm in Colorado on business and last night the Denver CBS affiliate did a fan poll on TO joining the Broncos.
Results:
65% said NO!
I love it.
I'd like to see that same poll the day after they got him.
TO, Rosenpuke and Shanahan sit down and talk (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2312714)
Quote"If it would work anywhere, I think it would work here because of the guys in the locker room," Nalen said. "Guys would keep him straight ... I think he'd conform. He'd fit in here. He'd fit into any offense. He's a great player."
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Too bad they won't trade Ashley Lelie to us for TO. At least it'd be something in return besides a 4th round pick or whatever they want to give up.
The Broncos...well, there's a shocker.
I don't particularly want Ashlie Lelie but like I've said a million times, if the Eagles get ANYTHING for him, I'll be stunned, so Lelie would count as something.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 30, 2006, 09:39:57 PM
TO, Rosenpuke and Shanahan sit down and talk (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2312714)
Here's all you need to know:
QuoteBeyond confirming the meeting, Rosenhaus declined to comment.
Next Qustion!!
Quote"If somebody handles himself the right way they could come into the organization, but they're going to have to live by the standards we practice," Shanahan said.
:-D Put the pipe down Mike. And while you're at it, confiscate this guy's pipe too. ....
QuoteSome veterans, most notably center Tom Nalen, told The Denver Post they could see a scenario in which Owens could be absorbed into the Broncos locker room.
"If it would work anywhere, I think it would work here because of the guys in the locker room," Nalen said. "Guys would keep him straight ... I think he'd conform. He'd fit in here. He'd fit into any offense. He's a great player."
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Remember these comments?
Quote"To be somewhere where I'm happy and I'm wanted. Somewhere where they're giving me my respect and giving me what I deserve. If I weren't performing at a high level, I wouldn't ask or feel that I deserve more than I'm worth. You put hard work in, you expect to get something in return. That's how I see it."
Denver?
With Jake Plummer throwing ground balls all day long??
Buwah!
Good luck, Crackbaby. I hope that mountain air does wonders for your many, many personalities.
Any team dumb enough to use a first-day pick on Maurice Clarett...
They are going to make the same mistake as the Eagles. Meet with him to get on the same page.
TO can't be controlled. He's going to blow up, and they are too naive to see it. I don't give a damn whether he goes there or not. The only circumstance that I will care is if the Broncos wanted to trade for him. If not, and he becomes a free agent, then see ya.
The TO Luvfest is starting (http://=ttp://www.broncosfreak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14311)
It's kind of funny because at first, a bunch of people were saying they didn't want him. Then it turned to "Well, as long as he plays well." and then it became "We have a strong enough locker room to keep him in check." From there it was "TO will get us to the next level." and ultimately people started photoshopping pics of him in Broncos jerseys and lining up to have his man babies.
TO to Denver would be a good fit. The Donkey's emblem would be a good fit for the biggest jackass in the NFL.
TO=GQ's Most Hated Athlete (http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/philly/sports/football/13723696.htm?source=rss&channel=philly_football)
It's funny and more than a little sad to read some of that. It's almost like a carbon copy of what was written here and other Eagles message boards nearly two years ago.
Looking back, I can't believe how desperate we (and by we I mean me mostly) were to believe that he was the answer to our prayers.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2006, 10:37:35 PM
It's funny and more than a little sad to read some of that. It's almost like a carbon copy of what was written here and other Eagles message boards nearly two years ago.
Looking back, I can't believe how desperate we (and by we I mean me mostly) were to believe that he was the answer to our prayers.
It was kind of a "Fool me once' thing when he came to Philly imo. The 9ers were a floundering franchise, his QB sucked and he was the most talented reciever in the game. So we Eagles fans bought into it. We knew the type of competitor he was on the field and we figured his personality "defects" were simply the product of a poor working environment.
Couple that with the fact that the Eagles were desperate for a reciever and yeah, we were willing to believe anything. And I think that's ok. Desperation will do that to ya.
But the fact that Denver fan is drooling over him is going to turn into a "Fool me twice" deal.
I'd tell them to learn from the Eagles mistakes. But truth be told, I want to see the organization, players and fans all open their arms up wide for TO just so he can bend them over and farg them without even giving them a reach around.
Denver fans are the AFC's version of Cowboys fans and I hope they choke to death on TO's wang.
Wonder if TO watched Plummer's AFC Championship performance? ???
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 30, 2006, 10:57:55 PM
Wonder if TO watched Plummer's AFC Championship performance? ???
He was watching a non-stop loop of his boost mobile commercial. Still is actually.
Response of a Denver fan on another board I visit:
Quote
I don't know if Shanahan has that ability or not. It's a good veteran clubhouse, though.
As far as Plummer goes, I've never been a big fan, but he improved this year over previous seasons. With a better running game (another big need), Owens, and an upgrade at tight end, they might have a shot to be as good next year as they were this year.
The Broncos are in desperate need of a top notch wide receiver, and that's what Owens is.
I'd roll the dice on him.
My answer:
Quote
You, sir, are a fool. I lived through this saga for 2 years. 1st year -- great. Then all the shtein happened. We (Philly fans) had the same dillusions of grandeur and the abilty to tame the wild beast that you Bronco fans are having now. Unless he a) fires Ro$enpuke, b) gets treatment and medication for his obvious mental issues, and 3) signs for incentives only based on performance AND behavior, he will bring you headaches and woe.
That said -- I hope Denver antes up and trades for him. Philly gets something for whatthey were getting rid of anyway, AND he is not only out of the division, butthe conference as well. Philly doesn't play Denver for another four years except on the off-chance they meet in the Superbowl. So, no chance to get effed by him on the revenge-meter.
And his retort:
Quote
I'm a fool, eh?
I don't harbor any illusions about what kind of guy he is. In his first season in Philly he helped them get to the superbowl, and then everything imploded. I'd sell out to get to the superbowl next year then let the chips fall where they may. The Broncos aren't a real young team. It's not my concern how bitter philly fans are.
Poor people. They are already disallusioned....
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2006, 10:37:35 PMLooking back, I can't believe how desperate we (and by we I mean me mostly) were to believe that he was the answer to our prayers.
What do you mean 'me' white man? We all farging did...and he pretty much was....'cept for a bad defensive game plan, a farg up by tito and a turnovers on our part (credit their D too)...he was The One...but we just didn't know how big a bitch he was!
I'd be shocked if they trade for him. But Andy Reid said that several teams were interested in him during an interview last week.
So...the Eagles must bluff the Broncos. They have to make it seem like there are other teams beating on their door to get him.
If Denver is serious about getting him, they should be serious about giving up a little something to ensure they don't lose him.
1st (22nd)
1st (29th)
2nd (61st)
3rd (93rd)
Not sure how many 4, 5, 6 and 7's they have.
Swap Rod Smith for TO.
I think they'd do that.
They have Washington's 4th rounder from that Campbell trade as well, and their 7th rounder went to Carolina for Sauerbrun. They pick 29th in every round...
Thanks, bro.
Ask for one of the 1st's and hope Shanahan is dumber than we think.
Since that has a snowballs chance in hell of happening I'd be happy with a 3rd or that extra 4th.
Remember our old buddy CanuckBroncosFan? Well here he is (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1730;sa=showPosts)
Pay close attention to his shots at TO and the photshop jobs of his about TO being a douche.
And here's our noth-of-the-border friend again...complete with a sig of TO in a Broncos jersey (http://www.broncosfreak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14311)
QuoteIf Shanny can get this guy under control I'll be cool with the signing. Imagine TO/Rod and Lelie...with Jeb as TE...Cobbler in the backfield..WOW.
I still say trade 14, our 3rd and the rights to TO for Denver's two firsts.
Shanahan does like to give up picks (a farging 3rd for Clarett :-D :-D)...so maybe he's dumb enough to give us their 2nd 1st round pick for TO. Who knows with him.... :-*
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2006, 09:58:18 PM
Remember these comments?
Quote"To be somewhere where I'm happy and I'm wanted. Somewhere where they're giving me my respect and giving me what I deserve. If I weren't performing at a high level, I wouldn't ask or feel that I deserve more than I'm worth. You put hard work in, you expect to get something in return. That's how I see it."
Denver?
With Jake Plummer throwing ground balls all day long??
Buwah!
Good luck, Crackbaby. I hope that mountain air does wonders for your many, many personalities.
Here's another comment, taken from--Page 266, Para 1 of his book:
"The NFL couldn't keep me in San Francisco, and they couldn't make me play for the Ravens. I'm FINALLY MAKING THE MONEY I DESERVE, after playing for 8 years in the NFL."
TO for Mike Anderson. It's fair.
(http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2006/01/31/432983997-_o.jpg)
Rocky Mountain News (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4428704,00.html)
QuoteLeague sources said Shanahan met in Denver with receiver Terrell Owens and Owens' agent, Drew Rosenhaus. The three did not meet at the Broncos' Dove Valley complex, but Rosenhaus and Owens spent the day in Denver before leaving Monday night on a Delta Air Lines flight to Atlanta, where Owens has a home.
Neither Shanahan nor Rosenhaus returned a call for comment.
Owens has not played since he was suspended by the Philadelphia Eagles this season. He was not paid for the final five games of the season, and his suspension eventually was upheld by an NFL arbitrator.
The Eagles, who still list Owens on their roster, gave Rosenhaus permission earlier this month to seek a trade with another team. If the Broncos want to include draft picks in the mix, they have nine in the April draft to work with, including two first-rounders and two fourth-rounders.
Any team that trades for Owens would assume his current contract at the time of the trade, so that team would need sufficient salary-cap room as well. That is an issue for the Broncos, who already are committed to salaries well in excess of the anticipated salary cap of $89 million to $90 million per team.
Teams won't know the official cap figure for 2006 until next month. It would not be an issue if the Broncos made a trade before March 1 because that's the date teams must be under the new cap for the first time in the new league year.
Owens has five seasons remaining on his contract and is due a $2.5 million signing bonus and $5 million roster bonus March 1. His base salary is $770,000 next season.
If Rosenhaus can't find any takers for Owens, the Eagles are expected to release him, making him a free agent.
When Shanahan signed players with "baggage" such as punter Todd Sauerbrun and defensive tackle Gerard Warren and drafted Maurice Clarett, his only consideration, the coach said earlier this season, was "to sit down with a guy and explain the way we do things. If you think he can do what he has to in the program, you make that decision; if he can't, then he doesn't stay around."
That likely was the topic of the meeting Monday. Shanahan likely would have outlined what would be expected of Owens if the Broncos were to decide to bring him in.
And Owens then would have to convince Shanahan, as well as perhaps owner Pat Bowlen, that he would abide by those rules.
Despite playing in only seven games before his suspension, Owens still led the Eagles with 763 receiving yards and six touchdown catches.
