So over my lunch break today I did some research on the scheduled free agents at target spots (DL, LB, WR) and came up with my "wish list'...
DT
Larry Tripplet (seems to be the only top tier DT out there....not much via FA that is better than what the birds have)
DE
Carlos Hall UFA Chiefs
Darren Howard UFA Saints
John Abraham UFA Jets
Kalimba Edwards UFA Lions
Kimo von Oelhoffen UFA Steelers
Kyle Vanden Bosch UFA Titans
Lance Johnstone UFA Vikings
N.D. Kalu UFA Eagles
Raheem Brock UFA Colts
Tyoka Jackson UFA Rams
Willie Whitehead UFA Saints
LB
Akin Ayodele UFA Jaguars
Andra Davis UFA Browns
Cato June RFA Colts
Derek Smith UFA 49ers
Hunter Hillenmeyer UFA Bears
Jamie Winborn UFA Jaguars
Julian Peterson UFA 49ers
Nate Webster UFA Bengals
Rocky Calmus UFA Colts
Sam Cowart UFA Vikings
Tim Johnson UFA Raiders
Tommy Polley UFA Ravens
Will Witherspoon UFA Panthers
WR
Antwaan Randle El UFA Steelers
Brandon Lloyd RFA 49ers - should be considered depending on what he is tendered
Corey Bradford UFA Texans
Jabar Gaffney UFA Texans
Jerome Pathon UFA Falcons
Joe Jurevicius UFA Seahawks
Keenan McCardell UFA Chargers
Reche Caldwell UFA Chargers
Reggie Wayne UFA Colts
Tim Carter UFA Giants
Troy Brown UFA Patriots
Garb those 3-4 (I mainly want Abraham, Peterson, Wayne) FAs and add more talent with excellent draft spots, get guys healthy and watch out...this team would be scarey. The thought of adding Abraham and Peterson to the defense is down right scarey. Spads hinted in his column that the Eagles will be very active...which makes me think they may be targetting Abraham & Wayne....remember, they have TONS of cap space next year since that 7 mill from TO will be added back into it, and possibly the $1.5 mill they're trying to get back.....
thats one hell of a wish list.
we're gonna need a bigger boat
of the list of DE's i want Raheem Brock (back).
GET KALU!
is this a playstation thread
Akin Ayodele UFA Jaguars is pretty good too. There are actually a lot of pretty good LBs slated for FA.
Great. So which undersized backup will we trade for this year?
Quote from: mikey418 on December 08, 2005, 01:14:28 PM
DE
Lance Johnstone UFA Vikings
Tyoka Jackson UFA Rams
Willie Whitehead UFA Saints
LB
Derek Smith UFA 49ers
Hunter Hillenmeyer UFA Bears
Sam Cowart UFA Vikings
Tim Johnson UFA Raiders
WR
Jabar Gaffney UFA Texans
Jerome Pathon UFA Falcons
Tim Carter UFA Giants
Troy Brown UFA Patriots
Ok really. DE, LB, and WR are needs...but they arent at the point where you have to sign these guys. Almost all of these guys are 30+, and none of them are good. Sam Cowart? Derek Smith? PATHON?
Spew gives an offseason clue.
QuoteWhat else? Hey, I've had some in-depth, heart-to-heart conversations with people within the organization in the last couple of days. This is a tough time. No doubt. The future is going to be bright. I like the plan. I like the realization that the people who make the decisions here aren't going to sit back in the off-season. Should be worth waiting for, so hang in there, gang.
in the same vein as a spoiler alert on a movie ending we need to institute a 'spewler' alert when posting his ramblings...i seriously dont want to ever again read anything of his and would appreciate a warning
Quote from: MURP on December 08, 2005, 03:43:42 PM
Spew gives an offseason clue.
.........
That wasn't enough of a warning for you,
PrimaWigga?
you have no idea how a spewler works do you
Edwards is O.L.D.
Kalimba Edwards and Raheem Brock, that's enough to get a lady real hot and bothered.
on of the items on my wishlist isnt a play. i want a new training staff.
david thinks the plan is good? likes what he sees? shocker!
Quote from: Wingspan on December 08, 2005, 06:33:14 PM
on of the items on my wishlist isnt a play. i want a new training staff.
I want the basics..like acknowledging:
(1) the running game can't be replaced by a short passing game
(2) the quality of players matter as much as the "system"
(3) Draft picks that need 2-3 years to learn the system are wasted picks
(4) modifying your game plan so you play within the ability of the players you have
::) ::) ::)
Next season is going to be awful if they don't get Reno signed to a long term deal right now.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 08, 2005, 07:15:48 PM
Next season is going to be awful if they don't get Reno signed to a long term deal right now.
Reno is golden unless the FBI finds where he's holding Reid's kids :P
Quote from: MURP on December 08, 2005, 03:43:42 PM
Spew gives an offseason clue.
QuoteWhat else? Hey, I've had some in-depth, heart-to-heart conversations with people within the organization in the last couple of days. This is a tough time. No doubt. The future is going to be bright. I like the plan. I like the realization that the people who make the decisions here aren't going to sit back in the off-season. Should be worth waiting for, so hang in there, gang.
He didn't promise that this would be the biggest offseason in history. So maybe he's right on this one.
Quote from: mikey418 on December 08, 2005, 01:14:28 PM
DT
Larry Tripplet (seems to be the only top tier DT out there....not much via FA that is better than what the birds have)
DE
Carlos Hall UFA Chiefs
Darren Howard UFA Saints
John Abraham UFA Jets
Kalimba Edwards UFA Lions
Kimo von Oelhoffen UFA Steelers
Kyle Vanden Bosch UFA Titans
Lance Johnstone UFA Vikings
N.D. Kalu UFA Eagles
Raheem Brock UFA Colts
Tyoka Jackson UFA Rams
Willie Whitehead UFA Saints
I'd be happy with either of the 2 guys you've highlighted along with Brock. The FO gets a shot at redemption by going after him. Granted, they haven't missed much on guys they've released but he's turned out to be a pretty darn good player.
Vandon Bosch is having a huge year for the Titans but I've never heard much about him before this year so I'd be hesitant to throw a bunch of money his way. He's been in the league for 5 years, has 13.5 career sacks and 9.5 of them have come this year. I'm leaning towards flash in the pan but you just never know.
Quote
LB
Akin Ayodele UFA Jaguars
Andra Davis UFA Browns
Cato June RFA Colts
Derek Smith UFA 49ers
Hunter Hillenmeyer UFA Bears
Jamie Winborn UFA Jaguars
Julian Peterson UFA 49ers
Nate Webster UFA Bengals
Rocky Calmus UFA Colts
Sam Cowart UFA Vikings
Tim Johnson UFA Raiders
Tommy Polley UFA Ravens
Will Witherspoon UFA Panthers
None of those names really jump out at me except Peterson. But he's going to come at a premium and he's been battling injuries so I think the FO may just pass on him all together. As for the rest of them, bleh. I'd be more excited about Simeneau being gone than I would any of them coming in. Regardless, I think damn near any of them would be an upgrade over Sims. They should have kept Nate Wayne.
Hell, they could have used him on Monday Night. :paranoid
Quote
WR
Antwaan Randle El UFA Steelers
Brandon Lloyd RFA 49ers - should be considered depending on what he is tendered
Corey Bradford UFA Texans
Jabar Gaffney UFA Texans
Jerome Pathon UFA Falcons
Joe Jurevicius UFA Seahawks
Keenan McCardell UFA Chargers
Reche Caldwell UFA Chargers
Reggie Wayne UFA Colts
Tim Carter UFA Giants
Troy Brown UFA Patriots
I'm skeptical on Wayne simply because of the "Price Factor". I don't know if Wayne is that good or if it's the system and the players around him. Granted, he'd be an immediate upgrade over any starter we have right now but I just don't know if he's capable of being "the guy".
Brandon Lloyd is the name that really sticks out for me. He's the lone offensive threat the 9ers have. He sees a lot of double coverage and has had 4 different qb's throwing him the ball this year and he's still producing. Imagine what he might be capable of with a more complete offense. I really like his upside and wouldn't mind seeing the Eagles take a serious run at him this offseason.
We need better covering safeties. Move Lewis to OLB and Dhani, Sims, & McCoy can battle it out on the weakside.
I doubt we throw mad money at DE since Kearse has not lived up to his price tag and Cole is emerging. As for big-ticket LBs...forget it.
You guys remember the olden days when the defense would let a big play happen and Dawkins would chase down the play and make a touchdown saving tackle? Those were good times.
Quote from: Larry on December 08, 2005, 08:05:37 PM
We need better covering safeties. Move Lewis to OLB and Dhani, Sims, & McCoy can battle it out on the weakside.
I doubt we throw mad money at DE since Kearse has not lived up to his price tag and Cole is emerging. As for big-ticket LBs...forget it.
I agree, I think the Eagles will go DE/DT in the draft and take care of a lot of the other things in free agency. Mario Williams will be out there, and could be a legit option for the Eagles. The first step is to see what pick the Eagles end up with then we can speculate on whether or not Williams will be there.
Quote from: mikey418 on December 08, 2005, 01:14:28 PM
So over my lunch break today I did some research on the scheduled free agents at target spots (DL, LB, WR) and came up with my "wish list'...
DT
Larry Tripplet (seems to be the only top tier DT out there....not much via FA that is better than what the birds have)
DE
Carlos Hall UFA Chiefs
Darren Howard UFA Saints
John Abraham UFA Jets
Kalimba Edwards UFA Lions
Kimo von Oelhoffen UFA Steelers
Kyle Vanden Bosch UFA Titans
Lance Johnstone UFA Vikings
N.D. Kalu UFA Eagles
Raheem Brock UFA Colts
Tyoka Jackson UFA Rams
Willie Whitehead UFA Saints
LB
Akin Ayodele UFA Jaguars
Andra Davis UFA Browns
Cato June RFA Colts
Derek Smith UFA 49ers
Hunter Hillenmeyer UFA Bears
Jamie Winborn UFA Jaguars
Julian Peterson UFA 49ers
Nate Webster UFA Bengals
Rocky Calmus UFA Colts
Sam Cowart UFA Vikings
Tim Johnson UFA Raiders
Tommy Polley UFA Ravens
Will Witherspoon UFA Panthers
WR
Antwaan Randle El UFA Steelers
Brandon Lloyd RFA 49ers - should be considered depending on what he is tendered
Corey Bradford UFA Texans
Jabar Gaffney UFA Texans
Jerome Pathon UFA Falcons
Joe Jurevicius UFA Seahawks
Keenan McCardell UFA Chargers
Reche Caldwell UFA Chargers
Reggie Wayne UFA Colts
Tim Carter UFA Giants
Troy Brown UFA Patriots
Garb those 3-4 (I mainly want Abraham, Peterson, Wayne) FAs and add more talent with excellent draft spots, get guys healthy and watch out...this team would be scarey. The thought of adding Abraham and Peterson to the defense is down right scarey. Spads hinted in his column that the Eagles will be very active...which makes me think they may be targetting Abraham & Wayne....remember, they have TONS of cap space next year since that 7 mill from TO will be added back into it, and possibly the $1.5 mill they're trying to get back.....
DT--so you don't consider Rocky Bernard a top-tier DT?
LB--Hunter Hillenmeyer is a RFA NOT A UFA, he'd require a 5th round draft pick if they should sign him or either a 1st or 2nd rounder if the Bears tender him in the middle; alos, Angelo Crowell, who has taken over from the injured Takeop Spikes is going to be a RFA, but would require at least a 3rd round draft pick if not tendered at the first round level.
WR--Lloyd, if the 49ers don't tender him the middle level, would require 4th round compensation.
Out of the FA receivers I'd prefer Randle El, but would be happy with either of the other 2 "marquee" guys (Lloyd or Wayne) as well. Either of those would fit the 2 first names rule as well :paranoid I think we're going to have to go with Reggie Brown as the #1 WR next year, let Lewis, Randle El, and Pinky battle it out for the 2-4 spots, and keep McMullen, McCants, or Jenkins around as the #5. If Brown develops as we all hope he will that's really not a bad receiving corps. Not as good as what we had last year, but much better than what took us to the first 3 NFC championships.
Reggie won't be ready for the #1 by next year.
Keith Bulluck anyone?
PFT reports that he's due a $7.1 cap number next year. Could be another Titan firehouse sale.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187502
He went to Syracuse. ;) And (I'm pretty sure) he helps out McNabb with the 5 foundation (or whatever it's called) in Philly and then spends his time, while there in Philly, with JK.
For the ht people, he's 6'3" OLB
Randel-El will be more valuable as a punt/kick returner. hes not a bad receiver either, plus he can throw the ball. i just like this guy. versatile and speedy. i think a great pick-up.
I'm not sold on Randle El. I think he'd be a great depth guy but since the Eagles don't have an abundance of depth at the WR position I think he'd be in over his head. Look at him now. IMO, he was much more effective as the #3 receiver last year behind Ward and Burress then he is now as a starter.
I don't see Wayne being a Peerless Price. Wayne is stronger, a better route runner, and has better hands than Price. Price was more of a one dimensional, down the field type receiver.
I certainly don't think he comes in here and is a Pro Bowl #1 receiver, but he has really improved over the last couple of years and I think he has what it takes to be a very good receiver even w/o Harrison on the other side.
And PFT had expected cap numbers the other day...not sure where they got them, and of course the cap number by itself is meaningless without knowing how many players each team has signed through next year (ie - if team A had only $5m of cap space, but all their players signed and team B had $20m of cap space, but only had 10 starters under contract, than team A would be in much better cap shape), but according to them, the Eagles are only in the middle of the pack in cap space for 2006.
QuoteEarly word is that the official cap number for 2006 will land somewhere between $92 million and $95 million per team, up from $85 million this year and higher than the previously anticipated range of $89 million to $90 million.
Even at $95 million, several teams need to trim more than $20 million in 2006 payroll. The Jets and Raiders each exceed $120 million, and the Broncos have more than $118 million committed to next season.
The Chiefs are at $114 million, and the taterskins are at $112 million.
Despite a serious purge in 2005, the Titans are at $102 million.
The Falcons are a hair under $102 million, and the Bucs are at $100 million.
The other teams currently north of the anticipated spending limit are the Fins ($97 million) and the Steelers ($96 million).
At the other end of the spectrum, the Browns are at only $61 million and the Cardinals are at $62 million. The Vikings are at $68 million, giving them yet another offseason with more than $20 million on hand in an effort to upgrade the roster.
The Packers are $70 million and the Bengals are at $71 million.
At $71 million, the Seahawks have plenty of room to sign running back Shaun Alexander, if they so choose.
The Chargers also are at $71 million, which means they can keep both Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, if they so choose.
The Niners are at $74 million, and the Bears and Jags are at $75 million.
The folks within $20 million of the expected cap are as follows: Rams ($76 million); Ravens ($77 million); Texans ($78 million); Saints ($82 million); Bills ($82 million); Lions ($83 million); Eagles ($85 million); Giants ($89 million); Cowboys ($90 million); Pats ($92 million); Colts ($92 million); and Panthers ($93 million).
Quote from: PhillyFan on December 09, 2005, 10:38:25 PM
I don't see Wayne being a Peerless Price. Wayne is stronger, a better route runner, and has better hands than Price. Price was more of a one dimensional, down the field type receiver.
I certainly don't think he comes in here and is a Pro Bowl #1 receiver, but he has really improved over the last couple of years and I think he has what it takes to be a very good receiver even w/o Harrison on the other side.
