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QuoteSources have told The Times that there are negotiations going on to reward kicker David Akers, who still has three years remaining on his current contract, with a new deal. Gerald Colton, hired as Akers' agent this past offseason, has been in contact with the team's front office since training camp began at Lehigh on Aug. 1.
The Eagles are back in contact with Colton on what could lead to a new deal for the three-time Pro Bowl kicker. The Eagles do not comment on current contract negotiations.
QuoteAkers is in the fifth year of a seven-year deal he signed on Aug, 21, 2001, and will earn just over $1 million, thanks to an escalator clause that kicked in from his making multiple Pro Bowls. His base salary this season is $1.025 million. He is scheduled to earn $1.175 million in 2006 and $1.325 million in 2007.
According to salary numbers acquired by The Times, Akers' salary ranks in the middle of the league when compared to other kickers. Houston gave Kris Brown a new deal this offseason that totaled $8 million over five years, an average of $1.6 million per year, while the Giants gave Jay Feeley a two-year, $2.2 million deal.
QuoteNew England placed the franchise tag on Vinatieri last February and he signed a one-year tender for $2.5 million in April. Akers is looking for that kind of average per year in his new deal
Pay the man...before Rosenhaus gets ahold of him.
Here's a guy who has "out-performed his contract...good move by the Eagles, if they can lock him up. Kickers can play a long, long time in the NFL, and it's nice to have one as money as Akers.
im usually anti front office...but theres no way you pay a kicker big money..let him play out his final two years and then move on
Why not wait until after this season to extend him? With 2006 and 2007 already under contract, why pay him now?
Giving Akers some financial security and recognizing him as a top kicker in the league is okay with me. It's not like he's going to be a real drain on the cap, regardless.
As far as "why pay him now"...I'm quite sure it would be a PR move for the benefit of the locker room and the media. Get a little of that TO/Hollis/Simon/Westbrook bitter taste out of the mouth....
i realize their positions and salary slots are different...but they are insane if they sign akers with two years left on a decent deal before they sign westbrook...who is ridiculously underpaid and far more valuable...
Quote from: Zanshin on August 23, 2005, 08:22:35 AMAs far as "why pay him now"...I'm quite sure it would be a PR move for the benefit of the locker room and the media. Get a little of that TO/Hollis/Simon/Westbrook bitter taste out of the mouth....
If that's the case, it would be a shrewd move. Not least because, even if Akers gets what he wants (average 2.5M per year), it would be an inexpensive (and hence dubious?) way of demonstrating that the team rewards players who play well by their rules.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 08:26:57 AM
i realize their positions and salary slots are different...but they are insane if they sign akers with two years left on a decent deal before they sign westbrook...who is ridiculously underpaid and far more valuable...
It's so apples to oranges that you can't make that stick. It's not like they can sign one or the other. Akers can get done while they work on Westbrook. Akers won't impact that negotiation in the slightest.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 23, 2005, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on August 23, 2005, 08:22:35 AMAs far as "why pay him now"...I'm quite sure it would be a PR move for the benefit of the locker room and the media. Get a little of that TO/Hollis/Simon/Westbrook bitter taste out of the mouth....
If that's the case, it would be a shrewd move. Not least because, even if Akers gets what he wants (average 2.5M per year), it would be an inexpensive (and hence dubious?) way of demonstrating that the team rewards players who play well by their rules.
Exxxxactly...and that thinking has Eagles FO written all over it.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 23, 2005, 08:30:16 AMAkers won't impact that negotiation in the slightest.
If they give Akers a 5 year deal that averages 2.5M, it won't impact what the team can do with Westbrook? How do you see that? There's only so much money to go around.
