Most of this info is acquired via ge99 and #1Eaglesfan1973 from the EMB. If you find any bits and pieces on what players the Birds are scouting post 'em up...
The defensive players are listed a couple of posts down. I ran out of room in this psot and exceeded the 10,000 characters setting...
Position Breakdown
Quarterback
DJ Shockley - Georgia (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/djshockley.html)
Michael Robinson - Penn State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/michaelrobinson.html)
Marcus Vick - Virginia Tech (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/marcusvick.html)
Reggie McNeal - Texas A&M (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/reggiemcneal.html)
Bruce Gradkowski - Toledo (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/brucegradkowski.html)
Paul Pinegar - Fresno State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/paulpinegar.html)
Tarvaris Jackson - Alabama State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/tarvarisjackson.html)
Bruce Eugene - Grambling (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/bruceeugene.html)
Kellen Clemens - Oregon (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/kellenclemens.html)
Brett Basanez - Northwestern (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/brettbasanez.html)
Quinton Porter - Boston College (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/quintonporter.html)
Jeff Mroz - Yale (http://yalebulldogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mroz_jeff00.html)
Running Backs
Mike Bell - Arizona (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/mikebell.html)
Jerome Harrison - Washington State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/jeromeharrison.html)
Joseph Addai - LSU (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/josephaddai.html)
Leon Washington - Florida State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/leonwashington.html)
Taurean Henderson - Texas Tech (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/taureanhenderson.html)
Andre Hall - South Florida (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/andrehall.html)
Maurice Drew - UCLA (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/mauricedrew.html)
Wali Lundy - Virginia (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/walilundy.html)
Cornell Brockington - UConn (http://uconnhuskies.com/sports/MFootball/2006/Bios/brockington.html)
Quinton Ganther - Utah (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/quintonganther.html)
Full Backs
Garrett Mills - Tulsa (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/fb/garrettmills.html)
Gilbert Harris - Arizona (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/fb/gilbertharris.html)
Anthony Carfagno - East Stroudsberg (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=55345)
Jason Davis - Illinois (http://fightingillini.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/davis_jason00.html)
Wide Receiver
Brandon Williams - Wisconsin (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/brandonwilliams.html)
Jonathan Orr - Wisconsin (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/jonathanorr.html)
David Andreson - Colorado State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/davidanderson.html)
Hank Baskett - New Mexico (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/hankbaskett.html)
Jason Avant - Michigan (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/jasonavant.html)
Marques Colston - Hofstra (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/marquescolston.html)
Maurice Stovall - Notre Dame (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/mauricestovall.html)
Miles Austin - Monmouth (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/milesaustin.html)
Ben Obomanu - Auburn (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/benobomanu.html)
Anthony Mix - Auburn (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/anthonymix.html)
Jeff Webb - San Diego State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/jeffwebb.html)
Travis Wilson - Oklahoma (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/traviswilson.html)
Greg Jennings - Western Michigan (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/gregjennings.html)
Todd Watkins - BYU (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/toddwatkins.html)
Mike Haas - Oregon State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/mikehass.html)
Chad Jackson - Florida (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/chadjackson.html)
Sinorice Moss - Miami (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/sinoricemoss.html)
Andy Fantuz - Western Ontario (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=57998)
Andre Ralston - Eastern Kentucky (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=114690)
Devin Aromashodu - Auburn (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/devinaromashodu.html)
Jeremy Bloom - Colorado (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/jeremybloom.html)
Brent Little - Southern Illinois (http://siusalukis.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/little_brent00.html)
Tight Ends
Leonard Pope - Georgia (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/leonardpope.html)
Jeff King - Virginia Tech (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/jeffking.html)
David Thomas - Texas (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/davidthomas.html)
Tim Day - Oregon (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/timday.html)
Tony Scheffler - Western Michigan (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/tonyscheffler.html)
Joe Klopfenstein - Colorado (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/joeklopfenstein.html)
Daniel Fells - Cal Davis (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/danielfells.html)
Offensive Line
Josh Martin (OT) - Duquesne (http://goduquesne.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/martin_josh00.html)
Eric Winston (OT) - Miami (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/ericwinston.html)
Max Jean-Gilles (OG) - Georgia (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/maxjeangilles.html)
Marcus McNeill (OT) - Auburn (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/marcusmcneill.html)
Nick Mangold [C] - Ohio State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/nickmangold.html)
Charles Spencer (OG) - Pittsburgh (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/charlesspencer.html)
Ryan O'Callaghan (OT) - California (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/ryanocallaghan.html)
Jeremy Trueblood (OT) - Boston College (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/jeremytrueblood.html)
Joe Toledo (OT) - Washington (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/joetoledo.html)
Chris Kuper (OG) - North Dakota (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/chriskuper.html)
Isaac Sowells (OT) - Indiana (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/isaacsowells.html)
Mark Setterstrom (OG) - Minnesota (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/marksetterstrom.html)
Kevin Boothe (OG) - Cornell (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/kevinboothe.html)
Jason Spitz (OG) - Louisville (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/jasonspitz.html)
Josh Bourke (OT) - Grand Valley State (http://gvsulakers.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bourke_josh00.html)
Davin Joseph (OG) - Oklahoma (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/davinjoseph.html)
Chris Chester [OG/C] - Oklahoma (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/chrischester.html)
Winston Justice (OT) - USC (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/winstonjustice.html)
Will Allen (OG) - Texas (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/willallen.html)
Willie Colon (OT) - Hofstra (http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/ath_roster_detail.cfm?sport=Football&pid=31FAD3F4-4C80-49DE-B983AC223EA77FCC)
Tony Palmer (OG) - Missouri (http://mutigers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/palmer_tony00.html)
D'Brickashaw Ferguson (OT) - Virginia (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/dbrickashawferguson.html)
Daryn Colledge (OT) - Boise State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/daryncolledge.html)
Taitusi Lutui (OG) - USC (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/taitusilutui.html)
Jahri Evans (OT/OG) - Bloomsberg (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/jahrievans.html)
Steve Franklin - Syracuse [OG/C] (http://www.suathletics.com/roster.asp?playerid=1390&sport=199&roster=168&path=gen)
How many of the Eagles actual picks were mentioned in last year's thread?
I think I remember McCoy was, and I think that was it.
eagles are interested in:
the byu roster
wonderlick valedictorians
and
white linebackers
First question on the exam:
"Spell Wonderlic."
90% fail the first question.
Defensive End
Mark Anderson - Alabama (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/markanderson.html)
Tamba Hali - Penn State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/tambahali.html)
Kamerion Wimberly - Florida State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/kamerionwimbley.html)
Parys Haralson - Tennessee (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/parysharalson.html)
Eric Henderson - Georgia Tech (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/erichenderson.html)
James Wyche - Syracuse (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/jameswyche.html)
Frostee Rucker - USC (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/frosteerucker.html)
Victor Adeyanju - Indiana (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/victoradeyanju.html)
Adam Roberts - Cincinnati (http://ucbearcats.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/roberts_adam00.html)
Jason Hatcher - Grambling (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/jasonhatcher.html)
Dave Tollefson - NW Missouri State
Jeremy Mincey - Florida (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/jeremymincey.html)
Rob Ninkovich - Purdue (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/robninkovich.html)
Brandon Guillory - Louisiana-Monroe (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/brandonguillory.html)
Thomas Carroll - Miami (http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/carroll_thomas00.html)
Kevin Culbert - Frostburg State (http://sports.frostburg.edu/teams/fall/football/playerbios/culbert.htm)
Defensive Tackle
Haloti Ngata - Oregon (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/halotingata.html)
Jesse Mahelona - Tennessee (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/jessemahelona.html)
Tommy Jackson - Auburn (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/tjjackson.html)
Brodrick Bunkley - Florida State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/brodrickbunkley.html)
Jonathan Lewis - Virginia Tech (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/jonathanlewis.html)
Johnny Jolly - Texas A&M (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/johnnyjolly.html)
Gabe Watson - Michigan (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/gabewatson.html)
Kyle Williams - LSU (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/kylewilliams.html)
Barry Cofield - Northwestern (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/barrycofield.html)
Scott Paxson - Penn State (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=12498)
Babatunde Oshinowo - Stanford (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/babatundeoshinowo.html)
LaJuan Ramsey - USC (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/lajuanramsey.html)
Linebacker
Thomas Howard - UTEP (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/thomashoward.html)
Gerris Wilkinson - Georgia Tech (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/gerriswilkinson.html)
Chad Greenway - Iowa (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/chadgreenway.html)
Kevin Simon - Tennessee (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/kevinsimon.html)
DeMeco Ryans - Alabama (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/demecoryans.html)
Rocky McIntosh - Miami (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/rogermcintosh.html)
Brandon Hoyte - Notre Dame (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/brandonhoyte.html)
James Anderson - Virginia Tech (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/jamesanderson.html)
Jon Alston - Stanford (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/jonalston.html)
Paul Szczesny - Indiana/Arizona State (http://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?ID=4780)
Maurice Bennett - Lafayette (http://goleopards.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bennett_maurice00.html)
Bobby Iwuchukwu - Purdue (http://purduesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/iwuchukwu_bobby00.html)
Oliver Hoyte - NC State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/oliverhoyte.html)
Wyatt Gayer - Anderson College
John Busing - Miami (OH) (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/johnbusing.html)
Justin Huggard - VMI (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2005&org=741&player=94)
Fredericc Brock - Texas Southern
Moses Osemwegie - Vanderbilt (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/mosesosemwegie.html)
Cornerback
Kelly Jennings - Miami (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/kellyjennings.html)
David Pittman - Northwestern State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/davidpittman.html)
Tye Hill - Clemson (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/tyehill.html)
Anwar Phillips - Penn State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/anwarphillips.html)
Tim Jennings - Georgia (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/timjennings.html)
Gerrick McPhearson - Maryland (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/gerrickmcphearson.html)
Justin Wyatt - USC (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/justinwyatt.html)
Danieal Manning - Abilene Christian (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/daniealmanning.html)
Antonio Cromartie - Florida State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/antoniocromartie.html)
Alton McCann - West Virginia (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/altonmccann.html)
Demetrie McCray - Albany State (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=55436)
Marcus Wright - Kentucky State
Ashton Youboty - Ohio State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/ashtonyouboty.html)
Dion Byrum - Ohio (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/dionbyrum.html)
Devin Hester - Miami (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/devinhester.html)
Safety
Roman Harper - Alabama (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/romanharper.html)
Charlie Peprah - Alabama (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/charliepeprah.html)
Nate Salley - Ohio State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/natesalley.html)
Dawan Landry - Georgia Tech (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/dawanlandry.html)
Dwayne Slay - Texas Tech (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/dwayneslay.html)
Sam Smith - Delaware State (http://www.gohornets.net/football/2005/06SamSmith.php)
Matt Griebel - New Mexico State
Calvin Lowry (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/calvinlowry.html)
Darnell Bing - USC (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/darnellbing.html)
Jason Allen - Tennessee (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/jasonallen.html)
Nick Turnbull - Florida International (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=22066)
Specialists
Josh Huston (K) - Ohio State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/k/joshhuston.html)
Jonathan Scifres (K) - Misouri State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/k/jonscifres.html)
Thomas Olsted (P) - Troy State (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/p/thomasolmsted.html)
John Torp (P) - Colorado (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/p/johntorp.html)
Ryan Plackemeier (P) - Wake Forest (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/p/ryanplackemeier.html)
Sam Koch (P) - Nebraska (http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=4&SPID=22&DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=68175&Q_SEASON=2005)
I swear someone mentioned Patterson. Than again I swore a lot last year..
QuoteEast-West Shrine Game Report: Day 1 Practice
By Marc Faletti and Sigmund Bloom
The first day of practice at the East-West Shrine Game fills players with anxiety and anticipation. Dozens of NFL scouts crowd around the field studying every cut, every block, every drop, and big bucks can be made or lost on a single play. Few of the new arrivals have ever been on the field with one another, and no one can rely on team chemistry or coaching tricks to mask his shortcomings.
Seeing so many NFL eyes on them for the first time and working with a brand new roster of teammates can be a shock to the players. As such, it provides the rawest exposure to their abilities. This is also the first chance for scouts to get up close and personal, and eyeing which teams talk to which players first might reveal a bit about their draft priorities. All in all, the experience is a draftnik's dream come true.
Stars of the Day
Jonathan Orr, WR, Wisconsin, 6'3", 190lbs.
The stud of practice. Orr caught every ball in every drill, including contact drills in which coaches grabbed, hugged, slapped, and pulled on him and/or the ball. At one point, a coach who couldn't strip him clapped his hands and shouted, "Ooooh! Strong hands on this one, boy!" He faked out the best CB in the Shine Game, Maryland's Gerrick McPherson, with a sick hip swivel, and caught a ball he could've taken to the house. With his size and skills, it's no stretch to consider him a raw version of Chad Johnson. He may wind up in or near the first round now. If you don't believe us, ask the line of scouts waiting to talk to him after the practice.
De'Arrius Howard, RB, Arkansas, 6'0", 236lbs.
Howard couldn't hold onto the starting gig at Arkansas, but we have no idea why. A bull in a china shop with a powerful burst through the hole, Howard broke almost every run into the 2nd and 3rd level of the defense. No other RB performed remotely as well between the tackles. He would've had at least 3 breakaway TDs if they didn't whistle plays dead to save time. A 5th rounder on Howard would be money well spent by an NFL team, and if he's on the board later in your rookie draft, he might pay Dom Davis-like dividends for your fantasy squad.
Brandon Williams, WR, Wisconsin, 5'11", 175lbs.
Who knew Wisconsin was such a WR factory? Maybe they should've opened up the offense some, huh? Of course, if Williams is 5'11", Michael Jackson is all natural. He's closer to Steve Smith size, but that's not the only thing they share. Williams made a number of tough catches, including one on which he got blown up over the middle by Army's Dhyan Tarver. He was by far the most explosive WR during cutting drills, too. He's shifty, quick, and strong for a small guy. We didn't see any reason he can't make a major impact soon in the NFL.
Other Standouts
Bruce Gradkowski, QB, Toledo, 6'2", 222lbs.
He came out firing up his teammates right away, showed nice touch on intermediate routes to TEs, and threw 2 great deep balls maximizing the WR "catching cylinder." Scouts were surprised by his arm strength, which was solid enough to play in the league. The Charlie Frye comparisons aren't unjustified.
Tim Day, TE, Oregon, 6'4", 265lbs.
Looking for a TE sleeper? Look no further. Possibly an early second day pick because of some blocking issues, Day showed soft hands and fluid moves, particularly upfield after the catch.
Dontrell Moore, RB, New Mexico, 5'10", 211lbs.
Moore got back on the field this season less than a year after tearing his ACL, and we saw no signs of injury. In fact, he was running almost every play out to the endzone, as if to show the scouts his endurance isn't an issue. He was slippery and found a few holes on instinct alone.
Leon Washington, RB, Florida State, 5'9", 202lbs.
Washington reported to FSU out of shape this season and didn't make the impact many expected, but he was in perfect NFL shape at the practice. He's a tad small to be an every-down back but has a compact build and super-soft hands. He made a number great catch-and-cuts during 11-on11s. He also made great friends with the other skill players and seems like a great teammate. Figure him to make an impact like Chris Perry for a team lucky enough to steal him in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Mixed Results (Or Worse)
Drew Olsen, QB, UCLA, 6'3", 225lbs.
Apparently some reports showed scouts being pleased with Olsen, but unless he had Manute Bol running routes for him, we were unimpressed. Almost every throw sailed on him, he panicked in the pocket more than once, and he couldn't wait to check down for a 2-yard gain. Maybe we were looking elsewhere on every single one of his decent plays, but we would avoid Olsen like the plague until we see more from him this week.
Tavaris Jackson, QB, Alabama State, 6'3", 221lbs.
We're greatly amused by the idea of Drew Olsen being listed as bigger than Jackson, who was clearly the most imposing QB on the field from a physical standpoint. He was thick with a big arm and a deep cadence – he could play a great QB in a movie. And Jackson made quality throws with a lot of zip to the outside in drills (some almost hit us in the face, so we know). During the game situations, however, he had real accuracy issues and seldom connected with anyone across the line of scrimmage. He also seemed to be taking some basic direction on how to take a snap from center, which might prevent him from seeing an NFL field anytime soon. He has the measurables, though, that's for sure.
Wali Lundy, RB, Virginia, 5'10", 214lbs.
His disappointed at VA and here at the Shrine Game practice, too. Had a good lower body but lacked suddenness of any kind. A lot of people will look for him to be a RB sleeper, but after this practice we'd be looking elsewhere.
Taurean Henderson, RB, Texas Tech, 5'10", 205lbs.
We were both excited to see Henderson against top notch talent, and he showed a lot of shimmy and shake in open space, but he wasn't so hot between the tackles. We see him as a brilliant change of pace back who could see every third down from the moment he's in the league, but we don't see feature potential yet.
NFL Interests – East Team
The Browns might have had the most telling conversation: they spent the entire post-practice time with massive South Carolina OT Jabari Levey, and we think it might have been GM Phil Savage, though we can't confirm that. Another scout spent some time with Tavaris Jackson.
The Chiefs talked to Northwestern QB Brett Basanez even before practice started. They went to short, speedy Western Mich. WR Greg Jennings right after practice.
The Cowboys sprinted right for big, slightly slow WR Marques Colston (more on him from Wednesday's practice).
The Eagles has a scout with Orr and Williams highlighted on his sheet. He spent a lot of time with Brandon Williams after practice. Another scout talked to massive, butt-kicking, trash-talking Auburn NT Tommy Jackson. We think the world of that guy (more Wednesday).
The Ravens spent a lot of time studying the WRs in practice. They talked to Orr for a very long time afterwards. We're guessing they hope he lasts to their 2nd round pick.
The Panthers talked to Basanez and Brandon Williams.
NFL Interests – West Team
The Bears went right for Trent Bray, a solid LB prospect from Oregon State who was overshadowed by Justin London from UCLA.
The Browns also went for another lineman, Texas Tech's EJ Whitley. The Browns ran down a standard checklist of items they were asking him.
The Chargers talked to 6'1" Oregon WR Mike Hass, who displayed a very solid, fundamental game but didn't break out like the Wisconsin guys. They also spent time with Dontrell Moore, who would fit in nicely behind LT.
The Chiefs talked to big ol' Cal OT Aaron Merz right away, though he didn't distinguish himself much in practice.
The Eagles kept their focus on the WRs by talking to Colorado State' David Anderson, who got a little testy with coaches after he dropped a ball "trying it their way" but was pretty productive despite bad QB play from the West squad.
The Jaguars were spotted with tiny-yet-active DE Chris Gocong from Cal Poly. He's barely over 250lbs, but some scouts think he has the moves to rush on 3rd downs.
The Jets were the only team we saw talking to one of the big secrets at the game, DB Danieal Manning from Abilene Christian. Originally a Nebraska guy, we'll talk more about this rising star soon.
The Panthers went right for Joe Toledo, the Washington OT whose injury issues have been a concern but otherwise shows the potential to dominate at the next level. For a team with a thin line, he could be the answer in the 3rd or if he slips to the 4th, which we doubt. They also talked guite a bit to short, stocky Nebraske RB Cory Ross. Ross might be as short as 5'6", but he was low and powerful, kept his legs moving, and caught a few nice passes.
The Patriots made a quick move to talk to the other LB prospect from Oregon State, Keith Ellison. They scurried away quickly, too, maybe hoping no one saw them talking?
The Ravens talked to USC's FB David Kirtman, a great pass-catcher who could have a long NFL career. After that, they moved onto Kirtman's college teammate, DB Justin Wyatt.
QuoteAfterwards scouts wandered onto the field to chat up players, with Cleveland talking to Parys Haralson, the Giants to Thomas Howard, Kansas City with Greg Blue, Philly with Kelly Jennings and Eric Winston, drawing interest from a number of teams. At the end of the day the two guys who helped themselves the most were Jerious Norwood and Spencer Havner, and to stand out on such a talent-laden squad like this is no small thing.
QuoteNFL Scouts Get Busy at Combine
By Denis Savage
TFY Draft Preview
Date: Jan 24, 2006
MOBILE, AL - This sleepy Alabama town started humming over the weekend as NFL executives and draft prospects poured into town. By Monday night, activity had reached a frantic pace as NFL teams looked to take advantage of their prime pre-Combine scouting opportunity.
Scout.com has been tracking the activity of NFL personnel execs as they peer over the available prospects. Their activity can provide some insight into the off-season priorities for their franchises, if not an actual heads-up on their eventual draft picks.
A number of top-level executives took in the North practice on Monday. Among the onlookers were Terry Bradway of the New York Jets, Phil Savage of the Cleveland Browns, and Scott Pioli of the New England Patriots. Also on hand were head coaches Bill Belichick and Sean Payton, newly appointed to the New Orleans Saints.
After practice, executives and scouts pulled aside players for chats and interviews. Here's a listing:
Baltimore Ravens: The Ravens were looking at a number of positions, but emphasized offensive line on Monday. WR Hank Baskett, New Mexico; C Ryan Cook, New Mexico; RB Andre Hall, South Florida; OL Daryn Colledge, Boise State; OL Charles Spencer, Pitt; DB Will Blackmon, Boston College.
Carolina Panthers: TE T.J. Williams, North Carolina State; DT Gabe Watson, Michigan; RB Jerome Harrison, Washington State; LB Abdul Hodge, Iowa.
Cleveland Browns: The Browns spent a lot of time studying DT Broderick Bunkley (Florida State) who would likely be a defensive end in the team's 3-4 scheme. The Browns also spent time with offensive linemen Daryn Colledge and highly-regarded OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson.
Dallas Cowboys: RB Jerios Norwood, Mississippi State
Jacksonville Jaguars: TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
Kansas City Chiefs: WR Anthony Mix, Auburn
Miami Dolphins: LB Spencer Havner, UCLA; OL Ryan Cook, New Mexico
New York Jets: The Jets interest in D'Brickashaw Ferguson was evidenced by Terry Bradway waiting in line to speak to him. Ferguson is a strong possibility to the Jets with their first-round pick. The Jets also talked to defensive backs Cedric Griffen (Texas) and Will Blackmon (Boston College).
San Diego Chargers: The Chargers were very active and spoke with LB D'qwell Jackson, Maryland; TE Dominique Byrd, USC; DL Victor Adeyanju, Indiana; LB Abdul Hodge, Iowa; OT Jon Scott, Texas; WR Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame.
Philadelphia Eagles: The Eagles spent time interviewing WR Hank Baskett, New Mexico, as well as QB D.J. Shockley, Georgia.
Washington taterskins: The taterskins showed their interest in defensive linemen as two different taterskins scouts spoke with DT Gabe Watson and DL Dusty Dvoracek seperately. The taterskins also talked to LB Spencer Havner, UCLA; OT Marcus McNeill, Auburn; RB Jerome Harrison, Washington State.
QuoteHe spent a lot of time with Brandon Williams after practice.
A 5'11" WR prospect?! Be still my beating heart!
never saw David Anderson or Hank Baskett, but Brandon Williams can induce football wood. Phreak did you get a chance to see Auburn/Wisc bowl game? Williams was out of control awesome. He does remind me of a Steve Smith now that the article mentioned it.
isnt williams only like a 3rd or 4th round prospect
Yeah, he surprised me in that game. I hadn't seen much of Wisky all year except for the PSU game and Williams blew it up in the Bowl.
It's a little too early to really guess their plans, but the fact that they are talking to a lot of WRs tells me that they are looking to replace Lewis or McMullen. Pinky and Brown are locks to make it in 2006 and after than who knows.
Unless the dude is utterly dominant, 5'11" 3rd-4th round WR prospects will never induce football wood for me. But I like the idea of drafting a WR in an early, non-first, round.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 24, 2006, 02:24:52 PM
Unless the dude is utterly dominant, 5'11" 3rd-4th round WR prospects will never induce football wood for me. But I like the idea of drafting a WR in an early, non-first, round.
Yup... we need another young WR to groom with Reggie after the "Vet WR band-aid" is taken off in a few years. God forbid we actually have two talented WR's on the roster at one time.
Although I don't trust this regime to identify a quality WR, picking up a diamond in the rough in the 3rd or 4th round would be pretty outstanding.
yeah I didnt mean to sound that Williams was a 1st rounder. Just an exciting player. He is on the smaller side, but he can return punts and kickoffs as well as play WR. Id rather have a possible playmaker who is small (Williams) than a dufus who is big (McMullen).
He returns kicks? Well that actually gives me something to get excited about. Christ the STs were awful this season.
(http://lsj.dreamhosters.com/photoblog/wp-content/Midget-Football1.jpg)>>>mcmullen
found this on an Auburn preview site:
QuoteNT Tommy Jackson -- Teams will see his stocky 6-foot, 308-pound form and wonder if he can play at the next level. Then they'll see his combination of strength, quickness and relentless pursuit and give him a chance. His reputation as a "character" guy will also help his stock.
sounds just like Mike Patterson eh?
As the official sponsor of Mike Patterson, I'd say 2 Pattersons is better than one.
Also, if Brandon Williams is even in the general REALM of Steve Smith, I don't care if he's not a big WR.
Shockley is a decent choice for a 2nd day pick. I wonder if Reggie McNeal will be considered...
DJ Shockley = Mike Vick lite.
Doesn't run as fast... but he makes up for it by being just as innacurate.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 24, 2006, 05:33:26 PM
Shockley is a decent choice for a 2nd day pick. I wonder if Reggie McNeal will be considered...
I'd like that. He'd have to move to WR though. Make him learn how to hold. Could you imagine the trick plays though?
Quoteand the Eagles with Tye Hill, David Pittman, Mike Bell, and Michael Robinson.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 24, 2006, 09:18:32 PM
Quoteand the Eagles with Tye Hill, David Pittman, Mike Bell, and Michael Robinson.
Draft Michael Robinson and make him Dawks replacement. But that is just my permawood for PSU today talkin.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 24, 2006, 02:13:45 PM
A 5'11" WR prospect?! Be still my beating heart!
Hank Baskett is 6'4", 220lbs :-D
QuotePhilly and Tampa Bay spoke with Mark Anderson (at length) and Thomas Howard
goeagles99 confirmed that the Eagles also spoke to Anwar Phillips - CB, Jason Avant - WR & Max Jean-Gilles - OG
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 25, 2006, 01:34:14 AM
goeagles99 confirmed that the Eagles also spoke to Anwar Phillips - CB, Jason Avant - WR & Max Jean-Gilles - OG
going by last years goeagles99 confirmations...that means no way in hell they will ever be eagles
He's pretty good with this draft stuff. And the names listed are reported on sites and newspapers with the exception of a few that he got from a friend who is in Mobile.
can we just say that there isnt a player at the senior bowl that the eagles havent talked to...or any other team for that matter...if your coach and/or reps are down there then youve talked to everyone...stop the madness
we all know the Eagles are going to draft Chad Greenway with their first round pick, then let him watch from the bench for a year.
we all know the Eagles are going to draft Chad Greenway with their first round pick
that would be suicide inducing....literally
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2006, 03:02:28 PM
we all know the Eagles are going to draft Chad Greenway with their first round pick
that would be suicide inducing....literally
[fingers crossed] draft Chad Greenway [/fingers crossed]
Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 25, 2006, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2006, 03:02:28 PM
we all know the Eagles are going to draft Chad Greenway with their first round pick
that would be suicide inducing....literally
[fingers crossed] draft Chad Greenway [/fingers crossed]
Ha.
Greenway is huge and a good, fluid athlete. Drafting him would be excellent. Drafting him and letting him rot on the bench would be pretty infuriating.
I'd just really like to have a linebacker who can cover a TE. I miss having a guy like Carlos Emmons.
The Giants have been missing him for about 5-6 games a year, too.
Greenway is huge and a good, fluid athlete. Drafting him would be excellent. Drafting him and letting him rot on the desk would be pretty infuriating.
hes white and from south dakota...hes had major recopnstruction on one of his knees and will be dominated by nfl caliber players after sludging around a slower than dirt big ten for four years
growing up on a pig farm has instilled in him an unbelievable work ethic tho...one that will make him a superb special teamer at the next level
[igy]White Linebacker = Special Teams[/igy]
I just like reading "Does an excellent job in coverage", which is more than i can say for all of the LBs on the Eagles roster (excluding McCoy since we've never seen him play).
Just assume McCoy is crap. He probably is anyway.
Is Urlacher so good because he's an albino black man?
weve been thru this before...urlacher is the haleys comet of white lb's
I just like reading "Does an excellent job in coverage",
manning up issac smolko will get you a high coverage grade
I'm willing to take a gamble on him. Haley's comet comes around every so often.
LOL @ the pig farm comments.
Yeah, living there installed an ethic in him. The ethic is "get me the farg out of the pig shtein!"
I think the Eagles should take a flier on Brandon Marshall from UCF in the later rounds.
He's got madd skittlzzzz.
He's got madd skittlzzzz.
word son word
#1EaglesFan1973 posted on the EMB from Tony Pauline's site that the Eagles have shown interest in another big body WR. Marques Colston from Hofstra 6'4 220.
He also posted this blurb from a Tony Pauline chat:
Quotethat Eagles have been uncharastically (Eagles don't usually show their hand to much as to who they really like & what not) showing alot of interest in the Wr's. Even Andy Reid has been in the trenches doing the scouting/interviewing & talking w/ many of the Wr's.
ge99 also reported that the Eagles showed interest in Wake Forest punter Ryan Plackemeier at the Shrine Bowl.
Ryan Plackemeier. That just sounds like a punter.
GET PLACKEMEIER!
Plackemeier won the Best Punter in the country 2 years in a row i think. He would be a great pickup but some team out there will probably grab him in the 3rd
QuoteHard to get past this guy
By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com
MOBILE, Ala. - Marcus McNeill has an excellent memory of the last sack he allowed, midway through the 2002 season.
"We were playing Mississippi State," McNeill, Auburn's 6-7 ¾, 344-pound tackle, was saying after yesterday's Senior Bowl practice. "They moved me to guard for a few series because we had somebody hurt. It was probably the easiest protection we have, and I gave up a sack. I was pretty upset with myself."
McNeill decided he didn't want that to happen again. Watching him dance through drills this week with power and grace, it's easy to see why he was able to avoid such problems - though he is appropriately modest about it.
"Can't nobody say they didn't ever get beat," McNeill said. "I was just lucky enough that they didn't get to the quarterback before he threw the ball."
Scouts say McNeill, a big part of the success enjoyed by running backs Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams in 2004, could play either tackle spot in the NFL. Some mock drafts project him going right around where the Eagles are drafting in the first round, which is 14th. McNeill said he was scheduled to meet with the Birds last night.
McNeill said he doesn't care which side he plays, but he has heard that left tackles - who protect the quarterback's blind side - generally make more money. McNeill said he is in favor of "whatever puts more money in my pocket for my family."
McNeill, a giant even among elite linemen this week (Auburn listed him at 6-9; he notes that his official measurement in Mobile came "without shoes on," that he is 6-9 in cleats) had some back and neck issues early in his college career. He said one reason he chose to return to Auburn in 2005 for his senior season was to put more distance between himself and those issues, to show the NFL he was completely healthy.
"I haven't missed any games or practices since my sophomore year," McNeill said. "To come back and have two healthy seasons, I think that helps my credibility. A lot of tall linemen have back problems; I really try to keep my core straight, strengthen my core as much as I can."
In fact, one of the reasons the Eagles might be in the market for a first-round offensive tackle is that 6-7 left tackle Tra Thomas is coming off back surgery.
Like many players in Mobile this week, McNeill finds it odd to have his every move in drills scrutinized by dozens of NFL observers. But he has grasped something Eagles coach Andy Reid mentioned yesterday, when Reid was asked why he wanted to watch the drills. "You get to see how the players respond to coaching," Reid said.
McNeill is on the South team, getting a crash course in San Francisco coach Mike Nolan's offense.
"Everybody comes from different systems," McNeill said. "That's part of the mental aspect of it, seeing if we can adapt to whatever system we're put in."
The Eagles would be a fine destination, McNeill said, but he doesn't plan to obsess over where he might be chosen in 3 months.
"Actually, on draft day, I'll probably be out fishing," he said. "I'm not going to take my cell phone or anything like that. I'm going to sit on a boat, fishing with my granddaddy, probably my father, come back and see where they took me, then get ready to go out and play football."
If they cannot land one of the top 2 DE's then this is th eguy who I am most interested in. I love Bunkley but I think 14 might be a tad high for him. And if they want DT help they can get it with their 2nd rounder.
From goeagles99:
QuoteJust heard from a guy in Mobile that the Eagles scouts had a lengthy talk with LB Chad Greenway after practice
From goeagles99:
QuoteJust heard from a guy in Mobile that the Eagles scouts had a lengthy talk with LB Chad Greenway after practice
From goeagles99:
QuoteJust heard from a guy in Mobile that the Eagles scouts had a lengthy talk with LB Chad Greenway after practice
how many Chad Greenway's are there?
Anybody know if the Eagles talked to Chad Greenway at all?
more importantly, what's up with Darwin Walker?
Quotemore importantly, what's up with Darwin Walker?
Well done. Well done indeed.
I see Phreak had the Starbucks jitters again this morning...
I'd much rather sign Witherspoon instead of drafting Greenway, or any other LB in the first. Unfortunately, I think he played himself out of our budget in the past few weeks.
I'd much rather sign Witherspoon instead of drafting Greenway
i love you
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2006, 03:00:38 PM
I'd much rather sign Witherspoon instead of drafting Greenway
i love you
but i don't even have an ass like megan
Oh dudes, don't me wrong. I would rather have Witherspoon by a farging country mile. There are a few positions where I would always prefer a proven player over an unproven one and linebacker is one of them, but in the absense of getting a real live playmaker in free agency, something needs to be done in the draft and if Greenway is there he should be a consideration.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 26, 2006, 05:25:40 PM
Oh dudes, don't me wrong. I would rather have Witherspoon by a farging country mile. There are a few positions where I would always prefer a proven player over an unproven one and linebacker is one of them, but in the absense of getting a real live playmaker in free agency, something needs to be done in the draft and if Greenway is there he should be a consideration.
yeah, what he said.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 26, 2006, 10:03:02 AM
I see Phreak had the Starbucks jitters again this morning...
:-D I don't drink coffee. But I was drinking a beer and I can't wait for the FA/draft periods to start. I'm a football junkie...I need my fix.
I would also prefer to sign Witherspoon versus drafting Greenway.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 26, 2006, 07:39:38 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 26, 2006, 10:03:02 AM
I see Phreak had the Starbucks jitters again this morning...
:-D I don't drink coffee. But I was drinking a beer and I can't wait for the FA/draft periods to start. I'm a football junkie...I need my fix.
I would also prefer to sign Witherspoon versus drafting Greenway.
Ditto on Witherspoon and the AFL starts this weekend which is sorta football, so at least you've got that going for you.
:yay
From Dillen37:
QuoteMaurice Stovall was popular and met with Philadelphia and Denver
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 26, 2006, 08:26:41 AM
QuoteHard to get past this guy
By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com
MOBILE, Ala. - Marcus McNeill has an excellent memory of the last sack he allowed, midway through the 2002 season.
"We were playing Mississippi State," McNeill, Auburn's 6-7 ¾, 344-pound tackle, was saying after yesterday's Senior Bowl practice. "They moved me to guard for a few series because we had somebody hurt. It was probably the easiest protection we have, and I gave up a sack. I was pretty upset with myself."
McNeill decided he didn't want that to happen again. Watching him dance through drills this week with power and grace, it's easy to see why he was able to avoid such problems - though he is appropriately modest about it.
"Can't nobody say they didn't ever get beat," McNeill said. "I was just lucky enough that they didn't get to the quarterback before he threw the ball."
Scouts say McNeill, a big part of the success enjoyed by running backs Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams in 2004, could play either tackle spot in the NFL. Some mock drafts project him going right around where the Eagles are drafting in the first round, which is 14th. McNeill said he was scheduled to meet with the Birds last night.
McNeill said he doesn't care which side he plays, but he has heard that left tackles - who protect the quarterback's blind side - generally make more money. McNeill said he is in favor of "whatever puts more money in my pocket for my family."
McNeill, a giant even among elite linemen this week (Auburn listed him at 6-9; he notes that his official measurement in Mobile came "without shoes on," that he is 6-9 in cleats) had some back and neck issues early in his college career. He said one reason he chose to return to Auburn in 2005 for his senior season was to put more distance between himself and those issues, to show the NFL he was completely healthy.
"I haven't missed any games or practices since my sophomore year," McNeill said. "To come back and have two healthy seasons, I think that helps my credibility. A lot of tall linemen have back problems; I really try to keep my core straight, strengthen my core as much as I can."
In fact, one of the reasons the Eagles might be in the market for a first-round offensive tackle is that 6-7 left tackle Tra Thomas is coming off back surgery.
Like many players in Mobile this week, McNeill finds it odd to have his every move in drills scrutinized by dozens of NFL observers. But he has grasped something Eagles coach Andy Reid mentioned yesterday, when Reid was asked why he wanted to watch the drills. "You get to see how the players respond to coaching," Reid said.
McNeill is on the South team, getting a crash course in San Francisco coach Mike Nolan's offense.
"Everybody comes from different systems," McNeill said. "That's part of the mental aspect of it, seeing if we can adapt to whatever system we're put in."
The Eagles would be a fine destination, McNeill said, but he doesn't plan to obsess over where he might be chosen in 3 months.
"Actually, on draft day, I'll probably be out fishing," he said. "I'm not going to take my cell phone or anything like that. I'm going to sit on a boat, fishing with my granddaddy, probably my father, come back and see where they took me, then get ready to go out and play football."
If they cannot land one of the top 2 DE's then this is th eguy who I am most interested in. I love Bunkley but I think 14 might be a tad high for him. And if they want DT help they can get it with their 2nd rounder.
Let's say the top 2 DEs are gone and McNeil is gone. Would you be in favor of the Eagles trading DOWN to pick up an extra pick and perhaps get Bunkley?
Quote"Can't nobody say they didn't ever get beat,"
Wonderlic = -2?
QuoteIf Chad's still hanging at 14, could be a Bird
By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com
MOBILE, Ala. - There are lots of things the Eagles could use this offseason, things teams in the playoffs seemed to have that the 6-10 Birds lack.
Right up there on that list is a big, fast, dominating outside linebacker.
Like Iowa's Chad Greenway, for instance.
Greenway, measured and weighed at the Senior Bowl at 6-2 ½, 243, is projected as the Eagles' pick at 14th overall in the first round in several mock NFL drafts. Mock drafts, particularly 3 months before the real draft, are a shot in the dark, but Greenway indicated the Eagles are among the teams that have shown the most interest in him.
Of course, the Eagles haven't taken a linebacker in the first round since Jerry Robinson in 1979. They have often drafted linebackers in the second round, with a stunning lack of success. In the last decade, the Eagles have taken linebackers James Darling (1997), Barry Gardner (1999), Quinton Caver (2001) and Matt McCoy (2005), all in the second round. It's unfair to call McCoy a bust already, especially since he came out of college a year early, but his rookie year was not encouraging. It's not too early to call the others busts. In fact, Caver, cut early in the 2002 season because he couldn't figure out kick coverage, let alone the defense, might be enshrined in the Draft Bust Hall of Fame. With a bust in his likeness, of course.
Maybe the Eagles need to change their linebacking draft karma by breaking out of the second-round rut. One hazard is that defensive coordinator Jim Johnson's scheme is quite complex, especially for an outside linebacker. That seemed to be a big part of McCoy's problem this past season.
Greenway seems like an especially quick study. The coaches at Iowa certainly thought so; they recruited him even though he'd never played 11-man football, while growing up raising hogs in tiny Mount Vernon, S.D. (Greenway was a quarterback and safety on a nine-man team.) Then he not only learned to play the 11-man game, he moved to linebacker, and quickly became a star.
"It really wasn't that big an adjustment," Greenway said this week. "Eight-man [played in some small, isolated areas] would be more of an adjustment, because the formation isn't square."
In the NFL, he said, "I'm up for pretty much any adjustment I have to make, whether that be living the city life, or a different defense."
A nine-man offense lines up like an 11-man offense, Greenway said, except the two tackles are missing.
"We played with two tight ends and one flanker," he said. "You had to have five on the line of scrimmage."
Abdul Hodge, Iowa's standout inside 'backer, also Greenway's teammate this week for the North at the Senior Bowl, said he couldn't believe it when they began talking about their high school careers, shortly after arriving at Iowa as freshmen.
"To me, it seemed like a flag-football type of thing," said Hodge, who grew up in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., far from such quaint notions.
In the pros, Greenway sees himself playing the weakside, though he thinks he could play the strongside in a pinch.
"I like playing WIL, being an athlete, being able to walk out into space and go against receivers, jam receivers, just being a bigger guy who can play in space and compete against the faster, quicker receivers," he said.
Anyone who saw teams throw underneath on the Eagles over and over again last season had to like that answer.
Hodge said the team that drafts Greenway will be getting an athlete and a leader.
"He's a good person," Hodge said. "On the field and off the field, he does things right. He's down-to-earth. He doesn't get ahead of himself; he just keeps working."
Greenway feels he has a pretty good feel for the Eagles already. Sean Considine, the former Iowa safety the Eagles drafted in the fourth round last spring, is a good friend. They talked often through Considine's difficult, injury-marred rookie season, which culminated in shoulder surgery. Greenway predicts Considine will have a strong impact next season, especially on special teams. And he said he wouldn't mind lining up with him.
McDougle healing?
One of the questions the Eagles need to answer as they head into the draft and free agency is whether they are likely to get any help from 2003 first-round pick Jerome McDougle. McDougle missed the 2005 season after being shot in an apparent robbery attempt in the Miami area the night before he was scheduled to travel to training camp. McDougle rehabbed through the first half of the season, but the day before he was to rejoin practice, he had to undergo emergency surgery for a hernia caused by scar tissue from the wound.
This week at Senior Bowl practice, both agent Drew Rosenhaus and Eagles coach Andy Reid were optimistic about McDougle's progress, though Reid agreed that it would be difficult now for the Birds to project McDougle as a starter at defensive end, as they did last spring.
Rosenhaus said McDougle has regained the weight he lost as he was recovering.
"Jerome's about 260 and feeling great," Rosenhaus said. "He has the green light" to participate in the first minicamp of the offseason, in April, Rosenhaus said
QuoteLet's say the top 2 DEs are gone and McNeil is gone. Would you be in favor of the Eagles trading DOWN to pick up an extra pick and perhaps get Bunkley?
I would love that, Bobby. I am quickly becoming a Bunkley fan. The thought of him and Patterson as the future at DT is nice.
But my first priority is to secure a top flight DE. If that cannot be done then I go for McNeill.
Tony Pauline on Eagles Live (from the EMB):
QuoteTony Pauline from TFY Draft was on "Eagles Live" today & said the Eagles have shown alot of interest in both WR Maurice Stovall & PSU DE Tamba HaLi. Even said that Big Red was all over Stovall.
The Stovall thing is more interesting to me since we now know that Weiss and Reid are tight.
what are Stovall's measurements?
from NFL draft countdown SR Bowl notes:
QuoteMaurice Stovall, Notre Dame
6041 216
* Looked very big and lean.
hes big like 6-4 220
he also grew up in logan so that would be dope if he came to the birds
Dude, a big talented WR? Word. Where is he projected to go?
Quote from: rjs246 on January 27, 2006, 09:49:54 AM
Dude, a big talented WR? Word. Where is he projected to go?
whatever the answer is now you can bet it will change for better or worse after the combine.
of course. i'm just curious because I don't want to use a first rounder on a WR, but certainly wouldn't mind adding one in the second or third.
As of now, nobody has him going in the 1st round. He's probably a 3rd rounder right now, maybe a 2nd....
NFL Draft Countdown Analysis:
QuoteStrengths:
Has tremendous size and knows how to use his large frame...Has great body control and can make the acrobatic catch...Leaper who will go up and get the ball at its highest point...Strong and physical...Willing blocker who does a tremendous job in that area...Not afraid to go over the middle...A bit of a long strider who is deceptively fast...Came through with a huge senior season under Charlie Weis.
Weaknesses:
Lacks elite speed / quickness and may have trouble separating from DB's at the next level...Didn't really emerge and play up to his potential until recently...Needs to keep his weight in check like he did as a senior...Will not do much in terms of yards after the catch...Will have concentration lapses...Doesn't seem to have natural hands and will drop some balls...Might only be a posession receiver.
Notes:
Could potentially bulk up and become a tight end or H-Back in the pros...With his size and ability this guy can be a terror to cover in the red zone...Intriguing prospect whose stock is on the rise thanks to a breakout season in '05.
Thanks Ed.
Les Bowen is all about Chad Greenway.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/13723698.htm
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 27, 2006, 12:06:13 PM
Les Bowen is all about Chad Greenway.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/13723698.htm
the article was posted in it's entirety a page back.
Greenway Trotter & McCoy ;D
AWWW YEAH!
The fact that he wants to play wil is a plus. Chad cant be any worse than Bowtie or Gappy
At some point, the Eagles will have to get someone that actually wants to and can play SAM properly.
Where's the fun in that?
If the Eagles pass on Greenway in the first round, what about Abdul Hodge (also from Iowa) in the 2nd round? He's a MLB who could take over for Trotter.
here's what an ESPN chat said:
Quote from: Scouts, Inc.'s Todd McShay: (2:26 PM ET )Hodge doesn't have great size, so he won't be a natural fit as a 3-4 ILB. However, he is quick, instinctive and tough. He does his best work when given room to roam. I think Hodge will be a good value in the second round for a team looking for an eventual MLB starter in a 4-3 scheme.
On Greenway:
Quote from: Scouts, Inc.'s Todd McShay: (2:53 PM ET )I think he could fit as an OLB in a 3-4 because he has the height and pass-rushing skills, but he's at his best in space, which is why I think he'll be better suited to play on the weak-side in a 4-3. Either way, he should come off the board in the second half of the first round.
Chad Greenway Video Highlights
(http://hawkeyesports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/greenway_chad00.html)
Scroll down a bit, under his stats.
Will try to find more video of prospects the Eagles might look at...
the mere point that all media is talking Chad Greenway and Eagles means they wont draft him.
there's also no way the Eagles draft him if he's projected as a weak side linebacker. That is, assuming they still think that's what McCoy is.
white all-american hard working pig farmer character guy from south dakota
no chance they dont take him
in fact they might trade up for him
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2006, 03:57:42 PM
white all-american hard working pig farmer character guy from south dakota
no chance they dont take him
in fact they might trade up for him
i guess this means your suicide is only a few months away.
Eagles showed interest in Jerome Harrison, RB Washington State.
i guess this means your suicide is only a few months away.
im afraid yes....very afraid
for real this guy is falling right into reids lap...especially after the TO fiasco...hes looking for a man just like this even more than he normally would be...throw in the fact that hes rated right around their pick and hes at a need position...its all but over
QuoteEagles showed interest in Jerome Harrison, RB Washington State.
A 199 lb. running back? I'm going to go open up a vein now.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 27, 2006, 04:24:32 PM
QuoteEagles showed interest in Jerome Harrison, RB Washington State.
A 199 lb. running back? I'm going to go open up a vein now.
I'm all for it if he is 4'11". :-\
Eh, hes alot like Westbrook and Moats. That way we have a backup plan if either of them go JR on us
Quote from: Dillen37 on January 27, 2006, 07:20:22 PM
Eh, hes alot like Westbrook and Moats. That way we have a backup plan if either of them go JR on us
I might kill you.
