jeez.. naw. now were screwed.
http://www.theredzone.org/news/showarticle.asp?ArticleID=3434
QuotePHILADELPHIA - Donovan McNabb is unlikely to play in Philadelphia's game against the New York Giants on Sunday because of a groin injury.
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"I wouldn't bet on it," Eagles coach Andy Reid said Tuesday when asked if McNabb could start. "He doesn't look good today."
McNabb injured his groin while trying to tackle Dallas' Roy Williams after throwing an interception. Williams returned the pick 46 yards for a touchdown with 2:43 left to lead the Cowboys to a 21-20 comeback victory over the Eagles on Monday night.
Reid said McNabb had an MRI on Tuesday morning, and was waiting to see a specialist. If McNabb doesn't play, Mike McMahon probably would start against the Giants.
McMahon, listed as the third-string quarterback, played the last series against Dallas, and drove the Eagles to the Cowboys 42 before David Akers missed a 60-yard field goal attempt in the final seconds.
McNabb has played through several injuries this season, including a sports hernia that will require surgery. He walked gingerly to the podium at his post-game new conference and grimaced with every step.
Reid said McNabb is "sore more in the groin area than in the abdominal area."
McNabb's psyche is feeling worse after his interception cost Philadelphia a crucial victory. The reigning conference champion Eagles (4-5) have lost three straight games and are last in the NFC East.
"He takes a lot of responsibility on his shoulders and he was devastated by the loss," Reid said.
Surgey NOW ::) ::)
Definitely time to get surgery. We need him 100% for 2006. The earlier he gets it, the better. Maybe McMahon will spark this team.
Quote from: fansince61 on November 15, 2005, 04:37:31 PM
Surgey NOW ::) ::)
It will take Federov forever to learn the position, let alone the system, just go with McMahon. ;)
Speaking of ... if we go right to McMahon, why do we have neackbeard, and don't say he's the holder. I luv me sum Koy, but I have no confidence in his leading a team for any length of time. I saw how they have to clear passing lanes for Ty and him, and that is the last thing we need to have to do, is change QBs with different playing styles while breaking in mediocre receivers.
Why not because he is the holder? That is the reason. You may not like it, but that is the reason. Akers wants only Koy.
Neckbeard isn't so bad but he can't throw the ball downfield far enough for Brown to drop it in a dramatic fashion
the one problem McMahon had in Detroit is that he tried to force to many balls and threw a lot of picks. this year not withstanding, that's always been Donovan's greatest strength. If Donovan doesn't play again this year, I think they would be lucky to go 3-4, 2-5 is probably more like it.
I absolutely hated McMahon when I saw him at Lehigh. If you read the updates I put up I think I bitched about him in every thread I started because not only did he look like shtein throwing but he pulled the ball down and ran more than Saint Michael of Atlanta does.
I was listening to Trotter's show on the way to work last night and he mentioned that him and Simoneau talked about that in camp - how he yanked it down too quick and Trot told him to throw it and quit running so much. And how it was probably because he wasn't yet familiar with Reid's stuff.
But he looked decent in the PS and he looked decent on MNF considering he came in cold in a tight spot.
His running ability could actually help them.
Donovan was immobile most of the year and let's be real here...would any McMahon INT's be worse than some of the slop Donny Mac has pitched out there?
figuring who he has to throw to now, being able to scramble will be a great asset to McMahon.
we'll see though, we all know that they won't make the playoffs, so any good games we get to see from here on out will be a pleasant surprise, IMO.
Mike McMahon = Mike Vick
figuring who he has to throw to now, being able to scramble will be a great asset to McMahon
yeah the qb is irrelevant right now since the wr's are pathetic...where are all the greg lewis jockers now??...god were they sickening all summer big upping him...kool aiders at their worst thinking a #3 or 4 guy could start in this league
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2005, 08:53:39 AM
figuring who he has to throw to now, being able to scramble will be a great asset to McMahon
yeah the qb is irrelevant right now since the wr's are pathetic...where are all the greg lewis jockers now??...god were they sickening all summer big upping him...kool aiders at their worst thinking a #3 or 4 guy could start in this league
I don't think Greg Lewis has played any worse than Todd Pinkston did last season. And barring some miraculous turn around where Todd actually transforms himself into a serious offensive threat, I don't think his presence would have made much of a difference if he played this year.
no, they definitely missed Pinkston this year. many people didn't think they would but they did. Lewis and Pinkston are different players with different roles.
Pinkston, for all his shortcomings, the one thing he could do is stretch the defense and go up and fight for the ball. Lewis isn't that kind of player, he's more of a possession reciever.