I agree with this. I've had a few talks about Wayne at the tailgates along the same lines. I think that Wayne will get paid more than he is worth, but looking at how bad the Eagles WR situation is, sometimes you have to overpay a little to get an upgrade. Brown,Lewis, Pinkston, McMullen, McCants etc is a poor lineup of WR's IMO. All those years of forcing DMAC to do everything with Thrash/Pinkston was so damn frustrating. Next years projected WR lineup is not comforting in the least. Even the biggest Pinkston fan has to be concerned with him coming off of such a serious injury. Reggie Brown is really an unknown at this point. Sure, he looks like he could develop into a nice WR, but he certainly isnt a lock for anything. God forbid he doesnt improve. I think you have to assume the worst which would be that Reggie Brown stays about the same and Pinkston never really recovers. That leaves you with a very average Greg Lewis and Reggie Brown, two wastes of time in McMullen and McCants and a prayer in Pinkston. That might be ok if your an expansion team, but it's a joke for a supposed super bowl team. Wayne is better than any Eagles WR on the roster now. Expecting him to be a TO is not reasonable, but with the pathetic free agent crop and the pathetic current WR's the Eagles have I wouldnt think twice about paying Wayne.
Quote from: PhillyFan on December 09, 2005, 10:38:25 PM
I don't see Wayne being a Peerless Price. Wayne is stronger, a better route runner, and has better hands than Price. Price was more of a one dimensional, down the field type receiver.
I certainly don't think he comes in here and is a Pro Bowl #1 receiver, but he has really improved over the last couple of years and I think he has what it takes to be a very good receiver even w/o Harrison on the other side.
And PFT had expected cap numbers the other day...not sure where they got them, and of course the cap number by itself is meaningless without knowing how many players each team has signed through next year (ie - if team A had only $5m of cap space, but all their players signed and team B had $20m of cap space, but only had 10 starters under contract, than team A would be in much better cap shape), but according to them, the Eagles are only in the middle of the pack in cap space for 2006.
QuoteEarly word is that the official cap number for 2006 will land somewhere between $92 million and $95 million per team, up from $85 million this year and higher than the previously anticipated range of $89 million to $90 million.
Even at $95 million, several teams need to trim more than $20 million in 2006 payroll. The Jets and Raiders each exceed $120 million, and the Broncos have more than $118 million committed to next season.
The Chiefs are at $114 million, and the taterskins are at $112 million.
Despite a serious purge in 2005, the Titans are at $102 million.
The Falcons are a hair under $102 million, and the Bucs are at $100 million.
The other teams currently north of the anticipated spending limit are the Fins ($97 million) and the Steelers ($96 million).
At the other end of the spectrum, the Browns are at only $61 million and the Cardinals are at $62 million. The Vikings are at $68 million, giving them yet another offseason with more than $20 million on hand in an effort to upgrade the roster.
The Packers are $70 million and the Bengals are at $71 million.
At $71 million, the Seahawks have plenty of room to sign running back Shaun Alexander, if they so choose.
The Chargers also are at $71 million, which means they can keep both Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, if they so choose.
The Niners are at $74 million, and the Bears and Jags are at $75 million.
The folks within $20 million of the expected cap are as follows: Rams ($76 million); Ravens ($77 million); Texans ($78 million); Saints ($82 million); Bills ($82 million); Lions ($83 million); Eagles ($85 million); Giants ($89 million); Cowboys ($90 million); Pats ($92 million); Colts ($92 million); and Panthers ($93 million).
I wouldn't trust PFT.com's numbers, even if they did get them from the NFL. A lot of things they don't include is Owens' contract is included in that number, so that's 8.2M refunded, they have 6.2M still this year that they'll write into NLTBEs that they'll get refunded next year--now, that's already 14.4M, plus, money they'll save by cuttin gcertain players. I look for the Eagles to have in the region of 25-30M to spend.
The way I see it, the FO only puts out the big money towards, what they consider, elite players: Runyan was the best RT in the league when he signed here...Kearse was an elite pass rusher...Owens is judged by many to be the best receiver in the league. If you're not in "elite" territory, the Iggs will just wait until June to make a "bargain-basement" offer.
Using that criterion, I believe there's a greater chance of us going after someone like Peterson rather than Wayne. Peterson -- when he's healthy -- is the best covering OLB in the NFL; he can shut down these monster TEs. Wayne, on the other hand, is the #2 receiver on a team chock full of weapons and Peyton Manning, a QB who makes Stokely look good. The only obstacle, of course, will be if Banner & Reid are willing to fork over that kinda money for a LB.
Get Randel El and Wayne. Wayne, Brown and Randel El for the receiving corps would be pretty sweet and Randel El would immediately upgrade the return game and can anyone say emergency quarterback?
But seriously, getting both would be a miracle. One or the other and Keith Bulluck would be a very very nice start.
Update the mustard packs!
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Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on December 09, 2005, 07:52:44 PM
Keith Bulluck anyone?
PFT reports that he's due a $7.1 cap number next year. Could be another Titan firehouse sale.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187502
He went to Syracuse. ;) And (I'm pretty sure) he helps out McNabb with the 5 foundation (or whatever it's called) in Philly and then spends his time, while there in Philly, with JK.
For the ht people, he's 6'3" OLB
Keith Bulluck in an Eagles uniform would make ma a very, very, very... happy man. :yay
Quote from: MURP on December 10, 2005, 12:28:42 AM
Quote from: PhillyFan on December 09, 2005, 10:38:25 PM
I don't see Wayne being a Peerless Price. Wayne is stronger, a better route runner, and has better hands than Price. Price was more of a one dimensional, down the field type receiver.
I certainly don't think he comes in here and is a Pro Bowl #1 receiver, but he has really improved over the last couple of years and I think he has what it takes to be a very good receiver even w/o Harrison on the other side.
I agree with this. I've had a few talks about Wayne at the tailgates along the same lines. I think that Wayne will get paid more than he is worth, but looking at how bad the Eagles WR situation is, sometimes you have to overpay a little to get an upgrade. Brown,Lewis, Pinkston, McMullen, McCants etc is a poor lineup of WR's IMO. All those years of forcing DMAC to do everything with Thrash/Pinkston was so damn frustrating. Next years projected WR lineup is not comforting in the least. Even the biggest Pinkston fan has to be concerned with him coming off of such a serious injury. Reggie Brown is really an unknown at this point. Sure, he looks like he could develop into a nice WR, but he certainly isnt a lock for anything. God forbid he doesnt improve. I think you have to assume the worst which would be that Reggie Brown stays about the same and Pinkston never really recovers. That leaves you with a very average Greg Lewis and Reggie Brown, two wastes of time in McMullen and McCants and a prayer in Pinkston. That might be ok if your an expansion team, but it's a joke for a supposed super bowl team. Wayne is better than any Eagles WR on the roster now. Expecting him to be a TO is not reasonable, but with the pathetic free agent crop and the pathetic current WR's the Eagles have I wouldnt think twice about paying Wayne.
I agree 100%
What I want this offseason in no particular order.
1. Two first round picks. Whether from trading up or down. This way they can draft one of the top OLBs and a first round OL.
2. A playmaking veteran OLB named Will Witherspoon.
3. A fullback for the love of god.
4. A real running back with size (or failing size, just a RB with the ability to run up the gut).
5. A free agent WR who can contribute on offense and special teams named Antwaan Randle-El.
6. Playcalling responsibilities stripped from Andy Reid.
7. Seventeen blowjobs.
8. Legitimate talent and depth on the DL, I don't care where.
Semi-interesting stuff from NFLDraftBlitz.com. (http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/EaglesColumn.htm)
QuoteOFFSEASON PLAN – Part 1
It's been argued what the Philadelphia Eagles need to do this off-season. The ongoing debate regarding which player(s) would be a perfect fit, according to position, will continue into spring. Part 1 of the off-season plan will analyze certain positions in need of an upgrade, with solutions coming from both free agency and the 2006 draft.
This Eagle team faced the toughest training camp in its history, never really shedding the negativity that cast ominous shadows across Lehigh valley. From gun-shot wounds to sit-ups, the 2005 season will be remembered as a season to, well.....forget. The expectations for this team, a few months removed from a Superbowl run, went sour like a box of milk left to spoil in the August sun. Negative contributions from T.O., the front office, Brian Westbrook, Donovan McNabb, and Jerome McDougle launched the 2005 season strait down. Situations were left to spiral out of control as the powers that be decided to brush grumblings aside, desperately trying to down-play the building dissention. That's the way this regime had done it in the past--dismissing problems as "in-house" issues that would be resolved as quickly as they had started. These problems would have been a daunting challenge for the United States government to squelch, let alone Andy Reid and his patent "cloak of silence." Andy Reid is big, but even he could not cover up the multitude of problems that swirled about camp. No one could. Not even the "gold-standard" of all organizations in professional sports....sniff.
What's done is done. Now Philadelphia fans and those who cover the team must look ahead and cleanse our collective pallets of this bad taste. This team, as dreadful as they now appear, has the core (once healthy) to get back in the saddle and gallop towards a championship next year. Donovan McNabb, who's received more criticism than Rosanne Barr's rendition of the National Anthem, is still a top quarterback in this league. Once healthy he should return to prominence and lead "his" team into familiar waters. The only real criticism that should concern Eagle fans is not his recent poor play, but questions regarding his leadership ability. McNabb had relied on his play to lead in the past but faltered once faced with verbal opposition in the locker-room. The T.O. saga did more to damage his reputation as the team leader than any external verbal assault he had previously absorbed. This includes the ridiculous criticism by the physically obese and mentally thin Rush Limbaugh, booing "draft-nicks" and hip-shot digs from call-in philosophers who flood the air-waves of 610 WIP (local sports talk radio). McNabb will be just fine and yes, good enough to win the big game.
There are many positions that desperately need upgrades. It's unfortunately not limited to a few positions, but rather a handful. This season acted as a magnifying glass in displaying the deficiencies of a team searching for a pulse.
OLB – There's been a revolving door at the outside "SAM" and "WIL" linebacker position over the last 5 seasons. Carlos Emmons left for the rival Giants and Shawn Barber saw a bigger paycheck in K.C. Since then, a caravan of mediocrity has strolled into town for a lesson in futility. Nate Wayne was consistently terrible aside from a handful of big plays on MNF. Mark Simoneau, playing out of position from the experiment at MLB, has been painful to watch. His special teams play would be the only reason I see a future for him in the NFL. Keith Adams, or as he's been playfully referred to as the "bullet," is no more than a special teams gunner in this league. Let's not for get the unforgettable Barry Gardner and James Darling, who played like their shoes were constructed of lead. Why did time have to take its toll on Willy T. and Seth Joyner?
Greg Richmond will have a chance to become a mainstay once he rehabs his problematic back. And then there's Matt McCoy. The Eagles in a half-hearted attempt to address the outside drafted McCoy out of San Diego State. McCoy was not even the best LB on that S.D. State team.....Kirk Morrison, who was drafted by the Raiders (after the Eagles pick) was clearly a better prospect. His future is a crap-shoot, but as Eagle fans have learned from Reid: linebackers are merely a by-product of a strong defense.
Solution: Sign Julian Peterson (LOLB – San Francisco). Drafting a player in the latter rounds would be wise but does not do anything for the defense now. Peterson is an elite pass rushing LB and is solid when covering TE's and RB's in pass coverage. His price tag may be higher than what the Eagles would like to spend on a position they don't place high value on. It's undoubtedly the right move at this time. With Trotter in the middle flanked by Peterson, the defense could be much more aggressive in applying pressure on opposing QB's. Peterson's ability in pass-coverage allows the entire secondary more freedom. Not having a linebacker whose proficient in man coverage, handcuffs the safeties. This move alone would improve the defense dramatically. It's time to acknowledge the impact a quality OLB can have on the overall success of a defensive unit.
FB – Josh Parry has improved to the point of serviceable. The converted linebacker has worked hard in practice and given the team his greatest effort. Unfortunately it's not enough as the running game has looked cumbersome at best. Yes, there has been other contributing factors that have prevented the running game from becoming a viable option, but this is clearly a weakness since Jon Ritchie went down to injury. A fullback who can not only run block but contribute as a receiver would add another dimension to Andy's scheme.
Solution: The ultimate solution to this area of need would come by way of the 2006 draft. He's a throwback workhorse who not only dominates at the point of attack, but becomes a serious receiving and rushing threat when used properly. Brian Leonard out of Rutgers is the perfect fit for the WCO. He would not only help talented players like Westbrook and Moats find daylight, but could become the solution to the Eagles short- yardage needs. His ideal size at 6-2 (235lbs) and rare athleticism for the FB position, makes him a weapon that can help the entire offense immediately. Selecting Leonard in the second round would add rare toughness, skill and versatility to an offense that would pose a multitude of match-up problems for opposing defenses.
*****Part 2 will explore solutions for the Offensive Line, Defensive Tackle and Wide Receiver. Please send questions or comments to the link at the top-right of the page. *****
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on December 10, 2005, 02:46:22 AM
Quote from: PhillyFan on December 09, 2005, 10:38:25 PM
I don't see Wayne being a Peerless Price. Wayne is stronger, a better route runner, and has better hands than Price. Price was more of a one dimensional, down the field type receiver.
I certainly don't think he comes in here and is a Pro Bowl #1 receiver, but he has really improved over the last couple of years and I think he has what it takes to be a very good receiver even w/o Harrison on the other side.
And PFT had expected cap numbers the other day...not sure where they got them, and of course the cap number by itself is meaningless without knowing how many players each team has signed through next year (ie - if team A had only $5m of cap space, but all their players signed and team B had $20m of cap space, but only had 10 starters under contract, than team A would be in much better cap shape), but according to them, the Eagles are only in the middle of the pack in cap space for 2006.
QuoteEarly word is that the official cap number for 2006 will land somewhere between $92 million and $95 million per team, up from $85 million this year and higher than the previously anticipated range of $89 million to $90 million.
Even at $95 million, several teams need to trim more than $20 million in 2006 payroll. The Jets and Raiders each exceed $120 million, and the Broncos have more than $118 million committed to next season.
The Chiefs are at $114 million, and the taterskins are at $112 million.
Despite a serious purge in 2005, the Titans are at $102 million.
The Falcons are a hair under $102 million, and the Bucs are at $100 million.
The other teams currently north of the anticipated spending limit are the Fins ($97 million) and the Steelers ($96 million).
At the other end of the spectrum, the Browns are at only $61 million and the Cardinals are at $62 million. The Vikings are at $68 million, giving them yet another offseason with more than $20 million on hand in an effort to upgrade the roster.
The Packers are $70 million and the Bengals are at $71 million.
At $71 million, the Seahawks have plenty of room to sign running back Shaun Alexander, if they so choose.
The Chargers also are at $71 million, which means they can keep both Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, if they so choose.
The Niners are at $74 million, and the Bears and Jags are at $75 million.
The folks within $20 million of the expected cap are as follows: Rams ($76 million); Ravens ($77 million); Texans ($78 million); Saints ($82 million); Bills ($82 million); Lions ($83 million); Eagles ($85 million); Giants ($89 million); Cowboys ($90 million); Pats ($92 million); Colts ($92 million); and Panthers ($93 million).
I wouldn't trust PFT.com's numbers, even if they did get them from the NFL. A lot of things they don't include is Owens' contract is included in that number, so that's 8.2M refunded, they have 6.2M still this year that they'll write into NLTBEs that they'll get refunded next year--now, that's already 14.4M, plus, money they'll save by cuttin gcertain players. I look for the Eagles to have in the region of 25-30M to spend.
This has been explained by the guy who does the Eagles cap on http://www.geocities/eaglescap. It has to do with the CBA and the 30% rule on salaries. The upshot is that if the CBA is not extended in time, and 2007 becomes an uncapped year, several Eagles, McNabb included, are going to have to have money added to their 2006 salaries to make up the difference. Thus, where once it was thought that the Eagles might have at least 30M under the cap to spend, that number will be 18M.
*Nevermind. He's already said that he's staying in school. bastich.
the decision alone solidifies that he's just another Rutgers dummy
He'll be a freak though. Well, a freak for any team that actually knows how to use a FB.
so his chances of being used correctly in the NFL are approximately 1 in 16?
I'll give credit to more than two coaches for using FBs well, but yeah, it's probably somewhere around 25-30%. Which means the kid will probably end up being a RB and fading into oblivion sooner than later.
thats a decent write up by draftblitz so far.