Owens' relationship with the Eagles turned sour during training camp when he was not given a new contract. He eventually fired his former agent and hired Rosenhaus.
When Owens challenged the suspension and a grievance was filed by the NFL Players' Association, arbitrator Richard Bloch sided with the NFL and the Eagles in November.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Miami Dolphins and New York Jets also are believed to have interest in Owens.
The bolded parts aren't quite right. In every article out there they all say that TO is due $7.5M on March 1st. Must be a case of someone putting it out there and everyone running with it without checking the facts.
The bonuses are not due on March 1st. The $7.5M due to him is split bonuses with the first portion ($5M) due on March 5th. The final $2.5M is due later in the month of March.
The beginning of the NFL's new 2006 year is March 3rd. That is the day that free agency starts and also when the league lifts the moratorium on trades.
So TO would not be due the first portion of his RB until two days after the league year. So if the Eagles and Broncos consummate a trade now it cannot become official until March 3rd.
ghey.
sooner the better. i hope we can trade his ass. might ass well get something out of him.
Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3459717)
QuoteThe Broncos' coach is serious about adding the controversial star receiver. According to a source familiar with the negotiations, Shanahan met with Owens and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, on Monday in Denver for a "get to know you" conversation that could be a prelude to one of the biggest acquisitions in franchise history
QuoteIf Denver officials, foremost owner Pat Bowlen, believe Owens can fit in with the team, the Broncos are likely to trade for Owens rather than wait for the Philadelphia Eagles to cut him. The timetable for any movement on a deal will not be fast. No trades can be official until March
that is good news for us, i don't give a damn what they give us. if we can get a stud player in exchange=PERFECT.
If we can get a sub-par player and a decent draft pick=GREAT
If they give us a crappy player and some crappy draft picks, whatever, its better than releasing him and not getting anything.
From that is sounds like they are desperate for TO and we will prob end up with something good out of this. oh please happen! O:) :bow
Wow. I am amazed at the stupidity. What could they possibly offer that would make any sense at all?
Quote from: rjs246 on January 31, 2006, 08:19:46 AM
Wow. I am amazed at the stupidity. What could they possibly offer that would make any sense at all?
4th/5th rounder and a backup DE? Sounds familiar.
haha. I can't wait to root for Courtney Brown again.
the eagles arent getting ish for him...whoever he decides to go to will have been determined before hes released...and that team will have an oral agreement with TO...thus no need to give up anything to aquire him
That's what I've been saying from the get go, but it seems more and more likely now. Idiots.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 31, 2006, 08:23:51 AM
the eagles arent getting ish for him...whoever he decides to go to will have been determined before hes released...and that team will have an oral agreement with TO...thus no need to give up anything to aquire him
Common sense would say that you're right. But there are a wrenches that could be thrown into that...
1. As the Post mentions, they could trade for him (they have 9 draft picks at their disposal) to ensure that they own his rights. Then they tear up the Eagles contract before the bonuses are due and give him a news deal.
2. If they do a wink-wink, nod-nod under the table agreement then Rosenhaus has them by the short hairs. He could freely go out an pimp that deal to other teams. And if he finds a team willing to give up more then he will not hesitate to screw the Broncos over for more cash.
If they really want him, I think they will trade for him to make sure that knucklehead is on their team. Because if they fail to land him the WR market is weak and they might not get anyone to help them.
trading for him does not assure that he will play for you....however a phat contract does...and whoever cakes him off him the most will guarantee that they get him...thats what all these meetings are about
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 31, 2006, 08:47:40 AM
trading for him does not assure that he will play for you....however a phat contract does...and whoever cakes him off him the most will guarantee that they get him...thats what all these meetings are about
If the Broncos are absolutely desperate for him, and by these meetings, it sounds like they are--they are not going to take the chance of him being a FA and signing with the likes of the Skins, Boys, or worse--the Raiders. This is similar to when the 49ers gave him 48 hours to make his own deal with another team--then when they had agreed to compensation with the Eagles, they tried to trade him to the Ravens. With other teams like the Boys, Skins, Tampa, the Jets, and most assuredly the Raiders already having publicly declared their interest in him, Denver will trade for him--agains, similar to the Randy Moss deal last year--where Minny and Oakland AGREED IN FEBRUARY to do the deal, but it didn't become official until March. I don't expect the Broncos to give up any higher than a 4th.
I'd take a 4th in a heartbeat.
I know it all about winning but after what TO and Rosenhaus did last year I just cannot imagine anyone taking a chance on such a cancer. Why has to stuck with Rosenhaus - he doesn't owe him a think. Is there anyone who thinks that if TO had not signed with Rosenhaus that maybe, just maybe, none of this would have happened?
Maybe the Broncos, could just reimburse Eagle fans who bought T.O. Jerseys, I'd take that offer in a heartbeat.
Quote from: 4and26 on January 31, 2006, 11:10:41 AM
I know it all about winning but after what TO and Rosenhaus did last year I just cannot imagine anyone taking a chance on such a cancer.
Lot's of teams will.
He wasn't a choir boy in San Francisco, but the Eagles and Ravens were fighting over him.
Even after last year, teams are willing to give him a shot. Coaches look at talent first, and rationalize the rest.
I still wouldn't bet on the Eagles getting any compensation for TO. They have no bargaining power.
QuoteI still wouldn't bet on the Eagles getting any compensation for TO. They have no bargaining power.
The eagles do have some power, it's if a team does not want T.O. to hit the market, they could deal a low pick to the Eagels after they work out a deal with T.O.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 31, 2006, 11:40:01 AM
QuoteI still wouldn't bet on the Eagles getting any compensation for TO. They have no bargaining power.
The eagles do have some power, it's if a team does not want T.O. to hit the market, they could deal a low pick to the Eagels after they work out a deal with T.O.
No
You want to wager on that? Trust me, you don't.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 31, 2006, 11:52:17 AM
You want to wager on that? Trust me, you don't.
Never wagered on a message board. Wouldn't even know how to collect.
Quote from: qwert246 on January 31, 2006, 11:54:05 AM
Never wagered on a message board. Wouldn't even know how to collect.
i have a little invention i'm working on, it may help with that. i call it the postal system, it involves a network of people transporting things that people are sending to others, i've yet work out all the details, but i got a good feeling about this one.
the broncos are the same position we were in 3 years ago. super bowl bound and desparate for anybody to help us get there. too bad the entire world now knows that TO is waiting to snap. especially in a run happy offense. oh man i can;t wait for that blow-out. that little bitch was in the best position a receiver could be in and he proved proved what kind of person he is and as a teamate. selfish fargin prick.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 31, 2006, 11:56:27 AM
Quote from: qwert246 on January 31, 2006, 11:54:05 AM
Never wagered on a message board. Wouldn't even know how to collect.
i have a little invention i'm working on, it may help with that. i call it the postal system, it involves a network of people transporting things that people are sending to others, i've yet work out all the details, but i got a good feeling about this one.
Too much anonymity. Too much trust.
we all know that TO will be a stud next year for whoever he plays for, just like his 1st year here.
can you imagine if the Eagles make it back to the Super Bowl against the TO-led Broncos? i won't watch a second of ESPN, it will be nauseating.
What is all this Denver talk anyway? They're 30 mil over the cap and have two 1st rounders to sign.
They have cap problems and stuff.
Where are the salary cap gurus to talk about how they won't be able to pull this off? Salary cap rulz. Our FO kicks ass.. Holla!!1
we all know that TO will be a stud next year for whoever he plays for, just like his 1st year here.
absolutely...hes going to give his next team exactly what he gave the eagles in year one...and hell be a model citizen doing it...all these doomsday theorists are way off base and just spewing the obvious rhetoric...TO will be fine this year
Too many experts on this topic and none of you really knows crap. So it's all speculation...especially for those that give a trade Zero chance of happening. Like you know.
Yeah! Give us hell, Waco!
Quote from: qwert246 on January 31, 2006, 12:07:03 PM
Salary cap rulz. Our FO kicks ass.. Holla!!1
So sayeth the Snyder flock leader.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 31, 2006, 12:00:00 PM
we all know that TO will be a stud next year for whoever he plays for, just like his 1st year here.
can you imagine if the Eagles make it back to the Super Bowl against the TO-led Broncos? i won't watch a second of ESPN, it will be nauseating.
Not with Jake Plummer at QB.
Here's an update from http://www.philly.com/mld/sports/eagles if you haven't seen it:
Posted on Tue, Jan. 31, 2006
Owens discussing deal with Broncos. The Birds, who allowed him to seek a trade, likely
wouldn't get more than a low draft pick.By Bob BrookoverInquirer Staff WriterDETROIT -
Terrell Owens' last touchdown with the Eagles came against the Denver Broncos.
His next touchdown could well be for those same Broncos.
Multiple league sources said last night that Owens and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, were in Denver discussing a potential deal with Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan and owner Pat Bowlen.
The Eagles gave Rosenhaus permission to work out a trade for Owens earlier this month, and Shanahan has let it be known that he is interested in the receiver, although Bowlen apparently was not as keen on the idea.
It's unlikely that the Eagles could get much more than a low draft pick for Owens, but that would suit them fine. Owens, of course, wore out his welcome midway through last season, and his contract dispute with the team reached its apex when he insulted the organization and quarterback Donovan McNabb during an interview with ESPN.com.
He played his final game with the Eagles Oct. 30 in Denver and scored a 91-yard touchdown after faking his way past cornerback Champ Bailey. His fateful interview took place three days later.
The Broncos are coming off a 13-3 season that came to a disappointing conclusion when they lost at home to the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC championship game.
Denver has a star receiver in Rod Smith, who has compiled more than 1,000 yards receiving in eight of the last nine seasons. The Broncos also have an above-average No. 2 receiver in Ashley Lelie, but their passing game overall ranked just 20th in the NFL. In addition, Smith will be 36 next season.
Owens, 32, proved in his first season with the Eagles that he is capable of helping a team reach the Super Bowl. He scored 14 touchdowns in as many games in 2004 before going down with a severe ankle sprain and broken leg, then making a heroic return in the Eagles' Super Bowl loss to New England.
But shortly after the Super Bowl, he fired agent David Joseph and hired Rosenhaus, signifying his dissatisfaction with the seven-year, $48.97 million contract he had signed with the Eagles before the 2004 season.
That triggered what eventually became a bitter divorce between T.O. and the Eagles. The last good memory the team had of Owens was in Denver, and now the Broncos are hoping they can extract some more Mile High happy memories from the controversial receiver.
TO will have a good year next year only if the team he is playing for does well. If things don't go well he starts with the lashing out. It will become everyone elses fault but his. He had a good first year with the Eagles because the team played well on both sides of the ball and they were superbowl bound. As soon as he is on a bad team forget it. Whomever signs him has to be a contender.
