Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Diomedes]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/12/07/four-died-shootout-with-police-after-ups-truck-was-hijacked-could-it-have-been-avoided/

I'm not ready to shtein all over the cops here.  I don't blame family of the victim; they are allowed to grieve however they need and even to blame others without evidence...that's why we don't put them on juries, etc.  Everyone else however needs to check their takes and hold out for actual evidence.

I wish the article made some mention of the fact that we are awash in guns, and only human, which means they're gonna be used, and no matter how much you study and read and train, open warfare in crowded places is inevitable when its easier to get a gun than a job.

[General_Failure]

For a speeder, cops are supposed to de-escalate, drop back and let the helicopter follow them until they can safely stop the car. Two guys with a gun and a hostage? Time to go all Mad Max, maybe use some cars as shields while you shoot up the place.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Yeah I totally fault the cops on this one.

Even if they're on a dead end street and not in rush hour traffic you don't go popping rounds off.

[Diomedes]

So you just let active shooters carry on?

I mean...truck is stopped, people everywhere, hostage inside truck...and what do you do?  Back off?  How do you get other motorists to safety or protect them? 

I'm sorry but so far as I can tell, cops are in a lose lose situation when they're facing shooters in public.

[PhillyPhreak54]

They weren't active shooters at that point though right? Just robbers with a hostage. If the cops lay back and track via air the situation isn't escalated.

[Diomedes]

As far as I'm concerned, once they start shooting in the jewelry store, they're active shooters.  Do you think because they stopped shooting when they fled the store that their wanted level went down like in GTA?

I don't know what they were at what time.  I've read three news articles from immediately after the event and I've seen some confusing video.  When the facts are known, after lengthy and expensive investigation, we can answer those questions better. 

If the cops lay back and while tracking the UPS driver and/or other bystanders gets murdered, their kin might just as well complain that coward cops wouldn't confront and take out the shooter.

I'm not letting off the point that this is a natural result, a perfectly predictable result, of wide proliferation of extremely deadly weaponry among human beings.    Give lots of people, including cops, guns, and this is what you get.

[Tomahawk]

all great points hawk

mostly trump is to incompetent to do anything truly hideous

Trump has done plenty of hideous shtein; the point is that doesn't make him unique.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Literal moron

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1203413873396609024 21

[Rome]

Perfect subject to fixate on for a piece of shtein. 

[PhillyPhreak54]

I guess all those hamberders make him drop 10–15 flushers while he's tweeting and calling into fox and friends

[General_Failure]

https://twitter.com/haymarketbooks/status/1203377797550526466

[MDS]

interesting study about fox news viewing habits

https://morningconsult.com/2019/12/08/fox-news-upper-hand-next-year-the-countrys-eyeballs-down-to-districts/

fox's most watched congressional district among republicans? that would be the old pa-2, which was north philly/montco mainly. 90/10 dem district. so those 10% REALLY like hannity.

[Geowhizzer]

interesting study about fox news viewing habits

https://morningconsult.com/2019/12/08/fox-news-upper-hand-next-year-the-countrys-eyeballs-down-to-districts/

fox's most watched congressional district among republicans? that would be the old pa-2, which was north philly/montco mainly. 90/10 dem district. so those 10% REALLY like hannity.

Mine's in there - FL-25, #8 on Fox's most watched list.  I'm at the far western end of it. 

EDIT:  My district doesn't look overly gerrymandered, but there is about 100 miles of By Cypress National Preserve, Seminole and Miccosukee Reservations, and Everglades between my end and the bulk of the population of the district in Broward County.  Probably doesn't matter, since both ends are solidly Republican.

[Munson]

Hearings have been a shteinshow today as well.

This was my favorite moment:
https://twitter.com/jbview/status/1204151261567864832

[General_Failure]

I'm tired of these Ivory Tower east coast libruls not embracing clean coal.