It's so apples to oranges that you can't make that stick. It's not like they can sign one or the other. Akers can get done while they work on Westbrook. Akers won't impact that negotiation in the slightest.
i suppose you missed the part where i said i realize they play different positions and have different salary levels...regardless..to say it will have no impact financially is wrong...but more than that it would impact the lockeroom as its mere appearance would be more than puzzling...problem is the front office could care less what any player thinks...so i highly doubt that would prevent them from doing it
The Eagles aren't in the most dire of cap circumstances. You know that the Akers deal will give him some nice upfront money, but will be backloaded to look like a better deal than it is.
Next year (at the latest) Simon comes off the books, and that will be more meaningful than anything a kicker gets. So, if the Eagles think they have the room this year, they can frontload the meaningful part of the deal so that Akers could conceivably have an even lower cap number next year.
There are a ton of ways to do it...but there's no way anything they realistically do for Akers will have a detrimental effect on the FO keeping guys they feel they have to hold on to.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 08:39:24 AM
It's so apples to oranges that you can't make that stick. It's not like they can sign one or the other. Akers can get done while they work on Westbrook. Akers won't impact that negotiation in the slightest.
i suppose you missed the part where i said i realize they play different positions and have different salary levels...regardless..to say it will have no impact financially is wrong...but more than that it would impact the lockeroom as its mere appearance would be more than puzzling...problem is the front office could care less what any player thinks...so i highly doubt that would prevent them from doing it
Nope, I didn't miss it...but you said that then went on to compare it anyway. As far as the rest of the post, I was sort of hoping for coherent English. I got the last part about the Eagles not caring what any player things...but I'm not sure that's a fair assessment.
I see the Eagles giving Akers about $1 mil more per season (on average) having very little impact on their ability to extend Westbrook and maybe Michael Lewis within the next two months. They are still $10 mil+ under the cap for this season. I think some folks undervalue a money kicker.
I still feel confident that Westbrook will have an extension done by the end of September or sooner.
Akers is a player. He's clutch and consistent and actually contributes tackles to the STs. Pay the man.
Nope, I didn't miss it...but you said that then went on to compare it anyway
in no way did i ever financially compare the two
as for the other part...how do you think it wil look in the lockeroom if they redo a kicker with two years left on his deal but cant do the same for the best WR in the league...arguably the teams most important player...and a very good defensive tackle...
now im not blaming the FO for all of those players not getting done...just pointing out how signing akers may not go over to well...
Im sure Banner can get a deal done that wont hurt the teams cap.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 23, 2005, 08:39:25 AM
The Eagles aren't in the most dire of cap circumstances. You know that the Akers deal will give him some nice upfront money, but will be backloaded to look like a better deal than it is.
Next year (at the latest) Simon comes off the books, and that will be more meaningful than anything a kicker gets. So, if the Eagles think they have the room this year, they can frontload the meaningful part of the deal so that Akers could conceivably have an even lower cap number next year.
There are a ton of ways to do it...but there's no way anything they realistically do for Akers will have a detrimental effect on the FO keeping guys they feel they have to hold on to.
Akers does deserve to be a top 5 paid kicker and wont even really impact the cap since most of his current money is salary. So to give him maybe a 4-5 mil signing bonus and small salary over 5 years. Westbrook will be taken care of before next season im sure, the Eagles are assuming now that Simon will be gone. The Eagles also need to work on Mike Lewis. Next year I think the Eagles will look to fill the DT position with more depth thru the draft. I think the biggest thing for the Eagles right now is that they need a bull dozer RB to pick up those short situations.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 08:53:18 AM
in no way did i ever financially compare the two
as for the other part...how do you think it wil look in the lockeroom if they redo a kicker with two years left on his deal but cant do the same for the best WR in the league...arguably the teams most important player...and a very good defensive tackle...
now im not blaming the FO for all of those players not getting done...just pointing out how signing akers may not go over to well...
Of course you did. You linked the negotiations between Westbrook and Akers, and they're totally unrelated. Even the market value comparisions for each position are in very different states.