Whats stopping you?
Courtesy of #1EaglesFan1973:
QuoteLooking At Who The Eagles Are Looking At
Iowa's Chad Greenway By Chuck Hixson
Date: Jan 27, 2006
The Eagles spent this week talking to players who will take part in the Senior Bowl. As the process moves on, the Eagles will likely narrow their sites, but for now, let's take a look at who some of the names are that they're kicking around.
One of the first guys that the Eagles sought out in Mobile was Tennessee defensive lineman Jesse Mahelona. This is a guy who is a bit of a project, but if somebody can get through to him, they'll have quite a find. He's big - too big for his six-foot frame - at 311 pounds and isn't as physical as he could be. He tends to stay too low on his blocks and offensive linemen simply take advantage of that and before long Mahelona is sucking in grass and dirt. If he excels in one thing, it's rushing the passer, which explains why the Eagles may be interested. He gets a little too anxious and jumps offside too often, but that's all part of the process of getting him to be the player that many believe he can be.
The Eagles also spent some time looking at Broderick Bunkley, a defensive lineman from Florida State. This is the guy that scouts hope Mahelona could blossom into. Unfortunately, Bunkley suffered a concussion in practice and won't play in the Senior Bowl this weekend. Scouts rave about how Bunkley combines size and quickness and how he knows how to get himself to the ball. At 6' 2", 300 pounds, Bunkley is a monster. There's no fat on this frame. Bunkley was repeatedly double-teamed in practice this week, even by some of the bigger and better offensive linemen and didn't budge.
Late in the week, Chad Greenway caught the eye of the Eagles' staff. Greenway is an outside linebacker out of Iowa, who weighed in at 6' 2", 242 pounds this past week. This is a kid that you have to see day after day to truly appreciate, because he doesn't necessarily do anything spectacular, but he is steady and will work hard on every play. He has a knack for being in the right place at the right time and is more than willing to let coaches do their job and coach him. There's no guarantee that he'll actually still be available when the Eagles pick at 14, because Greenway is projected to go between the 7th and 12th picks in the first round. Don't be surprised if Greenway starts to drop a little if the Eagles look at moving up to insure that they can get Greenway. This is a guy who the Eagles could be very happy with and simply plug him into the defense and let him do his job, which he does well on both pass and run coverage. It doesn't hurt that Greenway has an interesting background story to tell of how he grew up raising hogs and had only played football with nine men on a side prior to being recruited by Iowa. The coaches there simply love the kid and he was very popular with his teammates as well. Watch for Greenway between now and when the Eagles make their first round pick in April.
Penn State's Tamba Hali hasn't had a good week in Mobile. While Hali showed himself to be a good player, scouts weren't able to get a good read on just how he would help their defense since he didn't do any one thing consistently well. Many times, he found himself being pushed away from the play and was too far out of position to help. His pass rush wasn't strong, primarily because he didn't get off the ball well. If anything, Hali's stock probably fell a little in the practice week and he'll need to make up some ground between now and draft day.
The chances that the Eagles will draft for offense in the first round are slim. They did however spend some time talking with some offensive players during the Senior Bowl practices. New Mexico wide receiver Hank Baskett met with the Eagles, but Baskett wasn't overly impressive in his practices. At times, he was simply lost and actually lined up wrong a number of times. He doesn't run the type of crisp routes that scouts like to see and at times seemed to almost float through the practices and not show the aggression that scouts were looking for. His best performance came on blocking. He wasn't afraid to throw blocks and he stayed on them. For now at least, Baskett doesn't appear to be a guy that would help the Eagles.
Finally came Georgia quarterback D.J. Shockley. At some point, the Eagles are going to have to start grooming a successor for Donovan McNabb, but for right now, they're simply concerned about finding backups for McNabb. Odds are that Shockley isn't going to be able to fill either of those roles. He's got decent arm strength, but his passes float at times and his accuracy tends to be off. Receivers spend a lot of time trying to catch passes that are much lower than they should be even when Shockley has plenty of time to get rid of the ball. He's got a quick release, but doesn't seem to have a sense for leading receivers to the ball and a lot of his passes would be candidates for interceptions in the NFL.
Quote from: Dillen37 on January 27, 2006, 07:32:33 PM
Whats stopping you?
I can't seem to reach you through this monitor.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 27, 2006, 07:38:27 PM
Quote from: Dillen37 on January 27, 2006, 07:32:33 PM
Whats stopping you?
I can't seem to reach you through this monitor.
What you need is a monitor made of steam.
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Nice farging shirt.
I'll let him know you like it.
Why do the Eagles always seem to be looking at projects? Why the farg can't they look at guys who've produced at the college level, not guys who MIGHT be productive in the NFL?
Take guys who've been productive from big schools and go from there.
Just wondering.
PS: I'm not talking about taking stars in the 6th round. I know they're not going to be available. Productive three and four year starters will be, though.
#1EaglesFan1973 said that the Eagles were coveting Deangelo Williams, wouldnt be too much stock in it yet. He got it from Consensus Draft in the premium section.
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Ive talked to a few people around the league over the last few days and decided to share with you what I've been hearing. Nothing can be confirmed, but they did come from guys that I do respect, so all we can do is take it with a grain of salt.
First off, the Packers are said to covet Laurence Maroney, not Reggie Bush. They have identified the Minnesota running back as their guy at this point in the season. They do question his work ethic and character however.
Second, DeAngelo Williams is said to be coveted by.... The Eagles! With the terrible run game they have this year, this does not surprise me. With the way the Eagles trade up to take people, they could make a move on draft day to grab the Memphis speedster.
Third, it seems as though some concerns are coming up about Auburn mammoth tackle Marcus McNeill. Apparently he has a medical disorder which may cause some teams to stay away from him early in the first. He still has first round talent, but this same medical condition has dropped players in the past. It is not a mental condition of any kind, just a birth defect that is worrysome.
This is a kid that you have to see day after day to truly appreciate, because he doesn't necessarily do anything spectacular, but he is steady and will work hard on every play. He has a knack for being in the right place at the right time and is more than willing to let coaches do their job and coach him
Greenway sounds like Simoneau from that assessment.
DeAngelo Williams, eh? 5'10", 217? As long as he's about 3 parts LaDainian and only 1 part Westbrook/Moats...
even if he becomes a solid player and citizen which very well could happen thats not what the eagles need there...they need a punch you in the face playmaker whos gonna go around and chop heads
i bring up the steeelers again....why can they have five of these guys on their roster at any given time and the eagles cant find one...is it because they arent looking?
I find that DeAngelo Williams rumor hard to believe. He'll be a hot commodity probably and as much as I like him, I wouldn't spend a 1st round pick on him.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 27, 2006, 09:22:39 PM
Why do the Eagles always seem to be looking at projects? Why the farg can't they look at guys who've produced at the college level, not guys who MIGHT be productive in the NFL?
Take guys who've been productive from big schools and go from there.
Just wondering.
PS: I'm not talking about taking stars in the 6th round. I know they're not going to be available. Productive three and four year starters will be, though.
They don't have to be from big schools to be productive, Romey. Every guy "MIGHT" be productive in the NFL. No one is a sure thing. From the first overall pick to Mr. Irrelevant..they're all question marks, bro.
And the Eagles do find some gems in UDFA. Rod Hood is a good example of a guy who is an important part of this team but went undrafted. Just because they are not looking at highprofile guys doesn't mean they aren't looking for good players
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 28, 2006, 08:16:22 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 27, 2006, 09:22:39 PM
Why do the Eagles always seem to be looking at projects? Why the farg can't they look at guys who've produced at the college level, not guys who MIGHT be productive in the NFL?
Take guys who've been productive from big schools and go from there.
Just wondering.
PS: I'm not talking about taking stars in the 6th round. I know they're not going to be available. Productive three and four year starters will be, though.
They don't have to be from big schools to be productive, Romey. Every guy "MIGHT" be productive in the NFL. No one is a sure thing. From the first overall pick to Mr. Irrelevant..they're all question marks, bro.
And the Eagles do find some gems in UDFA. Rod Hood is a good example of a guy who is an important part of this team but went undrafted. Just because they are not looking at highprofile guys doesn't mean they aren't looking for good players
I acknowledge they do a good job in the street free agent market. My problem with them stems from their drafting strategies.
BTW: I'd rather have a guy who was a four year starter at Texas than a four year starter at Bethune Cookman College. That's all I'm saying.
But why? There have been a lot of busts to come out of the major schools. Obviously they also produce more players because of the fact they get the elite guys. But if your scouting is good you don't have to sweat it. If a guy can play ball, he can play ball.
I had this discussion (somewhat) with a friend. He was saying pretty much what you are saying and I hold a little bit of a different view. I want football players. I want guys who can get it done. I don't want workout warriors or guys who look the part. Gimme the guy who will be fundamentally sound.
Scott Pioli and Bill Belichick are a good example of this. Parcells does it a lot too. They'll take a guy who might not measure out great, who might not fly like the wind but who can straight up play. Look at Tedy Bruschi. He was a DE who had no shot of being an NFL DE. Look at Dan Klecko. He was a DT in college, Temple no less, and he's a guy who they move around. DeMarcus Ware went to Troy State and he's very good.
sucks Bunkley isnt playing, I was finally hoping to see him in action.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 28, 2006, 08:36:38 AM
Look at Dan Klecko. He was a DT in college, Temple no less, and he's a guy who they move around.
:o :boom
Are you saying Temple isn't a major college football program?
F*** you!
:-D
PS: None of them were "projects" coming out, were they?
Quote from: MURP on January 28, 2006, 08:46:04 AM
sucks Bunkley isnt playing, I was finally hoping to see him in action.
I gotta give it to you guys. Last night they had Day 1 of the Senior Bowl on NFL network at 8:30EST. I was farging bored to tears. Other than seeing a couple of guys I was wanting to see for a second or two, a bunch of slop. The last time I'll be watching it. Thanks for the updates and details though, you diligent bastiches.
Info on DeAngelo:
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Position: Running Back
School: Memphis
Status: Senior
Height: 5-10
Weight: 217
40-Yard Dash: 4.45(est)
Positives:
DeAngelo Williams possesses simply incredible athleticism, shows great balance and burst, with good shiftiness when moving through the second level. He also has great straight-line speed and acceleration when getting through the holes in the line. Has the ability to run around or over tacklers so long as they don't wrap up in time. Williams also has a good nose for the endzone, running harder as he gets closer to it, a la Shaun Alexander of the Seattle Seahawks.
Negatives:
Williams doesn't always show the instincts you want to see from a runner by not seeming to always read where linebackers and safeties are going in relation to his running lanes. Also seems to have some problems breaking tackles once the tackler starts wrapping up and pushing through them for extra yardage, but he has gotten better about it over the past couple of seasons. Williams has had some problems with leg injuries, which could be a concern for prospective teams.
Overview:
Williams is the active career leader in the NCAA for rushing yards, all-purpose yards, rushing average, and rushing touchdowns. He was named to the first-team All-American squad by Pro Football Weekly in 2004, in addition to a cabinet full of other honors and acknowledgments awarded to him
No thanks.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 28, 2006, 09:01:56 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 28, 2006, 08:36:38 AM
Look at Dan Klecko. He was a DT in college, Temple no less, and he's a guy who they move around.
:o :boom
Are you saying Temple isn't a major college football program?
F*** you!
:-D
PS: None of them were "projects" coming out, were they?
Al Golden will turn the Owls around! Natty Champs, baby! Then MDS can pop his official Temple Owls polo and fight for the cherry and white. :D
As for the "projects" thing...yes, some of them were projects. Like I said...every college player is a project to an extent. I don't care where they went to school. Sure I like to see some major college stars at times, but you never know what you're going to get. All NFL teams draft projects, bro.
Yes but doesn't it seem that the Eagles tend to draft projects higher than other teams?
Todd Herremans is a prime example of this philosophy.
Sure, he MIGHT turn out to be a serviceable player in the NFL but why was it necessary for the Eagles to go after him so early?
I mean the guy played at what amounts to no better than a community college, yet for some reason, the Eagles drafted him in the third round when he was projected to go a lot lower.
You mean to tell me that a guy who played at a major school, who performed against talent that was wayyyyyyyyy more skilled wouldn't have been a better choice at that spot?
All I'm saying is, I'd rather have a guy be picked in the higher rounds who played at a major school. They play better competition in environments that are much more similar to the NFL than a fricken junior college.
Look, if a guy is a star at a smaller school, that's fine. Walter Payton was a star at a smaller school and NFL history is strewn with stars from smaller programs. Again, I'm not talking about stars here. I'm talking about the choice between two guys who could be serviceable NFL players. One went to Notre Dame and the other went to UCF.
Which player would you rather take if everything else was equal?
Deangelo weighed in at 5'8" 1/4, 208 pounds. He pretty much is Brian Westbrook, better runner, worse hands. Hell, theyre both listed at 5'10" and neither are close to that.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 28, 2006, 09:23:35 AM
Yes but doesn't it seem that the Eagles tend to draft projects higher than other teams?
Todd Herremans is a prime example of this philosophy.
Sure, he MIGHT turn out to be a serviceable player in the NFL but why was it necessary for the Eagles to go after him so early?
I mean the guy played at what amounts to no better than a community college, yet for some reason, the Eagles drafted him in the third round when he was projected to go a lot lower.
The Eagles drafted Herremans late in the 4th round. And while he did go to a joke college program he was a fairly popular player to coaches and scouts. I too at first thought he would be a project, but after reading up about him he sounded decent. There hasnt really been anything negative at all said about the guy since he was drafted. If the Eagles didnt snag him where they did there is a good chance he wouldnt have been around by their next pick. I went back and found the article I posted about him after the draft. Take a look Rome.
QuoteSVSU tackle Herremans hopes for best
Thursday, April 21, 2005
Here's the scuttlebutt:
"Has been worked out by 11 teams. He is a project that is worth taking a chance on. One coach said he'd bet his Mercedes that (he) would be a first-day pick," wrote NFL.com senior draft analyst Gil Brandt, a former vice president of personnel for the Dallas Cowboys who lists this player as a "wildcard."
When asked on an ESPN draft segment to name an unknown player who may go in the first three rounds, draft guru Mel Kiper Jr., named him.
If he had played for a Division I school, he'd now be compared to last season's first-round pick Robert Gallery, the No. 2 overall pick in 2004 to Oakland, according to one NFL scout.
Todd Herremans, an offensive tackle from Saginaw Valley State University, is doing his best to block out the "buzz" over his draft status as the fateful weekend approaches.
"My whole take on this is, I'm going to plan on being a free agent and if anything else happens ... it's a bonus," said Herremans, who measured nearly 6-feet, 7-inches tall and more than 320 pounds when NFL scouts visited SVSU's Ryder Center on St. Patrick's Day in March.
Still, it's difficult to block out the talk that has swirled around the Division II All-American, who seemed to fly so low under the radar screen that even Michigan Tech's Joe Berger was invited to the NFL combine workouts in February while he was not.
Interestingly, neither Herremans nor Berger -- pronounced 'burr-jay' -- appears on NFL.com's "prospect profiles," although Brandt always includes the SVSU tackle, while he also appears on the list of tackles in the Sporting News' draft preview edition.
While statistics show that about 85 percent of those who attend the combine end up drafted, Herremans believes that his absence now may be contributing to scouts' hearts growing fonder of the Ravenna athlete.
"I'm glad I didn't go," Herremans said. "It didn't bother me, you can't control it. ... I think I have more buzz like this than going to the combine."
The fuss all began during the postseason all-star games, when Herremans first played well at the Division II Cactus Bowl. However, he really turned heads during the Las Vegas All-Star Classic, butting heads with Division I and I-AA athletes.
"That kind of started the buzz right there, I did real well," Herremans said.
Making his case even more interesting, Herremans' pro day was cut short because he tweeked his hamstring, meaning his five-second 40-yard dash was not confirmed with another running. In addition, he had hurt his pectoral muscle while working out before the scouts visited and so lifted the 225-pound barbell just 20 times before stopping. "I didn't push it," said the tackle, who noted that during workouts he has put up the bar 32 times.
Still, since his pro day, Herremans said he has had contact with NFL teams almost daily, and has been flown to 11 team headquarters across the map. Coaches often visit SVSU to meet with Herremans, who had a meeting slated with the Atlanta Falcons as late as today.
"It's been a little crazy," he said.
Herremans, who spurned preferred walk-on offers from Division I schools in order to play at SVSU, said he did not have any realistic NFL aspirations until last year when scouts came to look at receivers Ruvell Martin and Glen Martinez and also asked about him.
"One scout told me that if I was playing at a Division I school I'd have as much hype as Robert Gallery last year, ah, I don't think so," Herremans said. "But obviously, it's harder for teams to measure you up with the other tackles."
While Herremans may not have known of his NFL potential, his name came up in conversations with SVSU coach Randy Awrey several years ago.
"I don't think he did that well in his pro day, but because he is such an athelte, and such an intelligent young man and such good character, everybody is checking him out," Awrey said.
Herremans said scouts have said he could play the left or right tackle slot, and probably would play both as a rookie learning the ropes.
They've also filled his head with all the buzz that seems to be ringing in his ears.
"I'm taking it all with a grain of salt," he said. "I'm just blocking everything out."
Now that's an appropriate comment. v
to me andy thrives off getting players that are projects or castaways and getting them in the starting lineup...hed much rather take herremans from saginaw valley state or an UFA and make them into and average or slighty above nfl players than he would take debrickashaw ferguson and have him be a pro bowler for ten years
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2006, 11:44:52 AM
to me andy thrives off getting players that are projects or castaways and getting them in the starting lineup...hed much rather take herremans from saginaw valley state or an UFA and make them into and average or slighty above nfl players than he would take debrickashaw ferguson and have him be a pro bowler for ten years
I'm sure that if D'Brickashaw would be available in the 4th round (let alone at pick #14 in the 1st), Reid would take him.
All coaches love getting contributors from the later rounds and from UDFA's. If you don't think Andy wants to get Pro Bowlers from his picks (especially early in the draft) as much as the next, you're simply wrong. Look at Freddie, for instance. Reid went with the guy who'd produced at a high level and was, at the time, considered more NFL-ready than some higher-ceiling guys like Chad Johnson who were still available. I think Reid mixes up his "project" players and his "sure thing" players fairly well.
QuoteI think Reid mixes up his "project" players and his "sure thing" players fairly well.
Unintentionally funny but funny none the less.
I kinda feel where Rome is coming from on this one.
Reid seems to covet drafting players who are consistently referred to as a "project", or a guy that "if he can be coached up, he can be something special." Whenever we draft a guy, a lot of times, he seems to have a small catch or a small knock against him. Even Patterson last year. (Now, I'm not complaining because I love Patterson, but as an example)... while he proved to be a productive player, the knock on him at the draft was that he was undersized. He was too short. Andrews... a "road grater" on the O-line, but has weight issues. Moats... 1,700 yards at La Tech, but undersized with fumbling issues. Scott Young... potential, but raw because he's a converted D-lineman. Parry, a UDFA... a converted LB. Cole... undersized DE. I understand that some guys prove to be diamonds in the rough, some prove to be scrubs, it just seems as though Reid seems to go after these guys a lot more than most.
If thats your thinking, then why wouldnt you rather have a player who could become a good player with some NFL coaching as opposed to a player who has reached his full potential in college?
Who says they've reached their potential? Ovbiously every college player is going to require coaching to excel at the next level. Just why not start with a guy who has all the measurements and qualities that you're looking for?
If you want to nitpick, every single draft pick ever has had some sort of "project" factor or capability to improve. And most of the guys who have absolutely zero room to improve simply suck.
C'mon... you know I'm not saying that.
You're taking it like I'm faulting Reid for his choices. All I'm doing is simply pointing out that he seems to go after more of these guys, good or bad... than most other people making those decisions.
Maybe he does, maybe he doesnt. All I know is that I havnt been shown proof either way. Kinda like IGY trying to say DE's in the first round bust more than any other position. Well, show me the proof. I guess I just dont see the point in trying to argue that Reid takes more "project" players than any other team if there is nothing to back it up with.
Fair enough... but let's get one thing straight.
If you ever... EVER... compare me to IGY again, it'll be me and you.
Get me?
From ge99 via newspaper:
QuoteHe should see his stock on the rise. He met with a number of teams, including the Chicago Bears, Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Carolina Panthers, Philadelphia Eagles, Kansas City Chiefs and Green Bay Packers. He had not yet met with the Bengals, but said he would have his fingers crossed.
That is in regards to Nick Mangold, who had a very, very good week.
Courtesy of ge99:
QuoteWhen scouts wearing fleeces from the Philadelphia Eagles and Miami Dolphins came around during Austin's junior year to evaluate him, "I was pretty excited about that,'' said Austin, who grew up as a Raiders fan. "I was hoping it was going to happen.
In reference to Monmouth WR Miles Austin (6'3 219).
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 28, 2006, 08:13:51 PM
Courtesy of ge99:
QuoteWhen scouts wearing fleeces from the Philadelphia Eagles and Miami Dolphins came around during Austin's junior year to evaluate him, "I was pretty excited about that,'' said Austin, who grew up as a Raiders fan. "I was hoping it was going to happen.
In reference to Monmouth WR Miles Austin (6'3 219).
See? Top flight competition.
:-D
So they should only devote time to D1A schools?
More on this Austin kid:
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Austin: Chrebet with size
Saturday, January 28, 2006
By PETE CALDERA
STAFF WRITER
Once a player like Miles Austin is parading around at the NFL combine, it hardly matters where he spent his undergraduate years.
The vital statistics -- height, weight, speed, strength, hands, quickness, football instincts -- matter most to coaches who can't waste valuable draft picks.
Suddenly, a player from a little-known school could make a lot of noise in Indianapolis.
"I know I can play on that [NFL] level,'' said Austin, 21, a wide receiver out of Garfield and Division I-AA Monmouth University – not exactly one of New Jersey's football hotbeds. "Hopefully, they like what they see.''
Austin's name is burned inside Monmouth's record book, but none of that will matter from Feb. 23-27 during the horse-auction atmosphere at the RCA Dome.
"Miles has the size numbers the NFL guys are looking for,'' said Mark Fabish, Monmouth's offensive coordinator.
At 6 feet 3 and 225 pounds, Austin will look like a pro as he stands among the top prospects from the nation's biggest football factories.
But what about when the whistle blows? "He's a tough kid,'' Fabish said. "I'd be surprised if there's another receiver [at the combine] that has the size and strength that he has.''
Among the excitable crowd of draftnicks, Austin already is a known commodity. Type Austin's name into an Internet search engine, along with "NFL draft,'' and you'll see.
At Scott Wright's NFL Draft Countdown -- which bills itself as the world's most popular draft site -- Austin is ranked 30th among 42 receivers invited to the combine.
Over at football.com, Austin is rated 21st among the site's top 25 receivers.
In the capsule commentary at NFL Draft Countdown, Austin is projected to be a seventh-round selection, or at least a free agent who will get a shot at someone's NFL camp this summer.
"He's excited,'' Fabish said. "All he wants is an opportunity.''
If he makes it to the pros, Austin would follow the path of fellow Garfield High alums Wayne Chrebet (who just retired from the Jets) and Luis Castillo, a first-round draft pick of the San Diego Chargers in 2005.
In becoming the first Monmouth player invited to the NFL combine, "obviously it gives us some national recognition,'' Fabish said.
But a player such as Austin doesn't wind up at a school like Monmouth without a unique set of circumstances. Austin came late to football, but Monmouth coaches showed an early interest.
"When we recruited him, he was somewhat raw,'' Fabish said of Austin, who was more involved in basketball and track until his junior year at Garfield.
By the end of his sophomore year in college, "We were saying, 'Wow, this kid's pretty good.' He became more of a polished player,'' Fabish said.
By the time Rutgers came calling, Monmouth had won Austin's loyalty. There would be no transfer.
Originally, "That's where I wanted to go,'' Austin said of Rutgers. But Monmouth "stuck with me from the beginning.''
When scouts wearing fleeces from the Philadelphia Eagles and Miami Dolphins came around during Austin's junior year to evaluate him, "I was pretty excited about that,'' said Austin, who grew up as a Raiders fan. "I was hoping it was going to happen.''
Suddenly, thoughts of an NFL career seemed real.
Since then, the Jets, Giants and representatives from every NFL team have seen Austin at Monmouth.
These days, Austin works out at Joe DeFranco's training center in Hawthorne, training six days a week in preparation for the combine and a career that seemed but a dream four years ago.
From NFL DraftBlitz:
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3. WR Miles Austin, 6-3 219, Monmouth (Division II):
MU's all-time leading receiver with 122 receptions and recently recorded his 10th-career 100-yard receiving game. Last year (2004) as a junior he was named to Don Hansen's Football Gazette NCAA Mid-Major second-team All-American team and led Monmouth receivers in all categories, hauling in 47 passes for 859 yards and nine touchdowns. He also led his team in scoring with 66 points and all-purpose yardage with 965 total. He is like a man playing among boys and will certainly be given a chance to play in the NFL. This year (2005) he already has 601 receiving yards and 5 TDs.
From ge99 via AuburnScout.com:
Ben Obomanu WR Auburn:
QuoteHe adds that getting placed on the Senior Bowl roster has helped him in his quest for the NFL because a number of pro teams have spent a good bit of time getting to know him this week. "The Eagles, the Dolphins, the taterskins, the Saints, there are a lot of different teams I have talked to," he says. "A lot of people are just going to do interviews any way just to see what kind of person you are and compare you to other people so it has been fun just to have the chance to do some interviews
QuoteEagles | Team interested in Mix
Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:33:29 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Auburn WR Anthony Mix said the Philadelphia Eagles were interested in him at the Senior Bowl.
He's 6'4 235
I was reading about Mix earlier. Seems most scouts have him being a TE at the next level. He also has some charachter issues and a bit of a problem staying in playing shape.
NFLDraftCountdown says:
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Strengths:
Has amazing size and a large frame which he knows how to use...Outstanding natural athlete...Very good speed for a guy of his dimensions...Is a big target who can move the chains and be a possession receiver...Does a good job of getting open...Got better each year of his career...Still has some upside and potential.
Weaknesses:
Might need to make a position change and will need to either bulk up to play tight end or slim down to play wide receiver...Will drop too many balls...Needs to become more physical and a much better blocker...Is not a deep or vertical threat...Needs to work harder...Struggles to stay in shape...An underachiever.
Notes:
Played wide receiver in college but may project to tight end or H-Back as a pro...Has some intriguing physical tools and a great combination of size / speed but needs to be motivated...Will likely get looks as a developmental prospect.
What about Santoinio Holmes, the WR from Ohio State, he's small, but fast as hell.
Hello, and welcome to last month, Shorebird!
According to KFFL, according to Marcus Vick, Pat Shurmur interviewed him. I can't print the link becauses KFFL is blocked here where I work--because it's got a lot of gambling stuff on there, and those are "hot words". However, it WAS on another Eagles site I was just trawling through.
QuoteEagles | Team meets with Mills
Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:50:59 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Tulsa TE Garrett Mills said he met with the Philadelphia Eagles at the Combine.
QuoteEagles | Team meets with Pope
Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:41:42 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Georgia TE Leonard Pope said he has met with the Philadelphia Eagles at the Combine
QuoteEagles | Team talks with Jolly
Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:09:09 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Texas A&M DL Johnny Jolly said he has talked with the Philadelphia Eagles
QuoteEagles | Team interviews J. King
Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:31:05 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Virginia Tech TE Jeff King said he was interviewed by the Philadelphia Eagles.
QuoteEagles | Team interested in J. Lewis
Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:27:05 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Virginia Tech DT Jonathan Lewis said he was drawing interest from and met with the Philadelphia Eagles.
QuoteEagles | Team interviews M. Vick
Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:19:35 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Virginia Tech QB Marcus Vick said he interviewed with the quarterbacks coach from the Philadelphia Eagles
pretty clear TE is a priority.
Reid will be the first coach to have pass-oriented 4 TE offense.
Yeah, they know they need a solid #2 Te. King and Pope are big bodies who are good blockers.
Mills is listed as a TE but he'll be an h-back/FB in the NFL.
Well, we certainly don't want a fullback.
Good article from USA Today
Quote
Combine notes: Vanderjagt likely out in Indy; Pope, Williams impress
By Jim Corbett, USA TODAY
INDIANAPOLIS — Kicker Mike Vanderjagt will be getting the boot and won't be returning after badly shanking that overtime-forcing field goal in the Colts' divisional playoff loss to Pittsburgh.
Vanderjagt was previously in Colts president Bill Polian's doghouse. But he entered last-straw territory when he appeared on Late Night With David Letterman one night after shanking that 46-yard game-tying field goal.
Polian said Saturday Vanderjagt was as good as gone.
"In our minds we are looking," Polian says. "Mike will be free and he'll probably have to go somewhere else. We have plans along those lines. We figure it will be an area that we have to (address)."
Polian wasn't sure if the Colts would look outside or if Vanderjagt's backup, journeyman Jose Cortez, would get a shot.
"We might have that person on the roster, we'll see," he says.
TE Pope proves to be a mammoth prospect
There are some big dudes in a loaded tight end draft class, but one guy who really stood out was Georgia's Leonard Pope, a 6-7, 258-pound physical freak who appears he's going to make the lives of a lot of NFL linebackers and safeties incredibly miserable.
The Eagles, taterskins and Jaguars have already visited with Pope, and a lot more teams are going to be salivating over this guy, who stands out even in a loaded tight end class.
"Ah man, my height?" he asks, rhetorically, "The average linebacker I think is about 6-1 or something like that? If I'm 6-7 and me running down the field and it's a one-on-one, I'm going to make the play because of my height."
What's really scary is the guy, who has been tutored by former Bulldog teammate and current New England Patriots tight end Ben Watson, has the ability to get bigger.
"Right now I'm satisfied with my weight at 258," he says. "But I'll tend to gain maybe 10 more pounds and still try to run like a 4.6 or 4.5."
DE Williams draws comparison to Peppers
North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams is another imposing guy who is likely battling Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk and possibly Texas safety Michael Huff for the right to be the first defensive player chosen in this draft.
Williams recorded 25 career sacks in three seasons at NC State and has drawn comparisons to Carolina Panthers Pro Bowl defensive end Julius Peppers for his rare athleticism and ability to rush the passer.
At 6-7, 295, Williams has those swooping long arms that make it difficult for tackles to lock him down.
It's actually an honor," Williams says of the Peppers comparisons. "He's a great player. Just to be compared to somebody like that I take that very highly. I'm thankful."
Rosenhaus multitasks his way around combine
Superagent Drew Rosenhaus was walking around the Indianapolis Convention Center, site of the NFL scouting combine, looking like a high-tech wild west gunslinger, packing multiple cellphones and talking up a storm. It was to the point where new Kansas City Chiefs coach Herman Edwards couldn't even get a word in to set up an appointment to talk about Terrell Owens.
"I saw Drew walking by, he had his three phones on, and he said, 'I've got to talk to you,' and I said, 'OK, whenever you stop answering those phones, you can talk to me,'" Edwards says. "We haven't got together yet, but I'm pretty sure he'll talk to (Chiefs president) Carl (Peterson) if there's going to be a conversation, and to this point there has not been."
The Chiefs, Broncos, Dolphins and possibly the Dallas Cowboys are expected to be the competitors for T.O.'s services when he is finally released by the Philadelphia Eagles come the March 3rd start of free agency.
Ramsey's agent looks for trades
taterskins coach Joe Gibbs revealed that the team has given Jimmy Sexton, agent for frustrated quarterback Patrick Ramsey, permission to shop for a deal.
The taterskins are an estimated $20 million over the projected $95 million salary cap and need to clear room by next Friday.
But they are also fairly set at quarterback with Mark Brunell entrenched as the starter and Jason Campbell as the young guy waiting in the wings.
Miami, the New York Jets and possibly the Detroit Lions could be possible destinations for Ramsey.
"With Patrick, we're working with Jimmy Sexton and Patrick and moving ahead, trying to see what opportunities are out there for him and also evaluating what's best for us," Gibbs says. "I'm not sure if anything will get done but we are looking and letting them also look and talk. We'll see and work our way through it.
Has Ramsey formally asked for a trade?
"No," Gibbs says. "I think I know what his feeling is and he knows ours. He's a very important guy and we've invested a lot in him. But we can say he's frustrated with the situation over the last couple years with us. We've had a good game plan talking things over and we're moving ahead with it and we'll see where it ends. I wouldn't have a guess if something is going to work out or not."
Stay tuned.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 25, 2006, 02:10:05 PM
Hello, and welcome to last month, Shorebird!
So, in your own way, your saying it's already been discussed? I haven't been around.
Yeah, Kiper had Holmes as the Eagles' pick in his original mock draft. Check the Kiper thread in the "Rest of the NFL" section for opinions on the kid.
As for TE, I don't understand why we wouldn't be looking at TE's.
Facts:
1. L.J. is a below-average blocker.
2. There is zero depth (literally) behind L.J. as of now on the roster.
3. L.J. has a fumbling problem.
4. An all-around athletic, blocking TE can be lined up almost anywhere and cause a lot of matchup problems.
I know a lot of people are frustrated for whatever reason, but I don't see TE as any worse of a pick than WR or RB. If the best player available is a TE, and the Eagles are on the clock, you grab the bastich.
from ge99:
Eagles spoke to SDSU WR Jeff Webb at the Shrine Bowl (http://www.thedesertsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060223/SPORTS04/602230333/1002)
He ran a 4.36 today. He's 6'2 200lbs and had 92 catches for 1109 yards and 10TDs this year.
Not too shabby. He's already built for the NFL and has excellent speed. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a chance in hell the Eagles will draft him. There are too many other areas on this team that need to be addressed through the draft and WR isn't one that will likely be one of them. At least, not on the first day.
I'd love to see him in an Eagles uni though and if they did pick him up I wouldn't complain one bit.
Oh, they'll draft a WR for sure.
They have, what nine picks so far? Not even counting comps yet. If they get 11 total picks they'll have enough to play with and draft a WR or two.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2006, 03:36:31 PM
Oh, they'll draft a WR for sure.
They have, what nine picks so far? Not even counting comps yet. If they get 11 total picks they'll have enough to play with and draft a WR or two.
I know they're going to draft a reciever. I just don't know if they're going to draft one early in the draft when this dude is likely to be picked. That's all I'm saying.
A tall productive WR?! Be still my beating heart!
QuoteEagles | Team interviews D. Thomas
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:40:48 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Texas TE David Thomas said he was interviewed by the Philadelphia Eagles
QuoteEagles | Team talks with T. Day
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:38:30 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Oregon TE Tim Day said he has talked with the Philadelphia Eagles.
from #1Eaglesfan1973:
The Eagles have met with...
DT - Gabe Watson
CB - Kelly Jennings
LB - Kevin Simon
OL - Charles Spencer
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 26, 2006, 11:03:38 AM
As for TE, I don't understand why we wouldn't be looking at TE's.
Facts:
1. L.J. is a below-average blocker.
2. There is zero depth (literally) behind L.J. as of now on the roster.
3. L.J. has a fumbling problem.
4. An all-around athletic, blocking TE can be lined up almost anywhere and cause a lot of matchup problems.
I know a lot of people are frustrated for whatever reason, but I don't see TE as any worse of a pick than WR or RB. If the best player available is a TE, and the Eagles are on the clock, you grab the bastich.
Well, I gotta say... if the Eagles are looking at TE as hard as they seem to be from all these interviews... Pope would be a helluva pickup. I've watched this kid at UGA the past few years... and I'm not necessarily a 'Dawg fan, but at times, calling him a "beast" doesn't even do him justice. He's fast as hell for a guy his size... and he's got pretty soft hands. Drops a ball here and there... but not to the point to where you can really call it a problem. He's also a pretty good blocker when he's asked to be.
The place where he's really gonna make his money in the NFL is in the red zone. With that size... he'll be deadly there. Think about that... you can literally throw the ball 9-10 feet in the air and he can come down with it. He's also got a massive frame to shield the ball from a defender.
Depends on FA, I guess. If we've got most of our holes sewed up... draft comes around and he's BPA, why the hell not?
I know I'm biased, but this guy is the best TE in the draft according to ESPN and Scouts inc.
From the bio
Vernon Davis
A physically-gifted junior who will look to secure his spot as one of the nation's premier tight ends in 2005 ... had a breakout year in '04 but coaches expect an even bigger impact as his knowledge of the offense continues to improve ... was more of an H-back last year, lining up at tight end, fullback and wide receiver ... could return kicks this year ... has become a complete tight end as he is now an outstanding blocker ... size and speed create matchup problems ... an Iron Terp with the second-highest strength index on the team ... owns school strength records for a tight end in bench (460), power clean (355), vertical jump (40 inches), index (797), squat (685) and 40-yard dash time (4.41) ... all were recorded in spring of 2005.
Due to his physical prowess, it is also anticipated that Davis' stock will only improve with the workouts this week and those of Maryland's Pro Day on March 15 (closed to the public). Davis is currently featured on the NFL's Draft website.
Whats not to like. OK, so tell me he's already been discussed.
QuoteEagles | Team meets with Wilkinson
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:44:48 -0800
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports Georgia Tech LB Gerris Wilkinson said he met with the Philadelphia Eagles at the Combine.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2006, 04:33:18 PM
from #1Eaglesfan1973:
The Eagles have met with...
confirmed
QuoteEagles | K. Simon meets with team
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:18:26 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Tennessee LB Kevin Simon said he met with the Philadelphia Eagles.
QuoteEagles | Team talks with K. Jennings
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:35:53 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Miami CB Kelly Jennings said he met with the Philadelphia Eagles.
QuoteEagles | Team meets with Watson
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:29:57 -0800
During his NFL Combine interview, Michigan DT Gabe Watson said he met with the Philadelphia Eagles at the Combine.
Watson also said that his agent will be Rosenhaus...
Quote from: shorebird on February 26, 2006, 10:03:10 PM
Vernon Davis
A physically-gifted junior who will look to secure his spot as one of the nation's premier tight ends in 2005 ... had a breakout year in '04 but coaches expect an even bigger impact as his knowledge of the offense continues to improve ... was more of an H-back last year, lining up at tight end, fullback and wide receiver ... could return kicks this year ... has become a complete tight end as he is now an outstanding blocker ... size and speed create matchup problems ... an Iron Terp with the second-highest strength index on the team ... owns school strength records for a tight end in bench (460), power clean (355), vertical jump (40 inches), index (797), squat (685) and 40-yard dash time (4.41) ... all were recorded in spring of 2005.
Ran a 4.38 at the combine.
v. davis :drool
has anyone ever seen the videos of vernon davis at maryland setting all the weight lifting records...his body is insane (no homo)...jevon kearse should be forced to give up his nickname the minute vd enters the league
vd entered the league a long time ago, dude.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2006, 11:16:15 AM
jevon kearse should be forced to give up his nickname the minute vd enters the league
Jevon Kearse hasn't deserved that nickname for 4 years now.
Broderick Bunkley, all 6'2 306 of him, just ran a 4.99 to go along with his 44 reps.
His stock will be pushing up closer to #14 now. He's like Mike Patterson on crack.
I'm like Cupid these days with all of this lovin...I'm running out of arrows to shoot.
I love Bunkley and if they took him I wouldn't mind it one bit.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2006, 11:16:59 AM
vd entered the league a long time ago, dude.
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/26/260735.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 11:30:42 AM
I'm like Cupid these days with all of this lovin...I'm running out of arrows to shoot.
I love Bunkley and if they took him I wouldn't mind it one bit.
Me neither. I might even prefer that to going after Rocky Bernard in FA.
Quote from: shorebird on February 25, 2006, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 25, 2006, 02:10:05 PM
Hello, and welcome to last month, Shorebird!
So, in your own way, your saying it's already been discussed? I haven't been around.
if you're not on the internet at least 12 hours a day, you are a certifiable loser. w00t!
if you're not on the internet at least 12 hours a day, you are a certifiable loser
that and you need a new job
holy effin ish
i wonder if anyone in combine history has ever had a 33 bench rep...sub 4.40 combo before...vd really is a cyborg
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2006, 11:39:51 AM
holy effin ish
i wonder if anyone in combine history has ever had a 33 bench rep...sub 4.40 combo before...vd really is a cyborg
And a 10'8" broad jump.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 11:25:51 AM
Broderick Bunkley, all 6'2 306 of him, just ran a 4.99 to go along with his 44 reps.
4.95 on his second run
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2006, 11:39:51 AM
holy effin ish
i wonder if anyone in combine history has ever had a 33 bench rep...sub 4.40 combo before...vd really is a cyborg
He's no Robocop.
Just watched Bunkley in wave drills... looked pretty damn good. Nice change of direction... kept his body control. Looked mean as farg while he did it too. :yay
9 feet 5 inches in the broad jump for Bunkley... explosive. :yay
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 27, 2006, 01:16:56 PM
9 feet 5 inches in the broad jump for Bunkley... explosive. :yay
Workout warriors, no matter how productive, always scare me.
Quote"It was kind of crazy, sitting in front of big-time NFL coaches; Chicago with Lovie Smith, Cincinnati with Marvin Lewis, Philadelphia with Andy Reid,'' Scheffler said. "The first one, with Philadelphia, was kind of stressful, but after that they seemed to go pretty well.''
Western Mich TE Tony Scheffler
"Draft Buzz" from the Sporting News, Mark Eckel wrote:
Quote
DRAFT BUZZ
The Eagles fell for Oregon defensive tackle Haloti Ngata at the Scouting Combines, but they know he will be gone by the 14th overall pick. They could try to move up in the first round to get him. If they packaged their first and second-round picks, it could get them to Oakland's No. 7 pick, just ahead of Buffalo at No. 8, where Ngata has been projected to go. If that strategy fails, the Eagles could go the other way, trade down in the first round and select from this group of defensive tackles--Michigan's Gabe Watson, Texas' Rod Wright, Miami's Orien Harris and LSU's Claude Wroten
Odd that there is no mention of Bunkley though....
Ngata or Bunkley?
I think I would go with Bunkley.
I could see any number of scenarios in which Eckel could be wrong... most notably:
A. He just guessed as usual.
B. The Eagles are using his "inside scoop" and threw the scent in the direction of Ngata.
I can't see them trading up for him, but he's going to be a good NFL player.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 06, 2006, 06:45:40 PM
I could see any number of scenarios in which Eckel could be wrong... most notably:
A. He just guessed as usual.
B. The Eagles are using his "inside scoop" and threw the scent in the direction of Ngata.
I can't see them trading up for him, but he's going to be a good NFL player.
No doubt, but after watching and reading a lot about Bunkley, I think Bunkley will wind up being a better DT, but I think Ngata is a better DT right now.
Ngata is the kind of player who will probably never make a pro-bowl. Never make a ludicrous amount of money and most people will only remember him as the dude who was a top ten draft pick and never had more than 3 sacks in a season. But he will almost certainly make any team he ever plays on better at stopping the run. I don't think it would make sense to trade up for him, but if he fell in their laps it would be rather awesome.
I'd take either one of 'em.
Ngata is a fargin load (338lbs) and can move.
Bunkley is a stud too.
Gimme the more athletic one of the two with the higher ceiling.
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/fsu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/281633.jpeg)
If the Eagles are going to trade up, I'm much rather see them get high enough to get Mario Williams.
Next Level Scouting (http://www.nextlevelscoutinginc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=1&PHPSESSID=3d0a5b605d2f88730023fca269ecffa9)
QuoteHere is a team-by-team list of "Players of Interest" for each team who either spent occasions speaking to all the players listed one-or-more times after one-or-several practices, back in the respective hotel lobbies, in official/un-official meeting/hotel rooms or at the very least requested to speak further with the players after they completed a team profile sheet during the two week evaluation process that took place in mid-to-late January. We have also added a handful of Underclassmen who were interviewed during the week of one of the two games or contacted themselves or through their agents during that period of time.
These are the players who were not already on the list on page 1. Some of the guys on NLS's list we already knew about.
Reggie McNeal, QB, Texas A&M, QB
Bruce Gradkowski, QB, Toledo
Paul Pinegar, QB, Fresno State
Tarvaris Jackson, QB, Alabama State
Joseph Addai, RB, LSU
Leon Washington, RB, Florida State
Taurean Henderson, RB, Texas Tech
Gilbert Harris, FB/RB, Arizona
Travis Wilson, WR, Oklahoma
Greg Jennings, WR, Western Michigan
Todd Watkins, WR, BYU
Mike Haas, WR, Oregon State
Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado
Ryan O'Callaghan, OT, California
Jeremy Trueblood, OT, Boston College
Joe Toledo, OT, Washington
Chris Kuper, OL, North Dakota
Isaac Sowells, OL, Indiana
Mark Setterstrom, OG, Minnesota
Kevin Boothe G/T, Cornell
Jason Spitz, G/C, Louisville
Mark Anderson, DE, Alabama
Kamerion Wimberly, DE/OLB, Florida State
Kyle Williams, DT, LSU
Parys Haralson, DE/OLB, Tennessee
Eric Henderson, DE, Georgia Tech
James Wyche, DE, Syracuse
Frostee Rucker, DE, USC
DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama
Thomas Howard, LB, Texas-El Paso
Rocky McIntosh, LB, Miami, FL
Brandon Hoyte, LB, Notre Dame
James Anderson, LB, Virginia Tech
Paul Szczesny, LB, Arizona State/Indiana
Tim Jennings, CB/KR, Georgia
Gerrick McPhearson, CB, Maryland
Justin Wyatt, CB, Southern Cal
Danieal Manning, CB/RT, Abilene Christian
Antonio Cromartie, CB/RT, Florida State
Roman Harper, S, Alabama
Charlie Peprah, S, Alabama
Nate Salley, S, Ohio State
Dawan Landry, S, Georgia Tech
Dwayne Slay, S, Texas Tech
Josh Huston, K, Ohio State
Jonathan Scifres, K, SW Missouri State
Thomas Olsted, P, Troy
John Torp, P, Colorado
Links courtesy of ge99:
Bruce Eugene - QB - Grambling (http://www.thenewsstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060305/SPORTS/603050338/1006)
QuoteEugene, who trimmed 40 pounds of excess weight in off-season training, gained a rare invite to the scouting combine in Indianapolis last week. Now, he's setting up individual follow-up tryouts with select teams — including a session with the Philadelphia Eagles on March 17
Bruce Gradkowski - QB - Toledo (http://utrockets.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/030206aaa.html)
QuoteGradkowski said he had the opportunity to talk with representatives from virtually every NFL team. "I met with 28 quarterback coaches and a bunch of offensive coordinators," said Gradkowski. "I met with a group of coaches from the Philadelphia Eagles. (Eagles' Head Coach) Andy Reid even had me draw up a play on the board."
Awesome to see that the Bruce is on that list. He is my stone-cold lock for one of the Eagles' picks this year.
Another thing I noticed right away....a ton of LBs in there......but no mention of Chad Greenway. I like that.
McNabb
Garcia
Gradkowski
(http://www.covers.com/images/2004/gradkowski_bruce041102.jpg)
Greenway is on there. I just didn't list him because he is already on the main list.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 06, 2006, 11:22:46 PM
Greenway is on there. I just didn't list him because he is already on the main list.
He probably isn't now. I hope.
QuoteEugene, who trimmed 40 pounds of excess weight in off-season training, gained a rare invite to the scouting combine in Indianapolis last week. Now, he's setting up individual follow-up tryouts with select teams — including a session with the Philadelphia Eagles on March 17
40 lbs.? How big was he?
