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Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 14, 2005, 10:57:58 AM

Quote from: FFatPatt on November 14, 2005, 08:52:09 AM
Would anyone be surprised to see this team lay an egg against the Raptors?

heck yeah i'd be surprised.  It took the team three games to get used to playing together as a team.  They're winning out!

Quote from: MDS on November 17, 2005, 04:16:58 PM
because the head honchos here at the field decided that it is essential to keep threads to under 20 pages. by doing so, they happen to destroy any flow or rythem that the previous thread had. boooo.

Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 17, 2005, 04:37:12 PM
The only people who care about something being reposted are people who take pride in being the first to post stuff.

Quote from: rjs246 on November 17, 2005, 04:40:13 PM
This is a really outstanding argument. I can't wait to see how it turns out!

Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 17, 2005, 04:39:18 PM

Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 17, 2005, 04:37:12 PM
The only people who care about something being reposted are people who take pride in being the first to post stuff.

Like you.

I never care who posts shtein first. I care when people whine when they have to look back through 4 pages of posts to find something.

Lazy fargs.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 17, 2005, 04:31:56 PM
Because 99% of the time, if something is reposted and someone is called out on it, they whine like a farging 4 year old because they had to "read through 30 pages just to see it".

Quote from: NGM on November 17, 2005, 08:58:20 PM
I think that is the sixth sofa I have seen in a sports related thread.  I'm sure MURP doesn't get tired of that.  Go Sixers.

Quote from: MDS on November 17, 2005, 09:02:07 PM

Quote from: NGM on November 17, 2005, 08:58:20 PM
I think that is the sixth sofa I have seen in a sports related thread.  I'm sure MURP doesn't get tired of that.  Go Sixers.

kiss ass some more. see how far you get.

Quote from: NGM on November 17, 2005, 09:21:39 PM
Dear MDS, I hate you. You are a bad man. And you made me cry.

Quote from: NGM on November 17, 2005, 09:04:45 PM

Quote from: MDS on November 17, 2005, 09:02:07 PM

Quote from: NGM on November 17, 2005, 08:58:20 PM
I think that is the sixth sofa I have seen in a sports related thread.  I'm sure MURP doesn't get tired of that.  Go Sixers.

kiss ass some more. see how far you get.

Merely commenting on the redundancy of the joke big guy.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 18, 2005, 08:34:45 AM
Goin to South Beach tonight....and the hot streak will continue.

I effin' hate Antoine Walker so I hope he gets shut down.

Sixers by at least 6 tonight.

Quote from: BigEd76 on November 20, 2005, 12:39:36 PM
I noticed it with the Phillies too, but whenever MURP splits the topic off, they start losing... :sly

Quote from: BigEd76 on November 21, 2005, 06:10:57 PM
I hope he leaves the Flyers thread alone  :paranoid

Quote from: MDS on November 21, 2005, 07:00:16 PM
i think this assures us of our initial opinion in that murp simply sucks

Quote from: BigEd76 on November 21, 2005, 06:10:57 PM
I hope he leaves the Flyers thread alone  :paranoid

Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 21, 2005, 09:19:08 PM
Since when did the Sixers hire some moron to sit courtside and count backwards from 5 with the shot clock?

Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 21, 2005, 09:20:23 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 21, 2005, 09:19:08 PM
Since when did the Sixers hire some moron to sit courtside and count backwards from 5 with the shot clock?

The shot clocks at the Wach have been not working properly for a few games. Must be wonky again tonight.

Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 26, 2005, 09:56:25 PM
lets not forget we were up by 16.

Quote from: FFatPatt on November 29, 2005, 09:18:08 AM
So, Dalembert is suddenly the savior of team defense?  Ha!

Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 30, 2005, 10:29:32 AM
Just an FYI...there were all sorts of major wind/storm warnings last night and the weather was awful....which is probably why there were more empty seats last night than so far this season.

Quote from: MDS on November 30, 2005, 10:17:46 AM
memo to the sixers: lower ticket prices

Quote from: MURP on November 30, 2005, 10:34:40 AM
how can you not, ya Nascar freak. 

Quote from: rjs246 on November 30, 2005, 10:37:49 AM

Quote from: MURP on November 30, 2005, 10:34:40 AM
how can you not, ya Nascar freak.

Uh, I hate NASCAR. NASCAR, golf, baseball and pro basketball. All hate. Get it right, sucka.

Quote from: MURP on November 30, 2005, 10:42:58 AM

phattymatty told me about the Jeff Gordon poster above your bed.

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2005, 10:48:45 AM
I have no idea what you're talking about

i think hes saying youre a gay nascar fan who tries to lure kids into your apartment with coors cutter

Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 30, 2005, 10:35:39 AM

Quote from: MDS on November 30, 2005, 10:17:46 AM
memo to the sixers: lower ticket prices

you may as well send that memo to all major sporting leagues.  They're all overpriced.

Quote from: MURP on November 30, 2005, 12:39:09 PM
how do 76ers tickets compare to the rest of the league?

Quote from: MDS on November 30, 2005, 10:55:20 PM
nice job losing to boston, dorks.

also, can allen iverson rest? he plays 45+ every game.

QuoteAllen Iverson had 40 points for Philadelphia, but was hounded by Celtics guard Delonte West in the fourth quarter and only had two baskets in the period.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2005, 09:57:59 AM
how bad is their rebounding/defense???

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2005, 11:15:40 AM
hunter is softer than a babys ass...his rep as a defensive player came not from being a good defender...but because hes so pathetic offensively therefore he must be a shot blocking defender right?...he protects the rim like brad marsh protected his head

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2005, 09:57:59 AM
how bad is their rebounding/defense???

they lead the league in most points scored and fewest turnovers and are only .500

Quote from: mhunt on December 07, 2005, 09:04:01 AM
the sixers play the bucks for the 12th time tonight.

Quote from: mhunt on December 08, 2005, 08:34:01 AM
dalembert is absolutely horrible....i can't believe they signed him long term to big $$$...the guy is a complete spaz.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2005, 08:49:32 AM
i had no problem with keeping dalembert around...a big guy with those skills doesnt come around every day...i know it sounds cliche but he really did start playing ball way late....my concern is that the staff that is in place isnt going to be putting on coaching clinics geared towards developing young players...and that is what sammy needs....i would hire someone to specifically work with him to tap the massive potential he has

Quote from: mhunt on December 08, 2005, 09:07:37 AM
i know randolph had a nice game but why is he getting 13 minutes while hunter only played 2 minutes and nailon played 1??
so much for a set rotation...is obie coaching again?? :boo

Quote from: MDS on December 11, 2005, 12:07:01 PM
They will never win a title with AI. Bla bla bla.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2005, 07:59:12 PM
So if AI wasn't on this team and say Kevin Garnett was...would they win a championship?

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2005, 08:02:49 PM
Yeah, thats obvious. But we've been down this road before. Given the situation with how this team has been built they aren't going to win one with AI nor are they going to win one without him. Because if you subtract him and add another "max player" you still have the same cast of misfits as a suppoting cast, right?

So you take out AI's 34ppg and add in some other superstar's 25-30ppg and where are e at? The same place as we are now.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 11, 2005, 10:44:09 PM
he has good assist numbers, isn't that what a point guard is supposed to do.

it's like the Chris Rock bit, "Well, I take care of my kids.  That's what you are supposed to do you stupid mother farger."

How about we count the number of times AI gets an assist and compare it to the number of times he brings the ball down the court and shoots it without letting Iggy, Webber or Korver touch it first?  Which number is higher?

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2005, 08:27:53 AM
Apparently Ron Artest wants out of Indy.

Billy King should be on the phone right now trying to get a deal done. He is exactly what this team needs.

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 12, 2005, 01:50:45 PM
I would trade Korver for Artest in a heartbeat.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2005, 01:58:37 PM
Who wouldn't like to see a riot at The Wach?

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 13, 2005, 01:10:04 AM

The blown leads are getting old though.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 13, 2005, 09:15:26 AM
you guys do know that korver is 6-7...its not exactly breaking news on cnn if he dunks

dont look now but the sixers are .500....shocker

Quote from: Mad-Lad on December 13, 2005, 10:41:54 AM
Yeah, Korver was the Dominique Wilkins of Creighton.  :-D

Quote from: mhunt on December 13, 2005, 12:45:38 PM
who's the chick wearing korver's jersey ???

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2005, 09:27:37 PM
shav with 12 boards...holla

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2005, 09:49:17 PM
for real...hunter is just awful

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 14, 2005, 10:03:54 PM
I wouldn't trade Iggy for Artest. Iggy is going to be here for awhile and he's not the risk that Artest is. Artest's low salary and his temperment is the reason why the Pacers are not going to get value for him. If King gave up Iggy and Artest acted up here and it was a short lived tenure then you have traded away a quality young player for nothing.

Getting Artest is a risk and while I want him here I do not want to give up Iggy. If you hve Iggy and Artest then you have two good on-the-ball defenders. And since you want to build your defense doing that wouldn't make sense to me (to trade Iggy).