I'd love to have Brian Leonard. He's really good. He'd be a good fullback and a bruising short yardage runner. He said he's staying, huh?
Quote from: Zanshin on January 09, 2006, 01:38:40 PM
I'd love to have Brian Leonard. He's really good. He'd be a good fullback and a bruising short yardage runner. He said he's staying, huh?
I agree. He's ridiculous. But he's decided to finish up his top notch Rutgers edumacationing. Idiot. (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=CFB&id=2079980)
Can't say I think that's the best strategy for the kid. It's not like he avoids contact, and he's one miscalculated leapfrog-over-the-defender from being a could-have-been.
Quote from: Zanshin on January 09, 2006, 01:55:16 PM
Can't say I think that's the best strategy for the kid. It's not like he avoids contact, and he's one miscalculated leapfrog-over-the-defender from being a could-have-been.
Exactly. Go to nightschool in the offseason if you want a degree so goddamned badly.
i agree with the general thought that unless we can go after some big name WR, and i dont think there is a name out there, we have to go after 2 good WRs. randle el i agree would be awesome as a slot WR and as a special teams player. he is capable of trick plays lining up at QB, as we saw yesterday, and as mentioned might allow us to u know have decent field position once in a while by returning punts/kicks more than 3-5 yds. in addition to him get moulds or wayne, preferrably wayne if he isnt too expensive cause he is younger but if not him then we have to get moulds at least.
2 WRs, 1 FB, draft at OL, OLB (PETERSON!), and draft and or sign some DT cause its about time we i dont know address our run defense somewhat. its ok to have bullets at the ends but its also ok to have fat ass plugs to stuff the run in the middle.
Read in the AJC yesterday that Ike Reese could be the odd-man out at LB in ATL.
Bring Ike back. And Duce too.
Duce is done. I'd bring Ike back though.
Ike would be a good ST's move, but no thanks on Duce.
Aside from Trot, we need to upgrade the LB's, big time. Ike is'nt the answer there.
I have mixed feelings on bringing Ike back, because he clearly isn't the answer for our LB woes...but I think I'd make the move if he were available and reasonably priced.
I think Duce would be perfect here, actually. He won't be carrying much of a load, he knows the offense inside and out, he's a leader who could help get the lockerroom back to where it needs to be, he can catch, he can block, and he can run straight up the middle for 2 yards when the team actually needs it. He probably won't run for much more than that, but as far as backs that would fit into the offense go he is as close to perfect as they come.
Plus I heart him.
Yeah, but I don't know if Duce hearts the Eagles enough to come back.
I'd take Duce back in a heartbeat. God knows he's had plenty of time to rest up and be healthy. Mash, mash, mash...score!
duce is finished.
i guess he'd be okay as the backup or #3 rb but he'll have little if any impact, imo.
Can Peterson stay healthy? I agree he can be dominate but he can never stay on the field. I guess when you have the bullet and Dhani, you have to take some chances.
Duce isn't what he was back in the day obviously, but I agree with rjs here and thats why I would like to see him return.
As for Ike, he isn't the answer at LB but we're not looking him to be the answer.
The breakdown of why I think both would work and fit in here;
The common denominator between the two is that they would provide veteran leadership and are not too far removed from that locker room so their voices would still carry weight.
Westbrook - lock
Moats - lock
After these two guys there is uncertainty at the the HB position. I think that Bruce Perry makes it in part because of his KR skills and his hard running style. But ask yourself...is Duce better than Reno Mahe? You bet he is. And Duce had a big ego check in Pittsburgh this year. When he left Philadelphia he wanted to be "the guy" no he's not even suiting up for the Steelers. He is in civvies on the sidelines and that has to be eating at him. So I think he'd embrace a return to where he was comfortable and be happy with a few carries a game in short yardage or 3rd down situations.
Westbrook
Moats
Staley
Perry
As for Ike he'd be returning to his old role. He'd be a veteran leader and a special teams mainstay. He left for the $$$ like Hugh, Duce and others and found that the grass wasn't greener on the other side. We don't need him to be a stud LB. We need him to be a coach on the field and help the coverage units and maybe play some nickle LB. They can still upgrade the LB spot.
Trotter - lock
McCoy - lock because he was a high draft pick
Other than these two guys is there really a lock to make the team at LB? I don't think so. Dhani Jones is as close as you can come but he could be released just as easily as he could make the team. Simoneau is in the same spot as Jones, but i think he'll be back. Will Adams return? Will Greg Richmond ever be healthy? Can Jason Short ever be healthy and contribute to the defense in a way that Ike could?
They'll likely carry 7 LBs. Hypothetically it would look like this;
Trotter - MLB
Jones - WLB/SLB
McCoy - WLB/STs
Reese - STs / Nickle / WLB
Richmond - SLB / STs
Simoneau - WLB / MLB / STs
Free Agent
isn't the #3 hb usually expected to play special teams?
Probably. but in this case I would bet that Perry and Moats would be asked to handle most of that.
Yeah, rjs is right. Perry would be returning kicks and covering them and punts. And Moats would continue to do what he did this year on STs
Besides, in this imaginary scenerio, I wouldn't really see Moats as the true #2. He's the exact same kind of back as Westbrook without the polished pass-cating skills. I would see it more like
1. Westbrook
2a. Duce
2b. Moats
4. Perry
With Westbrook getting the vast majority of touches and Duce and Moats getting about the same number of touches/snaps. Anyway, leadership and little things are what Ike and Duce would bring. And they would bring them cheap and after this season leadership is something this team absolutely needs in the lockerroom.
Yeah, but do you think Reid is going to regularly activate four RBs on gameday?
I hope Pittsburgh wins the Super Bowl.
It would be a nice way for Duce to end his time in Pittsburgh and give him ample reason to return home and win one for us.
Something about Pittsburg bothers me. Can't say I'm rooting for them.
id rather have pittsburghs linebackers
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2006, 11:07:28 AM
id rather have pittsburghs linebackers
i'm with IGY on that one. I'd take any of them over the guys the Eagles have now. Porter, Farrior, Foote, Haggans
Well, they're not getting any of their linebackers so even discussing it here is pointless and stupid.
:-o
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2006, 11:36:55 AM
Well, they're not getting any of their linebackers so even discussing it here is pointless and stupid.
:-o
yeah, so we should talk about where the Eagles will trade TO.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 10, 2006, 11:39:33 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2006, 11:36:55 AM
Well, they're not getting any of their linebackers so even discussing it here is pointless and stupid.
:-o
yeah, so we should talk about where the Eagles will trade TO.
If push comes to shove, I'd prefer him to go to the Jets. We never play them anyway plus he'd be stuck on an awful team.
:deion
They don't even have a head coach right now. Gotta think they'll have trouble getting their shtein in gear in time to be in on the action.
i would take duce and ike both back in a jiffy. they provide leadership and ike is especially of high character. they would also help the team unify around mcnabb if anyone is even questioning his leadership.
I say move on. Ike & Duce were great when they were in Philly, but they aren't getting any younger.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 10, 2006, 02:40:38 PM
but they aren't getting any younger.
that is true for every person, ever.
i happen to know that ike is in fact getting younger.
he's 22 now.
Neither of them would be brought in to be the future of the franchise or even to be stopgap solutions, they would be brought in for the same reasons that veteran are brought in in every sport. To contribute where they can and to lead, and solidify team unity and build character in the future leaders of the team. They both have enough left in the tank to contribute and with the lack of sufficient leadership that this season exposed they would be important additions. But whatever. Won't happen.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 10, 2006, 02:44:49 PM
i happen to know that ike is in fact getting younger.
he's 22 now.
sweet, so in about 10 years we'll realize he's not good enough to start at LB.
We could probably use Ike to coach the defense now.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 10, 2006, 05:59:12 PM
We could probably definitely use Ike to coach the defense special teams now.
Agreed.
Hell, fire Morningwood and let Ike run the friggin' offense.
Now we're getting somewhere.
Lurie needs to sell the team to Ike.
Hell, Ike can come over and farg my sister!
I think I'd like to see the Eagles take a big back later in the draft - say rounds three or four. Some dude that'll get a few snaps at the goal line, or when it's 3rd and 1, and he can mix it in at FB. Doesn't have to be a stud. Don't think Duce will be back. I'd like to have Ike come back and play STs though, but I think taking him and putting him on the roster isn't anywhere near an improvment to the LB Corps, so I'd rather them get someone who can play some snaps on defense and not have to worry too much about him.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 10, 2006, 06:24:45 PM
Hell, Ike can come over and farg my sister!
He said he's on his way. That's not a direct quote, but he did sound out of breath.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 10, 2006, 06:26:20 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 10, 2006, 06:24:45 PM
Hell, Ike can come over and farg my sister!
He said he's on his way. That's not a direct quote, but he did sound out of breath.
Did you explain that his sister is not actually the girl in his aviator?
Quote from: methdeez on January 10, 2006, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 10, 2006, 06:26:20 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 10, 2006, 06:24:45 PM
Hell, Ike can come over and farg my sister!
He said he's on his way. That's not a direct quote, but he did sound out of breath.
Did you explain that his sister is not actually the girl in his aviator?
Again. (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16088.msg363419#msg363419) And you are right, my sister (who doesn't really exist) is not the chick in Aviator.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 10, 2006, 06:12:29 PM
Lurie needs to sell the team to Ike.
Forget that. Put him in charge of the cheerleaders.
:yay
The cheerleaders really don't need Ike's help.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 10, 2006, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: methdeez on January 10, 2006, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 10, 2006, 06:26:20 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 10, 2006, 06:24:45 PM
Hell, Ike can come over and farg my sister!
He said he's on his way. That's not a direct quote, but he did sound out of breath.
Did you explain that his sister is not actually the girl in his aviator?
Again. (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16088.msg363419#msg363419) And you are right, my sister (who doesn't really exist) is not the chick in Aviator.
That was a delightful movie, what's your point?
Quote from: General_Failure on January 10, 2006, 08:09:04 PM
The cheerleaders really don't need Ike's help.
You've obviously never seen Ike shake his booty on the dance floor.
:-D
:paranoid
Quote from: mhunt on January 10, 2006, 09:12:53 AM
isn't the #3 hb usually expected to play special teams?
Mike Patterson handles some of the return chores ususlly relegated to the #3 HB
A good start on the offseason of great potential. :-D
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=43146
Don Ho will jizz himself that the Eagles signed Timmy Chang.
But at least our WR problems are no more:
QuoteWide receiver Edward Simms is a 6-4, 230-pound wide receiver from William Penn College. He has been assigned to NFL Europe.
YES! Man, do they churn out the studs at William Penn College, or what?
QuoteQB Timmy Chang 6-2 194 Hawaii
Jesus. That's one skinny ass dude.
Yeah, but he's very aerodynamic.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2006, 04:28:45 PM
QuoteQB Timmy Chang 6-2 194 Hawaii
Jesus. That's one skinny ass dude.
And he's still got 20 pounds on Pinkston.
shtein, I'm 6'3" 170. Of course, I don't play football......
Quote from: General_Failure on January 11, 2006, 05:18:25 PM
And he's still got 20 pounds on Pinkston.
And Pinkston is 6'4"... ugh.
How the hell does Pinkston not blow away in a stiff breeze?
For those that don't follow college football, Chang is the all-time NCAA passing leader, but his size kept him out of the NFL...
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 11, 2006, 05:50:03 PM
For those that don't follow college football, Chang is the all-time NCAA passing leader, but his size kept him out of the NFL...
Don Ho's mentioned that over and over and over again.
From FA I'd like to get:
-REAL backup QB--Garthia, Warner, McCown, or Hasselbeck
-Solid #2 WR--Randle El, Wayne, or Lloyd
-Veteran utility OL
-DT--Grady Jackson would be nice
-DE--Howard or von Oelhoffen would be awesome
-Ike if he shakes free--can back up all LB positions, and serious ST upgrade
-JULIAN FREAKING PETERSON
-Reliable nickel/dime CB
As for the draft:
-Big RB--GET LENDALE if he's available
-LB, if no LenDale then draft Demeco Ryans or Chad Greenway
-OT to eventually replace Tra--I'd jizz myself if we get Jeremy Trueblood in the 2nd
-DT, DE, and CB if we don't address those in free agency
The main thing is that we HAVE to draft LenDale White if he's available. Not only would he give us the big back we desperately need, but he also provides an instant upgrade at KR and PR by letting Westbrook move back to those positions full-time. There's some concern that White won't be an every-down guy in the pros because he wasn't in college, but guess what--he doesn't have to be, he'll be sharing touches with a very similar back to Bush. Drafting White if we can makes so much sense that there's no way the FO will do it.
BC, while I would love you share your pipedream of drafting White, since he is exactly the kind of back that the offense needs, it isn't going to happen so stop kidding yourself. And furthermore, if they did draft him they would misuse him horribly, thereby wasting a first round pick.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 11, 2006, 05:50:03 PM
For those that don't follow college football, Chang is the all-time NCAA passing leader, but his size kept him out of the NFL...
Yet somehow Doug Flutie still has a job.
::)
Adding to the delusion: you really think they'd have Westbrook as the full time return man if they drafted White??!!
I'll have what he's smoking. :-D
DE/LB need in draft >>>LenDale White becoming an Eagle
I like White but it ain't happenin'.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 11, 2006, 07:37:08 PM
Adding to the delusion: you really think they'd have Westbrook as the full time return man if they drafted White??!!
I'll have what he's smoking.
If they had any sense that's a plan that they would consider.
Bruising back half the time, scat-back the other half with the scat-back returning kicks as he has proven to be awesome at.
But instead they'll draft an OT or a DT in the first and a big RB never and we'll see the same offense we always see. (Don't kid yourself into thinking that they'll draft a LB in the first. And don't kid yourself into thinking that I was referring to poop when I said 'scat.')
So there's no Davenports in this draft?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 11, 2006, 04:03:43 PM
A good start on the offseason of great potential. :-D
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=43146
Brandon Pinderhughes is back!!
Corey Peoples is a guy to watch out for. He was in Lehigh last year and he was laying people out. He could give Quintin Mikell a run for his money this year.
Quintin Mikell is directly response for the Eagles being 6-10 and not 5-11. Plus, JJ loves using him in goalline packages, and he's great overall on special teams. I don't think you'll see "Michael Quinton" go anywhere.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2006, 07:50:52 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 11, 2006, 07:37:08 PM
Adding to the delusion: you really think they'd have Westbrook as the full time return man if they drafted White??!!
I'll have what he's smoking.
If they had any sense
Thanks for making my point.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 11, 2006, 04:19:12 PM
Don Ho will jizz himself that the Eagles signed Timmy Chang.
TIMMY CHANG'S AN EAGLE(jizz, jizz)! TIMMY CHANG'S AN EAGLE(more jizz)!
Can I be his sponsor? Can I? Can I? Please, please, please!!!
And did I mention that he's the all time NCAA passing leader? And my son has an autographed football from Timmy? And I was at the game when he broke Ty Detmer's record? And it was against La Tech and we got to see Ryan Moats?
I haven't been this giddy since we signed TO :paranoid
(http://photos.bravenet.com/153/037/058/4/79ACAF1F97.jpg)
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 11, 2006, 05:50:03 PM
For those that don't follow college football, Chang is the all-time NCAA passing leader, but his size kept him out of the NFL...
Not to mention his penchant of throwing
a lot of ints
.
Good, we need a new McMahon to boost confidence in our struggling defense.
We should send Wilbur over to Europe.
Is he eligible to go to Europe? He'd need a passport, I think.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 11, 2006, 07:08:34 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 11, 2006, 05:50:03 PM
For those that don't follow college football, Chang is the all-time NCAA passing leader, but his size kept him out of the NFL...
Yet somehow Doug Flutie still has a job.
::)
Maybe Timmy Chang is going to Europe to perfect his drop kick.