Quote from: NGM on February 27, 2006, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 27, 2006, 01:16:56 PM
9 feet 5 inches in the broad jump for Bunkley... explosive. :yay
Workout warriors, no matter how productive, always scare me.
So you would rather have a productive guy in college who stinks it up at the combine?
Quote from: Don Ho on March 06, 2006, 11:29:29 PM
QuoteEugene, who trimmed 40 pounds of excess weight in off-season training, gained a rare invite to the scouting combine in Indianapolis last week. Now, he's setting up individual follow-up tryouts with select teams — including a session with the Philadelphia Eagles on March 17
40 lbs.? How big was he?
reminded me of Jared Lorenzen without the height.
QuoteSo you would rather have a productive guy in college who stinks it up at the combine?
I would. A productive player indicates an ability to actually play the game. Measurables have value, but not nearly as much value as actual production on the field. Remember when Terrell Suggs stunk it up at the combine and he dropped in the first round? He was productive in college but didn't measure well at the combine. He's had 30+ sacks in three years. Production, to me, is WAY more important than workout numbers.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 07, 2006, 09:42:12 AM
I would. A productive player indicates an ability to actually play the game. Measurables have value, but not nearly as much value as actual production on the field. Remember when Terrell Suggs stunk it up at the combine and he dropped in the first round? He was productive in college but didn't measure well at the combine. He's had 30+ sacks in three years. Production, to me, is WAY more important than workout numbers.
so it would matter more to you that a college quarterback completes 65% of his passes and throws for 3,000 yards while running for just under a 1,000 than scoring a 6 on his wonderlic test?
Oh shtein I'm trapped!
I would say that QB is a different beast since LOTS of productive college qbs don't live up to their numbers in the pros (especially QBs with awful throwing motions who tend to run under pressure and aren't the brightest, but I digress...), but your point is taken.
I still say production is more important at other (especially defensive) positions. Ass.
i agree with you. i was just pointing out that Vince Young was very productive in college. but you're right, QB's are different. just ask Danny Weurffel, David Klingler, Gino Terretta.
Andre Ware.
Rick Mirer
Ron Powlus
Berwick, represent.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 07, 2006, 09:42:12 AM
QuoteSo you would rather have a productive guy in college who stinks it up at the combine?
I would. A productive player indicates an ability to actually play the game. Measurables have value, but not nearly as much value as actual production on the field. Remember when Terrell Suggs stunk it up at the combine and he dropped in the first round? He was productive in college but didn't measure well at the combine. He's had 30+ sacks in three years. Production, to me, is WAY more important than workout numbers.
yeah, I was referring to NGM saying it didnt matter how productive they were.
Quote from: NGM on February 27, 2006, 01:19:28 PM
Workout warriors, no matter how productive, always scare me.
More or less saying that if there were two players who had equal production on the field, one would rather have the player who did worse in workouts.
The issue with guys with good workouts is that it makes it harder to accurately evaluate these kids as football players, because the teams are so blinded by athletic ability.
I'm guilty of this with a guy like Bunkley. But before the combine, I thought he'd be a good fit in the Eagles system if they traded down for him. Now, I think getting him at 14 would be great... but he's no better a player than he was before.
Thats because it is just about impossible to make a guy more athletic than he is naturally. It is easier to coach a player into becoming much better through their techniques and mental preperation.. There are examples of this all over the NFL.
Kiper has the Eagles taking Ernie Sims/LB/FSU in his latest mock:
1. Houston Reggie Bush, RB* USC
2. New Orleans Matt Leinart, QB USC
3. Tennessee Vince Young, QB* Texas
4. N.Y. Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T Virginia
5. Green Bay Mario Williams, DE* NC State
6. San Francisco A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio St.
7. Oakland Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
8. Buffalo Haloti Ngata, DT* Oregon
9. Detroit Michael Huff, DB Texas
10. Arizona LenDale White, RB* USC
11. St. Louis Vernon Davis, TE* Maryland
12. Cleveland Tamba Hali, DE Penn St.
13. Baltimore Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida St.
14. Philadelphia Ernie Sims, LB* Florida St.
15. Atlanta Johnathan Joseph, CB* South Carolina
16. Miami Winston Justice, T* USC
17. Minnesota DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
18. Dallas Chad Jackson, WR* Florida
19. San Diego Santonio Holmes, WR* Ohio St.
20. Kansas City Tye Hill, CB Clemson
21. New England Ashton Youboty, CB* Ohio St.
22. Denver (from WSH) Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
23. Tampa Bay Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
24. Cincinnati Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech
25. N.Y. Giants Kelly Jennings, CB Miami
26. Chicago Dominique Byrd, TE USC
27. Carolina Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
28. Jacksonville DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama
29. Denver Kamerion Wimbley, DE Florida St.
30. Indianapolis Laurence Maroney, RB* Minnesota
31. Seattle Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
32. Pittsburgh Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio St.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 07, 2006, 11:39:24 AM
Kiper has the Eagles taking Ernie Sims/LB/FSU in his latest mock:
He has Jonathon Joseph and Kelly Jennings in the 1st round. He has Joseph over Hill and Jimmy Williams. All this, with Kiwi and Carpenter falling to 31 and 32. His mocks right now are pretty much worthless.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 07, 2006, 11:39:24 AM
Kiper has the Eagles taking Ernie Sims/LB/FSU in his latest mock:
Did you see the feature about college players preparing for the combine last week on "Outside The Lines"? They had a piece on Sims. Guy looks like a stud but once again an under sized LB. From what I saw it appears he has got his shtein together.
Quoteyeah, I was referring to NGM saying it didnt matter how productive they were.
Maybe I wasn't very clear, I wasn't saying I wouldn't want the Eagles to pick that player. What scares me is when someone who was productive, who may be a late 1st early 2nd rounder, all of a sudden jumps up into the middle of the first round because they can bench an arbitrary amount of weights many times. It seems to me that combine stats cause a lot of teams to reach and I wouldn't want the Eagles to do that.
Makes sense. Do you think Bunkley is a prime example of this?
Quote from: MURP on March 07, 2006, 05:28:35 PM
Makes sense. Do you think Bunkley is a prime example of this?
Not necessarily but he makes me nervous (call it neurosis). If Patterson wasn't as successful as he was this year I would probably answer yes to your question. I consider Bunkley and Patterson to be similar players.
That's a huge complement to Bunkley. HUGE!
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 07, 2006, 05:33:45 PM
That's a huge complement to Bunkley. HUGE!
Does Team Patterson support Bunkley?
Team Patterson would love to have Mike lined up next to Brodrick Bunkley. Yes.
I chose Bunkley off the draft list poll we had a few weeks back.... I think he is an untapped talent at this point considering he only really started one full season at FSU. But to set a school record in tackles for a loss in a season at FSU is no small accomplishment. He also had a decent sack total and QB hurry total for a DT. The guy clearly gets penetration quickly. That unknown could also backfire with having a limited time to get a read on the guy. I will say that after having interest in him pre-combine, that interest only intensified after the combine workouts. Bunkley really looked like a beast out there compared to some of the other players.
DT in the first round would get a thumbs up from me. Along with OT, RB or LB. Andy Reid cares what I think.
Quote from: MURP on March 07, 2006, 05:54:14 PM
I chose Bunkley off the draft list poll we had a few weeks back.... I think he is an untapped talent at this point considering he only really started one full season at FSU. But to set a school record in tackles for a loss in a season at FSU is no small accomplishment. He also had a decent sack total and QB hurry total for a DT. The guy clearly gets penetration quickly. That unknown could also backfire with having a limited time to get a read on the guy. I will say that after having interest in him pre-combine, that interest only intensified after the combine workouts. Bunkley really looked like a beast out there compared to some of the other players.
Same here. I had an interest in the kid because I figured as far as drafting DT's, he was the best of the bunch, including Ngata, who I feel is a tad overrated. He's also the DT we had/have the most realistic shot at taking. I've watched a number of FSU games this past year... and the guy was a handful in just about every one. Like MURP said, he gets penetration consistently, plays the run well, and I don't recall seeing him quit on any plays. So I already thought that the kid was a very talented DT. Of course, seeing him prove to be the most athletic DT at the combine only made me like him even more and I would love to see him and Patterson tearing up the middle of opposing O-lines for us for years.
I get what NGM is saying... but IMO this ain't no Mike Mamula. Bunkley looks to be the real deal.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 07, 2006, 06:03:11 PM
DT in the first round would get a thumbs up from me. Along with OT, RB or LB. Andy Reid cares what I think.
As do we.
Oooh. BURN!
(Sirius) Indiana DE Victor Adeyanu just mentioned the Eagles as one of the teams most interested in him.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 08, 2006, 12:27:42 PM
(Sirius) Indiana DE Victor Adeyanu just mentioned the Eagles as one of the teams most interested in him.
Yay?
From USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2006-02-23-top-64_x.htm)
Quote49. Victor Adeyanju, DE, Indiana, 6-4, 268, 4.60, 2
Possibly the best defensive end no one is talking about. Held his own at Senior Bowl playing alongside Tamba Hali and Mathias Kiwanuka. Born in Nigeria. Was highly recruited high school prospect, but broken leg during his senior season caused many schools to look elsewhere.
Possible 2nd or 3rd rounder I guess.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 08, 2006, 12:32:16 PM
From USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2006-02-23-top-64_x.htm)
Quote49. Victor Adeyanju, DE, Indiana, 6-4, 268, 4.60, 2
Possibly the best defensive end no one is talking about. Held his own at Senior Bowl playing alongside Tamba Hali and Mathias Kiwanuka. Born in Nigeria. Was highly recruited high school prospect, but broken leg during his senior season caused many schools to look elsewhere.
Possible 2nd or 3rd rounder I guess.
No wonder the Eagles are interested.
I think he broke his leg in High School, not college.
Only thing I could really find on the guy from NFLDraftForecast:
Quote
Victor Adeyanju | #94
Defensive End - Indiana
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 275
A bundle of fine triangle numbers, Victor Adeyanju can be one of the more attractive prospects at the defensive end position and if he ends up a second day pick, whoever gets him will get a sleeper and a steal. Adeyanju is a remarkable athlete who is able to use is athletic upside to full circles. The scariest thing is that he knows how to combine his great size and excellent athleticism into one and with a mediocre physical game to boot. He is a quick mover who can change directions nicely and has great ball pursuit skills. He can chase down the ball from the opposite side of the field and uses his excellent short area and mid length speed to do so. He is strong and can be dominate against a lot of offensive lineman. He has the potential to be one of the best pass rushers out of this year's draft class. He still needs to get a little better physically as he is not totally overpowering against smaller offensive lineman; though he has the potential to do so. He always has some problems with his technique and isn't terrific, as he isn't able to really beat out offensive lineman with swim moves and rips. As of now, I think Adeyanju is an early day two pick, but could easily move his way into the first day with a strong showing at the combine.
Strengths:
• Tremendous athlete
• Nice size; uses it to his advantage
• Has good range; top notch ball pursuit skills
Weaknesses:
• Isn't totally dominate for a man his size
• Needs to get a little more physical
• His technique is okay at best
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 08, 2006, 12:27:42 PM
(Sirius) Indiana DE Victor Adeyanu just mentioned the Eagles as one of the teams most interested in him.
Nice.
Maybe he can be like the last good DE to come out of Indiana (Ogunleye...)
If they can get a WR and DE with their 2nd and 3rd picks I would be rather thrilled. I'm starting to lean towards DT in the first. Add a real LB, TheCharles and Mike Anderson to the haul and my offseason erection might poke all of your eyes out.
Link courtesy of ge99:
Davin Joseph diary (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=69707)
QuoteToday I worked out for the Philadelphia Eagles and the New England Patriots with Chris Chester. We ran basic blocking drills, and I just tried to make myself look as appealing as possible
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2006, 10:18:45 PM
Link courtesy of ge99:
Davin Joseph diary (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=69707)
QuoteToday I worked out for the Philadelphia Eagles and the New England Patriots with Chris Chester. We ran basic blocking drills, and I just tried to make myself look as appealing as possible
QuoteThis afternoon I had to go to the doctor to get a new mouthpiece fitted for my sleep apnea.
fits what the Eagles look for.
LMFAO!
I thought you were kidding, MURP.
:-D :-D :-D
I'm hearing the Eagles have been talking with Quinton Porter, QB out of BC.
I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Porter as an UDFA but if we use a draft pick on him I'll take a shtein in Andy Reid's cheesesteak
guy on kffl posted this list of players the Eagles have talked to, but he didnt post a source. If anyone knows where it is from please post a link.
QuoteQuarterback
DJ Shockley - Georgia
Michael Robinson - Penn State
Marcus Vick - Virginia Tech
Reggie McNeal - Texas A&M
Bruce Gradkowski - Toledo
Paul Pinegar - Fresno State
Tarvaris Jackson - Alabama State
Bruce Eugene - Grambling
Running Backs
Mike Bell - Arizona
Jerome Harrison - Washington State
Joseph Addai - LSU
Leon Washington - Florida State
Taurean Henderson - Texas Tech
Andre Hall - South Florida
Full Backs
Garrett Mills - Tulsa
Gilbert Harris - Arizona
Wide Receiver
Brandon Williams - Wisconsin
Jonathan Orr - Wisconsin
David Andreson - Colorado State
Hank Baskett - New Mexico
Jason Avant - Michigan
Marques Colston - Hofstra
Maurice Stovall - Notre Dame
Miles Austin - Monmouth
Ben Obomanu - Auburn
Anthony Mix - Auburn
Jeff Webb - San Diego State
Travis Wilson - Oklahoma
Greg Jennings - Western Michigan
Todd Watkins - BYU
Mike Haas - Oregon State
Chad Jackson - Florida
Tight Ends
Leonard Pope - Georgia
Jeff King - Virginia Tech
David Thomas - Texas
Tim Day - Oregon
Tony Scheffler - Western Michigan
Joe Klopfenstein - Colorado
Offensive Line
Josh Martin (OT) - Duquesne
Eric Winston (OT) - Miami
Max Jean-Gilles (OG) - Georgia
Marcus McNeill (OT) - Auburn
Nick Mangold [C] - Ohio State
Charles Spencer (OG) - Pittsburgh
Ryan O'Callaghan (OT) - California
Jeremy Trueblood (OT) - Boston College
Joe Toledo (OT) - Washington
Chris Kuper (OG) - North Dakota
Isaac Sowells (OT) - Indiana
Mark Setterstrom (OG) - Minnesota
Kevin Boothe (OG) - Cornell
Jason Spitz (OG) - Louisville
Josh Bourke (OT) - Grand Valley State
Davin Joseph (OG) - Oklahoma
Chris Chester [OG/C] - Oklahoma
Defensive End
Mark Anderson - Alabama
Tamba Hali - Penn State
Kamerion Wimberly - Florida State
Parys Haralson - Tennessee
Eric Henderson - Georgia Tech
James Wyche - Syracuse
Frostee Rucker - USC
Defensive Tackle
Jesse Mahelona - Tennessee
Tommy Jackson - Auburn
Brodrick Bunkley - Florida State
Jonathan Lewis - Virginia Tech
Johnny Jolly - Texas A&M
Gabe Watson - Michigan
Kyle Williams - LSU
Linebacker
Thomas Howard - UTEP
Gerris Wilkinson - Georgia Tech
Chad Greenway - Iowa
Kevin Simon - Tennessee
DeMeco Ryans - Alabama
Rocky McIntosh - Miami
Brandon Hoyte - Notre Dame
James Anderson - Virginia Tech
Jon Alston - Stanford
Paul Szczesny - Indiana/Arizona State
Cornerback
Kelly Jennings - Miami
David Pittman - Northwestern State
Tye Hill - Clemson
Anwar Phillips - Penn State
Tim Jennings - Georgia
Gerrick McPhearson - Maryland
Justin Wyatt - USC
Danieal Manning - Abilene Christian
Antonio Cromartie - Florida State
Safety
Roman Harper - Alabama
Charlie Peprah - Alabama
Nate Salley - Ohio State
Dawan Landry - Georgia Tech
Dwayne Slay - Texas Tech
Specialists
Josh Huston (K) - Ohio State
Jonathan Scifres (K) - Misouri State
Thomas Olsted (P) - Troy State
John Torp (P) - Colorado
Ryan Plackemeier (P) - Wake Forest
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That list looks similar to the one ge99 posted on EMB but it isn't exact...
damn how many picks do the eagles have?
Quote from: MURP on March 20, 2006, 10:07:57 AM
guy on kffl posted this list of players the Eagles have talked to, but he didnt post a source. If anyone knows where it is from please post a link.
QuoteQuarterback
DJ Shockley - Georgia
Michael Robinson - Penn State
Marcus Vick - Virginia Tech
Reggie McNeal - Texas A&M
Bruce Gradkowski - Toledo
Paul Pinegar - Fresno State
Tarvaris Jackson - Alabama State
Bruce Eugene - Grambling
Running Backs
Mike Bell - Arizona
Jerome Harrison - Washington State
Joseph Addai - LSU
Leon Washington - Florida State
Taurean Henderson - Texas Tech
Andre Hall - South Florida
Full Backs
Garrett Mills - Tulsa
Gilbert Harris - Arizona
Wide Receiver
Brandon Williams - Wisconsin
Jonathan Orr - Wisconsin
David Andreson - Colorado State
Hank Baskett - New Mexico
Jason Avant - Michigan
Marques Colston - Hofstra
Maurice Stovall - Notre Dame
Miles Austin - Monmouth
Ben Obomanu - Auburn
Anthony Mix - Auburn
Jeff Webb - San Diego State
Travis Wilson - Oklahoma
Greg Jennings - Western Michigan
Todd Watkins - BYU
Mike Haas - Oregon State
Chad Jackson - Florida
Tight Ends
Leonard Pope - Georgia
Jeff King - Virginia Tech
David Thomas - Texas
Tim Day - Oregon
Tony Scheffler - Western Michigan
Joe Klopfenstein - Colorado
Offensive Line
Josh Martin (OT) - Duquesne
Eric Winston (OT) - Miami
Max Jean-Gilles (OG) - Georgia
Marcus McNeill (OT) - Auburn
Nick Mangold [C] - Ohio State
Charles Spencer (OG) - Pittsburgh
Ryan O'Callaghan (OT) - California
Jeremy Trueblood (OT) - Boston College
Joe Toledo (OT) - Washington
Chris Kuper (OG) - North Dakota
Isaac Sowells (OT) - Indiana
Mark Setterstrom (OG) - Minnesota
Kevin Boothe (OG) - Cornell
Jason Spitz (OG) - Louisville
Josh Bourke (OT) - Grand Valley State
Davin Joseph (OG) - Oklahoma
Chris Chester [OG/C] - Oklahoma
Defensive End
Mark Anderson - Alabama
Tamba Hali - Penn State
Kamerion Wimberly - Florida State
Parys Haralson - Tennessee
Eric Henderson - Georgia Tech
James Wyche - Syracuse
Frostee Rucker - USC
Defensive Tackle
Jesse Mahelona - Tennessee
Tommy Jackson - Auburn
Brodrick Bunkley - Florida State
Jonathan Lewis - Virginia Tech
Johnny Jolly - Texas A&M
Gabe Watson - Michigan
Kyle Williams - LSU
Linebacker
Thomas Howard - UTEP
Gerris Wilkinson - Georgia Tech
Chad Greenway - Iowa
Kevin Simon - Tennessee
DeMeco Ryans - Alabama
Rocky McIntosh - Miami
Brandon Hoyte - Notre Dame
James Anderson - Virginia Tech
Jon Alston - Stanford
Paul Szczesny - Indiana/Arizona State
Cornerback
Kelly Jennings - Miami
David Pittman - Northwestern State
Tye Hill - Clemson
Anwar Phillips - Penn State
Tim Jennings - Georgia
Gerrick McPhearson - Maryland
Justin Wyatt - USC
Danieal Manning - Abilene Christian
Antonio Cromartie - Florida State
Safety
Roman Harper - Alabama
Charlie Peprah - Alabama
Nate Salley - Ohio State
Dawan Landry - Georgia Tech
Dwayne Slay - Texas Tech
Specialists
Josh Huston (K) - Ohio State
Jonathan Scifres (K) - Misouri State
Thomas Olsted (P) - Troy State
John Torp (P) - Colorado
Ryan Plackemeier (P) - Wake Forest
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......pretty much the entire combine. Hmmm..which one to pick...decisions decisions
once again, KFFL comes through for us Eagles fans with useless insight on draft day plans.
What are the odds that the Eagles 1st and 2nd round picks are not on that list? They are good, I'd say.
Quote from: MURP on March 20, 2006, 10:07:57 AM
guy on kffl posted this list of players the Eagles have talked to, but he didnt post a source. If anyone knows where it is from please post a link.
QuoteQuarterback
DJ Shockley - Georgia
Michael Robinson - Penn State
Marcus Vick - Virginia Tech
Reggie McNeal - Texas A&M
Bruce Gradkowski - Toledo
Paul Pinegar - Fresno State
Tarvaris Jackson - Alabama State
Bruce Eugene - Grambling
Running Backs
Mike Bell - Arizona
Jerome Harrison - Washington State
Joseph Addai - LSU
Leon Washington - Florida State
Taurean Henderson - Texas Tech
Andre Hall - South Florida
Full Backs
Garrett Mills - Tulsa
Gilbert Harris - Arizona
Wide Receiver
Brandon Williams - Wisconsin
Jonathan Orr - Wisconsin
David Andreson - Colorado State
Hank Baskett - New Mexico
Jason Avant - Michigan
Marques Colston - Hofstra
Maurice Stovall - Notre Dame
Miles Austin - Monmouth
Ben Obomanu - Auburn
Anthony Mix - Auburn
Jeff Webb - San Diego State
Travis Wilson - Oklahoma
Greg Jennings - Western Michigan
Todd Watkins - BYU
Mike Haas - Oregon State
Chad Jackson - Florida
Tight Ends
Leonard Pope - Georgia
Jeff King - Virginia Tech
David Thomas - Texas
Tim Day - Oregon
Tony Scheffler - Western Michigan
Joe Klopfenstein - Colorado
Offensive Line
Josh Martin (OT) - Duquesne
Eric Winston (OT) - Miami
Max Jean-Gilles (OG) - Georgia
Marcus McNeill (OT) - Auburn
Nick Mangold [C] - Ohio State
Charles Spencer (OG) - Pittsburgh
Ryan O'Callaghan (OT) - California
Jeremy Trueblood (OT) - Boston College
Joe Toledo (OT) - Washington
Chris Kuper (OG) - North Dakota
Isaac Sowells (OT) - Indiana
Mark Setterstrom (OG) - Minnesota
Kevin Boothe (OG) - Cornell
Jason Spitz (OG) - Louisville
Josh Bourke (OT) - Grand Valley State
Davin Joseph (OG) - Oklahoma
Chris Chester [OG/C] - Oklahoma
Defensive End
Mark Anderson - Alabama
Tamba Hali - Penn State
Kamerion Wimberly - Florida State
Parys Haralson - Tennessee
Eric Henderson - Georgia Tech
James Wyche - Syracuse
Frostee Rucker - USC
Defensive Tackle
Jesse Mahelona - Tennessee
Tommy Jackson - Auburn
Brodrick Bunkley - Florida State
Jonathan Lewis - Virginia Tech
Johnny Jolly - Texas A&M
Gabe Watson - Michigan
Kyle Williams - LSU
Linebacker
Thomas Howard - UTEP
Gerris Wilkinson - Georgia Tech
Chad Greenway - Iowa
Kevin Simon - Tennessee
DeMeco Ryans - Alabama
Rocky McIntosh - Miami
Brandon Hoyte - Notre Dame
James Anderson - Virginia Tech
Jon Alston - Stanford
Paul Szczesny - Indiana/Arizona State
Cornerback
Kelly Jennings - Miami
David Pittman - Northwestern State
Tye Hill - Clemson
Anwar Phillips - Penn State
Tim Jennings - Georgia
Gerrick McPhearson - Maryland
Justin Wyatt - USC
Danieal Manning - Abilene Christian
Antonio Cromartie - Florida State
Safety
Roman Harper - Alabama
Charlie Peprah - Alabama
Nate Salley - Ohio State
Dawan Landry - Georgia Tech
Dwayne Slay - Texas Tech
Specialists
Josh Huston (K) - Ohio State
Jonathan Scifres (K) - Misouri State
Thomas Olsted (P) - Troy State
John Torp (P) - Colorado
Ryan Plackemeier (P) - Wake Forest
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That's the list I have on the 1st page of this thread. I can tell because of the [C] thing I put by the centers because if you use () it'll be a coptright symbol.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 01:47:55 PMThat's the list I have on the 1st page of this thread. I can tell because of the [C] thing I put by the centers because if you use () it'll be a coptright symbol.
nice, you are now a secret source on another board, sweet dude.
ha. thats classic. sorry Phreak, I hadnt gone back to look at the first page of this thread.
Sweet!
I made the big time. I am sourced out!
Most of the credit goes to ge99 and #1Eaglesfan1973 though. ge99 finds some good articles in all the papers he reads and #1 has a membership to scout.com.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 20, 2006, 11:22:25 AM
What are the odds that the Eagles 1st and 2nd round picks are not on that list? They are good, I'd say.
We wouldn't have it any other way. I am already preparing for it.
Todd Watkins BYU WR will be in camp - mark it down in your book of mormon or whatever it is they read(or did I mean Reid) ;)
Quote from: MURP on March 20, 2006, 02:36:11 PM
ha. thats classic. sorry Phreak, I hadnt gone back to look at the first page of this thread.
All good. Like I said..most of it is from ge99 and #1EF. I just help keep track for us CF'ers.
QuoteEagles | Team in attendance at Bennett's Pro Day
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:24:33 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles were in attendance at the Pro Day workout of Lafayette College LB Maurice Bennett.
NFL | M. Bennett workout details
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:02:35 -0800
Lafayette College LB Maurice Bennett measured in at 5-10 1/4 and 229.6 pounds at his Pro Day Friday, March 17. He did 23 reps in bench press drills, had a 32" vertical jump, a 9-foot-5 broad jump, a 4.15 short-shuttle and had a 40-yard dash time of 4.72. He was a Division I-AA All American and Buchanan Award finalist
From DraftDaddy:
QuoteOregon quarterback Kellen Clemens ran a 4.96 40 at the schools' Pro Day. He has set up private workouts with the following teams: Eagles, Chiefs, Bengals and Rams.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 04:19:07 PM
QuoteEagles | Team in attendance at Bennett's Pro Day
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:24:33 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles were in attendance at the Pro Day workout of Lafayette College LB Maurice Bennett.
NFL | M. Bennett workout details
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:02:35 -0800
Lafayette College LB Maurice Bennett measured in at 5-10 1/4 and 229.6 pounds at his Pro Day Friday, March 17. He did 23 reps in bench press drills, had a 32" vertical jump, a 9-foot-5 broad jump, a 4.15 short-shuttle and had a 40-yard dash time of 4.72. He was a Division I-AA All American and Buchanan Award finalist
Could this be the next Dexter Coakly? I could live with that.
from that list, looks like eagles looked at OT and WR the most. i am cool wit dat
For whatever it's worth.. dude on KFFL heard on Sirius radio that Sinorce Moss had a private workout in Philly yesterday.
Quote from: MURP on March 22, 2006, 11:35:42 AM
For whatever it's worth.. dude on KFFL heard on Sirius radio that Sinorce Moss had a private workout in Philly yesterday.
Does he return punts? I am intrigued by his skillset... however he would be a massive reach at #14 and will be gone by the Eagles 2nd rounder, so we'd be talking about a tradedown in the 1st or a tradeup in the 2nd.
id love me some sinorice moss...dood is a straight baller....could be a playmaker of which the eagles have never had...including TO...unfortunately he just doesnt seem like an andy reid type of guy
Does he return punts? I am intrigued by his skillset... however he would be a massive reach at #14 and will be gone by the Eagles 2nd rounder, so we'd be talking about a tradedown in the 1st or a tradeup in the 2nd.
he has returned punts but didnt do it a lot the last couple years because devin hester was the truth...but he certainly can...id be all for a tradedown to get moss
is he a reach at #14 or is that about right?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 22, 2006, 11:43:15 AM
is he a reach at #14 or is that about right?
He's a reach anywhere above the early 20's.
hes only a reach if he sucks
the term reach is a mel kiper espn draft created word...it should never be used and it dont mean ish
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 11:58:51 AM
hes only a reach if he sucks
Agreed. If he were to turn out to be the most productive WR in the draft, wouldn't be a reach at all.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 22, 2006, 11:43:15 AM
is he a reach at #14 or is that about right?
reach
The idea of a reach is pretty ridiculous. The Pats 'reached' for an OL last year (Mankins) and he started and was effective for them right off the bat. They got a year-one starter with their first pick and no one had ever heard of the dude before the draft. 'Reaching' is only a factor if you pick someone who ends up sucking hind tit.
Question, if Matt McCoy turns into the next Urlakkkkkkkkkker... would he still be considered a reach?
Seven
They would have made it back to the SB if they hadn't reached for that guy.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 22, 2006, 01:52:03 PM
The idea of a reach is pretty ridiculous.
see: John Harris
Quote from: MURP on March 22, 2006, 01:55:32 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 22, 2006, 01:52:03 PM
The idea of a reach is pretty ridiculous.
see: John Harris
methinks you're confusing "reach" with "bust".
see: John Harris
see: horrible pick in any round
reach is a nerded up draftnik term and you should have a filter for it
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 22, 2006, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: MURP on March 22, 2006, 01:55:32 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 22, 2006, 01:52:03 PM
The idea of a reach is pretty ridiculous.
see: John Harris
methinks you're confusing "reach" with "bust".
nah, just in that case the two were synonymous.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 02:03:15 PM
reach is a nerded up draftnik term and you should have a filter for it
what is the non-nerded up term for selecting a player higher in the draft than scouts and/or other teams would have selected them in?
there isnt one...its called a draft pick
reach is a term that wannabe gm's like mel kiper and gay fans at draft parties who are trying to sound smart drop
is there a term for not picking a guy at a spot hes supposed to go at...whats the opposite of a reach?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 02:10:46 PM
reach is a term that wannabe gm's like mel kiper and gay fans at draft parties who are trying to sound smart drop
you got a lot of anger against mel. :-D
Quote
is there a term for not picking a guy at a spot hes supposed to go at...whats the opposite of a reach?
a special surprise.
a special surprise.
a reach around?
from Mel.
"reach" is kiper's way of saying that a team picked a guy way earlier than his mock draft predicted...so he'd rather say the team screwed up than admit he had the player ranked too low.
Quote from: MURP on March 22, 2006, 01:55:32 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 22, 2006, 01:52:03 PM
The idea of a reach is pretty ridiculous.
see: John Harris
Now there's a name that should be filtered.
If we drafted Sinorice Moss the Romes on ES heads would explode. They want him to team up with his brother in Washington.
I don't know how I'd feel if they drafted him. He could be a very good pR but WR? I don't know.
How are they gonna draft him? They don't have a 1st rounder and their 2nd rounder is pretty late. He'll be long gone before the Skins get a chance to pick him.
They're stupid. They think they'll trade up for him.
Plus what are they gonna do? Massively overpay two free agent WRs and then draft another one in the first round? Makes perfect sense. Christ, those monkeys are farging idiots.
They will run the first 3 OL 3 h-back 4 WR set in NFL history.
Blockers? Who needs blockers? Let Pro Bowler Jason Campbell air it out!
Tony Pauline (TFY Draft.com) on Eagles Live:
- How do the players pro-days affect the Eagles? Well, now Winston Justice and Lendale White will likely be there at 14 now where they might not have been earlier.
- White came in too heavy, but would fill a need.
- Justice's interview didn't go well. He lacked the killer instinct
- Brodrick Bunkley is a top 12 player due to his workouts
- Kamerion Wimbley has gone fron a fringe 1st rounder to a top half of the first round guy (my guess is that he will go to a 3-4 team because he is a rush OLB not a DE)
- AJ Hawk is the best defensive player in the draft
- Brodrick Bunkley would be a great pick if he is there at 14. He is the second best DT
- Would the Eagles spend another 1st round pick on an undersized pass rushing DT after doing that last year?
- DT depth in draft is not deep. Some of the guys later on have character issues like Gabe Watson.
- A great year for OLBs. Bobby Carpenter may not be there in the 2nd round for the Eagles. He is a perfect SAM. They would likely have to trade up. Likely gone in the 1st ten picks of the second round.
- Clint Ingram from OK is another SAM to watch out for (6'1 244)
- Usually there are 30-35 WRs drafted but teams are struggling to fill a 25 man board with WRs. Poor class overall depth wise.
- Eagles LOVE Maurice Stovall's height, YAC and blocking. Could be the Birds #2 pick.
- Most personnel guys love the second and third round guys. Think the draft is very deep in the middle rounds and that first day talent can spill over into the 4th round. So the Eagles having 6 picks in the first four rounds is very good.
- Jimmy Williams from VaTech could slide out of the top 10 into the Eagles area.
thanks for the update Phreak
Also said that Vince Young was literally booed by scouts when he announced he would not run his 40. Then Vince decided to run and didn't do well (4.58). he is not a top 3 pick. He will go from 7-9.
We have to hope he slides and that the Ravens get him. If he Ravens get him that will free up Bunkley, IMO.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 08:27:18 AM
They will run the first 3 OL 3 h-back 4 WR set in NFL history.
Blockers? Who needs blockers? Let Pro Bowler Jason Campbell air it out!
Speaking of Campbell, has he even played a snap yet? I saw no stats for the regular season & can't remember hearing about him during the preseason.
He probably played in the pre-season.
he played in the preseason...didnt look good didnt look bad
Listening to Eagles LIVE also. Dave on Trent Cole:
QuoteHis body is unbelievable!
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QuoteEagles | Team meets with Fantuz
Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:46:52 -0800
Morris Dalla Costa, of the London Free Press reports the Philadelphia Eagles met with Canadian NFL draft prospect WR Andy Fantuz last week. Whether he'll be picked in the NFL draft beginning April 29 is something agent Hadley Engelhard won't speculate on. He may also go No. 1 in the CFL draft April 20. "He did quite well working out," said Engelhard. "During his week at the East-West Shrine Game, he proved he's able to play NFL-style football. He picked things up quickly. The terminology wasn't a problem. The route running wasn't a problem."
A canadian? I hate the offseason.
Risers and Sliders
Ferguson comes through big time in workouts
By Tony Pauline, Special to SI.com
In what is the second-to-last week of pro days before the NFL Draft, several players improved their stock with solid performances. Others were not quite as lucky.
Risers
1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia: After a terrific Senior Bowl and impressive interviews at the combine, Ferguson completed the deal on Tuesday, clocking a 5.07 and 5.09 in the 40-yard dash. Many teams now have him as the second-best player on their draft board.
2. Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota: Unable to run at the combine and at his first pro day due to a strained hamstring, Maroney ran a 4.46 in the 40 on Friday. The 215-pounder had a 35.5-inch vertical jump and completed 21 reps on the bench. He is now challenging DeAngelo Williams as the third back in this draft.
3. Cedric Griffin, CB, Texas: Griffin outperformed his higher-rated teammate Michael Huff in Austin on Wednesday. Griffin recorded a 35-inch vertical jump and ran the short shuttle in 3.97 seconds, more than 1/10th faster than his combine time.
4. David Thomas, TE, Texas: He was exceptional, showcasing his a pass-catching skills after completing 21 reps on the bench. Thomas also improved his status by proving to scouts his ability as a deep snapper.
5. Terna Nande, LB, Miami (Ohio): He built on his momentum from a terrific combine workout, running his 40 in 4.52 seconds, then reaching 39 inches in the vertical jump.
6. John Busing, LB, Miami (Ohio): Another impressive RedHawks linebacker, Busing ran a 4.53 40 and looked incredibly athletic. At the end of the session he dazzled scouts with a terrific pass-catching workout after being asked to try his hand at tight end.
7. Chris McNeil, C, Mississippi State: Long considered an undersized finesse blocker, McNeil weighed in at 307 pounds and completed 35 reps on the bench. He finished his pro day by running the 40 in 5.0 seconds and putting up an impressive 31.5-inch vertical jump.
8. Fred Evans, DT, Texas State: He surprised scouts by tipping the scales at 305 pounds. He had an impressive 34.5-inch vertical jump.
9. Abdul Hodge, LB, Iowa: After running a pedestrian 4.80 40 at the combine, Hodge sped it up last week, turning in times of 4.69 and 4.66. He also completed 25 reps in the bench press and now sits atop the list at middle linebacker.
10. Trevis Coley, DB, Southern Miss.: He gave scouts plenty to think about after a poor senior season. Weighing in at 227, Coley averaged 4.50 in the 40, turned in an impressive 37-inch vertical jump and completed 18 reps on the bench.
Sliders
1. Jon Scott, OT, Texas: An ill-prepared Scott could only complete a paltry 17 reps on the bench. Surprisingly, he did not try to better his slow 40 time of 5.35 at the combine. The Longhorns tackle weighed 322 pounds, seven more than in Indy.
2. Stefon Wheeler, OT, Michigan State: Long considered an underachiever, Wheeler did nothing to shed that label. The big offensive lineman weighed 333 pounds and completed just 18 reps on the bench.
3. Willie Evans, DE, Mississippi State: The SEC leader in sacks disappointed scouts when he barely broke 5.0 in the 40. Evans' times were 4.97 and 4.95.
4. Kai Parham, LB, Virginia: The underclassman bettered his times from the combine, though not by much. Parham clocked in at 4.91 and 4.99 in the 40, in addition to a horribly slow 4.79 in the short shuttle, a time beaten by most offensive linemen. He'll go in the late rounds of the draft.
5. Jason Avant, WR, Michigan: The big possession receiver ran his 40s in 4.80, just a little faster than the Wolverines tight ends last Friday.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2006, 10:25:15 PM
Defensive Tackle
Haoli Ngata - Oregon]
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Linebacker
[DeMeco Ryans - Alabama
you put some work into that post, I'll give you that. Personally, I think they trade up to 6 and get Ngata. DT must be addressed. if you get a DT, all of a sudden your linebackers are better. The LB that interests me is the kid from alabama, who looks like he is the type of guy that might slip. he looks like a decent prospect at SLB. no way the eagles spend the #1 pick on a lb, which rules out the iowa and ohio state guys.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 04:01:39 PM
5. Jason Avant, WR, Michigan: The big possession receiver ran his 40s in 4.80, just a little faster than the Wolverines tight ends last Friday.
That's kind of a shame, because I watched his drills at the combine, and he's a natural.
I had read somewhere that Avant broke his hand at the pro day.. anyone else see that?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 24, 2006, 04:10:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 04:01:39 PM
5. Jason Avant, WR, Michigan: The big possession receiver ran his 40s in 4.80, just a little faster than the Wolverines tight ends last Friday.
That's kind of a shame, because I watched his drills at the combine, and he's a natural.
Yeah he may run like a TE but I bet he can't stop, drop and roll!
If we miss out on Bunkley at 14 I think Wroten or McCargo make sense in the second. Wroten would probably have to slip a little and its a bit early for McCargo with the 45th; but we need to improve at DT. If Bunkley is their at 14 it is a done deal and hopefully Whitner is there at 45 to replace Dawk in the next few years.
Quote from: nyc40thief on March 25, 2006, 06:30:48 PM
If we miss out on Bunkley at 14 I think Wroten or McCargo make sense in the second. Wroten would probably have to slip a little and its a bit early for McCargo with the 45th; but we need to improve at DT. If Bunkley is their at 14 it is a done deal and hopefully Whitner is there at 45 to replace Dawk in the next few years.
Obviously no one told you that you are supposed to behave like a jackass and cause as much trouble as possible with your first post. Retard.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 25, 2006, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: nyc40thief on March 25, 2006, 06:30:48 PM
If we miss out on Bunkley at 14 I think Wroten or McCargo make sense in the second. Wroten would probably have to slip a little and its a bit early for McCargo with the 45th; but we need to improve at DT. If Bunkley is their at 14 it is a done deal and hopefully Whitner is there at 45 to replace Dawk in the next few years.
Obviously no one told you that you are supposed to behave like a jackass and cause as much trouble ass possible with your first post. Retard.
Sorry farger! ;D
Appology accepted. Welcome to homerville, USA. Population, you.
I thought we agreed on loserville, not homerville.
Not sure if it was already posted, and it really means jacksh!t anyway, but Charles Robinson's article (http://http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-mailbag032506&prov=yhoo&type=lgns) says that:
Quote
1. Why in the HELL did the New England Patriots let Willie McGinest go? After all those years of dedication and hard work, didn't he deserve to end his career there?
2. No word on Marcus Vick. What team if any will take the wild child?
3. Do you think Terrell Owens has learned his lesson? I frankly think he has not.
4. Which team are you taking to go all the way next season? I want New England, but I think this is the year of the Kansas City Chiefs.
5. Finally, do you miss the Chicago Bears fans harassing you?
Valerie Miles-Graves
Baltimore, Md.
1. McGinest was let go because the Patriots have never valued sentimentality over salary-cap responsibility. For fans and players, it's an approach that cuts both ways.
2. Marcus Vick has interviewed with the Bears, Green Bay Packers and Eagles. But I have yet to hear of any team that is seriously thinking of drafting him.
3. Terrell Owens has had the same issues in both San Francisco and Philadelphia. Will things be different in Dallas? I'll believe it when I see it.
4. Ask me this question again in May.
5. I live in Chicago. Bears fans never stop harassing me.
marcus vick>reno mahe
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2006, 12:01:42 AM
marcus vick>reno mahe
marcus vick<reno mahe, vai sikahema & Gizmo Williams.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2006, 12:01:42 AM
marcus vick>reno mahe
Marcus Vick as 3rd QB > Koy Detmer as 3rd QB
It's going to be the Bruce. Don't kid yourselves.
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Vick sucks dead horse ass.
Gradkowski would be a nice choice. I like him.
4 RB's I also like are:
Jerious Norwood (5'11 210)
Gerald Riggs Jr. (5'10 232)
Mike Bell (6'0 221)
Cedric Humes (6'0 227)
All of those guys would fit the "big back" role. They can all cover on STs and have size. Mike Bell can play some FB also. So a big body backfield of him and Tapeh could be nice.
Westbrook
Moats
draft pick
Perry
Tapeh
Everyone needs to accept that Reno Mahe has a job on this team. It will make the next few months easier to deal with once you do that.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 26, 2006, 10:33:43 AM
Everyone needs to accept that Reno Mahe has a job on this team. It will make the next few months easier to deal with once you do that.
Thats farging horseshtein. It pisses me off so bad. They Eagles could probably draft 10 RBs in the 7th round that are better than Reno.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2006, 10:31:06 AM
Gradkowski would be a nice choice. I like him.
4 RB's I also like are:
Jerious Norwood (5'11 210)
Gerald Riggs Jr. (5'10 232)
Mike Bell (6'0 221)
Cedric Humes (6'0 227)
All of those guys would fit the "big back" role. They can all cover on STs and have size. Mike Bell can play some FB also. So a big body backfield of him and Tapeh could be nice.
Westbrook
Moats
draft pick
Perry
Tapeh
Who do you like at MLB to back up Trot? Obviuosly the Labinjo experiment didn't work out and I don't see Sim as the guy. Short was a special teams stud but who knows if he'll be back.
Quote from: nyc40thief on March 26, 2006, 10:51:45 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2006, 10:31:06 AM
Gradkowski would be a nice choice. I like him.
4 RB's I also like are:
Jerious Norwood (5'11 210)
Gerald Riggs Jr. (5'10 232)
Mike Bell (6'0 221)
Cedric Humes (6'0 227)
All of those guys would fit the "big back" role. They can all cover on STs and have size. Mike Bell can play some FB also. So a big body backfield of him and Tapeh could be nice.
Westbrook
Moats
draft pick
Perry
Tapeh
Who do you like at MLB to back up Trot? Obviuosly the Labinjo experiment didn't work out and I don't see Sim as the guy. Short was a special teams stud but who knows if he'll be back.
One guy who is already on the team might get a shot at it - Dedrick Roper. I liked him on STs last year. Maybe they give him a shot to slide inside and be the backup MLB.
But if we're talking about draft picks only:
1. Gerris Wilkinson (6'3 233) [can play OLB too, maybe can play SAM for us and backup MLB]
2. Kai Parham (6'3 256)
3. Freddie Roach (6'1 257)
4. Anthony Schlegel (6'0 250)
Wonder if Manny Lawson would be the answer at SAM
prob won't be there at 14 i bet
Interesting sleeper you might like to check out
BYU DT Manaia Brown Somoan with - all the atheltic ability youd want
Could play DT or DE - just has had the light turn on yet.
He transfered out of nebraska - to BYU
Quote from: iowaigglefan on March 26, 2006, 11:41:04 PM
Wonder if Manny Lawson would be the answer at SAM
prob won't be there at 14 i bet
I think he'll be there at 14, and I think the Eagles could very well take him... but to play DE, not LB.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2006, 10:31:06 AM
Cedric Humes (6'0 227)
Westbrook
Moats
draft pick
Perry
Tapeh
I like Humes too, since we won't get Lendale, and he still might be around with one of our 4ths.
But drafting a RB would mean that they would have to drop Tapeh, Mahe or Buckhalter and you KNOW that won't happen.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2006, 11:08:51 AM
2. Kai Parham (6'3 256)
from what i've heard about parham, dude is slower than most offensive lineman. not quite what we need in a LB.
Pretty good stuff from DraftDaddy.com
Take it FWIW since we have nothing better to do:
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In the last few weeks, the defensive tackle rankings throughout the land have shown a switch where Broderick Bunkley out of Florida State leapfrogged over Michigan's Gabe Watson and in some cases over Oregon's Haloti Ngata to take higher ranking on the DT positional boards.
Let us be very clear Draft Daddy is not bashing Broderick Bunkley. He is a great prospect from a fantastic program, one that has had great success producing NFL players. He comes from a great line of pro-ready Florida State defensive tackles, in recent history have included Darnell Dockett and Travis Johnson. Bunk should be very successful at the next level, if he continues to work hard and stay healthy. We like this player a-lot. However something has to be said about this player's current standing relative to players with bigger upsides.
For as great as Broderick Bunkley worked out (and he worked out amazingly well, with 44 bench press reps and a sub 5 second forty-yard dash at Indy), and for as great as he played as a senior, recording 25 tackles for loss and 9 sacks - for all that, there are several limitations to Bunkley's game that no-one seems to want to talk about.
First and foremost he is barely three hundred pounds and has maxed out his frame. He cannot get that much bigger and become a true two-gap player in the NFL. Believe it or not, just because his shoulders are too wide to fit into the egg-shaped body fat measurement pod he still has a lack of bulk and can get overwhelmed at point of attack.
As a penetrating 4-3 DT or a 3-4 DE yes he is proportioned very nicely. However he is not, nor will ever have the run-stopping potential of Ngata or Watson. Speaking about his technique he plays with tremendous will-power and drive, relying upon his great strength and first step but simply doesn't have the refined technique that defensive line coaches love to see - and why would he need such technique when usually he overpowers or out-quicks the linemen in NCAA 1-A? However he has a lot of work in front of him to become a dominating player in the NFL.
