How do you think the new starters are doing so far?
Patterson = Simon
Andrews< Mayberry
Lewis> Pinkston
Brown>>> Mitchell
LJ = Chad
Great observations. I do believe Andrews wil get it all together by mid-season and be an absolute beast.
Very impressed with the backups! Reno made me very happy.
LJ is better than Chad so far, Andrews is the same as Mayberry, Lewis is worse than Pink and Reggie is way better than Freddie.
Quote from: Avenger on September 18, 2005, 10:13:09 PM
LJ is better than Chad so far, Andrews is the same as Mayberry, Lewis is worse than Pink and Reggie is way better than Freddie.
Oh my :o
Quote from: Avenger on September 18, 2005, 10:13:09 PM
, Lewis is worse than Pink
Lewis doesn't become invisible like Pink.
Something you disagree with or are you so impressed?
oh and as of right now Patterson is doing more than Simon.
Andrews = Mayberry (This is only temporary until the young guy gets a few games under his belt)
Patterson slightly> Simon (He showed up to camp and is in shape. For that reason alone I give him an edge)
Lewis slightly< Pinkston (I think Lewis is better than Pink but as far as production goes I give the edge to Pink because he's got a higher ypc average.)
Brown slightly< Mitchell (Same as above. Reggie is the real deal though)
LJ > Chad (I hate to say it but Chad could only dream about a game like LJ had today. His blocking has improved too.)
Since it's only been two games I'm not sure I see the point in doing evaluations now, especialy since the games they've played have been polar opposites of each other offensively so it's hard to say this person is doing better than that person might/would have. This is a better topic for week 17.
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 18, 2005, 10:45:27 PM
Hey, look at meeeeeeeee! I'm trying to be logical. Look at meeeeeeee!
Shut up slut! ;)
I've been a Pinky hater for a long time. That being said, Greg had 3 passes thrown deep to him that were broken up; largely because he was the same height as the CB. ToothPink, being considerably taller, could've made a better target.
Start McMullen!
Clarke=>Hicks
Mayberry>Andrews
but I think after 1-2 weeks...then for the rest of the season...Andrews>>Mayberry
On a side note...
Simoneau (the girl) had an AWESOME game!! I slam the lady left and right...but he had a great hit on ST K.O., kicked a farging PAT and even popped Alex Smith. Games like that from him make me happy.
Mrs. Simoneau did indeed have a little fire in her today. Good to see.
Andrews < Mayberry - I love Big Nasty, you guys know that. However he is not as consistent as Jermane was yet (obviously). But I would take Shawn over him now either way because of the potential. And Jermane is breaking down. Shawn has had some injuries but nothing like Mayberry has. I hope his shoulder is OK.
Patterson > Simon - Mike is making plays and he looks like Corey did in his rookie year. Now that Simon has added a Volkswagen to his beltline, I'll take Mike.
Lewis < Pinkston - Yeah I ripped Todd The Vadge. But until Lewis puts up better numbers than Pink, I say Pink is greater. It won't stay like this forever, but I'm just being honest.
Brown > Mitchell - Reggie gets open. Freddie didn't. Reggie plays STs. Freddie didn't. Reggie doesn't point to his Swatch Watch. Freddie did. And so on...
L.J > Chad - Chad was not the starter last year; Smith was.
Spach < Chad - Lewis will be missed as the #2 TE until Spach gets acclimated in the offense and gains 5's trust.
LJ had a fantastic day. Julian Peterson is one of the best cover LBs in the league and couldn't handle him.
Lamar Gordon > Dorsey Levens
Gordon is better than Levens IMO. When I said that a month or so ago everyone on here got on me for making ridiculous comments. How could I possibly want Gordon over Levens?!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 19, 2005, 12:23:41 AM
Spach < Chad
For now. I think Spach has the look of an early Chad, and he could very well flourish. I think he'll get Nabby's trust soon enough.
Gordon threw in some pretty nice blocks in pass protection. Dude's a keeper.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on September 19, 2005, 07:49:10 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 19, 2005, 12:23:41 AM
Spach < Chad
For now. I think Spach has the look of an early Chad, and he could very well flourish. I think he'll get Nabby's trust soon enough.
Spach doesn't seem to have a male pattern baldness problem
McNabb had Lewis wide open once and overthrew him, if he'd had been able to catch it he'd have two TD's instead of just one.
It's too early too really tell anyway, but I'm still saying that by the end of the year, Lewis will have played much better then Pinky would have, all he has to do is not punk out and not drop anything.
I'm on board that Patterson is better than Simon.
Gordon is better than Levens.
LJ is better than Chad...but not yet as consistent.
Hicks is not better than anybody.
Andrews is good, but still not as consistent as Mayberry.
