Maybe it was just me, but did anyone see any players on the offense have any fire under em? McNabb was forcing his smiles and complaining about something every now and then, but he was never really looking fired up. TO was about as low key as I can remember seeing him. Westbrook never showed any type of emotion good or bad. Nothing from any Olineman that I saw either. Somebody pretend to care.
Maybe the curb'd their enthusiasm. :)
but yeah...O did look a little, 'going through the motions'.
They seemed very unconcerned all of them, as though it was all well in hand. And it wasn't. On the one hand I was encouraged by that, on the other, they farging lost the game that the defense had fought so hard to keep close.
At this point, it's just the first game. I'm not going to get too wound up over it. But yeah, there weren't any fire in the offense.
We can blow out teams on a night when the passing game is clicking, then everyone is all smiles and happy, but when we get stopped we need a PWR running game. Maybe we could come out of the I-Formation a little bit, work the TEs. We didn't dictate to Atl, we reacted. Maybe that is what AR is talking about in postgame conf. We have too much talent for this lets take what the D gives us Shtein, lets do what we want and dare the D to stop us. The guys aren't into it because they weren't successful and their not exactly all pals.
Quote from: MURP on September 14, 2005, 10:28:20 AM
Maybe it was just me, but did anyone see any players on the offense have any fire under em?
I had that exact thought when I saw the team wandering half-heartedly up to the LOS in the 4th quarter. When is the last time this team had a 4th quarter come from behind win? I wonder if they have it in them any more...
QuoteMcNabb was forcing his smiles...
Be careful - when IGY said that exact thing, it earned a ::) from PG...
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McNabb was forcing his smiles and complaining about something every now and then
this is exactly what i said and got pounded for it...how do you do it??
anyway i totally agree and this goes straight to the heart of the TO mcnabb feud...at this point ALL the people involved are being selfish aholes...and it needs to stop...as for the coach andy needs to take his cheessteak IV out for a minute go over get in someones grill piece and dead this shtein...NOW
I think the offense might have felt a little too much pressure to just go out and perform because of the whole "TO saga." It was their first game real game and it was on MNF so you know the whole world was watching.
I honestly think that we'll see these guys not only on the same page this week and beyond, but I think we'll see a much more relaxed offense that's having fun
Westbrook cracked a few smiles, but you're right. It seemed like they were just kind of "going through the motions". I'm also thinking it was a week one fluke and they'll get back to pounding defenses this weekend. McNabb's smiling may have been forced because his natural reaction to his chest bruise is to wince. Who knows?
Quote from: Cerevant on September 14, 2005, 10:38:44 AM
Be careful - when IGY said that exact thing, it earned a ::) from PG...
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Um, really? Where?
The 4th quarter when they would get into 3rd down sitations the O just kind moped around and then would call a time out. Very lazy looking from Reid on down to all the players on Offense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2005, 10:40:39 AM
McNabb was forcing his smiles and complaining about something every now and then
this is exactly what i said and got pounded for it...how do you do it??
magic crystals I bought at the dollar store.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 14, 2005, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on September 14, 2005, 10:38:44 AM
Be careful - when IGY said that exact thing, it earned a ::) from PG...
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Um, really? Where?
All you have to do is search all posts by PG for ::) . Have fun weeding through an infinity worth of pages.
Not the point. I am being accused of something I didn't do.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2005, 10:40:39 AM
McNabb was forcing his smiles and complaining about something every now and then
this is exactly what i said and got pounded for it...how do you do it??
anyway i totally agree and this goes straight to the heart of the TO mcnabb feud...at this point ALL the people involved are being selfish aholes...and it needs to stop...as for the coach andy needs to take his cheessteak IV out for a minute go over get in someones grill piece and dead this shtein...NOW
I agree.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 14, 2005, 10:44:44 AM
Not the point. I am being accused of something I didn't do.
The State drops all charges against PG, case dismissed.