(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nfl/2006/0101/photo/g_flutie_195.jpg)
I like the Chang pickup, he was a guy I wanted us to take a look at in the last draft. I'm not too worried about his size, he's the same height as McNabb and McMahon and only 15-20 lbs lighter than McMahon. Fits the WCO well, he's not ready to step in right away as the #2 or probably even #3 but he's better than Andy Hall.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on January 12, 2006, 05:34:35 PM
I like the Chang pickup, he was a guy I wanted us to take a look at in the last draft. I'm not too worried about his size, he's the same height as McNabb and McMahon and only 15-20 lbs lighter than McMahon. Fits the WCO well, he's not ready to step in right away as the #2 or probably even #3 but he's better than Andy Hall.
how is he better than Andy Hall?
At least he's used to playing in an offense that has no Earthly idea how to run the ball.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 12, 2006, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on January 12, 2006, 05:34:35 PM
I like the Chang pickup, he was a guy I wanted us to take a look at in the last draft. I'm not too worried about his size, he's the same height as McNabb and McMahon and only 15-20 lbs lighter than McMahon. Fits the WCO well, he's not ready to step in right away as the #2 or probably even #3 but he's better than Andy Hall.
how is he better than Andy Hall?
He can occasionally complete a forward pass?
By that logic even Mike McMahon is better than Andy Hall.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 12, 2006, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on January 12, 2006, 05:34:35 PM
I like the Chang pickup, he was a guy I wanted us to take a look at in the last draft. I'm not too worried about his size, he's the same height as McNabb and McMahon and only 15-20 lbs lighter than McMahon. Fits the WCO well, he's not ready to step in right away as the #2 or probably even #3 but he's better than Andy Hall.
how is he better than Andy Hall?
He can't possibly be worse.
hmm
http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/
QuoteWITHERSPOON THE WORD: Word is the Philadelphia Eagles, who certainly need some major rebuilding after a disastrous season, are doing a lot of homework on Panthers linebacker Will Witherspoon.
He can become a free agent in March. The Panthers are going to make a serious effort to re-sign Witherspoon before then, but the prospect of the Eagles and other teams pushing up the price tag may prompt him to test the market.
A playmaking linebacker?! I might pass out from too much bloodflow to my boner.
I won't even bother getting my hopes up.
Witherspoon and Peterson should be targets for this team. And if this team put any value on LB in the first place I would say that a first round LB should be considered in the draft as well, but I know better.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 13, 2006, 01:23:50 PM
Witherspoon and Peterson should be targets for this team. And if this team put any value on LB in the first place I would say that a first round LB should be considered in the draft as well, but I know better.
Getting one of those two guys would be big. I'm not sure how I feel about the draft, but I know the Eagles need more help on both lines more than anything else besides LB.
well with Mularky out of Buffalo, it might keep Moulds from being cut. :boo
Really? Why? I thought they were going to cut him because he's making like 11 million in 2006? I don't see why it matters who the coach is.
Withspoon was a monster in the wildcard game against the Giants. So that is good news.
Quote from: MURP on January 13, 2006, 03:16:26 PM
well with Mularky out of Buffalo, it might keep Moulds from being cut. :boo
How do you figure? Moulds had no serious beef with Mularkey...
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 13, 2006, 01:01:09 PM
hmm
http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/
QuoteWITHERSPOON THE WORD: Word is the Philadelphia Eagles, who certainly need some major rebuilding after a disastrous season, are doing a lot of homework on Panthers linebacker Will Witherspoon.
He can become a free agent in March. The Panthers are going to make a serious effort to re-sign Witherspoon before then, but the prospect of the Eagles and other teams pushing up the price tag may prompt him to test the market.
oh i like that idea :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 13, 2006, 01:01:09 PM
hmm
http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/
QuoteWITHERSPOON THE WORD: Word is the Philadelphia Eagles, who certainly need some major rebuilding after a disastrous season, are doing a lot of homework on Panthers linebacker Will Witherspoon.
He can become a free agent in March. The Panthers are going to make a serious effort to re-sign Witherspoon before then, but the prospect of the Eagles and other teams pushing up the price tag may prompt him to test the market.
I just messed myself.
Ray D had mentioned Rocky Bernard a couple weeks ago as a DT that he thinks the Eagles should look at. after seeing him play on Saturday, i think he's the type of DT that fits the Eagles scheme. not real huge, a quick, pass rushing DT that they need. would be a good pickup.
Since Didinger was mentioned, here's his FA wish list for those that missed it:
Steve Hutchinson
Rocky Bernard
Will Witherspoon
Kalimba Edwards
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 16, 2006, 09:59:51 AM
Since Didinger was mentioned, here's his FA wish list for those that missed it:
Steve Hutchinson
Rocky Bernard
Will Witherspoon
Kalimba Edwards
Nice list. Not sure how I feel about Kalimba Edwards really being much of an upgrade, but still a nice list.
if the birds got just one of the first three i would consider the offseason productive
i would imagine that Hutchinson will be franchised by Seattle, and i don't think the Eagles will trading for him.
If the Eagles get a Stud Between the tackles RB...I'll be happy.
Im tired of seeing the birds throw the ball on the goaline... :boom
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 02:48:35 PM
if the birds got just one of the first three i would consider the offseason productive
He may have had Reggie Wayne on that list too...I forget...
I have a feeling that the Colts will put the FT on Wayne.
Harrison is getting up there in years
Edge is approaching 30, which in old for a HB
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2006, 04:27:06 PM
I have a feeling that the Colts will put the FT on Wayne.
I don't think they would, because he's not one of the best 5 WR's in the league, and it would tie up a ton of salary cap cash that they likely don't have available.
Yeah, they already paid the idiot QB.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2006, 04:27:06 PM
I have a feeling that the Colts will put the FT on Wayne.
Harrison is getting up there in years
Edge is approaching 30, which in old for a HB
Only if they're read to cut ties with Marvin and his 10M roster bonus.
Little blurb from PFW today:
Quote
Though Eagles backup QBs Mike McMahon and Koy Detmer failed to impress this season after Donovan McNabb went down, sources say the team is likely to bring back both. They like Detmer as a holder, and McMahon is a favorite of new offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg.
That would be a bad sign. Hope that it's all horseshtein. :puke
PFW is as reliable as the psychic hotline. I wouldn't be surprised to see Detmer and McMahon back, but that's more a function of the poor crop of QB's available than anything else. I hope they can upgrade, but its slim pickings. http://www.theredzone.org/2006/freeagents/showposition.asp?Position=QB
I'm not sure what the contract situation is for Marvin Harrison, but I'm not so sure that Harrison is better than Wayne at this point. In the three or four times I saw the Colts play, Wayne was definitely more impressive. I've said a few times here that I think Wayne is not another Peerless Price, and that he can handle being a #1 guy. Plus Harrison is 6 years older than Wayne. If the Colts need to dump Harrison to keep Wayne, they should do so.
A bunch of the top free agents were on display this weekend and all showed why the Eagles should strongly consider them. Both Wayne and David Givens played well in their losses this weekend. Wayne is clearly the more explosive player, but Givens is a tough, crafty receiver who makes almost every catch. The biggest problem with the Eagle receivers is not their size or athletic ability, but their reliability - that's not a problem with Givens.
Will Witherspoon was all over the place again this weekend. He'd be a great new WLB. He did get run over on the one play at the goal line, but besides that he continues to show he's one of the better linebackers in the NFC. And by the way, in response to that Charlotte blog post - of course the Eagles are seriously looking at Witherspoon. He's the best free agent available at a position of need (Yes, I like him better for the Eagles than Peterson - I think he's a better fit for them).
Rocky Bernard had a nice sack and showed his ability to get after the QB. He's not a guy that will come in, play 75% of the snaps, and dominate, but he would definitely improve the DT rotation and give the Birds a better rush up the middle.
Who knows what the market will be for these guys, or even if they'll even get to free agency, but the Eagles should definitely be looking hard at all four of them.
Mr NC:
QuoteI know they plan to be very active in FA, I just don't know the targets yet ... DT, DE and LB are priorities, along with WR ... QB is a question
March 3rd can't get here fast enough. ;D
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 17, 2006, 03:47:11 PM
Mr NC:
QuoteI know they plan to be very active in FA, I just don't know the targets yet ... DT, DE and LB are priorities, along with WR ... QB is a question
Music to my ears. And my wang.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 17, 2006, 03:47:11 PM
Mr NC:
QuoteI know they plan to be very active in FA, I just don't know the targets yet ... DT, DE and LB are priorities, along with WR ... QB is a question
If they stand pat at the backup QB spots, the off-season is a failure.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 17, 2006, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 17, 2006, 03:47:11 PM
Mr NC:
QuoteI know they plan to be very active in FA, I just don't know the targets yet ... DT, DE and LB are priorities, along with WR ... QB is a question
If they stand pat at the backup QB spots, the off-season is a failure.
No way Koy & the Metro are back next year. Even Reid has to see that both were failures.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 17, 2006, 03:47:11 PM
Mr NC:
QuoteI know they plan to be very active in FA, I just don't know the targets yet ... DT, DE and LB are priorities, along with WR ... QB is a question
Nice. Those are the exact 4 priorities I have as well. Well 5 if you include QB.
He promoted Morningwood after he suggested TO and Blue Steel. This is the end of the Neckbeard era and the Dark Age of McMahon.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 17, 2006, 03:47:11 PM
Mr NC:
QuoteI know they plan to be very active in FA, I just don't know the targets yet ... DT, DE and LB are priorities, along with WR ... QB is a question
... and we pray. :evil
Rocky Bernard
Morningwood to die (slow...fast...either way I'm ok with it)
Jessica Alba at my doorstep so I can plow her
Wroten w/o drugs or Kiwi or a LB that doesn't suck
health
Dhani's bow ties take off and he quits
a 3rd for Burgess
Hutchinson
Wayne (not bc he's fast or big...but bc he catches the farging ball...and if we're going to throw 70% of the time, it would be nice to have a bunch of douches who can catch the damn thing)
Peterson?
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on January 19, 2006, 11:41:15 PM
Jessica Alba at my doorstep so I can plow her
Some people like beds, tables, or back seats. Whatever floats your boat.
I missed it... anyone have a list of the FA DT's and DE's ?
by team:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2006freeagents.htm
how about by position. or am I asking too much. :deion
GET WR David Givens; G Stephen Neal; OT Tom Ashworth; WR Tim Dwight; WR Troy Brown; QB Doug Flutie; FB Heath Evans; RB Mike Cloud; WR Andre' Davis; TE Christian Fauria; S Michael Stone; LB Matt Chatham; CB Hank Poteat; LB Don Davis; K Adam Vinatieri; CB Chad Scott; WR Cedric James.C Seth McKinney; FB Sammy Morris; OL Stocker McDougle; OL Alonzo Ephraim (RFA); QB Sage Rosenfels; WR Bryan Gilmore; RB Travis Minor; S Lance Schulters; LB Jason Glenn; S Yeremiah Bell (RFA); LB Nick Rogers; CB Kiwaukee Thomas; WR David Boston; WR Kendall Newson.C Trey Teague; WR Sam Aiken (RFA); QB Shane Matthews; LB Angelo Crowell (RFA); CB Nate Clements; DE Ryan Denney; DT Justin Bannan; LB Mario Haggan (RFA); LB Josh Stamer (RFA); LS Mike Schneck; CB Kevin Thomas; DT Ron Edwards.G Jonathan Goodwin; OT Scott Gragg; QB Vinny Testaverde; QB Kliff Kingsbury (RFA); DT James Reed; DE John Abraham; LB Kenyatta Wright; TE Chris Baker. WR Antwaan Randle El; QB Charlie Batch; WR Quincy Morgan; OT Barrett Brooks; TE Jerame Tuman; WR Sean Morey; RB Verron Haynes; DE Kimo von Oelhoffen; CB Ike Taylor (RFA); S Chris Hope; CB DeShea Townsend; LB Brett Keisel; LB Clint Kriewaldt.WR Antonio Bryant; OT L.J. Shelton; C Mike Pucillo; TE Aaron Shea; DE Orpheus Roye; LB Andra Davis; LB Ben Taylor; CB Leigh Bodden (RFA); DT Ethan Kelley (RFA); LB Orlando Ruff; CB Ray Mickens; P Kyle Richardson; S Antwan Harris.FB Jeremi Johnson (RFA); WR Kevin Walter (RFA); G Scott Kooistra (RFA); TE Matt Schobel; QB Jon Kitna; FB Nick Luchey; WR Kelley Washington (RFA); TE Tony Stewart; S Ifeanyi Ohalete; DE Carl Powell; LB Marcus Wilkins; S Anthony Mitchell; CB Reggie Myles; CB Rashad Bauman; LB Hannibal Navies; RB Kenny Watson; LB Nate Webster.RB Jamal Lewis; WR Patrick Johnson; TE Randy Hymes; OT Tony Pashos (RFA); TE Darnell Dinkins;QB Anthony Wright; RB Ovie Mughelli (RFA); RB Chester Taylor; TE Daniel Wilcox (RFA); RB Musa Smith (RFA); TE Terry Jones; DE Anthony Weaver; DT Ma'ake Kemoeatu; LB Tommy Polley; LB Bart Scott; S Chad Williams; S Will Demps; DE Jarret Johnson (RFA); DT Aubrayo Franklin (RFA); CB Dale Carter; CB Deion Sanders; P Dave Zastudil; K Aaron Elling (RFA).WR Reggie Wayne; FB James Mungro; RB Edgerrin James; WR Troy Walters; WR Aaron Moorehead (RFA); DE Raheem Brock; LB David Thornton; LB Gary Brackett (RFA); LB Cato June (RFA); DT Larry Tripplett; DE Robert Mathis (RFA); LB Rob Morris; S Joseph Jefferson; S Gerome Sapp (RFA); LB Keith O'Neil (RFA); K Mike Vanderjagt; OT Makoa Freitas (RFA); LB Rocky Calmus; WR Brad Pyatt (RFA). G Vince Manuwai (RFA); OT Mike Pearson; C Dennis Norman; OT Ephraim Salaam; TE George Wrighster (RFA); WR Cortez Hankton (RFA); RB LaBrandon Toefield (RFA); LB Akin Ayodele; S Deke Cooper; CB Kenny Wright; DE Marcellus Wiley; DT Rob Meier; LB Tracy White (RFA); LB Tony Gilbert (RFA); CB Terry Cousin; LB Jamie Winborn. WR Corey Bradford; WR Jabar Gaffney; WR Derick Armstrong (RFA); OT Seth Wand (RFA); G Fred Weary; G Milford Brown; OT Victor Riley; TE Matt Murphy; RB Jonathan Wells; QB Dave Ragone (RFA); LB Shantee Orr (RFA); LB Dashon Polk; LB Antwan Peek (RFA); LB Frank Chamberlin; LB Troy Evans; CB Jason Bell; S Ramon Walker; LS Bryan Pittman (RFA). C Justin Hartwig; DE Kyle Vanden Bosch; LB Brad Kassell; S Tank Williams; LB Rocky Boiman; S Donnie Nickey (RFA); CB Tony Beckham; LS Jon Dorenbos (RFA). WR Charlie Adams (RFA); RB Ron Dayne; DT Monsanto Pope; DT Demtrin Veal (RFA); LB Patrick Chukwurah; LB Keith Burns; S Sam Brandon; DE Marco Coleman; TE/LS Mike Leach. OT Chad Slaughter; G Corey Hulsey; TE Zeron Flemister; RB Omar Easy; WR Randal Williams; LB Grant Irons; S Jarrod Cooper; DT Terdell Sands; DT Edward Jasper; LB DeLawrence Grant; LB Tim Johnson; CB Reynaldo Hill; S Reggie Tongue; CB Charles Woodson; DT Kenny Smith. WR Chris Horn (RFA); OT Jordan Black (RFA); FB Tony Richardson; WR Marc Boerigter; QB Todd Collins; QB Damon Huard; DT Lional Dalton; DE Jimmy Wilkerson (RFA); DE Carlos Hall; CB DeWayne Washington; TE/LS Kendall Gammon.