Quote from: NGM on December 14, 2005, 09:31:36 PM
MDS, is that Dustin Salisbury?

Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2005, 10:39:28 PM

Quote from: NGM on December 14, 2005, 09:31:36 PM
MDS, is that Dustin Salisbury?

yes sir. t for temple u....

Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2005, 10:51:19 PM
do you want pictures?

QuoteStephen A. Smith | Artest would be trouble for 76ers

By Stephen A. Smith Inquirer Columnist

The 76ers should not think about bringing Ron Artest to this town.

They know this. Artest knows this. And if Philadelphia didn't know this, all it needs to do is connect the dots:

Artest is trouble whenever he's unhappy. It has always been that way, and it always will be that way. His latest diatribe against the Indiana Pacers' organization illustrated as much, the moment he went public with his desire to be traded. And there wouldn't be much for Artest to be happy about with this presently constructed band of Sixers, anyway.

No matter what logic is conjured up to the contrary.

Any hopes for the arrival of the Pacers' enigmatic forward, who is on his way out of Indiana, by the way, are perfectly understandable. At the moment, Artest is averaging 19.4 points per game. He's a former defensive player of the year who is still recognized as one of the best, most complete players in the game.

His team usually wins when he plays, and usually loses when he doesn't. And once you add his all-around toughness to the equation - teammates, let alone those playing against Artest, actually fear him - he would seem to be exactly what the Sixers need.
In a typical world, this would be the quintessential definition of a perfect match. Especially with the defensively challenged Kyle Korver as your small forward and little else in the way of help at that spot. Watching the Sixers play defense, you almost feel sorry for coach Mo Cheeks, knowing how much he's starving for energy and defense at that position.

"I would seem to be a great fit," Artest said the other day. "Me and Allen Iverson. Wow! But it's not that simple."

With Artest, what is?

The flip side to this latest mess created by Artest is that he believes he deserves to be Indiana's number-one offensive option ahead of Jermaine O'Neal. That would be one reason to question his sanity.

Artest is on the record as saying he doesn't like playing for coach Rick Carlisle, who doesn't give him enough touches. That is another reason to question his sanity, considering that Artest touches the ball more than anyone has on the Pacers this season.
So, essentially, Artest believes he's more than he actually is. He believes Carlisle is less of a coach than he actually is. So convinced is Artest that he personally gave me a wish list of Cleveland, New York, Miami and Dallas as teams he would like to play for.

Did anyone notice he never mentioned Philly?

"I don't want him," Sixers president Billy King said yesterday. "I'm not interested in getting into why. You make calls. You inquire because you just never know what a team is willing to accept for him. But you just know."

Sadly, you don't need to know that much.

Without considering the bashed cameras, his desire last season to quit playing ball so he could be a rap producer, or his roughhouse tactics during play, there is the issue of last season's brawl at the Palace of Auburn Hills, which will leave Artest infamous for the rest of his days.

After Artest was suspended for 73 games, the Pacers eventually allowed him to practice with the team. Players repeatedly embraced his return. Carlisle stood by him publicly and privately, and Larry Bird, the Pacers' president of basketball operations, even joined Artest in a photo shoot for Sports Illustrated.

"Time and time again we've stood by him, never wavering," Carlisle said. "We didn't just believe in his abilities, we believed in him. Maybe we should've seen some of this coming, but we didn't. What can you say?"

Nothing. In Artest's defense, that is.

You can't defend Artest's turning on his team this way, disrupting yet another season, jeopardizing any hope of Indiana's turning the corner and advancing to the NBA Finals. Had he kept his mouth shut and just played, matters would have been handled differently.
But keeping quiet is simply not Artest's way. "Bizarre" is a gentle way of describing how troubled he truly is. And now that he's let the proverbial cat out of the bag with his trade demand, displaying the type of behavior that provokes more and more questions about his stability, no one's looking to deal fairly with Indiana.

Miami, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Seattle, Denver, New Jersey, New York, Orlando, Minnesota, Golden State, Dallas and a few others have inquired about Artest's services. And, knowing there's a sucker born every minute, all of them are looking to make a steal.
The Sixers are no different. Today they need to be when it comes to a player who didn't seem particularly enamored with the thought of playing here.

Unless, of course, they want basketball's more troubling version of Terrell Owens.

Take a risk. At your own peril.

QuoteDan Gross | A.I.'s casino confrontation

ALLEN IVERSON's not a big guy, but around A.C. he's known as a "whale." That's what they call a gambler who bets major money on each hand.

On a late-night visit to the Trump Taj Mahal after the Sixers bested the Charlotte Bobcats Friday, sources say, Iverson, after winning a hand at a three-card-stud poker table, was overpaid approximately $10,000 in chips by a dealer.

When the dealer quickly realized the mistake and requested the chips back, Iverson, we're told, refused to hand 'em over, and a head-turning argument between him and casino staff began.

The Taj yesterday declined to comment.

A top executive at another casino told us yesterday that if a casino makes a payout mistake, a player must give back any money that was not legitimately won.

When we tried to speak with Iverson in the Sixers locker room after last night's win over the Hawks, he would not talk with us. However, referring to Your Humble Narrator, Iverson told his spokesman Gary Moore, "Tell him to kiss my ass."

He continued: "Tell him to write the most devilish story he can write about me. If he says I did something, just tell him all those things are true. And say I hit somebody, too, and cursed at a nun."

We were 15 feet from Iverson as he spoke to Moore. His rant was also heard by more than a dozen other media types.

When we pulled Moore aside, he confirmed that the Taj had overpaid Iverson for a bet and says that Iverson has given back the extra money, and was given a Taj gaming voucher for a comparable amount. Moore says he did not know if any argument had taken place between Iverson and Taj staff, nor did he know how much Iverson had been overpaid.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 15, 2005, 11:30:21 AM

QuoteDan Gross | A.I.'s casino confrontation

ALLEN IVERSON's not a big guy, but around A.C. he's known as a "whale." That's what they call a gambler who bets major money on each hand.

On a late-night visit to the Trump Taj Mahal after the Sixers bested the Charlotte Bobcats Friday, sources say, Iverson, after winning a hand at a three-card-stud poker table, was overpaid approximately $10,000 in chips by a dealer.

When the dealer quickly realized the mistake and requested the chips back, Iverson, we're told, refused to hand 'em over, and a head-turning argument between him and casino staff began.

The Taj yesterday declined to comment.

A top executive at another casino told us yesterday that if a casino makes a payout mistake, a player must give back any money that was not legitimately won.

When we tried to speak with Iverson in the Sixers locker room after last night's win over the Hawks, he would not talk with us. However, referring to Your Humble Narrator, Iverson told his spokesman Gary Moore, "Tell him to kiss my ass."

He continued: "Tell him to write the most devilish story he can write about me. If he says I did something, just tell him all those things are true. And say I hit somebody, too, and cursed at a nun."

We were 15 feet from Iverson as he spoke to Moore. His rant was also heard by more than a dozen other media types.

When we pulled Moore aside, he confirmed that the Taj had overpaid Iverson for a bet and says that Iverson has given back the extra money, and was given a Taj gaming voucher for a comparable amount. Moore says he did not know if any argument had taken place between Iverson and Taj staff, nor did he know how much Iverson had been overpaid.

Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2005, 11:35:11 AM
another arest rumor: salmons, ollie, hunter for artest. thats it. king...you suck.

Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2005, 12:06:44 PM
philliesphans had it in the sixers thread. reliable source of jemmage.

Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2005, 11:35:11 AM
Way to go home and see the kids, Al  :yay

another arest rumor: salmons, ollie, hunter for artest. thats it. king...you suck.

Quoteometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

If you had told me before the season that Allen Iverson would be the league's third-most efficient player, I would have laughed in your face. Allen Iverson? Mister "25 Points on 7-of-31 Shooting?" Surely, you jest.

Allow me to explain. One reason I developed a new type of statistics is that I wanted to be able to make fair comparisons of players -- regardless of position, number of minutes played, a player's image and so on.

In other words, I wanted all players to be comparable ... apples to apples, year to year, player to player.


One reason that helps us is that it allows us to see players objectively, apart from the mythology and stereotypes that have developed around each player.

As an example of how this works, let's focus on the Answer, one of the most visible players in the league.

Through the season's first month-plus, Iverson ranks third overall in Player Efficiency Rating (PER), my per-minute rating of a player's statistical performance -- barely behind only Elton Brand and LeBron James, and ahead of such masters of efficiency as Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki (not to mention reigning MVP Steve Nash, who currently stands No. 24).

That's quite a change of pace for the veteran guard, who has always been among the league's top scorers but normally ranked well down the list in PER because of his shooting inaccuracy. For instance, a year ago he was ninth overall, and the year before he was just 36th. He's never ranked higher than seventh during his illustrious career, even in his MVP year.

So what has he done this year to zoom to the top of the charts? Let's take a look, using the categories in ESPN.com's new, sortable PER leaderboard, which is now updated daily with the stats used in this year's edition of my "Pro Basketball Forecast."