And, at the end of the day, what is his best-case outcome? To become a 10 sack player like Warren Sapp or Darrell Russell? These players are flash-in-the-pan types and the 10 sack 4-3 DT is basically a pipedream; it just doesn't happen that way for most of the prospects projected that way. Not to mention the fact that Bunkley tore up his knees pretty badly in high school and actually sat out a Senior Bowl practice with soreness in his repaired knee.
For these reasons, he will remain #3 on our rankings, and barring scandal cannot leapfrog the players above him. Again this is not necessarily a slam on this player; his stock simply has become overvalued.
The other half of the equation is that most everyone in the draft watching world are under-rating Ngata and Watson, the real 350 pounders.
Both Ngata and Watson are the type of players NFL scouts have heard about for years, since they were prep athletes deciding what college to attend. These men have completely unique size/speed combinations and are true manifestations of the planet theory. How many players in the world can run well at 350 pounds? Well right now in this draft there are only two guys who fit the bill, and Bunkley is not on that list.
Haloti Ngata is clearly the best tackle in the class, and those that say he takes plays off or has a questionable motor, well flat out aren't watching closely enough. A player doesn't become the first All-American from Oregon in 35 years as a junior because he is lazy or takes plays off. Watch the film he is the focal point of every offensive line blocking scheme - he simply must be accounted for with multiple blockers. Now every mock in the country seemingly has this player dropping to the 8-12 range and then commenting "the Bills are thrilled to have this player" or "the Browns can't believe their luck when Ngata falls this fall." Call us cynical but if a team is lucky to get a player at a rare position at 8 or 12 then someone smarter should take him higher than that. How can draft guru's so consistently predict fortuitous luck across the board?
Likewise, every mock in America has Gabe Watson falling to the late twenties or out of the first round altogether, but wherever he is projected, why some team is very happy to draft him so late! Simply put it doesn't work that way. Hard work and consistency doesn't trump upside in the NFL draft. Lloyd Carr (who to be quite frank has run a talent-rich program into the ground over the last 10 years) made an ill advised benching of Gabe Watson for over-stuffed linebackers and all of a sudden Watson's fat and lazy. Well for those that don't remember there was another player several years ago people thought was too fat and lazy when he was coming out, Ted Washington. Anyone can eat their way out of the league, that doesn't mean teams should draft low upside smaller DTs. There is a poker saying if you want to pick em up you have to put em down. No prospect is without risk and it is entirely possible that such overwhelming players can turn the switch on at the next level when they didn't need to in college.
Bottom line in Gabe Watson we are talking about a natural 340 pounder that can occupy and beat double teams, who is an absolute force in the run game, and more than that a player who put on a show in Mobile that was as good as if not better than Kevin Williams' show in 2003. In one session Watson had 6 tackles for loss in an hour. Let me just say that again: 6 tackles for loss in an hour! As my Italian gradfather would say, "oooof-ah!"
Where was Bunkley during this display? Not to slam the player but he was on the side-line nursing an injury while Watson was throwing the offensive linemen around like rag-dolls. Players like this shouldn't be passed over for penetrating one-gap 4-3 DT's who are 305 pounds.
The draft is by and large an unpredicitable event, which is why flowing it is so fun; but history has proven at least that Planet Theory manifests itself every year, sometimes at the last minute. Watson and Ngata are Planet Theory players, Bunkley is also such a player but to a lesser extent - players like him simply are not as rare.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 27, 2006, 12:22:38 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2006, 10:31:06 AM
Cedric Humes (6'0 227)
Westbrook
Moats
draft pick
Perry
Tapeh
I like Humes too, since we won't get Lendale, and he still might be around with one of our 4ths.
Humes probably can be had in the 5th-6th maybe even the 7th.
Parham is slow. But so is Roach and Schlegel.
Wilkinson = 4.66 40 yard dash ; 2.73 20 yard dash ; 1.67 10 yard dash
Parham = 4.98 40 yard dash ; 2.89 20 yard dash ; 1.70 10 yard dash
Roach = 4.92 40 yard dash ; 2.88 20 yard dash ; 1.72 10 yard dash
Schlegel = 4.88 40 yard dash ; 2.75 20 yard dash ; 1.68 10 yard dash
Sometimes you have to go by what they do on the field and ignore the numbers. And sometimes its better to look at the 20 and 10 yard numbers because they show what kind of burst a guy has. Short shuttle is good too. All 4 of these guys are bigger guys who hit hard and play the run well.
But I would love Wilkinson. I think he could play MLB and SLB. He'd be a good pick in the 3rd.
thats exactly what ive been saying about bunkley for weeks...
workout warrior
another smallish non run stopping dt...which they already have all over the roster
Gabe Watson is certainly an intruiging player. I'm sure the Eagles have done and are doing plenty of research to figure out if the talk about him giving up and being lazy is truly justified.
Just as the talk of Michael Lewis' heart took him off many teams' boards, this could make Watson fall a bit.
I still think he's a reach at 14 and won't make it to the Eagles pick in the 2nd round, but what do I know?
Watson would be a good guy to target if they are able to trade down.
Bunkley!
it's going to be Justice, just trust me.
i saw him at the airport, done deal!1
no way, that's a call back from another thread. that's gotta be at least a B
No. And if you complain about your grade again, it goes automatically to F.
As more and more talk goes by about Bunkley going just before our pick, I started looking more and more at Watson as a possible target for the Eagles. As a Michigan fan, I could be a bit biased... but I never bought into the whole thing about Watson taking plays off and shtein like that because I sure as hell never saw it. What I did see was an athletic big man who often occupied and beat double teams and was a big force in the running game... as well as getting his pushing the middle.
I've been on the Bunkley bandwagon because 1) he best fits into the "penetrating DT" scheme that JJ employs and 2) he seemed to be falling right in line with the Eagles' pick. I'd still be ecstatic with the Bunkley pick... as these scouting reports don't do too much to sway me one way or the other especially if I've seen the kid play, which I have with Bunkley. I've got to admit though... the thought of Watson being that beast occupying the middle, making life easier for not only Patterson, but Kearse and Howard on the edge... is pretty damn nice.
The possible plus with Watson is that we could definitely aquire an extra pick or two to drop down a few spots and still be able to get him in the 18-22 range.
QuoteThe possible plus with Watson is that we could definitely aquire an extra pick or two to drop down a few spots and still be able to get him in the 18-22 range.
Bingo. Plus it would be nice to finally have a legit run stuffer on the line.
Justice apparently IS at the Novacare Center this morning
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 27, 2006, 05:26:36 PM
Justice apparently IS at the Novacare Center this morning
D-
I figured as much. Hence, the D-.
S- ( I grade on a kindergarten system)
UCLA RB Maurice Drew's Draft Diary (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5446436)
QuoteThings heat up again this week, and I will be busy with private workouts. I also have interviews/private workouts with Cleveland, Atlanta and Philadelphia
He is 5'6 207 and runs a 4.39.
He will likely be a 3rd down type back and a return specialist in the NFL.
My guess is they are looking at him as a KOR & PR. He is a very good PR.
- Scout.com reports that the Eagles have spoken to Indiana DE Victor Adeyanju
- UTEP LB Thomas Howard was on Sirius and said he has met with the Eagles
- Sirius also reported that Sinorice Moss was in town for a private workout
All gathered from the EMB.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2006, 08:07:18 PM
- Scout.com reports that the Eagles have spoken to Indiana DE Victor Adeyanju
- UTEP LB Thomas Howard was on Sirius and said he has met with the Eagles
- Sirius also reported that Sinorice Moss was in town for a private workout
All gathered from the EMB.
I like both of those players
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2006, 07:56:54 PM
UCLA RB Maurice Drew's Draft Diary (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5446436)
QuoteThings heat up again this week, and I will be busy with private workouts. I also have interviews/private workouts with Cleveland, Atlanta and Philadelphia
He is 5'6 207 and runs a 4.39.
He will likely be a 3rd down type back and a return specialist in the NFL.
My guess is they are looking at him as a KOR & PR. He is a very good PR.
They're trying to have a new super-wishbone offense with no RB taller than 5'8" or heavier than 210.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 27, 2006, 08:08:03 PM
I like both of those players
Both of the three players?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 27, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2006, 07:56:54 PM
UCLA RB Maurice Drew's Draft Diary (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5446436)
QuoteThings heat up again this week, and I will be busy with private workouts. I also have interviews/private workouts with Cleveland, Atlanta and Philadelphia
He is 5'6 207 and runs a 4.39.
He will likely be a 3rd down type back and a return specialist in the NFL.
My guess is they are looking at him as a KOR & PR. He is a very good PR.
They're trying to have a new super-wishbone offense with no RB taller than 5'8" or heavier than 210.
Super wishbone, eh? I like it!
Quote from: shorebird on March 27, 2006, 08:32:01 PM
Super wishbone, eh? I like it!
Don't worry, though. They'd still pass out of this formation, obviously.
(http://www.hewroteshewrote.com/images/superWish.bmp)
Jesus Christ, not to Moats!!........Mahe will be open.
Thank god they have Westbrook into block.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 27, 2006, 08:58:20 PM
Thank god they have Westbrook into block.
I liked that wrinkle. Mahe's going deep. Mo Drew is running a wheel route after L.J. drags the DB over the middle.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 27, 2006, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 27, 2006, 08:58:20 PM
Thank god they have Westbrook into block.
I liked that wrinkle. Mahe's going deep. Mo Drew is running a wheel route after L.J. drags the DB over the middle.
Of course this would only be used on third and less than a yard because no defense would ever suspect pass. Right?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 27, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2006, 07:56:54 PM
UCLA RB Maurice Drew's Draft Diary (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5446436)
QuoteThings heat up again this week, and I will be busy with private workouts. I also have interviews/private workouts with Cleveland, Atlanta and Philadelphia
He is 5'6 207 and runs a 4.39.
He will likely be a 3rd down type back and a return specialist in the NFL.
My guess is they are looking at him as a KOR & PR. He is a very good PR.
They're trying to have a new super-wishbone offense with no RB taller than 5'8" or heavier than 210.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 27, 2006, 08:08:03 PM
I like both of those players
Both of the three players?
Oops, I forgot about the DE from IU, he doesn't do much for me. Howard and Moss are players that I really like.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2006, 07:56:54 PM
He is 5'6 207 and runs a 4.39.
He will likely be a 3rd down type back and a return specialist in the NFL.
My guess is they are looking at him as a KOR & PR. He is a very good PR.
Return specialist, definitely. He wont necessarily be a 3rd down back, a team like Atlanta would use him well and he'd be cheaper then Dunn. He'd fit in well with Denver too but they already have someone like him in Tatum Bell. Mo Drew runs harder than most RBs though.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2006, 08:07:18 PM
- Scout.com reports that the Eagles have spoken to Indiana DE Victor Adeyanju
- UTEP LB Thomas Howard was on Sirius and said he has met with the Eagles
- Sirius also reported that Sinorice Moss was in town for a private workout
All gathered from the EMB.
reliable sources
does anyone know where rocky mcintosh is supposed to go...i love that guy and think hes gonna be a beast....but i dont know enough about the ratings to know if hes gonna be there for the eagles second pick
You mean Roger McIntosh? LB from Miami? He wouldn't go many picks before the Eagles' pick in the 2nd if he did.
More likely he'd be there than not.
roger must be his real name...i never heard him referred to that
anyway he could be the next joey porter.....get him
I'd rather get Thomas Howard (two first names!) from UTEP, but he'll probably be off the board anyway.
I think McIntosh would be a solid 2nd round pick, assuming they didn't go LB in the first (which they won't).
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2006, 07:56:54 PM
UCLA RB Maurice Drew's Draft Diary (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5446436)
QuoteThings heat up again this week, and I will be busy with private workouts. I also have interviews/private workouts with Cleveland, Atlanta and Philadelphia
He is 5'6 207 and runs a 4.39.
He will likely be a 3rd down type back and a return specialist in the NFL.
My guess is they are looking at him as a KOR & PR. He is a very good PR.
Excellent. I've been saying all offseason that all we need to become surefire Super Bowl winners is one small, quick, shifty back to provide a change of pace to our big, bruising backs.
:boom :boom :boom :boom
Dude. Super wishbone!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 29, 2006, 08:49:01 AM
roger must be his real name...i never heard him referred to that
Roger may be his "real" name, but anyone who follows college ball knows he goes by Rocky.
QuotePro Day update and Player Notes: 3/31
By: TFY Draft Preview
Date: Mar 31, 2006
The final few pro-days are finishing off the '06 schedule as scouts, coaches and general managers make their way to USC for Sunday mornings workout. Plenty of news to talk about as several NFL teams have been very active, preparing to pare down draft boards.
Hawaii had their workout last week, the infamous Home Depot Center pro-day in Carson, California. This day is almost as well known for players from the southern California area who perform for scouts as much as it is of interest for the prospects from Hawaii.
Offensive guard Brandon Eaton surprised some with a 33.5-inch vertical jump though his forty time was disappointing. Eaton is unlikely to be selected in the draft yet his lower body strength and explosion impressed the scouts on hand.
One Warrior defender who stood out was Nkeruwem Akpen. Looking impressive at 6-feet-5.5-inches and 274-pounds, Akpen clocked a 4.96/4.89 for his forties, turned in a vertical jump of 34-inches and completed 22-reps on the bench. We spoke about Akpen, a basketball player at Hawaii, on our pre-season watch list yet he saw minimal action last year.
The good news coming out of Hawaii is both Leonard Peters and Melila Purcell each received another year of eligibility on the college field. Peters was a highly rated safety coming into the year yet tore his knee up against USC during the season's first game. Purcell, at one time a pass rushing terror, got his academics in order and hopes to right his game next year.
In other news from Carson, staying true to form the New England Patriots requested that Cal defensive back Donnie McCleskey workout out for the team at the Home Depot Center. The senior obliged and ran a pair of 4.69-forties.
The Oakland Raiders seem to like yet another San Diego State linebacker. After having great success with Kirk Morrison last year the team brought Aztec senior Freddie Keiaho to Carson and individually worked him out on linebacker drills.
We previously gave subscribers the heads-up about soon-to-be tight end Nick Vander Laan during our Senior Bowl coverage from Mobile. The former basketball player from Concordia, who started his career at Virginia, has been very impressive recently. Officially measuring 6-feet-7.5-inches and 275-pounds, Vander Laan recently timed a 4.95 and 5.10 in the forty, also posting a vertical jump of 31-inches. Scouts feel he could make a roster as a third tight end used in blocking situations and eventually develop into an offensive tackle. Many feel he possesses both the size and feet to handle the job on the blind side.
Is Vander Laan draft eligible? No one's made that decision just yet. He is two years removed from NCAA basketball eligibility and there is some thought he will just be put on the free agent market.
Even though they recently resigned veteran Jon Runyan, the Philadelphia Eagles still have a clear interest in USC offensive tackle Winston Justice. Individually working him out two weeks ago, the team is bringing Justice to the Nova Center for a visit in the next ten days. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers also have shown a lot of interest in the big Trojan blocker.
Another player the Eagles have closely monitored is Florida receiver Chad Jackson. Andy Reid individually worked out the big pass catcher and interviewed him afterwards, coming away very impressed. So did Nick Saban of the Miami Dolphins as the team has twice sat down with Jackson.
Add the New England Patriots to the list of organizations who have highly considered Jackson. Sources have told us if the receiver starts to slide don't be surprised if New England trades up to secure his services.
Other notes on player interests.
Daniel Bullocks has been heavily scouted by the Pittsburgh Steelers, Denver Broncos, Oakland Raiders. Both the Cincinnati Bengals and Atlanta Falcons have sent full coaching staffs to workout the Nebraska safety.
Mike Bell is getting long looks from the Indianapolis Colts, Buffalo Bills, New York Jets and Giants as well as the Washington taterskins.
The Colts sent a staff to individually workout Wyoming quarterback Corey Bramlet. They compare Bramlet to a "poor man's Peyton Manning" and specifically like him as a third quarterback who can break down film for the organizations franchise signal caller.
Richard Marshall is getting a lot of consideration from the New England
Sirius also reported that Sinorice Moss was in town for a private workout
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I could see the Eagles taking Justice. I could see them taking Chad Jackson.
Basically, because the only positions I know they won't take in the 1st are QB, RB, TE, LB, K, and P.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 01, 2006, 09:50:07 AM
I could see the Eagles taking Justice. I could see them taking Chad Jackson.
Basically, because the only positions I know they won't take in the 1st are QB, RB, TE, LB, K, and P.
That would be the J-E-T-S taking punter with their first round pick.
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i'm still holding strong on my prediction of Justice, but I have a feeling they might move up to take Huff.
If they took Moss, Jackson, or Justice I would be very happy. Of those I would like to see Jackson the most I think he has potential to a stud. He is very comparable to Javon Walker imo.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 01, 2006, 10:26:30 AM
If they took Moss, Jackson, or Justice I would be very happy. Of those I would like to see Jackson the most I think he has potential to a stud. He is very comparable to Javon Walker imo.
That boy is a specimen, and with the way he did on his workout... I cant see why that kid wont be big time. He is comparable to Andre Johnson and Owens with how he's built
He's only 6'1". He's about the same exact size as Jabar Gaffney and Reggie Brown.
"about the same exact size"
are you retarded?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 01, 2006, 10:34:59 AM
He's only 6'1". He's about the same exact size as Jabar Gaffney and Reggie Brown.
"built" wise...chiseled like the Rocky statue
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 01, 2006, 10:39:05 AM
"about the same exact size"
are you retarded?
Um, no. I'm just saying that Chad Jackson is not as big as Javon Walker or T.O.
well, they're either about the same size, or they are the exact same size, not both
They are the exact same height. Chad Jackson is heavier than both of them, slightly.
He's also 60 lbs heavier than Pinkston... or so.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 01, 2006, 11:01:44 AM
They are the exact same height. Chad Jackson is heavier than both of them, slightly.
He's also 60 lbs heavier than Pinkston... or so.
My 2-year-old is 60 pounds heavier than Pinkston... and he only weighs 35.
WR is a need but I don't want a WR in the first round, as a rookie WR isn't likely to be able to contribute immediately. We should be looking at guys who can help us win the Super Bowl THIS YEAR. I'd much rather see a RB, OL, DL, or LB there.
I'll jizz myself if we take LenDale White but sadly it isn't going to happen.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 01, 2006, 11:15:29 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 01, 2006, 11:01:44 AM
They are the exact same height. Chad Jackson is heavier than both of them, slightly.
He's also 60 lbs heavier than Pinkston... or so.
My 2-year-old is 60 pounds heavier than Pinkston... and he only weighs 35.
And he probably could jam him at the line as well totally intimidating the crap out of him.
McMullen is built like TO, too. That get you worked up?
Quote from: Zanshin on April 01, 2006, 04:47:27 PM
McMullen is built like TO, too. That get you worked up?
looks are everything ::)
I think the Eagles will trade back into the first round.
Take a DT and either a WR or an OL.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 01, 2006, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 01, 2006, 11:15:29 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 01, 2006, 11:01:44 AM
They are the exact same height. Chad Jackson is heavier than both of them, slightly.
He's also 60 lbs heavier than Pinkston... or so.
My 2-year-old is 60 pounds heavier than Pinkston... and he only weighs 35.
And he probably could jam him at the line as well totally intimidating the crap out of him.
He tackles better than Simoneau, too.
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Even though they recently resigned veteran Jon Runyan, the Philadelphia Eagles still have a clear interest in USC offensive tackle Winston Justice. Individually working him out two weeks ago, the team is bringing Justice to the Nova Center for a visit in the next ten days. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers also have shown a lot of interest in the big Trojan blocker.
Another player the Eagles have closely monitored is Florida receiver Chad Jackson. Andy Reid individually worked out the big pass catcher and interviewed him afterwards, coming away very impressed. So did Nick Saban of the Miami Dolphins as the team has twice sat down with Jackson.
If they draft Justice does he play guard until he takes over for Tra or Runyan?
No. He sits and waits 'cause no one messes with Artis Hicks' playing time.
Someone will be injured. He'd play one way or another, unless he's the one that gets hurt.
This is an interesting question. I would imagine that if he is good enough to warrant being taken where the Eagles will be drafting, he would pretty much have to be on the field right away.
Where did he play in college? I would imagine he would have to be plugged in at the left guard position but would that hinder his growth if he played right tackle in college?
Looked him up. He played RT at USC. He also had some character issues that may put the Eagles off.
I don't know, if the Eagles draft him he would have to be Runyans understudy (and I thought they were grooming Andrews for that role) for the first year and that just doesn't seem to be the first round draft choice of a team that intends to return to prominance after a down year.
I can't see it as a hinderance as Phreak mentioned before there are some very good NFL Tackles that played guard before moving to the outside.
From Next Level Scouting:
Quote*CAL-DAVIS senior tight end DANIEL FELLS has reported to the NLS Staff that he has had several private workouts since his Pro Day, including one with Philadelphia.
*CINCINNATI senior defensive end/outside linebacker ADAM ROBERTS has reported to the NLS Staff that he had a private workout with Green Bay late last week after impressing teams at his recent Pro Day and will have another private workout for Cincinnati in mid-April... ran between 4.71 and 4.75 in the 40... 4.38 short shuttle... 7.22 in the 3-cone... 34" vertical... 9'9" broad jump... weighed in at 6015, 249 pounds... previously had done 25 reps of 225 pounds... did positional drills as a linebacker, which allowed him to flash his athleticism... a total of 5-6 teams had come to observe him at his Pro Day on March 11th, including Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Miami and Indianapolis.
*IOWA senior linebacker CHAD GREENWAY has reported to the NLS Staff that he has private visits or workouts scheduled with Philadelphia, Cleveland, Tennessee and San Francisco... he has also been dealing with a slightly strained left hamstring.
*OKLAHOMA senior offensive lineman DAVIN JOSEPH has reported to the NLS Staff that he has had private workouts or visits with Dallas, New England, Philadelphia, while also drawing a lot of interest from Tampa Bay... some of the teams that spoke to him at the NFL Combine asked him about moving inside to center.
*PITTSBURGH senior offensive lineman CHARLES SPENCER has reported to the NLS Staff that he has private visits/workouts scheduled with Dallas, Jacksonville, Kansas City and Philadelphia... also seems to be drawing interest from New England among others.
*PURDUE senior linebacker BOBBY IWUCHUKWU has reported to the NLS Staff that he has had a private workout with Philadelphia and will be have a private visit with Dallas in the next two weeks.
*USC junior offensive tackle WINSTON JUSTICE has reported to the NLS Staff that he has a private visit scheduled with Philadelphia after his upcoming Pro Day on April 2nd.
*UTEP senior linebacker THOMAS HOWARD has reported to the NLS Staff that he expects to have several private visits within the next few weeks, including Jacksonville, which seem to be very high on him, as well as Minnesota, Seattle and possibly St. Louis and Philadelphia.
*WASHINGTON senior offensive tackle JOE TOLEDO has reported to the NLS Staff that he has a private visit scheduled with Philadelphia sometime in the next two weeks.
*WEST VIRGINIA senior cornerback ALTON MCCANN has reported to the NLS Staff that he has a private visit scheduled with Philadelphia sometime in the next two weeks... ran in the 4.5 range at his Pro Day with an eye-opening 42.5" vertical.
*WESTERN ONTARIO (CAN) senior wide receiver ANDY FANTUZ has reported to the NLS Staff that he has performed private workouts with Green Bay and Philadelphia, and may do the same for a handful of other teams after his upcoming Pro Day on March 29th, which will be held at Windsor University in Canada.
FLORIDA junior wide receiver CHAD JACKSON has reported to the NLS Staff that he has private workouts with Kansas City, San Diego, Philadelphia and New England over the next few weeks.
*ALABAMA senior defensive end MARK ANDERSON has confirmed to the NLS Staff that he has private visits setup with both Philadelphia and New England, as well as several other teams that have contacted his player reps about future visits, several of those teams have indicated that they would like him to workout both their defensive line and linebacker coaches, as several 3-4 teams are eyeing his talents as a possible OLB.
*TEXAS senior offensive guard WILL ALLEN has reported to the NLS Staff that he will have a private workout with Philadelphia, which will be scheduled after his Pro Day next week, all teams expressing interest in him are saying he's being evaluated at both center and guard.
*TOLEDO senior quarterback BRUCE GRADKOWSKI has reported to the NLS Staff that he may have a private visit setup with Philadelphia over the next few weeks.
*DL JASON HATCHER had originally said he was going to workout again for scouts after averaging 4.85 in the 40 at the Combine, but the poor field conditions made him decide to pass on competing in the running and agility drills... he has private workouts already setup with Jacksonville, Philadelphia and Cincinnati, while Baltimore, Kansas City and San Francisco have spoken to his agent about possible visits, as well... every player slipped on the start of the 40-times and ran on the school's practice field, which was very wet, slippery grass surface from a thunder storm on the previous morning... several players complained of sore groins and other leg issues after the event... a total of between 8-10 teams, including Jacksonville, New Orleans, NY Giants, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Miami, Houston, had at least one representative in attendance for the Friday morning workout.
-From Scout.com:
QuoteThe Eagles have looked at a couple of Oklahoma Sooners.
Guard Davin Joseph has a 6'2.5", 311 pound frame and picked up all-conference and all-academic honors in each of the last three seasons. He's got a strong upper body and holds up well in various blocking schemes and it should certainly interest the Eagles to add a player like that to the roster.
His teammate, Chris Chester projects as a starting center in the NFL and has also drawn interest from the Eagles. Chester is 6'3.5", 303 pounds and played at tight end earlier in his college career. He played seven games on the offensive line last season at Oklahoma and has above average blocking skills.
Eagles offensive line coach Juan Castillo personally worked out Pitt offensive lineman Charles Spencer last week and came away impressed. Spencer is 6'5", 345 pounds and converted from the defensive line in his junior season. He played both guard and tackle at Pitt and has some work to do, but also has the skills to get better. The Eagles have had a definite eye on Spencer for some time.
Finally, Hofstra guard Willie Colon (6'3", 320) figures to meet face-to-face with the Eagles before the draft. He's already met with San Diego, Pittsburgh and Jacksonville. Colon was a three-year starter and received all-conference and all-american honors after his senior season. Colon will need some patience and work, but could become a starting guard at the pro level before too long if he's drafted into the right situation. He figures to be a very late round pick
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2006, 12:28:14 PM
From Next Level Scouting:
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[*TOLEDO senior quarterback BRUCE GRADKOWSKI has reported to the NLS Staff that he may have a private visit setup with Philadelphia over the next few weeks.
If there was one sure fire lock in this draft, it's that Gradkowski becomes an Eagle. I would wager they may even "reach" for the dude. I like it.
I would absolutely love to see them pick up Davin Joseph in the second round I think he has potential to be a stud.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 02, 2006, 12:57:50 PM
If there was one sure fire lock in this draft, it's that Gradkowski becomes an Eagle. I would wager they may even "reach" for the dude. I like it.
With one of those 4th rounders, yes.
An interesting note I came across when reading about Jeremy Bloom. Other then him bulking up to 184 from 173 at the combine, he bench pressed 225 16 times.
The same amount of reps as Chad Greenway.
I didn't want Greenway before. And that didn't help me to like him knowing a punk WR is out-pressing his ass.
QuoteLENDALE HEADING DOWNHILL
The biggest story coming out of the USC pro day workout is that running back LenDale White basically did nothing.
White only performed the bench press, and nothing more. (He managed 15 reps at 225, four less than Jeremy Bloom, whom White outweighs by 60 pounds.) No 40-yard dash. No long jump. No broad jump. No three-cone. No short shuttle. No position drills. Nothing.
Why, we wonder, did the guy even show up? More than a few scouts have the same question.
We're told that White promised scouts he would run in three weeks, but that White privately said that he has no intention of doing it. It's a bad sign for a guy who has hopes of standing out in a draft pool that has plenty of first-round talent at running back.
Good job, Lendale. Especially since there have already been people questioning his will to work and his character.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2006, 12:53:57 AM
QuoteLENDALE HEADING DOWNHILL
The biggest story coming out of the USC pro day workout is that running back LenDale White basically did nothing.
White only performed the bench press, and nothing more. (He managed 15 reps at 225, four less than Jeremy Bloom, whom White outweighs by 60 pounds.) No 40-yard dash. No long jump. No broad jump. No three-cone. No short shuttle. No position drills. Nothing.
Why, we wonder, did the guy even show up? More than a few scouts have the same question.
We're told that White promised scouts he would run in three weeks, but that White privately said that he has no intention of doing it. It's a bad sign for a guy who has hopes of standing out in a draft pool that has plenty of first-round talent at running back.
Good job, Lendale. Especially since there have already been people questioning his will to work and his character.
This guy better get his shtein together. He's dropping faster than my pants at the sight of those Jessica Alba shots. They showed him doing the bench press on ESPN and he was definitely struggling. He looks terrible.
Perhaps LenDale isn't laying off the (http://www.badmonkeytoys.com/images/hohos.jpg).
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 03, 2006, 03:14:19 AM
Perhaps LenDale isn't laying off the (http://www.badmonkeytoys.com/images/hohos.jpg).
I miss those. :-\
The idea of drafting LenDale with #14 overall is getting less and less likely.
Get Bunkley.
Or Justice.
Or Chad Jackson.
Or Wimbley.
Or Manny Lawson.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 08:07:21 AM
The idea of drafting LenDale with #14 overall is getting less and less likely.
Get Bunkley.
Or Justice.
Or Chad Jackson.
Or Wimbley.
Or Manny Lawson.
After reading ESPN.com this morning it sounds like Justice could be a top 10 pick. Of the players that you have mentioned it seems to me that only Lawson and Jackson will likely be available and maybe Wimbley. I think he goes to Cleveland though with Bunkley going to either Buffalo or St. Louis.
I know all those guys may or may not be on the board at #14. That said, I think that if you add Jimmy Williams, Michael Huff, and Haloti Ngata to the 5 guys I just mentioned, the Eagles 1st round pick is almost CERTAINLY in that list.
If Justice moves into the top ten, other guys have to fall. I see both Ngata and Jimmy Williams as guys that could fall to #14, despite seemingly no chance of it just a few weeks ago.
My personal draft board for those 8 players?
1. Huff
2. Ngata
3. Bunkley
4. Williams
5. Lawson
6. Justice
7. Jackson
8. Wimbley
I wouldn't mind seeing any of these fine young players as Eagles, though. Huff or Williams would add some top-end young talent to a secondary that needs top-end talent to run its scheme. Ngata or Bunkley would fill a need and strengthen the DT rotation immediately. Lawson or Wimbley both embody what the Eagles love in their DE's and would allow the team to really rotate and move guys around to confuse the offense. Justice could team up with Herremans to be the OT tandem of the future, and Jackson has uncommon speed and build for a WR.
Of the players you mention the only two I don't want to see them take is Lawson and Wimbley, with the addition of Howard I don't see DE as much of a need. That being said I would not be too disappointed to see either of them in midnight green.
unless someone unexpectedly drops to them at 14 i definitely trade back if possible...preferably to take moss
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 03, 2006, 09:03:41 AM
unless someone unexpectedly drops to them at 14 i definitely trade back if possible...preferably to take moss
No interest in Jackson?
i like moss better...jackson is bigger but moss has some of the best quickness ive ever seen and i think that will cancel out the fact that hes real small...he comes in and out of cuts amaingly...
jackson seems to be more a straight line speed guy whereas moss is all around playmaker who can take it to the house everytime he touches it whether its down the field or a 5 yard hitch...jackson is going to be more a go route type guy...moss can also be a pro bowl retun man for you
other than some of the guys that are gonna go in the top 10 moss is my #1 guy on the board
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 03, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
Of the players you mention the only two I don't want to see them take is Lawson and Wimbley, with the addition of Howard I don't see DE as much of a need. That being said I would not be too disappointed to see either of them in midnight green.
The reason I think they're both more likely than we think is that Howard is probably only going to be top quality for 2-3 more years max, and he *could* be a total bust job. Also, Kearse's contract will start to get very expensive very soon, and if his production doesn't improve, they could be looking to go elsewhere. Also, the team values the DE position highly and likes to rotate "fastballs" there.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 03, 2006, 09:03:41 AM
unless someone unexpectedly drops to them at 14 i definitely trade back if possible...preferably to take moss
I've also said I'd like to see them trade down, but I think it's unlikely unless they trade away some of their later picks closer to the draft.
The thing about Lawson is you have to wonder if he was just a product of playing opposite of Williams, you could say the same about Wimbley with all the talent that was on FSUs D but they have proven track record there.
well Lendale White had a terrible Pro Day. didnt even participate in anything other than bench press in which he only did 14 reps.
Quote from: MURP on April 03, 2006, 10:47:45 AM
well Lendale White had a terrible Pro Day. didnt even participate in anything other than bench press in which he only did 14 reps.
According to the War Room he has hurt himself so much there is a good chance he will fall to the second round.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 03, 2006, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: MURP on April 03, 2006, 10:47:45 AM
well Lendale White had a terrible Pro Day. didnt even participate in anything other than bench press in which he only did 14 reps.
According to the War Room he has hurt himself so much there is a good chance he will fall to the second round.
I think that would be foolish for him to go in the 2nd, somebody will pick him up...too much talent there. He probably got high or drunk the night before like an immature idiot and just doesnt get it. All the negative press now should wake his ass up and he should have some serious workouts pre-daft.
Quote from: MURP on April 03, 2006, 10:47:45 AM
well Lendale White had a terrible Pro Day. didnt even participate in anything other than bench press in which he only did 14 reps.
I'm not too worried about a players bench reps as long as they know how to play. Winston Justice apparently did about a billion reps, but will he be able to move and use his strength to his advantage?
Quote from: Mad-Lad on April 03, 2006, 11:00:32 AM
I'm not too worried about a players bench reps as long as they know how to play.
^^^spoken like a true Chad Greenway fan^^^
Quote from: Mad-Lad on April 03, 2006, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: MURP on April 03, 2006, 10:47:45 AM
well Lendale White had a terrible Pro Day. didnt even participate in anything other than bench press in which he only did 14 reps.
I'm not too worried about a players bench reps as long as they know how to play. Winston Justice apparently did about a billion reps, but will he be able to move and use his strength to his advantage?
Im not really concerned with bench reps, but when you combine the fact that White only chose to do one drill and he did terrible in that drill it says something bad IMO.
Quote from: MURP on April 03, 2006, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on April 03, 2006, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: MURP on April 03, 2006, 10:47:45 AM
well Lendale White had a terrible Pro Day. didnt even participate in anything other than bench press in which he only did 14 reps.
I'm not too worried about a players bench reps as long as they know how to play. Winston Justice apparently did about a billion reps, but will he be able to move and use his strength to his advantage?
Im not really concerned with bench reps, but when you combine the fact that White only chose to do one drill and he did terrible in that drill it says something bad IMO.
I just saw that clip from ESPN with him doing his reps and talking to his coach.....he looks like he's been eating pasta out of a satellite dish..that boys out of shape.
Quote from: reese125 on April 03, 2006, 11:25:13 AM
he looks like he's been eating pasta out of a satellite dish
Ha. Well put.
Quote from: MURP on April 03, 2006, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on April 03, 2006, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: MURP on April 03, 2006, 10:47:45 AM
well Lendale White had a terrible Pro Day. didnt even participate in anything other than bench press in which he only did 14 reps.
I'm not too worried about a players bench reps as long as they know how to play. Winston Justice apparently did about a billion reps, but will he be able to move and use his strength to his advantage?
Im not really concerned with bench reps, but when you combine the fact that White only chose to do one drill and he did terrible in that drill it says something bad IMO.
you're right. I didn't know it was the only drill he did. That's freakin sad.
QuoteLenDale White: Why the Eagles should take him at 14
By JASON WEISS
For those of you who do not know there is a widely frequented message board on the Philadelphia Eagles official website. The board serves as a refuge for passionate, obsessed Eagles fans much like myself. In an effort to spread the word about the site, I post the football related articles I write on it. Recently many people questioned my legitimacy because I have a "hard on" for LenDale White and have come to the conclusion that I am an idiot. As usual. I think I am right and they are wrong. LenDale White would be an exceptional addition and this is why:
Let me start this breakdown at the position at hand, running back. The infatuation with Brian Westbrook in this city has caused many people to lose site of what Westbrook really is: a situational running back. Is he one of the better situational backs in the league? Maybe. But what the Eagles really need is a running back who can pound away the clock when they are winning. A running back who can sell the play fake on the goal-line. A running back who will create space around the outside so that Westbrook can get to the outside on designed running plays, not just when the defense blitzes at the wrong time. Many times over the previous year our offensive line's quality has been questioned because they do not open up holes for Westbrook. In reality, the injuries to the line and the lack of skill at the center position only magnified that many times we had a running back in plays that he should not have been in for. A good running attack makes average offensive linemen good. A great running back makes Luke Petitgout a potential All-Pro (Tiki Barber). What people seem to lose sight of concerning LenDale White is that he is being considered a top 15 pick in the draft. He was overshadowed by every tabloid's favorite quarterback, Matt Leinart, and the flashier Reggie Bush. But who was it that USC went to for clutch runs in the BCS championship? White. Which running back is being considered the best in-between tackle runner in the draft? White.
LenDale White, whether he is on the Eagles or any other team, will come into the NFL with the expectations that he will be very good with the potential to be a superstar. He is the type of offensive dynamo that makes other players on the offense better, much like another player the Eagles just recently lost. Don't believe me? Scouts Inc., of ESPN.com's insider, has him rated a 96 out of a 100 prospect. Todd McShay has the Eagles drafting him with the fourteenth pick. Most drafts have White going before the 14th pick in the draft. I think it is possible White will be even better than Reggie Bush. Want more? Brian Westbrook is not an undisputable top 15-back in the NFL. I would say you could make a decent argument that the Eagles are currently deeper at Wide Reciever than they are at Running Back compared to the other teams in the league. RB is a position of NEED, WR is a position that many would like to see IMPROVED
He certainly seems to be more of a lock to be good than Jerome McDougle was only a pick later.
But lets discuss the other positions that people want to think about for this draft. The only position I think the Eagles should definitely go for ahead of White is OT. D'Brickashaw Ferguson will probably go #2 and if not will be gone by #4. What I read about Winston Justice, tells me the Birds would be better off waiting till the second or third round to draft a tackle. So that means you do not have a value offensive line pick at #14. Trading down is an option, but why do that when you have the opportunity to draft an impact player?
Outside linebacker is another position that people would like to see the Eagles look at. Let us not forget that Matt McCoy was drafted in the second round last year AND Andy Reid is incredibly stubborn towards players he drafts. The odds of the Eagles bailing on McCoy after a year seems unlikely. Furthermore, there is no chance that Ernie Sims or Chad Greenway gets drafted and comes in to immediately supplant Dhani Jones in Jim Johsnon's complex scheme.
The Eagles have spent the last two drafts attempting to bolster the defensive line (McDougle and Patterson) and just signed Darren Howard. They also re-signed Juqua Thomas, which I think is useless, but they would hail as an important move. If Haloti Ngata were to slip to 14 they would have to take him, but that will not happen. Also, it seems as though Bunkley is a lock to go #13 if the Ravens keep the pick to replace the guys they lost along the line. If you want to rest your draft hopes on the speculation the Eagles will be trading up, you can. I am not going to be unrealistic. This is an important draft for the Eagles for depth purposes and they will trade down, if anything, to gain picks. When it comes down to it the Eagles are betting on the fact that Howard will excel as the second best defensive end on the team. That his addition will bring Darwin Walker back to his '04 team and greatly aide the tutoring of Patterson and McDougle.
Sure, Santonio Holmes and Chad Jackson would be sexy on paper, but let us not forget that Reggie Brown only emerged last year because he had too. The odds of a rookie coming in and getting significant playing time at receiver this year are extremely unlikely. Reggie Brown, Todd Pinkston, and Jabar Gaffney will all certainly be ahead of any drafted receiver on the depth chart.
Furthermore, the Eagles are not getting any younger. Like everyone else, I want to believe that last year was an abberation. What comes along with that belief though is the understanding that Donovan McNabb, Brian Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Tra Thomas, Jon Runyan, and Jevon Kearse are moving closer towards the downward slope of their careers. Bringing in LenDale White would give the Eagles to add something that they have not had in the past ten years. I firmly believe that White will be a better pro than Herschel Walker, Ricky Watters, Duce Staley, Charlie Garner, and Brian Westbrook were. And do not give me that Correll Buckhalter is coming back crap. If you want to be a hopeless romantic for a guy with two completely reconstructed knees, go do it in NFL Europe after he has PROVEN something.
The hesitation towards adding a potential elite running back to the roster is actually surprising to me. If White fell to number fourteen, he would be a steal. He would open up the outside for Brian Westbrook. If he was in the backfield with Westbrook in a two running back set teams would be forced to go man on our receivers and would open up the slot routes that McNabb loved throwing before Terrell Owens. Remember the combination of Staley and Westbrook that resulted in First down Freddie, the Eagles putting up 25 points a game with McNabb as the only big name player on the offense? LenDale White would be the best running back prospect the Eagles have had since Wilbert Montgomery. This draft is top heavy, he would have been a top five pick last year. He is also someone who step in immediately and help the offense. He may be better from Westbrook from day one. You want to tell me you know that Chad Greenway will be better than Dhani Jones? That Winston Justice will be better than Jon Runyan? That Bunkley is that much of a better prospect than Mike Patterson?
LenDale White at fourteen has the potential to be a better pick than Michael Lewis was in the second round four years ago.
At least this idiot thinks so.
Well, he's right about one thing: he is an idiot.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 04:40:28 PM
Well, he's right about one thing: he is an idiot.
Hahaha that's coldblooded.
Dude is a bit creamery for White and needs a good word processing program if he wants to be a writer.
I would love to see the Eagles with a really good runnjing game led by an effective all purpose back that can carry the ball 20-25 times a game.
I think they should give Westy the opportunity to be that guy. Look at Tiki Barber, the guy was hurt so often a few years back I called him tweaky Barber. Westy's injuries have been of the fluke variety and I think he can handle that load.
In his case make it 20 carries and 5 catches a game and he will prove to be one of the best in the league.
Quote from: Displaced on April 03, 2006, 05:29:13 PM
Westy's injuries have been of the fluke variety and I think he can handle that load.
Homerism is a disease. Seek help.
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well Lendale White had a terrible Pro Day. didnt even participate in anything other than bench press in which he only did 14 reps.
I'm not too worried about a players bench reps as long as they know how to play. Winston Justice apparently did about a billion reps, but will he be able to move and use his strength to his advantage?
Im not really concerned with bench reps, but when you combine the fact that White only chose to do one drill and he did terrible in that drill it says something bad IMO.
you're right. I didn't know it was the only drill he did. That's freakin sad.
Jason Cole, writing for NBCSports.com, reports USC RB LenDale White is being mentioned in the same company as free agent RB Maurice Clarett. An NFL exeutive said, "We had one of our scouts go up and ask him what was going on (after White didn't run). The kid said his hamstring was tight or something like that. Then we tried to find out when he was going to run and he didn't know. It didn't even sound like he was going to run. What does this kid think?" A former USC offensive player who once was a teammate of White's said, "The guy can play, but he just gets by. He coasted in practice and he coasted in the offseason. He came in thinking he just had to put in his time and that's what you see now." The teammate added that the things White was able to do was because he played next to RB Reggie Bush and the other guys around him. He added that White would be amazing if he really worked at it.
Way to stick up for your teammate bud....that outta catapult him up to the top of Eagles status. White loves hoagies
Maybe falling into the second round will wake this kid up. His stock is dropping by the day.
Seeing clips of White, he usually had gaping, Courtney Love-size holes to run through. He breaks some arm tackles, but it's not like the guy creates holes like the best "big backs" ever to play the game.
If he falls, he won't make the 2nd round. The Steelers need a fat RB to replace Jerome Bettis.
We could just trade them Hollis Thomas to play RB for Joey Porter and Hines Ward.
This list is pretty broad as it goes back to the bowl games, but these are guys that the Eagles interviewed once or more back then. From Next Level Scouting, which I think PP54 referenced earlier in this thread. Sorry. it's not by position.
POST-SEASON PLAYERS OF INTEREST FOR EACH TEAM
Written by John Murphy Friday, 10 March 2006
Over the course of the East-West Shrine Game and Senior Bowl practice sessions, as well as the numerous hours of time spent in the hotel lobby and interview areas of the individual game headquarters it is easy to observe the genuine interest certain teams have in learning more about individual prospects.
Here is a team-by-team list of "Players of Interest" for each team who either spent occasions speaking to all the players listed one-or-more times after one-or-several practices, back in the respective hotel lobbies, in official/un-official meeting/hotel rooms or at the very least requested to speak further with the players after they completed a team profile sheet during the two week evaluation process that took place in mid-to-late January. We have also added a handful of Underclassmen who were interviewed during the week of one of the two games or contacted themselves or through their agents during that period of time.
However, one very interesting note on all of these interviews or meetings is the fact that on occasion teams will actually schedule an interview with a certain player in order to also ask him questions about a current or former teammate, even as far back as someone they played with in high school. In fact, while collecting the data to compile this list one player told us that every team he interviewed with specifically asked him 2-3 pointed questions about one of his college teammates, regarding his own evaluation of that players attitude, character and conduct off-the-field.
Will this be a foreshadow to what or how the teams plan to further evaluate the prospects listed below at the Combine and/or upcoming Pro Days will only prove out in time, but for now it might lend some insight to how teams might look to fill areas of need come April's NFL Draft.
Hank Baskett (New Mexico, WR)
DJ Shockley (Georgia, QB)
Jesse Mahelona (Tennessee, DT)
Tamba Hali (Penn State, DE)
Ryan O'Callaghan (California, OL)
Jeremy Trueblood (Boston College, OT)
Jon Alston (Stanford, LB)
Chad Greenway (Iowa, LB)
Andre Hall (South Florida, RB)
Joe Klopfenstein (Colorado, TE)
Joseph Addai (LSU, RB)
Mark Anderson (Alabama, DE)
Thomas Olmsted (Troy, P)
John Torp (Colorado, P)
Kyle Williams (LSU, DT)
Kamerion Wimbley (Florida State, DE/OLB)
DJ Shockley (Georgia, QB)
Michael Robinson (Penn State, QB/WR)
Tye Hill (Clemson, CB/RT)
David Pittman (Northwestern State, CB)
Nick Mangold (Ohio State, OC)
Mark Setterstrom (Minnesota, OG)
Travis Wilson (Oklahoma, WR)
Roman Harper (Alabama, S)
Tim Jennings (Georgia, CB/RT)
DeMeco Ryans (Alabama, LB)
Thomas Howard (UTEP, LB)
Parys Haralson (Tennessee, DE/OLB)
Eric Henderson (Georgia Tech, DE)
Rocky McIntosh (Miami, LB)
James Wyche (Syracuse, DE)
Kevin Boothe (Cornell, OL)
Jason Spitz (Louisville, OL)
Brandon Hoyte (Notre Dame, LB)
James Anderson (Virginia Tech, LB)
Charlie Peprah (Alabama, S)
Nate Salley (Ohio State, S)
Dawan Landry (Georgia Tech, S)
Greg Jennings (Western Michigan, WR)
Tarvaris Jackson (Alabama State, QB)
Gerrick McPhearson (Maryland, CB)
Leon Washington (Florida State, RB)
Jonathan Orr (Wisconsin, WR)
Todd Watkins (BYU, WR)
Dwayne Slay (Texas Tech, S)
Danieal Manning (Abilene Christian, DB/RT)
Paul Pinegar (Fresno State, QB)
Taurean Henderson (Texas Tech, RB)
Justin Wyatt (USC, CB)
Jonathan Scifres (SW Missouri State, K)
Mike Haas (Oregon State, WR)
Gilbert Harris (Arizona, FB/RB)
Joe Toledo (Washington, OT)
Chris Kuper (North Dakota, OL)
Tim Day (Oregon, TE)
Reggie McNeal (Texas A&M, QB)
Johnny Jolly (Texas A&M, DT)
Brandon Williams (Wisconsin, WR/RT)
Marques Colston (Hofstra, WR)
Bruce Gradkowski (Toledo, QB)
Tommy Jackson (Auburn, DT)
Frostee Rucker (USC, DE)
Isaac Sowells (Indiana, OL)
Josh Huston (Ohio State, K)
Antonio Cromartie (Florida State, DB/RT)
Chad Jackson (Florida, WR)
Paul Szczesny (Arizona State/Indiana, LB)
Good lookin' out, 72. Thanks. :yay
PFT on White:
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LenDale White continues to "train" for the NFL Draft.