G Kris Dielman (RFA); QB Drew Brees; WR Reche Caldwell; WR Kassim Osgood (RFA); G Bob Hallen; TE Justin Peelle; FB Andrew Pinnock (RFA); DE DeQuincy Scott; DE Jacques Cesaire (RFA); LB Ben Leber; LB Matt Wilhelm (RFA); LB Stephen Cooper (RFA); CB Jamar Fletcher; S Clinton Hart (RFA); LB Carlos Polk; OT Courtney Van Buren (RFA). OT Torrin Tucker (RFA); WR Peerless Price; OT Ethan Brooks; TE Dan Campbell; LB Scott Fujita; S Keith Davis (RFA); LB Scott Shanle (RFA); LB Eric Ogbogu; S Willie Pile (RFA); S Lynn Scott; DT Willie Blade. T Jon Runyan; WR Darnerian McCants; RB Lamar Gordon; TE Chad Lewis; RB Reno Mahe (RFA); DE N.D. Kalu; LB Keith Adams; DE Juqua Thomas; LB Zeke Moreno; S Quintin Mikell (RFA); CB Roderick Hood (RFA); K Jose Cortez; P Dirk Johnson (RFA). TE Robert Royal; G Ray Brown; TE Brian Kozlowski; RB Rock Cartwright; S Ryan Clark; DT Cedric Killings (RFA); DE Demetric Evans; LB Khary Campbell; LB Warrick Holdman; S Omar Stoutmire; CB Ade Jimoh (RFA); LS Ethan Albright. WR Tim Carter; WR David Tyree (RFA); OT Bob Whitfield; TE Visanthe Shiancoe (RFA); QB Tim Hasselbeck; WR Willie Ponder (RFA); TE Sean Berton (RFA); RB Chad Morton; DT Kendrick Clancy; LB Nick Greisen; CB Will Allen; DT Kenderick Allen (RFA); CB Frank Walker (RFA). WR Nate Burleson (RFA); C Melvin Fowler; RB Michael Bennett; WR Koren Robinson; G Toniu Fonoti; C Cory Withrow; QB Shaun Hill; RB Moe Williams; LB Keith Newman; LB Sam Cowart; S Corey Chavous; CB Brian Williams; DE Lance Johnstone; CB Ralph Brown; LB Raonall Smith; K Paul Edinger; S Willie Offord. G Terrence Metcalf; OT John St. Clair; C Roberto Garza; TE John Gilmore; QB Jeff Blake; TE Gabe Reid (RFA); LB Hunter Hillenmeyer (RFA); CB Jerry Azumah; LB Marcus Reese (RFA). OT Jeff Backus; G Kyle Kosier; C Brock Gutierrez; G Tyrone Hopson; TE Casey Fitzsimmons (RFA); QB Jeff Garcia; FB Paul Smith; RB Shawn Bryson; WR Troy Edwards; RB Artose Pinner (RFA); DE Cory Redding (RFA); LB Earl Holmes; LB James Davis (RFA); CB Andre' Goodman; S Terrence Holt (RFA); CB R.W. McQuarters; DE Jared DeVries; DE Kalimba Edwards; LB Wali Rainer; S Bracy Walker; S Vernon Fox; LB Nate Wayne; WR Kevin Johnson. C Mike Flanagan; FB William Henderon; G Grey Ruegamer; OT Kevin Barry; QB Craig Nall; RB Tony Fisher; DE Aaron Kampman; DT Grady Jackson; DE Kenny Peterson (RFA); LB Paris Lenon; K Ryan Longwell; LS Rob Davis; RB Najeh Davenport; RB Ahman Green; S Earl Little. C Jeff Mitchell; G Tutan Reyes; RB Ricky Proehl; WR Rod Gardner; OT Todd Fordham; QB Chris Weinke; RB DeShaun Foster; TE Mike Seidman (RFA); LB Will Witherspoon; S Marlon McCree; DT Kindal Moorehead (RFA); DE Kemp Rasmussen; LB Vinny Ciurciu (RFA); CB Dante Wesley; S Idrees Bashir; CB Ricky Manning (RFA); P Jason Baker; S Colin Branch (RFA); OL Matt Hill. C LeCharles Bentley; G Montrae Holland (RFA); WR Az-Zahir Hakim; TE Zach Hilton (RFA); RB Antowain Smith; TE Lamont Hall; FB Fred McAfee; RB Anthony Thomas; DE Willie Whitehead; DE Darren Howard; LB Sedrick Hodge; LB Ronald McKinnon; CB Fakhir Brown; LB T.J. Slaughter; S Mel Mitchell; LB James Allen; WR Michael Lewis. G Sean Mahan (RFA); QB Chris Simms (RFA); WR Ike Hilliard; WR Edell Shepherd (RFA); OT Todd Steussie; FB Jameel Cook; TE Dave Moore; DT Chris Hovan; S Dexter Jackson; CB Torrie Cox (RFA); CB Juran Bolden; K Matt Bryant. OT Kevin Shaffer; WR Dez White; C Austin King (RFA); OT Barry Stokes; FB Fred McCrary; WR Jerome Pathon; QB Ty Detmer; S Keion Carpenter; DE Antwan Lake; LB Artie Ulmer; S Ronnie Heard; S Kevin McCadam; S Antuan Edwards; S Omare Lowe; K Todd Peterson; LB Erik Flowers. G Reggie Wells (RFA); QB Kurt Warner; FB Obafemi Ayanbadejo; OL Adam Haayer; QB Josh McCown; FB Jarrod Baxter; WR J.J. Moses (RFA); WR Reggie Swinton; TE Teyo Johnson (RFA); FB Harold Morrow; RB James Jackson; DE Ross Kolodziej; DE Antonio Cochran; CB Robert Tate; DE R-Kal Truluck; S Quentin Harris; CB Raymond Walls; OL Ian Allen; OL Billy Conaty; DT Russell Davis; LB Gerald Hayes (RFA); DE Kenny King (RFA); DT Langston Moore (RFA); RB J.R. Redmond. C Andy McCollum; TE Brandon Manumaleuna; WR Shaun McDonald (RFA); WR Kevin Curtis (RFA); G Tom Nutten; OT Rex Tucker; TE Cameron Cleeland; QB Jamie Martin; RB Arlen Harris (RFA); RB Aveion Cason; RB David Allen (RFA); DT Ryan Pickett; CB DeJuan Groce (RFA); S Adam Archuleta; S Mike Furrey (RFA); DE Tyoka Jackson; DT Damione Lewis; DE Brandon Green (RFA); LB Trev Faulk; CB Corey Ivy; CB Chris Johnson (RFA); CB Terry Fair; P Bryan Barker; FB Chris Massey; TE Roland Williams. WR Joe Jurevicius; G Steve Hutchinson; FB Mack Strong; RB Shaun Alexander; WR Peter Warrick; OT Wayne Hunter (RFA); TE Ryan Hannam; QB Seneca Wallace (RFA); RB Maurice Morris; S Marquand Manuel; DE Rodney Bailey; DT Rocky Bernard; DE Joe Tafoya; LB Kevin Bentley; S John Howell; CB Jimmy Williams; P Tom Rouen; K Josh Brown (RFA); CB Kevin House; WR Jerheme Urban (RFA). WR Arnaz Battle (RFA); WR Brandon Lloyd (RFA); OT Anthony Clement; FB Fred Beasley; TE Trent Smith (RFA); QB Ken Dorsey (RFA); FB Chris Hetherington; WR Jason McAddley; RB Steve Bush; QB Jesse Palmer; LB Julian Peterson; LB Brandon Moore; LB Derek Smith; DE Travis Hall; CB Willie Middlebrooks; K Joe Nedney. ;D
that will make for some good training camp competition
Ron Dayne and Reno Mahe are on that list.
For shame. :boo
Wayne to stay, Edge to leave (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060122/SPORTS03/601220453/1004/SPORTS)
I hope so. That'll shut up the cries of "GET WAYNE" early on.
I bet the Colts look to grab a RB in the draft. If Maroney is there for them I think he's a Colt.
GET JAMES!
from
Mo's link:
QuoteColts owner Jim Irsay already must dole out roster bonuses of $10 million to wide receiver Marvin Harrison and $9 million to quarterback Peyton Manning, and an $8 million option bonus to defensive tackle Corey Simon. Backup running back Dominic Rhodes is due a $1.45 million roster bonus. There's a chance the team will not pay that, making him an unrestricted free agent.
Better Irsay than Lurie, I say!
Quote from: MURP on January 20, 2006, 11:17:32 AM
how about by position. or am I asking too much. :deion
DEJohn Abraham (NYJ), Darren Howard (NO), Robert Mathis (IND), Raheem Brock (IND), Anthony Weaver (BAL), Aaron Kampman (GB), Kimo von Oelhoffen (PIT), Orpheus Roye (CLE), Courtney Brown (DEN), Carlos Hall (KC), Kyle Vanden Bosch (TEN), Andre Carter (SF), Kalimba Edwards (DET), ND Kalu (PHI), Marceillus Wiley (JAX), Lance Johnstone (MIN), Jacques Cesaire (SD), Kenny Peterson (GB), Corey Redding (DET), Jimmy Wilkerson (KC), Willie Whitehead (NO), Brandon Green (STL), Demetric Evans (WAS), Kemp Rasmussen (CAR), Jarret Johnson (BAL), John Engleberger (DEN), Tyoka Jackson (STL), Juqua Thomas (PHI), DeQuincy Scott (SD), Kenny King (ARI), Ryan Denney (BUF), Antwan Lake (ATL), Carl Powell (CIN), Jared Devries (DET), Marco Coleman (DEN), Travis Hall (SF), Antonio Cochran (ARI), Adrian Dingle (ARI), Joe Tafoya (SEA), R-Kal Truluck (ARI), Rob Meier (JAX), Kenny Mixon, Jason Gildon, Chidi Ahanotu, Jay Williams
DTGrady Jackson (GB), Larry Triplett (IND), Damione Lewis (STL), Kendrick Clancy (NYG), Chris Hovan (TB), Ryan Pickett (STL), Ed Jasper (OAK), Rocky Bernard (SEA), Ron Edwards (BUF), Joe Salave'a (WAS), Ethan Kelley (CLE), Kindal Moorehead (CAR), James Reed (NYJ), Maake Kemoeatu (BAL), Lional Dalton (KC), Cullen Jenkins (GB), Michael Myers (DEN), Russell Davis (ARI), Cedric Woodard (NO), Kenderick Allen (NYG), Willie Blade (DAL), Rob Meier (JAX), Russ Kolodziej (ARI), Jordan Carstens (CAR), Langston Moore (ARI), Demetrin Veal (DEN), Rodney Bailey (SEA), Monsanto Pope (DEN), Kenny Smith (OAK), Aubrayo Franklin (BAL), Terdell Sands (OAK), Kenny King (ARI), Steve Martin (MIN), Cedric Killings (WAS), Cletidus Hunt, Tony Williams, Luther Ellis, Mario Fatefehi, Tim Bowens, Martin Chase, Wendell Bryant, Ellis Johnson, Norman Hand, Dorsett Davis
Aaron Kampman.
He is the type of guy the Eagles would look at. He'd be a nice pick-up to add to the DE rotation, IMO.
thanks Dillen37 :yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 17, 2006, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 17, 2006, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 17, 2006, 03:47:11 PM
Mr NC:
QuoteI know they plan to be very active in FA, I just don't know the targets yet ... DT, DE and LB are priorities, along with WR ... QB is a question
If they stand pat at the backup QB spots, the off-season is a failure.
No way Koy & the Metro are back next year. Even Reid has to see that both were failures.
Koy is fine as a #3, but we desperately need a real #2.
I'm as sold on Rocky Bernard as anyone I've ever been. Break the bank for this guy. Do what it takes, we have the cap room. (?)
What would a figure like him look like (I'm horrible at guessing #'s)
6 yr - 27M - 10M SB?
Bernard would be my #1 priority this offseason as well. Witherspoon, Moulds (assuming he's cut), and Hutchinson would be next.
Yeah, we need to snag Bernard. The thing is there's no shot of him staying in Seattle either. They're gonna blow most of their wad on Alexander and then (unfortunately) Hutchinson. Bernard's gotta be pretty low on their priority list.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 22, 2006, 09:37:32 AM
Wayne to stay, Edge to leave (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060122/SPORTS03/601220453/1004/SPORTS)
I just can't see them franchising Wayne. Here's my response from a thread from "over there":
QuoteSo... they're gonna franchise Wayne, their #2 WR... and allow him to count $7 million against the cap, Harrison $10 million, Manning $9 million, Simon $8 million and they want to extend Freeney this year, making him one of the highest paid defenders in the NFL? They're fine losing Edge, Tripplett, Mathis, maybe June, etc. while they lock $17 million in just their two WR's?
OK... makes sense.
They won't franchise Wayne.
I think your number estimates on Bernard are a little high, bro. I can't see him getting a $10M SB and if that is what he ends up asking for then I pass on him. I wouldn't mind Bernard at all, but not at that price.
I'd actually like to see them look at Larry Tripplett too. I liked him coming out of collge a few years ago.
I'd take Rocky Bernard, just for the name. Rocky in Philly is meant to be.
But in all seriousness, on a WR note, the more I think about Santonio Holmes, the more I want him. I just don't think the Eagles would pick him at that spot. They might if Moulds isn't cut and Wayne is re-signed, but everything would have to fall into place. I just don't care whether he's a rookie or not. He's not Freddie Mitchell, he's not Billy McMullen, he's not Na Brown, I think he's special. He has that ability of a burner to go deep. I think we need that gamebreaker type of receiver. Santonio would solve our WR problems for years to come. We could grow with him and Reggie as the 1 and 2 of this offense and won't have to worry about signing 30 year old veterans every 2 years to fill holes.
I'll reiterate that defense is the #1 priority, so if we still have holes going into the draft at defense then they must be filled first, but if it's taken care of in free agency, take Holmes.
If WR isn't a need and Wayne and Moulds are out there then I'd take a serious like at Lendale White. We need a productive running game. These playoffs showed that.
What's the workup on Simon's contract...doesn't he have a 6m roster bonus or something? That'll be interesting.
Simon's contract was something like an $8M SB and then another option bonus this year. Irsay got pants'd by Roosevelt barnes on that deal.
Bernard might fetch a $5-6M SB. I'd be cool with that.
Yeah, I suck ass at guessing contracts. I looked at Walker, but he came ridiculously cheap...like 1.5 per (7yr 11.25m?). I figured Rocky was more than that so I just looked at Fergy's contract and gave him more. Hell, I'd take him at that price, why not, we need it. He also plays a little DE. :)
Watching the game today, I wonder if Santonio has a bad attitude like Steve Smith barking on the sidelines. Just bring it up because Big Red might avoid any personality that even resembles a TO attitude. Of course, I'm just basing this off his (Fiesta?) Bowl game I watched when he hot dogged it in the endzone and almost had a fumble out of bounds by that boxer dude from ND that I want on our team in 2 years.
I'm not real high on Santonio. I would stay away from him and focus on other areas. No round 1 WR this year. Must look DE first and go from there.
I don't see any way in hell the Eagles take a WR #1 this year. Pinkston is already the oldest of the group, and he's only been in the league 5 years (including this year that he didn't play). Youth and inexperience is the last thing the WR corps needs. After watching Randle-El yesterday, I'd take him... or Wayne or Moulds. Moulds is probably still my first choice.
Rocky Bernard's a good player. I'd love to get him too.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 22, 2006, 11:23:30 PM
Simon's contract was something like an $8M SB and then another option bonus this year. Irsay got pants'd by Roosevelt barnes on that deal.
The option bonus due Simon next year is 8 million.
Heh. How much fatter will Simon get this offseason; that's the question.
I read that article about the Colts and was really suprised that it seemed to assume that they were going to pay Simon 8 million. Not paying him wasn't even mentionned. With all the other things they have going on, why would they just give him that money?