The first category you see is "TS%", or True Shooting Percentage, and this is the most important one for a player who shoots as much as Iverson does. True Shooting Percentage measures what a player's shooting percentage would be if we accounted for free throws and 3-pointers, and in Iverson's case it would be 54.3 percent. That's not as good as Brand's stellar 59.7 percent mark, but it's still better than the league average of 52.6 percent.

Moreover, it's a big improvement on the rest of AI's career (click here to see what I mean). The past three years Iverson had cleared the 50 percent mark only once (53.2 percent last season). In fact, in five of the past six seasons Iverson's TS% had been below the league average, cementing his reputation as an unrepentant gunner.

For Iverson, the problem wasn't creating shots, it was making the ones he created. This year his field-goal percentage is up to 45.0 percent instead of his usual mark in the low 40s, and that accounts for the difference. There's an explanation for this, too. It seems he's realized how he can take better advantage of the defensive rules that limit hand-checking, and the result has been fewer tries with his iffy jumper and more drives to the basket. Iverson has cut his 3-point attempts significantly -- as a portion of his field-goal attempts, he's taking 28 percent fewer than he did a year ago. Instead, he's seen his free-throw attempts balloon to nearly 12 per game. It's rare to see a 30-year-old guard shatter his career high in free throws, and it demonstrates how well Iverson's speed has held up despite the nightly beatings his 165-pound body takes on those drives to the basket.

But that's not the only impressive dimension of Iverson's game. Look at the column labeled "TO." That signifies a player's Turnover Ratio -- the percent of possessions he uses that end in a turnover -- and a low score is the objective. Among players in the top 25 in PER, Iverson ranks second only to Dirk Nowitzki, which is amazing if you think about it. Iverson is running the point and driving to the basket all game long, which are two of the highest risk factors for turnovers. Yet he's managed to turn the ball over less than even a spot-up shooter such as Rashard Lewis.

This, too, is an area where Iverson has turned over a new leaf. His TO Ratios the past few years hovered around 11, which is adequate but unexceptional. Now he ranks 13th overall in this category through Wednesday's games, which is phenomenal for a player with this much offensive responsibility.

Speaking of which, that brings us to a third area where Iverson has been exceptional. The column titled "Usg" is a player's Usage Rate -- basically, how many possessions he uses per 40 minutes of action. Iverson has led the league in this category six of the past seven years and is again near the top, ranking second in the league at 32.6. Normally that would lead the league again -- the past two years Iverson was at 32.9 and 32.7 -- save for some extraordinary ball-hoarding by Kobe Bryant (34.6). Nonetheless, Iverson has been without peer in the past decade at creating shots, and he's maintained that talent this season.

The difference has been what he does with those possessions. Iverson always had the "quantity" part of the game down, it was the "quality" part that suffered. Now that he's converting a higher percentage of his shots and limiting the turnovers, he's having what is easily the best year of his career.

That's right: Allen Iverson, the poster child for "volume shooting," has suddenly become deadly efficient at the age of 30. Maybe old dogs can learn new tricks after all.

QuoteMoreover, it's a big improvement on the rest of AI's career (click here to see what I mean). The past three years Iverson had cleared the 50 percent mark only once (53.2 percent last season). In fact, in five of the past six seasons Iverson's TS% had been below the league average, cementing his reputation as an unrepentant gunner.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 15, 2005, 04:05:24 PM
it still makes me furious that he won't do that

Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 15, 2005, 04:35:10 PM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 15, 2005, 04:05:24 PM
it still makes me furious that he won't do that

LOL...its a rumor dude.  ::)

Quote from: MURP on December 15, 2005, 01:31:52 PM
mhunt, wrong yet again.  ha!

Quote from: mhunt on November 08, 2005, 12:44:50 PM


farg you...you know nothing about the game of basketball if you don't think iverson is a selfish ballhog.  it's always his teammates fault...yeah right :-D  maybe he should actually pass the ball to whoever's open...what a concept...it's called team basketball.  instead, he jacks up bad shots & shoots less than 40% year after year while his fanclub blames everyone else.  next game, take notice to how many zero-pass posessions the sixers have where ai takes the ball down the court & never gives it up...it's hilarious.  after 10 years in the league, he still doesn't get it. :-D

QuoteIn fact, in five of the past six seasons Iverson's TS% had been below the league average, cementing his reputation as an unrepentant gunner.

Quote from: mhunt on December 15, 2005, 07:00:44 PM
he shot in the low 40's until this year.

Quote from: MURP on December 15, 2005, 07:04:10 PM

Quote from: mhunt on December 15, 2005, 07:00:44 PM
he shot in the low 40's until this year.

yeah, I taught you that little fact after you invented shoting % stats to help your case.  Good job remembering, son. 

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2005, 07:43:07 PM
im an ai groupie AND a real sixers fan if you can believe that

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 16, 2005, 10:45:27 AM
i dont know when the win streak will end but when it does expect and equal number losing streak

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 23, 2005, 10:06:14 PM
Iverson was beastly hunt. To try to blame that on him is laughable. 

QuoteIverson's 53 not enough
The night took an even worse turn after the loss, when John Salmons questioned the Sixers' unity: "This is not how a team should be."
By Marc NarducciInquirer Staff Writer

ATLANTA - The 76ers wasted a 53-point performance by Allen Iverson, saw their defense crumble again, and were outrebounded - and that wasn't even the worst part of a dreadful night at Philips Arena.
After last night's 111-108 loss to the Atlanta Hawks that began the first of seven consecutive road games, team unity was called into question by guard John Salmons.
Sitting quietly by his locker, Salmons talked in a whisper after he had a forgettable final few minutes.
In the game's final 2 minutes, 21 seconds, Salmons missed two three-pointers, took a two-point shot that was blocked, and made one of two free throws after being fouled while driving to the basket.
Afterward, Salmons said he could hear the snickering by teammates, although none said anything directly to him.
"I heard some things that were disappointing," Salmons said. "This is not how a team should be."
Then he added another salvo: "It's been like this for a while."
Chris Webber, who missed a short jump hook that would have tied the game with 2.9 seconds remaining, said he didn't say or hear any of the comments directed toward Salmons.
Webber, however, didn't let the team off the hook for other matters.
"We have got to make sure we play together," said Webber, who scored 16 points and was 0 for 5 in the fourth quarter. "It just doesn't happen enough."
Iverson said he didn't hear anyone direct any comments toward Salmons. However, Iverson said some murmurs were heard about the shot selection.
"The only thing I heard was guys saying Kyle [Korver] was open on those plays," Iverson said. "Other than that, I don't know."
Iverson refused to criticize Salmons, even though on a night when he shot 17 for 31 from the field and 19 for 21 from the foul line, Iverson took only one shot in the Sixers' final six possessions.
"John is going to feel bad because of the situation," Iverson said. "Probably he will react to something not that serious because of the situation."
Iverson tried to be as diplomatic as possible in explaining his feeling on his lack of late-game shots.
"I wanted it, but I can live with whatever my teammates do on the court," he said. "They live and die with me, and I do the same with them."
Sixers coach Maurice Cheeks tried to deflect the attention away from Salmons, saying the game was lost because the team's defense was nonexistent, especially in the fourth quarter, when the Sixers were outscored, 35-24.
"I am not going to get upset over Johnny taking shots," Cheeks said. "I did say the next time he has that opportunity to drive the basketball. We were in the penalty, so drive the ball, maybe get a foul, or the defense collapses and kick it out."
Salmons said in hindsight he should have driven.
The Sixers had their last lead of the game when Iverson hit a running six-footer for a 105-104 advantage with 2:57 left.
Atlanta center Zaza Pachulia, who scored a career-high 23 points, then hit two foul shots and a 16-foot jumper for a 108-105 lead. Salmons made one of two foul shots with two minutes left.
Joe Johnson extended the lead to 110-106 with a 19-footer and then a Salmons shot was blocked by high-flyer Josh Smith with 1:05 remaining.
Webber made a steal and Iverson scored on a layup with 36.8 seconds to play. With Atlanta leading, 110-108, Johnson then missed a three-point attempt and the Sixers had the ball with 9.6 seconds to go and a chance to tie it. Webber got a good look, but missed the short jump hook.
"I'll take that shot every day," Webber said. "It didn't feel good coming off and I went for the offensive rebound."
He didn't get it and Johnson was fouled with 1.3 seconds left, making one of two free throws.
The Sixers had no time-outs and had to inbound the ball from under their basket. Johnson intercepted Andre Iguodala's long pass to secure the win.
The Sixers are 14-13, while the 7-18 Hawks have won five of their last seven games. It was the 10th time in Iverson's career that he scored 50 or more points; his 53 points last night were a Philips Arena record. This season he has scored 40 or more points seven times, and the Sixers' record in those games is just 3-4.
"It's frustrating, because we wanted to go to the holiday with a win and unfortunately we couldn't do that," said Iverson, whose team is off until Tuesday's game in Denver. "We have to get it out of our system, enjoy the holiday, and come back to work."
Coming back as a united team would help.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 25, 2005, 05:23:53 AM
Mike Miss was saying all day on FRI that ATL would win outright because the line was so low..I couldn't see them losing though and sure enought they did. What IGY said was pretty much right on. Except I disagree about Webber.