And I don't hear a lot of players clammoring about the Eagles not extending Owens one year into his seven year deal...even they, in everything I've read, thought that to be ridiculous. And which DT do you mean, Simon? You think the other players are pulling for him to get a $16-17 Mil signing bonus? That's money out of their pockets...not to mention that the Eagles would be retarded to give a moderately above average player a deal that far out of alignment with market value. Think, man.
Of course you did. You linked the negotiations between Westbrook and Akers, and they're totally unrelated. Even the market value comparisions for each position are in very different states.
ummm no i didnt...i said to say akers has no impact financially is wrong...but that was never my point and i never compared the two in that way...i was strictly talking about how it would look if akers were redone but not TO...westbrook...simon
And I don't hear a lot of players clammoring about the Eagles not extending Owens one year into his seven year deal...even they, in everything I've read, thought that to be ridiculous. And which DT do you mean, Simon? You think the other players are pulling for him to get a $16-17 Mil signing bonus? That's money out of their pockets...not to mention that the Eagles would be retarded to give a moderately above average player a deal that far out of alignment with market value. Think, man.
you are looking at it in terms of each individual player...and youre looking at it as a pro front office fan...i can assure you the players will look at it in terms of the big picture...and they will look at it much differently as they dont side with the front office...
as for the players opinion towards TO...im pretty sure most of them believe he should get more money but that he went about it in a moronic way...that said let the eagles redo their kicker and youll see their attitudes change...anywhere from puzzlement to outrage
now if they redo westbrook and akers then i think it becomes a non issue...but i also think redoing akers gives westbrook more ground to stick to his number...a number that right now is higher than the eagles wanna pay
imo it would be a bad move to redo akers...let him play out his two years and see what happens then
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 08:53:18 AM
as for the other part...how do you think it wil look in the lockeroom if they redo a kicker with two years left on his deal but cant do the same for the best WR in the league...arguably the teams most important player...and a very good defensive tackle...
One is a player in the top 2 of his position, who is in year 5 of a 7 year deal & being paid like he's in the top 20.
The other is a player in the top 3 of his position, who is in year 2 of a 7-yr deal & is being paid in the top 3.
There's no comparison of the situations & highly doubt that team mates would be concerned about him getting a raise, which in comparison to the other positions is insignificant.
rework AKers
get rid of simon
rework westbrook
goodnight
Quote from: mussa on August 23, 2005, 09:38:39 AM
rework AKers
get rid of simon
rework westbrook
goodnight
Extend Lewis
yea that too :yay
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 09:34:46 AM
[...i can assure you the players will look at it in terms of the big picture...and they will look at it much differently as they dont side with the front office...
Oh, well if yoooouu assure me, you must be right. You're psychic ability to mindmeld with Eagles players is renowned.
And arguably the best kicker in the game-- and in the history of the Eagles-- getting a deal in line with the best at his position should have zero impact on Westbrook trying to get a better deal than similar players at his position. That Dom. Davis deal should be the benchmark for Westy's slot.
It Has NOTHING TO DO WITH AKERS.
One is a player in the top 2 of his position, who is in year 5 of a 7 year deal & being paid like he's in the top 20.
The other is a player in the top 3 of his position, who is in year 2 of a 7-yr deal & is being paid in the top 3.
There's no comparison of the situations & highly doubt that team mates would be concerned about him getting a raise, which in comparison to the other positions is insignificant.
youre getting way to geeky about this...players dont go on internet message boards and discuss who is making what...what year of their contract they are in ...whos in the top 6 of their position...joe banner is god...andy please have my baby blah blah blah...WE do that
all they will see is the kicker getting done while the stud WR RB and DT dont
ill say it again and this will be the last thing i say...DONT do akers...hes a kicker making over a million a year with two years left on his contract...thanks but no thanks..we will check back with you in 07 dave
Ice Doofus. Akers isn't asking for more than clear market value-- and if he was, he wouldn't get done either. And where is this stud DT you keep talking about? I know you can't possibly mean Simon.