JailBird-Man, your little line under your avatar can be read completely wrong. You may want to re-word that. :-D
QuoteI like Coach Reid's package... for me
Quote from: Mad-Lad on September 14, 2005, 10:50:17 AM
JailBird-Man, your little line under your avatar can be read completely wrong. You may want to re-word that. :-D
QuoteI like Coach Reid's package... for me
I think that's the point.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 14, 2005, 10:44:44 AM
Not the point. I am being accused of something I didn't do.
It was the one armed man!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 14, 2005, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on September 14, 2005, 10:38:44 AM
Be careful - when IGY said that exact thing, it earned a ::) from PG...
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Um, really? Where?
Ok, my mistake - you didn't actually roll out the ::) - who could have guessed.
Instead you took his comment about pouting and made it sound like he blamed him for losing the game (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16377.msg313495#msg313495). IGY was actually defending McNabb...funny, that.
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yippee, glad you care so much about what I say. I pointed out my reasons behind why i didn't think McNabb deserved ALL OF THE BLAME.
Tell me again what was wrong with that? I never mentioned the smiling thing. Not once. So, your entire post before was bullshtein.
Your apology is accepted.
Can't you just FEEL the love?
I love drugs.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 14, 2005, 10:55:14 AM
yippee, glad you care so much about what I say.
No, not really.
QuoteI pointed out my reasons behind why i didn't think McNabb deserved ALL OF THE BLAME.
Tell me again what was wrong with that?
IGY's post did not blame McNabb for losing the game. He said he had a bad game, and that if it wasn't because of the injury, he should be ashamed of himself.
QuoteI never mentioned the smiling thing. Not once. So, your entire post before was bullshtein.
Yeah, silly me to remember your attack being directed at the actual quoted post. I'll try to be more careful next time.
QuoteYour apology is accepted.
My pleasure.
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I love 74/26 offensive balance.
Love it.
Well, since I never even had a chance to actually respond to the question posed on this thread (other than someone else speaking for me), I'll say that I do agree that the entire offense looked like shtein. From the oline to QB. No excitement.
I don't know why or what changed, but someone had better light a fire under their asses.
Tra and Runyan come to mind. Get those mean mother fargers going.
And Reid better quit with the garbage play calling. Like I said in another thread, it was the Patriots game from 2003 all over again.
Westbrook showed as much emotion as he ever does, which is basically enough to spike the ball after a touchdown. The rest of the offense, not even that much. If not for Dawkins I'd doubt that the defense would have shown any, either.
I thought Darth, Walker, Michael Lewis, Mike Patterson and Keith Adams were all fired up.
Quote from: MURP on September 14, 2005, 11:47:02 AM
I thought Darth, Walker, Michael Lewis, Mike Patterson and Keith Adams were all fired up.
I thought Darth and Patterson...and now that you mention it...Walker as well (he had a nice game).
I think the team really missed Trotter out there, more than I'd admit. The whole team...not just the D.
Lewis got fired up after some calls from the refs he didn't like. Adams you expect to be fired up, but it didn't translate into anything worth remembering.
lewis is a maniacal beast...the day they resign him (if they do) is the day i get my first non throwback eagle jersey
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2005, 11:55:05 AM
lewis is a maniacal beast...the day they resign him (if they do) is the day i get my first non throwback eagle jersey
I DID think the late hit on him (on Vick) was gay....especially after the no call on the hit on McNabb.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 14, 2005, 11:56:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2005, 11:55:05 AM
lewis is a maniacal beast...the day they resign him (if they do) is the day i get my first non throwback eagle jersey
I DID think the late hit on him (on Vick) was gay....especially after the no call on the hit on McNabb.