FOr AI to not get the shot(s) at the end when he was on fire was unexcusable.

But hey...at least the AI haters saw what happens when the "other guys" get the ball.

The comments by Salmons caught me off guard and I think this is something to watch in the near future.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 11:21:39 AM
he deserves it.  everybody in the arena, except Salmons, knew that somebody else should be getting those shots.

why is criticizing your team mates when it's appropriate a bad thing?

Quote from: mhunt on December 27, 2005, 11:28:50 AM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 11:21:39 AM
he deserves it.  everybody in the arena, except Salmons, knew that somebody else should be getting those shots.

why is criticizing your team mates when it's appropriate a bad thing?

team leaders should try to motivate their teammates...not rag on them for missing shots.

Quote from: mhunt on December 27, 2005, 11:28:50 AM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 11:21:39 AM
he deserves it.  everybody in the arena, except Salmons, knew that somebody else should be getting those shots.

why is criticizing your team mates when it's appropriate a bad thing?

team leaders should try to motivate their teammates...not rag on them for missing shots.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 27, 2005, 11:30:45 AM

Quote from: mhunt on December 27, 2005, 11:28:50 AM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 11:21:39 AM
he deserves it.  everybody in the arena, except Salmons, knew that somebody else should be getting those shots.

why is criticizing your team mates when it's appropriate a bad thing?

team leaders should try to motivate their teammates...not rag on them for missing shots.

This is a purely pathetic post.

Quote from: mhunt on December 27, 2005, 11:28:50 AM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 11:21:39 AM
he deserves it.  everybody in the arena, except Salmons, knew that somebody else should be getting those shots.

why is criticizing your team mates when it's appropriate a bad thing?

team leaders should try to motivate their teammates...not rag on them for missing shots.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2005, 11:36:28 AM
team leaders should try to motivate their teammates...not rag on them for missing shots


iverson is as supportive a teammate as there is in sports...

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 11:57:44 AM
if Salmons is taking shots at the end of the game, it should be because AI drove the ball and passed it out to him. 

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 12:01:23 PM
on 1, i think you're right.

but the end of a close game isn't the time to try to shoot yourself out of a slump.  you miss one, you've had your chance role player, give it to the super stars.

Quote from: mhunt on December 27, 2005, 12:06:03 PM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 12:01:23 PM
on 1, i think you're right.

but the end of a close game isn't the time to try to shoot yourself out of a slump.  you miss one, you've had your chance role player, give it to the super stars.

i'm almost positive ai drove & dished to salmons on both 3 attempts....his drive that got blocked was a bad shot, no doubt.

anyway, if ai's goal was to make salmons even more afraid to shoot at the end of close games, i'm sure he accomplished it by ragging on him in the locker room the other night.  the team should be a lot better now.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 12:07:49 PM

Quote from: mhunt on December 27, 2005, 12:06:03 PM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 12:01:23 PM
on 1, i think you're right.

but the end of a close game isn't the time to try to shoot yourself out of a slump.  you miss one, you've had your chance role player, give it to the super stars.

i'm almost positive ai drove & dished to salmons on both 3 attempts....his drive that got blocked was a bad shot, no doubt.

anyway, if ai's goal was to make salmons even more afraid to shoot at the end of close games, i'm sure he accomplished it by ragging on him in the locker room the other night.  the team should be a lot better now.

would the team be any better if he gave him a big hug at the end of the game and told him it didn't matter?  these guys are pros, the games count.  wins and losses are what it's all about, the team moms aren't breaking out orange slices and capri suns at halftime.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 12:10:18 PM
but your saying that if you criticize somebody that means you don't have their back.  those two aren't mutually exclusive.  i would contend that AI had Salmons back by not roasting him in the media.  he stood up for him.  isn't that having his back?

QuoteOn the NBA | Do Sixers fans have "Iverson fatigue"?
By David Aldridge
Inquirer Staff Writer
Since 1996, one of the things the Sixers could count on, night in and out, was Allen Iverson's amazing ability to get people to fork over their hard-earned cash to watch him perform. He was one of the few players in the NBA with that kind of star power, a pull on the populace that crossed racial and economic lines, a true star who bolstered attendance locally, television ratings nationally, and jersey and shoe sales worldwide.
And it didn't seem to matter if the Sixers were a novelty, title contender or solid playoff team - people came to see Iverson perform. (It had to be Iverson; the Sixers have gone through coaches and complementary players over the years like a drunk sifting through peanuts at happy hour. Iverson has been the only constant in a sea of changes.)
But this season, as has been well-documented in these pages, the Sixers' home attendance has taken a precipitous drop, even though they are a team that puts points up in bunches and entered last night a half-game out of first in the Atlantic Division.
The team's home average of 15,021 fans in its first 15 dates represents a 9.8 percent drop in attendance from a similar number of home games last season. And that average ranks 28th of 30 teams in the league.
The e-mails flew in fast and furious after an analysis of declining attendance appeared in The Inquirer on Dec. 6, and there were any number of factors cited for the drop: high ticket prices, the team's lack of defense, the general decrease in quality of play in the league, the price of gas, and on and on. But there were comments from fans that could strike at the heart of the team's financial future.
Some people were also tired of Iverson.
Not of him personally; he is still beloved most everywhere in town. Nor were they lamenting some change in his game. The irony was that they decried that very consistency: they know he's going to shoot a lot, and score a lot. But they no longer think that's worth their money, especially with the Sixers floundering around .500 in the first two months of the season.
Here's the question that must gnaw at Ed Snider and the folks at Comcast-Spectacor this holiday season: Do they speak for the majority of Philadelphians? Is this the same dilemma that faces the Phillies: good, but not great; interesting, but not compelling?
Has "Iverson Fatigue" set in?
If true, the Sixers are in real trouble.
Let's face facts; people aren't going to shell out top dollar in the future to watch Samuel Dalembert and Kyle Korver and John Salmons by themselves, no matter how prolific each may become. This league is, and always has been, about its stars.
"I think he's still one of the top draws in the league," team president Billy King said of Iverson yesterday. "It hasn't manifested itself at home as of late, but overall, as a team, we have to play to the point where the fans appreciate it."
By most measures, Iverson is as popular as ever nationally. He's the leading vote-getter among guards for February's All-Star Game in Houston. His jersey is the second-most popular among all NBA players in sales this year, behind Miami's Dwyane Wade. His Answer line of Reebok shoes is still wildly popular. He was a mega-hit when he traveled to China with Yao Ming for a promotional tour last summer. And the Sixers continue to be fourth in the league in average road attendance, drawing 18,438 away from Philadelphia.
Yes, there have been a lot of Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday home games, notorious poor-drawing nights, and only a couple of Friday and Saturday night tilts.
None of that should matter.
When Allen Iverson is in the house, the place should be filled - or at least close to capacity.
Yes, ticket prices are high. They've always been high. They're always going to be high. No one should expect a working-class family to regularly plunk down $250 a week to watch a basketball game. (And, yes, sportswriters get in for free.)
But this is a big city, isn't it? Surely, there are enough people with the desire and the means - and there are cheaper tickets to be had - who could come out and see Iverson and the Sixers before age and mileage take their inevitable toll on him.
The Sixers believe things will pick up when better teams come in on better nights. Their "Holiday Pack" of four games sold well in December. And they're hoping the turnstiles will pick up when Boston comes in on a Friday night in January, followed by a Wednesday game against the Nets, and a Saturday night game at the end of the month with the Knicks.
Maybe we'll know for sure then.
But one day, relatively soon, Iverson won't be in town anymore, and the likelihood is that the Sixers won't be any closer to contending for a championship than they are today.
And then it will be too late.

QuotePosted on Tue, Dec. 27, 2005
Sixers Notes | Road trip resumes, starting in Denver76ers Notes

After two days off for the holidays, the 76ers are back to a familiar place in late December: the road. Disney on Ice's visit to the Wachovia Center sends both the Sixers and Flyers packing during this time of year.
A road trip that officially began with Friday's 111-108 loss in Atlanta continues with six games in 11 days beginning with tonight's matchup with the Nuggets in Denver.
The Sixers left for the trip last night, which means they beat Denver to the Mile High City. The Nuggets played last night at Golden State.
The Sixers (14-13) will meet Portland tomorrow. After two days off, they will play in Utah on Saturday.
That will be followed by another set of back-to-backs, next Tuesday in Sacramento and Jan. 4 in Phoenix. After a day off, the trip ends Jan. 6 in Los Angeles against the Lakers.
"It's so important to win that first one" on the trip, Sixers swingman Kyle Korver said after yesterday's practice at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. "You want to get off on the right foot because you are out 11, 12 days and don't want to start on a sour note."