i told you im done kid
you lose
Quitters never win. Didn't your momma teach you anything?
two people who will never agree talking around in circles on an internet message board never win
Near as I can tell, you're the only one buying into your version of reality.
and the germans bought into hitlers version of reality
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 10:04:40 AM
and the germans bought into hitlers version of reality
This is definitely the exact same thing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 09:44:43 AM
youre getting way to geeky about this...players dont go on internet message boards and discuss who is making what...what year of their contract they are in ...whos in the top 6 of their position...joe banner is god...andy please have my baby blah blah blah...WE do that
all they will see is the kicker getting done while the stud WR RB and DT dont
ill say it again and this will be the last thing i say...DONT do akers...hes a kicker making over a million a year with two years left on his contract...thanks but no thanks..we will check back with you in 07 dave
The fact we're even discussing this on a message board makes us both kind of "geeky". :P
I don't think the players need MB's to understand that these are 2 dissimilar situations for 2 very valuable players. They'll get Westbrook done & they players know that Simon is not part of the long term plan with the team.
I think you're overestimating the impact of the Akers deal.
personally, i don't think negotiations need to be exclusive to one player. who's to say that Banner isn't talking to Westbrook's people and Akers' people during this same time period.
According to Westbrook, they ARE working on it (he talked about it during the game on Saturday night)
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 10:04:40 AM
and the germans bought into hitlers version of reality
"The German's made the Jews wear flair..."
Quote from: Zanshin on August 23, 2005, 10:43:39 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 10:04:40 AM
and the germans bought into hitlers version of reality
"The German's made the Jews wear flair..."
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 10:33:05 AM
According to Westbrook, they ARE working on it (he talked about it during the game on Saturday night)
Gary Pappa got in trouble for asking him that :-D
QuoteQuote from: mussa on Today at 08:38:39 AM
rework AKers
get rid of simon
rework westbrook
goodnight
Extend Lewis- PG
A-Phreakin-men That should sum up the entire post. :cfhead
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2005, 08:53:18 AM
Nope, I didn't miss it...but you said that then went on to compare it anyway
in no way did i ever financially compare the two
as for the other part...how do you think it wil look in the lockeroom if they redo a kicker with two years left on his deal but cant do the same for the best WR in the league...arguably the teams most important player...and a very good defensive tackle...
now im not blaming the FO for all of those players not getting done...just pointing out how signing akers may not go over to well...
Let's compare apples to oranges for a minute
Akers = great consistent player who accounts for alot of points in every game, is a team guy and has not caused a media circus
TO = great, selfish WR who has intentionally created a major distraction because he is unhappy with the 6 years remaining of a 7 year deal HE HIMSELF signed.
I think this sends a VERY LOUD message to TO. Perhaps, if he would have just played and worked hard and said and done the right thing, HE TOO could be on the receiving end of a new deal.
Fargin' morons thinking 1.5 mil is going to keep the Eagles from signing Westbrook and then comparing it to TO's situation. You guys get smarter every day.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 23, 2005, 02:56:39 PM
Fargin' morons thinking 1.5 mil is going to keep the Eagles from signing Westbrook and then comparing it to TO's situation. You guys get smarter every day.
:yay
R.I.F
From The Inky:
QuoteEagles Notes | Akers is underpaid, his agent declares
David Akers is happy to be an Eagle, but that does not necessarily mean he is happy with his contract.
While Akers is one of the top kickers in the NFL, the veteran is not one of the highest paid. His agent said yesterday that while he has had conversations with the Eagles, there are no active talks going on.
Jerrold Colton said that he knows the Eagles stand firm on refusing to renegotiate contracts. At the same time, he said, Akers' contract does not reflect his value to the team.
"It certainly underpays him, without a question," Colton said. "We hope the Eagles correct that."