Ha.
Prediction: White will be there at #45, and the Eagles still won't take him.
Maurice Drew was on NFL Radio with Kirwin and Ryan...He said he's met with 3 teams so far. ATL, Jax, and us.
Maurice Drew?
Thats a great idea, lets get another RB who's 5'8". Then teams will really be scared.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 04, 2006, 04:57:32 PM
Maurice Drew?
Thats a great idea, lets get another RB who's 5'8". Then teams will really be scared.
Dude.
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you officially beaten it into the ground
I don't see how a defense is supposed to stop that personnel package.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 04, 2006, 11:34:56 AM
Prediction: White will be there at #45, and the Eagles still won't take him.
According to the TSN in their updated mock draft you are wrong. Though I agree with you, especially after the TO fiasco the Eagles will be reluctant to ever bring a player with suspect character or attitude.
The Eagles would definitely take White at 45.
They are stubborn, but they aren't stupid. That would be the dumbest move in NFL draft history.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 04, 2006, 08:41:16 PM
The Eagles would definitely take White at 45.
They are stubborn, but they aren't stupid. That would be the dumbest move in NFL draft history.
You're simply wrong, as usual.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 04, 2006, 08:41:16 PM
The Eagles would definitely take White at 45.
They are stubborn, but they aren't stupid. That would be the dumbest move in NFL draft history.
What? You know this because you can see into the future? Your assuming White will be a good NFL back, personally I'd rather see them go a different route.
QuoteEagles | Team attends T. Palmer Pro Day workout
Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:32:56 -0700
The Philadelphia Eagles were in attendance at Missouri OL Tony Palmer's Pro Day workout Tuesday, April 4
BTW, the dumbest move in Eagles draft history might be Jon Harris, or Siran Stacy.
But they aren't even close to the dumbest in NFL history. Ryan Leaf? Brian Bosworth? So many options.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 04, 2006, 09:07:09 PM
BTW, the dumbest move in Eagles draft history might be Jon Harris, or Siran Stacy.
But they aren't even close to the dumbest in NFL history. Ryan Leaf? Brian Bosworth? So many options.
I agree with the Harris, but at the time Stacy was a good pick, when they announced Jon Harris UVA that was awful. I was convinced they were going to say Trevor Pryce.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 04, 2006, 08:41:16 PM
That would be the dumbest move in NFL draft history.
:-D You dont follow the draft much eh?
so not taking LenDale White at 44 is what? a brain fart? at 45 is where the stupidity of not taking him really gets jacked up.
Well, the Browns don't need a running back, silly.
Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports there are some behind-the-scenes talk of USC RB LenDale White not slipping in the NFL Draft as some stories have gone since his poor performance at his Pro Day workout Sunday, April 2. One team drafting in the 20s recently encouraged White not to run before the NFL Draft so it can pounce on him with its selection in the first round. Another team in the mid-teens already has told White it plans on drafting him.
Its the Eagles I know it. He's having dinner with Reid at the Ground Round this weekend
Quote from: reese125 on April 04, 2006, 11:31:38 PM
Its the Eagles I know it. He's having dinner with Reid at the Ground Round this weekend
The Ground Round rules.
That said, the only other team in the mid-teens that would draft White is Denver. Didn't they learn their lesson with Clarett? After the recent events, I would kick my dog multiple times if the Eagles drafted White.
i remember when the ground round used to be you paid a penny a pound. so when i was little i'd get dinner for like 70 cents.
that would still be a shteinload of money for lendale and andy though.
$2.45 for LenDale and $2.60 for Andy? I'd foot the bill if they gave me the exclusive on the story.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 04, 2006, 11:37:13 PM
i remember when the ground round used to be you paid a penny a pound. so when i was little i'd get dinner for like 70 cents.
that would still be a shteinload of money for lendale and andy though.
My guess with the Eagles was hard sarcasim--Im sure you knew that though--but I just pictured Andy and Lendale playing together in the tub of peanuts...2 elephants going at it hard..
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 04, 2006, 11:42:52 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 04, 2006, 11:40:38 PM
My guess with the Eagles was hard sarcasim
Yep.
Quote from: reese125 on April 04, 2006, 11:40:38 PM
Im sure you knew that though
Yep.
Patt, by the way.....got a couple of websites pushing Manny Lawson hard right now but saying he's too small for LB and too slow for DE. His 40 times are skewed all over the place...what r u seeing? He looks like a friggin beast though
Ryan Leaf looks dumb now because he turned out to be a bust, but hindsight is 20/20. He was a great QB in college, so at the time, no, it wasn't a bad pick.
But passing on a great proven college RB, who had a great game at the highest level in college, and is projected to be a top 20 pick. Plus you are a team that desperately needs a big back that can run between the tackles, and he falls that far and you don't take him?
Yes, it would possibly be the dumbest draft day move in NFL history.
Quote from: reese125 on April 04, 2006, 11:47:03 PM
Patt, by the way.....got a couple of websites pushing Manny Lawson hard right now but saying he's too small for LB DE and too slow for DE LB. His 40 times are skewed all over the place...what r u seeing? He looks like a friggin beast though
I saw a decent amount of Lawson, because NCSU is always on TV down here. He's 6'6", 245 or so, but certainly has the frame to add more weight. He's currently being repeatedly called a "tweener", and pundits think he'd best be suited for OLB in a 3-4.
HOWEVER, Trent Cole was the same way. He's (Cole) already up to 260+ (according to an interview Spadaro did with him), and is exactly what the Eagles like in a DE. Kearse is listed at 6'4", 265, but he probably plays at more like 255. I see Lawson as Kearse. He's not *quite* as fast, but he'll also end up being bigger. He fits the Eagles prototype of a DE, which is why I think there is actually a good chance that they draft him at #14.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 04, 2006, 11:52:04 PM
But passing on a great proven college RB, who had a great game at the highest level in college, and is projected to be a top 20 pick. Plus you are a team that desperately needs a big back that can run between the tackles, and he falls that far and you don't take him?
Yes, it would possibly be the dumbest draft day move in NFL history.
You are continually proving your lack of football acumen AND your lack of ability to use recent history and the tendencies of this front office to assist with your decisions.
I wouldn't approve of that pick. The Eagles draft down the line too often. Draft a player you need now, not someone you will need 2 years from now. You are always going to need to replace players eventually, so drafting for years later is a never-ending process. No matter what your team is, you'll always be able to look 2 or 3 years down the road and see a starter that will be at the end of a contract or old that you'll need to replace. Worry about that then, address your weaknesses now.
There is no reason to draft DE in the first round with Kearse, Howard, and Cole here. None. Not when you have glaring weaknesses at SAM, WR, DT, OG/C, and RB.
QuoteYou are continually proving your lack of football acumen AND your lack of ability to use recent history and the tendencies of this front office to assist with your decisions.
Recent history doesn't matter to me. Each occasion stands alone. We know the Eagles want a big back in here. At least according to the rumors out there. They won't take White in the first round, but to pass on him at 45? Cmon, that's crazy talk. Westbrook was a 3rd round pick, after the first round, I say it's fair game for the Eagles. You can't use recent history in this situation because, while players like Steven Jackson have been available when the Eagles have picked in the past, how often has a player of White's caliber fallen 20+ picks?
You can't compare this scenario with recent history.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 05, 2006, 12:02:28 AM
QuoteYou are continually proving your lack of football acumen AND your lack of ability to use recent history and the tendencies of this front office to assist with your decisions.
Recent history doesn't matter to me. Each occasion stands alone. We know the Eagles want a big back in here. At least according to the rumors out there. They won't take White in the first round, but to pass on him at 45? Cmon, that's crazy talk. Westbrook was a 3rd round pick, after the first round, I say it's fair game for the Eagles. You can't use recent history in this situation because, while players like Steven Jackson have been available when the Eagles have picked in the past, how often has a player of White's caliber fallen 20+ picks?
You can't compare this scenario with recent history.
not a chance in hell he goes past 25...too good regardless if he's a meatball now.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 04, 2006, 11:58:09 PM
There is no reason to draft DE in the first round with Kearse, Howard, and Cole here. None. Not when you have glaring weaknesses at SAM, WR, DT, OG/C, and RB.
Kearse was overworked last year and could really use fewer snaps.
If Howard is Howard of 2005 and not Howard of 2004 and prior, he's basically useless.
Cole should be a beast, but is still unproven.
The Eagles use a 4-man rotation at DE.
SAM - Anyone reasonably available at #14 I should know about that would be an improvement at SAM? I think any player they'd take to address that position would be a severe reach or off the board (Hawk).
WR - Chad Jackson is a possibility also at #14. Sure. Even Santonio Holmes, I guess.
DT - If Ngata or Bunkley are actually on the board, it would be silly not to go for it. But will either be there?
OG/C - See SAM description.
RB - The Eagles signed Westbrook to be a starter. They like Moats. They don't value the "big back" as you'd like them to, no matter how hard you close your eyes and wish for it. They ARE NOT going to draft a RB at #14. Get over it.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 05, 2006, 12:02:28 AM
Recent history doesn't matter to me. Each occasion stands alone. We know the Eagles want a big back in here. At least according to the rumors out there.
There are so many problems with your "logic":
1. Recent history should matter to you, because a pattern can certainly be found.
2. Rumors could mean something, and they could not. You're referring to Eskin, I take it?
3. "want a big back in here" does not come close to "using a first round pick to get a big back" -- Not even close. The team will acquire another Dorsey Levens or Lamar Gordon and not spend a cherished draft pick on a "big" back to compliment their starter, Westbrook.
KFFL reports: The Philadelphia Eagles will have a pre-draft visit with Oklahoma OG Chris Chester at an unspecified date.
Chris Chester is a 6-foot-4, 300-pound offensive lineman from Oklahoma who will be competing for a starting role in the NFL this season. Originally a tight end, turned center, who also gained valuable experience at the guard position, Chester possesses the athleticism and versatility to play multiple positions at the pro level – a real advantage heading into April's NFL Draft.
He raised his stock significantly at the NFL Combine last month in Indianapolis, blowing away the competition at his position with a 4.90 40-yard dash and a 3-cone agility time of 7.31 seconds. No one else at his position completed the 3-cone in less than 7.4 seconds. And only one other center, Boston College's Pat Ross, ran a sub-5.0 dash, posting a 4.97 result. Chester was also tops in the broad jump (8-10), vertical jump (31.5) and had the fourth-best bench press with 27 reps.
Were still looking for talent at that center position right? Might be a good 4th rounder.....
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 05, 2006, 12:08:08 AM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 04, 2006, 11:58:09 PM
There is no reason to draft DE in the first round with Kearse, Howard, and Cole here. None. Not when you have glaring weaknesses at SAM, WR, DT, OG/C, and RB.
Kearse was overworked last year and could really use fewer snaps.
If Howard is Howard of 2005 and not Howard of 2004 and prior, he's basically useless.
Cole should be a beast, but is still unproven.
The Eagles use a 4-man rotation at DE.
SAM - Anyone reasonably available at #14 I should know about that would be an improvement at SAM? I think any player they'd take to address that position would be a severe reach or off the board (Hawk).
WR - Chad Jackson is a possibility also at #14. Sure. Even Santonio Holmes, I guess.
DT - If Ngata or Bunkley are actually on the board, it would be silly not to go for it. But will either be there?
OG/C - See SAM description.
RB - The Eagles signed Westbrook to be a starter. They like Moats. They don't value the "big back" as you'd like them to, no matter how hard you close your eyes and wish for it. They ARE NOT going to draft a RB at #14. Get over it.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 05, 2006, 12:02:28 AM
Recent history doesn't matter to me. Each occasion stands alone. We know the Eagles want a big back in here. At least according to the rumors out there.
There are so many problems with your "logic":
1. Recent history should matter to you, because a pattern can certainly be found.
2. Rumors could mean something, and they could not. You're referring to Eskin, I take it?
3. "want a big back in here" does not come close to "using a first round pick to get a big back" -- Not even close. The team will acquire another Dorsey Levens or Lamar Gordon and not spend a cherished draft pick on a "big" back to compliment their starter, Westbrook.
If Howard is the Howard if 2005, then that would be a terrible signing then, huh? The Eagles seem to be working out a lot of LBs, so obviously they see some potential guys there that could help this team.
As for the Lendale thing, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see this team going down the cheap and available back route again. They learned their lesson. I think they want a guy they can sign long-term and put this weakness away for a while.
Lendale is a bum.
And he won't be there at 45. And even if he was the Eagles wouldn't draft him. So save your keystrokes and argue about something else.
He'll be a Bronco or a Steeler.
Lendale isn't a bum. My how people have soured on him because he refused to do a few workouts and drills.
Did you forget how he played in college? He's a stud, and a franchise back.
Sorry, but I like guys who don't coast on their talent and act like the NFL is a god given right to them. Bust your ass and do the workouts.
Even at USC he has a rep for being a slacker.
And regardless, the Eagles ain't picking him.
Adam Schefter of the NFL Network reports that a team "in the mid-teens" already has told USC RB LenDale White that it plans on drafting him (hello, Coach Kevlar).
Found that on PFT.com
Lendale isn't a bum. My how people have soured on him because he refused to do a few workouts and drills.
welcome to the last ten years and the combination of nauseating over promotion of the draft and the internet which has created an army of think they know it all super geeked out 'draftniks'
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 05, 2006, 12:46:39 AM
Adam Schefter of the NFL Network reports that a team "in the mid-teens" already has told USC RB LenDale White that it plans on drafting him (hello, Coach Kevlar).
Found that on PFT.com
reported on pg 23 of this thread.
FWIW, from Spadaro:
QuoteWho is the very best player in this draft? Better still, who will be the best player from this draft in four years? I say it won't be Reggie Bush. I think he'll be an excellent player, but I don't see Bush as a player who changes a franchise. I think it's defensive back Michael Huff. Now, this is purely a name I'm throwing out. I don't study the draft. But I like a kid who has that much versatility in the secondary.
Maybe Estidude was right, and the Eagles are going to trade up for Huff.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 05, 2006, 10:35:51 PM
FWIW, from Spadaro:
QuoteWho is the very best player in this draft? Better still, who will be the best player from this draft in four years? I say it won't be Reggie Bush. I think he'll be an excellent player, but I don't see Bush as a player who changes a franchise. I think it's defensive back Michael Huff. Now, this is purely a name I'm throwing out. I don't study the draft. But I like a kid who has that much versatility in the secondary.
Maybe Estidude was right, and the Eagles are going to trade up for Huff.
I would be shocked if they did so, can't say that I would mind it though.
Huff to SS, Mike Lewis to SAM? :-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 05, 2006, 10:47:05 PM
Huff to SS, Mike Lewis to SAM? :-D
Don't you think Huff would be Dawk's eventual successor?
Possibly, yes. But I honestly do think Dawkins will sign a new deal and be around a few more years, and if you trade up to get Michael Huff, you find a way to start Michael Huff with teh quickness.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 05, 2006, 10:51:27 PM
Possibly, yes. But I honestly do think Dawkins will sign a new deal and be around a few more years, and if you trade up to get Michael Huff, you find a way to start Michael Huff with teh quickness.
Being that he can play any position in the defensive backfield I don't think play time would be an issue for him.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 05, 2006, 10:47:05 PM
Huff to SS, Mike Lewis to SAM? :-D
As I said before - that might be worth a shot. Seriously.
maybe the skins could draft him considering their free safety is going to be in jail.
wait a minute, they have no draft picks. go jason campbell.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2006, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 05, 2006, 10:47:05 PM
Huff to SS, Mike Lewis to SAM? :-D
As I said before - that might be worth a shot. Seriously.
Yeah, but you're a Texas fan.
Yeah, but still. It wouldn't even have to be Huff at SS. I'd like to see Mike at SAM.
From Narducci's notes today:
Quotea source close to the situation said that the Eagles would be bringing in Notre Dame wide receiver Maurice Stovall to meet with their personnel staff. The graduate of Archbishop Carroll High School is projected to be drafted in the second or third round.
b bye Billy. Stovall would be a good pickup. With a real offense and trust from his qb this year he finally became the player everyone thought he was.
I would love to see the Eagles get Huff also. I cant get that one armed tackle of Byrd in the CS game out of my head. He would be the eventual successor to Dawk, and could play LB in passing situations depending on how quick he picks up schemes.
You're not going to get both Huff and Stovall. Huff would cost both the 1st and 2nd round picks, and even if Stovall is somehow there in the 3rd, I highly doubt the Eagles would not get anyone on either line on the first day.
Well, let's just say that if they came out of the first day with Huff and Stovall, I'm going to cry myself to sleep that night. They need depth and/or rotational guys on both lines.
gargano saying SI reporting that eagles and cleveland both are interested in ernie sims...probably pre draft curveballs but whatever im bored
we all know you cry yourself to sleep everynight so why any different draftday. So why had Rodrique Wright fallen so much? He was a top 15 pick if he came out lastyear and now i see him in many mocks falling to the 2nd round. I would love to see the birds grab him or Orien Harris with they're second rounder.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 07, 2006, 12:03:35 PM
we all know you cry yourself to sleep everynight so why any different draftday
That was unnecessary and also untrue. Take it back now, or I may have to start crying early today. Boo hoo.
Where would Ernie Sims fit on the Eagles D? Unless they're going to the all-WIL system, I just couldn't understand even the slight possibility of that pick whatsoever.
im not actively promoting it but its just what the eagles need and id be more than happy with him...hes a sideline to sideline maniacal athlete...they havent had anyone like him since seth
that said no way in hell it happens
I would have to agree that Ernie Sims is going to make big plays for whatever team drafts him. Even though it would signal the preemptive end of the Matt McCoy era, playmakers are playmakers.
That said, I wonder if the Eagles are actually thinking that McCoy could bulk up enough to have a future at MLB?
you heard Brown in his interview, hard to believe and LB or corner for that matter could come in here and make a huge impact right away based on JJ's system. Future maybe, but not good enough to be a 1st year true impact player
Sims really annoyed me in the Orange Bowl and the game against THE U. He intentionally acted hurt to get more time on the clock but like a Matthew Barnaby or Domi i would love him on my team.
you heard Brown in his interview, hard to believe and LB or corner for that matter could come in here and make a huge impact right away based on JJ's system. Future maybe, but not good enough to be a 1st year true impact player
at 14 other than perhaps one of the wr's what player will come in and make an impact this year?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 07, 2006, 12:28:24 PM
He intentionally acted hurt to get more time on the clock
Amazing to have that kind of presence of mind, along with his athletic ability.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2006, 12:28:59 PM
you heard Brown in his interview, hard to believe and LB or corner for that matter could come in here and make a huge impact right away based on JJ's system. Future maybe, but not good enough to be a 1st year true impact player
at 14 other than perhaps one of the wr's what player will come in and make an impact this year?
a DL or OL in the top tier group....thats about it. I dont care how they do it, work the phones--move up, down, horizontal-but find a way. Jackson is not our answer at receiver--he's all guesswork based on which system works for him
As far as them bringing in Sims if they feel he could make an early impact I am all for it. I agree with FF though that kind of spells the end of the Matt McCoy era. As far as rookies they could bring in that make an impact right away they could draft a RB in the first (chances are almost zero), DL, WR, or OL. WR would be the least productive but they could have a guy who could make some plays. As I said before I think the guy is Jackson, this would be the best chance they've had to bring in a rookie WR and not have pressure on him.
I'm not so sure that McCoy couldn't end up playing another spot in the starting LB group, though. Sims may be best suited to play at <230 lbs, but McCoy could probably go up to 240 or so.
Plus, considering how often Jim Johnson mirrors his own defense (ie: the WIL actually does have to cover the TE sometimes also), it could be that we're just making too much of the whole difference between WIL and SAM.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 07, 2006, 01:42:46 PM
I'm not so sure that McCoy couldn't end up playing another spot in the starting LB group, though. Sims may be best suited to play at <230 lbs, but McCoy could probably go up to 240 or so.
Plus, considering how often Jim Johnson mirrors his own defense (ie: the WIL actually does have to cover the TE sometimes also), it could be that we're just making too much of the whole difference between WIL and SAM.
Didn't McCoy say he wanted to play at a lower weight?
I agree with FF though that kind of spells the end of the Matt McCoy era.
good riddance
i dont see a lineman at 14 that would come in and drastically improve the team...bunkley (if hes even there which is unlikely) or someone like that could be a solid addition like patterson was last year but they arent gonna be the difference wins and losses...on offense what lineman at 14 would even start for the team much less be a difference maker
i agree with you on rb but thats not gonna happen so i didnt even address it
Yes, he did. He leaned out to 225. He apparently is stronger and quicker than he was last year at 235 or so, according to him. It could also be that we make too much of a guy's weight. There are plenty of defensive players in the NFL that go less than 230 and could stop any back or any TE in their tracks with a quality hit.
USA Today's 2006 Draft Prospect Database (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/nfldraft06/flash.htm)
Cool site. They have all of the players listed along with round projections and stuff like that.
good stuff
Phreak,
Thanks. I was getting sick of NFL Draft Countdown. Can't wait for the Sporting News issue that breaks the week of the draft. It contains the best updated information.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2006, 04:00:32 PM
USA Today's 2006 Draft Prospect Database (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/nfldraft06/flash.htm)
Cool site. They have all of the players listed along with round projections and stuff like that.
They have Martin Nance a 4th-5th rounder. Finally a site that doesnt only see that he's 6'5". If anyones ever seen him play they know he isnt a day 1 pick.
Oh-Oh, they have Todd Watkins WR BYU climbing the charts. :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2006, 04:00:32 PM
USA Today's 2006 Draft Prospect Database (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/nfldraft06/flash.htm)
Cool site. They have all of the players listed along with round projections and stuff like that.
It has to sting Jason Avant to be exactly one slot behind Michael Robinson at WR.
Also, interesting to see Kamerion Wimbley at #15 overall. Hmmm.
Mark Eckel, writing for the Sporting News, reports the Philadelphia Eagles appear to be leaning to trading up in the NFL Draft. They currently sit in the No. 14 position. Their target appears to be Oregon DT Haloti Ngata. The 6-4, 340-pound Ngata would give the team a run-stuffing presence in the middle of the defensive line and could be a perfect complement to DT Mike Patterson.
Work the phones...lets go
So, the Eagles are almost certainly NOT trading up, and if they do, it's NOT for Ngata or Huff.
Got it.
Quote from: reese125 on April 08, 2006, 05:28:45 PM
. The 6-4, 340-pound Ngata would give the team a run-stuffing presence in the middle of the defensive line and could be a perfect complement to DT Mike Patterson.
I would just luuuuuuuuuuuvvv to see them draft Ngata.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 08, 2006, 05:39:41 PM
So, the Eagles are almost certainly NOT trading up, and if they do, it's NOT for Ngata or Huff.
Got it.
have some faith buddy.....
I predicted a month or so ago that I think we'll trade up for Ngata. I'll stick with that prediction.
If they can finagle a trade up and get him, I would be very happy. He's a stud.
Quote from: reese125 on April 08, 2006, 05:28:45 PM
Mark Eckel, writing for the Sporting News, reports the Philadelphia Eagles appear to be leaning to trading up in the NFL Draft. They currently sit in the No. 14 position. Their target appears to be Oregon DT Haloti Ngata. The 6-4, 340-pound Ngata would give the team a run-stuffing presence in the middle of the defensive line and could be a perfect complement to DT Mike Patterson.
Work the phones...lets go
::) who's that moron being played by this time? Ngata's agent? The Eagles? One of the teams drafting ahead of the Eagles?
I'm fine with moving up for Ngata, I just pray Andy doesn't get desperate and throw in our 2nd rounder. He doesn't really fit the mold as far as JJs DTs goes, but dude can play and that's all that counts.
Well, he kind of does fit JJ's mold. One thing Spads has always said when people ask him about getting a big body DT is that "If they can move, sure. And there are very few who are that size and can move like JJ likes" (paraphrashing)...
So Ngata fits into that big-and-can-move mold. He's no Grady Jackson.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2006, 08:29:01 PM
So Ngata fits into that big-and-can-move mold. He's no Grady Jackson.
Does he shoot gaps well? I only watched him play once but he was impressive. The number 1 reason I like him is because he can collapse a pocket. Corey was a fat slob but he had that powerful lower body and low center of gravity that enabled him to drive Guards back and open things up for the other DTs.
If the Eagles get Ngata, they'd have the best defensive line in the NFC.
Kearse
Patterson
Ngata
Howard
That's a sick defensive line, dudes.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 08, 2006, 08:33:23 PM
If the Eagles get Ngata, they'd have the best defensive line in the NFC.
Kearse
Patterson
Ngata
Howard
That's a sick defensive line, dudes.
I don't know about all that, the Panthers still have a great D-line even though they have some injury problems. Atlanta adding Abraham puts them a tier above us. And the Bears D-line is one of the best in the entire NFL.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 08, 2006, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2006, 08:29:01 PM
So Ngata fits into that big-and-can-move mold. He's no Grady Jackson.
Does he shoot gaps well? I only watched him play once but he was impressive. The number 1 reason I like him is because he can collapse a pocket. Corey was a fat slob but he had that powerful lower body and low center of gravity that enabled him to drive Guards back and open things up for the other DTs.
He wouldnt be as highly regarded as he is if he didnt shoot the gap well. With that kind of agility/speed for a big man, your damn right he can shoot it. Ill cross my fingers on this one, and hope the Eagles go against all odds and do something differently than expected--like move up in the draft.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 08, 2006, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2006, 08:29:01 PM
So Ngata fits into that big-and-can-move mold. He's no Grady Jackson.
Does he shoot gaps well? I only watched him play once but he was impressive. The number 1 reason I like him is because he can collapse a pocket. Corey was a fat slob but he had that powerful lower body and low center of gravity that enabled him to drive Guards back and open things up for the other DTs.
Yeah, he can shoot gaps. He had 9 TFL's and 3 sacks last year at ORE. He can shoot or he can play a two gap and occupy blockers. That's why some of the 3-4 teams are looking at him too b.c he could control the nose.
So if you had a choice, and this question is for everybody, who would you take:
A. Bunkley
B. Ngata
Ngata...based off of speed and bulk alone
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 08, 2006, 08:42:15 PM
So if you had a choice, and this question is for everybody, who would you take:
A. Bunkley
B. Ngata
Ngata first and then Bunkley. Even though I love BB, Ngata is the #1 DT in this draft. And you cannot turn down that size/speed combo. A future of him and Mikey Pat at DT is shorts tightening awesome.
I saw Bunkley play a lot at FSU and in all honesty, I don't know why everyone is so gung ho to get him. Yes, he was a good player but I don't know about spending a #14 pick on him.
Ngata? He'd definitely be worth going up for, so my answer, obviously, is Ngata.
Quote from: reese125 on April 08, 2006, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 08, 2006, 05:39:41 PM
So, the Eagles are almost certainly NOT trading up, and if they do, it's NOT for Ngata or Huff.
Got it.
have some faith buddy.....
You assume I WANT the Eagles to move up, which is extremely far from anything resembling truth.
Ngata without a doubt I think he has much more potential to be a run-stuffing force.
bunkly isnt anything special...no better than patterson...ngata is much better and is the ideal pick here if they can snag him...they need a run stuffer so bad it hurts
Bunkley is listed by FSU @ 6'4" and 284. Ngata is what, 340 or so?
In all honesty, I can't understand why Bunkley is rated as high as he is and this is an FSU fan saying this. Yeah, he was a nice player in college and he had a very good senior year, but still, picking him at 14 seems like a whopper of a stretch to me.
Meh - I don't know...
Ngata without a doubt but then again Eckel is the source. I hear Kevin Johnson just re-entered the draft, and andy might move up to get him finally.
NGATA
Yes, and I'd rather have Ngata if given the choice, I think. Close call, though, because Bunkley will get more sacks.
Thanks all for the feedback, I haven't followed the college draft as closely as I have in previous seasons, but I'm aboard the Ngata bandwagon.
So I'll throw this question out next: A team wants our 2nd to move up a few spots to draft Ngata:
A. Is he worth it?
B. You're the GM, do you make that trade?
I might make that deal if that team could give us back a 4th rounder (no, I'm not kidding) or so also. Their 1st and 4th for our 1st and 2nd. There will be a lot of guys spilling into the 4th this year with talent.
It also depends how far we're talking about here. If we're only talking about moving up to 11 or so, then no way. If we're talking about 8 or 9, then the 2nd probably has to be part of the deal.
I'd still prefer to stay put or trade back, though... probably.
I really don't want to see them give up a 2nd rounder in this years draft I think it will be a very valuable pick. If they could give up a 3rd to move up to somewhere say 10 or 11 then they should do it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 09, 2006, 11:31:44 AM
I might make that deal if that team could give us back a 4th rounder (no, I'm not kidding) or so also. Their 1st and 4th for our 1st and 2nd. There will be a lot of guys spilling into the 4th this year with talent.
It also depends how far we're talking about here. If we're only talking about moving up to 11 or so, then no way. If we're talking about 8 or 9, then the 2nd probably has to be part of the deal.
I'd still prefer to stay put or trade back, though... probably.
That would make sense and if Ngata is that good it would be worth it.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 09, 2006, 12:29:15 PM
I really don't want to see them give up a 2nd rounder in this years draft I think it will be a very valuable pick. If they could give up a 3rd to move up to somewhere say 10 or 11 then they should do it.
I'm a greedy selfish bastich, I don't mind trading the 2nd rounder away, what I mind is having to sit through a whole nother round to make our pick. Sort of ruins draft day.
Ngata sounds like a beast. I want a huge DT as bad as i want some more running plays.
Quote from: mussa on April 09, 2006, 01:29:37 PM
I want a huge DT as bad as i want some more running plays.
You are fighting a losing battle.
I'm pretty much with FF here. I would give up a #2 if it meant going up to #8 or somewhere in that area. But if it means going to 11? Negative, ghostrider.
This is a very deep draft at DT. And with the rotation we use at DT and already having the pass rushing DT in Mike Patterson. I dont think it would be worth going up in the draft for a run stuffing DT. When in the second round you can nail down a very good one. Like Gabe Watson, Jesse Mehlona, Claude Wrotten, Johnathan Lewis to name a few. This team would be in a much better postion with the 14th pick to take the best WR in this draft class in Chad Jackson who is a physical freak. And is the fastest recevier in the draft to strech the field. With Pinky coming of a serious injury and G. Lewis really under performing and Gaffeny only on a one year deal. We could really use another WR.
Chad Jackson?! Good God.
Can't get enough of those Gator Wide Receivers...
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Quote from: xtacy1238 on April 09, 2006, 02:37:04 PM
This is a very deep draft at DT. And with the rotation we use at DT and already having the pass rushing DT in Mike Patterson. I dont think it would be worth going up in the draft for a run stuffing DT. When in the second round you can nail down a very good one. Like Gabe Watson, Jesse Mehlona, Claude Wrotten, Johnathan Lewis to name a few. This team would be in a much better postion with the 14th pick to take the best WR in this draft class in Chad Jackson who is a physical freak. And is the fastest recevier in the draft to strech the field. With Pinky coming of a serious injury and G. Lewis really under performing and Gaffeny only on a one year deal. We could really use another WR.
X I totally agree with you. Go for a WR in the first If Chad Jackson is there at 14 the birds have got to snag him. I don't know enough about Santonio Holmes. They can definitely score a stud DT in the second round. The four you mentioned should/could be available when the birds pick in the second round at 45. I have always followed Mahelona since he is from Hawaii. He did not have the greatest senior season but he was double teamed a lot and apparently had a poor week at the Senior Bowl. I don't put a whole lot of stock in that though.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 09, 2006, 05:36:38 PM
Chad Jackson?! Good God.
Can't get enough of those Gator Wide Receivers...
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I don't think you can go by that anymore they now play under a different system. Also what about PSU running backs they haven't had a good track record recently than look at Larry Johnson he was playing as good as any RB in the league by the end of the season. So just because a guy goes to a certain school doesn't mean you should pass them up.
I totally agree with that. You wouldnt turn down a deal on a Ferarii just cause it was on a used car lot. And how many people out there would not want Darrell Jackson right now? Granted he is just one. Ike Hillard and Travis Taylor are pretty good also. I dont think anyone school is 100% production giant for WR's!
Chad Jackson might be an OK pick, but I can't be too pumped about him. Another possible bust.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 09, 2006, 07:34:27 PM
Chad Jackson might be an OK pick, but I can't be too pumped about him. Another possible bust.
Outside of Justice, any of those picks could be potential busts. OL seems to be one of the safer positions to draft but anybody they draft could be a bust. WR definately has a higher propensity to be that though.
I think the Eagles have the best chance of drafting a bust at WR - far above any other position, except maybe LB.
I know I DON'T want Chad Greenway, Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes.
Pretty much anyone else in round 1 and I am ok. Give me Ngata or Bunkley and I an more than happy.
Adding a playmaker of Jacksons calibar would be great for this team! What is your objection to him philly phreak?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2006, 10:11:15 PM
I know I DON'T want Chad Greenway, Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes.
Pretty much anyone else in round 1 and I am ok. Give me Ngata or Bunkley and I an more than happy.
I am with you on Greenway, but I would be happy if they got Holmes or Jackson they both have a tremendous amount of upside.
I'll take Holmes over Jackson, because he's the better all around receiver.
But if we go after Walker, that'll be moot. Give me a DT please. I don't care if it's Bunkley or Ngata. Give me one.
Quote from: xtacy1238 on April 09, 2006, 11:04:28 PM
Adding a playmaker of Jacksons calibar would be great for this team! What is your objection to him philly phreak?
I can't really give a solid reason. I know thats wishy-washy but I just can't. I am always nervous of guys who climb the charts after a great showing at the combine. I know some will say Bunkley is a guy like that, but I saw him play a lot during the year and also saw him at the Senior Bowl all week. I put more emphasis on what a guy does with pads on than what he runs on a fast track without pads and with track shoes on.
if you take a wr round 1 you take moss
ESPN Insider lists the Eagles needs as SAM LB, WR, OT, RB, and FS... and lists DT and FB as "other possibilities".
I guess we don't need a DT after all. Scouts Inc. says so.
i agree...i think the DT position is ok...the reason people say they are going to take one is because their secondary is fine and they dont like linebackers...i just cant validate taking the same position two years in a row...it reeks of front office imcompetance...if nothing else lets see if patterson can be a #1 type guy while you try to shore up a more need position like LB or wr
Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but I think the real key is Darwin Walker. He started out last season strong, then he had that thigh injury that kept him out for a while, and he was not the same through the end of the season. He can be a very good (not great) DT, and the Eagles need him to be. If he can play well, the Eagles should wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to get a DT that can be part of the rotation.
if the banner interview last week was even 1% true then i dont see them taking a DT...he couldnt stop gushing about walker and kept saying the same thing as you...that he was hurt all year but when healthy he was one of the best pass rushing DT's in the league
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2006, 08:16:29 AM
i agree...i think the DT position is ok...the reason people say they are going to take one is because their secondary is fine and they dont like linebackers...i just cant validate taking the same position two years in a row...it reeks of front office imcompetance...if nothing else lets see if patterson can be a #1 type guy while you try to shore up a more need position like LB or wr
So when the Jaguars took DT two years in a row picking Stroud and Henderson that was FO imcompetance? Hmm.....if that is the case I hope the Eagles can be so lucky.
If the BPA is a DT, great. But they have no reason to REACH for one if they feel Walker will come back strong.
So when the Jaguars took DT two years in a row picking Stroud and Henderson that was FO imcompetance? Hmm.....if that is the case I hope the Eagles can be so lucky.
the incompetance is in letting the position get to the point that its so bad you have to spend two consecutive #1's on the same position...especially in the eagles case where there are certain positions that they totally ignore...when thats your philosophy its inexcusable to let one of your value areas become so needy
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2006, 10:02:36 AM
So when the Jaguars took DT two years in a row picking Stroud and Henderson that was FO imcompetance? Hmm.....if that is the case I hope the Eagles can be so lucky.
the incompetance is in letting the position get to the point that its so bad you have to spend two consecutive #1's on the same position...especially in the eagles case where there are certain positions that they totally ignore...when thats your philosophy its inexcusable to let one of your value areas become so needy
Some of the players they were counting on last season didn't step it up like Rayburn and Walker, maybe that was due to injury. Walker played well until he got hurt last season.
the incompetance is in letting the position get to the point that its so bad you have to spend two consecutive #1's on the same position
incompetence is a strong word...there is a reason were typing on a computer now and those guys are in the position their at. I see nothing wrong in trying to build a stud defensive line for the future. We dont know how Patterson is going to play out...christ, he could turn out to be a gold mine for all we know.
..and I want to thank everyone in here for allowing me to reach the 300 posts milestone (SunMo and Rjs especially). Its truly an honor and I couldnt have done it without you. God Bless.
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I know...corny as hell but i couldnt resist :flipoff
i didnt say they were overall imcompetant...i said having to take two DT's in consecutive years doesnt look very good
just as they deserve a ton of credit for turning over the secondary the way they did...they also deserve blame for letting the DT position get so bad
What confuses me is that the DT position is at the same point now before the draft whether or not they do, in fact, draft a DT in the 1st round. So, if the BPA is a DT, and the Eagles think their DT's are ok, but they go for the BPA... are they still incompetent? Or, if they think DT needs to be addressed in the draft, but they don't... wouldn't THAT make them even MORE incompetent?
well, if games are won at the lime of scrimmage, defense wins championships, and the other defensive positions look solid (except for LB, but they wont pay top $$ in the draft based on their system), then I say good for them. Defensive line is worth top dollar and the pick IMO.
What confuses me is that the DT position is at the same point now before the draft whether or not they do, in fact, draft a DT in the 1st round. So, if the BPA is a DT, and the Eagles think their DT's are ok, but they go for the BPA... are they still incompetent? Or, if they think DT needs to be addressed in the draft, but they don't... wouldn't THAT make them even MORE incompetent?
again they arent incompetant if they draft a DT...because they do need one...but i think its a bad thing that they have a allowed one of their coveted positions to become a need for the last two years
lb and wr you can undersstand as they just dont care about those spots...but DT should not be a need this year and it is
Two things contributed to the Eagles being unsure about their DT situation:
1. Rayburn was really showing signs of being a good 3rd DT and sucked ass last year.
2. Walker can be a very good DT but never recovered after his injury last year.
If either of those guys step up, the DT rotation can be actually really good. If they both step up, the DT rotation will be fairly close to stellar.
Frankly, I don't know why we see DT as much more of a need than DB. The DB's looked like crap and had injury issues last year, also... most notably Lito and Mike Lewis. If we assume that they will bounce back, why don't we assume that Walker and Rayburn will bounce back?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 10, 2006, 10:48:51 AM
Two things contributed to the Eagles being unsure about their DT situation:
1. Rayburn was really showing signs of being a good 3rd DT and sucked ass last year.
2. Walker can be a very good DT but never recovered after his injury last year.
If either of those guys step up, the DT rotation can be actually really good. If they both step up, the DT rotation will be fairly close to stellar.
Frankly, I don't know why we see DT as much more of a need than DB. The DB's looked like crap and had injury issues last year, also... most notably Lito and Mike Lewis. If we assume that they will bounce back, why don't we assume that Walker and Rayburn will bounce back?
because when you have 2 recent Pro-bowlers, you feel confident that position is stable--regardless of injury--any serious injury of course
rayburn is average at best and always has been...he had a nice year in 04...but the second people caught on to him he became invisible...hes undrafted out of tulsa and should be commended for even making the team but come on hes a back up type guy
walker i like and is solid...would be a nice a player next to a pro bowler
the problem is their philosophy of getting a bunch of middlings and throwing them in there in a rotation setting...instead of getting two starter quality dt's...yeah rayburn had six sacks in 04...but thats the problem...he shouldnt be playing enough to get six sacks...but instead we hear how good a find this guy was...give him a neat nickname....and fool the fanbase into believing hes a player
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2006, 10:56:57 AM
rayburn is average at best and always has been...he had a nice year in 04...but the second people caught on to him he became invisible...hes undrafted out of tulsa and should be commended for even making the team but come on hes a back up type guy
walker i like and is solid...would be a nice a player next to a pro bowler
the problem is their philosophy of getting a bunch of middlings and throwing them in there in a rotation setting...instead of getting two starter quality dt's...yeah rayburn had six sacks in 04...but thats the problem...he shouldnt be playing enough to get six sacks...but instead we hear how good a find this guy was...give him a neat nickname....and fool the fanbase into believing hes a player
IGY, I couldnt agree more...I think Rayburn needs to hit the truck stop for a quickie
I didn't say anything about Rayburn being starter-quality. The bottom line is that if the Eagles like to rotate defensive linemen, which they do, it IS better to have 4 quality guys than 2 top-end guys and 2 total scrubs.
I would love to see them bring in someone to prove that Rayburn sucks, but if Walker's healthy... both he and Patterson can be very good starting tackles... as good as you'd hope to have with a rotational system.
We agree anyway... the Eagles should be looking elsewhere with the #1 pick. They can find a good DT in round 2 or 3 this year. They should draft someone who can come in and inject the team with some serious playmaking ability in the first round... be it a crazy DE with a nose for killing the QB, or an OLB that simply cannot be kept off the field due to serious athleticism and playmaking ability, a WR that will force opposing defenses to change their scheme, or a DB that can blanket a receiver one play and crash the line of scrimmage another.
At #14, the Eagles should be able to add an extremely talented young man who will make plays and contribute in 2006 AND in the future. They shouldn't be too picky about what position he plays.
yep
my dream scenario would be to get moss in the first and howard or mcintosh in the second...tho i dont think either will be there
Thomas Howard would start at SAM immediately, IMO. I would love to have him in the 2nd, and he very well could be there if some of the top LB's are falling in the draft, which I think they will.
The difference I see with Lewis and Sheppard is they will be better with improved Dline play. When the Eagles generate pressure it covers their deficiencies.
QuoteEagles | Cofield to visit
Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:37:15 -0700
NFL Draft prospect DL Barry Cofield (Northwestern) is scheduled to have a pre-draft visit with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Philly.com
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USC's Justice to visit Eagles
Southern California offensive tackle Winston Justice is scheduled to visit the Eagles late this afternoon as general manager Tom Heckert and head coach Andy Reid continue to decide which player they will take with the 14th overall pick when the NFL draft begins April 29.
Justice, 6-foot-6 and 319 pounds, is entering the draft after his junior season at USC, where he played with such stars as quarterback Matt Leinart and running backs Reggie Bush and Lendale White. All four players are projected as first-round picks.
Though Justice played right tackle at USC, he could move to the left side at the professional level. As the right tackle for the Trojans, Justice protected the lefthanded Leinart's blind side.
The Eagles took an offensive lineman in the first round one other time during Reid's tenure. Two years ago, they selected tackle Shawn Andrews from the University of Arkansas and moved him to guard.
Offensive tackle is not an immediate need for the Eagles, but veterans Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas are both in their 30s, and it appears as if second-year lineman Todd Herremans is about to be moved from tackle to guard.
Shocker. :o
Just heard the same thing on Sirius, Randy Cross was talking about him yesterday saying he has some maturity issues and that he should have stayed in school 1 more year. Said if he would have opted to stay in school for 1 more season that he would be the D'Brickashaw of next years draft.
It'd be boring, but Justice would be an excellent pick if he was there at fourteen. If he has D'Brick type physical skills, he'd have time to evolve them with Runyan and Tra still hanging around. Herremans and Justice will eventually make some damn nice bookends.
Herremans and Justice will eventually make some damn nice bookends.
i wouldnt be so sure of that...the eagles have drafted about two 'damn nice' offensive lineman in the last 30 years...i hope youre right but i wouldnt count on them striking gold twice in two years...with one of them being a division III player
Based off what I saw from Manneans last season, he sure didn't seem like any kind of Division III project kind of player. I think you read a bit too much into what school or division the guy came from. Dude stepped in and played pretty damn well last year, with no expierience.
Using your logic, if Justice was there at fourteen, the Eagles shouldn't pick him because they have only picked two solid lineman in the last 30 years??
Selecting Justice is a completely different scenario then when they picked Herremans. Herremans has the potential to be a nice find - a steal possibly. Justice is a highly rated tackle by a lot of teams, and most likely won't be on the board when the Eagles pick. With Herremans they may have "struck gold", but if Justice came in and performed in a manner that befit a starting type of player, he'd be doing what he was supposed to be doing as a first round selection.
im not saying dont take him...im just saying with the eagles long history of offensive lineman failures i wouldnt pencil them in and say they are gonna be the bookends of the future
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2006, 10:25:37 AM
im not saying dont take him...im just saying with the eagles long history of offensive lineman failures i wouldnt pencil them in and say they are gonna be the bookends of the future
Not only that, but the book on Herremans is that he'll never be a *stud* LT. He's remarkably servicable, but Justice has the capability of being an absolute stud there for years to come.
I would love Justice as an Eagle. I think we would def. have to trade up to get him. I have read comparisons to Walter Jones. If he is half the player we would be in excelent shape. And I think he could step in and follow the Shawn Andrews way and play left gaurd this year. Before replacing Bad Back Thomas in a yr or two.
Quote from: xtacy1238 on April 11, 2006, 11:52:58 AM
I would love Justice as an Eagle. I think we would def. have to trade up to get him. I have read comparisons to Walter Jones. If he is half the player we would be in excelent shape. And I think he could step in and follow the Shawn Andrews way and play left gaurd this year. Before replacing Bad Back Thomas in a yr or two.
(applause)
Excellent post, without any mention of Chad Jackson. His scrotum thanks you for the breather.
if chad jackson could be half as good as reidel anthony tyler jacobs or travis taylor the eagles would be in awful shape
bonus points for a reidel anthony mention
Well thanks! It was REALY tough for me!
Well if they do go with Justice in one I see them in the next 2 rounds looking at DT and WR. The DT's are very deep and will def. get one they like. Receivers I would be interested in those spots are Travis Wilson, Oklahoma, Devin Aromashodu, Auburn, Todd Watkins, BYU, Greg Jennings, Western Michagan, Johnathan Orr, Wisconsin, Greg Lee, Pittsburgh and Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame. So first round Winston Justice, Second One of the DT's maybe Johnathan Lewis or Rodrique Wright. Third round one of the recivers Travis Wilson prefered.
With all that being said. I do like the QB's this year with the possiblity of switching to WR such as Michael Robinson, Brad Smith and Reggie McNeal. If we could get on of those guys in the 4th and select maybe a linbacker in the 3rd i wouldnt mind that.
if chad jackson could be half as good as reidel anthony tyler jacobs or travis taylor the eagles would be in awful shape.....