Quirky stat
The statistics have shown that when Allen Iverson scores a lot, the Sixers often lose. Iverson scored 53 points in Friday's loss to Atlanta. The Sixers are 3-4 in games when he scores 40 or more points; 4-7 when he scores between 30 and 39; 5-2 when he scores between 20 and 29; and 2-0 when he scores fewer than 20. Iverson leads the NBA in scoring, averaging 34.3 points per game.  ;D

Nice respite
After Friday's loss, coach Maurice Cheeks gave the Sixers the next two days off before resuming practice yesterday.
Having two days off during the NBA season isn't a common practice for many teams.
"I haven't had two days off since I've been there," said Korver, now in his third year.
Even during the all-star break, Korver hasn't had off because he has participated in the three-point shooting contest in each of his first two seasons.
"It went by fast," Korver said of his break. "It was nice to have a few days off and nice to get going again."

Disappointing Denver
The Nuggets, who were 32-8 after hiring coach George Karl last season, took a 13-14 record into last night's game against Golden State. Denver had lost five of its last seven before last night.
Carmelo Anthony, seeking his first all-star berth, entered last night leading Denver in scoring at 23.6 points per game. Center Marcus Camby was averaging 16.9 points and 13.3 rebounds.

QuotePosted on Tue, Dec. 27, 2005
Let's see if the Sixers fly united on this tripBy PHIL JASNERjasnerp@phillynews.com

DENVER - This was originally going to be about how the 76ers' trip really started here tonight against the Denver Nuggets, even though they played Friday in Atlanta. But that premise ended with the 111-108 loss to the Hawks. Not merely the loss, but the way the Sixers unraveled down the stretch.
It was looking good when Allen Iverson had 51 points, only a few minutes remained and the Sixers were in strong position to win. It wasn't looking nearly as good when Iverson got just one shot in the team's final six possessions, when John Salmons inexplicably missed three shots and got fouled on another attempt in the final 2 minutes, 21 seconds. And it was looking even worse when Salm-ons, sitting at his locker-room stall in Philips Arena, said he heard teammates talking "behind their breath" about his shots.
Just like that, this Sixers odyssey became more than just another trip. Define the travel schedule any way you want. If you wish, begin with the previous Sunday's game in Toronto; that would make it nine games in nine cities (and two countries) in 20 days. Or, let it start with the Hawks, as a seven-game trip, even though the players were off Saturday and Sunday for the holidays and practiced yesterday in Philadelphia. Or, call it a six-game Western swing, beginning tonight.
If you choose the last option, you can even buoy your hopes and aspirations by telling yourself that the Sixers, despite being 14-13 overall, are 7-0 at home vs. Western Conference opponents and that just two opponents on this trip - the Phoenix Suns and Los Angeles Lakers - have winning records.
But, now, this is about the Sixers re-establishing who they are. After yesterday's practice at Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine, though, Salmons had had a chance to calm down.
"It was a comment out of frustration," he said. "A team is just like a family; you might have a little quarrel now and then, but a real team, a real family, they come together and they put it behind them and grow."
In Atlanta on Friday night, both Iverson and Chris Webber - the team's primary scorers and locker-room voices - said they were unaware of what Salmons was talking about. But keep in mind that Salmons - in his fourth season - had never publicly uttered anything even remotely close to being negative. He doesn't need to be prodded to tell you he is faith-driven.
But this is most of what he said in Philips Arena: "This team ain't really a team, playing and acting the way we act around each other. I just heard some things that were said."
He was asked whether he found that disappointing.
"It is," he said. "That's not how a team should be."
Later, he said: "That's messed up. That's our team. What are you going to do? It's been like that for while."
Coach Maurice Cheeks said he couldn't "beat a guy up for taking a shot," although he did mention to Salm-ons that the option was always there to drive the ball to the basket, to draw a foul or to put himself in position to kick the ball back to an open teammate on the perimeter. There was a belief in the locker room that, on at least one of the late possessions when Salmons attempted a long jump shot, Kyle Korver was open. Korver is the team's best shooter.
Cheeks, who had been more disturbed by the team's lack of defense and rebounding when they needed them the most, yesterday said: "When you go out on the road, it can be two things - you can slice apart, which I don't ever see us doing, or you can bond together... And I anticipate that's what we'll do."
Webber said: "I think we've got to develop late-game court savvy. If a team makes a run at us and gets [a lead], and we were up, we have to have our heads about ourselves and realize the situation. Coach always preaches knowing the time and the score. [We have to improve] just our court awareness, just being a little calmer at the end of games."
Cheeks has been saying something similar since Dec. 18 in Toronto, when he was asked about the treacherous road ahead.
This is the Sixers' road map: the Nuggets tonight, coming off last night's game at Golden State; a return to Portland for Cheeks tomorrow night (he was the Trail Blazers' coach for more than three seasons before being fired in March); the Utah Jazz on New Year's Eve; the Sacramento Kings (Webber's second return to the city that was his Western Conference home for six seasons); then the Suns and the Lakers.
Cheeks said, in terms of goals, he looks at the trip in segments. Was he heading out on the road with a number of victories in mind?
He was, but he wouldn't say what that number was.
"I'll keep that number among us," he said.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 27, 2005, 11:38:36 AM
So if Iverson guns it three straight times without looking at his teammates, that's okay, but if someone else does it, it's not?

I see.

:-D

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2005, 05:43:54 PM
So is he talkin out of both sides of his mouth? If what Hunt heard is true then he is

no he isnt...you should never drop dimes on your teammates to the media...iverson ripped him right after the game but put a united front up for the media...nothing wrong with that

QuotePeople always say Iverson's biggest fault is the amount of shots he takes. Well I did my homework, and this turns out to be not true. It seems the Sixers win more games when Iverson takes more shots.

2004-2005*

Less than 25 shot attempts: 18-20 / 47.4% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 39-43.

More than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 22-14 / 61.1% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 50-32.

More than or equal to 30 shot attempts: 9-3 / 75.0% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 62-20.

Some of you may believe that he's just shooting more in some games because he's actually hitting his shots, causing him to win more. Well that is not the case.

Less than 25 shot attempts: 335/789 - 42.5%

More than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 431/1018 - 42.3%

More than or equal to 30 shot attempts: 177/373 - 47.5%

So his field goal percentage for "less than" and "more than" 25 shot attempts are roughly the same, yet he wins more when he shoots more than 25 shot attempts. It does look as if when he takes 30+ shot attempts, he's really hitting his shots.

Now I wanted to make sure this wasn't just a one year fluke, so I did the same research for his entire career.

CAREER

Less than 25 shot attempts: 171-191 / 47.2% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 39-43.

More than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 141-101 / 58.3% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 48-34.

More than or equal to 30 shot attempts: 51-30 / 63.0% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 52-30.

So over his entire career, it follows roughly the same pattern. If Iverson shot roughly 25 or more shots per game for his entire career, he should theoretically have a better win-loss record than he currently has (312-292 / 51.7%).

Shot Average Per Season and Wins

1996-1997: 19.8 - 21-55 (27.6%)
1997-1998: 17.6 - 31-49 (38.8%)
1998-1999: 22.0 - 28-20 (58.3%)
1999-2000: 24.8 - 43-29 (61.4%)
2000-2001: 25.5 - 50-21 (70.4%)
2001-2002: 27.8 - 36-24 (60.0%)
2002-2003: 23.7 - 47-34 (57.3%)
2003-2004: 23.4 - 21-27 (43.8%)
2004-2005: 24.2 - 42-33 (56.0%)

So for the 4 seasons where he averaged 24 or more shot attempts, he had a combined record of 171-107 (61.5%) or an average season record of 50-32.

So therefore, Iverson shouldn't be criticized for taking so many shots, since he wins more if he chucks more.






I just recently talked to a poster in the Sixers forum, and they believe that the total shots isn't what makes Iverson hurt the team, it's the amount of plays begin and end with Iverson, so I'm going to dive into this matter a little bit deeper. I will be adding in the amount of assists and turnovers, since those are instances where the play would be beginning or ending with him.

2004-2005

Less than 6 assists: 5-11 / 31.3% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 26-56.

More than or equal to 6 assists: 35-23 / 60.3% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 50-32.

More than or equal to 10 assists: 15-8 / 65.2% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 54-28.

So now it's obvious that the more he passes, the more the team wins. Since he was talking possessions, I'll follow up by finding the win percentage with shots and assists intertwined.

Less than 6 assists with less than 25 shot attempts: 2-5 / 28.6% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 23-59.

Less than 6 assists with more than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 3-6 / 33.3% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 27-55.

No games were played where Iverson had less than 6 assists but more than, or equal to 30 shot attempts.


More than or equal to 6 assists with less than 25 shot attempts: 16-15 / 51.6% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 42-40.

More than or equal to 6 assists with more than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 19-8 / 70.4% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 58-24.

More than or equal to 6 assists with more than or equal to 30 shot attempts: 9-3 / 75.0% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 62-20.