Did he play that well for them?
we don't need to draft another WR. we all know that takes to long for them to develop into a even average WR. Reggie Brown is good and has shown flashes of being very capable starting WR. i'd rather trade or sign a proven veteran. we don;t have years to mold a receiver. we need someone who can step in instantly and be good.
agreed on the wr...unless one fell to a point where you couldnt pass him i wouldnt take a wr in the entire draft...i take almost exclusively athletically gifted front seven defenders
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2006, 01:13:55 PM
i take almost exclusively athletically gifted front seven defenders
agreed, after you take a OT in the 1st round
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2006, 01:13:55 PM
i take almost exclusively athletically gifted front seven defenders
Hells yeah. :yay
make a bid for S.Alexander (Westbrook is versatile but not the best RB) Alexander and another receiver with experience.Alexander with Westbrook would create an awesome display on offense.
Lavar Arrington from the skins.
If we're going to have a linebacker that doesn't know how to play he might as well be a big name.
Might as well forget about that whole salary cap thing, too. Alexander, Vet WR and Arrington? :sly
Quote from: The Count on January 24, 2006, 05:33:40 PM
make a bid for S.Alexander (Westbrook is versatile but not the best RB) Alexander and another receiver with experience.Alexander with Westbrook would create an awesome display on offense.
Lavar Arrington from the skins.
This ain't Madden, cuz
Quote from: General_Failure on January 24, 2006, 06:04:17 PM
If we're going to have a linebacker that doesn't know how to play he might as well be a big name.
You mean other than Trotter?
Put stillupfront out there with Arrington and Trotter. Get him all cracked up like LT.
Randle-El is primo on my WR wishlist. IMO, if we're gonna sign a WR, I think he needs to be able to return punts/kicks, and the fact that El can also get into some trick plays gives me the old proverbial football woodie.
eckel is on wip advocating the eagles trade for bryant johnson...interesting idea...tho hes of course throwing it out there not having any clue to whether arizona would move him
he luvs him sum wide receivers named Johnson
eh...Eckel will throw just about anything against the wall to see if it sticks.
in his article he also wants the Eagles to draft Michael Robinson to be the #3 QB and draft Tamba Hali in the first round.
Quote from: methdeez on January 23, 2006, 01:05:29 PM
I read that article about the Colts and was really suprised that it seemed to assume that they were going to pay Simon 8 million. Not paying him wasn't even mentionned. With all the other things they have going on, why would they just give him that money?
Did he play that well for them?
No, and he didn't play much either. If he was in on half the defensive snaps, I'd be surprised. I was puzzled by that aspect of the article as well..apparently it's a foregone conclusion that 8 mil goes to Simon instead of the others. That's some strange thinking, imho.
in his article he also wants the Eagles to draft Michael Robinson to be the #3 QB and draft Tamba Hali in the first round
id take a chance on robinson in the 9th round....and id rather have chad greenway than hali
Hugh was on WIP too and said the Eagles don't need Hali (or any other DE) if McDougle returns, Cole continues his progress and they sign a decent DT like Rocky Bernard (who everyone likes). Angelo wanted to know why Hugh was sticking up for McDougle, then he remembered that both have Rosenhaus as their agent...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2006, 09:27:18 AM
id rather have chad greenway than hali
I wouldn't. But it's a close call.
I do agree that, considering the situation, upgrades at DT and OLB
should make the existing DE rotation better. That said, they still need a 4th guy not named Juqua Thomas for the rotation, even if McDougle is healthy.
Quote from: MURP on January 30, 2006, 09:19:46 AM
in his article he also wants the Eagles to draft Michael Robinson to be the #3 QB and draft Tamba Hali in the first round.
I figured what the hell, so here it is in its entirety:
QuoteOffering a little help to Eagles
Sunday, January 29, 2006
MARK ECKEL
Andy Reid, his coaches and his scouts spent last week in Mobile, Ala., where he watched some of his future players work out in preparation for the Senior Bowl.
It was the first time since 2000 that Reid attended the workouts; every other year he was busy. Those NFC championship games kept getting in the way.
"I can't say I missed being there, because I would rather be doing what we were doing the past few years," Reid said. "But I have to admit, I do like watching the players."
If you remember, the Senior Bowl practices are where Reid became convinced that Donovan McNabb was his guy before the 1999 draft.
In any event, Reid's offseason is underway. He didn't ask for help, but we're going to give it to him anyway, in the form of what the 2006 Eagles would look like if he did ask.
Keep in mind, this is being done with my opinion, but also with the knowledge of what positions the Eagles stress and which ones they do not.
Time's mine:
OFFENSE Quarterbacks - Donovan McNabb, Jon Kitna, Michael Robinson.
McNabb back and healthy - and reportedly he is ahead of schedule in his rehab from the sports hernia surgery he underwent in December - makes the Eagles a wild-card contender at the least.
Kitna, who the Bengals are not believed to be very interested in retaining, is about as good as you are going to get in terms of a veteran backup. He earned $1 million last year in Cincinnati, which is only $60,000 more than the Eagles paid Mike McMahon.
Robinson, who took Penn State to an incredible season, intrigues the heck out of me, and under the Eagles' coaching staff, might really flourish. They could probably get him with one of their three fourth-round picks, or maybe even a fifth-rounder.
Running Backs - Brian Westbrook, Ryan Moats, Bruce Perry, Duce Staley, Josh Parry.
Westbrook got $9 million last year in bonuses, which guarantees him being the No. 1 man, and likely precludes the Eagles from drafting a running back with an early pick.
Moats showed enough as a rookie to be in the mix in 2006. So did Perry, especially as a kickoff returner if nothing else.
Staley is the name that jumped out at you, right? He's been inactive through most of the season and all through the playoffs for Pittsburgh, and probably won't dress in the Super Bowl, either. One thought is the Steelers will bring him back to replace Jerome Bettis next year. But is he worth $2.5 million in base salary and $4.37 million against the cap? It would cost the Steelers $800,000 to release him.
What might be the key is Staley's pride. Would he be able to come back in a reduced role, or as a starting fullback? There is no question his presence in the locker room would be welcomed.
Wide Receivers - Reggie Brown, Bryant Johnson, Todd Pinkston, Greg Lewis, Jonathan Orr.
Brown is being penciled in as the No. 1 receiver next year. That's fine, but he's going to need help.
If Pinkston is healthy, that's great. But Achilles injuries are tricky.
Johnson, out of Penn State, is Arizona's No. 3 receiver, behind stars Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. Johnson is not a star, but he's good and could be very good as an Eagle. He has great size (6-foot-3, 214 pounds), and caught 40 passes last year behind Boldin and Fitzgerald, who caught 100 each. Plus, Johnson only makes $602,000 this year and $751,000 next year.
Arizona has plenty of needs and may be willing to trade its third receiver to fill some. The Eagles should at least call. A second-round pick might do it. I'd offer a third-round pick and a player. The Cards need help on both lines and in the secondary.
Lewis will be much more effective in a backup role. Orr is a big receiver (6-3, 209) from Wisconsin.
Tight Ends - L.J. Smith, Jason Pociask, Mike Bartrum.
Smith will be fine. Pociask (6-3, 256), also out of Wisconsin, is the best blocking tight end in the draft and could last until the middle or late rounds. Tim Day of Oregon is another possibility but the team might have to use a higher pick.
Bartrum will be back to long snap.
Offensive Line - Jon Runyan, Shawn Andrews, Jamaal Jackson, Adrien Clarke, Todd Herremans, Calvin Armstrong, Artis Hicks, Hank Fraley, Scott Young.
This all changes if the Eagles can't get a deal done with Runyan, but they should do all they can to get one done. Get rid of Tra Thomas and use his money for Runyan's new deal.
If Runyan goes, a much higher pick will be needed, like a first-rounder (Marcus McNeil of Auburn?).
The guards are set. The team likes Clarke a lot. Let Fraley and Jackson battle it out for center in training camp.
Defensive Ends -Jevon Kearse, Trent Cole, Tamba Hali, Jerome McDougle.
Hali, yet another Penn State product, could be the 14th pick in the draft. He's a good fit with Kearse and Cole as another of what Reid likes to call "throwing fastballs at the offense."
The Eagles are not ready to give up on McDougle just yet, so I won't either - as a fourth end.
Defensive Tackles - Mike Patterson, Rocky Bernard, Darwin Walker, Sam Rayburn, Hollis Thomas.
Bernard, a free agent from Seattle, would be the top priority in free agency. The 6-3, 293-pound inside pass rusher is just what the defense needs and would work well in a rotation with Patterson and the others.
Rayburn could be the trade bait needed to land Johnson from Arizona. If not, bring him back and hope he returns to 2004 form.
The Eagles might not want Thomas back, but he's still their best pure run stopper. If they let him go, they better draft a big man to replace him.
Linebackers - Jeremiah Trotter, Thomas Howard, Greg Richmond, Matt McCoy, Keith Adams, Mark Simoneau, Spencer Havner.
If Howard, out of UTEP, makes it to the Eagles in the second round, they should take him and break that second-round linebacker jinx. He even may be worth moving up in the round to get, since the team has at least two extra picks and likely will get more.
Richmond might be the sleeper here. Defensive coordinator Jim Johnson raved about him last spring, and then he hurt his back and landed on injured reserve. He could be the starter on the strong side.
Adams belongs back in his old roles, fourth linebacker and special teams ace. Simoneau also is a decent backup, but the team may decide to let him go and keep a younger backup like Jason Short. That would work, too.
Havner, out of UCLA, is a playmaker who may fall to the second day of the draft.
Defensive Backs - Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, Rod Hood, Donald Strickland, Brian Dawkins, Mike Lewis, Sean Considine, Quintin Mikell, Matt Ware.
This group doesn't change much, and it shouldn't.
Kicker - David Akers.
Look for a healthy, bounce-back year.
Punter - Dirk Johnson.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 30, 2006, 09:25:31 AM
Quote from: methdeez on January 23, 2006, 01:05:29 PM
I read that article about the Colts and was really suprised that it seemed to assume that they were going to pay Simon 8 million. Not paying him wasn't even mentionned. With all the other things they have going on, why would they just give him that money?
Did he play that well for them?
No, and he didn't play much either. If he was in on half the defensive snaps, I'd be surprised. I was puzzled by that aspect of the article as well..apparently it's a foregone conclusion that 8 mil goes to Simon instead of the others. That's some strange thinking, imho.
That's because Simon's 8M bonus is GUARANTEED. That was reported way back when he signed with the Colts and it was the only reason he signed with them.
So, he's a proponent of adding no one to the offensive line mix from the 2005 group and only drafting some guys to add to the LB corps. More proof that Eckel's completely retarded.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on January 30, 2006, 12:35:27 PMThat's because Simon's 8M bonus is GUARANTEED. That was reported way back when he signed with the Colts and it was the only reason he signed with them.
Ah, I get it. Boy, he robbed them. :-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 30, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
So, he's a proponent of adding no one to the offensive line mix from the 2005 group and only drafting some guys to add to the LB corps. More proof that Eckel's completely retarded.
Yep.
BTW: Robinson played great as a senior but by all accounts was horrendous during the S.B. practices. Then he comes out and plays pretty well (running it, anyway) during the game.
Is this a pretty common occurance with him or is it just coincidental this week?
Michael Robinson is a terrible QB. Even the homeriest of the PSU homers can see that. He's a hell of an athlete and seems to have good leadership qualities, but he will almost certainly never be a productive pro QB.
That's what I thought. Then I start reading ish like Eckel's saying he'll be drafted in the 4th round. What, as an "athlete" or a quarterback? After all, the dude spent most of last week playing at different positions than QB but then ends up playing QB during the game.
Confusing.
I don't think Robinson can be a top-tier QB in the NFL either, but I'd be happier with him as our backup than either of the 2 guys we have now. Just his athleticism alone is worth it.
And I definitely think someone will grab him in rounds 4-5.
I think someone will grab him in the mid rounds too and I think they're going to end up being pissed off that they did it.
Robinson is a very poor passer. His mechanics are average at best, he locks on to his primary receiver, and he tends to float the ball and overthrow. He compensated for this with his remarkable escapability and physical ability in college, but there is no way he could be productive as an NFL QB. There is a slight chance he could be productive at another position, such as WR, RB, PR/KR, or possibly DB... but he would get eaten alive at QB against even the worst NFL secondaries.
i dont even think robinson is that athletic....hes tough as nails but his speed and size will be negated by the bigger faster nfl players...youre not in the big ten anymore dorothy
hed be great north of the border
IGY loves the talent in the Big 10. Loves it.
its just so damn slow...i mean santonio holmes is a burner in that league...he couldnt even walk on at one of the florida schools
LOVES IT!
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2006, 03:07:34 PM
its just so damn slow...i mean santonio holmes is a burner in that league...he couldnt even walk on at one of the florida schools
recognize Brian Calhoun son! Recognize!
yeah and where is calhoun from?...georgia...tennessee or one of those downhick states...hes the exception...most players in the big ten hail from michigan ohio pennsylvania or alberta
no doubt I agree the Big 10 has some slowness. I'll have to disagree however that Holmes is a slow player... and Ted Ginn is fast as all hell.
Derrick Williams is quite fast, too. He's certainly not tall or physical, but he was getting a ton of separation.
here we go with naming the four players in the big ten with speed
i didnt say there wasnt a single fast player in the entire big ten
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2006, 03:34:57 PM
here we go with naming the four players in the big ten with speed
i didnt say there wasnt a single fast player in the entire big ten
Yeah, but Santonio is pretty quick, and you were dogging him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2006, 03:34:57 PM
here we go with naming the four players in the big ten with speed
i didnt say there wasnt a single fast player in the entire big ten
Will Santonio Holmes have a faster 40 time than atleast 1 florida school WR during the combine?
Michael Bennett too, unless you're sticking to current college players...
actually holmes is from florida so he contains some quicks and thus proves my point even further
but can we just all agree the big ten is sloth like....my head is starting to hurt
Bennett is from Milwaukee and Randle El is from Illinois :-\
Calhoun was born in Wisconsin and played his highschool ball there also.
you got me ed...in the 110 year history of the big ten...yes....there has been a fast player
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2006, 03:52:13 PM
you got me ed...in the 110 year history of the big ten...yes....there has been a fast player
Ron Dayne outran the whole Cowboy defense this year.
Duckett...Alstott...Chris Perry...Larry Johnson...them RBs is built for the cold
Tapeh :paranoid
while we are talking about the Big Ten and speed...
on EA Sports NCAA 2006, the theme is playmakers. so at the main menu, they have clips of great playmakers from the past: Peyton Manning, Tim Brown, Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Desmond Howard (also on cover), Ricky Williams, the LeVar Leap, Ron Dayne, so on...
i know who everyone is in each clip except for one and it bothers me. from the uniforms and equipment, it appears to be late 80's, early 90's Ohio State running back, wearing a number in the 40's. anybody got a clue? i was thinking Robert Smith, but didn't know if he was that great in college.
Eddie George?
Yeah. Speed was definitely the name of his game.
no douche, they guy i'm talking about was wicked fast, thus eliminating Eddie George
Was it definitely a running back? If not, it could have been Joey Galloway, maybe?
Eddie George?
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 30, 2006, 05:40:27 PM
Was it definitely a running back? If not, it could have been Joey Galloway, maybe?
Joey Galloway went to Ohio State?
it might be him, good call. i have to look closer tonight and see exactly what the number on the guy's jersey is, that way we can all work together and solve this great mystery
David Boston?
Eddie George?
Archie Griffin
(http://www.motivatedpartners.com/images/Archie_Griffin.jpg)
Galloway wore #7 at Ohio St.
early 90's maybe Robert Smith.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 30, 2006, 05:28:49 PMi was thinking Robert Smith, but didn't know if he was that great in college.
He was the 21st pick of the 1993 draft, so he was OK... :)
Smith switched between a lot of numbers at OSU...#26, #32, #44...
He had #20, #26 and #44 with the Vikings...
actually, i think that's keith byars
Eddie George?