Or he could be better than Darrell Jackson, Ike Hilliard and Travis Taylor and the Eagles would be in Excellent shape.
Only time will tell! Im sure he will be a good pro!
Quote from: xtacy1238 on April 11, 2006, 12:09:04 PM
Well thanks! It was REALY tough for me!
Well if they do go with Justice in one I see them in the next 2 rounds looking at DT and WR. The DT's are very deep and will def. get one they like. Receivers I would be interested in those spots are Travis Wilson, Oklahoma, Devin Aromashodu, Auburn, Todd Watkins, BYU, Greg Jennings, Western Michagan, Johnathan Orr, Wisconsin, Greg Lee, Pittsburgh and Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame. So first round Winston Justice, Second One of the DT's maybe Johnathan Lewis or Rodrique Wright. Third round one of the recivers Travis Wilson prefered.
With all that being said. I do like the QB's this year with the possiblity of switching to WR such as Michael Robinson, Brad Smith and Reggie McNeal. If we could get on of those guys in the 4th and select maybe a linbacker in the 3rd i wouldnt mind that.
You have to believe that the guys in
bold are being scouted heavily by the Eagles. Another guy I like with a 3rd round grade or so is Jonathan Orr from Wisconsin.
I would like to get a Brad Smith or Reggie McNeal, I guess... would be kind of like Seneca Wallace for the Seahawks. It all depends on where you decide to take a flier on a guy like that.
:-D
Edited - laughing @ xtasy's post, not FF's.
Quote from: xtacy1238 on April 11, 2006, 11:52:58 AMI have read comparisons to Walter Jones. If he is half the player we would be in excelent shape.
Half the talent of a Pro Bowl player would be a mediocre player.
Artis Hicks, for example.
Half the talent of a player far and above the best at his possition is a very good player!
Quote from: xtacy1238 on April 11, 2006, 11:52:58 AM
I have read comparisons to Walter Jones.
Walter
Jones
Winston
Justice
That explains the comparisons.
that's freaky
They both wore RED in college, too. Weird.
And they both play OT. :o
I think Jackson is a great prospect but I want a guy who can help us win the Super Bowl THIS year, which most likely means not a WR (yes, the WR position does need upgrading, but it needs to be done thru free agency/trade). I want a OT, DT, LB, or RB at 14, and would be very happy with Justice.
justice wouldnt even play this year and even if he did he wouldnt help them win a superbowl
he could be their big back?
hmmmm?
He wouldn't be a starter going into TC, but with the way our OLs go down my guess is he'd see a significant number of snaps and probably start a few games.
anything's possible at this stage.
If they draft Justice with the first pick it is not to sit on the bench! He will play this year and will help this team alot. Now with the right side set and him not being a center that leaves the left side. IF Tra comes back healthy pencil him in at Left gaurd to start. He has very quick feet and stong at the piont of attack. Sounds alot like Andrews to me. Minus the wieght.
Quote from: xtacy1238 on April 11, 2006, 03:06:40 PM
If they draft Justice with the first pick it is not to sit on the bench! He will play this year and will help this team alot. Now with the right side set and him not being a center that leaves the left side. IF Tra comes back healthy pencil him in at Left gaurd to start. He has very quick feet and stong at the piont of attack. Sounds alot like Andrews to me. Minus the wieght.
Assuming Tra is healthy (I know... big assumption), everyone and their momma associated with the Eagles has said that they really like Herremans at LG. Where does that leave him if you pencil in Justice? Obviously, Justice would be the more highly touted guy coming out of college, but Herremans has experience on the o-line. If they do draft Justice, I doubt it'd be to start. It'd be a similar situation to Sheldon and Lito when Troy and Bobby were ahead of them.
I think you said it best in Justice being more Highly tauted. Which doesnt mean he should play over Herremans. But I think It gives him a leg up. And Herremans can be there for either of are aging takles if they go down. And Herremans is coming of a season ending injury also right?
Quote from: xtacy1238 on April 11, 2006, 03:17:21 PM
I think you said it best in Justice being more Highly tauted. Which doesnt mean he should play over Herremans. But I think It gives him a leg up. And Herremans can be there for either of are aging takles if they go down. And Herremans is coming of a season ending injury also right?
Christ dude, I've been trying not say anything in the hopes that your were drunk or high on PCP, but the quality has not improved. Reading your posts makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a rusty, old skeleton key. How about a little quality control? For starters.....hit the farging spell check button just before you post.
Quote from: xtacy1238 on April 11, 2006, 03:17:21 PM
I think you said it best in Justice being more Highly tauted. Which doesnt mean he should play over Herremans. But I think It gives him a leg up.
I disagree. Yes, Justice is a 1st rounder compared to Herremans being a 4th rounder, but don't forget that he was a guy that the Eagles thought enough of to trade up to ensure they got. They obviously think he has long term potential and I think they'll give him every opportunity to get on the field... which speaks to why they look to be giving him a shot at LG even though we have both Tra and Runyan at this point.
I think that if both Herremans and Justice are on the roster and one of the OT's go down... then they'd look to Herremans as the 1st option because he has played at the NFL level at the position and impressed while doing so. If they do draft Justice, I think it's a move to make him and Herremans the OT's for the future, but not necessarily this year.
Ok I see your point. And I really like Herremans also. And if you add Justice to the mix. I am very confident we have enough depth if anyone gets injured or stays injured. So if all Justice does is cause competion and Herremans wins out. Great for the team!
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Justice was our first pick. In fact I almost expect it, because I usually don't get what I want in the draft.
It would be a bad pick though. Simply because our needs right now are not tackle. If Bunkley and Ngata are off the board then I'd think about it, but IMO we'd need to trade up for Justice, which would make it the bad pick. If you trade up in this draft you better get a DT.
Ngata and Huff are the only two players I could see the Eagles trading up to get.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 11, 2006, 04:14:22 PM
Ngata and Huff are the only two players I could see that make any sense whatsoever for the Eagles to trade up to get.
:yay
Well, I only see things that make sense, so that's an obvious conclusion.
if youre the eagles theres three players worth trading up for in this draft:
veedee
mario williams
brick
the end
No doubt those are the three best overall players in the draft.
i think bush is #2 behind veedee...but the eagles dont need him
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2006, 04:18:46 PM
if youre the eagles theres three players worth trading up for in this draft:
veedee
mario williams
brick
the end
It was a question of what makes sense for them to do. Moving up to get any of those cats would result in them giving up the majority of all of their other picks, which as alluded to previously, makes zero sense. So to the Eagles FO, they aren't worth it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 11, 2006, 04:14:22 PM
Ngata and Huff are the only two players I could see the Eagles trading up to get.
I agree with Huff. Eagles love to replace aging players, and who better to replace Dawk with than Huff? He has HOFer written all over him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2006, 04:22:27 PM
i think bush is #2 behind veedee...but the eagles dont need him
I don't even count Bush as in the draft anymore. I know he's going first overall, and I know it won't be to the Eagles. While the odds of them ending up with D'Brick, Mario, or VD are ridiculously small, they are not ZERO as with Bush.
Plus, I would actually put Bush just behind those three, because I think he has major injury written all over him at the NFL level. One torn up knee, and the hope won't reign so eternal for Reggie Bush.
Huff is worth trading up for
Moss is in Philly having dinner w/ the coaching staff now. He worked out for Andy and the crew this afternoon. :boo
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 11, 2006, 07:29:45 PM
Moss is in Philly having dinner w/ the coaching staff now. He worked out for Andy and the crew this afternoon. :boo
Sinorice?
Uh-huh.
What's wrong with them having a closer look? What if he's going to be a very dynamic NFL player?
Great news depending on how far he falls.
As a second round pick? Nah. If he falls to the 3rd I'd take him in a second. He can play in the return game as well as a speedy receiver in certain plays on offense.
Eventually he'd fill the role of Pinkston as the speed guy that stretches the field.
Sinorice Moss will not fall into the 3rd round. C'mon, man. Make an effort to live in reality here.
I wasnt aware that a ":boo" meant I was questioning the FO for looking at him. By all means, look.
Personally, I dont like the guy. He's only racked up 1000 yards....in his entire collegiate career. People think he is better than he is because of his name, and his school. There will be better receivers available in the 3rd or 4th round. If he were available at 45, I'd say take a look. Then take a pass.
Well, I'd have to assume that the FO can evaluate him more thoroughly than you or I, and there's no reason to think he wouldn't be a great value pick at #45. That said, I couldn't stand it if they drafted him at #14.
What exactly do you like about him? Seriously...
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 11, 2006, 08:08:14 PM
Sinorice Moss will not fall into the 3rd round. C'mon, man. Make an effort to live in reality here.
I don't think he will either, but better chance of him going 3rd than in the first.
It's not a longshot either. Holmes, Jackson, Hagan, Avant, Stovall are all better receivers, among others.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 11, 2006, 08:12:25 PM
What exactly do you like about him? Seriously...
I like that he would give the Eagles a dedicated option in the return game immediately, even if he never significantly contributes as a WR. Who's going to return punts for the Eagles this year... Lito? Westbrook? Ugh.
Don't get me wrong... I'm not dangling from his dangle like IGY is, but I can see what he might bring to the table.
He's speedy, and that counts for something as a receiver. As long as your hands don't suck, and his don't.
QuoteEagles | Team expected to visit with D. Ferguson
Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:08:33 -0700
Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports University of Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson is expected to visit with the Philadelphia Eagles Wednesday, April 12.
Quote from: jms246 on April 11, 2006, 08:26:49 PM
QuoteEagles | Team expected to visit with D. Ferguson
Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:08:33 -0700
Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports University of Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson is expected to visit with the Philadelphia Eagles Wednesday, April 12.
Ha.
Wow. How would they manage to draft him again?
I'm not reading shtein into that. Blowing smoke.
Maybe they want to see how Justice compares to him in the drills they've set up.
When is Bush scheduled...next Tuesday? Please
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 11, 2006, 08:53:02 PM
Wow. How would they manage to draft him again?
Mahe and our first for the Saints' first. Duh.
My only thing with Moss is his production other than his Senior year there isn't much to go on and it is not like he was even a TD machine this season. How many did he have 6? I think he has some serious potential I am with FF if they could get him in the second or trade down into the late first by all means scoop him up.
Well, I didn't even say "by all means"... I just don't understand what people could have against the guy? So what if he's short? It doesn't matter if the kid can ball, right?
its amazing what 4.3 speed and the blood of another "Moss" will do for u...even if you were just average in college
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 11, 2006, 10:04:56 PM
Well, I didn't even say "by all means"... I just don't understand what people could have against the guy? So what if he's short? It doesn't matter if the kid can ball, right?
Yeah, well I did; what I am saying is I would not mind at all if they took him late in the first or in the second, I just don't want him at #14.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 11, 2006, 09:35:40 PM
Maybe they want to see how Justice compares to him in the drills they've set up.
Good point. Plus they are obviously investigating every player who they like and has a remote chance of dropping to where they could trade up for him. even though the chances of Brick dropping to where they could get him are slim. Very slim.
As for Sinorice Moss? I can't say I hate the dude or anything, but if he can make plays then he can make plays. His brother is short as is Steve Smith. But I don't want any part of him in round 1.
Quote from: jms246 on April 11, 2006, 08:26:49 PM
QuoteEagles | Team expected to visit with D. Ferguson
Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:08:33 -0700
Adam Caplan, of Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports University of Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson is expected to visit with the Philadelphia Eagles Wednesday, April 12.
You shteintin' me?
As has already been discussed... it is possible that Ferguson is atop the overall draft board of the Eagles (and even more possible he's the top OL on their board), and if they really are planning on drafting Winston Justice, they want to see how he stacks up to Ferguson in their private workouts.
Also... The Eagles will be bringing in about a dozen draft prospects this week for visits. The list will include Notre Dame wide receiver Maurice Stovall, who is a projected second or third rounder, and Penn State defensive tackle Scott Paxson, a likely second-day pick.
(from scout.com (http://eagles.scout.com/2/518971.html))
Paxson has a better chance to be a quality NFL player than does Hali, IMO.
As a second round pick? Nah. If he falls to the 3rd I'd take him in a second. He can play in the return game as well as a speedy receiver in certain plays on offense.
you illin dukes
hes not going to but for the sake of argument lets say he gets to the eagles in the second...if they dont take him there andy need to gets fired on the spot
mel kiper made a good observation last night...said that he would be the perfect pick for the steelers as he would be a nice replacement for randel el...as i said on the board last week hes reandel el on crack...there might be better wr's in the draft but there are not to many better playmakers...its kinda like who would you rather have (in their prime of course)...keyshawn the better wr or steve smith the better playmaker
we all know what the eagles need mroe than anything right now on both sides of the ball is playmakers...guys that have to be accounted for when they step on the field...moss is one of those guys
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 08:14:20 AM
As a second round pick? Nah. If he falls to the 3rd I'd take him in a second. He can play in the return game as well as a speedy receiver in certain plays on offense.
you illin dukes
hes not going to but for the sake of argument lets say he gets to the eagles in the second...if they dont take him there andy need to gets fired on the spot
mel kiper made a good observation last night...said that he would be the perfect pick for the steelers as he would be a nice replacement for randel el...as i said on the board last week hes reandel el on crack...there might be better wr's in the draft but there are not to many better playmakers...its kinda like who would you rather have (in their prime of course)...keyshawn the better wr or steve smith the better playmaker
we all know what the eagles need mroe than anything right now on both sides of the ball is playmakers...guys that have to be accounted for when they step on the field...moss is one of those guys
Didn't you already say that if the Eagles pass on Rocky McIntosh at #45, Reid should be fired? What if they're both there? What in the hell is Reid supposed to do? Ha.
As for the Steelers, you really think they want another Randle-El? Not really. They want another RECEIVER to go with Ward, not a gadget guy. Yes, they won the Super Bowl, but do you think they were happy with the production from Randle-El as a starter? How could they be?
They were glad to let him walk, and they're unlikely to really want to replace him with a similar player.
I dont know if I would go as far to say that they were happy to let him walk. He brings "some" production to his resume. His contract was up, he made the plays in the Superbowl to wow the other coaches and FO's in the league, so his price skyrocketed---perfect timing. If he didnt make those plays he made, the Steelers would of retained him at a much lower cost, and there wouldnt of been nearly the battle there was to sign this guy.
Didn't you already say that if the Eagles pass on Rocky McIntosh at #45, Reid should be fired? What if they're both there? What in the hell is Reid supposed to do? Ha.
im pretty sure i never said he should be fired...also if i remeber correctly i was saying i want moss in the first and rocky in the second...anyway its not even an issue...they both wont be there when the eagles make their second pick
As for the Steelers, you really think they want another Randle-El? Not really. They want another RECEIVER to go with Ward, not a gadget guy. Yes, they won the Super Bowl, but do you think they were happy with the production from Randle-El as a starter? How could they be?
im not sure they 'let him go'...when the skins jump youre gonna lose your player period...but really they gave up on the notion they could keep him the minute the superbowl was over...the steelers just dont get into bidding wars for anyone
also moss and randel el arent gadget guys...they are/will be nfl wr's...az hakim is a gadget guy
its not like the steelers are in need of a ton of players or they are in the top ten...they just wont the superbowl and pick 32...they would be thrilled to be able to get a talent like moss at 31...and if he doesnt pan out who cares
az hakim is a gadget guy
a guy thats scored plenty more TD's than El will probably make in his career...pretty good gadget guy in St. Louis huh?
wait... "gadget guy" is an acceptable football term but "trap game" isnt? ha. join us nerds IGY.
as much as randel el was held back by pittsburghs offense az hakim benefitted from st louis offense...az hakim is not an nfl wr...for one thing he is incapable of playing full time and staying healthy...hes a return guy...
lets see what they both do this year
I'd have to question the validity of the term "bidding war" as it relates to the NFL also.
also...Superbowl, whats up with that
Quote from: jms246 on April 12, 2006, 08:56:11 AM
also...Superbowl, whats up with that
Yeah, but I was being serious. It doesn't really work like eBay in the NFL.
"gadget guy" is an acceptable football term but "trap game" isnt? ha. join us nerds IGY.
again there is no such thing as a trap game thats why it shouldnt be used...not cause its necessarily nerdified
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 12, 2006, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: jms246 on April 12, 2006, 08:56:11 AM
also...Superbowl, whats up with that
Yeah, but I was being serious. It doesn't really work like eBay in the NFL.
sure it does, agents take numbers to other teams to try and push them up
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 08:57:07 AM
"gadget guy" is an acceptable football term but "trap game" isnt? ha. join us nerds IGY.
again there is no such thing as a trap game thats why it shouldnt be used...not cause its necessarily nerdified
what do you call games against teams that aren't as good as the eagles, yet they play down to them because they are looking ahead to a game in the following weeks?
yep...2 pages on trap game now...begin
what do you call games against teams that aren't as good as the eagles, yet they play down to them because they are looking ahead to a game in the following weeks?
i dont believe teams play down because they are looking ahead...they get beat because the other team played better that day...btw its called an upset
as i said before it cant be a trap game if all week leading up to the game the fans and media are telling the eagles that its a trap game...a trap is something that sneaks up on you...so even if what you say is true and the players take another team lightly then they may be unproffessional and ignorant...but they didnt get trapped
so you're aruging the actual usage of the word trap.
yes
Quote from: jms246 on April 12, 2006, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 08:57:07 AM
"gadget guy" is an acceptable football term but "trap game" isnt? ha. join us nerds IGY.
again there is no such thing as a trap game thats why it shouldnt be used...not cause its necessarily nerdified
what do you call games against teams that aren't as good as the eagles, yet they play down to them because they are looking ahead to a game in the following weeks?
college games
QuoteEagles | Team will continue pre-draft visit with Justice today
Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:59:33 -0700
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports USC OT Winston Justice said he will continue his pre-draft visit with the Philadelphia Eagles Wednesday, April 12. He will be back today for another meeting with offensive line coach Juan Castillo. "I left with a great impression," Justice said. "I spent a lot of time with Juan, and the facility was nice." Justice said he was one of seven draft-eligible players to visit.
I wonder if Justice and Ferguson will be hanging out together. The Eagles should arrange a set of American Gladiatoresque competitions so they can once-and-for-all determine who really is the best OL in the draft.
I would be stoked if they got Winston Justice, but I just don't see that happening.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 12, 2006, 09:45:02 AM
I would be stoked if they got Winston Justice, but I just don't see that happening.
If Justice doesn't fall to them, that could mean that either Huff, Ngata, or Bunkley do.
bunkley maybe i cant see any scenario where ngata and especially huff drop
speaking of what have we decided they do if all three dont make it to 14?
trade down and draft Moss
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 09:58:20 AM
bunkley maybe i cant see any scenario where ngata and especially huff drop
speaking of what have we decided they do if all three dont make it to 14?
I'd suggest trading back but Andy never has so I don't think that's a possibility...unless a deal comes that he can't pass. More than likely if 'his guy' is going to be taken he'll do what he has to to move up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 09:58:20 AM
speaking of what have we decided they do if all three dont make it to 14?
All three? I thought we were talking about 4 players: Huff, Ngata, Bunkley, and Justice.
I think the Eagles would pounce on any one of them that fell to #14... probably in this order:
1. Huff
2. Justice
3. Ngata
4. Bunkley
If none of the 4 of them fall... I personally would like to see them trade down, but I could also see them drafting a guy like Wimbley or Lawson... or even Jimmy Williams. Chad Jackson to a lesser degree.
All three? I thought we were talking about 4 players: Huff, Ngata, Bunkley, and Justice.
i actually meant two...lol
bunkley and justice...im not counting huff or ngata as they wont be there
they have to trade down...i dont see much of a seperation at that point all the way into the second round..at least in terms of overall talent...of course at some individual positions there will be a drop off...wr being one
can you imagine 90% of the fanbase if the Eagles trade down into the 2nd round after being 6-10, i cringe.
If none of the 4 of them fall... I personally would like to see them trade down, but I could also see them drafting a guy like Wimbley or Lawson... or even Jimmy Williams. Chad Jackson to a lesser degree.
xtacy1238 did you here that? ;)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 10:06:20 AM
bunkley and justice...im not counting huff or ngata as they wont be there
This is exactly the type of hyberbolic crap that you should use a little less often. Are the odds against either of those players being there at #14? Yes. Is it impossible? Absolutely not.
There are 13 picks ahead of the Eagles. Here are the only guys who DEFINITELY won't be there at #14:
Bush, Leinart, Ferguson, M. Williams, Hawk, Davis
Here are the guys who are extremely likely not to be there:
Young, Cutler, Huff, Ngata
Here are guys who are about even money to be there or not:
Bunkley, Justice, J. Williams,
And here are the guys who are almost certain to be there but be near the top of many teams' boards:
Sims, Wimbley, Jackson, Hill, Lawson, Holmes, Greenway
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 12, 2006, 10:29:43 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 10:06:20 AM
bunkley and justice...im not counting huff or ngata as they wont be there
This is exactly the type of hyberbolic crap that you should use a little less often. Are the odds against either of those players being there at #14? Yes. Is it impossible? Absolutely not.
There are 13 picks ahead of the Eagles. Here are the only guys who DEFINITELY won't be there at #14:
Bush, Leinart, Ferguson, M. Williams, Hawk, Davis
Here are the guys who are extremely likely not to be there:
Young, Cutler, Huff, Ngata
Here are guys who are about even money to be there or not:
Bunkley, Justice, J. Williams,
And here are the guys who are almost certain to be there but be near the top of many teams' boards:
Sims, Wimbley, Jackson, Hill, Lawson, Holmes, Greenway, Michael Robinson
yeah Im pretty curious to that pick as well...interesting
This is exactly the type of hyberbolic crap that you should use a little less often.
nah he did ent!!!....pump your breaks homie...i said "im not counting on" those two to be there...hardly hyperbolic crap
trust me when i drop hyperbolic crap in the future...and be assured i most certainly will....youll know it
The whole point is that you fail to draw distinction between an impossible event (Reggie Bush being available at #14) and an unlikely event (Haloti Ngata being available at #14), because it gives your post more of a shock factor. If your opinions and/or information had enough guts to them in the first place, you wouldn't have to spice them up. They would just stand as is without the need to exaggerate.
The whole point is that you fail to draw distinction between an impossible event (Reggie Bush being available at #14) and an unlikely event (Haloti Ngata being available at #14),
the fact that i havent ever entertained a discussion about or even brought up reggie bushs name in relation to the eagles pick (nor would i ever) shows that i do know that distinction
and i dont spice up my thoughts i say what i believe and i say it assuredly...and when/if im wrong ill be the first to admit it....not sure how guts applies to message board opinions but not having guts would be wish washing on and understating ones opinion
meet him behind the school parking lot 3pm. Get it over with
he doesnt like gutless posters
I was talking about your information's guts, not yours. Reading is fundamental.
But you do exaggerate all of your opinions for shock value.
"Andy Reid should be fired on the spot if Sinorice Moss is available at #45 and they pass on him"
"Penn State will not get 5/7 of those recruits, let alone all 7. You are either Grosz's son or worse"
"huff or ngata won't be there"
I mean... does it even cross your mind to temper a response with a slight dose of reality?
someone's done their homework.
someone's done their homework.
scary isnt it?
the planets aligned allowing penn state to get TWO more recruits than i thought they would and now ill never hear the end of it...btw they didnt get 7/7 as you insanely predicted
huff or nagata WILL NOT be there at 14....period exclamation point
and reid should already not be coach and gm...passing on moss in the second round would shoot to #1 on the list of reasons why
is that better?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
the planets aligned allowing penn state to get TWO more recruits than i thought they would and now ill never hear the end of it...btw they didnt get 7/7 as you insanely predicted
Yes, they did. They got all the 7 I said they'd get. They even stole Pat Devlin from the U for good measure.
And yes, that's better.
P.S. Didn't have to do any homework for that one. Memory is a steel trap for useless information.
well if you picked and chose the ones you wanted then you got them all...i had people on my list like hazelton that you didnt
i need to use my power of love to bring you two together
Quote from: jms246 on April 12, 2006, 12:35:34 PM
i need to use my power of love to bring you two together
Huey Lewis?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 12:30:09 PM
well if you picked and chose the ones you wanted then you got them all...i had people on my list like hazelton that you didnt
Here it is.
Your initial response to an article predicting the remaining top players the Nittany Lions would get (http://pennstate.scout.com/3/RecruitGuesses2005.html):
Quotemy predicts as far as the big guys go
eliades - va tech
evans - playing time will send him to virg...altho ups has an equal chance to get him
hazelton - he would be insane to go to ups with the wr core they have...the bell verbal solidified hazelton elsewhere
ale - the gawd...ive said all a long hes the key to this class...even tho hes been downgraded to four stars recently...i still think he stays with his intial choice and stays at home to md
mccoy - prep
quarless - ups
taylor - md
walton - his love of lj (no homo) and playing time will bring him to the ups
wallace - 50/50...lj is in deep with this cat but he really loves ohio st...however i dont see him going there with wells...ive seen him play numerous times in hs and imo he isnt all that at the rb position...but its well known he could move to cb...i just dont see him being a standout college player in general...heads are all over dook...but to me he isnt a must get...if i had to choose...in the end...its osu
My response:
QuoteI think Penn State gets at least Evans, Logan-El, Eliades, Taylor, Quarless, Wallace, and Walton.
Even 5 of those 7 guys would be a nice haul, but I think PSU gets all 7.
Your retort:
Quoteyoure either homertastic.....phil grosz's son...insane...or possibly all three
all seven = negative % chance of happening
5/7 = far fetched
4/7 = possible
Now that one took some research, starting here (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=11889.1020).
But anyway. We should probably get back to figuring out what the Eagles could possibly gain by bringing in D'Brickashaw for a visit.
QuoteBut anyway. We should probably get back to figuring out what the Eagles could possibly gain by bringing in D'Brickashaw for a visit.
To teach Tra how to avoid false starts.
they got seven of my nine...as i said i missed two...they got seven of your supposed seven but you didnt include everyone...like is said if you picked and chose who you wanted to include in your predicitons it made it a lot easier
i was absolutely wrong in who i thought theyd get...but i was correct in saying you were nuts that theyd get everyone
basically it ended up being the far fetched scenario
Right. I picked the 7/9 I thought were locks, you mocked me for it, and now we see who was right.
So, how can the Eagles get D'Brick? Do they have incriminating photos of Mickey Loomis?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 12, 2006, 12:54:42 PM
Right. I picked the 7/9 I thought were locks, you mocked me for it, and now we see who was right.
So, how can the Eagles get D'Brick? Do they have incriminating photos of Mickey Loomis?
I wonder what history the Eagles have of bringing say "Top 5" talent when they had no intention of actually going up that high. It just seems like a little much to create a smokescreen. Maybe they do it for future drafts to see how Brick performs this year compared with a prospect say next year.
Well, I still think it's to directly compare him to Winston Justice... but it's fun to think of possible ways they could move up enough to get him. Maybe they could trade the disgruntled McNabb to the TitOilers.
probably bring in Brick because any scenario is possible in the draft. Crazy shtein happens all the time. And if they are in a situation where they can trade up without giving up the whole draft they need to know if they should pull the trigger or not. Be prepared young Webelos.
WE
BE
LOyal
Scouts
No, seriously. That's what it stands for.
I wouldn't mind Mario Williams falling to trade-up point, or even A.J. Hawk. Since we're dreamin' and all.
Of all the guys I would pick in fantasy land it would be Hawk just barely of Brick.
Quote from: MURP on April 12, 2006, 01:02:47 PM
probably bring in Brick because any scenario is possible in the draft. Crazy Stein happens all the time. And if they are in a situation where they can trade up without giving up the whole draft they need to know if they should pull the trigger or not. Be prepared young Warbles.
I haven't kept up with all the draft blocs the past few days but who else is "really" interested in Fergueson? Are the Jets more determined to get a QB? Titans? Would the niners snag him if he's there at #6? Could we still get Marcus McNeil in the second? 6'7 330 lbs! Only concern is he has had some back problems in his career.
God damn, if one player "slips" enough for the Birds to move up and make a move on....I hope it is this guy.
From PE.com:
Quote
Davis: The Next Great Tight End?
April 12, 2006
By CHRIS STEUBER
When he lines up on the line of scrimmage, defensive backs and linebackers fear his ability.
The presence of his physicality is immediately known when he gets down into a four-point stance. When the cadence commands, he explodes off the line of scrimmage. The defender awaits a punishing block, but it's not coming. Instead, he flares out to the left.
The quarterback identifies his target and fires a strike between the 1 and the 8 on his jersey. He catches the ball. A defensive back moves up to make a tackle, but the man sporting the dangling dreadlocks throws him away with his right arm, escaping his grasp. When he turns around, another defender is in his face, but he spins and escapes his clutches and manages to stay inbounds.
Escaping the congestion near the sideline, he's already moving at full speed and dodges another defender on his way for a 20-yard touchdown. The only player on the field to finally get the man they call "The Duke" off of his feet is his own teammate, who tackles him in the endzone to celebrate the touchdown.
TE Vernon Davis
Let me introduce you to the physical enigma, Vernon Davis.
At a chiseled 6-3, 253 pounds, Davis is an excellent pass blocker and receiver that fits well into any offense. In his three-year stay with the Maryland Terrapins, Davis recorded 83 receptions for 1,371 yards and nine touchdowns for his career.
During a mid-season conversation, Davis told his coach Ralph Friedgen that if he was given a first-round grade in this year's draft that he was going to declare early. Davis got the first round grade and decided to pursue his dream of playing in the NFL.
With his dream becoming a reality, Davis had his own prediction of where he envisioned himself going in the draft.
"Somewhere in the top 10; that's what I'm expecting," he said. "I'm not nervous at all, just excited. I'm not really the kind of person who gets too nervous. I'm ready to get going with it."
The NFL Scouting Combine was Davis' audition to the world. Davis didn't receive a lot of exposure while in college, but his play was well documented. When he lined up to run his 40-yard dash, NFL front office officials made sure they had a stopwatch within reach.
BANG!
Davis was off, exploding off the line with ease. Just as fast as the gun fired in the air, Davis completed his first task to NFL riches, running an amazing 4.38. With that time, Davis, who originally was projected as a top-15 selection, is now considered to be in the top seven.
"I was real happy about it," Davis said of his time. "I should be moving up. I don't think anyone really believed I'd do that, but I did it. That has to move me up."
Davis already solidified his spot in the top 10 with his performance at the Combine, but he wanted to show scouts he's a major threat in the passing game.
On March 15, Davis performed at Maryland's pro day. Davis didn't perform all the activities at the pro day, but did participate in receiving drills. Not only did he demonstrate his ability to stretch the field, but he also displayed excellent hands, not dropping a single ball.
"It feels great coming off the field knowing you did a great job," Davis said. "I just came out here and did what they asked me to do. I can't have these guys (scouts) come all the way out here and not do anything."
Currently, Davis is projected as the top tight end in the draft, and many mock drafts have the San Francisco 49ers making Davis their choice with the sixth pick overall. The selection of Davis gives the Niners a potent offensive weapon they haven't had since the departure of Terrell Owens.
"I do not know where I will end up when all is said and done," says Davis. "I could see myself out in California though. The Oakland Raiders or the San Francisco 49ers would be good systems for me. Whatever happens, happens. But I know I am going to go into it with my head as high as my hopes. I'm just ready to get going. I feel like I've done all that I can."
The physical enigma will appear somewhere this season, and with the draft right around the corner, fans will be excited to see Davis - wherever it may be.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 12, 2006, 11:17:43 AM
This is exactly the type of hyberbolic crap that you should use a little less often. Are the odds against either of those players being there at #14? Yes. Is it impossible? Absolutely not.
There are 13 picks ahead of the Eagles. Here are the only guys who DEFINITELY won't be there at #14:
Bush, Leinart, Ferguson, M. Williams, Hawk, Davis
Here are the guys who are extremely likely not to be there:
Young, Cutler, Huff, Ngata
Here are guys who are about even money to be there or not:
Bunkley, Justice, J. Williams,
And here are the guys who are almost certain to be there but be near the top of many teams' boards:
Sims, Wimbley, Jackson, Hill, Lawson, Holmes, Greenway
I think Huff definitely won't be there.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 12, 2006, 03:10:15 PM
God damn, if one player "slips" enough for the Birds to move up and make a move on....I hope it is this guy.
The guy is a beast. If he goes to the niners can Alex Smith get him the ball? We'll find out September 24.
Matt Schobel took away my pipe dream of the Eagles making a move for VD.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 12, 2006, 03:56:43 PM
Matt Schobel took away my pipe dream of the Eagles making a move for VD.
Is Shobel made of Penicillin?
No, but I heard that inside his helmet is not a head, but another penis! It's from a reliable source.
Kiper's latest mock has their 1st three picks being
Justice
Ryans
Wroten
i wouldn't complain about that
Wow, Wroten falling to the 3rd? That would be nice.
I would be very pleased with that. Like many people have said before, anytime the Birds go OL in the first round I am satisfied.
For those of you who were not able to read this yesterday.
QuoteEagles open file on Justice dept.By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com
Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson has gotten most of the publicity this spring and almost certainly will be the first offensive lineman chosen when the NFL holds its annual draft April 29-30. But Southern California's Winston Justice, who yesterday began a visit with the Eagles that was to continue today, isn't conceding anything to that other offensive tackle, though some experts feel Ferguson might be the top overall talent available in the draft, at any position.
"All my tests are better. I think I'm a better player,'' said Justice, whose dominant performance at USC's pro day April 2 could push him beyond the Eagles' grasp when they choose 14th overall. "Personally, I believe I'm a top-10 talent. I can't really predict how the draft will go.''
Justice, 6-6, 320, said he certainly wouldn't mind ending up with the Birds. He's a good friend of Mike Patterson, the defensive tackle Andy Reid and Tom Heckert took in the first round last year, 31st overall. In fact, Justice recently switched agents, from Leigh Steinberg to Gary Uberstine, who represents Patterson.
"That was just sort of coincidence,'' Justice said. "I wasn't happy with the service, and I felt this would be the best [group] for me and my family.''
Justice said he has talked to Patterson about the Eagles.
"Patterson loves it here,'' he said.
Justice said last night's dinner at the NovaCare practice facility was mostly a getting-to-know-you session, attended by Reid, offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and offensive line coach Juan Castillo.
"I could tell they were really excited about the draft, but I really didn't get a sense [of whether they were intent on drafting him],'' he said. Justice might know more by the time he leaves today, on the next leg of a tour that also includes Tampa, San Diego, Dallas, Arizona, Buffalo and Baltimore.
Everywhere he goes, Justice knows he'll have to explain how he ended up missing the 2004 season, when USC won its second successive national championship, after he was placed on probation for pulling what was described as a replica gun on a driver he said he mistook for a friend of his. Justice said he assures teams that he doesn't intend to ever get arrested again.
"I think I've grown a lot from that,'' Justice said. "I'm not going to put my NFL career at risk.''
In January, after the Trojans lost to Texas in their bid for yet another national title, Justice decided he was ready for the draft, though he had a year of eligibility remaining. He was disappointed with his performance at the NFL combine, which he said he attended a week after pulling a hamstring working out. At that time, nearly 2 months ago, Justice was mainly viewed as a mid-to-late first-round pick. Then he recorded a 39-inch vertical leap at the pro day, managed 38 bench-press reps, and ran the 40 in 5.08 seconds despite pulling up near the finish with a calf cramp.
"I wanted to do better [than at the combine],'' Justice said. "A few days before [the pro day], I managed a 41-inch vertical leap.''
Justice was a right tackle at USC who is frequently being projected on the left side, where the big money tends to be in the NFL, for protecting the quarterback's blindside. The Eagles recently signed a new 3-year, $12.5 million contract with right tackle Jon Runyan, who is 32, but less than half that money is guaranteed. Left tackle Tra Thomas, 31, is under contract through 2008, but Thomas is coming off a season dominated by injury and illness. The Eagles undoubtedly will be looking to replace both players within the next few years, though Runyan's replacement might be on hand, in the form of 2004 first-round pick Shawn Andrews.
The Eagles might have a more pressing need at defensive tackle, but just as they can't be assured Justice won't get taken earlier, it also is unclear either of the top two d-tackle prospects, Haloti Ngata, of Oregon, and Brodrick Bunkley, of Florida State, will be available at 14.
"I wanted to do better [than at the combine],'' Justice said. "A few days before [the pro day], I managed a 41-inch vertical leap.''
Please tell me how this guy has a vertical that high for his weight and height? Thats friggin amazing. Goal line passes?
General question here...
If the Eagles stay at #14, is there a player you would absolutely hate if they picked him?
As long as they don't reach for a player I don't really care, I think there are going to be some very good football players at their spot. Who knows someone could fall to them if all three QBs go in the top 10 it could push some players their way. There is always a suprise player that is taken higher than most think he should so that could help them as well. I could see a team like St. Louis or Detroit do something like that.
Yeah, the reaching thing is what concerns me too.
I just don't want them to pick a guy @ 14 who's projected to go between 25-30 when they could simply trade down and get him if that's who they really want.
Also - I don't know if this has been mentioned here but on the PE.Com poll, the respondents picked Chad Jackson as the Eagles pick at 14. He would qualify as someone I'd be pissed off about if the Eagles picked him.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 12, 2006, 06:59:54 PM
General question here...
If the Eagles stay at #14, is there a player you would absolutely hate if they picked him?
Chad Greenway
Santonio Holmes
Chad Jackson
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 12, 2006, 07:12:30 PM
Yeah, the reaching thing is what concerns me too.
I just don't want them to pick a guy @ 14 who's projected to go between 25-30 when they could simply trade down and get him if that's who they really want.
Also - I don't know if this has been mentioned here but on the PE.Com poll, the respondents picked Chad Jackson as the Eagles pick at 14. He would qualify as someone I'd be pissed off about if the Eagles picked him.
Chad Jackson is someone who would excite me if they drafted him, he reminds a little of Reggie Brown but with even more upside.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 12, 2006, 06:59:54 PM
General question here...
If the Eagles stay at #14, is there a player you would absolutely hate if they picked him?
Justice, Greenway, Sims.
I was just looking at the War Rooms top 25 players in the draft and of those top 25 only Nick Mangold would piss me off at #14. He was their 25th ranked player by the way, it wouldn't piss me off if they traded down and drafted him.
It would piss me off less if they traded down and drafted Chad Jackson. If they got him between 20-25 plus got a third rounder, I'd be fine with that.
If ANYONE takes Nick Mangold higher than 30-32 then they should be extremely pissed. And if the Birds drafted him at #14 it would be utterly ridiculous.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 12, 2006, 07:32:04 PM
It would piss me off less if they traded down and drafted Chad Jackson. If they got him between 20-25 plus got a third rounder, I'd be fine with that.
That seems extremely unlikely since the conventional "belief" is that the Broncos are salivating over Jackson at #15. Jackson would not be a reach at 14 but I can understand why people wouldn't want the Eagles to pick him there. I personally would only rather have Justice of all the players that might be available at #14.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2006, 07:42:43 PM
If ANYONE takes Nick Mangold higher than 30-32 then they should be extremely pissed. And if the Birds drafted him at #14 it would be utterly ridiculous.
Well, now we know who the Eagles will take with their 14th pick.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2006, 07:42:43 PM
If ANYONE takes Nick Mangold higher than 30-32 then they should be extremely pissed. And if the Birds drafted him at #14 it would be utterly ridiculous.
I think that if Cincy took him with their pick it wouldn't be such a bad thing.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 12, 2006, 06:59:54 PM
General question here...
If the Eagles stay at #14, is there a player you would absolutely hate if they picked him?
Santonio Holmes, LenDale White, Chad Greenway, and anyone they could have traded down 10 spots and still easily got. Otherwise, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I guess.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 12, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
As long as they don't reach for a player I don't really care, I think there are going to be some very good football players at their spot. Who knows someone could fall to them if all three QBs go in the top 10 it could push some players their way. There is always a suprise player that is taken higher than most think he should so that could help them as well. I could see a team like St. Louis or Detroit do something like that.
Please no reaching this year. Some of the CB's would tick me off as would a TE other than VD.
Speaking of TE's the kid out of Western Michigan, Tony Scheffler looks pretty good. 6-5 251. Apparently he has awesome hands and good speed. Actually returned kicks one year.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 12, 2006, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2006, 07:42:43 PM
If ANYONE takes Nick Mangold higher than 30-32 then they should be extremely pissed. And if the Birds drafted him at #14 it would be utterly ridiculous.
I think that if Cincy took him with their pick it wouldn't be such a bad thing.
Well, they have a C that they drafted last year in the 4th round that they like a lot. Eric Ghiaciuc out of Central Michigan is that guy. They re-signed Rich Braham to a one year deal last year to play while Ghiaciuc learned the NFL game.
Mangold is a nice player. But he is best suited to be on an OL like the Falcons or the Broncos where they run that zone blocking scheme and like the smaller OL's. And I think that if he is drafted anywhere higher than the 30's it would be a mistake. Just my $.02 though.
According to Gary Papa last night, the Eagles are interested in "nuh-GOT-uh". He pronounced it that way 3 times...
Everyone pronounces it that way.
It's not correct, but even Reuben Frank who knows his Eagles pronounces it that way.
Quote from: jms246 on April 12, 2006, 05:11:28 PM
Kiper's latest mock has their 1st three picks being
Justice
Ryans
Wroten
i wouldn't complain about that
He also has Jeremy Trueblood and Rodrique Wright lasting till the 4th round
In any universe where Rodrique Wright lasts to the 4th, Bunkley is worth NO MORE than #14.
is there a website that shows the top ten players at each position in the draft along with what round they are projected to go in...im looking for it on the same list tho...not in two different areas of the same website
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 08:07:01 AM
is there a website that shows the top ten players at each position in the draft along with what round they are projected to go in...im looking for it on the same list tho...not in two different areas of the same website
Phreak posted this a while back USA Today list (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/nfldraft06/flash.htm). Probably the closest thing you'll find.
thanks g
im having all kinds of trouble printing it out tho...it keeps freezing up my computer and shtein
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 08:26:33 AM
thanks g
im having all kinds of trouble printing it out tho...it keeps freezing up my computer and shtein
I wouldn't worry about it. They have some pretty funky stuff in their rankings anyway.
They have some pretty funky stuff in their rankings anyway
so do i...so it probably is right down my alley
anyway i just want it for the mid to late round guys...i like seeing when guys that are rated undrafted or seventh round start going in the third or fourth
Mo Clarett what?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 13, 2006, 08:52:31 AM
Mo Clarett what?
Mo Clarett = Landale White
hhaha....I love it. He is so salty with the comparison that has been made...put the hamburger down
Did someone say Matt McCoy??
ig, this might help too:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/qb.html
thanks easy...i love that site but they dont have projections and rankings on the same page
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 13, 2006, 09:09:19 AM
Did someone say Matt McCoy??
I still think it's too early to make fun of him.
so i was jumping the gun by ripping the pick the day after they made it
so whatever happened to DJ Shockley?
a few months ago he was being mentioned with the Big 3 QBs, now a lot of people are projecting him to not be drafted at all.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 13, 2006, 11:38:36 AM
so whatever happened to DJ Shockley?
a few months ago he was being mentioned with the Big 3 QBs
I dont remember him being mentioned in the same breath as Young or Leinhart, but my steel trap could be rusty.
brief Chad Jackson Interview. (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/interviews/chadjackson/chadjackson.html)
QuoteScott Wright: Are there are specific teams that have shown the most interest in you?
Chad Jackson: Kansas City, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Miami, Denver, and the Patriots.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 11:32:48 AM
so i was jumping the gun by ripping the pick the day after they made it
You ripped him solely on the color of his skin, Mr. "End Racism".
not true...but of course that has to factor into it...white outside linebackers are nfl ebola...also that hes from california...and also because of the little i saw of him and what i read about him
he was the classic pick where reid thought he was a good guy and a hard worker so he took him
Interesting stuff on PFT.com a bit of a comparo of Bloom vs. Moss:
Quote
BLOOM BUZZ BUILDING
Although he hasn't played football for two seasons, former Colorado receiver/kick-punt returner Jeremy Bloom seems to be building a buzz as the draft approaches.
Making the rounds this week is a DVD of various Bloom highlights. The disc is being circulated by his agent, Gary Wichard, who is known to be a relentless promoter of his clients. (In the interests of full disclosure, Wichard also represents taterskins safety Adam Archuleta, who purchased ad space from us this month for his training video.)
The Bloom DVD, which we reviewed on Wednesday, begins with footage of the moguls skier smoking Will Allen, Ahman Green, and various others in the 100-yard dash during a past CBS Superstars competition. Then, there's footage of Bloom's recent pro day workout, including his 19 reps in the 225-pound bench, multiple examples of very crisp route running, and some impressive ball skills while receiving punts.
The DVD culminates with clips from Bloom's two-year career with the Buffaloes, which featured a touchdown in his first punt return. The thing that caught our attention was that, when he broke toward the sideline he instinctively switched the ball from his left hand to his right hand. There are guys who have been playing for years in the NFL who still fail to move the ball to the outside arm, which increases the likelihood that a fumble will land out of bounds before it can be recovered by the opposing team.
Still, the knock on Bloom is that he has played only two years of college ball, and that he allowed his skiing career -- and the endorsement opportunities flowing therefrom -- to wipe out his remaining NCAA eligibility. This naturally causes some of the old-school scouts to question whether Bloom is fully committed to football.
Some folks (including us) have bashed his stats. But, as it turns out, his numbers compare very favorably to the first two years of Sinorice Moss's career. In 2002, Moss had three catches for 30 yards and no touchdowns. In 2002, Bloom had two catches for 102 yards and one touchdown.
In 2003, Moss had eight receptions for 111 yards and no touchdowns. In 2003, Bloom had 22 catches for 356 yards and one score.
In his two final seasons at Miami, Moss didn't generate dominant statistics, with 20 receptions in 2004 and 37 catches in 2005. Moss averaged less than 500 yards receiving in those two years.
And while Moss has the pedigree (his big brother is Santana of the taterskins), Sinorice doesn't have much experience at all in the return game. How, then, is a guy didn't do it in college presumed by everyone to be a natural at it in the NFL?
We're not raising these points as a knock on Moss. But it seems that the gap between Moss and Bloom might not be as great as previously envisioned.
We're also not suggesting that Bloom will or should be drafted at or about the same time Moss comes off of the board. But it's looking to us like Bloom will most likely be targeted by someone in the back half of round three. Then the question becomes whether a chess match unfolds between two or more teams that might nudge higher up into the round in order to get him.
Hell, at this point we don't rule out Bloom being taken at the bottom of round two. And we can think of at least one franchise holding a pick in that ballpark that needs a return man who can be groomed into a pass-catcher.
Bloom's white, so Moss is better.
And somewhere IGY began sobbing quietly to himself.
whitey can succeed at wr in the nfl...that said he couldnt hold sinorces jock
you guys should watch these players actually play some games to form your opinion on them as opposed to looking around the net for articles to embolden
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 12:14:46 PM
whitey can succeed at wr in the nfl...that said he couldnt hold sinorces jock
you guys should watch these players actually play some games to form your opinion on them as opposed to looking around the net for articles to embolden
This from the guy who's an expert on every NFL player but admits to barely ever watching any teams but the Eagles.
Interesting. Give me more insight, sir!
