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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2017, 11:45:28 PM »

the giants but yes

its utterly absurd how little the nfl players make relative to the pro sports industry considering the revenue they generate
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2017, 12:05:25 AM »

It's absurd how much any entertainer makes, and worse that his owner makes more
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2017, 12:21:55 AM »

Owners should make more.  I give 0 fargs what an athlete or entertainer makes so long as it's a respectable percentage of overall revenue, which I think they mostly are. 

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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2017, 03:28:12 AM »

NFL revenue is double the NBA, but the rosters are 4x larger. The % of revenue going to players isn't too different.

Negotiating a better CBA could nudge the numbers a little, and they could change some of the rules and how evenly money is distributed among players, but fundamentally the roster size vs revenue will always dominate.

The English Premier League pays over 70% of its revenue to players, and that league doesn't even have collective bargaining at all. The lack of a salary cap also means zero parity and the same six teams are at the top almost every year, for decades. So it all depends on how you want to set up your sport.
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2017, 08:19:26 AM »

nfl should set a number whatever it would be where if the value of your contract exceeds that number then the whole thing is guaranteed....the problem in the nfl isnt large rosters the problem is that the top half or quarter or whatever you want to say of players who deserve more money dont get it...people like antonio brown shouldnt be punished because theres a thousand bryan bramans in the league
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2017, 04:11:52 PM »

I don't understand why they don't have some sort of guaranteed contract system in place to protect players and teams from serious/career ending injuries.  The injury thing is primarily why contracts aren't guaranteed, which makes sense in the NFL given the significantly elevated risk of serious injury in comparison to most other sports.  But why not just have some sort of injury clause that guarantees a player ALL of the money in his contract, but the team has 5 or 10 or 20 years or whatever to pay any remaining balance off should a player suffer a career ending injury.  And that money doesn't count against the cap.  Team is making small(er) annual payments and still honoring the contract, player still has a little money coming in on an annual basis for a little bit after his career ends.   

Also, maybe hold teams a little more accountable for the contracts that they're signing players to.  It's a given when players sign contracts that are bonus heavy up front and salary heavy on the back that those final years are likely to be voided by cutting the player.  So why not make the team liable for say 50% of the remaining money owed if they cut a player?  But to balance that out, if the player is able to sign a new contract that is equal to the 50% of the previous deal, then the original team can be off the hook.  If it's less than 50%, then they still owe the difference.  At least this way it would possibly reduce these fake and inflated contracts. 

There's gotta be a million different options out there that would make more sense than the system they currently have in place.  And that's pretty much the only problem I have with NFL contracts....that they aren't guaranteed. 
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2017, 05:52:30 PM »

NFL players could easily get guaranteed contracts. Wouldn't even have to be in the CBA, free agents directly could negotiate for it. Certainly the high end free agents at least would find teams willing to bite. Of course, they would be biting for many millions of dollars less, which is why it's not occurring now.

In the CBA you could work out some system like you suggest that would give teams more flexibility under the cap and drive up the value of guaranteed contracts some. It would still be a lot less than the typical non-guaranteed contract though. Potential money is cheaper than real money.

Another thing to consider is that NFL players already have the shortest careers of the big four sports, and those careers are going to get even shorter when a player has the flexibility to collect his full contract if he gets spooked by CTE after his first concussion. We see a lot of guys retiring in their 20s now even when they know they are leaving big money on the table. I have no problem with athletes making the best decisions for themselves and their families, but more money going to guys who aren't playing will reduce the money going to guys who are currently playing.

Every system is going to have unintended consequences. The owners care primarily about the overall nut, and to a lesser extent about the competitive balance of the league. It's really up to the NFLPA and individual players how they want that negotiated % of compensation to be structured.
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2017, 08:23:48 PM »

Revis will be released

Jairus Byrd too
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2017, 08:33:20 PM »

I don't see an owner or GM agreeing to a guaranteed contract with any player just because the first owner to guarantee a contract is probably going to the least popular among the rest of the owners. 

As for a player getting spooked by CTE and trying to collect full contract value by walking away, I'm pretty sure the league already has a tenured system in place that applies to retirement and I'm sure it could be tweaked a bit here and there.  Like if you're a rook and get your bell rung and don't want to play any more because you're concerned about long term health, that's fine, but there could be a tiered level pay out based on years in the league.  It doesn't have to be a flat rate like I suggested.  This way you can hopefully avoid or at least significantly reduce the likelihood of someone signing a nice size rookie contract and then bailing after 1 year, or even signing a fat deal on their first trip to free agency and doing the same with only 3 or 4 years in the league. 

Injury plays a role for why careers only last an average of 3-4 years, but the main reason is talent/ability.  Legit stud players have their careers cut short due to injury, but most of the typical 3 year washouts were fringe/special teams guys 1 year who got replaced the next and couldn't catch on anywhere else. 
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2017, 03:16:00 PM »

Here's one for Dio. A guard on the Chiefs is in medical school. And he's Québécois also.

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Two days after signing a contract extension with the Kansas City Chiefs worth $41 million, guard Laurent Duvernay-Tardif was back in his hometown of Montreal tending to his other passion: medicine.

Duvernay-Tardif was making his rounds visiting geriatric patients at an area hospital Thursday as part of his medical school curriculum at Montreal’s McGill University.

“The cutoff is usually 65 and older and we’re kind of the specialist in geriatric syndromes: delirium, dementia, really frail people and polypharmacy [the effects of taking multiple medications for differing health problems]," Duvernay-Tardif said in a conference call with reporters who cover the Chiefs. “So we’re giving a consult from either emergency or from the wards about patients that have one of those conditions. Our job is to assess them and make recommendations and then to follow them up.’’
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2017, 05:08:03 PM »

I'm all for education, but it's apparently been wasted on this Canuck.  If he wanted to address old people with dementia and delirium, he need look no further than his pass-addled head coach, or if he's interested in polypharmacy, the coaches farg up son, who has a nice cushy job because dad feels guilty about ignoring him all those years he was busy choking away games that matter.
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2017, 06:05:43 PM »

It's good he's studying these dementia issues since most of his team will have the brains of drooling 95 year-olds by the time they are 50.
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2017, 06:11:42 PM »

By god, Andy's going to have his Canadian lineman with only a passing interest in football one way or another.
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Re: Around the NFL - 2017
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2017, 11:46:31 PM »

Brandon Marshall released

Eric Decker also expected to be cut when he passes his physical
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