Last year, with Pinkston going deep and TO eating up the underneath, the Eagles passing game was deadly. But this year, with no deep threat, the safeties played closer to the line and took away some of TO's underneath stuff.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 16, 2005, 08:44:07 AM
I absolutely hated McMahon when I saw him at Lehigh. If you read the updates I put up I think I bitched about him in every thread I started because not only did he look like shtein throwing but he pulled the ball down and ran more than Saint Michael of Atlanta does.
I was listening to Trotter's show on the way to work last night and he mentioned that him and Simoneau talked about that in camp - how he yanked it down too quick and Trot told him to throw it and quit running so much. And how it was probably because he wasn't yet familiar with Reid's stuff.
But he looked decent in the PS and he looked decent on MNF considering he came in cold in a tight spot.
His running ability could actually help them.
Donovan was immobile most of the year and let's be real here...would any McMahon INT's be worse than some of the slop Donny Mac has pitched out there?
Yeah, I don't think it's so much that I'm excited to see McMahon play, I'm just excited to see a mix up in the roster which hopefully provides some sort of spark. The same unit has been playing like shtein pretty much the whole season (especially away) so mixing it up a bit has me interested in seeing what could happen on Sunday. Maybe some mixups on defense will provide a spark, like Mikell at SS, Cole at DE, and now McMahon at QB with Westbrook maybe getting 20 carries??! It could happen, especially since McMahon probably doesn't grasp the whole offense yet.
It's going to be a more run heavy offense, at least one would think it would be after watching the MNF game and knowing that McNabb will not be playing. Let's see what transpires.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 16, 2005, 09:27:38 AM
no, they definitely missed Pinkston this year. many people didn't think they would but they did. Lewis and Pinkston are different players with different roles.
Pinkston, for all his shortcomings, the one thing he could do is stretch the defense and go up and fight for the ball. Lewis isn't that kind of player, he's more of a possession reciever.
Last year, with Pinkston going deep and TO eating up the underneath, the Eagles passing game was deadly. But this year, with no deep threat, the safeties played closer to the line and took away some of TO's underneath stuff.
Yeah, Pinkston's deep threat possibly hurt this team, but did they ever really try going deep with Lewis? A few times early on in the season they tried to stretch the field with him but it seemed as though McNabb overthrew him and they never went back to those plays. He looked like he had a few steps on some of those DB's too.
I think just Andy has been somewhat reluctant to go deep this year too. Really, can you remember what McNabb's longest completion of the year was? I mean in actual passing distance not YAC yards. It can't be too substantial.
I think Lewis has the speed to get by DB's, but they utilize him more in the middle of the field. Maybe Andy will open it up and throw a few deep ones Lewis' way. And if they reasonably get to him and hit his hands he should catch it. If not then we know he's not much of a threat.
Greg Lewis earns his money by working the underneath stuff. Pinkston is a certified vadge, but he can haul in the deep ball (provided no dafeties are lurking).
If they'd move Greg to the slot in 3WR sets and let Billy Mac go outside I think that would help. Not only does Greg read coverage better than Billy (which is essential when playing in the slot) but Billy's height advantage outside would make the fades, fade stops and other assorted jump all type plays almost guaranteed.
Lewis can hide behind LBs and in front of DBs when they're in cover 2/3 or zones.
I was a bit more disappointed in Reggie Brown last game. He obviously made some critical drops and I don't like how he doesn't dive forward when he's around the sticks. It seems like he gets thrown around too easily and it has me nervous sometimes. He hasn't displayed a great ability to break tackles, yet.
That drop on the final drive pissed me off.
He had too many drops to be honest.
I get too angry when I think about Monday. Such a goddamn shame.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 16, 2005, 09:49:24 AM
That drop on the final drive pissed me off.
He had too many drops to be honest.
I get too angry when I think about Monday. Such a goddamn shame.
For the last God-damned time, he actually didn't drop that one. He made a very good adjustment to make the catch, but as soon as it touched his hands, the DB knocked it out on a perfectly-timed play. He didn't have a great game, but ragging on him for that play is just unfair. Not his fault.
He wouldn't have had that problem if he had caught it one-handed while doing a somersault. Stupid rookies...
The CB did make a well timed play, but Brown could have and should have muscled through that because he had position and if he's stronger than the CB, which he probably is, he should have been able to grab that pass and hold onto it. TO totally would have made that catch. GET TO!
I hate you a lot. You're welcome.