And somewhere IGY began sobbing quietly to himself.
word?
yeah because an internet football website is going to form my opinion on a player
This from the guy who's an expert on every NFL player but admits to barely ever watching any teams but the Eagles.
hardly an expert...i dont know anymore or less than anyone else on this site or most others...but the players i do watch i am able to scout with an accuracy that most dont have
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 12:18:56 PM
but the players i do watch i am able to scout with an accuracy that most dont have
Ah, a true savant a la Rainman. Definitely K-Mart.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 12:18:56 PM
hardly an expert...i dont know anymore or less than anyone else on this site or most others...but the players i do watch i am able to scout with an accuracy that most dont have
And that's why there are tons and tons of experts on TV and the internet making bunches of cash because they are so good at what they do. But alas, IGY is above that. He would rather share his never ending scouting knowledge with a bunch of people killing time on some Eagles message board.
Thank you for your humility, and your gift to us Eagles fans. And if it not to bold of me to ask the
master of all things Miami and other big name school scouting, could you provide a modicum of evidence as to why "he (Bloom) couldnt hold sinorces jock"? Thank you kindly, Mel Jr.
(http://www.tvacres.com/images/genie_jambie_box.jpg) = IGY.
" Hiney ho!"
And that's why there are tons and tons of experts on TV and the internet making bunches of cash because they are so good at what they do. But alas, IGY is above that. He would rather share his never ending scouting knowledge with a bunch of people killing time on some Eagles message board.
what experts?....mel kiper?...pro football talk?...chris mortenson?...some of them know more than me because they have the means to see more players than i do...but if weve both seen the player they cant evaulate any better than i can
its football dook not molecular biology...if youd come to a judgement on moss and bloom after seeing them play then so be it...your opinion would carry as much weight as mine...but you make yourself look silly when you post articles from cheesy websites and then embolden text that you wish you would have come up with to prove your point....it reeks of desperation
The opinion from the internet football site is at least as valid as yours, in general.
If not, you'd be living the dream and working for one of those sites.
The opinion from the internet football site is at least as valid as yours, in general.
as long as theyve seen both players play i totally agree
but trying to prove that moss isnt a player by posting some highlites of a random football sites opinion is weaker than seven days
should i now go to another site that raves about moss and post that with the really juicy parts highlited
i don't get "weaker than seven days", please explain.
and i knew that avatar wouldn't last long.
one thing for Moss... the dude has played with complete junk at QB.
All the article was posted for was to counterpoint some of your opinions on the guy. Statistically speaking, he is no better the top rated WRs in the draft, and to compare him to Bloom is fair in my opinion. Would Bloom be equivalent or better than Moss? I think it is a fair question.
Here is a Don Banks excerpt from SI.com on players that could have an immediate impact on a team:
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Sinorice Moss, receiver/return man, Miami -- This one comes with a caveat: The Hurricanes mighty-mite has to go to a team that knows how to use his versatile package of skills in order for him to make a splash as a rookie. Are you paying attention Pittsburgh at No. 32?
"The Steelers would know how to use that guy,'' said a veteran personnel man. "They're one of the teams that could get a lot out of Moss right away, using him in that Antwaan Randle El role. If he goes somewhere like that, where he'll catch the ball, help you in the return game, and they'll find creative ways to get him the ball, he could make an impact this year.''
But any hopes he has of becoming the difference-maker that his older brother, Santana, was in Washington last season starts with staying healthy. Which he was not always able to do at Miami.
"From a talent standpoint, yes, this guy has some tremendous talent and could make an impact for you,'' a personnel man said. "But is he ever going to make it to the field? He's hurt every spring, and he's hurt every season. He always has a problem of some sort. He couldn't even run this spring because he was injured. He's a difference-making talent, but he hasn't been able to stay on the field in the Fall or even in spring ball.''
Quote from: MURP on April 13, 2006, 12:59:15 PM
one thing for Moss... the dude has played with complete junk at QB.
What future Pro Bowlers has Bloom caught balls from?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 13, 2006, 01:05:55 PM
Quote from: MURP on April 13, 2006, 12:59:15 PM
one thing for Moss... the dude has played with complete junk at QB.
What future Pro Bowlers has Bloom caught balls from?
Im not comparing the two. Just talking about Moss in general.
"But is he ever going to make it to the field? He's hurt every spring, and he's hurt every season. He always has a problem of some sort. He couldn't even run this spring because he was injured. He's a difference-making talent, but he hasn't been able to stay on the field in the Fall or even in spring ball.''
he definitely comes with risks...ive stated that...especially the injury thing...but imo its worth the risk to get a playmaker like that...
i just think the eagles lack big time playmakers...its their biggest need imo...which is why i shy away this year from taking a lineman...i know how important the lines are but they need players on both sides of the ball that the other team will fear and would have to be accountable for...moss would be one of those players
its why my ideal scenario this year is for them to get moss and thomas howard
why id rather have ernie sims than winston justice
why i would trade up for huff but not ngata
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 01:08:22 PM
why id rather have ernie sims than winston justice
why i would trade up for huff but not ngata
I dunno, but if the Eagles lines arnt solid they are not going anywhere.
i disagree...with playmakers around the lines you can get away with solid or just good...you dont necessarily have to have great lines to win
look at the steelers defense...granted they run a 3-4 but their line isnt anything to write home about...but they surround it with guys that fly around the field and make plays
what you cant have is bad lines
My point is with Moss is that he hasn't demonstrated any reliable ability to be a "playmaker", he has talent, speed, and pedigree to an extent, but does he have enough of that to warrant a first round pick? No, in my opinion.
There are guys behind him who have demonstrated similar ability and measurables, and if you can use that early pick on a more needed position, like the either of the lines, or LB, you do it and get another of the Moss type guys who you can get at somewhat of a discount. In my eyes guys like Moss, Bloom, and even Randle El are one or none type of guys. You give them ball 15-20 times and get little to nothing, but on that sixteenth pass or end around, they break it. Is that worth a high round selection?
well the 3-4 is another thing altogether.. but I would disagree anyway. I think Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, and Kimo von Oelhoffen were a pretty darn good line for what they do.
and if you can use that early pick on a more needed position, like the either of the lines, or LB, you do it and get another of the Moss type guys who you can get at somewhat of a discount
there is no more need position than wr on the eagles...and there isnt anything they need more than a playmaker
There are guys behind him who have demonstrated similar ability and measurables
no there arent...but if you truly believe that jeremy bloom or skyler green are on par with moss then we will just have to agree to disagree
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 01:32:42 PM
no there arent...but if you truly believe that jeremy bloom or skyler green are on par with moss then we will just have to agree to disagree
IN.*
I'm not disagreeing that the Birds need a playmaker and a stud WR, and if there was a no-shtein, sure-fire one available to them I'd be all for it. I just don't think that Moss isn't going to turn into one. I think he'll wind up returning punts and/or kicks on occasion, and only be on the field as a WR in four wide sets or due to other injuries.
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I don't even know what that means.........exactly.
Chris McPherson is hosting Eagles Live right now. Talking lots of stuff about the draft.
One interesting note: Says last season they were all set to take Khalif Barnes (exactly who I thought they'd select) then Andy changed his mind the last minute and selected Patterson instead.
QuoteQuote from: MURP on April 08, 2006, 11:39:38 AM
well, one thing we know is that Spewdaro and the rest of his minions really dont know who the Eagles are going to take. That Chris McPherson or whatever his name is wrote about how he was just about to push the button to post an article on the Eagles website that they had drafted Khalif Barnes last year when they went ahead and took Mike Patterson.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 13, 2006, 01:41:06 PM
One interesting note: Says last season they were all set to take Khalif Barnes (exactly who I thought they'd select) then Andy changed his mind the last minute and selected Patterson instead.
I find it interesting that he is saying it was Reid "changing his mind" rather than the fact that Spads, McPherson and the rest of their crew just really didnt know what the plan was.
dont spads mcpherson et al host a draft party somewhere for the eagles...and just sit there and watch the draft with the rest of the eagle fans
Quote from: MURP on April 13, 2006, 01:44:13 PM
I find it interesting that he is saying it was Reid "changing his mind" rather than the fact that Spads, McPherson and the rest of their crew just really didnt know what the plan was.
Same here, especially when he said they were about to post the pick on the website then had to change it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 01:46:12 PM
dont spads mcpherson et al host a draft party somewhere for the eagles...and just sit there and watch the draft with the rest of the eagle fans
They have to know more than us since they have to post the info immediately on the site once its announced.
Some guy from Drafthype (Chris Steuber?) is on right now.
They have to know more than us since they have to post the info immediately on the site once its announced.
they dont know more they just get the info a few seconds before we do
do you have to be on the eagles website to listen to eagles live?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 01:53:28 PM
They have to know more than us since they have to post the info immediately on the site once its announced.
they dont know more they just get the info a few seconds before we do
They have to set bio's up and write stories which takes more than a few minutes. I'm sure they have a good feel a few days before the draft who the most likely selection is going to be.
QuoteThey have to know more than us since they have to post the info immediately on the site once its announced.
maybe, maybe not. Its no secret that most website that post news and information have a ton of articles ready to go for when certain events happen. I wouldnt be shocked if they write up 20 different articles about the Eagles drafting a certain player and then just post the one that is correct when the selection is made. There have been a number of times when sites accidentally put up an article about something that wasnt supposed to go up. There was a look into this a while back when one of the news sites (CNN or whatever) posted an article that someone famous had died when they had not. They revealed that they have all these articles ready to go so they can get the news up asap.
exactly...im sure theres also a service out there that provides writes up of these players....all the eagles have to do is copy and paste that info into a template they already have made
heck, even the Browns website accidentally posted that they had signed David Givens and some others to deals when they had not this offseason. They claimed the site was hacked, but that was a weak excuse for the incompetent people who run the site.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 01:55:19 PM
do you have to be on the eagles website to listen to eagles live?
Yes, I wouldn't bother. It is completely farging mind numbing.
Well, whatever...they know more than us.
Yes, I wouldn't bother. It is completely farging mind numbing.
i started to listen since some draft guy was on it and i heard them interviewing what sounded like a cheerleader...what up?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 13, 2006, 02:00:27 PM
Well, whatever...they know more than us.
except you just said you expected the Eagles to draft Khalif Barnes last year and so did McPherson up to the point where it was announced they selected Patterson.
Coming away from the draft with Ngata and not losing the 2nd rounder would be pretty darn cool.
Quote from: MURP on April 13, 2006, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 13, 2006, 02:00:27 PM
Well, whatever...they know more than us.
except you just said you expected the Eagles to draft Khalif Barnes last year and so did McPherson up to the point where it was announced they selected Patterson.
Sure did, lucky guess on my part. I can't imagine working PR for a company and not knowing more than the common person.
If you assume Spadaro/McPherson know absolutely no *inside* information, you're an idiot.
If you assume they know mostly everything, you're also an idiot.
<--------------idiot
the only inside info they get is the inside info that the eagles want disseminated to their fans....therefore they get no inside info
I know for a fact that you're wrong and that they occasionally get a few pieces of info that they're not to disseminate and also occasionally just pick up things by listening around the complex.
things like they knew TO was parking his car in handicap spots before we did...im talking about player personnel information...they know nothing
who really cares exactly what he knows and doesnt know...when it comes to anything of importance spads is a worthless clown...weve spent way to much time on him already
obviously anyone who works for the Eagles surely hears things from time to time just like anyone else who hears things at their job about their own company. Im sure Spads and their crew get some bits that we dont hear. Point is that they really dont get much info. Just read McPhersons blog.
- He said he read about the Schoebel signing in the Cinci paper.
- On Ed Jasper "This signing was out of left field for me. I simply knew there was going to be a press conference"
- The Khalif Barnes thing last year.
- On hearing things:
QuoteI laughed when I saw how I would be burned at the fire with Mark Eckel if I started spreading bad rumors about who the Eagles were going to sign. Working at the NovaCare Complex, you get to hear things - not all things that I should be hearing - that most reporters won't get to hear.
That's why reporters depend on sources, usually agents. Everyone has 'em. But changes in the organization from a year-to-year basis could remove reporters' key sources. Eckel's boy was Marc Ross, who worked under Tom Modrak's regime. Once Ross left, Eckel has had to look elsewhere for his stories.
But there are times our own PR department will be caught by surprise. They found out about Jevon Kearse from the ticker on ESPN in 2004.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 13, 2006, 02:24:57 PM
If you assume Spadaro/McPherson know absolutely no *inside* information, you're an idiot.
I'm under this impression but that doesn't mean I'm not an idiot.
Well, they do know some things, whether you agree or not.
I think the draft is the thing Andy keeps closest to the vest now, though. Spuds and McPherson can only speculate on that right now, because there's no way he's giving them any information that he doesn't want out there... which means everything they're getting is a smokescreen for the actual truth.
Eagles | Team has visit with Colledge
Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:10:27 -0700
Adam Caplan, of the Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the Philadelphia Eagles visited with Boise State OL Daryn Colledge earlier this week.
Eagles | Team has visit with Jean-Gilles
Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:03:01 -0700
Adam Caplan, of the Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the Philadelphia Eagles visited with Georgia OG Max Jean-Gilles earlier this week.
Eagles | Bennett to work out
Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:47:43 -0700
Lafayette College LB Maurice Bennett is scheduled to have a work out with the Philadelphia Eagles Thursday, April 13.
Quote from: MURP on April 13, 2006, 01:44:13 PM
QuoteQuote from: MURP on April 08, 2006, 11:39:38 AM
well, one thing we know is that Spewdaro and the rest of his minions really dont know who the Eagles are going to take. That Chris McPherson or whatever his name is wrote about how he was just about to push the button to post an article on the Eagles website that they had drafted Khalif Barnes last year when they went ahead and took Mike Patterson.
goddamnit...i would won the mock contests....
Quote from: MURP on April 13, 2006, 03:33:02 PM
Eagles | Team has visit with Jean-Gilles
Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:03:01 -0700
Adam Caplan, of the Pro Football News and Injury Report, reports the Philadelphia Eagles visited with Georgia OG Max Jean-Gilles earlier this week.
If they get him.....and he could learn to swap from guard to center....or just stay at guard..... :drool :drool :drool
Beast.
I hate MJG. He's one of the players that the media hypes up all the time but if you watch him he just isnt that good. He's slow, overweight, and cant block at the 2nd level. I wouldnt touch him till day 2 for the Eagles.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 13, 2006, 11:14:50 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 13, 2006, 09:09:19 AM
Did someone say Matt McCoy??
I still think it's too early to make fun of him.
I'm not making fun of him personally. I'm hoping against hope that the kid actually has something to contribute.
What I am making fun of is the pick where we took him, speaking to IGY's point about taking a player way higher than where he was projected to go. McCoy was considered a 4th rounder in a lot of circles and we took him with the 63rd pick.
Eagles | Team has pre-draft visit with S. Paxson
Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:47:30 -0700
Bob Grotz, of the Daily Times, reports the Philadelphia Eagles conducted a pre-draft visit with Penn State DL Scott Paxson Wednesday, April 12.
he could be tried for 2 lesser accounts on a sexual assault case that just got dismissed.
Bring him in Reid, we need some of that aggression applied to our defense
Quote from: Dillen37 on April 13, 2006, 04:50:37 PM
I hate MJG. He's one of the players that the media hypes up all the time but if you watch him he just isnt that good. He's slow, overweight, and cant block at the 2nd level. I wouldnt touch him till day 2 for the Eagles.
I disagree totally. Every time I watched Georgia this past year he was blowing people up. Id love for the Eagles to pick him up.
Quote from: Dillen37 on April 13, 2006, 04:50:37 PM
I hate MJG. He's one of the players that the media hypes up all the time but if you watch him he just isnt that good. He's slow, overweight, and cant block at the 2nd level. I wouldnt touch him till day 2 for the Eagles.
Maybe you've been watching the wrong lineman then. I saw just about every UGA game this year and MJG is a flat out mauler. He regularly swallows d-linemen and is about as physical as they come. He's the biggest o-lineman in the draft (6'4, 355) and he uses that weight to his advantage... but he's quick enough to get out and pull when he needs to.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2407977
Lendale White all of the sudden jumped up to the top of andy's list of players to draft, you know how he loves to pick up injured guys on the cheap.
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Stovall 'enjoys trip' to NovaCare
Bob Grotz , Of the Times Staff
One NovaCare Way was full of NFL draft prospects Wednesday, from wide receiver Maurice Stovall, the 2002 Daily Times Player of the Year, to D'Brickashaw Ferguson, the top-rated offensive lineman in the upcoming lottery.
The Eagles also met with offensive tackle Winston Justice of USC and Scott Paxson of Penn State, a product of Roman Catholic High School in Philadelphia.
Stovall followed a sensational career at Archbishop Carroll with a stellar tour at Notre Dame, compiling 19 career touchdown receptions to tie for second on the all-time list and 2,069 receiving yards, fifth in school history.
The Eagles are among several teams interested in Stovall, who has evolved into a slam-dunk first-day pick in the April 29 NFL Draft after an eye-opening senior season with 60 catches for 1,023 yards (17.0 yard average) and 11 touchdowns.
The next stop on Stovall's whirlwind tour is Denver, where he will meet with Mike Shanahan and the Broncos.
The 6-5, 216-pound Stovall already has visited Jon Gruden and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
All of those teams employ West Coast style offenses that put a premium on big, physical receivers capable of catching in the middle of the field.
"He said the visit went well," said Stovall's father, Maurice. "He enjoyed the trip and he was impressed with the organization. He said he spoke to the coach and some players and he loved what he heard."
Ferguson (6-5, 295), an offensive tackle from the University of Virginia, is widely considered a top three draft pick. His forte is pass protection.
The Eagles also finished up a meeting with Winston Justice (6-7, 320), the imposing offensive tackle out of Southern California. Justice has baggage, having been arrested for pulling a replica gun on a fellow student in February of 2004, and being suspended for the ensuing season.
Ferguson and Justice are projected to come off the board in the top 15 picks. Stovall could be drafted in the first or second rounds.
Paxson (6-4, 292) had 10½ tackles for losses, including three sacks and 44 tackles en route to first-team All-Big Ten honors last year.
Paxson's future could hinge on an April 20 hearing in Centre County Court, for he's been charged with sexual assault, aggravated indecent assault and indecent assault on a fellow student in December of 2004, according to reports.
If the charges against Paxson aren't withdrawn prior to the hearing, which authorities concede is a possibility, a judge will decide whether or not the player should be held for trial.
Stovall, just 21 years old, had 31 receptions for 743 yards and nine touchdowns as a senior in 2001.
Stovall established single-game Notre Dame records last season with 14 catches, including four touchdown grabs, in a victory over Brigham Young. Stovall's 207 receiving yards rank fifth in Irish history.
Stovall had three catches for 30 yards against USC, which rallied to defeat the Irish in South Bend.
Reid probably just wanted to have the guy in to kick him in his balls for thrashing BYU.
Paxson sounds like a DT that won't be afraid to penetrate the gap against the opposing team's will.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 14, 2006, 01:31:37 PM
Paxson sounds like a DT that won't be afraid to penetrate the gap against the opposing team's will.
:yay
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 14, 2006, 01:31:37 PM
Paxson sounds like a DT that won't be afraid to penetrate the gap against the opposing team's will.
Yeah, towards the end of the season he was going to be a guy I was going to include in the Eagles Mock contest because hes from the area and is exactly what the Eagles need, then I remember the Eagles havent ever cared where hes from.
QuotePaxson's future could hinge on an April 20 hearing in Centre County Court, for he's been charged with sexual assault, aggravated indecent assault and indecent assault on a fellow student in December of 2004, according to reports.
If the charges against Paxson aren't withdrawn prior to the hearing, which authorities concede is a possibility, a judge will decide whether or not the player should be held for trial.
Andy won't touch him if that's not resolved.
From what I've read the DA up there has his head up his ass. And I believe the charges have been dismissed recently.
Some more players...found on NextLevelScouting's website:
Quote*ALBANY STATE, GA senior defensive back DEMETRIE MCCRAY has reported to the NLS Staff that he has had private workouts with New Orleans and Philadelphia over the past few weeks... he also ran the 40-yard dash and did positional drills at the recent Pro Day held at Valdosta State... averaged 4.50 in the 40, while weighing in at 6000, 195 pounds... showed his versatility as a defender by recorded two sacks in one game and grabbing two interceptions in another during his senior campaign... also noted for his special teams play, including a blocked kick against Lane
QuoteANDERSON, IN senior linebacker/deep snapper WYATT GAYER has reported to the NLS Staff that no-less than seven teams have requested additional information and game film on him since his Pro Day... he has sent out two more games to be evaluated to Atlanta, Carolina, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Jacksonville, New England and Philadelphia
I can hear the chuckles already about his last name...
Quote*DELAWARE STATE senior safety SAM SMITH has reported to the NLS Staff that he will had a private workout on Friday, April 7th with at least five NFL teams, including Minnesota, New England, Carolina, Jacksonville and Philadelphia.
QuoteEASTERN KENTUCKY senior wide receiver ANDRE RALSTON has reported to the NLS Staff that he has received additional attention from several teams since his Pro Day on March 7th... both Philadelphia and Cleveland... since then he has had a private workout with Carolina and Indianapolis... and Chicago plans to do the same before the draft.
QuoteKENTUCKY STATE senior defensive back/return man MARCUS WRIGHT has reported to the NLS Staff that he has had on-campus private workouts with Carolina and Cleveland... he has also received additional interest from New England and Philadelphia over the past few weeks... his exciting return skills have started to put him on the map with teams that have been able to review his tapes, which includes a total of ten touchdowns in just the past two seasons
QuoteNEW MEXICO STATE senior safety MATT GRIEBEL has reported to the NLS Staff that he has received additional interest from Atlanta, Indianapolis and Philadelphia in recent weeks... he does not standout in any one category size (5-11, 190), speed (4.60) and gets little or no national coverage... he recorded 149 tackles as a senior, while playing the whole year with a cast on his left arm, which protected a broken arm... had a 4.0 GPA and is a great student of the game with a ton of intangibles.
QuotePENN STATE senior defensive back CALVIN LOWRY has reported to the NLS Staff that he has received additional interest from no-less than six teams, which includes Atlanta, Carolina, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Tennessee since his Pro Day... he improved most of his results from the Combine, as well as having a very good positional workout during his on-campus performance at Penn State
QuoteFLORIDA senior defensive end JEREMY MINCEY has reported to the NLS Staff that he has had private workouts with Philadelphia, Kansas City and New England... the Patriots had him perform drills as both a DE and OLB... there are several teams that employ the 3-4 defense that are evaluating him as a possible conversion to OLB.
Quote*N.C. STATE senior linebacker OLIVER HOYTE has had private workouts with New England and Philadelphia... expects to have a similar workout with Tampa Bay... also will go on a private visit to Tampa Bay
QuoteDevin Aramashodu, WR, Auburn
Luke Nicholson: What NFL teams interviewed you at the combine?
Devin Aromashodu: Most of the teams. The main teams are probably Green Bay, Philadelphia, Chicago, Carolina.
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John Busing, LB, Miami(OH)
Luke Nicholson: Which NFL teams have shown interest in you? Is there a specific team you hope to play for?
John Busing: I've had workouts for the Bengals and 49ers and have been shown interest by the Bears, Panthers, Eagles, Jets, and the taterskins. It doesn't matter to me where I end up playing, I just want to continue playing the game I love for as long as I can.
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Jason Davis, FB, Illinois
Luke Nicholson: Which NFL teams have shown interest in you?
Jason Davis: A couple were at the Pro Day that showed interest like the Jaguars, the 49ers, and the Colts. Philly talked to me. They showed a little interest at the Pro Day.
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Babatunde Oshinowo, DT, Stanford
Luke Nicholson: Which NFL teams interviewed you at the combine? What were some of the more interesting questions you were asked and how did you answer?
Babatunde Oshinowo: I was interviewed by the Eagles, Browns, Giants, Ravens, Packers, Chiefs, Broncos, Steelers, and Patriots, officially. I spent time talking with just about all of the teams.
yeah Paxson's stuff was dismissed although he can still get hit with some other charges for now I saw.
Eagles | Team interested in C. Jackson
Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:35:46 -0700
Bob Grotz, of the Delaware County Times, reports the Philadelphia Eagles already have or will conduct a pre-draft visit with Florida WR Chad Jackson.
Eagles | Team conducted pre-draft visit with S. Moss
Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:35:26 -0700
Bob Grotz, of the Delaware County Times, reports the Philadelphia Eagles conducted a pre-draft visit with Miami WR Sinorice Moss Tuesday, April 11.
IGY, your dreams of Moss might be coming true after all.... ;)
xtacy just creamed his pants along with IGY
Former S. Jersey star to visit with Eagles
Running back Wali Lundy is scheduled to visit the Eagles early next week at the NovaCare Complex.
Lundy, a graduate of Holy Cross High School in Delran, set an Atlantic Coast Conference record with 52 touchdowns during his four seasons at the University of Virginia. He also finished his career with 3,193 rushing yards and 895 receiving yards, and even threw two touchdown passes. He also returned kickoffs as a freshman.
The 5-foot-10, 214-pound running back is projected as a second-day draft pick.
Lundy will be the second local product to visit the Eagles as they prepare for the NFL draft on April 29. Notre Dame wide receiver Maurice Stovall from Archbishop Carroll High visited the team this week.
5'10", 214? We need another one of those RB's, most certainly.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 15, 2006, 05:21:06 PM
5'10", 214? We need another one of those RB's, most certainly.
Lundy runs with pretty good power and has decent hands too...
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 15, 2006, 05:21:06 PM
5'10", 214? We need another one of those RB's, most certainly.
Yeah, he should be at least 5'11 like Shaun Alexander.
One of the few profiles I could find for Lundy. He is down towards the end on most value boards, after guys like Bell, Riggs, and some other guys I've never heard of:
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Wali Lundy (Virginia - 4SR) 5'10" 214 4.61 - Career stats (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2005&org=746&player=33)
2005 Honors: None
All-Star Game: Shrine Bowl. Participated in practice, but left before the game to return home to attend to personal matters.
Strengths: Multi-talented threat with a tremendous nose for the end zone (ACC all-time career TD leader with 52). Very good short-yardage runner with power for his size, vision to find the crease, and explosion to get through to the second level.
Weaknesses: Durability and fumbling. His production as a receiver has decreased each year, after an incredible 58-435-4 as a true freshman. Lacks quickness to beat defenders to the corner and straight-line speed to hit the home run if he gets in the open field.
Outlook: One of the biggest disappointments of the year, after being one of the most productive runners in the nation his first three seasons. Coming into 2005, Lundy was fifth in career rushing yards among active D-IA players. He and DonTrell Moore were the only two players in the country with three seasons of 800+ rushing yards. His 10 100-yard games were the most by any active player in the ACC. He had scored 22 TDs in his last 14 games and his 41 TDs were third among active college players. His problems actually began mid-season in 2004, when inconsistency and fumbling landed him in HC Al Groh's doghouse, allowing Alvin Pearman to break out and propel himself to being a fourth round pick. Lundy will now be lucky to go that high. However, 2005 started off well, as his problems with Groh appeared to be behind him. Groh complemented the off-season Lundy had and named him a team captain. He looked in great shape at the Spring Game, but left early after turning his ankle, and then sprained his foot in the season opener. It took him half the season to recover, and he was off the radar by then. Lacking ideal size and speed, his mysterious absence from the Shrine Game won't help stop his freefall. This looks like Walter Reyes all over again.
Seems like he'll be a late second day type, if he gets drafted at all.
7 of the top 10 leading rushers in the NFL were 5-11 or shorter last year.
Quote from: MURP on April 15, 2006, 07:13:08 PM
7 of the top 10 leading rushers in the NFL were 5-11 or shorter last year.
I'm just saying... I think Westbrook is the finesse guy, Moats is slightly more of a straight-line speed guy, and Perry runs very tough, despite his size... so drafting another guy similar in size to those guys, no matter what his style, is kind of pointless. Unless you think Moats and/or Perry sucks.
Heyyyy......didn't McMullen score a lot of tds out of UVa? Go get him, Andy!
I have a man crush on Sinorice.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on April 16, 2006, 01:23:07 AM
I have a man crush on Sinorice.
Pinoy,
It's 1 AM, you've been drinking. Go to bed. Sleep it off and you'll be fine in the morning.
p.s. I have a man crush on Mario Coleman.
QuoteEagles | K. Clemens works out for team
Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:20:51 -0700
Ron Bellamy, of The Register-Guard, reports Oregon QB Kellen Clemens had an individual workout with the Philadelphia Eagles.
This is the guy who I would like to see them take if Gradkowski is off the board.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 15, 2006, 08:10:41 PM
Quote from: MURP on April 15, 2006, 07:13:08 PM
7 of the top 10 leading rushers in the NFL were 5-11 or shorter last year.
I'm just saying... I think Westbrook is the finesse guy, Moats is slightly more of a straight-line speed guy, and Perry runs very tough, despite his size... so drafting another guy similar in size to those guys, no matter what his style, is kind of pointless. Unless you think Moats and/or Perry sucks.
215 is a lot more than the 190-200 range when you are talking about a running back.
Top 10 rising and falling prospects (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=rivals-19424&prov=rivals&type=story_draft)
good post sd
jimmy williams might as well drop off the entire draft board...the guy is a joke...hes a matt ware clone....hes should be at best a 4th round pick
His stock has plummeted. He was on NFL radio a month or so ago, the way the hosts were talking about him he was a lock as a top 10 pick. Now it looks as though he'll be a mid to most likely late first rounder.
he will go in the first round and it will be one of the biggest mistakes his picking team could ever make
Jimmy Williams was a great college corner.
We don't need a corner, but someone is going to be very happy with him.
nope...some players games translate to the nfl level and then theres jimmy williams...he will be lost in the league...
Nah, he'll be a stud. He's a blanket.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 17, 2006, 12:40:37 AM
Jimmy Williams was a great college corner.
We don't need a corner, but someone is going to be very happy with him.
He got more attention than he deserved because of his size. Not saying he'll be a bad player, just don't think he'll be anything special, and certainly wouldn't want my team to spend a 1st on him. The Matt Ware comparison igy made was spot on, they're similar players.
Jimmy Williams is not a Matt Ware clone, imo he will be a very good pro everytime I watched Va Tech play the dude was making plays. Don't be so quick to write off Matt Ware by the way, it took Lito and Sheldon a few years before they did anything.
Where do you guys think Kiwakuna will be taken at?
Yeah, Matt Ware clone... where does this come from? Every time I've seen him play he locks down receivers and makes plays.
The Matt Ware clone seems to me like something derived from looking at two players bio's with their height and weight, and say LOOK HE'S 6'3 AND SO IS MATT WARE! HE'S A MATT WARE CLONE!
jimmy williams only chance at contributing in the league as was matt wares would be at safety...they are both to slow tall and lanky to play corner...if williams can make the transisition to safety he has a chance but i highly doubt it....bottom line is he has no chance at being an nfl cornerback....and a limited chance at being an nfl starter in general
Quote from: mpmcgraw on April 17, 2006, 12:47:53 AM
Where do you guys think Kiwakuna will be taken at?
Late first early second. His stock has plummeted too.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 17, 2006, 12:44:10 AM
Jimmy Williams is not a Matt Ware clone, imo he will be a very good pro everytime I watched Va Tech play the dude was making plays. Don't be so quick to write off Matt Ware by the way, it took Lito and Sheldon a few years before they did anything.
Brown and Sheppard showed signs of being good players, Ware hasn't so far. I really hope JJ takes a long look at him as a Safety during TC. I didn't follow UCLA too closely but from what I hear he was a better college safety than he was a CB.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 17, 2006, 12:48:58 AM
Yeah, Matt Ware clone... where does this come from? Every time I've seen him play he locks down receivers and makes plays.
The Matt Ware clone seems to me like something derived from looking at two players bio's with their height and weight, and say LOOK HE'S 6'3 AND SO IS MATT WARE! HE'S A MATT WARE CLONE!
There aren't many 6'3 athletic CBs (aside from Ware are there any?) in the league so it's a natural comparison to make.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2006, 12:54:16 AM
jimmy williams only chance at contributing in the league as was matt wares would be at safety...they are both to slow tall and lanky to play corner...if williams can make the transisition to safety he has a chance but i highly doubt it....bottom line is he has no chance at being an nfl cornerback....and a limited chance at being an nfl starter in general
I disagree. From what I've seen at the college level, he'd make a fine corner. He doesn't get beat often and he can stay with his man.
hes way to slow to play corner in the league
He's not that slow.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 17, 2006, 01:20:55 AM
He's not that slow.
Quote10. Jimmy Williams - CB - Virginia Tech
Big, athletic senior cornerback was considered a possible top-10 selection entering his final season but failed to impress in many areas. He has not shown well-developed technique or instincts related to zone coverage. He can be slow to react and reckless at times, making him vulnerable to big plays. He had an average workout at Virginia Tech from a speed and agility standpoint. He is not a quick twitch player and his ability to make the transition in coverage is suspect against NFL-caliber receivers. He has the size and athleticism to move to free safety where he carries a starting grade, but he must go through a learning curve at a new position. He probably goes late in the first round, but is not in the top 15 prospects in a deep cornerback class
Well this report says otherwise.
That's fine.
I can only vouch for myself and what I saw watching him play.
Another Eagles 1st round sleeper pick: Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 17, 2006, 01:27:30 AM
That's fine.
I can only vouch for myself and what I saw watching him play.
Against Big East/ACC competition. McMullen looked awesome in the ACC too.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 17, 2006, 07:09:56 AM
Another Eagles 1st round sleeper pick: Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina.
I'd actually be very angry if we took a CB that high in the draft. I think improving our DL play makes both of our CBs better, and I'm fine with our backups at the moment. I don't have a problem with taking one later in the draft for depth purposes but not one of our high picks.
The more I think of it the more I want to draft a quick DE who can play OLB for us, in the Shawn Merriman role. My new wants are either Manny Lawson or Wimbley.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 17, 2006, 10:11:12 AM
My new wants are either Manny Lawson or Wimbley.
Although I have those guys more as a prediction than a want, I agree. However, I think Hood walks for a starting job after this season, and the Eagles have no one that can step in and be an excellent nickel CB... so I simply wouldn't be surprised to see them go for one.
But not in the first round, I don't think. Their starters are Lito and Sheldon. You don't spend a first rounder on a nickel corner.
Splitting hairs. The nickel corner sees as many snaps in JJ's defense as any of the starters on the D-Line, if not more.
Good point which is why I'm praying Hood gets signed to a long term deal. Give him a tier below what Lito and Sheldon are making. $3-4 million per season if need be, a 3rd corner who could start elsewhere is well worth it, not to mention a vital position on the team is taken care of for the next 3-4 seasons.
QuoteBrown and Sheppard showed signs of being good players, Ware hasn't so far. I really hope JJ takes a long look at him as a Safety during TC. I didn't follow UCLA too closely but from what I hear he was a better college safety than he was a CB.
I think your are right about him at safety and I am fine with that, I remember him playing in the SB and I thought he showed promise. I didn't get to see much of this season so I really can't comment, but to me it seems that he has been hindered by injuries.
QuoteAnother Eagles 1st round sleeper pick: Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina.
I can't imagine them doing that at 14 not if a guy like Tye Hill is availble, Joseph only had one real year at South Carolina. I would be extremely disappointed if they took him at that spot. I would like to see Lawson or Wimbley but to me that is a little high to be taking situational players.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 17, 2006, 12:37:46 PM
Good point which is why I'm praying Hood gets signed to a long term deal. Give him a tier below what Lito and Sheldon are making. $3-4 million per season if need be, a 3rd corner who could start elsewhere is well worth it, not to mention a vital position on the team is taken care of for the next 3-4 seasons.
Hood wouldn't likely sign a deal like that. Him and his agent know he'll get big money to be a starter somewhere in 2007. They have been trying to sign him long term since last year and they are holding out.
Look no further than what Jacksonville gave Brian Williams from Minnesota. Something like $10M to sign.
Hood is better than him. And so are Lito and Sheldon and Williams got more than both of them to sign.
hood is as good as gone...they might as well look around now for his replacement...i think he (as are most 3rd corners in the nfl) is highly overrated so i have no concerns about him going....if he was that good hed be starting in the nfl now....3rd corners who do a nice job always get elevated far too highlys because they dont have the responsibility of having to go out there from play 1 thru the end of the game and locking up the opponents best wr's...once he leaves and starts for another team youll see another al harris type situation...a guy that can hold down a starting spot but not someone you want doing it...especially for the money youll be paying him
If you concede that Hood is as good as gone, you can pretty much guarantee the Eagles will take a cornerback on the first day. So, who do you think are the best pure cover corners available in the draft? Tye Hill, Johnathan Joseph, Ashton Youboty?
and Hood is not better than Williams, dont let your homerism get the best of you
Quote from: reese125 on April 18, 2006, 08:19:06 AM
and Hood is not better than Williams, dont let your homerism get the best of you
Hood is not a better cover corner than Jimmy Williams?
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree.
i think reese is talking about brian williams...and in that case i agree
as for the corner on the first day i dont think thats a given even if hood is gone next year...i could easily see them take a corner or even two with the fourth round picks...of course its really hard to say as if someone is unexpectedly there at their second or third pick then they would do it...but i dont think its a lock
i like youboty a lot but isnt he a first rounder??
correct IGY
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 18, 2006, 08:26:26 AM
i like youboty a lot but isnt he a first rounder??
Yes. He'll probably be picked in the late teens/early 20's.
I don't know why so many people are so sure that the Eagles wouldn't take a CB with the 1st round pick if they see value there. I think they'd take one with teh quickness if he's the top player on their board.
I don't know why so many people are so sure that the Eagles wouldn't take a CB with the 1st round pick if they see value there. I think they'd take one with teh quickness if he's the top player on their board.
absolutely...i think they have proven they will potentially take any position at anytime if the situation dictates...outside of a quarterback early there isnt anything they could do in the draft that would truly surprise me
1st round kicker?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 18, 2006, 08:16:09 AM
If you concede that Hood is as good as gone, you can pretty much guarantee the Eagles will take a cornerback on the first day. So, who do you think are the best pure cover corners available in the draft? Tye Hill, Johnathan Joseph, Ashton Youboty?
I'm not so sure Hood's leaving means that the Eagles will look to take a CB high in this draft. The Eagles were singing the praises of Donald Strickland during the last half of the season and what a great find he was. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they looked to him to be the nickel if Hood were to skip town. He'll already have time vested with the secondary and he'll cost a whole lot less than a 1st round CB will. Not saying it's a great idea... just that it wouldn't surpise me.
No, it wouldn't absolutely surprise me either. It makes a lot of sense that Strickland could be a worse fit in the Colts' zone scheme and better at manning up like JJ prefers. Also, he was a constant injury problem for the Colts, so he might have just needed a fresh start. The guy was a 3rd round pick (#90 overall)** just in 2003, after all.
But, it also wouldn't surprise me if they felt Strickland wasn't an answer there.
**Funny note: The Colts picked Steve Sciullo in the next round. I guess the Eagles liked dappling in the Colts' 2003 draft a lot more than the Colts did. Too bad they couldn't somehow snag their 5th rounder (Robert Mathis).
While Googling some info on some later round QBs the Birds might look at, I found a blog from Gradkowski about his time at the combine....he gives some insight as to what AR and Co. wanted to see from him at the meeting they had with him:
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On Saturday night, I had my scheduled meeting with the Eagles. That went very well. When I met with their quarterbacks coach in the room, I'd draw up plays for him. When I met with the Eagles staff, (head coach) Andy Reid was sitting there. They asked me about my background. Then they started in with the questions. Andy Reid said, 'Go to the board. It's third-and-eight. Draw up any play you want.' I drew up a play and every detail I knew about the play, what my thought process was, the protection, how to pick up the blitz. Andy Reid said, 'What if this guy comes?' And I went over what I would do. I thought it went very well. That's what excites me. I want to be up in front of coaches and show them what I know about football. I'm pretty confident in my mental abilities as a player.
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March 18th was my pro day. Pitt let me do my pro day at Pitt. I'm thankful to Dave Wannstedt and Pitt for letting me do that. Our pro day at Toledo was March 2nd, which was right after the combine, and I didn't feel like I had anything left to show right after that. All I did was throw at Pitt's pro day. The Eagles, Rams, Browns, Jaguars and Steelers were there. I threw to my cousin, Ralph DelSardo, who played at Morehead State and is now at coach at St. Francis, Pa.
The more I read about the dude, the more I hope the Eagles pick him up. A lot of scouts compare him to Garcia, and he grades well, but physically he is not a prototypical QB. Unreal stats in college to boot.
Link (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/03001/678159-209.stm)
He certainly fits the prototype of what the Eagles would look to get.
I would know what to say if AR was interviewing me for a QB spot:
AR: It is third and eight, what do you do?
Me: Pass, preferably play action.
AR: What if this guy comes?
Me: What? He didn't bite on the play action?? I wouldn't scramble, I would take the hit, and lose yards since I probably have no running back into block, and no fullback worth a shtein. If I can get it off, lob it up there.
AR: It is now 4 and 17, what do you do?
Me: Pass, preferably play action.
AR: I like you.
Me: Where do I sign coach? *Cha-ching.*
Andy: ok its
qb: pass
Andy: what would you do if
qb: pass
Andy: but
qb: pass
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 18, 2006, 03:33:22 PM
AR: It is now 4 and 17, what do you do?
Me: Pass, preferably play action.
Ha!
QuoteAndy Reid said, 'Go to the board. It's third-and-eight. Draw up any play you want.'
Afterwards:Andy: Nice. OK, now it's 3rd and 1. Lets see a play designed for that.
Grad: That's easy. Everyone runs a "go" route.
Andy: Let's get this kid fitted for a jersey.
some really interesting comments here...especially regarding veedee tho i dont agree
Draft audibles
What NFL evaluators are saying in final meetings
By Nolan Nawrocki
April 17, 2006
Scouts have been on the trails for nine months, but in the month preceding the draft, many evaluators who will be pulling the trigger on Draft Day are finally getting the opportunity to really dissect players and study their favorites as teams put their final grades on players and stack their draft board for the last time before the big day.
Through our everyday dealings with teams, PFW offers the opinions and thoughts of those who matter, which are being conveyed in the final weeks leading up to the draft. Keep in mind, a lot of smoke flies in April as teams try to conceal their intentions, and this is the time of the year that many scouts change their opinions when they are dealing with even their closest peers and, no doubt, media.
PFW does not necessarily agree with all of the statements made by evaluators below, but it nonetheless offers some of what is being said in draft meetings around the league. Whether these opinions are sincere or not, they are still NFL opinions and carry many truths:
"(Penn State CB Alan) Zemaitis reminds me of (2005 Colts first-rounder) Marlin Jackson. He's very instinctive."
"(Maryland TE) Vernon Davis is not dumb when you are talking to him — he just does not have a good base of football knowledge or really understand how to convert routes. ... There's a big difference between scouting and looking at numbers (production, height, weight and speed). Davis may have better numbers than (Jeremy) Shockey and (Kellen) Winslow (Jr.), but he is not nearly as refined of a pass catcher as either were coming out. Go back and watch Davis and show me one catch he makes where he does not have to stop to bring in the ball. No one can deny his physical ability, but he's got a lot of work cut out for him."
"I know there are some scouts who have first-round grades on (Fresno State CB) Richard Marshall, but I don't know what they are looking at. He's stiff. He will play, but I don't ever see him being more than just a guy in the league. I have him graded in the third round."
"I watched four games of (Maryland LB) D'Qwell Jackson yesterday. I love his football temperament, instincts and the way he plays the game, but I do not like his foot speed. This is not the 1980s anymore. He is a liability vs. the pass."
"(Purdue SS) Bernard Pollard is very active. He has good instincts. He plays fast, has good man cover skills. He can mirror a quarterback and break on throws. He is a playmaker. He's a second-round talent."
"(Florida State FS) Pat Watkins shows some situational toughness, but he is so long and gangly. That concerns me."
"I went back and watched more of (Florida State DT) Brodrick Bunkley. He is a mean sucker. Wow! You put on the North Carolina tape, and he is a man. I haven't seen anyone kick the (crap) out of his opponents like he does in a long time."
"(Ohio State S) Donte Whitner is the last guy moving. His angles are bad. He can cover on the short end but not on the top end. He's (Patriots 2005 fourth-round pick) James Sanders. He has no instincts. He is aggressive, tough, can close to the ball. He'll hit you and support the run, but I didn't like his key and diagnose. He's not a half safety. You need some special goggles to evaluate if you think he's a half safety. He's choppy in his movement. He can run and he's fearless, but he's not Bob Sanders moving at the snap. And little safeties wear down."
"I can't cosign on drafting (Syracuse S) Anthony Smith because he's only 194 pounds. (Bengals 2004 second-rounder) Madieu Williams wore down at 190 pounds and has not been able to stay healthy. It's going to be the same issue."
"(Auburn OT) Marcus McNeil passed our physical. He never missed any time. He doesn't tuck his tail and get in and up on (defenders) like you want him to, but he's not a major medical risk in the eyes of our doctors."
"(South Carolina CB) Johnathan Joseph will take several years to figure it out and he may be a bust. He's not a good worker. He misses a lot of tackles not wrapping. He gets beat a lot. He does not like the weight room. He has a 315-pound squat and two injuries after only playing one year. He can't hold up."
"Does (Michigan WR) Jason Avant get drafted on the first day? I put him in the fourth round. He can't run. A lot of receivers are going to get drafted higher than they should. This is the worst receiving class I have seen since I have begun evaluating."
"(Minnesota RB Laurence) Maroney is a tight, erect runner. He's not a creator. There has to be a lane there for him to clear the line. He is a system guy. And he has an odd personality. He does not know when to shut up."
"(Ohio State CB) Ashton Youboty is very young in his thinking. He should have stayed in school. He looks terrible on tape sometimes. He's not consistent at all."
"(Notre Dame TE) Anthony Fasano is a lot like (Steelers 2005 first-rounder) Heath Miller was last year. He's not as good of an athlete, but he can help your team in a lot of the same ways."
"(Western Michigan TE) Tony Scheffler reminds me a lot of (Bengals third-rounder) Aaron Schobel. (Scheffler) runs routes like he has a rod shoved up his ***. When you watch him on tape, he looks like a guy you see in black and white cut-ups, like he came out of the 1930s. He's not fluid at all. I'd be surprised if he went on the first day, but he could. Anything is possible with the group of guys making decisions in this league."
"I talked to a coach the other day who had (Michigan State DT) Domata Peko graded as a first-day talent. And I couldn't correct him, but I hope they take him there. That just means another good player will be there for us. (Peko) is a one-year starter from junior college. Those are not the guys I want to bet on coming around."
"Vince Young has put the brakes on his slide. It's amazing how all of these evaluations come full circle. No football has been played since January, and what you thought he was then, he still is now. I think he is still more of a thrower than a passer. He's so big. He drops 11 yards on seven steps. His presence is so intimidating."
"(Penn State DE) Tamba Hali cannot find the ball. He is very overrated, and when you combine the history of Penn State defensive ends — Courtney Brown, Michael Haynes — I wouldn't touch him. More mistakes are made on players at that school than any because of the way the head coach (Joe Paterno) treats scouts. Call me shortsighted, but I have never drafted one from that school, and it will take a lot of convincing before I do."
"I like (Miami, Fla.) OT Eric Winston better than (USC OT) Winston Justice. (Winston) is a good technician with solid fundamentals."
"(Georgia TE) Leonard Pope is a 50-50 catcher with marginal concentration. He has way too many drops. With the amount of time tight ends have to catch in traffic in the pros, I don't want him on my team. He can't get in and out of routes."
