2014 Phillies Thread - There's Always Next Year

[ice grillin you]

pat gillick

[MDS]

pat gillick is like la russa...just has the magic touch. he could be saber or un saber and it would work out for him and he would win.

if gillick didnt retire the phillies would easily have 2 or 3 extra titles. but such is life.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Amaro is a buffoon.

Pat Gillick is a better example buddy

[BigEd76]

Sandberg on frozen fans booing when he made a pitching change in the 9th: "Well, we have a heater in the dugout, so I wasn't that cold."

ha

[ice grillin you]

lol the people who actually go watch players um play have the magic touch

well thats kind of the point

[MDS]

the outdated mentality which amaro uses, which you love, which the red sox dont use, is the reason they valued "saves" so much. and thats why they signed papeldouche. saves are almost as meaningless as pitching decisions.

its also why they extended choke. because he has 120 RBIs per year! wow RBIs. thats a team stat, by the way.

but keep on keepin on.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I will never understand how an RBI can be said to not be an effective stat

You're driving in runs.

You score runs to win the game!

Youuuu playyy to win the game!

[MDS]

you cant score runs unless other people knock you in

you cant drive in runs unless other people are on base

team. stat.

[ice grillin you]

the outdated mentality which amaro uses, which you love, which the red sox dont use, is the reason they valued "saves" so much. and thats why they signed papeldouche. saves are almost as meaningless as pitching decisions.

its also why they extended choke. because he has 120 RBIs per year! wow RBIs. thats a team stat, by the way.

but keep on keepin on.

I knew paplebon was headed for disaster before the Phillies signed him.....you know how....cause I watched him pitch

what is the nerd stat for that called?

also whats the stat for knowing he was a fleshpophead who wouldn't care as much once he left boston.....you cant sabremetric things like personality and desire

I will never understand how an RBI can be said to not be an effective stat

You're driving in runs.

You score runs to win the game!

Youuuu playyy to win the game!

you PLAY to have a high vorp!

[Rome]

You didn't know dick.  Papelbon's last season in Boston was almost identical to the previous five.   And he had a career year in 2012 with the Phillies.  The guy is a five time all-star who routinely averages 35+ saves a year.  It turns out he wasn't nearly worth the contract they gave him.  That's a fact but you suggesting you knew it all along is just more of your usual "I told you so" bullshtein.  You took a guess that he wouldn't work out and you were right.   Yay IGY.  You actually got one wildly hyperbolic guess  right for a change.

[ice grillin you]

he was bad the second half of that season....and was losing steam off his fastball that whole year

keep pimping his signing though....whenever im down and having a rough time in my life I think of you and that deal and it immediately makes me smile

[Geowhizzer]

You didn't know dick.  Papelbon's last season in Boston was almost identical to the previous five.   And he had a career year in 2012 with the Phillies.  The guy is a five time all-star who routinely averages 35+ saves a year.  It turns out he wasn't nearly worth the contract they gave him.  That's a fact but you suggesting you knew it all along is just more of your usual "I told you so" bullshtein.  You took a guess that he wouldn't work out and you were right.   Yay IGY.  You actually got one wildly hyperbolic guess  right for a change.

Rome, word in 2011, before the Phils signed him, was that he was losing velocity.  It doesn't take a medical expert to make an educated guess that the deterioration would not only continue, but escalate.


This was my post at the news of his signing:

I'm worried about how Papelbon finished the season.  Not that he blew the last game, but how he lost velocity at the end of the year.  They'd better go over that shoulder and elbow with the proverbial fine-toothed comb.

And Igy followed with this:

this

plus just his overall makeup is suspect....hes a shell of himself and to give a guy like that four years (no closer should get four years) is ridiculous

phillies love stockpiling awful contracts apparently....wheres pat gillick when you need him

If the Phils had actually been close for 2012/2013 and needed Papelbon for a WS push, maybe Papelbon wouldn't have been as awful a signing.  But with Howard an empty shell of what he once was, the team graying more each game, and the rest of the NL East catching and passing the Phils, to dedicate the years and money to Papelbon was in error.  That money needed to go to the offense.

The window slammed shut when Howard's ACL exploded.  Most of us could see that.  Amaro couldn't... or wouldn't admit it.  And still won't.  At this point, he's trying to prop up a bloated 2008 Phillies corpse like his personal version of Weekend at Bernie's.

[LBIggle]

so who's the closer after the wacko blows his 3rd consecutive save or ends up on the DL.  rosenburg?  i can't wait.

[MDS]

also whats the stat for knowing he was a fleshpophead who wouldn't care as much once he left boston.....you cant sabremetric things like personality and desire

thanks coach

the reason a team like the rays can still win in that division with no money and in a joke of a city/stadium/market and its because of advanced stats and emphasizing the correct mindset and mentality when coming to the ballpark. that really is because of maddon. for both of those reasons, and more, they wouldnt touch papelbon with a 20 foot pole. but yea saves! amaro signs him. 

your close minded belief that "nerds" are just inputting number into a computer and letting the chips fall where they may is a gross over exaggeration and hyperbolic, but then again thats what you do and i love when it when you do this with republicans so i cant get mad now.

[MDS]

so who's the closer after the wacko blows his 3rd consecutive save or ends up on the DL.  rosenburg?  i can't wait.

first off who cares closers are stupid

second off basticho is the best relief pitcher they have, so he should get the most important outs, whatever inning those may fall in. specifically those against left handers. probably right handers too because the other guys in the pen stink.