Aw shucks. You're making me blush. Fruit.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2005, 11:40:41 AM
TO totally would have made that catch. GET TO!
it would be a risky move, but I think the Eagles have the sort of locker room leadership that could keep a guy like him in line.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 16, 2005, 11:47:24 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2005, 11:40:41 AM
TO totally would have made that catch. GET TO!
it would be a risky move, but I think the Eagles have the sort of locker room leadership that could keep a guy like him in line.
I agree. I think this guy's been given a bad rap by the media. I think a change of scenery would do him a world of good.
Honestly, T.O. did seem like he really is a pretty good guy on Punk'd last night.
TO is a good guy, he just needs counseling, medication and therapy. He's no Leonard Little who runs over people while liquored up.
farg farging TO and every single assbag who defends him. farg off.
Why is Reid going with McMahon and not Detmer? Kind of a slap in the face to Detmer, no?
Quote from: archer on November 16, 2005, 10:00:17 PM
Why is Reid going with McMahon and not Detmer? Kind of a slap in the face to Detmer, no?
Because McMahon is a QB. Neckbeard is just Akers' boytoy.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 16, 2005, 10:10:41 PM
Quote from: archer on November 16, 2005, 10:00:17 PM
Why is Reid going with McMahon and not Detmer? Kind of a slap in the face to Detmer, no?
Because McMahon is a QB. Neckbeard is just Akers' boytoy.
I McMahon may suprise some, may not be as bad as you think. Is it me or does it look like he's going 100 miles per hour after the ball is snapped? His mobility is something opposing teams are going to have to deal with.
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Please Donovan...do what they say and just get the damn surgery. If you get hit in the stomach, you may end up dragging your large intestine behind you as you sit on the cart on your way up the tunnel.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2005, 04:56:36 PM
farg farging TO and every single assbag who defends him. farg off.
Somebody missed the sarcasm bus yesterday.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 17, 2005, 01:28:50 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2005, 04:56:36 PM
farg farging TO and every single assbag who defends him. farg off.
Somebody missed the sarcasm bus yesterday.
Not everyone he was talking to was being sarcastic. That's the sad part.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 16, 2005, 10:10:41 PMBecause McMahon is a QB. Neckbeard is just Akers' boytoy.
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QuoteDECISION IS IN McNABB'S COURT
November 17, 2005
By CHRIS McPHERSON
Quarterback Donovan McNabb visited renowned Philadelphia surgeon Dr. William Meyers this morning regarding his sports hernia and subsequent groin injury.
Meyers recommended that McNabb should have the surgery to correct the condition.
McNabb has to make a decision whether to have the surgery, and end his 2005 season, or try to rehab and play through the pain.
McNabb has already been declared out for Sunday's game against the Giants. Mike McMahon is starting in McNabb's place.
I think he should have the surgery. What do you guys think?
Awwwwwwwe... McNabb is afwaid of going under the knife.
What a Hoyda.
Bring back T.O.!
:deion
He should get the surgery, avoid any potential complications in the offseason, and let everyone move on. It's not like he's being tremendously effective this way, anyway.
hes gonna try and rehab.
Oh, and I'm not really big on jinxes...but I can't say I'm looking forward to another Eagle gracing the cover of Madden 07.
ummm surgery has been recommended since the minute they diagnosed it as a sports hernia
this is not news
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 01:55:44 PM
ummm surgery has been recommended since the minute they diagnosed it as a sports hernia
this is not news
Yes, actually...it is. Particularly in light of the groin injury.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 01:55:44 PM
ummm surgery has been recommended since the minute they diagnosed it as a sports hernia
this is not news
Yes, it is.
not really, Donovan's already said he's going to have surgery, it's just a matter of when. so when the doctor recommends surgery to the player who's already decided to have surgery, it's not that big of a deal.
what would be a big deal is if the doctor told him that he needs to have surgery now because there's nothing else he can do to get better.
Quote from: Zanshin on November 17, 2005, 01:55:43 PM
Oh, and I'm not really big on jinxes...but I can't say I'm looking forward to another Eagle gracing the cover of Madden 07.
Yeah, there's pretty much zero chance of that happeneing.
Quote from: Zanshin on November 17, 2005, 01:55:43 PM
Oh, and I'm not really big on jinxes...but I can't say I'm looking forward to another Eagle gracing the cover of Madden 07.
Reno Mahe for Madden 07!!
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 17, 2005, 01:57:42 PM
not really, Donovan's already said he's going to have surgery, it's just a matter of when. so when the doctor recommends surgery to the player who's already decided to have surgery, it's not that big of a deal.
what would be a big deal is if the doctor told him that he needs to have surgery now because there's nothing else he can do to get better.