Oh be keen....BE KEEN DAMNIT AND GIVE US SOMETHING GOOD!!
TO=My Bitch
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 31, 2006, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: qwert246 on January 31, 2006, 12:07:03 PM
Salary cap rulz. Our FO kicks ass.. Holla!!1
So sayeth the Snyder flock leader.
Yeah. That's right. I'm the Snyder flock leader. Let me speak in language you understand. ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: qwert246 on January 30, 2006, 01:13:29 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 30, 2006, 12:32:16 PM
he is easy to hate, and it has nothing to do with his spending. it has everything to do with him being an impatient, obnoxious, self-important, know-nothing scum bucket
I will agree with you on most of that, but personally I don't give a shtein whether I like the owner or not.
He's an ass, but if he is willing to spend money on coaches and that makes the team more competitive, well you passed owner 101.
Seriously, do you really care if you like Lurie or not?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 31, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
I'd take a 4th in a heartbeat.
There is no way you are getting a fourth for TO...sorry. :yay
Oh look who it is....Captain Hypocrisy
PG has been hovering over her keyboard, waiting for the instant that a Broncos fan showed up. READY TO POUNCE!
Actually, no. I was surprised this guy showed his face.
(ps..if you haven't noticed, I am not the 'everyday' poster anymore)
What? What are you talking about?
Quote from: CanuckBroncofan on January 31, 2006, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 31, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
I'd take a 4th in a heartbeat.
There is no way you are getting a fourth for TO...sorry. :yay
Right... becuase Shanahan showed the world just how seriously he takes his draft picks when he drafted that stud, Maurice Clarett. :-D
No one gives a shtein what the Eagles get for TO. It could be that the Eagles get a bucket of chicken, 3 AA batteries and a couple NBA wristbands and most people won't even blink an eye.
Personally, the sooner I get to look at TV and not see an Eagles logo next to that dickface's name... the better. If the Broncos want to be the fools to think they can "handle him", so be it. That's their problem.
Quote from: CanuckBroncofan on January 31, 2006, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 31, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
I'd take a 4th in a heartbeat.
There is no way you are getting a fourth for TO...sorry. :yay
How's Clarrett doing these days? If Shannahan was dumb enough to waste a 3rd on him why wouldn't he waste a 4th on a the best receiver in the game?
Quote from: CanuckBroncofan on January 31, 2006, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 31, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
I'd take a 4th in a heartbeat.
There is no way you are getting a fourth for TO...sorry. :yay
So, did you read a page or two back and see how big of a hypocrite you are?
actually using the clarett theorum shouldnt the eagles be getting at minimum a #1 from 'shanny'
I hear Clarrett was fast for the Big Ten.
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 31, 2006, 04:33:58 PMRight... becuase Shanahan showed the world just how seriously he takes his draft picks when he drafted that stud, Maurice Clarett. :-D
Don't forget those awesome first round talents like Marcus Nash, Deltha O'Neal, Willie Middlebrooks and George Foster... :yay
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 31, 2006, 04:45:03 PM
actually using the clarett theorum shouldnt the eagles be getting at minimum a #1 from 'shanny'
Using that theorum they should be getting 1st's for the next decade....
Quote from: rjs246 on January 31, 2006, 04:45:32 PM
I hear Clarrett was fast for the Big Ten.
He's fast compared to Eddie 'lightning' George.
and ron dizzle
Rob Dibble?
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 31, 2006, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: CanuckBroncofan on January 31, 2006, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 31, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
I'd take a 4th in a heartbeat.
There is no way you are getting a fourth for TO...sorry. :yay
Right... becuase Shanahan showed the world just how seriously he takes his draft picks when he drafted that stud, Maurice Clarett. :-D
No one gives a shtein what the Eagles get for TO. It could be that the Eagles get a bucket of chicken, 3 AA batteries and a couple NBA wristbands and most people won't even blink an eye.
Personally, the sooner I get to look at TV and not see an Eagles logo next to that dickface's name... the better. If the Broncos want to be the fools to think they can "handle him", so be it. That's their problem.
We got wrist bands? COOL!!
Trent Cole? Has something happend to Trent Cole?!
The Eagles just signed Trent Dilfer and waived McNabb.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 31, 2006, 09:02:41 PM
The Eagles just signed Trent Dilfer and waived McNabb.
Dilfer won a Super Bowl and, therefore, is better than McNabb. Duh.
So the Eagles are going to win the Superbowl. This is a good move, 'cause Seattle was just getting ready to play for the NFC in that game.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 31, 2006, 09:06:11 PM
So the Eagles are going to win the Superbowl. This is a good move, 'cause Seattle was just getting ready to play for the NFC in that game.
In a stunning announcement, the desperate Seahawks will trade Rocky Bernard and Steve Hutchinson to the Eagles, so that Dilfer can support the team in the fashion they'd gotten used to for the past couple of years:
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Quote from: CanuckBroncofan on January 31, 2006, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 31, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
I'd take a 4th in a heartbeat.
There is no way you are getting a fourth for TO...sorry. :yay
:-D :-D After one Quote The Canadian Idiot figures out that someone was actually watching his moves on the other board about T.O. what a tool!!
QuoteI didn't say he wasn't, but did Owens have to tell that to everyone on the planet? Does he have to go on to ESPN to tell everyone that he hates playing for the best team in the NFC? He's an icehole! The only player worse is Moss and thats only because Moss has a fetish for running over parking ticket ladies.
Let's see if he sticks to his words on how he feels about T.O.
Hey you stinkin Canuck...good to see you back here. Do you still feel TO is a douchebag? Maybe you'd like to give us another photoshop of TO crying? Or would yourather go and chop some pics of TO in a Broncos uniform again? :-D
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/Benetto00/owens.jpg)
(http://www.bcollar.org/img/to_jersey.jpg)
All that work and can't do the orange outline around the numbers?
Video clip of McNabb talking about TO (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/013106-mcnabb.wmv)
According to CSN, Denver will only sign TO to a deal with LOTS of incentives....no guaranteed money like he wants....
What would McNabb tell Plummer?
"I got 3 words for you, Jake. Matter of time."
mcnabb needs to shut his trap...hes complaining about how his teammates went to the media in their support of TO last year in an interview at the SUPERBOWL!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 08:43:54 AM
mcnabb needs to shut his trap...hes complaining about how his teammates went to the media in their support of TO last year in an interview at the SUPERBOWL!!
When'd he do that?
delco times
And the DN...and the Inky. He's not complaining.
McNabb is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he doesn't answer questions he is ripped. But when he does, he is ripped.
I caught Cataldi crying about it on the radio this morning while I was stuck in traffic.
I thought the interview was pretty telling. It shows that they have some repair work to do in that locker room.
But if you read Les Bowen's article you'll see that Sheldon Brown said that it was only one guy campaigning for TO and that was Trotter. And Dhani Jones was on Jody Mac last night and he said that McNabb is still the unquestoned leader of that team.
I honestly can't see why McNabb comes under so much fire. Jesus christ it gets old.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 01, 2006, 09:06:18 AM
I honestly can't see why McNabb comes under so much fire. Jesus christ it gets old.
really.
People bitch when he doesnt say something and bitch when he does. Some things never change. It's a big reason why I cant stand most of the Philadelphia fan base.
you cant complain about your team talking to the media in an interview youre giving to the media
people compare the treatment of Bobby A. to that of Mike Schmidt, but I think the treatment of Donovan is more of a comparable situation.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 09:09:07 AM
you cant complain about your team talking to the media in an interview youre giving to the media
i think he has more of a right than TO did
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 09:09:07 AM
you cant complain about your team talking to the media in an interview youre giving to the media
I'm not complaining. What I'm saying is when McNabb does those fluff interviews during the week leading up to games he is blasted for being "Little Andy" because he is cliche and whatnot.
But when he does answer questions honestly he is ripped. And then the legions of morons hit the airwaves and say how he'll never win the big one. And how because he is black he'll never win. How Jaworski was a better QB and all of that straight up bullshtein.
I'm sick of idiots interjecting race into this. I'm sick of Jaws being worshipped when him and McNabb never won a championship. I like Jaws, but jeez, McNabb has accomplished more. But the fact is that neither have a ring. So why is Jaws worshipped and McNabb hated upon?
I'm sick of hearing idiots blast the best QB in Eagles history. I've said numerous times that Mcnabb DOES deserve criticism for his on-field mistakes. But some of those are blown out of proportion too!!
Mostly I'm sick of the race card being played by ignorant people. I listened to 3 out of 4 callers this morning say he won't win because "only 1 african american has ever won a SB". Stupid.
Eddie George?
what does say for you, me, and life in general that i knew exactly what was going to appear in that post?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 01, 2006, 09:06:18 AM
I honestly can't see why McNabb comes under so much fire. Jesus christ it gets old.
Amen.
i think he has more of a right than TO did
he has exactly the same right...and mcnabb has the right to sound like a whiny hypocrite
if you wanna come out and rip the team for not having your back then by all means fire away...but dont say youre upset that they went to the media with it as youre giving an interview to that very same media
Quotewhat does say for you, me, and life in general that i knew exactly what was going to appear in that post?
It says that I'm predictable, but I'm sick of reading McNabb-bashing/TO-discussion/everyone-disagreeing-with-IGY-just-because posts, so I post nonsense instead so you're all gonna have to put up with it until something new and or interesting is brought up about the team this offseason.
did someone say something?
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 09:38:46 AM
so I post nonsense instead so you're all gonna have to put up with it until something new and or interesting is brought up about the team this offseason.
we could talk about Darwin Walker's status?
I havne't heard anything about him lately. Anyone know anything?
last i heard, he was at a body shop in Havertown getting the ridges in his skull filled with Bondo
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 01, 2006, 09:51:11 AM
last i heard, he was at a body shop in Havertown getting the ridges in his skull filled with Bondo
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/SamiB/Smilies/spit.gif)
Yeah dude. That guy's skull-skin-rolls are farging weird. Too bad he can't sack anyone with them. Then he'd have little quarterbacks sticking out of his dome creases. The ladies love that.
QuoteElizabeth Merrill, of the Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs' president/general manager Carl Peterson told the newspaper Tuesday, Jan. 31, that Kansas City was "somewhat interested" in Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens and that Peterson planned to have an in-depth conversation with new head coach Herm Edwards about the possibility of acquiring Owens. Two things have apparently piqued the Chiefs' interest, the hope of a possible attitude makeover after Owens' suspension by the Eagles, and Edwards' success in working with difficult players. The Chiefs probably will wait to see whether Owens is cut. A source familiar with the situation told The Star that an incentive-laden, one-year deal would be a possibility.