Quote from: rjs246 on January 31, 2006, 08:20:04 AM
Eddie George?
I heard he ran the 40 in 4.15. I'm just saying what I heard.
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060131/capt.dtf14501311925.super_bowl_seahawks_football_dtf145.jpg)
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060131/capt.dtf23501311845.super_bowl_football_dtf235.jpg)
I was watching then... and all I could do was picture an Eagles jersey on him. Have to change that number though.
What a beast. F winning or losing the Super Bowl. Come to the Birds. We've got to throw mad coin at him. Even if it is for a rotational player. We sign him and 75% of our off-season is complete.
"How many teams will bid for Shaun Alexander if he hits the open market? It's hard to say. But the Vikings have a new owner and salary cap money to burn ($18 million under). So do the Cardinals ($25 million under), who will be moving into a new stadium next year. And the Browns ($24 million under) could be a player, too. It's conceivable that a team like the Eagles or Cowboys, possibly one impact player away from Super Bowl status, could enter the fray.
-- Milwaukee Journal Sentinel"
A true running back in Philly :o Now that's something I'd cheer about!
0% chance the Eagles make a bid for Shaun Alexander.
book it.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on February 02, 2006, 05:22:13 PM
0% chance the Eagles make a bid for Shaun Alexander.
book it.
0% is a little silly.
It's probably more like 0.6%, and that rounds up to 1%!
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 06:32:52 PM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on February 02, 2006, 05:22:13 PM
0% chance the Eagles make a bid for Shaun Alexander.
book it.
0% is a little silly.
It's probably more like 0.6%, and that rounds up to 1%!
So you're saying there's a chance!! Alright!
anyone else sickened at all the attention tatupu has gotten the last two weeks...meantime the eagles cant buy a good linebacker
Tatupu would have sucked as the MLB for the 2005 Eagles.
Not only Tatupu but Leroy Hill too. Both of them are rookies and playing very, very good.
I thought (and so did many others other than Doctor Z) that Seattle reached like a mother to get Tatupu.
That's weird that an NFL team would know more than Dr. Z. He's by far my least favorite sports writer. Boring, senile, lacking basic knowledge of the sport, the usual.
My revised wishlist (because I'm bored, eat it):
LB:
1. Witherspoon
2. Peterson
3. Greenway
4. Arrington, since he couldn't possibly be worse than what they have now and has all the athletic ability in the world despite his inability to be coached.
WR: (only one)
1. Randel-El
2. Moulds
G:
1. Hutchinson
T:
1. Rookie (1st rounder?)
DT:
1. Rookie (2nd rounder?) (Dont really think Rocky Bernard would be all that great since he's another small, 'motor' guy. Can't this team have a guy with size who can also get to the QB? Do those even exist anymore?)
DE:
1. Anyone who has more than 20 career sacks.
RB:
1. TJ Duckett
2. Lendale White (not going to happen)
3. Duce Staley (if healthy)
because I'm bored
this should make for fun times on the board this afternoon
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2006, 12:45:11 PM
DT:
1. Rookie (2nd rounder?) (Dont really think Rocky Bernard would be all that great since he's another small, 'motor' guy. Can't this team have a guy with size who can also get to the QB? Do those even exist anymore?)
Just for fun. From NFL.com:
Rocky Bernard: 6'3" 293lbs.
Corey Simon: 6'2" 293lbs. (rrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!)
You sure Rocky qualifies as "small"? ;D
If the Eagles draft a developmental player, I hope it is this kid, who could step in for Dawk when the time comes. Watch the RB. :-D
(http://media.putfile.com/Kylar)
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on February 03, 2006, 01:21:08 PM
If the Eagles draft a developmental player, I hope it is this kid, who could step in for Dawk when the time comes. Watch the RB. :-D
(http://media.putfile.com/Kylar)
:o
Sign that mutherfarger up! :-D
OMG... the one kid in yellow is twice the size of any of the other kids.
lol...that running backs head is so big
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 01:25:42 PM
lol...that running backs head is so big
All their heads look huge. They are fourth graders running around wiht official size helmets on. :D
Jesus Christ, I'm more impressed by the 8 year old kid wearing 99. He's already like 5 feet tall and 200 lbs!
All their heads look huge. They are fourth graders running around wiht official size helmets on
i guess the fact that kids head got snapped back like a crash head dummie made it stand out more
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 01:25:42 PM
lol...that running backs head is so big
I'm impressed with him just for getting right back up.
That kid's already better than Simoneau.
Sean Johnson
Born: 1996
Ht: 3'4"
Wt: 58 lbs
Pros: Excellent acceleration. Pursuit is relentless. Gets through trash well and uses hands well to get off constant chips and cuts. Demands juiceboxes.
Cons: Poor COD. Coverage skills are lacking, but atheletic ability is raw. 4 coaches in 3 years. Plays too emotional, holds school record for time-outs. Goes for the 'big hit' in dodgeball and kickball rather than making the sure out.
He's already got two pounds on Pinky. Sign his ass up!
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 03, 2006, 05:30:16 PM
Sean Johnson
Born: 1996
Ht: 3'4"
Wt: 58 lbs
Pros: Excellent acceleration. Pursuit is relentless. Gets through trash well and uses hands well to get off constant chips and cuts. Demands juiceboxes.
Cons: Poor COD. Coverage skills are lacking, but atheletic ability is raw. 4 coaches in 3 years. Plays too emotional, holds school record for time-outs. Goes for the 'big hit' in dodgeball and kickball rather than making the sure out.
:-D
Now is the time to seriously get into who we want now that the season is over.
Could the Eagles trade TO tomorrow if they wanted or do they have to wait until march?
You're kidding with this shtein, right? It's stated at least a dozen times in this thread. Jeez.
Hey dudes, can we start thinking about trading TO yet? Is anyone interested in him? Has anyone heard anything about TO lately at all? Does anyone have his address? I'd like to give him a hug and maybe talk a little with him about him. I miss him.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 06, 2006, 10:19:09 AM
Hey dudes, can we start thinking about trading TO yet? Is anyone interested in him? Has anyone heard anything about TO lately at all? Does anyone have his address? I'd like to give him a hug and maybe talk a little with him about him. I miss him.
1234 STFU Place
Go farg Yourself, Iowa
Zip code please.
:-D
Is there a problem with TO?
He knows about Darwin Walker's status and won't tell anybody.
Roob chat with Heckert (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-02052006-608533.html)
Highlights:
-Tra will be back and will be fine, allegedly.
-McCoy is going to be good, supposedly.
-McMahon may come back next year, unfortunately.
QuoteHeckert said the Eagles probably won't be pursuing big-name free agents during the offseason, mainly because there isn't expected to be much high-end quality in the areas the Eagles need help. Expect them to wait until the first wave of high-priced free agents are gone and then go bargain hunting for functional players who won't be looking for massive deals.
:-D :boom
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 06, 2006, 04:02:53 PM
QuoteHeckert said the Eagles probably won't be pursuing big-name free agents during the offseason, mainly because there isn't expected to be much high-end quality in the areas the Eagles need help. Expect them to wait until the first wave of high-priced free agents are gone and then go bargain hunting for functional players who won't be looking for massive deals.
if true, that's one of the most disheartening things I've read in a long time.
so, Rocky Bernard isn't high priced, or he's not high-end quality in an area they need?
'cause, he seems to be the perfect type of DT that they are looking for.
I agree. If true I'll be angry beyond words. Probably BS though.
after 2003 playoffs: "I'm satisfied with our wide receivers."
So.....I get to tell PG she's an imbecile, because she said it was ridiculous to say we wouldn't pick up a top flight WR in free agency. ::)
Considering there's only going to be one available (maybe) in Reggie Wayne, I'd say that's a fair assumption.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 06, 2006, 04:10:28 PM
if true, that's one of the most disheartening things I've read in a long time.
i agree. if true...
yeah, the 'if true' is huge, obviously. however, the more i think about it, the more i convince myself that they are way too smart to not do anything in free agency.
They're dumb enough to do anything. I don't put anything, brilliant or idiotic out of the realm of the probable.
i would think that Heckert's statement was totally BS but last year they only signed Mike McMahon...so, yeah.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 06, 2006, 04:02:53 PM
-McCoy is going to be good, supposedly.
Quote"We have to decide on Matt," he said. "I know people are counting him out, but our opinion of him hasn't changed. I'd be shocked if he's not a great player."
:o :o I think that needs repeated again. The Eagles GM would be SHOCKED if McCoy is not a GREAT player. Be afraid.
they have to decide what? if he can be a starter this year? if he can make the team this year? what?
Quote from: MURP on February 06, 2006, 04:55:54 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 06, 2006, 04:02:53 PM
-McCoy is going to be good, supposedly.
Quote"We have to decide on Matt," he said. "I know people are counting him out, but our opinion of him hasn't changed. I'd be shocked if he's not a great player."
:o :o I think that needs repeated again. The Eagles GM would be SHOCKED if McCoy is not a GREAT player. Be afraid.
well he did block two punts for me in madden 06 over the weekend
I have hope for McCoy next year, at least he plays with a mean streak. Even if that streak lasts for 4 plays. Can't be worse than 'The Bullet'. If I was a bullet, I'd sue Keith Adams for slander.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 06, 2006, 04:59:55 PM
well he did block two punts for me in madden 06 over the weekend
I'm sold.
Eh, McCoy not so sure.
Because McCoy is 'going to be great' shouldn't mean that we aren't going to go after Will Witherspoon. The guy just turned 25 and is coming off a great year.
If the Eagles want to spend money in FA, it will be for him. He's extremely young and talented, and he fills a need position. I could understand if he was near 30, but he has a ton of good playing years ahead of him.
Damnit! I want FA to start now!
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 06, 2006, 05:12:50 PM
I have hope for McCoy next year, at least he plays with a mean streak. Even if that streak lasts for 4 plays. Can't be worse than 'The Bullet'. If I was a bullet, I'd sue Keith Adams for slander.
:-D :-D
I'm not going to give up on McCoy yet either. I think he has some potential. I like his "hit everyone and ask questions later" mentality.
I look foward to another year of zero pass rush from Freak, ND Kasuck, Trent Cole and Jerome "The Bullet" McDougle
Kalu is a FA who will not be back.
Whatever. They still won't solve that problem.
Well aren't you a ball of negativity tonight, mister.
Kearse
Cole
Kiwanuka (or Mario Williams if a miracle happens)
Kampman
McDougle
That's is how I'd like to see the 2006 rotation
I'm no ESer. I also don't know if drafting some DE is gonna do the trick. After the McDougle fiasco, I'd rather see us go LB (massive problem the last two years) and get a DE later in the draft or through free agency. Witherspoon would be cash, but do you really think Andy's gonna get in a bidding war for a position he doesn't value?
Kiwanuka = Jon Harris
I would rather draft a DE and sign a LB in FA. Granted McDougle hasn't yet panned out, but I'm not giving up on him yet either.
But when you look at the history if drafted LBs under Big Red it is less than appealing. Caver, Gardner, McCoy...all 2nd rounders.
I think he knows he needs to upgrade the OLBs. Go out and get an established LB instead of hoping for a draft pick to work.
I still think the team needs a real SAM LB much more than they need a WIL.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 06, 2006, 10:23:32 PMI think he knows he needs to upgrade the OLBs. Go out and get an established LB instead of hoping for a draft pick to work.
Keep dreaming. Nate Wayne, Dhani Jones, Keith Adams, Mark Simoneu, Jeremiah Trotter the 2005 version. The list of mediocrity at linebacker goes......
I think Mario makes me hard. Looks like a can't miss, maybe the best sure shot in the draft at DE. That being said, he's a top 5(ish) pick. There's so much to watch on that team...you can watch the game 3 times and focus in once on their front 3. Amazing.
I'm going to break out all the pre-season tapes soon and rewatch them. Then I can slowly build myself up for one failure of a season.
Quote from: MDS on February 06, 2006, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 06, 2006, 10:23:32 PMI think he knows he needs to upgrade the OLBs. Go out and get an established LB instead of hoping for a draft pick to work.
Keep dreaming. Nate Wayne, Dhani Jones, Keith Adams, Mark Simoneu, Jeremiah Trotter the 2005 version. The list of mediocrity at linebacker goes......
2005 Trotter was mediocre?
And that list, as bad as it is, is better than the drafted guys.
FF,
I wouldn't mind a real SAM either. Peterson is out there. And the Colts SAM, David Thornton is a FA too. I wish they would've signed Marcus Washington two years ago. I really wanted him here.
No way on Peterson. Brittle and expensive.
Is Thornton really any better than the air guitar bow-tied fruit?
Yup. Trot even admitted he wasn't good himself. Pretty much the entire team blew this year.
They are better than the drafted guys, but we never took a shot on a first round guy. Like why don't we trade up for a stud LB like AJ Hawk or Demeco Ryans (though he could fall)? No more bargain basement rent a linebackers. And no more Mark Simoneu!!
The draft, even early in it, is hardly a guarantee of getting a STUD. Trading UP for a linebacker would be easily in the top 5 boneheaded moves by the current Eagles regime.
I want a good LB, and I know their not gettin into a bidding war for Witherspoon. What else ya got in mind?
Well, if Witherspoon won't be attainable. And Peterson is too expensive and "brittle". And Thornton isn't good enough I don't know who else is out there.
Hunter Hillenmeyer might be an option.
Witherspoon is probably attainable at a highish price... but then the team has 4 guys who should be playing WIL, one MLB, and Greg farging Richmond. Jeezus, their situation makes my ears bleed.
Any guys in the draft made to play the strongside?
Bobby Carpenter from Ohio State.
Manny Lawson could move to SAM because of his size.
Then, why the hell is anyone talking about Greenway, another WIL?
Trade down and get Bobby Carpenter, for the love of all things holy.
C'mon, people. THINK.
Some say Greenway could play either OLB position. I don't want to see DeMeco anywhere near our team.
Marcus Washington...what a flat out stud he has been for the Skins. Even though their LB system is kinda ass backwards - start with OLB then go MLB, well, that's the way it worked out this season. Their OLB's are big and atheltic with an undersized MLB. G-Will has got that group playing well - sometimes regardless of who steps in.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 06, 2006, 10:23:32 PM
I would rather draft a DE and sign a LB in FA. Granted McDougle hasn't yet panned out, but I'm not giving up on him yet either.
But when you look at the history if drafted LBs under Big Red it is less than appealing. Caver, Gardner, McCoy...all 2nd rounders.
I think he knows he needs to upgrade the OLBs. Go out and get an established LB instead of hoping for a draft pick to work.
I disagree with that. I think they should sign a DE and draft a LB. Give me Abraham and Greenway. That's better than Kiwanuka and Witherspoon. Actually, give me Greenway and Witherspoon.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 06, 2006, 10:55:57 PM
Witherspoon is probably attainable at a highish price... but then the team has 4 guys who should be playing WIL, one MLB, and Greg farging Richmond. Jeezus, their situation makes my ears bleed.
Any guys in the draft made to play the strongside?
I believe that Hunter Hillenmeyer, who's had a solid career for the Bears, plays SAM.
His numbers and measurables wouldn't lead me to believe he's any better than Dhani.
Just one LB who can blitz and one who can cover anybody, please. I don't care who they are or what their measurables are. I don't care how big they are or where they went to school or if they're albino midgets. If they can rush the QB and cover a TE for more than 5 yards farging sign them.
Hillenmeyer has 3.5 sacks, 1 INT, 1 forced fumble, and 2 passes defensed in the last 2 years.
Dhani has 0.5 sacks, 2 INT, 0 forced fumbles, and 10 passes defensed in the last 2 years.
Meh.
And Carlos Emmons had:
146 tackles 1 sack 1 INT 0 FF 0 FR and 8 passes defended the last 2 years.