More than or equal to 10 assists with less than 25 shot attempts: 6-4 / 60.0% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 49-33.

More than or equal to 10 assists with more than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 9-4 / 69.2% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 57-23.

More than or equal to 10 assists with more than or equal to 30 shot attempts: 3-0 / 100.0% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 82-0.

So now it shows that the more Iverson not only shoots, but has the ball in his hands leading to assists leads to an even more impressive win record. So pretty much, the more plays that begin and end with Iverson, the better the Sixers do.

Quote from: mhunt on December 28, 2005, 08:10:19 AM
iverson's lucky that shot turned out to be his 13th make instead of his 18th miss because salmons was WIDE open for the 3 on that play.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 28, 2005, 08:35:37 AM
i honestly didn't realize you were joking because what you said was pretty in-line with everything else you say about AI

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 28, 2005, 08:42:21 AM
no, it was more the AI "lucky it went in" comment.

maybe i would have realized it was a joke it was...you know, funny?


i still love you though.

Quote from: mhunt on December 28, 2005, 08:51:57 AM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 28, 2005, 08:42:21 AM
no, it was more the AI "lucky it went in" comment.

maybe i would have realized it was a joke it was...you know, funny?


i still love you though.

thanks man...that means a lot, especially around the holidays.

Quote from: phattymatty on January 10, 2006, 10:24:40 AM
swift must have been the replacement for calvin booth.  how calvin booth is still in the nba amazes me, he lived in my dorm complex for a year in college and could barely walk straight much less run around the court.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 01:47:38 PM
webber needs to be euthanized and turned into glue...not traded

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 01:47:38 PM
webber needs to be euthanized and turned into glue...not traded

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 12, 2006, 12:58:20 PM
I thought Iverson used to be able to defend. What happened?

Quote from: MDS on January 14, 2006, 10:46:49 AM
At this point, this is the Sixers. This is the nucleus. Trading Iverson, Webber, Dalembert for younger players doesn't seem likely. King made the choice last off season to go with offense, not defense.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2006, 10:08:02 AM

the webber trade was a disaster...they are stuck with that cripple for three more years...he is almost single handedly holding back the team in terms of having a chance to start anew...

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2006, 03:02:48 PM
as for webber...get em out...sickening last night when he mad the bonehead play of the year not calling a timeout and then laughed about it all the way back to the bench...the guy is one of the biggest losers of all-time...choke artist central...webber = bitchmade

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 10:31:08 AM
im in there like swimwear

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 14, 2006, 12:58:17 PM
Would love to see them build off the momentum but that doesn't seem to fit the character of this team.  :-\

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2006, 03:30:07 PM
Dazzling performance today. What'd they score...32 in the entire second half?

Terrible.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 03:47:51 PM
korver 28 minutes 0 pts

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 18, 2006, 12:40:06 PM
Does Salmons actually play good defense?

Quoteit sure would be helpful if the Sixers had a post player with opposable thumbs.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 19, 2006, 12:16:12 PM
they aren't doing anything this year (or the next 3), they might as well trade AI while he is still playing top-notch basketball.  get young players, draft picks, and expiring contracts for him.

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 19, 2006, 02:30:11 PM
rome likes the Magic  :paranoid

Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 19, 2006, 02:33:19 PM
i'm just waiting for the people who ripped Randy Moss do the same for AI

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 19, 2006, 08:35:48 PM
Chuck Norris.


Hopefully.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 20, 2006, 09:31:15 PM
never doubt the power of skipping a team-building paintball game

Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2006, 09:31:47 PM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 20, 2006, 09:31:15 PM
never doubt the power of skipping a team-building paintball game

lets talk truth here.

Quote from: MDS on January 22, 2006, 08:12:57 PM
No it won't. They've played against each other before.

QuoteStephen A. Smith | It's time for 76ers to consider the unthinkable

By Stephen A. Smith

Inquirer Columnist

We have passed the point of calling the 76ers disappointing, underachievers in a Eastern Conference rife with too many at this moment.

It would be one thing if you looked at this team and questioned why it's faltered, wondering whom to blame. But when the list of the worries includes everyone from Allen Iverson to Chris Webber to Samuel Dalembert to coach Maurice Cheeks, right on up to team president Billy King, the time to sound the alarm has officially arrived.
Entering Friday night's game vs. the Memphis Grizzlies, the Sixers were an unimpressive 18-20, mired in a two-game losing streak, with finger-pointing going on all over the place.

King had just a few days earlier wondered who would play defense. Cheeks had, too. Publicly and without compunction. Rumors were circulating leaguewide that Webber was having trouble playing alongside Iverson. The same could be said of Iverson's desire to play with any of the cast of characters King has assembled for him, though King is still salivating at the thought of getting Ron Artest in a Sixers uniform.

And caught in the middle of this reality show is one fact simmering in the minds of the Philly faithful:

This team is not much better than it was under Jim O'Brien.

The Sixers may love Cheeks. His demeanor. His people skills. But, as of Friday, they were only one game better than O'Brien's 17-21 squad at this time last season.

That's the reason Iverson had a private meeting with King on Friday. Why Webber met with King on Monday. Why both appeared exasperated, envisioning a future devoid of success and championship contention. Why it probably hasn't changed, despite their victory over Memphis heading into this weekend.

"Obviously, they have concerns," King said Friday, confirming he'd met privately with both players. "Nobody likes the way things are going right now. But I've talked to both of them. Everything is OK. There are things that need to be done. Things that need to change. They both believe we'll figure these things out, and so do I. There's still a ways to go in this season."

It means nothing, unless changes occur.

The first necessary change involves Dalembert, despite what his averages of 9.3 points and 10 rebounds per game indicate. Dalembert may be averaging an impressive 3.36 blocks per game, but he's as hardheaded as they come, reluctant to absorb instruction, still registering most of his blocks on help defense instead of defending straight up, man to man.

For Kyle Korver to defend anyone would be an improvement, as would Webber, if he had the athleticism to do so.
The list can go on and on, especially since heart and commitment on defense supersede the Sixers' talent issues. The thing is, getting a hard-core individual like Artest would solve myriad problems, "and although we've talked to the Pacers," King explained, "it's something we just can't get done."

King wouldn't say why, but the reality is he doesn't have to, because the answer is obvious: The Sixers barely have what it takes to get a deal done.

Korver doesn't make enough to make a deal work, and wouldn't be enough even if his salary were within 15 percent of Artest's $6.8 million salary. King could work out a package deal involving Steven Hunter and Johnny Salmons, and it still wouldn't be enough to appease the Pacers' brain trust, Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh.

The Pacers would love to get their hands on Andre Iguodala, but King isn't stupid. Another option could very well be Blazers forward Ruben Patterson. But he's a registered sex offender with a $6.3 million salary, believed by Portland general manager John Nash to be of sixth-man quality, thus commanding equitable compensation.

"They're not a mess," one Eastern Conference GM told me about the 76ers, "but they're not great, either. A lot of people are wondering what's going on, wondering if there's anything King can do to fix this mess. You can't predict personality conflicts, injuries, stubbornness, et cetera, but this business isn't kind. You know someone always gets blamed unless something gets done to steer this in the right direction."

For King, the clock is ticking.

He may have met with Iverson Friday, but he also met with Iverson last year. King will try a lot of things because he always does. But at some point, it's not about effort. It's about what works.

If this team isn't going anywhere and the appropriate changes can't be made, perhaps it's time to think of the unthinkable.

Trade Iverson.

For his sake, as much as the future of this franchise.

That is, before a city starts calling for King's head.

QuoteClash of the stars in Philly
posted: Sunday, January 22, 2006  |  Feedback

Now it all makes sense. Now I understand why Allen Iverson told Philly reporters after Monday's embarrassing 28-point loss to Washington that he was unsure of his role with the 76ers.

A league source told me Chris Webber went off in the Sixers' locker room after the demolition by the Wizards. Frustrated by the team's mediocrity, Webber yelled at coaches and players alike while saying, in essence, he never gets the ball.

I'm not sure if he named Iverson directly, but I'm told it was clear he was calling out A.I., who dominates the rock and is averaging a whopping 25.8 shots a game, second only to King Kobe.

Apparently, the episode made Iverson wonder if he's leading the Sixers correctly. Why else would he question his role, which has been to hoist and hoist and hoist since he set foot in Philly 10 years ago?

Coach Maurice Cheeks was stunned by A.I.'s assertion, but certainly understood where it was coming from. That's why he spoke for 27 minutes after Wednesday's loss to New Jersey about the importance of "sticking together'' through tough times. Then on Thursday, Cheeks cancelled practice and instead, in an obvious attempt at bonding, took the team paint-balling.

The irony in this situation is that while A.I. and C-Webb are undeniably productive, they both have major roles in Philly's struggles. The Sixers are 20-20 for one reason and one reason only: they couldn't guard a statue.

They give up 102.9 points a game and allow opponents to shoot 46 percent. In other words, you're always hot, always "in the zone'' when playing the Sixers.