I'll say that Lewis is about equal to Pinkston. I like the constant speed at which Lewis plays, but we miss Pinkston's height on that side.
Brown is better than Mitchell...by a mile.
Oh, and I wish Brown was better versed in the offense, because it would be nice having he and Owens on the edges with Lewis coming in for three wide sets. But that's fantasy at this point.
Fraley w/ donuts >>> Fraley w/o donuts
Greg Lewis already has as many TDs as Pinkston had last year.
Gordon looks good so far. Obviously they're only really asking him to barrel it up the gut so he doesn't do everything that Dorsey did, but his youth and speed make him an upgrade on potential.
Andrews will be a beast.
As the official sponsor of LJ I've got to say, Team Smith is expecting lots of love from you jerks. Oral or otherwise.
Patterson is obviously not a downgrade of any sort at DT.
And Brown is a bazillion times better than Freddie.
i think Patterson has been the best DT on the team in the 1st two games, he is constantly in the backfield blowing up plays.
Watching the replay of Lewis's TD makes me forget all about Pinky. I'll take someone who has the guts to go up in the air between two defenders anyday.
That was one hell of a catch!
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 19, 2005, 09:59:43 AM
i think Patterson has been the best DT on the team in the 1st two games, he is constantly in the backfield blowing up plays.
Team Patterson thanks you for you complimentary (but completely deserved) evaluation, and promises that the best is yet to come for Mike Patterson.
Glewis is better than Pinky. Even if he doesn't have the stats right now, he has the heart and the ability to be a way better WR than pinky. See ya Todd.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2005, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 18, 2005, 10:45:27 PM
Hey, look at meeeeeeeee! I'm trying to be logical. Look at meeeeeeee!
Shut up slut! ;)
That's not what you said last night. :-X
Yeah, that kind of loses some of the effect so long after the original post.... :-\
Josh Parry had few nice receptions and decent blocking.
I have only one thing to say about the new guys: All hail Mike Patterson. Clearly, the Eagles FO hit a home run with this guy.
Definitely.
Team Patterson would also like to congratulate Greg Lewis, who caught lasers from McNabb with ease. With Owens and L.J. going off, Lewis won't get the publicity, but he played great.
Sun Mo, I've got to disagree....although Patterson has been playing hard and is in there in alot or most plays....I see Darwin Walker stand out that much more. On the sack yesterday (yes, its only the depleted Niner's line)...but his penetration(insert rjs's mom jokes here) and his intensity were good to see coming from that veteran. I feel he's been the best DT by far this short thing we call a season.
Quote from: hbionic on September 19, 2005, 02:55:52 PM
Sun Mo, I've got to disagree....although Patterson has been playing hard and is in there in alot or most plays....I see Darwin Walker stand out that much more. On the sack yesterday (yes, its only the depleted Niner's line)...but his penetration(insert rjs's mom jokes here) and his intensity were good to see coming from that veteran. I feel he's been the best DT by far this short thing we call a season.
it's good to disagree, it's what makes America great....
oh yeah, your mom.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 19, 2005, 02:56:34 PM
it's good to disagree, it's what makes America great....
What makes america great is people who slap people, who use the phrase that's what makes America great.
Quote from: JailBird-man on September 19, 2005, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 19, 2005, 02:56:34 PM
it's good to disagree, it's what makes America great....
What makes america great is people who slap people, who use the phrase that's what makes America great.
actually, what makes america great is people who kick in the shins people who slap people who use the phras that's what makes America great.
To this point I've heard different people claim that Hollis, Patterson and Walker have all been the 'best' DT on the field. Not a bad problem to have.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 19, 2005, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: hbionic on September 19, 2005, 02:55:52 PM
Sun Mo, I've got to disagree....although Patterson has been playing hard and is in there in alot or most plays....I see Darwin Walker stand out that much more. On the sack yesterday (yes, its only the depleted Niner's line)...but his penetration(insert rjs's mom jokes here) and his intensity were good to see coming from that veteran. I feel he's been the best DT by far this short thing we call a season.
it's good to disagree, it's what makes America great....
Sorry man, I think you misunderstood.......I meant to say that my opinion is more right than yours.
and oh yeah, my mom...she's got a great ass! :drool
They could all be a little better though. I mean, they're good and all, but not one of them is Corey Simon.
Quote from: hbionic on September 19, 2005, 03:06:59 PM
Sorry man, I think you misunderstood.......I meant to say that my opinion is more right than yours.
and oh yeah, my mom...she's got a great ass! :drool
no, i got it, i just thought it was cute that you think you are right
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 19, 2005, 03:11:07 PMno, i got it, i just thought it was cute that you think you are right
Now that's cute!
Quote from: rjs246 on September 19, 2005, 03:05:32 PM
To this point I've heard different people claim that Hollis, Patterson and Walker have all been the 'best' DT on the field. Not a bad problem to have.