The late hit call on Vick by Lewis was horrible. Vick could have cut it up inside where Lewis would have had to hit him to knock him out, if he doesn't hit him Vick could have gone all the way. Lewis can't predict which way Vick is going to go (this was probably the fifth time in his career he went out of bounds instead of purposefully taking a hit).
against bledsoe i could live with the call...but for god sakes its michael vick the best running qb ever
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2005, 12:02:47 PM
against bledsoe i could live with the call...but for god sakes its michael vick the best rb ever
Fixed, but he's no Vaugn Hebron.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2005, 12:02:47 PM
against bledsoe i could live with the call...but for god sakes its michael vick the best running qb ever
I guess the "protect the QB" factor only applies for the QBs that the media loves to suck off (Vick, Favre, etc).
farg McNabb.
Nothing in the game happened to McNabb that warranted a flag.
Quote from: Cerevant on September 14, 2005, 10:38:44 AM
When is the last time this team had a 4th quarter come from behind win?
To answer my own question:
in the last two years, including playoffs, excluding games that didn't count (last 2 wks of 2004, last week of 2003):
Eagles are undefeated when leading at the half (22-0)
3-5 when trailing at halftime
4-5 when trailing after the 3rd Q (extra win coming from Westbrook return against the Giants)
Eh - not as dramatic as I thought, but they aren't exactly the comeback kids...
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Quote from: Tomahawk on September 14, 2005, 12:08:42 PM
Nothing in the game happened to McNabb that warranted a flag.
From the NFL Rulebook:
Quote15 Yards
1. Chop block.
2. Clipping below the waist.
3. Fair catch interference.
4. Illegal crackback block by offense.
5. Piling on.
6. Roughing the kicker.
7. Roughing the passer.
8. Twisting, turning, or pulling an opponent by the facemask.
9. Unnecessary roughness.
10. Unsportsmanlike conduct.
11. Delay of game at start of either half.
12. Illegal low block.
13. A tackler using his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent.
14. Any player who uses the top of his helmet unnecessarily.
15. A punter, placekicker, or holder who simulates being roughed by a defensive player.
16. Leaping.
17. Leverage.
18. Any player who removes his helmet after a play while on the field.
19. Taunting.
The player CLEARLY lowered the top of his head into McNabb's chest. Similar to the way Dawkins did to Hilliard that drew a $50K fine.
you forgot to embolden 'leaping'
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 14, 2005, 12:08:42 PM
Nothing in the game happened to McNabb that warranted a flag.
If the hit that bruised McNabb's chest wasn't spearing, I don't know what is.
Chad Lavalais likes to butt-farg Derek Smith.
I'm just saying what I heard.
Honestly, 3 illegal formation penalties? And thats just what I remember, I guess there could have been more. Who does that? Andy is just being complicated for the sake of being complicated.
#15 has never been called, I think.
If it was Darwin Walker who put that hit on Vick , people would be defending it as a clean it. go figure.
I'd be happy as hell that Vick was done for the season. We wouldn't have to hear about what a great QB he is for a little while.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 14, 2005, 10:44:44 AM
Not the point. I am being accused of something I didn't do.
whatever, waco kid. ::) ::)
i think it's real tough for the o-line to get fired up when they're backpedaling all game long instead of runblocking.
Quote from: mhunt on September 14, 2005, 12:50:11 PM
i think it's real tough for the o-line to get fired up when they're backpedaling all game long instead of runblocking.
Runyan, for one, would definitely agree with you.
Quote from: MURP on September 14, 2005, 12:43:51 PM
If it was Darwin Walker who put that hit on Vick , people would be defending it as a clean it. go figure.
Dawkins thought it was borderline, but he also said he's a defensive player AND a McNabb supporter. Hard to gauge.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 14, 2005, 12:08:42 PM
Nothing in the game happened to McNabb that warranted a flag.
McNabb was horse collared while going out of bounds. I forget who on the Falcons it was, but he was grabbed from behind by the back of the collar.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 14, 2005, 01:25:13 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 14, 2005, 12:08:42 PM
Nothing in the game happened to McNabb that warranted a flag.
McNabb was horse collared while going out of bounds. I forget who on the Falcons it was, but he was grabbed from behind by the back of the collar.