Quote from: MURP on February 01, 2006, 10:03:29 AM
QuoteElizabeth Merrill, of the Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs' president/general manager Carl Peterson told the newspaper Tuesday, Jan. 31, that Kansas City was "somewhat interested" in Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens and that Peterson planned to have an in-depth conversation with new head coach Herm Edwards about the possibility of acquiring Owens. Two things have apparently piqued the Chiefs' interest, the hope of a possible attitude makeover after Owens' suspension by the Eagles, and Edwards' success in working with difficult players. The Chiefs probably will wait to see whether Owens is cut. A source familiar with the situation told The Star that an incentive-laden, one-year deal would be a possibility.
:-D :-D
You know, the more teams interested the more they'll be willing to pay for his services. Competition should drive his price up. :yay Anything more than a 4th or 5th and I'd be thrilled.
If he does end up going to the Broncos in a trade, that's definitely our best shot of getting something worthwhile in return, since shanahan obviously doesn't care about high draft picks that much.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 01, 2006, 09:06:18 AM
But if you read Les Bowen's article you'll see that Sheldon Brown said that it was only one guy campaigning for TO and that was Trotter.
Trotter sucks.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 01, 2006, 10:32:23 AM
If he does end up going to the Broncos in a trade, that's definitely our best shot of getting something worthwhile in return, since shanahan obviously doesn't care about high draft picks that much.
Not to mention, if KC's interested the Broncos might up the ante a bit just to keep him away from them. :yay
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 01, 2006, 10:29:20 AM
You know, the more teams interested the more they'll be willing to pay for his services. Competition should drive his price up. :yay Anything more than a 4th or 5th and I'd be thrilled.
I'd be thrilled with that. Considering that we only gave up a 5th for him in the first place... the idea of getting that same pick back or even a round better while TO is two years older and two blown up locker rooms later... gives me that football wood all the kids are talking about these days.
QuoteSources: Five teams going after Owens
By BOB GROTZ, bobgrotz@aol.com02/01/2006
Two other teams -- one in the NFC and another in the AFC, sources said -- also are seriously interested in Eagles outcast Terrell Owens, who met Tuesday in Denver with the Broncos. Nonetheless the Broncos are "very, very much" in the hunt for Owens, according to sources that spoke on condition of anonymity.
Owens might command a respectable draft pick as compensation if a handful of teams get into a bidding war, according to a source. The Eagles gave Owens and agent Drew Rosenhaus permission to arrange a trade for the wide receiver with four years left on his contract. Owens is due $7.5 million if he remains on the Eagles roster after March 3.
The bigger story for Eagles fans is quarterback Donovan McNabb, who said at a Campbell's Chunky Soup appearance at Super Bowl XL in Detroit he's healthy after his hernia surgery and itching to get back to work -- without T.O.
McNabb, a reach to participate fully in the team's early May minicamp, told reporters inquiring about the eccentric Owens, who criticized him en route to getting kicked off the team last season, "a great player."
McNabb also said he would be happy to discuss Owens with quarterback buddy Jake Plummer of the Broncos.
"I imagine he'll be calling me," McNabb said.
The NFC's Dallas Cowboys and Tampa Bay Buccaneers, plus the New York Jets and the Miami Dolphins of the AFC all have expressed interest in Owens according to sources. The Eagles prefer that Owens play in the AFC. The Florida teams are said to have a strong attraction for Owens.
The trading period and free agency begin March 3.
The Broncos are a veteran team that might have less trouble plugging in a problematic but talented player like Owens. Coach Mike Shanahan almost certainly wouldn't sign Owens without protections written into the contract. Shanahan reportedly told Owens he would not put up with misbehavior. Owens reportedly said he'd been misunderstood, a contention he made almost daily in 11/2 seasons with the Eagles.
The Broncos recently signed Mike Heimerdinger, a protégé of Shanahan's, to replace offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak, who exited to become head coach of the Houston Texans.
Veteran center Tom Nalen, among other Broncos, endorsed the addition of Owens, saying "I think he'd conform to our standards."
One thing is all but certain -- the Broncos need juice, having watched a 13-3 season blow up in the conference championship round largely due to the lack of a passing game.
ok, pop quiz hotshot...
Dallas is willing to give you a 2nd while everybody else will give you a 5th. what do you do? what do you do?
Say "Farg Dallas" and move on.
Dallas might as well turn their asses around and go sit down.
QuoteShanahan reportedly told Owens he would not put up with misbehavior. Owens reportedly said he'd been misunderstood, a contention he made almost daily in 11/2 seasons with the Eagles.
That's it Mike. Go ahead and fall for the okey-doke.
Misunderstood?
:-D
How many times is that infant going to use that line of bullshtein and expect grown men to fall for it??
::) ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 01, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
Say "Farg Dallas" and move on.
Incorrect. You take the 2nd.
And then put a bounty on Owens head.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 01, 2006, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 01, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
Say "Farg Dallas" and move on.
Incorrect. You take the 2nd.
I agree. If Dallas is dumb enough to give us a 2nd for a 33 year old headcase then you make that trade in a second. Won't be long till he's bitching about Bledsoe and fighting with MeShawn for catches.
Meanwhile, with that 2nd round pick... we'll have the best dime CB in the NFL.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 01, 2006, 11:19:39 AM
Meanwhile, with that 2nd round pick... we'll have the best dime CB in the NFL.
Or, more likely, another bust at the LB position.
QuoteSay "Farg Dallas" and move on.
You're joking right? I assume you're joking. A second rounder for TO would cause an rjs erection of previously unheard-of proportions. It would probably poke my eye out as well of the eyes of every person in a three mile radius. I would be able to wail on my guitar for hours with my throbbing football boner. I don't care who it is, if anyone gives up a 2nd for TO they have to jump at it.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 12:56:36 PM
You're joking right? I assume you're joking.
We both know she was not joking.
Interesting comments from Terrell Davis: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos
I'm not sold," former Broncos running back Terrell Davis said. "A tiger is a tiger even if you remove his stripes. If Mike can somehow - and I'm sure he will - connect his behavior with his contract, then maybe he has more leverage in terms of what T.O. does. If they can get this man to play, it would be great to have him.
"But I'm not sold on him being the type of player that organization really wants to bring in there."
A heroic Owens nearly led the Eagles past New England in last year's Super Bowl, but the other T.O., the one who rebuked former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Jeff Garcia in 2003, resurfaced this season when he criticized McNabb.
"If this man is talking about Donovan McNabb, imagine if Jake has the same game he had in the AFC championship," Davis said, referring to the Broncos quarterback's two interceptions in a 34-17 loss to the Steelers. "It's volatile, man. I don't know. It's one of those deals where you have to wait and see. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, then it will be, 'I told you so, Mike.'"
Peter King thinks the Skins might want to move for T.O.
So, that pretty much means the Skins won't even sniff in T.O.'s direction.
the skins are a strange player in the TO sweepstakes in that gibbs is the last person on the planet that would go after TO and snider is the first
I WAS joking, asshats. ::)
Now you realize why I use the ::) face?
You wrongly assumed I wasn't joking about you joking, though. Ha.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 01, 2006, 10:56:14 AM
ok, pop quiz hotshot...
Dallas is willing to give you a 2nd while everybody else will give you a 5th. what do you do? what do you do?
Quoting Speed? For shame. :boo
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 01, 2006, 02:19:30 PM
Now you realize why I use the ::) face?
I just figured that over the years of excessive use, it just became a habit for you. :P
QuoteI WAS joking, asshats. Roll Eyes
Now you realize why I use the Roll Eyes face?
I have images, and therefore smilies, turned off. Either way you really need to work on your delivery.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 02:44:13 PM
QuoteI WAS joking, asshats. Roll Eyes
Now you realize why I use the Roll Eyes face?
I have images, and therefore smilies, turned off. Either way you really need to work on your delivery.
If you have images turned off, how the farg can you see Jessica Alba's photos on here?
Dumbass.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 01:23:13 PM
the skins are a strange player in the TO sweepstakes in that gibbs is the last person on the planet that would go after TO and snider is the first
Except it's always been and will always be Dannyboy pulling the strings. Hey, I'm all for making Gibbs quit as fast as possible.
but gibbs has more pull with danny than a lot of people realize...in the end tho i agree with you danny has last say
All their little head coaches get a vote. Napoleon's is the only one that counts.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 01, 2006, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 02:44:13 PM
QuoteI WAS joking, asshats. Roll Eyes
Now you realize why I use the Roll Eyes face?
I have images, and therefore smilies, turned off. Either way you really need to work on your delivery.
If you have images turned off, how the farg can you see Jessica Alba's photos on here?
Dumbass.
He knows that image so well that when he closes his eyes that's all he sees.
from nfl.com.....
A T.O. FOR T.O.
More and more, it's looking as if the Eagles are going to be able to extract some form of compensation for disgruntled wide receiver Terrell Owens.
Sports Illustrated's Peter King will be reporting on Wednesday night's Inside the NFL that the taterskins are the latest entrant into the T.O. sweepstakes, and definitely the most intriguing. taterskins owner Daniel Snyder thrives on making high-profile acquisitions, like this one would be. Plus, it would be yet another boost to a taterskins offense that already has added offensive coordinator Al Saunders.
But now that the taterskins are involved, and possibly willing to give up a first-day draft pick, the Cowboys are likely to follow suit. Hard to imagine Cowboys owner Jerry Jones just sitting back and watching Snyder add another marketable commodity to his stable in Washington without doing anything.
Also, Chiefs president Carl Peterson is saying that Kansas City needs to take a look at T.O., shortly after Kansas City's division rival, the Broncos, brought T.O. to Denver for a visit.
The Dolphins are interested, the Buccaneers will be interested, and so, amazingly, there will be no shortage of suitors for Owens, who now looks destined to be dealt.
Smart money is now on Washington. The taterskins are the favorite.
IGY, TO going to the Skins would be so nice for you. you would be able to consolidate your hate, i'm pulling for you fella.
how do you give a hard ass high ten on the internet?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 03:57:39 PMBut now that the taterskins are involved, and possibly willing to give up a first-day draft pick, the Cowboys are likely to follow suit. Hard to imagine Cowboys owner Jerry Jones just sitting back and watching Snyder add another marketable commodity to his stable in Washington without doing anything.
The taterskins and Cowboys fighting over an Eagle? hmm
like this...
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up top baby!
why would the Eagles trade TO to an NFC East team?
Highest bidder. Plus, it gives Lewis and Dawkins two tries a year to rip his farging head clean off.
I don't care how much revenge you guys want on him, I'm dealing him to an AFC team if I'm Reid...
yeah, you'd be idiotic to trade him to a division rival. He'd be spiking the ball on the Eagles logo after scoring on Philly's horrible defense filled with crappy linebackers.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 01, 2006, 04:16:34 PM
I don't care how much revenge you guys want on him, I'm dealing him to an AFC team if I'm Reid...