Point tooken. But I gotta spray, Patterson is the one who's making the "motherfarger" impression. He's tackling angry, knocking people down, farging shtein up, every time I watch him. As the rook, that's great to see.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 19, 2005, 03:15:12 PM
Point tooken. But I gotta spray, Patterson is the one who's making the "motherfarger" impression. He's tackling angry, knocking people down, farging shtein up, every time I watch him. As the rook, that's great to see.
He's definitely kicking ass in Madden '06 :yay
Quote from: General_Failure on September 19, 2005, 03:07:04 PM
They could all be a little better though. I mean, they're good and all, but not one of them is Corey Simon.
No, it would take at least two of them to make up Corey Simon, I saw the pic PG posted.
I love the way Patterson plays, he's one nasty s.o.b. Walker is playing great also, but Patterson is a beast.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 19, 2005, 08:26:23 AM
I'm on board that Patterson is better than Simon.
Gordon is better than Levens.
LJ is better than Chad...but not yet as consistent.
Hicks is not better than anybody.
Andrews is good, but still not as consistent as Mayberry.
I'll say that Lewis is about equal to Pinkston. I like the constant speed at which Lewis plays, but we miss Pinkston's height on that side.
Brown is better than Mitchell...by a mile.
HOW LONG
did it take Mayberry to be consistent? I don't think it was until Reid took over and possibly not until 2000.
Andrews = Mayberry (This is only temporary until the young guy gets a few games under his belt)
Patterson slightly> Simon (He showed up to camp and is in shape. For that reason alone I give him an edge)
Lewis slightly< Pinkston (I think Lewis is better than Pink but as far as production goes I give the edge to Pink because he's got a higher ypc average.)
Brown slightly< Mitchell (Same as above. Reggie is the real deal though)
LJ > Chad (I hate to say it but Chad could only dream about a game like LJ had today. His blocking has improved too.)
i would mostly agree with this but pinky is much better than lewis
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2005, 09:09:03 AM
Andrews = Mayberry (This is only temporary until the young guy gets a few games under his belt)
Patterson slightly> Simon (He showed up to camp and is in shape. For that reason alone I give him an edge)
Lewis slightly< Pinkston (I think Lewis is better than Pink but as far as production goes I give the edge to Pink because he's got a higher ypc average.)
Brown slightly< Mitchell (Same as above. Reggie is the real deal though)
LJ > Chad (I hate to say it but Chad could only dream about a game like LJ had today. His blocking has improved too.)
i would mostly agree with this but pinky is much better than lewis
Pinky has never been
much better than Lewis. Theres gonna' come a time were you will have to admit your wrong.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 20, 2005, 09:01:41 AM
HOW LONG did it take Mayberry to be consistent? I don't think it was until Reid took over and possibly not until 2000.
Well, Mayberry moved around quite a bit at first until he found his niche...so, it took some time. But he's been very consistent over the last 4-5 years or so. And I mean consistent during the course of a game, not the course of a career. I expect Andrews to be better than Mayberry was...but right now Andrews is a bit more inconsistent.
Pinky had more ypc but was allergic to the endzone. Lewis already has as many TDs this year as Pinky did all of last year. His height is a disadvantage, his ability and willingness to go over the middle is an advantage. Honestly, I think it's a wash.
Pinky has never been much better than Lewis. Theres gonna' come a time were you will have to admit your wrong
by default he is much better since lewis has never done anything for the most part
come the end of this year perhaps lewis will prove that hes better...but as for now its not even close
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on September 19, 2005, 07:50:24 AM
Gordon threw in some pretty nice blocks in pass protection. Dude's a keeper.
This is the same thing that i noticed more so than his running. He laid some nice blocks for McNabb. May see him more as a FB if he can block like that proficiently, instead of the lazy Parrot
I'd love to see more of Gordon at fullback. He played that quite a bit in St. Louis. If he could pick it up, it would be nice to see him out there at FB, getting short yardage carries at HB. And then activate Moats as another spell guy for Westbrook.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2005, 09:17:00 AM
Pinky has never been much better than Lewis. Theres gonna' come a time were you will have to admit your wrong
by default he is much better since lewis has never done anything for the most part
come the end of this year perhaps lewis will prove that hes better...but as for now its not even close
Lets look at the only way to really compare the two at this time, the post season.
Greg Lewis, 2004 Postseason. 3 games
8 rec., 182 yds., 22.8 avg., 1 TD, 52 Long
Pinky, 2004 Postseason. 3 games
8 rec., 141 yds., 17.6 avg., 0 TD, 40 Long
Pinky, 2003 Postseason. 2 games
7 rec., 95 yds., 13.6 avg., 1 TD, 45 long
It bears noting that all these stats came against Green Bay in the first game and in the Championship game, he had goose eggs across the board.