Akers, a three-time Pro Bowler, is in the fifth year of a seven-year deal he signed in 2001. His salary this season is $1.025 million, which is less than half of the one-year tender worth more than $2.5 million that Patriots kicker Adam Vinatieri signed.
Akers is set to earn $1.175 million next season and $1.325 million in 2007.
Colton said he hopes something can be ironed out before the deal expires, whether that is a new contract or re-signing Akers for more money.
Akers hired Colton in the off-season. The agent is based in Voorhees, Camden County.
When it comes to contract struggles, the Eagles already have their hands full with receiver Terrell Owens, running back Brian Westbrook and unsigned defensive tackle Corey Simon - all of whom are demanding more money.
Akers ranks first in Eagles history with 139 field goals (out of 167 attempts). He is second with 616 points and third with 199 PATs. He went 27 of 32 last season and scored an NFC-high 122 points.
Akers ranks second in NFL history with an 83.2 career field-goal percentage, behind Mike Vanderjagt's 87 percent. Vanderjagt will be paid $1.8 million this year by the Colts.
"I'm appreciative to be in the NFL," Akers said. "Obviously, do you want to be at a market value? Most definitely.
"I realize [the Eagles] have a business, too," Akers said. "I may not be in the long-term plan. Who knows? I can't take that personally. I want to be here as long as I can."
Give the man his money before he karate chops your wangs!
IGY, your comments in this thread are quite possibly the dumbest I have read on this MB. Ever.
IF they rework Akers deal, they will do it because he deserves it and he is SEVERELY underpaid. They will also do it because Akers didn't go out into his driveway and do sit-ups and make a big fuss about it. He is in the 5th year of a 7 year deal. Not the 2nd.
Trust me, Westbrook isn't going to see Akers get a new deal and say "oh farg, they must really not want me now..". If ANY player has anything to say about it, it will be TO, and that's because he's a cry baby about everything.
And I agree with you that Corey Simon IS a stud DT who is underrated by everyone on here. However, he does NOT deserve the money he is asking for. At all.
Stop acting stupid. You're smarter then that.
I hope.
This notion that Simon is a stud DT is ridiculous.
If you let yourself get out of shape so that you are only effective for half a year and only in a situation where the DTs are rotating constantly, you are not a stud.
If he was dedicated. If he was in shape. If he gave a rat's ass. THEN he would be a stud. But as is, he is just another gifted athlete with his head crammed up his ass who will never live up to his potential because he's lazy and feels that his talent entitles him tens of millions of dollars while the rest of the league is out actually trying to earn their paychecks.
farg him.
See my post in the Simon thread.
And also, we'll see if he comes in shape this year or not. Last year he couldn't run because of the foot injury, so he was out of shape AND out of game shape....I think he comes in this year in shape, and it'll take 2-3 weeks for him to get into GAME shape, with all the hitting and what not.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 10:36:30 AM
If he was dedicated. If he was in shape. If he gave a rat's ass. THEN he would be a stud. But as is, he is just another gifted athlete with his head crammed up his ass who will never live up to his potential because he's lazy and feels that his talent entitles him tens of millions of dollars while the rest of the league is out actually trying to earn their paychecks.
farg him.
EXACTLY.
simon is a very good/great DT who other than last year because he was hurt has never been out of shape in his entire life...the notion that hes some kind lazy ass eating machine that doesnt care about being ready to play is something that internet kids say on eagle message boards because they dont like that he wants more money...im not saying his contract demands arent over the top...because i dont know what they are exactly...but as for the other stuff its simply not true
simon is by far the eagles best DT and one of the better ones in the nfl...period
This 'great' tackle has averaged 5 sacks per year, only has one season where he registered more than 5 sacks, came up tiny in the superbowl, has never stood up very well against the run, was horribly out of shape last year and is skipping camp this year.
Sounds great to me.
OK my stats were wrong there. He's averaged 6 sacks per year. Had over six 3 times. But never surpassed or even came close to his rookie output.