Who could then turn right around and trade him to either team, Ed.
If the Skins or Doughboys are willing to give up something silly, why not take it? He won't be an Eagle anyway and at the very worst, he'll only the play the Eagles twice each year.
Big deal. Neither f'n team has a quarterback to throw to him anyway.
why would the Eagles trade TO to an NFC East team?
irrelevant
they can only trade TO where he wants to go...if they try to trade him to denver but lil danni has told him hell pay him X amount of dollars more than the broncos then TO will just sabotage the trade...
which is why i said TO will have a silent verbal agreement as to where he is going long before anything happens
TO is in full control of this situation
Quote from: from nfl.com on February 01, 2006, 03:57:39 PM
Smart money is now on Washington. The taterskins are the favorite.
I don't see it. They are probably using their reputation to drive up the price if Dallas wants him.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 01, 2006, 04:16:34 PM
I don't care how much revenge you guys want on him, I'm dealing him to an AFC team if I'm Reid...
I agree to some extent, but if 'teams' are interested it will help raise his value. Like if Denver is offering X and Dallas or Wash. is offering X ( with a little more ) you trade him to Denver.
Quote from: qwert246 on February 01, 2006, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: from nfl.com on February 01, 2006, 03:57:39 PM
Smart money is now on Washington. The taterskins are the favorite.
I don't see it. They are probably using their reputation to drive up the price if Dallas wants him.
^^^Wishful thinking from a Skins fan^^^
I agree to some extent, but if 'teams' are interested it will help raise his value. Like if Denver is offering X and Dallas or Wash. is offering X ( with a little more ) you trade him to Denver.
its not what the other teams are offering the eagles its what they are offering TO
if denver is offering a 3rd to the birds but a small incentive laden contract to TO and the skins are offering a 5th to the birds and a bunch of guaranteed dollars to TO what do you think TO will do...he will tell the eagles and broncos im not playing in denever so dont even bothing making the trade...teams are wary of aquiring a happy TO they certainly arent going to give up something for a pissed off TO
IGY... the Eagles have granted T.O. permission to seek a trade but he is STILL their property.
If someone comes along and blows the Eagles minds with a trade offer, he's going there no questions asked.
You realize that, right? Well, maybe not considering you believe that T.O. is holding all the cards here. He simply isn't. Not until the second the Eagles release him, he's not.
San Fran was in the same situation before and TO got what he wanted
IGY... the Eagles have granted T.O. permission to seek a trade but he is STILL their property.
If someone comes along and blows the Eagles minds with a trade offer, he's going there no questions asked.
You realize that, right? Well, maybe not considering you believe that T.O. is holding all the cards here. He simply isn't. Not until the second the Eagles release him, he's not.
he absolutely is holding the cards because no matter what happens he gets released on march first...thats the key here
you said it yourself...HES going out seeking a trade...meaning hes looking for the highest bidder...do you really think a team will blow the eagles away with an offer for a player who is a time bomb to begin with that also doesnt want to play for them
no team is giving up anything for TO without having contract terms in place..and those terms are dictated by TO and the team he is negotiating with...not by the eagles
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 04:49:45 PM
IGY... the Eagles have granted T.O. permission to seek a trade but he is STILL their property.
If someone comes along and blows the Eagles minds with a trade offer, he's going there no questions asked.
You realize that, right? Well, maybe not considering you believe that T.O. is holding all the cards here. He simply isn't. Not until the second the Eagles release him, he's not.
he absolutely is holding the cards because no matter what happens he gets released on march first...thats the key here
the deadline is not march 1st.
the bonus isnt due until at least march 6...maybe later, but no later than march 15.
the birds thought ahead with this, and they wouldnt have put themselves in a spot to have to had made a decision is a mere few hours. free agency starts march 2. which if the birds wait, the big names could be snatched up before the 6th, making a team want to give up more for him.
The Eagles are in full control. The Eagles are the one doing the trading. If a team wants to trade for TO and the Eagles agree, then TO becomes that team's property. If the Eagles cut TO then TO holds all the cards, but as long as he remains property of the Eagles, the Eagles hold all the cards.
Did TO brush his teeth up and down today?
The Eagles are in full control. The Eagles are the one doing the trading. If a team wants to trade for TO and the Eagles agree, then TO becomes that team's property. If the Eagles cut TO then TO holds all the cards, but as long as he remains property of the Eagles, the Eagles hold all the cards.
wrong again....do you know what all these meetings are with TO and the teams hes visiting...they are contract negotiations...TO is looking for the team that will pay him the most...and the team that will do that is whos going to get him...again the eagles are not gonna trade him to a team where he hasnt already worked out the numbers on a new deal....unless the eagles are keeping open the option of paying his roster bonus and keeping him then TO might as well be a free agent right now...yes the eagles can still get something for him but they have almost no say in where he goes
the question is simply this: do you believe there is a team out there will give up something for TO if he says hes not going to play for them?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 05:04:08 PM
the question is simply this: do you believe there is a team out there will give up something for TO if he says hes not going to play for them?
baltimore did
that was a yes or no question
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 05:04:08 PM
The Eagles are in full control. The Eagles are the one doing the trading. If a team wants to trade for TO and the Eagles agree, then TO becomes that team's property. If the Eagles cut TO then TO holds all the cards, but as long as he remains property of the Eagles, the Eagles hold all the cards.
wrong again....do you know what all these meetings are with TO and the teams hes visiting...they are contract negotiations...TO is looking for the team that will pay him the most...and the team that will do that is whos going to get him...again the eagles are not gonna trade him to a team where he hasnt already worked out the numbers on a new deal....unless the eagles are keeping open the option of paying his roster bonus and keeping him then TO might as well be a free agent right now...yes the eagles can still get something for him but they have almost no say in where he goes
the question is simply this: do you believe there is a team out there will give up something for TO if he says hes not going to play for them?
We don't know if they are contract negotiations yet. They could be see and hear type of meetings.
We don't know if they are contract negotiations yet. They could be see and hear type of meetings.
lolol....i give up
TO will actually be less demanding this time around on exactly where he plays, I think.
The money's more important to him than the situation this time around.
TO will play for whomever pays him. he's a mercenary, he doesnt play for pride.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 05:11:36 PM
We don't know if they are contract negotiations yet. They could be see and hear type of meetings.
lolol....i give up
You can't do contract negotiations when the owner doesn't even know if he approves of the move yet.
I hope to god we trade him the Skins. I will die pointing and laughing at their hypocrisy when they all run out and buy #81 jerseys.
I think my hate-fueled organs (which are all of them) might explode if TO joins the Skins.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 01:23:13 PM
the skins are a strange player in the TO sweepstakes in that gibbs is the last person on the planet that would go after TO and snider is the first
Why is Gibbs the last person on the planet?
Outside of his media-manufactured 'integrity' when it comes to dealing with this kinda stuff, I havn't seen anything.
Taylor skipped manadatory meeting, disrespected him by not returning his phone calls, has spit on at least two players, got ejected and is facing 46 years in jail and Gibss has done, what, exactly?
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 05:25:33 PM
I think my hate-fueled organs (which are all of them) might explode if TO joins the Skins.
even more reason to do it. the prospects of you exploding (with hate) are too good to pass up.
Quote from: MDS on February 01, 2006, 05:24:13 PM
I hope to god we trade him the Skins. I will die pointing and laughing at their hypocrisy when they all run out and buy #81 jerseys.
make sure you aren't wearing your TO jersey when you point and laugh. It's not as effective.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 01, 2006, 04:41:03 PM
Quote from: qwert246 on February 01, 2006, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: from nfl.com on February 01, 2006, 03:57:39 PM
Smart money is now on Washington. The taterskins are the favorite.
I don't see it. They are probably using their reputation to drive up the price if Dallas wants him.
^^^Wishful thinking from a Skins fan^^^
I guess you think it's possible. Why would they let Gardner and Coles go; both unhappy with their situations, only to take on TO, who is NEVER happy?
I still don't think they get any compensation. If I'm wrong, I'll be here for you to tell me.
Well, in IGY's defense, we had (theoretically) agreed to trade Simon to Baltimore, and he nixed that trade with ridiculous demands. I can see a scenario like IGY describes.
Look, TO said the Eagles would be sorry if they didn't make him happy. I'd say he nailed that one. If he says it again, do you think the offering team wouldn't think twice about trading for him?
IGY knows all...at least he thinks so.
He's closer than you, copper.
Oh you didn't hear...i'm giving up the copper business.
I'm throwing my hat into the teaching circle.
Chris Mortenson shot down the taterskins rumor. Said it won't happen.
I really wouldn't want the Eagles to have to face TO twice a year. He'd burn any corner the Eagles could get out on the field.
Kansas City's involvement in this circus screams "since Denver is our rival we're throwing our hat into the ring to drive up the price".
I would also prefer to see him go to the AFC, however, if Denver is offering a 4 and Washington is offering a 2 I take the 2nd round pick.
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 01, 2006, 06:56:54 PM
Chris Mortenson shot down the taterskins rumor. Said it won't happen.
Huh? I just heard him on ESPN radio ten minutes ago say the taterskins were the favorite to get TO.
Really?
That's weird.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 01, 2006, 08:03:09 PM
Kansas City's involvement in this circus screams "since Denver is our rival we're throwing our hat into the ring to drive up the price".
I would also prefer to see him go to the AFC, however, if Denver is offering a 4 and Washington is offering a 2 I take the 2nd round pick.
So KC is driving up the price for Denver, but Wash isn't for Dallas?
Washington and Dallas haven't definitley come out and expressed interest, Qwert.
If TO visits Dallas or Rosenhaus discusses numbers with Skeletor Jones, then I would agree that Washington might be driving up the price.
But TO visitied Denver and Carl Peterson said they might be interested. They are divison rivals with interest documented by both sides.
Washington has denied interest. I heard Mort say NO to Washington on SportsCenter too.
Damn, I've been busy. Catching up on this thread...
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 09:36:40 AMinstigate instigate instigate
I'm awful tired of you,
wiggy. You care.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 01, 2006, 09:51:11 AM
last i heard, he was at a body shop in Havertown getting the ridges in his skull filled with Bondo
:-D
Quote from: Mad-Lad on February 01, 2006, 10:35:26 AMTrotter sucks.
Amen. I'll cheer the day he's done. He's a decent middle linebacker, sure. But he's a tool with a capital T. The defining moment of his career was just before the opening game in '05. Gettting ejected from a game because he was a farging dumbass.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 01, 2006, 10:56:14 AM
ok, pop quiz hotshot...
Take the second and then beat them twice this year. Der.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 01, 2006, 02:19:30 PMNow you realize why I use the ::) face?
Because no one undertands your alleged sense of humor? If not that then no, I don't understand why you harp on that goddamned smiley.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 02:44:13 PM
Either way you really need to work on your delivery.