I forgot about that. Apparently, a horsecollar is legal as long as the defensive player hits his target elsewhere first. ???
It's really because of TO whether you choose to believe it or deny it like fattie and the boyz. In the 25 years i've followed the Niners never has there been 1 guy that could divide a lockerroom and cause so much internal turmoil that it actually showed on the field.
We denied it too.....said the same things to the press, etc, etc
People said that before he came Truck, and I didn't countenance it. Now I know better. I don't know that TO is the reason the entire offense looked disinterested, but I'm sure he's not helping.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 14, 2005, 03:15:07 PM
People said that before he came Truck, and I didn't countenance it. Now I know better. I don't know that TO is the reason the entire offense looked disinterested, but I'm sure he's not helping.
FWIW, McNabb needs to give him a good beating and take control of HIS team....im sure that would fire up the offense in a hurry
Quote from: MURP on September 14, 2005, 10:28:20 AM
Maybe it was just me, but did anyone see any players on the offense have any fire under em? McNabb was forcing his smiles and complaining about something every now and then, but he was never really looking fired up. TO was about as low key as I can remember seeing him. Westbrook never showed any type of emotion good or bad. Nothing from any Olineman that I saw either. Somebody pretend to care.
I noticed that too. It disappointed me.
mcnabb doesnt have it in him to do something like that
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2005, 03:26:53 PM
mcnabb doesnt have it in him to do something like that
Youre right, Mcnabb is a class guy.
On the other hand, so was/is Steve Young. That's why I was shocked in 94 when he went off on Seifert for taking him out of that game you guys killed us like 40-8. Everybody was shocked...that wasnt something Steve Young was known to do...
Point is, we went on a rampage after that beating the cowbitches twice on the way to the superbowl
just some food for thought
Youre right, Mcnabb is a class guy
it has nothing to do with class...and everything to do with him being milquetoast
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2005, 03:38:09 PM
Youre right, Mcnabb is a class guy
it has nothing to do with class...and everything to do with him being milquetoast
:-D
By the way, did anybody see Koy and McNabb talking to one of the younger receivers on the sidelines? It wasn't a friendly chat.
I didn't see that and I haven't heard anything about it. Who was it? When was it?
It was Lewis or Brown. It was during the game.
... seriously, do I look like a detail-oriented person to you?
Your poker skills are finely tuned at the very least.
By the way, I got fired from that job for not knowing anything about poker.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 14, 2005, 04:46:52 PM
It was Lewis or Brown. It was during the game.
... seriously, do I look like a detail-oriented person to you?
I know one time it was Lewis. I wouldn't be amazed if he did the same to Brown whom refused to line up correctly.
Excellent. Mission accomplished.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 14, 2005, 11:56:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2005, 11:55:05 AM
lewis is a maniacal beast...the day they resign him (if they do) is the day i get my first non throwback eagle jersey
I DID think the late hit on him (on Vick) was gay....especially after the no call on the hit on McNabb.
I wonder if Rodney Harrison did it if there would be a call. Rodney is ALWAYS hitting people late and out of bounds and hardly ever gets called. I think he's the most heaviest fined (is that a sentence) player in the NFL since like...2000 or something.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 14, 2005, 04:50:09 PM
By the way, I got fired from that job for not knowing anything about poker.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 10, 2005, 11:33:10 PM
each card is available in a different suit.
the suits are: pink hearts, orange stars, yellow moons, green clovers, blue diamonds and purple horseshoes.
also, if you're caught cheating, Al Pacino and Joe Pesci will break your hands or kill you.
that's a good start. good luck.
Sorry bout that GF. I was just messin' around. I didn't think you'd lose your dream job.
rodney treats hits like offensive lineman do holding...he gets so many that it forces the ref to only call a few of them otherwise there would be a penalty on every one of his tackles
I think a lot of the problem is the playcalling and the amount of time it was taking to get plays to the huddle. They seemed frustrated to me.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 14, 2005, 05:58:34 PMthe amount of time it was taking to get plays to the huddle.