Anyway, sack numbers and my own hastiness aside, my point is still the same. He's a good pass-rushing DT who does nothing against the run and didn't play big when we needed him the most.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 11:03:30 AM
came up tiny in the superbowl
so did Jevon Kearse, Jeremiah Trotter, and Brian Dawkins...
Still one of the highest sack totals for a DT since he entered teh league (see my post int he Simon thread), and the highest in team history for his first 5 years I believe it is.
He's not an exceptional run stopper, but he's no hack either....and like I said, he has to fight through the double team EVERY play. Teams gameplan to stop him.
teams gameplan to stop Kearse and plan around Dawkins. I dont see them gameplanning around Simon.
Before Kearse came last year, the team's O-line always gameplanned on how to stop Simon. He was and still is double teamed 90% of the time he's on the field. Even while Hugh was here, Simon was the one who ate the majority of the double teams (minus his first year, where he saw more one-on-one)
Quote from: SimonPinkston9087 on August 24, 2005, 11:38:27 AM
He was and still is double teamed 90% of the time he's on the field.
where do you get that number?
Quote from: MURP on August 24, 2005, 11:44:10 AMwhere do you get that number?
Straight from his ass.
Why, do you figure less? I know you watch every eagles game just like I do. And I know you see Simon fighting with a guard and center almost every pass play. I think the only times I ever see him one on one with anyone is when the Eagles blitz up the middle.
No player is double-teamed 90% of the time.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 11:49:36 AM
No player is double-teamed 90% of the time.
hbionic's mom notwithstanding.
I'm hard pressed to spot 2-3 plays a game when he's in that he's not getting double teamed.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 11:49:36 AM
No player is double-teamed 90% of the time.
you don't think Jevon Kearse is?
So let me get this straight. One of you is claiming that Kearse gets doubled 90% of the time and the other is claiming that Simon gets doubled 90% of the time. If that were the case we would have a sack or a tackle behind the line of scrimmage on EVERY SINGLE PLAY that the two of them took part in because 4 people would be committed to blocking two and someone else would get through.
In othere words, you guys are farging idiots.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 11:58:40 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 11:49:36 AM
No player is double-teamed 90% of the time.
you don't think Jevon Kearse is?
So let me get this straight. Both Jevon Kearse and Corey Simon are double teamed 90% of the time?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 12:10:50 PM
So let me get this straight. One of you is claiming that Kearse gets doubled 90% of the time and the other is claiming that Simon gets doubled 90% of the time. If that were the case we would have a sack or a tackle behind the line of scrimmage on EVERY SINGLE PLAY that the two of them took part in because 4 people would be committed to blocking two and someone else would get through.
In othere words, you guys are farging idiots.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 12:10:50 PM
So let me get this straight. One of you is claiming that Kearse gets doubled 90% of the time and the other is claiming that Simon gets doubled 90% of the time. If that were the case we would have a sack or a tackle behind the line of scrimmage on EVERY SINGLE PLAY that the two of them took part in because 4 people would be committed to blocking two and someone else would get through.
In othere words, you guys are farging idiots.
yeah, because running backs and tight ends never stay into block...
and forget 90%, let's just settle on the majority of the plays
I'm done with this conversation. You're an idiot.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:13:29 PMyeah, because running backs and tight ends never stay into block...
And RB staying in to chip at a charging DE is not a double team. What the hell is wrong with you?
Yeah, right. Every team we face keeps a TE and RB in to block on every passing down, so they can double Kearse and Simon. Not buying it. And I'd be willing to bet Kearse gets doubled way more than Simon, the fat slob.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 24, 2005, 12:14:53 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:13:29 PMyeah, because running backs and tight ends never stay into block...