A scout told me this week that Philly's defensive problems begin with A.I. and end with C-Webb. He said the fact that A.I. applies no pressure whatsoever when opposing point guards bring the ball up court allows teams to get into their offense too easily.

Then, C-Webb doesn't front the post, so entry passes down low are pudding. Teams can also pick-and-roll C-Webb to death because of his mobility problems. In the middle of the A.I./C-Webb spectrum is Kyle Korver, who gets toasted nightly by whichever 2- or 3-man Andre Iguodala's not guarding.

For all of C-Webb's complaints about not getting the ball, the Sixers' offense is not really the problem. Philly is averaging 101.8, second in the league, on 46 percent shooting.

Still, I (and to be honest, most execs around the league) wonder if you can win big with A.I. dominating the rock so much. There's no doubt he is spectacular, arguably the best little man ever next to Isiah (he's ahead of Tiny in my book and only John Stockton compares).

I said before the season that A.I. probably should let Webber handle it more (because of his passing ability) and drop to about 24 ppg so Iguodala and John Salmons can get more involved. I don't know if that would make the Sixers win more, but a coach told me this week that A.I.'s dominance has stunted the growth of Iguodala, who just about everyone thinks can be a star.

If the Sixers are going to have A.I. continue to play as he does, they will have to go back to the Larry Brown-concept to regain contender status. The one year the Sixers were legit was when Brown put a bunch of gritty, hard-nosed defenders, rebounders and spot-up shooters around A.I.

These are the best types of teammates for Iverson. Any player who can really do things on his own offensively will get frustrated next to A.I. because he always has the rock. If you can take it to the rack and create on your own, you won't mesh well with A.I. -- not because of his personality but because of his game.

That's why none of the so-called "second stars" have panned out in Philly. Keith Van Horn, Toni Kukoc, Glenn Robinson, Larry Hughes and now C-Webb. Granted, those guys were either too young, beyond their prime, or better suited to be third or fourth options. But fact is, none of them played to their offensive potential in Philly.

If A.I. pulled back a bit offensively, it would allow him to exert more energy on defense, which would go a long way in solving the Sixers' No. 1 problem.

My guess is that nothing will change in Philly: They'll deny that any rift, or tension, exists between their stars; A.I. will challenge Kobe for the scoring and launches-per-game titles; and the Sixers will finish around .500, 7th in the East.

Then they'll get shellacked by Miami in the first round of the playoffs.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 23, 2006, 09:44:59 AM
The Sixers will never win a title with a 6' gunner as the focalpoint of the team.

I've been saying that shtein for years and have been ridiculed for it by Iverson-fluffers.

Nice to see that some of you are starting to come around.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2006, 09:48:20 AM
The Sixers will never win a title with a 6' gunner as the focalpoint of the team.

I've been saying that shtein for years and have been ridiculed for it by Iverson-fluffers.

lol

did you predict that they would only get to the finals with a 6' gunner just not actually win a title

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2006, 09:54:30 AM
what they get in return in irrelevant...in fact id give him away at this point...just to move on and see what they have with the younger players

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 09:52:10 AM
Anyone remember the Barkley trade? (Lang, Hornacek, Perry)

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 09:58:42 AM
just because they screwed up the barkley trade doesn't mean they should never, ever trade another superstar player.
if attendance continues to decline, they'd have no choice but to consider trading ai...when a cash cow is no longer a cash cow, he's expendable.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2006, 10:00:29 AM
don't you think the east is a little stronger this year than it was back then?
that was one of those seasons where everything went right & the east was horrible...those days are over, in case you haven't noticed

so the sixers will go nowhere with a 6' gunner except in years where the conference sucks and everything goes right

am i missing anything else?

odd numbered years?
oil is over $30 a barrell?
the 50 year storm at bells beach?

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 10:01:39 AM

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 09:58:42 AM
just because they screwed up the barkley trade doesn't mean they should never, ever trade another superstar player.
if attendance continues to decline, they'd have no choice but to consider trading ai...when a cash cow is no longer a cash cow, he's expendable.

Who do you think we're going to get from him? You just want to get rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him? If they can trade AI and get something decent for him, I'm all for it. But letting him walk for peanuts would be completly dumb.
I use the Barkley trade because the situations are similar. Neither team is overly talented and I heard the same comments about Barkley that I am about AI. That trade set us back what? 10 years.

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 10:07:55 AM
i never said trade him for garbage.  the barkley trade was one of the worst in the history of sports...you can't assume that an iverson trade would be just as bad.
i think they'd get a superstar player in return...probably a borderline all-star.  if they could get a guy like that and a 1st round pick, i'd be satisfied.  matching up salaries & iverson's unwillingness to play team ball is what would make a trade difficult.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 10:13:56 AM

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 10:07:55 AM
i never said trade him for garbage.  the barkley trade was one of the worst in the history of sports...you can't assume that an iverson trade would be just as bad.
i think they'd get a superstar player in return...probably a borderline all-star.  if they could get a guy like that and a 1st round pick, i'd be satisfied.  matching up salaries & iverson's unwillingness to play team ball is what would make a trade difficult.

If they could get a borderline All Star and a 1st round pick for him King should be considered GM of the decade. No way a team gives up that much for him. Like I said earlier, a younger version of AI (1 year before he was league MVP) would only get us Jones, Rice, and Williams. His value has gone down since then. He's almost untradeable at this point.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2006, 10:13:28 AM
seriously, do you see them making a run in the next 3-4 years?

no i dont...they are done...their team sucks and iverson is a day away from being worthless because when he loses his first step its all over...and its a super fine line btwn iversons speed and the next group of guards behind him...and when age brings him back on the other side of that line with everyone else is when he will see his height and lack of shooting accuracy become painfully exposed...its going to be a really sad day when that happens cause i love iverson and dont want to see him hanging on like a once champion race horse who has gone lame

which is why i would literally give him away right now...cause he is the kind of person that will not acknowledge his loss of speed and will try to hang on way to long...its going to be really ugly and painful to watch and id rather him be in another city doing it

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 10:20:05 AM
i don't remember the jones/rice/williams thing.  was that back when rice was an all-star?
i do remember the garnett trade though. :boom

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 23, 2006, 10:21:20 AM
The fact that the Sixers nixed that deal tells you all you need to know about their management.

Garnett for Iverson would have been the steal of the millennium.

:'(

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 23, 2006, 10:29:18 AM
It was legit, SD.

You must have been out to sea at that time.

:D

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 10:32:55 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 23, 2006, 10:29:18 AM
It was legit, SD.

You must have been out to sea at that time.

:D

I had internet access while out to sea, but nice try though  :P

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 10:27:22 AM

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 10:20:05 AM
i don't remember the jones/rice/williams thing.  was that back when rice was an all-star?
i do remember the garnett trade though. :boom

No, Rice was coming off the bench at the time. Only starter we were getting was Jones, and he was constantly battling injuries. That was the trade that would have been completed if Geiger would have waived his guaranteed contract to go to Detroit. Article on the trade that almost happened. (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCJ/is_5_28/ai_71187961)

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 23, 2006, 10:41:22 AM
He didn't take them to the finals singlehandedly, you jackass.

They had a far better complement of players on that team than they do now and they still got smoked by the Lakers.

Like Hunt said, the Eastern Conference was an absolute joke that year.  The stars aligned and the Sixers made it to the Finals with a good team and a Hall of Fame coach.

Yay.  They still got demolished by the Lakers in 5.

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 10:47:48 AM
iverson was great that season....but that was 5 years ago.
and i know it's splitting hairs but romey said they wouldn't WIN a championship with iverson & they didn't that year.

anyway, it's 2006, not 2001...and the sixers aren't anywhere near championship level.

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 10:47:48 AM
iverson was great that season....but that was 5 years ago.
and i know it's splitting hairs but romey said they wouldn't WIN a championship with iverson & they didn't that year.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 23, 2006, 10:43:26 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 23, 2006, 10:41:22 AM
He didn't take them to the finals singlehandedly, you jackass.

They had a far better complement of players on that team than they do now and they still got smoked by the Lakers.

Like Hunt said, the Eastern Conference was an absolute joke that year.  The stars aligned and the Sixers made it to the Finals with a good team and a Hall of Fame coach.

Yay.  They still got demolished by the Lakers in 5.

he was the MVP of the league, and their only scorer, yes he singlehandedly took them to the finals.  to say otherwise only exposes that you truly hate the guy and negates any misinformed opinion you may have of him.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 23, 2006, 10:57:10 AM

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 10:47:48 AM
iverson was great that season....but that was 5 years ago.
and i know it's splitting hairs but romey said they wouldn't WIN a championship with iverson & they didn't that year.

i know, but when you make a statement like that, it's because you believe the player in question is not good enough to get a team even close to winning a championship.  to pound your chest about that statement when the guy was league MVP, carried them to the finals, and even singlehandedly stole a game from one of the best teams in the past 15 year is asinine. 

that's like me saying, "Kobe Bryant will never score 85 points in a game in his career."  And then me pounding my chest about it after he only scores 81.