Pinky, 2002 Postseason. 2 games
8 rec. 99 yds., 12.4 avg., 0 TD, 24 Long
Pinky, 2001 Postseason. 3 games
8 rec. 93 yds., 11.6 avg., 0 TD, 41 Long
Pinky 2000 Postseason
1 rec. 5 yds., 5 avg., 0 TD, 5 Long
Sats inc. has Pinky with 7 drops in '03'
Pinky has never had anywere close to as good a post season as Lewis did in his first year! For all those bogus stats about Pinky catching the ball deep, he comes no were close to Lewis's avg. of 22.8 yds. from last years post season. Lewis already has as many TD catches in one post season as Pinky does in 5. In the two post seasons were the Eagles played three games, Pinky still falls short in every catagorey.
Lewis doesn't choke in the clutch, and will not punk out like Pinky has in the past. IMO, theres no contest as to who is and will be better.
worst comparison ever
youre gonna compare one lewis postseason with pinky stats from 3-4 years ago???...im not even going to get into that debate....mcnabb is ten times the qb now than he was....TO is on the team now...westbrook is a star...ect....there is no comparison
as i said well see how lewis pans out this year...but as it stands right now in this offense id much rather have pinky...
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2005, 10:58:43 AM
worst comparison ever
Bullcrap. You have a better comparison other than to give it to Pinky by default??
Quoteyoure gonna compare one lewis postseason with pinky stats from 3-4 years ago???...im not even going to get into that debate....mcnabb is ten times the qb now than he was....TO is on the team now...westbrook is a star...ect....there is no comparison
Yes I am comparing Lewis to Pinky's stats from 3-4 ago years
up until the here and now! What better way to measure a players worth than by the post season? Your right, there is no comparison. Pinky doesn't hang with Lewis in either year. For Christ sakes, he has one game that
doesn't even show up on the stat sheet! He was shut out in the championship game against Carolina! He might as well have not even been on the field. IMO, Pinky goes the way of the other reciever in that game, if not this year, then definatly next.
Quoteas i said well see how lewis pans out this year...but as it stands right now in this offense id much rather have pinky...
Rather have Pinky for what, 'cause he's taller?? What good does that do when he's too scared to go up and get the ball in traffic? Tell me one thing other than the bogus stat of his yardage per catch does Pinky do better than Lewis? Pinky
cannot play in the slot. He's not gonna' make the tough catch and take the hit. And did you not see the stat from '03' with his 7 drops?
Pinky had his best year in '02' when he had 60 catches for 798 yds, the year before he signed his contract, and has gone steadily downhill ever since. He's made some plays, I ain't denying that, but for every play he's made, he's blown just as many. Reid has kept him on because there was no one any better to put in his place. That has changed.
Please, anybody, if you think I'm wrong here, call me out. I'm far from above being proved wrong, I just don't think IGY has done it yet.
With McCants coming in and Wilbur learning how to catch, I don't see how Pinky is even on the team next year.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 20, 2005, 05:49:09 PM
With McCants coming in and Wilbur learning how to catch, I don't see how Pinky is even on the team next year.
And we pray.
Andy will cut Reggie Brown before he cuts Pink.
Andy will cut Pinkston before he cuts Reggie Brown.
Andy will cut Reggie Brown before he cuts Pink.
Andy will trade Thrash and cut Hugh before he cuts Pinkston.
Andy will cut Pinkston before he cuts Reggie Brown.
Andy will cut a fart.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 20, 2005, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 20, 2005, 05:49:09 PM
With McCants coming in and Wilbur learning how to catch, I don't see how Pinky is even on the team next year.
And we pray.
........and pray some more........
Pinkston will cut Andy Reid before he cuts Reggie Brown.
Quote from: sallad selgae on September 20, 2005, 06:00:16 PM
Andy will cut a fart.
.......and if Pinky's anywere near Andy's butt when he does, he goes out quicker than Ried could cut him.
How about now?
Patterson > you
Team patterson had to be proud yesterday he fargin awesome.
Quote from: stillupfront on September 18, 2005, 10:01:22 PM
How do you think the new starters are doing so far?
Patterson = Simon
Andrews< Mayberry
Lewis> Pinkston
Brown>>> Mitchell
LJ = Chad
Patterson is playing out of his mind. Better than Simon so far, no doubt.
Andrews has been pretty steady, but not as dominant as I was hoping.
I still think that Lewis is better than Pinkston, but different. Doesn't stretch the field as much.
Brown has disappeared. Right now he's totally a non-factor.
LJ is better than Chad... if he manages to consistantly perform. He's having a hell of a first half.
It's not a shocker that rjs' analysis is a lot better than stillupfront's.
And yes, Team Patterson is very proud, just not surprised.