Word.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 01, 2006, 04:16:34 PM
I don't care how much revenge you guys want on him, I'm dealing him to an AFC team if I'm Reid...
I take the highest offer, and I hope it's from an AFC team. If I'm Reid. And I get another plate from the press buffet. Times yours.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on February 01, 2006, 04:21:30 PMyeah, you'd be idiotic to trade him to a division rival. He'd be spiking the ball on the Eagles logo after scoring on Philly's horrible defense filled with crappy linebackers.
Bring it. Maybe if he did, Donovan himself would play the role of Teague. Or maybe not. I'll put in a call to Calvin, just in case Donovan wimps out.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 04:23:20 PMTO is in full control of this situation
:-D That's rich.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 05:04:08 PMthe question is simply this: do you believe there is a team out there will give up something for TO if he says hes not going to play for them?
I really hate to encourage you, but I see your point. TO says to a team: I'll make such a stink you won't want me. What team would defy him?
All the same, I think you mistake his posture. He's in repentant mode. He won't make demands until he's been a good boy and proven himself to daddy.
Quote from: MDS on February 01, 2006, 05:24:13 PM
I hope to god we trade him the Skins. I will die pointing and laughing at their hypocrisy when they all run out and buy #81 jerseys.
Word.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 05:25:33 PM
I think my hate-fueled organs (which are all of them) might explode if TO joins the Skins.
Double word.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 01, 2006, 05:51:41 PMLook, TO said the Eagles would be sorry if they didn't make him happy. I'd say he nailed that one. If he says it again, do you think the offering team wouldn't think twice about trading for him?
This is where
wiggy's audacious "throw enough shtein on the wall and eventually some will stick" gimmick starts to stick. It makes sense what you say.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on February 01, 2006, 06:28:28 PMOh you didn't hear...i'm giving up the copper business.
I'm throwing my hat into the teaching circle.
Maybe you aren't a complete idiot afterall. What subject are you going to teach? Follow the leader?
Hahahaha! You are hilarious. I'll be teaching 9th/10th grade history...my degree is in this field.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 01, 2006, 05:51:41 PM
Well, in IGY's defense, we had (theoretically) agreed to trade Simon to Baltimore, and he nixed that trade with ridiculous demands. I can see a scenario like IGY describes.
Look, TO said the Eagles would be sorry if they didn't make him happy. I'd say he nailed that one. If he says it again, do you think the offering team wouldn't think twice about trading for him?
There was a difference in the Simon situation--Simon WAS a FA who was a franchise-designated player. Owens ALREADY is under contract. And the Eagles could make Owens a footnote in history--just pay the bonus, keep him , and deactivate him every Sunday. I'm pretty sure, even if he's not saying it now, that he knows the Eagles have no problem suspending him or deactivating him. Then he'd have two choices--keep his mouth shut and play (or go to whomever they trade him to), or retire.
from PFT
QuoteSKINS SAY NO GO ON T.O.
In the wake of reports suggesting that the Washington taterskins are now the favorites to land receiver Terrell Owens, we decided to go straight to the source and ask whether the reports are accurate.
taterskins Senior Vice President Karl Swanson told us that it's not going to happen. "We think Terrell is an exceptional talent, however, we do not see him as a fit with the taterskins," Swanson said Wednesday night.
There have you it, folks. An official statement that the taterskins are not -- and will not be -- in the mix for Owens.
This development, if acknowledged by the media generally, could throw a bucket of cold water on the smoldering stew of rumors suddenly linking Owens to multiple suitors.
With that said, someone is sure to sign him. The only question is how much he'll get paid, and whether the Eagles will get anything in trade.
There was a difference in the Simon situation--Simon WAS a FA who was a franchise-designated player. Owens ALREADY is under contract. And the Eagles could make Owens a footnote in history--just pay the bonus, keep him , and deactivate him every Sunday. I'm pretty sure, even if he's not saying it now, that he knows the Eagles have no problem suspending him or deactivating him.
you really need to cease speaking on this issue
I'd have to agree, IGY. Really stupid post, bobby.
That being said, I'd love to see this exact situation occur.
That had to take a lot of time, Dio.
Classic... :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 10:01:50 AM
There was a difference in the Simon situation--Simon WAS a FA who was a franchise-designated player. Owens ALREADY is under contract. And the Eagles could make Owens a footnote in history--just pay the bonus, keep him , and deactivate him every Sunday. I'm pretty sure, even if he's not saying it now, that he knows the Eagles have no problem suspending him or deactivating him.
you really need to cease speaking on this issue
Why? You don't think it COULD happen? Give me a fargin break. Hey, last season, when all of this stuff was blowing up IN TRAINING CAMP, I said that his days with the Eagles were numbered--and I was accused of posting shtein because you guys said I didn't know what I was talking about. Well, HIS DAYS AS AN EAGLE ARE NUMBERED--so I think I was pretty spot on.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on February 02, 2006, 10:37:38 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 10:01:50 AM
There was a difference in the Simon situation--Simon WAS a FA who was a franchise-designated player. Owens ALREADY is under contract. And the Eagles could make Owens a footnote in history--just pay the bonus, keep him , and deactivate him every Sunday. I'm pretty sure, even if he's not saying it now, that he knows the Eagles have no problem suspending him or deactivating him.
you really need to cease speaking on this issue
Why? You don't think it COULD happen? Give me a fargin break. Hey, last season, when all of this stuff was blowing up IN TRAINING CAMP, I said that his days with the Eagles were numbered--and I was accused of posting shtein because you guys said I didn't know what I was talking about. Well, HIS DAYS AS AN EAGLE ARE NUMBERED--so I think I was pretty spot on.
everyone's days are numbered
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 02, 2006, 10:30:15 AM
That being said, I'd love to see this exact situation occur.
Dumb.
Yes, let's make T.O. "pay" by giving him his multi-million dollar bonuses and riding the pine! Yes! That way, the Eagles can internally and externally justify paying even less money to upgrade the team where they need it, they can all dwell on the T.O. situation even longer, and they can all-but guarantee that they won't win shtein another year!
You guys are farging retarded, I swear.
Quote from: MURP on February 02, 2006, 09:49:30 AM
There have you it, folks. An official statement that the taterskins are not -- and will not be -- in the mix for Owens.
Rosenshtein was probably stirring the pot, between his red phone calls w/satan.
I didn't say we SHOULD do it, FF. I said I'd love to send a great big FU to TO and his career. It would also be more satisfying to beat him with pine than let him ride it......
Besides, pay him his money, shtein on his head some, he'll come out blasting the team for ruining his career. Then we can recoup it all as conduct detrimental. It's brilliant.
but TO did get farged...he lost a lot of money last year and has greatly damaged his future earnings...let it go homie
poor poor miscontruude childish TO...
Satire, dude. Satire.
Oops, forgot my smiley ::)
My bad.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on February 02, 2006, 10:35:35 AM
That had to take a lot of time, Dio.
Classic... :-D
Not really, I just quoted and posted as I went. I've super busy these days, so I don't get to read the threads much these days.
I had heard the talk about the Eagles trading TO to Denver, and it might give them a hell of an offense for a while, until TO blew up because they might run when he thinks they should be throwing to him or something stupid. I could be wrong, but I don't see Shannahan making the same mistake Reid did.
I know it's from Spew but....:
QuoteI don't believe the Eagles would get compensation ... And I believe, the more I hear, that T.O. will be traded.
I'd say that is good news.
Completely unfounded rumor out there that the Eagles might try to get Lelie in a deal for TO, or they might trade away a ~3rd rounder for Lelie. To me, Lelie is very much like Pinkston, but maybe 5 lbs heavier. Meh.
Ashley Lelie sucks.
Ashley Lelie > Greg Lewis
Ashley Olson = Todd Pinkston
Andy Ashby < Jessica Alba
Idiots.
> > ::)
Andy Richter >> Marty Morningwood
He was supposedly in Miami on Wednesday according to PFT.com.
What was Andy Richter doing in Miami?
QuoteBe careful, Dawkins tells Owens' suitors
"Any time you have something that can affect your team and your locker room, you might want to stay away from it," he said.
By Pat Yasinskas
For The Inquirer
HONOLULU - Eagles safety Brian Dawkins cautioned the Denver Broncos yesterday about making a deal for receiver Terrell Owens.
"I wouldn't go there," Dawkins said after the NFC squad's Pro Bowl practice.
The Eagles have given Owens permission to seek a trade, and Denver is one of several teams reported to be interested. But Dawkins said the Broncos and any other team interested in Owens should be careful.
"Just be prepared for whatever," Dawkins said to a Denver reporter. "He's a great guy as far as a person goes, but he says what's on his mind, so you've got to be prepared for whatever."
Owens and the Eagles have been at odds since the receiver asked for a new contract before last season. The situation grew heated as Owens took verbal shots at quarterback Donovan McNabb and others and was banished by the Eagles.
Dawkins was asked if one player could "poison" a locker room.
"Yeah, you saw what happened this year," he said. "It can happen. It starts to filter through. Different opinions are given out, and things happen that shouldn't happen."
Dawkins said those problems would follow Owens to a new team.
"Any time you have something that can affect your team and your locker room, you might want to stay away from it," Dawkins said.
Eagles linebacker Jeremiah Trotter, also a member of the NFC Pro Bowl team, refused to discuss the Owens situation.
"We're focused on 2006," Trotter said. "We need to get everybody healthy, and once we do that, we'll be fine."
As the Owens saga played out, the Eagles struggled to a 6-10 record and had their streak of four straight appearances in the NFC championship game come to an end. Dawkins said the Eagles could bounce back.
"First of all, we need to just wash our hands of the situation," Dawkins said. "Hopefully, Donovan got what he wanted to get off his chest off his chest, and we'll get to minicamp and start playing ball again."
Dawkins said he supported McNabb's criticism of Owens last week.
"He had to get something off his chest," Dawkins said. "It was something that festered for a long time, and he felt this was the time he wanted to do it, and he did it. It's over and done with, and we've got to go on from there."
Dawkins said the Eagles' locker room could be made harmonious next season.
"That's something that we as players will do," he said. "We'll get together... and we'll keep playing. The thing about playing football is, when you start winning, all that other stuff goes in the back window.
"If we were winning last year, none of that stuff would have happened and none of those comments would have been made."
This is one time where I wish Dawkins would shut his mouth for the better of the team. Opening his mouth regarding TO will just help to drive his price down.
i agree that dawk should shut up until after this is over...if not for good on the matter....but...
the thing is...and all the nfl people know this...is that the TO youre getting this year is philadelphia eagle year one TO...he will no doubt be on his best behavoir because if he isnt his contract will stipulate that he gets farged if he acts up in any way
there is no shortage of people who will take TO...its just a matter of crating a contract with the right protective language
so right now what dawk says about TO carries zero weight with people like mike shanahan
Who's Brian Dawkins?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 09, 2006, 08:18:07 AM
This is one time where I wish Dawkins would shut his mouth for the better of the team. Opening his mouth regarding TO will just help to drive his price down.
