2013 Training Camp/Preseason Thread

[QB Eagles]

when the dog murderer throws to the racist what am i supposed to do

think of how much you hate mcnabb?

[Tomahawk]

when the dog murderer throws to the racist what am i supposed to do

Boo the incompletion

[Sgt PSN]

Vick outplayed Foles, but I still believe in the long run this team is better off with Foles. I think he's more accurate and has a chance to be a pretty good qb. But I also think that Kelley will want his own draft pick in there at some point.

Won't say it's better off long term with Foles because his body of work is still too small, but everyone knows that Vick does not have a future with this franchise beyond this season....or at least he shouldn't have one. 

if i had my choice vick wouldnt even be on the team

Agreed. 

Crazy stupid thought - if Vick has a strong showing in extended action in PS week 3, what are the odds that Howie's on the phone shopping him around? 

Less crazy stupid thought - what are the odds that Howie is on the phone shopping Foles right now? 

but the qb for the long run is not on the roster right now...so it really doesnt matter who starts

I like Foles, but I agree.  Even though he's looked good in a couple of preseason games, I still have doubts about his ability to be the full time QB in this offense.  I'm hoping that when Vick inevitably gets hurt, that the Eagles are something like 2-3 or 3-5 and not 1-7 so that Foles gets to play some meaningful snaps in meaningful games before the Eagles are out of contention.  That would be the best time to really evaluate him and decide whether or not he has a place on this team, imo. 

[SunMo]

trading foles, given vick's history of injury and being awful in general, would be a terrible move

[Zanshin]

trading foles, given vick's history of injury and being awful in general, would be a terrible move

Well, that all depends on the compensation. For a 3rd, yeah, stupid. For a 1st or 2nd (which isn't realistic, but for shteins and giggles), you'd have to do it...because what are you really risking? This season? They're not doing anything anyway, and if they'd consider trading Foles, he wouldn't be in their future. I can't see how it would really matter, other than potentially helping the Eagles get a better draft pick.

[ice grillin you]

im in the minority it seems because so many people are high on foles but i just dont see anything in him...im not saying hes a bum but hes done nothing to show me hes anything other than a low level starter/good back up type qb

i tend to think the foles 'hype' has more to do with people not liking vick or knowing vick isnt the future than it does them thinking foles has all sorts of potential

as for trading foles not sure why youd do it simply because i dont think he has much value...a 4th rounder at best?....is that even worth it

[Zanshin]

Oh, totally. I didn't want Foles to start because I think he's a worldbeater. I wanted him to start because the book on him isn't completely written and he's not Vick. Like I said, I'm not married to the guy, but dumping him for a 3rd or less wouldn't be worth the trouble.

[ice grillin you]

id def take a third for him.....thats what you used on him

a 4th id think about it....anything else wouldnt be enough imo

fact is tho chip is trying to win right away and win big and like sunny said you dont trade your number 2 qb two weeks before the season starts with michael vick as your starter if you are worried about the number of wins you have this year

[Sgt PSN]

Oh, totally. I didn't want Foles to start because I think he's a worldbeater. I wanted him to start because the book on him isn't completely written and he's not Vick. Like I said, I'm not married to the guy, but dumping him for a 3rd or less wouldn't be worth the trouble.

This is where I stand too and why I got somewhat interested in the team last year after Vick got hurt.  He's the anti-Vick and to a certain extent, he's the anti-McNabb.  He's tall, has a high football IQ, he can make quick reads, and he gets rid of the ball quickly so he won't take a lot of sacks unless there's an absolute jailbreak at the LOS....which makes him the anti-Vick. 

He doesn't seem to get rattled easily, isn't scurred, takes control of the huddle, isn't afraid to fail, accepts blame with poor decisions or throws....which makes him the anti-McNabb. 

He's not going to be Peyton or Brady, but I think his ceiling is a bit higher than IGY does.  I think he could get into the top 12-15 range among starting QBs if everything falls into place (ie:  right coach, right system, right players around him).  Is Philly the right place for him?  Probably not.  I don't know if he's capable of running Chip's offense full time.....at least not the way Chip wants to run it.  But I'd honestly much rather watch Foles go out there every week and be terrible and know for sure than see Vick go out there and make 2 or 3 highlight plays for both teams.   

[BigEd76]

im all for whatever gets them a top two overall pick

I don't see how this team is gonna be worse than Jacksonville or Oakland

[ice grillin you]

oakland has a big disadvantage in schedule cause their division sucks

jacksonville i cant really make an argument against

but really tons can happen during an nfl season....most unpredictable in all of sports....now dont get me wrong they could surprise and win nine games too....but they have a legit shot at one of the top two picks if all goes well

their defense alone puts their ceiling at seven wins imo...throw in all the other questionmarks like vick horrendous depth on offense...terrible wide receivers...unknown coach and new system and you have all the ingrediants for implosion

granted you dont know what state a team is going to be in at a particular time but what games on their schedule do you feel real confidant they will win right now?

i have two....three tops

[Rome]

lol @ 2 wins.  seek help.

[BigEd76]

Pretty confident in a win
vs SD

Leaning win but wouldn't be surprised if they lost
vs KC

Could go either way
3 home divisional games, @TB

Leaning loss but wouldn't be surprised if they won
3 road divisional games, vs CHI, vs DET, vs AZ, @OAK

No shot
@GB, @MIN, @DEN

[ice grillin you]

lol @ 2 wins.  seek help.

easy has one confidant win.....less than me

[MDS]

they have no shot on the road against christian ponder?

EASY!