2015 Draft Thread

[QB Eagles]

I guess the question becomes how much are you willing to give up to move up in the first round for guy who is about 2/3 likely to be Christian Ponder or worse and 1/3 likely to be Ryan Tannehill or better. Especially when you see other people waiting until Round 3 and getting the occasional quality QB. Howie clearly doesn't have that much ballsack, although Chip probably would.

It's hard to remember but Vick and Foles also had a couple phantom seasons where they were in the All Pro conversation, which took a lot of heat off of finding a QB. It's not like they had Blaine Gabbert throwing for 5 years.

[SD]

A good GM identifies a QB flash in the pan and knows which ones are worth moving up for. He had 5 years to address the most important issue on the field. The Wilson draft blunder is irritating. If you identify a guy out of the first round you like that much you do what it takes to get him not sit there dumbfounded when another team beats you to the punch.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Fletcher Cox > Ryan Tannehill

[ice grillin you]

not defending howie but he was in charge of one draft not 5

[SD]

Fletcher Cox > Ryan Tannehill

You're on crack. Tannehill is a top 10 qb who's only going to get better. Fletcher is awesome but a franchise qb is 10x more valuable than a d lineman

[SD]

not defending howie but he was in charge of one draft not 5

He ran every draft from 2009-2014.

[ice grillin you]

no he didnt....he didnt even have the title gm in 2009 much less ran the draft....andy had complete control of player acquisition...saying howie ran drafts is like saying tom heckert ran drafts under andy which we all know isnt the case

one can actually argue that he didnt run any drafts...because chips finger prints are all over the two drafts where howie was gm and chip had no title but coach...but if you hoose not to believe that then at most howie ran two drafts...2013 and 14

[SD]

I'm too lazy to find it but either Reid or Banner said Howie ran the 2009 draft.

[ice grillin you]

i know lurie tried to portray howie having much more to do with drafts than he really did when he hired him....but it was obviously all revisionist history to try and validate the hire...especially because 2009 was a good one

but its not even a debate....andy assumed power when he ran modrack out and had it until the day he left...howie got the title because heckert left but andy was running the ship....shtein heckert left in the first place because he wanted to be the decision maker and thats something hed never get in philly with andy there...if there was ever a time when howie actually took that kind of power from andy it would have been earth shaking news in the offseason much like the chip takeover this offseason

[Rome]

http://philly.sbnation.com/philadelphia-eagles/2011/5/16/2172883/reviewing-the-first-2-drafts-of-eagles-gm-howie-roseman

[Rome]

By the way... I have to send that article to Tommy to have him autograph it.

That's how horrendous it is.

Like he was drunk on strawberry-flavored AIDS when he wrote it.

[ice grillin you]

lol...theres a differene btwn an idiotic website thinking the gm title means you are running the draft but its called a title for a reason

show me the article or the huge storyline of howie roseman taking away player personnel power from andy reid....i dont even know why im asking....cause again if it happend we all would remember when and where we were at the time as it would have been monsterous news that an accountant was moved ahead of the guy who had been ultra successful for over a decade...in fat andy probably would have quit had that ever happened

it was big enough news that howie got the title to begin with...if andy had actually been fired from his position as player personell director it would have been earth shaking

[QB Eagles]

i know lurie tried to portray howie having much more to do with drafts than he really did when he hired him....but it was obviously all revisionist history to try and validate the hire...especially because 2009 was a good one

It's just kind of a professional courtesy to bolster the GM, like pretending that the president of the US knows everything the 2 million people in the executive branch are working on, because he seems weak and uninformed otherwise. It's kind of ridiculous to imagine some guy who was counting beans the previous year making football decisions over Andy Reid's objections. Lately Lurie has been explicitly saying that only 2013 and 2014 were Howie.

By the way, am I the only one who doesn't have much use for any Tommy Lawlor columns? They read as if Spads spent more time watching film and less time learning how to write properly.

[Rome]

I know Tommy personally.  He's a really great guy, but yes, he's homerrific in his written work.  He's a salty motherfarger as a fan, though.

[phattymatty]

wow tommy made the big time. i didn't know that. i didn't read it because it sounds like it's awful and i always liked that dude.