Amen. Really smart to speak up now, when the Eagles are trying to get something in trade... :boom
Fargin' football playing morons.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2006, 08:24:42 AM
i agree that dawk should shut up until after this is over...if not for good on the matter....but...
the thing is...and all the nfl people know this...is that the TO youre getting this year is philadelphia eagle year one TO...he will no doubt be on his best behavoir because if he isnt his contract will stipulate that he gets farged if he acts up in any way
there is no shortage of people who will take TO...its just a matter of crating a contract with the right protective language
so right now what dawk says about TO carries zero weight with people like mike shanahan
Agreed. What Dawkins is saying is hardly breaking news. Everyone who's going to go after TO already knows the deal with him and they'll protect themselves accordingly with contract stipulations.
yeah, im sure Dawkins opinion will be the final straw for teams deciding if they want to obtain TO or not.
maybe not the final straw...but certianly can be a factor.
it's kinda like a job reference.
dawkins should keep his mouth shut until after he is officially gone.
i was thinking a few weeks ago that the chance of actually getting something for owens was a pretty strong possibility even if it was only a 6th rounder or worse, now, with mcnabbs comments, and now dawkins...etc...i think teams will just wait it out for him to be cut.
I dont see how any comments by McNabb or Dawkins or anyone else will affect the situation. Everyone knows the deal. Teams who are willing to take Owens are already past the point of caring about that shtein in the first place or they wouldnt be dealing with him.
the deciding factor will be the status of Darwin Walker, does anybody know it?
i just wish they all would shut-up period about TO. The fargin media is still onTO's nuts. No comment, right back at them.
stupid mcnabb and dawkins, if they'd have just kept their mouths shut, none of the other teams would even know that TO is an a-hole and we probably would be able to get 15-20 draft picks for him.
The Eagles will still have to endure questions about his every accomplishment next year.
Eagles play the Giants.
Post game interview question.
"Hey Donovan what do you think about TO's 3 touchdowns against Oakland?"
"Hey Andy what do you think about TO's comments concerning his new QB's level of heterosexuality?"
"Hey, what do you think about what TO said about you this week as we ask him about the 'fall out' every chance we get?"
It is going to be another crappy year as far as media attention goes. The Eagles should stop talking about it and circle the wagons now.
I dont see how any comments by McNabb or Dawkins or anyone else will affect the situation
they wont/dont
but they do make dawk look like a little bitch...dawk? where were you when TO was talking shtein in your own locker room....now that hes gone youre gonna drop science...weakness
the more that comes out the more hugh douglas looks like the only man in all this
^^^
Couldn't agree more.
Kill this thread...
Quote from: rjs246 on February 09, 2006, 08:28:08 AM
Who's Brian Dawkins?
He's the free safety for the Philadelphia Eagles. He wears the number twenty (20).
perposterous!
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 09, 2006, 12:28:46 PM
twenty (20).
This drew a half-hearted, but honest, chuckle. Good for you.
Quote from: MURP on February 09, 2006, 10:04:50 AM
yeah, im sure Dawkins opinion will be the final straw for teams deciding if they want to obtain TO or not.
It certainly doesn't help. Everyone knew there was a feud between he and Donovan. But when a team leader like Dawk who is known as one of the guys who 'keeps teammates in line' speaks out against him, other teams tend to look at that as they won't be able to control him.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 09, 2006, 12:52:14 PMThis drew a half-hearted, but honest, chuckle. Good for you.
Me too, but I was too ashamed to say so. Thanks for pioneering this one, champ!!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 09, 2006, 02:30:28 PM
Quote from: MURP on February 09, 2006, 10:04:50 AM
yeah, im sure Dawkins opinion will be the final straw for teams deciding if they want to obtain TO or not.
It certainly doesn't help. Everyone knew there was a feud between he and Donovan. But when a team leader like Dawk who is known as one of the guys who 'keeps teammates in line' speaks out against him, other teams tend to look at that as they won't be able to control him.
again
Quote from: MURP on February 09, 2006, 10:19:12 AM
Teams who are willing to take Owens are already past the point of caring about that shtein in the first place or they wouldnt be dealing with him.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 09, 2006, 02:30:28 PM
Quote from: MURP on February 09, 2006, 10:04:50 AM
yeah, im sure Dawkins opinion will be the final straw for teams deciding if they want to obtain TO or not.
It certainly doesn't help. Everyone knew there was a feud between he and Donovan. But when a team leader like Dawk who is known as one of the guys who 'keeps teammates in line' speaks out against him, other teams tend to look at that as they won't be able to control him.
Right back atchya ;)
And it certainly doesnt hurt. :crazy
SD...
The point is that the teams that are willing to go after TO already know all they need to about him. They know he screwed up in SF. They know what he did to the Eagles locker room. That's what's gonna decide how much they give the Eagles, if anything... not anything that Dawkins says. Teams have decided if they want to carry the 2 tons of weight and baggage that comes along with TO. Dawkins comments wouldn't even amount to an extra feather. It's like a guy who shot off a finger trying to give you gun safety tips.
In the end, they'll just figure that they can do a better job than the Niners and the Eagles could of keeping him happy.
Come on, even Bush's intelligence gatherers know what happened with TO last season. Dawkins' squawkin' won't mean anything.
Which means saying anything at all was pointless. Go Dawk.
Well you're right of course. They should all stop talking. The fact they don't stop speaks volumes about the current esprit de corps. I don't know what's up, but Reid is responsible at the end of the day. And I'll tell you what, I don't see Patriots players pointing fingers, whining, "sitting down with" espn hack of the day, backing each other up or not backing each other up in the days leading to the Super Bowl, and the Pro Bowl. It's embarassing. They need to just shut up.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 09, 2006, 10:43:35 PM
Well you're right of course. They should all stop talking. The fact they don't stop speaks volumes about the current esprit de corps. I don't know what's up, but Reid is responsible at the end of the day. And I'll tell you what, I don't see Patriots players pointing fingers, whining, "sitting down with" espn hack of the day, backing each other up or not backing each other up in the days leading to the Super Bowl, and the Pro Bowl. It's embarassing. They need to just shut up.
I didn't see the Pats have quite the level of problems the Eagles did, either.
I didn't see the Pats have quite the level of problems the Eagles did, either
i think thats kinda the point
Quote"SMALL POSSIBILITY" OF FREE AGENCY DELAY
Word is that a series of meetings between representatives of the NFL and the NFLPA has created progress toward an agreement on a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. We're told that these talks have given rise to a "small possibility" that the free agency signing period will be delayed this year from March 3 until early April.
The mere talk of bumping back the opening of free agency confirms that the recent efforts to iron out the issues between management and labor are aimed at getting a new deal in place before the annual shopping spree commences. As it now stands, signing boni can be spread over only four years, and any incentives earned in 2006 automatically count against the salary cap in 2006. This will make it harder for teams to add new players and, in turn, less lucrative for the players.
A new deal also would undoubtedly increase the salary cap for 2006, giving teams more money to spend on their rosters. This is good news for teams like the taterskins and Jets, who reportedly are facing some tough salary-trimming decisions under the current '06 cap.
But even if the free agency period is pushed back by a month, there still will be some intrigue come March. For example, Terrell Owens' contract must be terminated by the Eagles on or before March 5. So if the free agency launch is bumped to April and no new CBA is in place before Owens is released, he'll have to decide whether to take any offers that might be on the table under the current CBA -- or whether to wait until a new deal is in place.
This wouldn't be good news for any value we may be able to retain for this scumbag.
I don't see how they could just push it back and allow wording for roster bonuses in contracts to stay as is. That's not going to be fair for a lot of teams and players affected.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 10, 2006, 10:20:00 AMAs it now stands, signing boni can be spread over only four years...
:-D
The plural is bonuses, not 'boni'. It's just like 'status.' The plural is 'statuses,' not 'stati.'
I don't see how they could just push it back and allow wording for roster bonuses in contracts to stay as is
exactly...theres no way they push back the free agency date at large but not the free agency dates and clauses within each contract...its all or none
great news on the cba front but damn i dont wanna wait another month for the offseason to start
another thing this will do is make april absolutely nuts...as you will have two months of free agency sqeezed into two weeks since teams will want all major moves to be done before the draft
What I'd expect under that scenario is that all the deals would already be worked out, and there'd be a bundle of announcements on the first day. No one is going to want to be working on deals that close to the draft.
Elway against T.O. joining Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2326933&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
That's not nothing to those idiots in Denver.
QuoteEagles | Owens lands television show
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:05:33 -0800
Businesswire.com reports Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens has landed a reality television show. Banyan Productions has reached a partnership agreement with Owens for a new reality television series that will be hosted by the colorful athletic personality. Internet and mobile content based on the show's concept will also be created. The show will combine Owens' passion for working out with his natural curiosity about other people. Guests on the show will come from the worlds of sports, entertainment and even politics, and no subject will be off limits.
QuoteAirs: To Be Announced
BANYAN PRODUCTIONS AND NFL SUPERSTAR TERRELL OWENS ENTER PARTNERSHIP FOR NEW REALITY FITNESS SERIES
PHILADELPHIA, FEBRUARY 10, 2006 — Banyan Productions, a leading creator of reality-based television programming, has reached a partnership agreement with NFL veteran wide receiver Terrell Owens (aka, T.O.) for a new reality television series that will be hosted by the colorful athletic personality. Internet and mobile content based on the show's concept will also be created. The announcement was made today by Ray Murray, President of Banyan Productions. "Terrell Owens is one of the most talked about and dominating athletes in all of sports. He's also honest, articulate and one of the most physically fit competitors in the country. We're looking forward to tapping into all of those qualities to create an original and groundbreaking series," said Mr. Murray.
The show will combine T.O.'s passion for working out with his natural curiosity about other people. Guests on the show will come from the worlds of sports, entertainment and even politics — and no subject will be off limits. The show will rely on T.O's witty personality and tendency to speak his mind and Banyan's successful track record in producing highly rated programming that strikes an emotional chord with its audience.
This guy makes David Boston look sane.
It's nice to see that TO is working hard to find a way to feed his family. :deion
I love Steve Young.
I was just watching NFL Countdown at the Pro Bowl and of course, the soap opera comes up and they talk about if you want TO or not next year. Steve is kind of on the fence... Irvin pulls his face out of TO's head long enough to say "Yes" and plunges right back in... and Tom says hell no. Tom says that we've seen the history with two teams now and so on... and he doesn't want to hear the next team come crying halfway through the season that they didn't expect it.