A true SAMbacker will not have big time stats. He'll be locked up on the TE or being the point of attack on runs most of the time.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 08:50:33 AM
A true SAMbacker will not have big time stats. He'll be locked up on the TE or being the point of attack on runs most of the time.
right, it's the WIL that is the playmaker. and that's what they need, defensive playmakers.
btw... Ray Diddy said on Saturday that Williams could fall to 10, making it easier for the Eagles to trade up and get him.
this draft is deep at LB, the Eagles just need to draft the right one for once.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 07, 2006, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 08:50:33 AM
A true SAMbacker will not have big time stats. He'll be locked up on the TE or being the point of attack on runs most of the time.
right, it's the WIL that is the playmaker. and that's what they need, defensive playmakers.
btw... Ray Diddy said on Saturday that Williams could fall to 10, making it easier for the Eagles to trade up and get him.
If Williams falls to 10, I will cream myself with joy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 08:50:33 AM
And Carlos Emmons had:
146 tackles 1 sack 1 INT 0 FF 0 FR and 8 passes defended the last 2 years.
A true SAMbacker will not have big time stats. He'll be locked up on the TE or being the point of attack on runs most of the time.
So, are you saying that Dhani isn't actually that bad?
No, I'm saying stats don't always tell the whole story.
Dhani = zesty SAM LB
Emmons = good SAM LB
But the stats won't tell you that.
So, do you think Hunter Hillenfarger is significantly better than Dhani?
Shut up shut up shut up!
Well, if he falls to 10, value wise it's only a 1 and 3. A lot better than early reports of 1 and a 2 for Ngata.
GET BEDNARIK! Even at 60 he's probably better than Adams.
I've got that crotchety old man on my Ghoulpool list.
Exactly, a half dead grump > current LB corp.
Would I rather have Hunter Hillenmeyer as my SAM instead of Dhani?
Yes.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 07, 2006, 08:52:31 AMRay Diddy said on Saturday that Williams could fall to 10, making it easier for the Eagles to trade up and get him.
Then he's the only person that thinks Mario will fall past Green Bay, Oakland or San Francisco.
A day or two old... but maybe something that bears watching.
QuoteJets | Coles could face pay cut or have contract renegotiated
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:26:04 -0800
Mark Cannizzaro, of the New York Jets, reports New York Jets WR Laveranues Coles could be asked by the team to take a pay cut or have his contract restructured.
Similar situation to Moulds. The Jets are reported to be something like $26 mill over, they've got the Abraham situation to deal with, they've already told Pennington they want to take a huge pay cut. Same could very well happen to Coles. This guy also says that Mawae is in the same position...
If he were to shake loose, I'd definitely give his agent a call... see what's up.
On the QB front, I'd like for the Eagles to take a look at Bruce Gradkowski (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/DSBruceGradkowski.PDF) in the 3-4 rounds. Sounds like he could be a player, and has a decent upside.
Damn over 70% completions. Nice. Too bad he only has one first name.
I saw the guy play a couple times. He's got wheels too, not Vick like speed mind you, but he can really run and make people miss in the open field. With some good coaching he could probably be a solid backup for years.
sweet, then we can all yell the bruce is loose.
But can he hold? :sly
How many 40s can he drink in one sitting?
He went to school in Canada...so he'll probably be pounding Molson 30, that shtein is like moon shine.
More on the Bruce. I really see the Eagles taking a look at this kid for a backup candidate. He's a little short, but the more I read about him, the more I like the idea of him becoming an Eagle. Sounds like he could be what the team hoped Scramblin' Mike would be.
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Bruce Gradkowski (2006)
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Position: QB
Number: 07
School: Toledo
Height: 6'2
Weight: 204
Status: Senior
Good athlete, definitely has what it takes for the next level, takes command of the offense, a leader, can throw on the run or from the pocket, has good accurate arm when he sets his self up properly in the pocket, he athletically reminds me of QB "Mike McMahon" of the Philadelphia Eagles , one of his strengths is his versatility, meaning he can kill you throwing or running, excellent runner in open space, makes quick, decisive decisions, has the athleticism to buy time for his receivers, and also makes you defend the entire field either spreading the field with multiple passes, stretching the field vertically, or running when there are openings, throws a tight spiral, he also enhances the level of skill and confidence of the players around him, good skill at avoiding the rush as well, for the next level, would be excellent in a West Coast offense system, see him as starting QB in NFL one day.
Link
(http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=4)
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Bruce Gradkowski | QB | Toledo Year: Senior (RS/5th Year)
Home Town: Pittsburgh, PA
High School: Seton La-Salle
Height: 6'2
Weight: 210
40 yard Dash: 4.70 (est)
Postseason Invites: none
Biography
Continuing the pipeline of signal callers coming out of the Pittsburgh area, Gradkowski was a top high school player. He redshirted his first season at Toledo, then saw almost no time his freshman season. As a sophomore, he finally stepped into the starting role and had an excellent season finishing second in the nation in completion percentage and sixth in passing efficiency. He again would finish second in completion percentage again as a junior and was named honorable metion All-American by Sports Illustrated.
Analysis
STRENGTHS: decision making, toughness, accuracy, mobility
WEAKNESSES: durability, height, deep ball
NFL COMPARISON: Jeff Garcia, Lions
Both players aren't quite the ideal size, but have good mobility, toughness and smarts which allows them to succeed. Like Garcia, it would seem that the best place for Gradkowski might be in a west coast system because he is a more effective underneath passer than downfield.
SCOUTING REPORT: As college quarterbacks go, you can't ask for much more out of one than what Gradkowski has accomplished. He has a lot of the intangible qualities needed for the position. He has excellent toughness and competitive fire. He plays with pain and is not afraid to take a hit. When in the pocket, Gradkowksi will make throws while getting hit and isn't flustered by pressure. He has enough arm strength to still make throws while getting hit, but he doesn't possess elite ability to put heat on the ball. He is a much better underneath passer than he is deep. Accuracy underneath is one of Gradkowski's biggest strengths.He places his passes well and allows his receivers to make plays after the catch. He spreads the ball around a lot and will use most of the weapons at his disposal. On the deep ball, Gradkowski has good touch and lets his receivers run under the ball, but he doesn't have the arm strength to drive the ball downfield. He is much more of an intermediate passer. Some of his longer passes tend to hang up a little. When forced to leave the pocket, Gradkowski is very mobile and can make plays with his feet. He is accurate on the run, but his passes do lose some velocity. Toledo had their share of designed runs for him and he made the most of his opportunities to run. One thing he will have to adjust to is being under center more. He ran a lot of plays out of the shotgun in college and will have to work on his dropbacks and reading things on the move. Over his last two seasons, Gradkowski has battled some injuries and his style of play may lead to him taking more hits than are necessary.
Overall
Gradkowski has the look of a player who will at the very least, be a good backup in the NFL. Whether or not he can develop into a starter remains to be seen. He doesn't have enough physical tools to elevate a less talented team, but if surrounded by playmakers, he can be counted on to at least, not lose games. West coast offense is probably the best place for him. Look for Gradkowski to go in the middle rounds.
Projected Round: 4th Round.
Link 2
(http://www.draftshowcase.com/BruceGradkowski.htm)
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on February 17, 2006, 11:29:21 AM
On the QB front, I'd like for the Eagles to take a look at Bruce Gradkowski (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/DSBruceGradkowski.PDF) in the 3-4 rounds. Sounds like he could be a player, and has a decent upside.
Who hasn't at one time in their school days had a PE teacher named "Mr. Gradkowski"? Yes, even in Hawaii we had a few.
Seriously though this guy is a good QB. I saw him a few times on ESPN Thursday Night Football as Toledo seemed to always play weekday games. Toledo was always fun to watch as they played an exciting brand of football. Guy has an arm and is a tough SOB. He would be a nice addition.
Gettin all worked up over our lineup for 2006:
1. DMac
2. The Bruce
3. Timmy Chang
QuoteEagles | Interested in Witherspoon?
Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:31:12 -0800
Pat Yasinskas, of the Charlotte Observer, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are expected to show early interest in Carolina Panthers LB Will Witherspoon, who will become an unrestricted free agent Friday, March 3.
QuoteEagles | Salary cap status
Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:21:30 -0800
John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are $14.2 million under the $92 million salary cap as of Wednesday, March 1.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 10, 2006, 05:19:52 AM
Read in the AJC yesterday that Ike Reese could be the odd-man out at LB in ATL.
Bring Ike back. And Duce too.
Looks like Duce will probably wind up statying put.....which is odd.
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Steelers restructure Staley's deal
By Joe Bendel
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, March 3, 2006
The Steelers have restructured the contract of running back Duce Staley, his agent Derrick Harrison said Thursday.
"We're in agreement at this point. It's just some fine-tuning now," Harrison said.
The Steelers also cut safety Russell Stuvaints, who would have counted $230,000 against the salary cap next season and are attempting to restructure deals for Pro Bowl center Jeff Hartings and backup center Chukky Okobi.
Also, restricted free-agent cornerback Ike Taylor will receive a one-year tender of $1.55 million.
Backup quarterback Tommy Maddox and cornerback Willie Williams are expected to be released.
Staley was scheduled to make $2.5 million next season, while counting $4.3 million against the salary cap. But those numbers will be reduced when the Steelers submit their player salaries to the NFL by the 10 p.m. deadline Sunday.
The team continues to try to re-work deals with Hartings, who is scheduled to make $4 million next season and would count $8.1 million against the cap, and Okobi, who is scheduled to make $2 million and would count $2.7 million against the cap.
Okobi could take a pay cut of between 20 and 50 percent, according to his agent, Joe Linta of Freedom. Or, the two sides could decide it is best to release Okobi, a five-year vet.
"We want to lean toward staying," Linta said. "The Steelers have assured us that Chukky is the center of the future. However, we just hope the future comes before he's on Medicare."
Staley, who will be entering his 10th season, accepted a restructuring of his deal because he is expected to be a backup to Willie Parker next season.
The Steelers could use depth at running back after losing Jerome Bettis to retirement. Also, third-down back Verron Haynes is an unrestricted free agent.
"Duce is a team guy, he's willing to make those concessions," Harrison said. "He understood the business aspect. Duce never has totally been motivated by money. When he was a free agent, there were teams that put more money on the table than the Steelers, but when we looked at his options, we both felt like Pittsburgh was a good fit for him. Coach (Bill) Cowher has a reputation of taking care of his veterans."
By giving Taylor a mid-level tender, the Steelers can match any offer sheet made to Taylor by another team because they have the right of first refusal. If the Steelers don't match a potential offer, they'll be compensated with a first-round draft choice.
As for Stuvaints, a McKeesport native who ended the season on injured reserve with a knee injury, Linta said Cowher had assured him that he'd bring him back next season.
So he leaves Philly because he wants to be "the guy" and get more carries... and then restructures to sit behind Willie freakin' Parker? Makes sense. :sly
He did win a Super Bowl backing up Willie Parker. Why not stay there? Does he have any reason at all to prefer backing up Brian Westrbook?
I've got money that says Pittsburgh will add another RB in the draft, and Staley will drop another spot on the depth chart. Sad, cause I always liked Staley, but he probably won't get another touch next year either. Really strange he did that, unless he really thinks they will use him to fill the Bettis void, which I think is pretty farging doubtful.
With Jerome Bettis retiring, and I think he's from Detroit, Duce might actually get to dress once or twice this year.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 04, 2006, 09:19:52 PM
He did win a Super Bowl backing up Willie Parker. Why not stay there? Does he have any reason at all to prefer backing up Brian Westrbook?
I'm not knocking Duce at all, but he contributed to that SB ring in Pitt as much as I did.
Not even saying he has to come back to Philly... at this point in his career, I'd think that he would want to do more than ride the pine. If it's like what DC said in that he expects to be the red zone guy like Bettis was... then I can understand that, but otherwise, seems crazy.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 04, 2006, 09:29:58 PM
With Jerome Bettis retiring, and I think he's from Detroit, Duce might actually get to dress once or twice this year.
Are you sure about that? I watched the Super Bowl and everything leading up to it and I don't remember hearing that at all.
I don't think Duce is looking to warm the bench. I'm sure he wants to play. I don't understand the "Duce is done" argument. I think he's healthy and probably especially so because the success Bettis and Parker had in '05 gave him lots of time to recover. He's got his money and his ring, and he's game to stay with the Super Bowl champs and play football. That's all I see in this.
Fine, we'll just get Mike Anderson.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 04, 2006, 10:01:42 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on March 04, 2006, 09:29:58 PM
With Jerome Bettis retiring, and I think he's from Detroit, Duce might actually get to dress once or twice this year.
Are you sure about that? I watched the Super Bowl and everything leading up to it and I don't remember hearing that at all.
Duce was born in Tampa. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3980)
Quote from: Diomedes on March 04, 2006, 10:05:09 PM
I don't think Duce is looking to warm the bench. I'm sure he wants to play. I don't understand the "Duce is done" argument. I think he's healthy and probably especially so because the success Bettis and Parker had in '05 gave him lots of time to recover. He's got his money and his ring, and he's game to stay with the Super Bowl champs and play football. That's all I see in this.
I don't think Duce is done. He doesn't have forever left though. That being the case, I'd just think he wants to be on the field as much as possible for the years he has left. I'm not mad at him either. There are definitely worse situations to be in than playing on a Championship team letting someone else get their body beat up for the majority of the snaps.
Just seems to go against what he said his reasons were for leaving Philly.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 04, 2006, 10:11:56 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 04, 2006, 10:01:42 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on March 04, 2006, 09:29:58 PM
With Jerome Bettis retiring, and I think he's from Detroit, Duce might actually get to dress once or twice this year.
Are you sure about that? I watched the Super Bowl and everything leading up to it and I don't remember hearing that at all.
Duce was born in Tampa. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3980)
What about Jerome Bettis? Where was he born? ;)
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 04, 2006, 10:33:07 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 04, 2006, 10:11:56 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 04, 2006, 10:01:42 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on March 04, 2006, 09:29:58 PM
With Jerome Bettis retiring, and I think he's from Detroit, Duce might actually get to dress once or twice this year.
Are you sure about that? I watched the Super Bowl and everything leading up to it and I don't remember hearing that at all.
Duce was born in Tampa. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3980)
What about Jerome Bettis? Where was he born? ;)
Long day. Damn long post on the Phillies board. Dead brain. No reading comprehension. :drool
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 04, 2006, 09:59:08 PM
I'm not knocking Duce at all, but he contributed to that SB ring in Pitt as much as I did.
I thought you played pretty good in the Super Bowl. :paranoid
QuoteEagles | Adams could return to team
Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:20:41 -0800
Mark Eckel, of The Trenton Times, reports Philadelphia Eagles LB Keith Adams, eligible for unrestricted free agency March 6, could rejoin the Eagles if he were willing to return to a lesser role. The team would like him to return to his role in the 2004 season, where he was a good backup linebacker and an excellent special teams player.
Guess I'll toss this in here...
This would be a good move. Just so long as he doesn't play on the defense. Be a STs demon.
I'm all for having Adams move back to STs, and have him as a backup. The dude probably knows he sucked it up this past season, and may have realized his place in the league.
Quote from: Don Ho on March 04, 2006, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 04, 2006, 09:59:08 PM
I'm not knocking Duce at all, but he contributed to that SB ring in Pitt as much as I did.
I thought you played pretty good in the Super Bowl. :paranoid
I guess, but I wasn't my old explosive, head-crackin' self. I didn't feel as quick as usual but hey, we got the win and I'm still going to Disney World.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 05, 2006, 12:54:59 PM
QuoteEagles | Adams could return to team
Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:20:41 -0800
Mark Eckel, of The Trenton Times, reports Philadelphia Eagles LB Keith Adams, eligible for unrestricted free agency March 6, could rejoin the Eagles if he were willing to return to a lesser role. The team would like him to return to his role in the 2004 season, where he was a good backup linebacker and an excellent special teams player.
Guess I'll toss this in here...
This would be a good move. Just so long as he doesn't play on the defense. Be a STs demon.
I don't mind that at all. As long as we keep him the role that he can excel at.
Anything that lessens the chance of Simoneau and Jones keeping roster spots for next season.