And RB staying in to chip at a charging DE is not a double team. What the hell is wrong with you?
a tight end and a tackle blocking a DE is a double team, dummy.
you geniuses are right, nobody gets double teamed, Simon sucks.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 12:14:19 PM
I'm done with this conversation. You're an idiot.
i'm an idiot? you're just wrong. sorry
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:18:06 PM
you geniuses are right, nobody gets double teamed, Simon sucks.
'Bout fargin time.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 12:19:40 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:18:06 PM
you geniuses are right, nobody gets double teamed, Simon sucks.
'Bout fargin time.
yup, no use arguing with someone who is misinformed.
bottom line:
hollis thomas a nice rotation guy but not much more..gets love on message boards...because he is towing the company line...even tho hes much fatter and not nearly as good as simon who is a borderline probowler but is holding out
I ask again...what can you put out there to prove how Simon is boarderline probowler?
And Hollis doesn't toe the company line-- he was in a contract squabble earlier in the year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2005, 12:22:52 PM
bottom line:
hollis thomas a nice rotation guy but not much more..gets love on message boards...because he is towing the company line...even tho hes much fatter and not nearly as good as simon who is a borderline probowler but is holding out
Excuse freakin me, a nice rotation guy? As team Hollis gets ready for the season, and laughs at Mr. Simon's holdout, we wish to remind you of a certin play in the NFC championship game last year when Team Hollis stopped Vick cold in his tracks on the six yard line. The blazing speed of Team Hollis at that time was like nothing seen before, the almighty Vick wasn ot even fast enought to escape the pain brought on by Team Hollis.
I ask again...what can you put out there to prove how Simon is boarderline probowler?
simon made the pro bowl two years ago...i definitely dont think hes a lock for it every year...however i do think he can make any year...which is why he is a borderline pro bowler
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2005, 01:29:20 PM
I ask again...what can you put out there to prove how Simon is boarderline probowler?
simon made the pro bowl two years ago...i definitely dont think hes a lock for it every year...however i do think he can make any year...which is why he is a borderline pro bowler
He only made it as a reserve....meaning someone had to go down for him to make it. And that was what, 1 out of 5 years?
He only made it as a reserve....meaning someone had to go down for him to make it. And that was what, 1 out of 5 years?
half the pro bowl roster falls under that category each year
anyway if you want to get into semantics ill say he would have made it his rookie year but rookies are held to a different standard
and he would have made it last year had he not hurt his foot
all im saying is hes way better than all the internet haters would like you to believe
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2005, 01:39:29 PM
He only made it as a reserve....meaning someone had to go down for him to make it. And that was what, 1 out of 5 years?
half the pro bowl roster falls under that category each year
anyway if you want to get into semantics ill say he would have made it his rookie year but rookies are held to a different standard
and he would have made it last year had he not hurt his foot
all im saying is hes way better than all the internet haters would like you to believe
This seems to be a common thread, esp since the new village idiot jumped on me saying I was glad that Perry now gets a shot at RB when Buck went down. Can we just all agree that everyone has different opinions about the players on the team? I was a big Corey Simon fan his first 2 years or so. Then he went and got a big head and he comes across as being lazy. Whether he is or not is debatable and none of us really know....all we know for sure is what we see on Sunday. And on Sunday, I hope whoever is wearing that Eagle helmet dominates and makes plays...regardless if it's Simon, TO, Mahe, Perry, Trotter, Labinjo, Spach, Koy....it doesn't matter. Game day is the only thing that matters. Everything else is just 'fluff' to get your primed for the big game.
I hope everyone on the Eagles gets a new contract that far exceeds whatever they're worth so we can all shut the farg up about this idiotic nonsense once and for all and start talking football again.
:boom
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 24, 2005, 02:13:15 PM
I hope everyone on the Eagles gets a new contract that far exceeds whatever they're worth so we can all shut the farg up about this idiotic nonsense once and for all and start talking football again.
:boom
And then we can be like the taterskins. ;D
We'd need crappier players and coaches for that.
Bring back Rich Kotite!
Not that crappy.