Steve supports Tom and says that yes, they have seen TO with the Niners who "Used to be the best organization in the NFL." and the Eagles who "Are the best organization in the NFL." Irvin pops back out to start verbally slobbing TO's knob and Steve cuts him off and says, "Mike... we know.... you're supportive. We get it." Irvin starts to stutter until Berman moves on and tosses to break. :-D
Someone beat me to it....
NFL network (Sirius) reporting that Bipolar Man visited the Phins last week. Also said Chris Chambers said the reports of him not wanting TO were not true and that he'd welcome him as a teammate. Several other Phins players (Holiday and a couple other veterans) are said to be against it.
*Edit* Saban just denied the report that Bipolar Man visited the Phins last week.
That doesn't mean he didn't. Just means Saban doesn't want a bidding war to open up if he's serious about getting TO.
TO is going to take this as a sign of disrespect though. He'll be all dramatic about it too.
[dramatic 12 year old girl]When Nick Saban denied those reports about me visiting, it really hurt my feelings. It made me feel like he doesn't love me. Why would he feel the need to hide our meeting? Is he embarrassed about seeing me? He didn't even tell any of his family or friends about me. [/dramatic 12 year old girl]
He visited the phins >:D maybe we can pull a AJ Feeley type deal for him :paranoid
Quote from: MURP on February 11, 2006, 12:35:02 PM
QuoteEagles | Owens lands television show
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:05:33 -0800
Businesswire.com reports Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens has landed a reality television show. Banyan Productions has reached a partnership agreement with Owens for a new reality television series that will be hosted by the colorful athletic personality. Internet and mobile content based on the show's concept will also be created. The show will combine Owens' passion for working out with his natural curiosity about other people. Guests on the show will come from the worlds of sports, entertainment and even politics, and no subject will be off limits.
Oh no, Broke back mountain part II
I take it that the Denver scenario is dead in the water now...
Why?
Because ESPN isn't pimping the story everywhere anymore?
Quote from: Diomedes on February 15, 2006, 09:19:50 PM
Because ESPN isn't pimping the story everywhere anymore?
Precisely.
spewdaro:
Quote"This whole situation has been bizarre, and some claim that agent Drew Rosenhaus is drumming up false information just to create a buzz. I don't believe that. I believe there is genuine interest and I think the Eagles will trade Owens before March rolls around."
QuoteChiefs | No interest in Owens until he is released
Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:57:55 -0800
Elizabeth Merrill, of the Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs general manager Carl Peterson said Tuesday, Feb. 21, that the team will not have an interest in Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens until he is released from the team in March. Peterson added that it might be a long shot to get Owens and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, to agree to a one-year, incentive-laden deal.
I don't think there is going to be a team out there willing to sign him to much more than a single year incentive-laden deal.
St. Pete Times (http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/23/Bucs/Rice_seems_likely_to_.shtml)
QuoteTerrell Owens' agent Drew Rosenhaus remained mum if Owens will make a visit with the Bucs, who have a mild interest in the mercurial Philadelphia receiver who likely will become a free agent next week. Denver and Miami remain the most likely destinations, and the Bucs would be hard-pressed to create enough salary cap room to make a serious run at Owens.
Still, that won't prevent the Bucs from talking to Rosenhaus this week, particularly because he represents University of Miami offensive tackle Eric Winston.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 23, 2006, 12:34:59 PM
St. Pete Times (http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/23/Bucs/Rice_seems_likely_to_.shtml)
QuoteTerrell Owens' agent Drew Rosenhaus remained mum if Owens will make a visit with the Bucs, who have a mild interest in the mercurial Philadelphia receiver who likely will become a free agent next week. Denver and Miami remain the most likely destinations, and the Bucs would be hard-pressed to create enough salary cap room to make a serious run at Owens.
Still, that won't prevent the Bucs from talking to Rosenhaus this week, particularly because he represents University of Miami offensive tackle Eric Winston.
It's amazing to me that someone coming into the league would pick Rosenhaus as an agent after the whole T.O debacle...
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on February 23, 2006, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 23, 2006, 12:34:59 PM
St. Pete Times (http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/23/Bucs/Rice_seems_likely_to_.shtml)
QuoteTerrell Owens' agent Drew Rosenhaus remained mum if Owens will make a visit with the Bucs, who have a mild interest in the mercurial Philadelphia receiver who likely will become a free agent next week. Denver and Miami remain the most likely destinations, and the Bucs would be hard-pressed to create enough salary cap room to make a serious run at Owens.
Still, that won't prevent the Bucs from talking to Rosenhaus this week, particularly because he represents University of Miami offensive tackle Eric Winston.
It's amazing to me that someone coming into the league would pick Rosenhaus as an agent after the whole T.O debacle...
Shouldn't shock you... no matter how much of a shteinhead Rosenhaus is, he still gets his players :deion :deion :deion. TO was more the exception than the rule.
He usually gets most of the Miami guys. Did he get Sinorice Moss too?
Looks more and more the Eagles will get nothing and like it. Summummabitch.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 24, 2006, 11:59:55 AM
Looks more and more the Eagles will get nothing and like it. Summummabitch.
No biggie... as long as he's gone.
QuoteWhat were T.O.'s agent, Parcells talking about?
BY MAC ENGEL
Star-Telegram Staff Writer
INDIANAPOLIS – Could Terrell Owens be headed to Dallas?
Inquiring minds certainly want to know the answer to that question after Friday's sighting of Cowboys coach Bill Parcells and super agent Drew Rosenhaus going to lunch during the National Football League Scouting Combine.
Rosenhaus has a number of clients, including top draft prospect Eric Winston, a tackle out of Miami.
Offensive tackle is a need position for the Cowboys.
But the Cowboys are also seeking help at receiver and it's no secret that Owens is in search of a new home.
Owens, who is expected to be cut by the Philadelphia Eagles next week, has been linked to the Cowboys since his suspension midway through the 2005 season.
Denver, Miami and Kansas City are other possible destinations for Owens.
But while owner Jerry Jones has a history of taking chances with troubled but talented players, there is a question of whether Parcells would want to put up with Owens and his supposedly selfish and divisive ways.
Might Rosenhaus have been lobbying for his client?
Neither he nor Parcells were saying.
What's certain is that any serious talks about Owens will have to coincide with talks with current receivers Keyshawn Johnson and Terry Glenn -- as there is little chance all three could co-exist.
Why in God's name would a guy like Bill Parcells ever tolerate an icehole like T.O. on his team?
He's already got two prima donna bishes to deal with. He needs a third now?
Stupid.
Adam Schaefter's on right now saying the Cowboys are very interested in BiPolar man.
Trade TO to Miami for a 6th round pick. I think the low asking price would all but guarantee the other team wanting to make the deal. It would be worth it to avoid a bidding war. If the Eagles just release him then there's always a chance he could stay in the division/conference.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 25, 2006, 03:39:56 PM
QuoteBut while owner Jerry Jones has a history of taking chances with troubled but talented players, there is a question of whether Parcells would want to put up with Owens and his supposedly selfish and divisive ways.
Supposedly?? Does this writer have a TV? ???
Must be Michael Irvin. Wait, sorry. He sounded kinda intelligent.
2 more days of this crap, right?
Probably until March 8th. That is when they said his bonus is due. So they might hold onto him until then.
SI's rumore mill has Rosenhaus feeling the heat:
Quote
Is Drew Rosenhaus desperate? It's known the agent and his beleaguered client, wideout Terrell Owens, met with Broncos coach Mike Shanahan four weeks ago. Having heard little, if anything, from the team since then, Rosenhaus walked up to Broncos GM Ted Sundquist in the lobby of the team's hotel over the weekend and delivered another impromptu T.O. spiel.
-- Denver Post
/quote]
Rosenhaus is going to look even more stupid when T.O goes from a 7YR/49 Million dollar deal to a 1-3YR incentive laden, stripped down contract.
is the bonus still due on the 8th if free agency gets pushed back as expected
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2006, 03:31:01 PM
is the bonus still due on the 8th if free agency gets pushed back as expected
Yes
According to the ConcreteField homepage, TO has just been traded.
Finally.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 27, 2006, 03:58:52 PM
According to the ConcreteField homepage, TO has just been traded.
Finally.
:-D
We like breaking stories six months before everyone else ... and then the homepage.
Also...
TO's bonus due date was pushed back to March 11th instead of March 8th because of the push back in the start of the league year. I didn't think this could happen and I'm kinda glad that I was wrong on that one because there is still a .00001% chance he'll get traded.
There's less of a chance than that. Especially if the CBA is not extended, no one will trade for him, because of that big roster bonus he's due... unless he agrees in advance to restructure... which he won't, because he knows the Eagles will release him within days anyway...
So, T.O. will be released and not traded.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 03, 2006, 10:37:46 AM
Also...
TO's bonus due date was pushed back to March 11th instead of March 8th because of the push back in the start of the league year. I didn't think this could happen and I'm kinda glad that I was wrong on that one because there is still a .00001% chance he'll get traded.
That's a good move by the league. Not that he'll get traded, but fair is fair.
Just heard a blurb that T.O was traded to the Jaguars on the radio....anyone else hear anything?
Nevermind, it was only to say that it was an unjustified rumor. farg. :boom
Yeah, that guy was fishing. He got himself a nice 2 week suspension for that. :)
Suspension from the radio?
They were talking about it on the ESPN Radio station down here in D.C. What guy are you talking about?
Some guy posted it on the Eagles MB and an article with a ton of mis-spellings and read like a 3rd grader wrote it. He had no source for it. I thought that was where you saw it. :-D
Wait, wait. There was a rumor from an EMB poster? Cut the guy a break, this is a respected football discussion forum with informed poster and intelligent disucssion.
T.O. to Rams trade? BS or not BS? Anyone else heard?
never even heard anything about it.
Why? Read it on the EMB too?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 09, 2006, 04:45:39 PM
never even heard anything about it.
Why? Read it on the EMB too?
There & other boards. Most likely false but I wanted to verify. 90% of what's posted on
all MB's is total bullshtein but that 10% is pure magic.
i heard that the President of the WOrld was going to give the EaGles like 3 extra draft PicKs for lOsing TO next yearLOL!! Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.!!
it's confirmed, TO to the Rams.
Link (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/zephonecsu/DeezNuts.jpg)
i heart phatty
Interesting note from the new CBA: teams can no longer suspend players for the season like the Eagles did to TO....
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 10, 2006, 12:27:15 AM
Interesting note from the new CBA: teams can no longer suspend players for the season like the Eagles did to TO....
:-D :-D The Banner Rule
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 10, 2006, 12:27:15 AM
Interesting note from the new CBA: teams can no longer suspend players for the season like the Eagles did to TO....
they can suspend. they can't deactivate.