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 11:36:59 AM
why won't they get equal value for him???


all the reasons people are giving are the exact reasons whey they SHOULD trade him.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2006, 11:53:40 AM
Seriously though...what are you going to rebuild with?!?! You won't get any pieces to aid in rebuilding by trading him!!

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2006, 11:53:40 AM
Not only are you a hater...but you're a stinkin Magic fan! Go worship Jameer and Dwight, bish!! :-*

Seriously though...what are you going to rebuild with?!?! You won't get any pieces to aid in rebuilding by trading him!!

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2006, 12:01:31 PM
But the thing is...you're not getting rid of his contract really. Since you have to match contracts to trade in the NBA it is crazy. So technically you'd be getting ri dof AI's $20+ a year contract but youd be taking on another players $20M+ a year deal or two players who make the equivalent to that.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 23, 2006, 12:04:29 PM


Cut your losses now and re-build.  That's their only option as far as I can see.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 23, 2006, 01:50:08 PM
Iggy would be a better foundation to start a team with than a 30 year-old point guard who refuses to play defense.

Squid.

;)

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 02:03:47 PM
yeah, really.  how about building a team like they did in detroit?

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 02:10:58 PM
...I want a foundation before I trade the franchise away.

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 02:32:33 PM
he is.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2006, 02:38:18 PM
they are playing their roles...dalembert blocks shots and rebounds...iggy checks the other teams best scorer and gets 9-8-5 every night...all this while they watch iverson and webber take 50 shots a game

and i wouldnt build around anyone id get as much young talent as i possibly could and put them out there with some veteran defenders sprinkled in and see what happens...better than wasting away key years off the careers of these young players while allen iverson declines into an average player before our eyes along side a crippled webber...

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 23, 2006, 02:46:08 PM
Iverson has no value?

Dude, stop it.

:-D

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 02:03:47 PM
yeah, really.  how about building a team like they did in detroit?

QuoteEverything pretty much turned around for that franchise when they traded Grant Hill...

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 02:58:36 PM
it's odd that the folks who constantly say how great iverson is are also saying that he has low trade value.
me confused. :-D

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 23, 2006, 03:12:18 PM
The problem with the Sixers is that they have 2 guys eating up about 75% of the cap, plus they'll never get any free agents to come here because of cap room and only being able to offer mid-level exceptions, plus they'd have to play with AI and Webber, so we're stuck...

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 23, 2006, 03:30:02 PM
We have our 2006 #1 but don't have our 2007 #1 (it goes to Golden State)

QuoteNo A.I. in leadership for Sixers

PHILADELPHIA - Maybe, finally, Allen Iverson understands what his role is on this basketball team now. He ought to. He's been putting on the same stage play for a long time now.

For 27 minutes after the Sixers' 101-90 loss to the New Jersey Nets on Wednesday night, Mo Cheeks' was the only audible voice in the Sixers' locker room. He was the only one speaking, telling his players to stay together, challenging them to meet the measure of the moment before them.

If they're not careful, if things don't change right quick, this Sixers season will be gone before it reaches its midpoint. They're 18-20 now, four games behind the Nets in the Atlantic Division and falling, and after Cheeks finished his speech, it was time for the team leader to take some responsibility.

Instead, he absolved himself.

"I've always been the main focus on the team," Iverson said, "so I've always had that sense of urgency. You've heard me say it a million times just from me being here for so long. You can't teach heart. You can have all the talent in the world, [but] if you don't have any heart, you're going to struggle in this league as a player and, if the team doesn't have the heart, then the team is going to struggle."

Once more, in his 10th season here, this was Iverson's twisted definition of leadership made manifest. Two days after he himself had challenged Cheeks in public, claiming he was unsure of his role on the team, Iverson left himself off the list of maladies afflicting this basketball team. Bad defense? Confusion on offense? A locker room that could come apart if the coach isn't careful? It was as if Iverson would have been incredulous at the idea that he, the alpha and omega of this franchise, would have anything to do with these questions.

"Out of all the tough times I've had in Philadelphia, they've been overcome," Iverson said. "That's the only way I can look at it. I look at myself and try to do more to overcome it."

For Iverson, and unfortunately for the Sixers, do more has always meant shoot more, and Wednesday night was one more example. Iverson took 29 shots to get his 36 points. No other Sixer took more than 10. The Nets were a joy to watch with the way they worked the basketball from one player to the next, racking up 29 assists on their 37 baskets, and the Sixers are still the same sight every time they come down the floor.

Everything runs through Iverson. Everything. And it is to the Sixers' detriment. They are 8-5 when he scores fewer than 30 points this season, 10-15 when he scores more than 30. He put up 19 points in the third quarter Wednesday, a spectacular display of individual showmanship, and the Sixers began the quarter trailing by six and ended it trailing by eight. What good had he done them? He talks so much about trusting his teammates, yet he rarely follows through on his own words.

"I'd be cheating them if I honestly didn't think we had a shot" at a championship, Iverson said. "If I didn't feel like these guys could do it, I'd go in and tell Billy [King] to get me out of here."

Really, King should have done just that long ago. Is Iverson solely to blame for the Sixers' sinking season? Of course not. There isn't a member of the team's starting five, save Andre Iguodala, that is capable of playing even a modicum of decent defense, and it sure would be helpful if the Sixers had a post player with opposable thumbs. But it's clear now that building around Iverson is getting the Sixers nowhere. Whatever he says, he hasn't overcome as much in his time here as he thinks: Ten years, and only once have the Sixers advanced past the second round of the playoffs. That's a rather empty legacy, one that won't improve this year. (OUCH!  that was harsh, romey!)

Yes, Wednesday night might have been black bottom for this team, but never forget how the week began. Never forget that Allen Iverson showed the first public crack in Mo Cheeks' connection with his players. Before Wednesday's game, before the team meeting that wouldn't end, Cheeks was asked if he knew what Iverson might have meant when he said he didn't understand his role.

"No."

Why would he say something like that?

"I don't know."

Then, someone asked a sharp, serious question of Mo Cheeks about his team's most important player, its purported leader: Did you ask him to do anything differently, like pass the ball?

And he laughed and said nothing else, which only said everything. He was asked about Allen Iverson and unselfish basketball, and Mo Cheeks actually laughed.

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 23, 2006, 04:45:18 PM
The Sixers couldn't get past the 2nd round in the 10 years before AI, too.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 04:50:51 PMAside from Larry Hughes what player has left the Sixers and been successful?

Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2006, 04:53:15 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 04:50:51 PMAside from Larry Hughes what player has left the Sixers and been successful?

Glenn Robinson won a  championship last year.  :P

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 04:54:50 PM
Glenn Robinson plays basketball like old people farg.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 05:00:15 PM
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050224/050224_glenn_robinson_hmed.hmedium.jpg)

What an intimidating photo. It's like watching MJ and Phil in the finals.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2006, 05:08:52 PM
shaq doesnt count either

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 04:50:51 PM

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 23, 2006, 04:45:18 PM
The Sixers couldn't get past the 2nd round in the 10 years before AI, too.

And what started that downfall? The Barkley trade. Perhaps, just like Barkley, the Sixers could have done a little better job surrounding AI with some talent. Aside from Larry Hughes what player has left the Sixers and been successful?

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2006, 09:52:37 PM
because the net game doesnt allow people to back track on their opinions much less straight change their mind or  be on both sides of the same fence...once you become an iverson hater you must at all costs uphold that otherwise its a sign of net weakness and you get kicked out the club...and we cant have that

thus what you get is statements that will be backed up to the death no matter how off the wall and blatantly absurd they are

nerdy internet sports fans are all the rage

Quote from: mhunt on January 23, 2006, 07:01:29 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 23, 2006, 04:50:51 PM

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 23, 2006, 04:45:18 PM
The Sixers couldn't get past the 2nd round in the 10 years before AI, too.

And what started that downfall? The Barkley trade. Perhaps, just like Barkley, the Sixers could have done a little better job surrounding AI with some talent. Aside from Larry Hughes what player has left the Sixers and been successful?

what players have come to the sixers from another team & improved playing alongside iverson?

Quote from: MDS on January 24, 2006, 06:02:25 PM
Lee Nailon punched his wife in the face and was arrested on assualt and harassment charges.  :-D

Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2006, 10:00:56 PM
Yeah, a few minutes after it was "confirmed."  Artest told the Kings and Pacers he didn't want to go to Sacramento so the Kings called it off. 

Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2006, 10:48:22 PM
You want Ron Artest to launch a rocket dildo in your flamming hot love hole?  That's all good if you're into that but I don't see the relevance. 

Quote from: mhunt on January 25, 2006, 08:36:46 AM
maybe they'll make a run.

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 25, 2006, 08:39:21 AM

Quote from: mhunt on January 25, 2006, 08:36:46 AM
maybe they'll make a run.

At what?  A first-round playoff exit?