Why DOES it take them so farging long? I'd like to see a no huddle offense once in a while, just to throw the D off and get some practice in. It's like they've got nothing better to do than use every available second. :boom
Quote from: Diomedes on September 14, 2005, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 14, 2005, 05:58:34 PMthe amount of time it was taking to get plays to the huddle.
Why DOES it take them so farging long? I'd like to see a no huddle offense once in a while, just to throw the D off and get some practice in. It's like they've got nothing better to do than use every available second. :boom
Good point. Aside from the fact that the Colts have a great offense, the thing I'm most impressed with is how fast they get the play in. Manning usually has a shteinload of time to audible out or see what the D is doing. Granted McNabb doesn't audible a lot but still....
Quote from: Diomedes on September 14, 2005, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 14, 2005, 05:58:34 PMthe amount of time it was taking to get plays to the huddle.
Why DOES it take them so farging long? I'd like to see a no huddle offense once in a while, just to throw the D off and get some practice in. It's like they've got nothing better to do than use every available second. :boom
Chinese telephone. Reid calls the play to Morningwood. Morningwood relays it up to the booth. The booth relays it to McNabb.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 14, 2005, 06:07:57 PM
Good point. Aside from the fact that the Colts have a great offense, the thing I'm most impressed with is how fast they get the play in. Manning usually has a shteinload of time to audible out or see what the D is doing. Granted McNabb doesn't audible a lot but still....
No shtein. Peyton pisses me off up there, acting like some kind of traffic cop, but what's worse is that he's got time to do it.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 14, 2005, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 14, 2005, 05:58:34 PMthe amount of time it was taking to get plays to the huddle.
Why DOES it take them so farging long? I'd like to see a no huddle offense once in a while, just to throw the D off and get some practice in. It's like they've got nothing better to do than use every available second. :boom
The thing is McNabb kept motioning to them to speed it up.
I also noticed the blase attitude of the offense. fargin frustrating.
because Andy Reid looks over all 45,000 plays on his chart before telling McNabb to throw it to Owens just one more time.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2005, 10:40:39 AM
McNabb was forcing his smiles and complaining about something every now and then
this is exactly what i said and got pounded for it...how do you do it??
It makes no sense to me whoever says it, but what do I know. He was forcing his smiles ::) but wasn't speared and didn't look like he was hurt while throwing the ball everywere except to his receivers. ???
I'll say this though, if there was any player who looked lackadaisical to me, it was TO, especially when he did almost nothing while the ball was intercepted right in front of him. He had the most inspired 100 plus yard game I've ever seen.
I feel the loyalty here but cut the cancer now and heal up...team's not getting younger...dont be suckered into fool's gold
The team gets younger every year. Stop talking out of your ass.
Quote from: TRUCK RATHMAN on September 15, 2005, 03:22:46 AM
I feel the loyalty here but cut the cancer now and heal up...team's not getting younger...dont be suckered into fool's gold
Truck, seriously...you're not as bad as your other compadres, but enough with the cancer stuff. He didn't do anything wrong.
THE WHOLE TEAM PLAYED AS UNINSPIRED AS HE DID. He didn't CAUSE them to. He didn't BRING THEM DOWN. It was just a lazy effort by Westbrook, the oline....everyone.
Truck Rathman likes the meatcicle. hbionic told me.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 15, 2005, 07:43:46 AM
Quote from: TRUCK RATHMAN on September 15, 2005, 03:22:46 AM
I feel the loyalty here but cut the cancer now and heal up...team's not getting younger...dont be suckered into fool's gold
Truck, seriously...you're not as bad as your other compadres, but enough with the cancer stuff. He didn't do anything wrong.
THE WHOLE TEAM PLAYED AS UNINSPIRED AS HE DID. He didn't CAUSE them to. He didn't BRING THEM DOWN. It was just a lazy effort by Westbrook, the oline....everyone.
Fair enough, I'll stop. Sorry to those I pissed off.