The doctor IS telling him to have it now.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2227226
i personally dont believe he has a groin injury...its pain in the groin via the hernia...as it has been since day one
now if he has an injury seperate from the hernia and he needs surgery on his groin then yes that is news...but he doesnt and isnt
It's like people can't read. Must be nice to have such strong, irrational opinions that reality is an afterthought.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 01:59:06 PM
i personally dont believe he has a groin injury...
LOL, you're a farging expert now, eh?
LOL, you're a farging expert now, eh?
i personally dont believe
Shocker.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 02:02:05 PM
LOL, you're a farging expert now, eh?
i personally dont believe
And this matters because....
And this matters because
it doesnt
at least no more or less than any opinion youve ever posted on the board
Doctor...... Pharmacist.... Doctor..... Pharmacist.
Quote from: MURP on November 17, 2005, 02:24:59 PM
Doctor...... Pharmacist.... Doctor..... Pharmacist.
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I think the only reason McNabb is thinking about surgery and not going ahead with the procedure is because he doesn't want to end this season on a sour note. If he can play another few games and lead this team to victory I'm sure he wants to do that. I have no question that McNabb is a great competitor, and I'm assuming that is his reasoning for not going under the knife so soon. I truly believe he doesn't have quit in him when he's on the football field.
However, you wonder how great he can play with such an aggravation.
Remember when Fassel and the Giants ripped off all of those wins a few years back to make the playoffs? They scaled back the playbook and just simply attacked downfield. They didn't try to get fancy with a bunch of pre-snap motions or awkward formations. They just lined up in a traditional set and went right down the field. I think the Eagles need to take a similar approach. Don't get cute, line up, scale it back, and let it fly. Cut back on stupid offensive penalties and try to consistently move the ball.
Plus, McMahon probably doesn't know the whole offense by now so they are probably going to have to scale it back somewhat anyways. Just keep it basic and try to continually move the sticks.
MURP has a closet attraction to Tom Cruise.
psst, I posted that already. :P
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 02:07:27 PM
And this matters because
it doesnt
at least no more or less than any opinion youve ever posted on the board
True... the only difference is that my opinions tend to be based in the realm of reality.
True... the only difference is that my opinions tend to be based in the realm of reality.
so its not possible that mcnabb has no groin injury much less one that requires surgery??
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 03:13:52 PM
True... the only difference is that my opinions tend to be based in the realm of reality.
so its not possible that mcnabb has no groin injury much less one that requires surgery??
What's not possible is that you have ANY knowledge whatsoever about what McNabb's injuries really are, about what's new and what's not, as idiotic statements like this one would indicate.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 01:59:06 PM
i personally dont believe he has a groin injury...its pain in the groin via the hernia...as it has been since day one
now if he has an injury seperate from the hernia and he needs surgery on his groin then yes that is news...but he doesnt and isnt
Quote from: Eaglez on November 17, 2005, 02:30:41 PM
I think the only reason McNabb is thinking about surgery and not going ahead with the procedure is because he doesn't want to end this season on a sour note. If he can play another few games and lead this team to victory I'm sure he wants to do that. I have no question that McNabb is a great competitor, and I'm assuming that is his reasoning for not going under the knife so soon. I truly believe he doesn't have quit in him when he's on the football field.
However, you wonder how great he can play with such an aggravation.
Remember when Fassel and the Giants ripped off all of those wins a few years back to make the playoffs? They scaled back the playbook and just simply attacked downfield. They didn't try to get fancy with a bunch of pre-snap motions or awkward formations. They just lined up in a traditional set and went right down the field. I think the Eagles need to take a similar approach. Don't get cute, line up, scale it back, and let it fly. Cut back on stupid offensive penalties and try to consistently move the ball.
Plus, McMahon probably doesn't know the whole offense by now so they are probably going to have to scale it back somewhat anyways. Just keep it basic and try to continually move the sticks.
I think the only reason he'd think about not having it is because of his ego. He's going to try to show critics he can play hurt when we all know he can't right now. He has absolutely no reason to go out there and try to play. He's sorta in denial with that kinda stuff.
Farg farging surgery unless the farging Eagles somehow farging lose on Sunday.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 17, 2005, 03:58:41 PM
I think the only reason he'd think about not having it is because of his ego. He's going to try to show critics he can play hurt when we all know he can't right now. He has absolutely no reason to go out there and try to play. He's sorta in denial with that kinda stuff.
You talking about EGO and being in DENIAL when you suck off TO like you do?