"I think a lot of teams will get spooked out by Ernie Sims' concussions. I love the way he strikes, but I don't know how long he can hold up with the way he hits. He's an assassin."
"(Boston College DE) Mathias Kiwanuka cannot transfer his speed into power. He has no power. He has few special qualities. He's manufactured. You don't want to know where I graded him. I have him in the third round."
"(LSU OT) Andrew Whitworth will be overdrafted like all those big, long-armed maulers are. He can't pull and change directions well enough to help us. He cannot stop a speed charge. He's not explosive. He has no upside. He hasn't changed since his freshman year except getting stronger. He has no flexibility. He's a straight-line mauler with no lateral quickness. But someone will overdraft him because he's an overachiever."
"(Virginia LB) Kai Parham is a dinosaur. He will never be successful in the National Football League. He would have been really good as an inside 'backer in the 3-4 back in the early '80s."
Get Bunkley and Pollard! (I guess.)
Some harsh stuff in there.
Quote"You don't want to know where I graded him. I have him in the third round."
"Dude, you have to give me time to guess. If you're going to quiz me you have to insert a pause."
Quote from: reese125 on April 18, 2006, 08:19:06 AM
and Hood is not better than Williams, dont let your homerism get the best of you
shtein. Please.
Rod Hood > Brian Williams
Quote"I went back and watched more of (Florida State DT) Brodrick Bunkley. He is a mean sucker. Wow! You put on the North Carolina tape, and he is a man. I haven't seen anyone kick the (crap) out of his opponents like he does in a long time."
GET BUNKLEY!
Damn... Bunkley must have laced this guy's pockets with something nice. He's the only one this guy didn't trash.
From Rivals.com
QuoteTen Underrated, Ten Overrated
By NFL Draft Staff – Rivals.com
Despite intense scouting, film study, Combine workouts, Pro Days and all-star games front-office personnel still hit and miss with NFL Draft picks.
Some high draft picks have had disappointing careers because of injuries. Others just never make it.
On the flip side, some late picks have gone on to star in several Pro Bowls. Even undrafted free agents can turn into future gems (see Rod Smith, Priest Holmes and Antonio Gates).
The key to a successful draft is being savvy enough to find a diamond in the rough like Mark Clayton or Richard Dent (both eighth-round picks) and being lucky enough to avoid selecting the next Ryan Leaf (No. 2 pick overall in 1998).
The examples we have below aren't that extreme, but scout and NFL Draft expert Frank Coyle of draftinsiders.com has identified the 10 most overrated and 10 most underrated players in the 2006 Draft.
Ten Underrated Prospects
1. Will Blackmon - CB - Boston College
This guy moved to wide receiver as a senior to help his club, hurting his overall development on the corner. Earlier in his career he performed at a very high level at cornerback. He carries a definite starting NFL grade there. He is the most miscast player in recent memory and a prospect with a big upside and fast learning curve once he settles back at the cornerback spot.
2. Daryn Colledge - OT - Boise St.
A tough, sound technician, Colledge completed a fine career at left tackle where he started more than 50 games. While he played well at the Senior Bowl and we rate him a definite top-50 player and early NFL starter, he has not received the attention of the top prospects. He has the physical and mental skills to play a long time in the league.
3. Mark Anderson - DE - Alabama
This strong, rugged defensive end may be the most underrated defender in recent years. He was a key part of the tough Tide defense. He has well-developed skills as both a pass rusher and run stuffer. He can play either side, and scouts are sitting on this guy hoping he slides to the third round. With the demand on ends for the 4-3 scheme, he could be gone in the mid-second round.
4. Joe Klopfenstein - TE - Colorado
Big, athletic tight end who completed a fine career in the Big 12 and shows well-developed receiving skills and fast-improving blocking talent. He has the athleticism to be an early NFL starter and would give a club a fine weapon with the ability to be a vertical threat. He may slide to the third round in this deep class and be one of the draft's best values at that point.
5. Mike Degory - OC - Florida
Degory is a big, physical center who has not received much attention this offseason after a fine SEC career that included more than 50 starts. He tested out only average at the NFL Combine, though not that far below top center prospect Nick Mangold of Ohio State. He has an early NFL starting grade and could be a major steal on the late first or early second day of the draft with the talent, intangibles and technique to have a long NFL career.
6. LeKevin Smith - DT – Nebraska
A strong defensive tackle who was a fine performer on the Nebraska front line since his freshman season. He is stout against the run with the ability to play in any scheme. He also shows a good bull rush to push the pocket and pressure the passer. He is well-developed and should help immediately in a three-tackle rotation with a starting grade fairly early in his pro career.
7. Roman Harper - S - Alabama
This tough veteran safety was a key performer for the Tide's highly rated defense over the past three seasons. He is a big hitter with the speed to go sideline to sideline. He is also a developed cover man with the well-rounded skills to be an every down starter early in his career.
8. DeMario Minter - CB - Georgia
Minter is a tough, savvy cornerback who had a fine senior season and postseason but has not received much attention in this deep defensive back class. He has fine size with very good ball instincts and the ability to match up and battle big receivers. He will probably go late on the first or early in the second day where he has the potential to be a major steal.
9. Wali Lundy - RB - Virginia
A compact senior tailback who was very productive over his career. He has struggled with nagging injuries that have hurt his final grade because clubs are questioning his durability. He has produced against top competition and may be among the best goal-line runners in recent memory. He probably falls to the late rounds where he could be a major steal - we belive he carries an NFL starting grade.
10. Charles Gordon - CB - Kansas
This quick junior cornerback/return specialist failed to impress at the NFL Combine and has fallen through the cracks in this quality class. He is a playmaker with fine instincts and the ability to match up in coverage. He is also dangerous as a punt returner and could be one of the best bargains in this class if he falls to the second day of the draft.
Ten Overrated Prospects
1. Charlie Whitehurst - QB - Clemson
Whitehurst is a big, strong-armed passer who is high on many lists but carries only a marginal starting grade here. He is not very accurate and his decision making has been suspect throughout his career. He probably will go in the top 100 selections but is a definite reach there.
2. Greg Eslinger – OC - Minnesota
This mobile senior was a four-year starter in the Big Ten and won numerous awards for his fine play. He is a sound technician with fine footwork but has only marginal size and short arms, which causes problems with big tackles in single assignments. He could surprisingly fall to the second day of the draft and is best suited for zone blocking schemes like the Falcons, Broncos and Vikings.
3. Thomas Howard – LB- UTEP
A fast, athletic linebacker who tests out as well as any prospect in this draft class, Howard's production was decent but did not match his athletic ability. His lack of big plays is a concern. His inability to initially read the play properly does not put him in a position to consistently make the impact play. His athleticism may get him selected in the top 50, but that would be a definite reach.
4. Parys Haralson – DE - Tennessee
Haralson is a quick, smallish edge rusher who had a fine final season and good Senior Bowl performance. He has marginal size for end in a 4-3 scheme and has rarely played standing up. He is quick off the ball - which allows him to win early on the down - but whether he can beat NFL-caliber tackles remains to be seen. He has struggled when top tackles get their hands on him early, and he fails to show good secondary moves.
5. Abdul Hodge – LB - Iowa
This tough, productive senior linebacker put up incredible tackle numbers over his Big Ten career. He is a savvy linebacker but did not impress at the NFL Combine like other highly regarded defenders. He carries a starting grade but is not a top-60 prospect, although he could be part of a run on linebackers on the first day.
6. Darrell Hunter – CB – Miami (Ohio)
A big, athletic cornerback who played at a fairly high level over his long career. His instincts and his ability to make the big play are suspect despite those numbers. He failed to impress at the Senior Bowl against top competition, though he tested out well at the NFL Combine. He will probably be selected in the first day of the draft, but his level of development is questionable and he will have to step up to compete for playing time even as a role defender.
7. Will Allen - OG - Texas
Allen is a big, physical guard who has been a stalwart on the Texas line over the past three years. He is only an average athlete and did not live up to his press clippings at the Senior Bowl or NFL Combine. He will fall to the late rounds as a result and carries only a marginal starting grade with development.
8. Michael Robinson – WR – Penn St.
This college quarterback will have to make a position switch to play at the next level. He has played running back and wideout but has not developed fully at any position - which will limit his early playing time. He has a long learning curve to compete for a starting job and will be limited to a role player as receiver and runner with the option to throw the ball. He may become a fine role player, but he will need some time to refine his skills and is not a top 150 prospect.
9. Kyle Williams - DT - LSU
A tough, sound technician who was a productive defender for the Tigers. He often got the most out of his average athleticism. His instincts and good functional strength allowed him to beat most college blockers. His marginal size and average athletic ability may hinder him as a pro. He likely be limited to only a backup role despite fine production in college.
10. Anwar Phillips – CB – Penn St.
Phillips is an agile cornerback who was part of the tough Penn State defense in recent years. He performed well in the Nittany Lions' system, playing mainly zone coverage over his career. He has good size but only marginal speed and athletic ability. He needs the right scheme to be effective. He can be exploited in man coverage, especially in the deep game where his recovery speed is suspect.
Penn State Rules.
I don't know why anyone would consider Anwar any good in the first place. Zemaitis has some game, though.
I was watching the PSU/FSU Orange Bowl game today on DVD (first time I got to see the game) and I was not all that impressed with Bunkley. PSU was able to run directly up the gut without much difficulty, it reminds me too much of what the Eagles have been doing for the past few years. They need to get a fat boy in there next to Patterson.
Quote8. DeMario Minter - CB - Georgia
Minter is a tough, savvy cornerback who had a fine senior season and postseason but has not received much attention in this deep defensive back class. He has fine size with very good ball instincts and the ability to match up and battle big receivers. He will probably go late on the first or early in the second day where he has the potential to be a major steal.
I agree here. He was consistent as hell all year at UGA... never getting beaten for the big play. He's got good size (6'0", 198) and he's "tested" by playing in the SEC.
If the Eagles are actually looking for a DB as a possible replacement for Hood... and he's still there on Day 2, I'd love to see them use one of those 4th rounders on him. If that were to happen... I agree with the article that we'd probably be stealing him.
He sounds like a poor man's Champ Bailey.
Y'know... that's actually a pretty good description of him.
He's one of those guys who isn't very weak anywhere... and his "bust potential" is pretty low IMO. I think he'll be a solid CB at the least... but he has the tools and potential to be damn good. I think in the 4th round (where Kiper had him going as well)... that's great value.
He's also one of those high character guys who's very receptive to coaching so you know he gives Andy a stiffy.
QuoteDemario Minter
CB | (5'11 1/2", 190, 4.52) | GEORGIA
Scouts Grade: 71
Strengths: Possesses adequate-to-good height and is well built. He has very good speed. Shows solid balance and body control. Is a smooth athlete. Shows quickness in his pedal and good burst out of it. He has very good closing quickness. Will bat down a lot of passes at the last second. He has the quick-twitch athleticism to mirror quicker WR's double moves. He has very good recognition skills and takes few false steps. Rarely gets caught guessing and does a very good job of protecting himself from getting beat deep. He fills hard versus the run and knows how to use his hands to keep off of blocks. Is a solid open-field tackler with adequate-to-good strength.
Weaknesses: He is sound but not flashy. Is not much of a playmaker when the ball is in the air. Not overly aggressive. Protects himself from giving up the big play but doesn't make enough big plays of his own. His ball skills are poor and he doesn't challenge receivers enough. He did not have an interception as a fulltime starter in 2004 and his only two career interceptions came as a senior. He also has a character alert; suspended for two games in 2003 after arrested for marijuana possession.
Overall: Minter served as a reserve cornerback during his true freshman season in 2002 and moved to a sub-package role with one start in all 12 games played as a sophomore in 2003. Minter took over as a fulltime starter as a junior in 2004, finishing with 51 total tackles, including 3.5 for loss and 10 passes broken up. Minter started all 13 games as a senior in 2005 and finished with 48 tackles, 3.5 TFL, nine PBU and two interceptions. Minter does not have great playmaking skills and he's not an overly flashy player. He also has some character concerns that will scare some teams off. However, he has kept his nose clean over the course of the last two years (2004-'05) and he made more big plays as a senior. Minter has the size, speed, athleticism, experience and tackling skills to contribute immediately as a sub-package defensive back and on special teams in the NFL. We also believe that he has a solid NFL future as a No. 2 or No. 3 cornerback in the NFL. Minter could be off the 2006 draft board before the end of the first day.
Is it just me, or do his weaknesses seem kind of lame? Are they trying to say that he's not good because he'd rather cover his man than take a risk and go for the pick? Ha!
Exactly. Without looking it up, his weaknesses sound a lot like they could be used to describe Sheldon Brown. Sound but not flashy... not overly aggressive... low INT numbers (because he gets less balls thrown his way), etc. Sounds like they're reaching to me. Minter's got a "high floor" IMO for the pros... unless he just falls apart... he'll be a quality NFL CB.
Forgot about his ganja bust though...
It also reminds me of most of Bobby Carpenter's breakdowns where the only weakness they come up with is that he broke his leg.
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Eagles | Team to attend J. Lewis workout
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:10:36 -0700
The Washington Post reports the Philadelphia Eagles will attend the workout being held Thursday, April 20, by George Mason basketball player Jai Lewis. He has spent four days training with Walt Cline, Velocity Sports Performance's director of athlete development, and former NFL TE Leonard Stephens. In the morning, Lewis will fill out paperwork and take written tests, including the Wonderlic. In the afternoon, he will be weighed and measured; will be tested in the 40-yard dash, vertical jump and standing broad jump; and will perform agility and position drills for tight ends and linemen.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 19, 2006, 11:08:09 PM
I was watching the PSU/FSU Orange Bowl game today on DVD (first time I got to see the game) and I was not all that impressed with Bunkley. PSU was able to run directly up the gut without much difficulty, it reminds me too much of what the Eagles have been doing for the past few years. They need to get a fat boy in there next to Patterson.
BC pounded it down the middle on FSU all day as well. Bunkley doesn't do anything for me.
Interesting comments in that PFW article. I don't agree with all the scouts, but enjoyed reading the various opinions.
Scouts Inc details the players with character concerns:
QuoteWinston Justice, OT, USC (First)
Justice was arrested and sentenced to probation after pleading no contest to a misdemeanor count of solicitation of prostitution in July of 2003. Unfortunately, his problems with the law didn't end there. He was also charged with three misdemeanor counts of exhibiting a replica firearm in March of 2004. The court sentenced him to 60 days of electronic monitoring as well as three years probation, and the school's Student Affairs Department suspended him for two semesters as a result.
Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State (First)
An incident in June 2005 involving his girlfriend has raised some concerns about Sims' character. Police arrested him for domestic battery and resisting arrest without violence that day. He pleaded no contest to the reduced charge of disorderly conduct in August.
Jimmy Williams, DC, Virginia Tech (First)
There's no questioning Williams' upside. He is fast, strong and versatile enough to line up at safety in certain situations. The problem is he might never realize that awesome potential because he doesn't give his best effort on every snap. He is an arrogant player who relies on natural ability far too much.
Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State (First)
Holmes has avoided off-the-field problems, but his ego and faith in his natural ability have hindered his progress and raised concerns about his willingness to listen to coaching.
LenDale White, RB, USC (First)
There have always been questions about White's dedication to training and his ability to keep his weight down. A poor performance at the combine has only intensified those concerns.
Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia (First/Second)
Georgia suspended Pope for the Louisiana-Monroe game for violating team rules. There are also questions about his work ethic and willingness to get better.
Max Jean-Gillies, OG, Georgia (Second)
Jean-Giles has had problems keeping his weight down and there are questions about his dedication to training. There are also concerns he won't work hard once he signs a lucrative contract.
Claude Wroten, DT, LSU (Second)
Wroten's draft stock took a hit when he was pulled over for speeding and the police found marijuana in the car. While a felony charge of marijuana possession with the intent to distribute eventually was dismissed, he was not allowed to play in the Senior Bowl and teams will still have questions concerning the incident.
Brandon Marshall, WR, Central Florida (Third)
In 2004, the police arrested Marshall for trespassing and resisting arrest following an incident at a Denny's restaurant. Central Florida suspended him for a game as a result. In addition, Marshall's arrogance and penchant for taking plays off has hindered his progress.
Dusty Dvoracek, DT, Oklahoma (Third)
While he has since undergone counseling and hasn't been involved in any off-the-field problems, Dvoracek was involved in several alcohol-related incidents during his first four seasons at Oklahoma. In fact, Oklahoma dismissed him from the team after he started the first two games of the 2004 season. He returned to play for the Sooners in 2005.
Dee Webb, DC, Florida (Third)
Webb purchased four guns in February of 2006 and police confiscated all four as part of an investigation about gun shots fired into an adjacent apartment. While a Florida teammate admitted to firing the shots and there's no reason to believe Webb will be arrested at this point, police found several guns legally stored at Webb's apartment.
Demario Minter, DC, Georgia (Third)
Police arrested Minter and four other Georgia football players, charging them with marijuana possession in 2003. In exchange for getting the charges dropped, he performed one year of community service and was placed on probation for one year. He served a two-game suspension at the beginning of the season.
QuoteReggie McNeal, QB/WR, Texas A&M (Third/Fourth)
McNeal is a developmental prospect who needs to either show vast improvement at quarterback or move to receiver to make it in the NFL. That's why his ego and rumors about him openly voicing his opinion in the locker room are concerning.
A.J. Nicholson, OLB, Florida State (Third/Fourth)
Nicholson was charged with two separate alcohol-related offenses within a one-year span leading up to his senior season in 2005. One incident involved him resisting arrest after police tried to kick him out of a Tallahassee night club for disorderly conduct and drinking violations. The police had to subdue him with a Taser gun. In addition, police questioned Nicholson and Florida State suspended him for the 2006 Orange Bowl after a 19-year-old woman accused him of sexually assaulting her. However, charges were not filed.
Tim Jennings, DC, Georgia (Third/Fourth)
Jennings was one of the Georgia players involved in Minter's incident. In exchange for getting the charges dropped, he also performed one year of community service and was placed on one year's probation. He was suspended for the first two games of the 2003 season.
Bernard Pollard, DS, Purdue (Fourth)
Purdue suspended Pollard for three days during its 2005 training camp after he got into a verbal altercation with head coach Joe Tiller. There are concerns about his ability to control his emotions.
Anwar Phillips, DC, Penn State (Fourth)
In November 2002, a female student accused Phillips of assaulting her on campus and the school expelled him for two semesters. In addition, he was arraigned on charges of sexual assault and indecent aggravated assault. However, it's important to note that a jury acquitted Phillips of the charges in August of 2003.
Kedrick Golston, DT, Georgia (Fourth/Fifth)
While he was trying to break up a bar fight involving one of his teammates, Golston was arrested and charged with simple battery of a police officer, obstruction of a police officer and disorderly conduct in April of 2005. As a result, Georgia suspended him for the season opener.
Domata Peko, DT, Michigan State (Fifth)
Peko fled the scene when police officers found him urinating in public in May 2005. He later pled guilty to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
Adam Stenavich, OG, Michigan (Fifth)
In November 2004, police arrested Stenavich for disorderly conduct in his hometown in Wisconsin. He cursed and screamed at officers who were called to escort him out of a night club because an employee supposedly caught him urinating on the floor. Stenavich eventually paid a fine for the offense.
Reuben Houston, DC, Georgia Tech (Fifth)
Houston has been arrested for driving without a license twice, but those two infractions are overshadowed by a June 2005 arrest for his involvement in a California-based marijuana distribution operation. He pled guilty to charges of conspiracy and intent to distribute 92 pounds of marijuana following the arrest. In April 2006, he was sentenced to nine months probation.
Jeff Webb, WR, San Diego State (Fifth)
Unlike many other players on this list, Webb has stayed out of trouble off the field. However, character is still a concern because he seems overly arrogant and rubs some people the wrong way. Webb does not work very hard, takes plays off and does not like to work the middle of the field.
Marcus Vick, QB, Virginia Tech (Fifth/Sixth)
Perhaps no other player will be hurt by his past transgressions more than Vick. Virginia Tech suspended him for the James Madison game after he violated team policies in 2003. He was convicted on three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor in May of 2004, and Virginia Tech suspended him for the entire season. Vick was also charged with reckless driving and marijuana possession in July 2004.
In January 2006, Virginia Tech dismissed him from the team because of his character issues. Police arrested and charged him with three counts of brandishing a firearm a week after his dismissal. In addition, he has been cited for nine driving offenses since 2002. As if his off-the-field problems don't raise enough concerns, he stomped on the left calf of a Louisville defender during the 2006 Gator Bowl.
McKinley Boykin, DT, Mississippi (Sixth)
In March 2005, police arrested and charged Boykin with simple assault/domestic violence. The charges were dropped eventually because his girlfriend refused to pursue them. In addition, he has had some problems controlling his emotions on the field.
Brad Butler, OT, Virginia (Sixth/Seventh)
Concerns surrounding Butler's character shouldn't hurt him as much as many of the other players on this list. However, Virginia suspended him a game for throwing a questionable chop block during the Boston College game.
Chris Hawkins, DC, Marshall (Seventh)
Hawkins started his collegiate career at North Carolina, but a violation of team rules stemming from a fight with a teammates ended with his dismissal from the team. He then transferred to Marshall.
Melvin Oliver, DE, LSU (Seventh)
In June 2004, police arrested Oliver for simple assault after he got into an altercation with the mother of his son.
Larry Dibbles, DT, Texas-Austin (Seventh)
Police arrested Dibbles and three of his teammates for possession of marijuana in May 2003. The charges were dropped because the arresting officer performed an illegal traffic stop before searching the car where the marijuana was found.
Mike Imoh, RB, Virginia Tech (Seventh/FA)
Virginia Tech suspended Imoh for the first three games of the 2004 season after he pled no contest to three counts of contributing to the delinquency of minor in May of that year.
Manase Hopoi, DT, Washington (Seventh/FA)
Though charges were never filed, police arrested Hopoi for assaulting a security guard during a nightclub brawl in March 2004.
Albert Toeaina, OT, Tennessee (Seventh/FA)
There's a lot to like about Toeaina's aggressiveness, but he's had some problems controlling his emotions. Tennessee suspended him for the 2005 season finale after he cursed, spit and threw his helmet at a cameraman when the Volunteers played Vanderbilt.
Rashon Powers-Neal, FB, Notre Dame (Free Agent)
Powers-Neal pled guilty to a fourth-degree driving-under-influence charge during his senior year, and Notre Dame suspended him for most of the season consequently.
QuoteEagles | Team conducted pre-draft visit with J. Bloom
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:29:24 -0700
Mike Prisuta, of the Tribune-Review, reports the Philadelphia Eagles previously conducted a pre-draft visit with Colorado WR/KR Jeremy Bloom.
QuoteEagles | Team worked out N. Turnbull
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:58:22 -0700
The Miami Herald reports Florida International S Nick Turnbull has worked out for the Philadelphia Eagles.
anyone see kiper last night on the draft show say that this draft is loaded with return men that you can get in the mid to late rounds (led by bloom)
heck the Eagles took JR Reed in the 4th and Dexter Wynn in the 6th. Reed was a top KR and Wynn was a top PR in college that season.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2006, 08:25:49 AM
anyone see kiper last night on the draft show say that this draft is loaded with return men that you can get in the mid to late rounds (led by bloom)
Kiper is a moron with very disturbing hair.
hes also my hero
only 3 VT guys on that list, weird. i would have thought at least 7.
QuoteEagles | Team showing interest in Carfagno
Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:56:31 -0700
Mike Kuhns, of the Pocono Record, reports East Stroudsburg FB Anthony Carfagno is drawing interest from the Philadelphia Eagles. He had a private workout with the team April 13.
Phoenixville in the house!
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ABILENE CHRISTIAN junior defensive back/return man DANIEAL MANNING has reported to the NLS Staff that he will have had as many as ten private visits before the draft, including Atlanta, Cleveland, Houston, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Miami, NY Jets, Philadelphia, St. Louis and Tampa Bay... many are now expecting him to be drafted as high as the early-to-mid second round... his status started to rise at this year's East-West Shrine Game, as he showed his versatility as a defender and potential as a return man during the game week practices
The list is now fully updated. I had been slacking due to work these last two weeks or so. Some of the smaller school UDFA type guys I could not find links for. But there were quite a few additions to the list.
Domata Peko, DT, Michigan State (Fifth)
Peko fled the scene when police officers found him urinating in public in May 2005. He later pled guilty to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
Draft this guy! Much better stunt than Davenport's alleged dump. Just the thought of a 320 pound dude with hair like Gene Simons from the 70's running from the cops after taking a leak in public works for me.
Also love the guy from Tennesse that beat the shtein out of the cameraman.
QuoteEagles | Team held private workout Q. Porter
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:53:35 -0700
Steve Solloway, of the Portland Press Herald, reports the Philadelphia Eagles held a private, pre-draft workout with Boston College QB Quinton Porter. His agent is Kristen Kuliga, who also represents free agent QB Doug Flutie (Patriots).
QuoteEagles | Team visited with Koch
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:07:57 -0700
Steven M. Sipple, of the Journal Star, reports the Philadelphia Eagles recently traveled to Lincoln, Nebraska to visit with Nebraska P Sam Koch. Koch is hoping to be selected in the NFL Draft, but he could be signed as an undrafted free agent.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2006, 11:24:51 PM
QuoteEagles | Team held private workout Q. Porter
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:53:35 -0700
Steve Solloway, of the Portland Press Herald, reports the Philadelphia Eagles held a private, pre-draft workout with Boston College QB Quinton Porter. His agent is Kristen Kuliga, who also represents free agent QB Doug Flutie (Patriots).
Porter has some potential but has been terrible most of his time at BC. He lost his starting job twice, to 2 different QBs (most recently Matt Ryan of Penn Charter) during his time here. He'd be an OK guy to take a look at as an UDFA but if we use even a 7th round pick on him I'll throw my laptop out the window.
The last time you said we shouldn't get a BC guy we did.
Grant Adams was a UDFA last year.
Maybe they'll bring him back as a camp body this year to catch balls from Porter. ;D
Yeah tell me about it....I'm a huge self-admitted homer for BC players, so when I go out of my way to say we shouldn't get one there's something to it. Although like I said Porter has pretty good physical tools, most of his problems were due to atrocious decision-making so there's a chance he could be coached out of it (BC's OC and QB coach is none other than Dana Bible, so he obviously didn't get any help in that department at the Heights) and I wouldn't be too upset to see the Eagles pick him up as an UDFA, just PLEASE don't use a draft pick on him.
FWIW there's another BC guy that Eagles fans should have their eye on and that's safety Jamie Silva...he won't be entering the draft for another 2 years (hard for me to see him leaving early) but after watching him for the last year and a half he reminds me a shteinload of Dawk. Not the biggest or fastest guy, but he's a ridiculously hard hitter, has a knack for making big plays and creating turnovers, and was one of the defense's emotional leaders even last year as a sophomore. He won't be more than a mid-round pick if that since he's not the workout warrior type, but the kid is simply a baller.
QuoteEagles | E. Nelson impresses during workout
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:31:50 -0700
Aaron Wilson, of the Carroll County Times, reports Connecticut TE Ed Nelson impressed scouts with his hands during his workout. One of the teams in attendance was the Philadelphia Eagles.
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QuoteEagles | E. Nelson impresses during workout
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:31:50 -0700
Aaron Wilson, of the Carroll County Times, reports Connecticut TE Ed Nelson impressed scouts with his hands during his workout. One of the teams in attendance was the Philadelphia Eagles.
Will this guy actually get drafted or will he be a FA, I just can't see anybody using a pick on a guy that hasn't played football since his freshman year in highschool.
UDFA
pft said Wroten also tested positive for weed at the combine....
pat kirwan says that two players including a first rounder tested positive for drugs
or is that what youre talking about?
I dont know if Kirwan was referring to Wroten or not.
QuoteEagles | Team conducted pre-draft visit with McCann
Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:30:57 -0700
Chuck Finder, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports the Philadelphia Eagles conducted a pre-draft visit with West Virginia CB Dee McCann.
Eagles | Team works out S. Franklin
Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:17:52 -0700
Andy Walter, of the Delaware State News, reports Syracuse OL Steve Franklin worked out for the Philadelphia Eagles. He worked at both center and guard at Syracuse, but pro scouts seem to like him at center.
Quote from: MURP on April 25, 2006, 01:32:07 PM
pft said Wroten also tested positive for weed at the combine....
any college football player that tests positive at the combine, is in no doubt in my mind, a certifiable dumbass.
you get a thing in the mail when invited/register for the combine which tells you when you're going to be tested.
no player testing positive should even be considered within the 1st 3 rounds of the draft
Antaaj Hawthorne dropped to the 6th last year.
I remember people were blasting the Eagles for not picking him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2006, 07:44:21 PM
Antaaj Hawthorne dropped to the 6th last year.
I remember people were blasting the Eagles for not picking him.
He actually ended up being taken with a pick the Eagles had previously controlled. I think they used it in the trade-up to get Todd wost manneans in the 4th.
Eagles | Team conducted pre-draft visit with T. Lutui
Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:25:07 -0700
The Associated Press reports the Philadelphia Eagles conducted a pre-draft visit with USC OG Taitusi Lutui
Deuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!
(I wouldn't mind him in the 3rd, but only if the Eagles haven't already drafted OL.)
And Bloomsberg OT/OG (and Frankford High) Jahri Evans was on DNL tonight and said the Eagles worked him out as well.
Adam Caplan was on DNL and he said that the Eagles will also work out Yale QB Jeff Mroz privately after seeing him during basketball player Ed Nelson's workout
Some additions to the list. These are courtesy of goeagles99 from the EMB. He dug them up by reading through articles:
1. Brent Little - WR - Southern Illinois
2. Steve Franklin - OL - Syracuse
3. Devin Hester - CB/WR/RS - Miami
4. Brandon Guillory - DE - Louisiana-Monroe
5. Thomas Carroll - DE/LB - Miami
Hester is an intriguing prospect, but what position does he play for the Eagles other than return specialist.
I dont know. I don't even think the scouts know yet either. He would've been best off to stay in school and concentrate on one position and continue to polish his return skills as well. But he was dumb and came out too early.
He'd be a guy who has no other contribution other than a returner. And for that reason I wouldn't want him. I don't want him taking a roster spot away from a WR or CB who can actually play the position/.
I would like the Eagles to take one of these jack-of-all trades guys I really don't care who it is I just think Reid could get very creative with a guy like that. This is certainly the draft to do it since there is a plethra of those types.
Eagles | Team expressing interest in Osemwegie
Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:29:20 -0700
Brett Hait, of the Nashville City Paper, reports the Philadelphia Eagles have shown recent interest in Vanderbilt LB Moses Osemwegie. He expects to be a late-round pick Sunday, April 30, or receive free agent offers.
Eagles | Team interested in Culbert
Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:15:57 -0700
Carl Lukat, of the Loudon Times-Mirror, reports Frostburg State (Maryland) DE Kevin Culbert is drawing interest from the Philadelphia Eagles. He signed with agent Jeff Jankovich of Capital Football Associates. Culbert stands 6 feet, 4 inches and weighs 242 pounds. He has added 15 pounds of muscle mass since his final game at Frostburg. Culbert played defensive line in college but has been projected at linebacker in the NFL.
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Eagles | Team has pre-draft visit with H. Baskett
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:51:46 -0700
Jesse Wolfersberger, of the Portales News-Tribune, reports the Philadelphia Eagles conducted a pre-draft visit with New Mexico WR Hank Baskett. He's one of the taller receivers in this year's class. The biggest knock on Baskett is his speed. At the NFL Combine in February in Indianapolis, Baskett said he wanted to put those concerns to rest. "I told (scouts) that I would run in the 4.4s," Baskett said. "My first time, I ran a 4.50, then the next time I was 4.49." His agent is Jim Ivler.
CSN says the Eagles are trying to get to #8, but for Bunkley, not Ngata...
Good news. I'd rather have Bunkley anyway. Bunkley is my #1 want in the draft.
Let's get him and put this d-line issue to bed. With him our defense would be crazy next year.
Apparently Light Bulb Head just reported it too...
FWIW to add fuel to this fire, Eskin on WIP said he heard from people(not with the Eagles) that a lot of teams are backing away from Ngata because of him being overweight during workouts, and also during tape of him they saw him take plays off. He heard and believes Eagles are one of those teams that backed off.
Sikahema was on Jody Mac's show today and thinks the Eagles want Ngata....
Sikahema's punched one too many goal posts. Remember when he claimed last year that the TO was going to pull some kind of stunt?
What the hell has Vai ever reported correctly?
Just watched a Michigan game today and was not impressed with Gabe Watson. Guy bwas on the ground far too much ad only seemed to be disruptive on one occasion. To be fair he did command a double team a lot of the time but he judt didn't impress.
I would prefer Ngata but Bunkley would be a welcomed addition as well. I think the Eagles could really use an athletic fat body in the middle so Trotter can do his thing.
Give me one of those guys. I like them both.
If Tags calls out Ngata or Bunkley I am happy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2006, 07:35:54 PM
Give me one of those guys. I like them both.
If Tags calls out Ngata or Bunkley I am happy.
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Quote from: BigEd76 on April 27, 2006, 06:34:10 PM
CSN says the Eagles are trying to get to #8, but for Bunkley, not Ngata...
That fits their philosophy. I don't know if Bunkley is worth that kind of manuvering. Anyone can anyone here that has seen him play vouch for him.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 27, 2006, 06:34:10 PM
CSN says the Eagles are trying to get to #8, but for Bunkley, not Ngata...
they have all the inside info.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 27, 2006, 06:34:10 PM
CSN says the Eagles are trying to get to #8, but for Bunkley, not Ngata...
Eh.. OK. I'd take either one of them with a big ass smile on my face, but if we're going to go up that high, I'd rather they took Ngata. We need some young size in the interior.
they best not trade up for either of these two
where was i when bunkley or nagata became russel maryland...they are both nice players but hardly worth the mad scramble to trade up for...id rather trade back
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2006, 05:57:29 AM
they best not trade up for either of these two
where was i when bunkley or nagata became russel maryland...they are both nice players but hardly worth the mad scramble to trade up for...id rather trade back
Maryland was the number one overall pick, the highest any of these guys could possibly picked would be #5.
What do you folks think about Brandon Marshall?
I am watching him right now in the Hula bowl he looks impressive; making plays in traffic being extrememly physical off the jam and making plays all over the place.
QuoteEagles | Team showing some interest in Burton
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:38:27 -0700
The Cheektowaga Times reports Temple DT Antwon Burton (6-3, 315) said that he and his agent, Marty Magid, have received an inquiry of interest from the Philadelphia Eagles.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2006, 05:57:29 AM
they best not trade up for either of these two
Amen. Bunkley has value at #14. Ngata does too. I don't see either of them having value much above that.
The 3rd round is going to be more like round 2b this year. Losing that pick, and one of the 4ths, would really hurt the chances to shure up young talent in other areas.
I'd rather the Eagles trade up for Huff (a truly elite prospect) or stay at #14 and see how their board looks then. If they have a ton of guys bunched at the top, trade down, and get another 3rd rounder... Then, they'd have a late first, an early/mid 2nd, two 3rds, and 3 4ths. A lot of flexibility if they want to jump up later in the 2nd day to nab a talented guy who's falling more than their board would indicate.
I just see too many red flags (Ngata's weight and game intensity, and Bunkley's lack of multi-year production, history of injury, and value-inflating combine workout) to really want the Eagles to trade up for either of those guys.
Throw Justice in there, too, but I can't see the Eagles trading up for him.
The 3rd round is going to be more like round 2b this year. Losing that pick, and one of the 4ths, would really hurt the chances to shure up young talent in other areas.
I'd rather the Eagles trade up for Huff (a truly elite prospect) or stay at #14 and see how their board looks then. If they have a ton of guys bunched at the top, trade down, and get another 3rd rounder... Then, they'd have a late first, an early/mid 2nd, two 3rds, and 3 4ths. A lot of flexibility if they want to jump up later in the 2nd day to nab a talented guy who's falling more than their board would indicate.
pretty much my exact feelings on what should happen
my prediction is that one way or another they are going to end up with huff....some of that might be wishful thinking but im not exactly the most optomistic of eagle fans...a large part of me really believes it...it kind of would be that curve ball that andy has been known for...everyone pointing to DT-LB-WR and they grab a safety...but with dawk aging and lewis coming to the end of a contract it makes sense...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2006, 11:36:08 AM
my prediction is that one way or another they are going to end up with huff....some of that might be wishful thinking but im not exactly the most optomistic of eagle fans...but a large part of me really believes it...it kind of would be that curve ball that andy has been known for...everyone pointing to DT-LB-WR and they grab a safety...but with dawk aging and lewis coming to the end of a contract it makes sense...
you love to steal my shtein, don't you.
...and I would like to reiterate that while the current need for a WR might be greater than for a defensive back of any kind, Huff would not be able to be kept off the field. In fact, I could see the Eagles finding almost any excuse to not only have him playing in nickel and goalline packages, but even in most base packages.... whether that means that Lito is used more as the primary return man and nickel back (perfect positition for an athletic, risk-taking ballhawk), or whether it means that they line up often with Lewis over the TE playing a quasi-SLB.
Huff is an elite player. If I were making a draft "board", he'd be 3rd on it, behind Bush and Mario Williams.
all aboard the Huff train...
i'm already calling his sponsorship if they draft him, booyah
all aboard the Huff train...
huff is not my first choice to get...id rather trade down get extra picks and get moss....or stay at 14 not give up the second rounder and get sims...im saying if they do trade up it better be for huff...and its also what i think they are going to do
Huff is your 1st farging choice and you will like it beeyotch.
Huff is your 1st farging choice and you will like it beeyotch.
i made you and i can take you out just as easily
i'm self-aware, i cannot be stopped
I guess im the only person who doesnt see the point in trading up for Huff. I like Huff as a player, but trading up to get a safety in round 1? I dont like it. History has proven you can find very good safeties later on. Heck both Dawkins and Lewis were drafted at the end of the 2nd round.
just some other examples.
John Lynch - 3rd round
Bob Sanders - 2nd round
Rodney Harrison - 5th round
Adrian Wilson- 3rd round
Lawyer Milloy - 2nd round
Darren Sharper - 2nd round
huff is much higher rated safety than nagata and bunkley are DT's...in a general sense i agree with you murp...but we are talking about this draft in particular and my thing is IF they trade up it should be for a guy that has a chance to be special and huff is the only one of them i see that in
good point MURP... do you know how many safeties have been taken in the top 10 the past couple of years? i wonder how that list compares to the one you just put up.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 28, 2006, 12:19:28 PM
good point MURP... do you know how many safeties have been taken in the top 10 the past couple of years? i wonder how that list compares to the one you just put up.
Roy Williams and Sean Taylor.
well I agree that Huff is supposed to be a better S than Bunkley and Ngata are supposed to be DT's... but if the Eagles pass rush doesnt improve it doesnt matter who is back at safety.. it is going to be ugly. The DT position hasnt been upgraded whatsoever in FA so that leaves this draft. And getting a higher impact DT later in the draft is quite a risk if you choose to go S in round 1. And to trade up like that your gonna throw in your 2nd rounder too? That just doesnt work for me if im the GM.
Huff would allow the Eagles to blitz Dawkins, Lito, and Sheldon more.
it comes down to whether you think huff can be speial or not...you kinda said it youself...safeties can be gotten anywhere...therefore for one to go in the top ten then they must be pretty friggin good...whereas a defensive tackle could go higher than perhaps he should because of the position
there might not be another safety rated this high for another three four five years...bunkley and nagata are around every year
im not stuck on huff...for me it all comes down to giving up that second rounder....and if you do all that it better be for a complete stud...whatever the position
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 28, 2006, 12:23:37 PM
Huff would allow the Eagles to blitz Dawkins, Lito, and Sheldon more.
somehow I dont think the Eagles DB's blitzing a bit more solves the problem of a crappy pass rush. At best it would have a little impact in a small number of games.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2006, 12:27:03 PM
whereas a defensive tackle could go higher than perhaps he should because of the position
there might not be another safety rated this high for another three four five years...bunkley and nagata are around every year
the problem is that while Bunkley and Ngata might be around every year, the Eagles are not usually in a position to obtain them.
the Eagles are not usually in a position to obtain them.
but they arent now either...they have to give up at least a second to get them
if you are gonna give up picks like that...i want the player to at a minimum be the clear cut best player at his position...
Huff might also be the best CB in the draft, though. He is special.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 28, 2006, 12:54:05 PM
Huff might also be the best CB in the draft, though. He is special.
Huff might be the best player in the draft. I'm all aboard Sun Mo's Huff train baby.
They don't need to give up the 2nd-rd pick to get from #14 to #8. All it would take is the 3rd and the 4th....
Quote from: NGM on April 28, 2006, 01:03:12 PM
Huff might be the best player in the draft. I'm all aboard Sun Mo's Huff train baby.
welcome
Huff in the first round and then Gabe Watson in the second round wouldn't be a bad scenario to consider. Of course, if they traded up to get Huff, they'd likely have to give up their second rounder to do so.
My head hurts just thinking about it.
I don't like Watson, but Huff is so awesome, that I'd still consider that a great start to the draft.
You wouldn't like Watson in the second round?
I wouldn't want him in the first but I'd gladly take him @ # 46 if he's still around.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 28, 2006, 01:26:03 PM
You wouldn't like Watson in the second round?
I wouldn't want him in the first but I'd gladly take in @ # 46 (sic) if he's still around.
I don't like him at all. He's Corey Simon all over again effort-wise, but less likely to produce nearly as often even.
Yeah, I suppose so. He's definitely a boom or bust type dude.
I don't know if playing for a taskmaster like Jim Johnson would be the best thing for him either.
I think if they're looking at a DT in the 2nd+ rounds, they might look hard at Kyle Williams from LSU, because of the Pete Jenkins factor. I'd throw Wroten in there too, but I can't see them taking a guy that couldn't even get clean for the combine. What a farging idiot.
Huff is a HOFer IMO, but I'm with MURP. This team needs a DT.
i have a feeling wroten goes well into the 3rd round...maybe even the 4th
I'd take Wroten in the 4th even if we get a DT in the first.
He's a stud worth the risk that late.
If he actually tested positive at the combine, he's off the Eagles board completely.
I disagree with that strategy, but you can't blame them.
First 3 rounds, not worth the risk but if he falls to the 4th then I think he does. He was a very good DT in college and if he can cut out his off the field issues he has a chance to be part of a very special DT rotation if we can get Bunkley or Ngata.
well like has been mentioned a number of times, the Eagles Dline coach was working for LSU last year, so they should have a better read on Wroten than any other NFL team right now.
with three 4th rounders....positive test or not....if he makes it to the fourth the eagles should be charged with a crime if they dont take him
I disagree. A kid stupid enough to not find a way to get clean for the farging combine is not worth it.
Especially if they've already taken a DT.
I'd rather have Patterson/Walker/Rayburn/draft pick/Jasper than Patterson/Walker/draft pick/Wroten/RayburnORJasper.
more than likely two of their 4th rounders arent ever going to contribute anyway...so id easily take the huge upside of wroten over that...if he crasjed and burns oh well...it was 1/3 of your fourth rounds picks
FWIW, Macnow just said Maurice Stovall is a lock for the Eagles at pick 45.
Quote from: NGM on April 28, 2006, 06:08:14 PM
FWIW, Macnow just said Maurice Stovall is a lock for the Eagles at pick 45.
I agree with that, question is will he last that long? As of right now I say no.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 28, 2006, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: NGM on April 28, 2006, 06:08:14 PM
FWIW, Macnow just said Maurice Stovall is a lock for the Eagles at pick 45.
I agree with that, question is will he last that long? As of right now I say no.
If receivers start to slip I think he will be there, I also think he is a lock at that spot.
If Stovall is a lock at 45, that means the Eagles are definitely NOT going WR in the first. No chance.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 28, 2006, 09:32:49 PM
If Stovall is a lock at 45, that means the Eagles are definitely NOT going WR in the first. No chance.
No chance that they don't take a WR in the first round?
Jackson at 14, Stovall at 45. get your guns!
Quote from: MURP on April 29, 2006, 12:03:53 AM
Jackson at 14, Stovall at 45. get your guns!
That's right! We'll show Matt Millan how it's really done.
just for shteins and giggles...what would it take for the Eagles to get to the #2 spot for Bush?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 29, 2006, 09:24:48 AM
just for shteins and giggles...what would it take for the Eagles to get to the #2 spot for Bush?
according to the draft value chart, basically the Eagles entire draft. Ricky Williams style.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 29, 2006, 09:24:48 AM
just for shteins and giggles...what would it take for the Eagles to get to the #2 spot for Bush?
[Hypothetical-draft day-just-for-fun-question] The Aints come to us and say they'll trade Bush for our 1st, 2nd, and Westbrook. Do you do it?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 29, 2006, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 29, 2006, 09:24:48 AM
just for shteins and giggles...what would it take for the Eagles to get to the #2 spot for Bush?
[Hypothetical-draft day-just-for-fun-question] The Aints come to us and say they'll trade Bush for our 1st, 2nd, and Westbrook. Do you do it?
No way, especially if the Eagles are trying to win this year. You know what Westbrook brings to the table and he knows the offense inside and out. There is no guarantee that Bush will be better than Westy and for that price it isn't worth finding out.
I hear what you're saying, but Bush is the type of player who's so good he could immediately step in and be effective. Sort of like Cadillac Williams did with the Bucs last season.
my prediction on this thread...less than 2 of the players in any "The eagles spoke with __xxx___" posts will be drafted by the birds.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 29, 2006, 11:04:48 AM
my prediction on this thread...less than 2 of the players in any "The eagles spoke with __xxx___" posts will be drafted by the birds.
Agreed, one thing I'll always give Reid credit for is his poker face regarding the draft and F/A.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 29, 2006, 11:00:58 AM
I hear what you're saying, but Bush is the type of player who's so good he could immediately step in and be effective. Sort of like Cadillac Williams did with the Bucs last season.
After he got hurt, Cadillac kind of sucked it up last year.
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 29, 2006, 12:16:41 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 29, 2006, 11:00:58 AM
I hear what you're saying, but Bush is the type of player who's so good he could immediately step in and be effective. Sort of like Cadillac Williams did with the Bucs last season.
After he got hurt, Cadillac kind of sucked it up last year.
Gruden wore him down, the guy had too many carries too fast.
FB Jason Davis - signed as UDFA
WR Jason Avant - drafted in the 4th round
OG Max Jean-Gilles - drafted in the 4th round
OT Winston Justice - drafted in the 2nd round
DT Brodrick Bunkley - drafted in the 1st round
DT LaJuan Ramsey - drafted in the 6th round
WR Jeremy Bloom - drafted in the 5th round
So out of the 9 guys they drafted/signed 7 guys were on the list. The only ones who weren't on there was Chris Gocong and Omar Gaither.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2006, 01:45:12 AM
FB Jason Davis - signed as UDFA
WR Jason Avant - drafted in the 4th round
OG Max Jean-Gilles - drafted in the 4th round
OT Winston Justice - drafted in the 2nd round
DT Brodrick Bunkley - drafted in the 1st round
DT LaJuan Ramsey - drafted in the 6th round
WR Jeremy Bloom - drafted in the 5th round
So out of the 9 guys they drafted/signed 7 guys were on the list. The only ones who weren't on there was Chris Gocong and Omar Gaither.
This is one of the first years that you can say that, usually none of the guys are.