Comedy at its finest.
I've said plenty of times TO has an ego, is insecure and is insane. McNabb has an ego too.
I share a birthday with Mike McMahon. That means he's going to be a big-time superstar.
Or he'll blow all his money at the roulette table and live in a trailer.
i don't understand why he's even thinking about surgery. he knows it has to get done. unless the eagles win out and get some help from a few other teams their not winning a superbowl this year. that was the goal... the goal is now unreachable. the next goal is for him to get healthy. hopefully he doesn't blow that too.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 05:41:02 PM
Or he'll blow all his money at the roulette table and live in a trailer.
Hey! I haven't done that!
(yet)
Well, roulette isn't exactly my bag, but you never know where your future will lead you. I'd imagine that if I did get into roulette, I'd probably lose money at it.
BTW, McNabb's "specialist" is the head of surgery for Drexel. Obviously a boob.
Ha. Boob.
big boob
mcnabb not playing sunday but he sure is scheduled to be on letterman next tuesday...how infuriating is that
a week after he throws the worst interception in team history hes gonna be clownin around with dave...i guess its not too suprising considering after most of his hideous plays he runs off the field laughing anyway
i think i would pull an elvis on my tv if i saw this crap
Boob.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2005, 10:25:06 AM
i think i would pull an elvis on my tv if i saw this crap
i hope that means you plan to die while shteinting on it.
maybe he's gonna have rupert g perform the surgery. that would be kinda neat
What a wimping bytch. If the Eagles had beat Denver and had not imploded against the Cowboys would he be doing this now??? Here's a tidbit from ESPN.
7. There's nothing worse than a player's lying on the field with an injury after making a mistake that cost his team the game.
I have a great deal of respect for Donovan McNabb. Love the way he's handled the way the T.O. controversy. Believe he's one of the three best quarterbacks in the game. And I would never question McNabb's toughness.
But I wish McNabb had gutted it out and walked off the field after throwing that late interception. You see, McNabb's groin didn't stop him from moonwalking in the end zone after scoring a touchdown. But when Roy Williams scored late, McNabb had to limp to the sideline after kneeling on the field for several seconds. Disappointing.
FYI: Mike McMahon will do fine filling in for McNabb. McMahon is a good athlete and is better than at least seven or eight starting quarterbacks in the league named Frerotte, Orton, Boller, Johnson (Brad), Bollinger, Dilfer, Carr and Pickett.
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Quote from: CanuckBroncofan on November 18, 2005, 11:48:35 AM
What a wimping bytch. If the Eagles had beat Denver and had not imploded against the Cowboys would he be doing this now??? Here's a tidbit from ESPN.
7. There's nothing worse than a player's lying on the field with an injury after making a mistake that cost his team the game.
I have a great deal of respect for Donovan McNabb. Love the way he's handled the way the T.O. controversy. Believe he's one of the three best quarterbacks in the game. And I would never question McNabb's toughness.
But I wish McNabb had gutted it out and walked off the field after throwing that late interception. You see, McNabb's groin didn't stop him from moonwalking in the end zone after scoring a touchdown. But when Roy Williams scored late, McNabb had to limp to the sideline after kneeling on the field for several seconds. Disappointing.
i'm sick of hearing that crap, it's obvious that when Donovan got blocked he aggrivated his groin/sports hernia. Angelhole and his morning mob have been all over Donovan about this all week. We looked great all game, until he got creamed by the LB blocking for Williams' interception return. then he was hurt.
Quote from: CanuckBroncofan on November 18, 2005, 11:48:35 AM
What a wimping bytch. If the Eagles had beat Denver and had not imploded against the Cowboys would he be doing this now??? Here's a tidbit from ESPN.
7. There's nothing worse than a player's lying on the field with an injury after making a mistake that cost his team the game.
I have a great deal of respect for Donovan McNabb. Love the way he's handled the way the T.O. controversy. Believe he's one of the three best quarterbacks in the game. And I would never question McNabb's toughness.
But I wish McNabb had gutted it out and walked off the field after throwing that late interception. You see, McNabb's groin didn't stop him from moonwalking in the end zone after scoring a touchdown. But when Roy Williams scored late, McNabb had to limp to the sideline after kneeling on the field for several seconds. Disappointing.
FYI: Mike McMahon will do fine filling in for McNabb. McMahon is a good athlete and is better than at least seven or eight starting quarterbacks in the league named Frerotte, Orton, Boller, Johnson (Brad), Bollinger, Dilfer, Carr and Pickett.
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Little Bronco Bitch!