Around the NFL - 2013

[ice grillin you]

Martin was passing Incognito's VM around laughing about it when it happened.

yeah its pretty obvious that the vm was a joke....incognito being incognito

[phattymatty]

ha this is like the worst two pages i've ever read on here.

i tell my friends i'm going to kill them like every week.

i'm sure incognito is a horrible person but what kind of man (a huge man at that) gets bullied. sack up.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Yeah me and my buddies shtein talk like crazy

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/06/keyshawn-says-sapp-bullied-ahanotu/

[Don Ho]

For me it's more that Incognito has always been a punk.  Even without this incident the guy's a fleshpop.  I know he caused a lot of shtein on the Rams but now we're hearing he was a douche in college too.

I coach high school sports and the boys give each other massive amounts of crap.  95% can handle it and take it in stride.  There are a few who can't and honestly they almost set themselves up for it.  They whine and complain that they're being picked on (that goes over real well with their teammates).  They overreact and have pissy fits.  Those are the exact ones the rest of them try to rile up and start a fight with because they'll get the reaction.  Our team is full of every ethnicity you can think of - Tongan, Samoan, African American, Vietnamese, White, Filipino, Hawaiian, Chinese.  They get racial and play that card but the kids laugh it off and are the best of friends.  Like it or hate it, it's part of a teams makeup.  They're siblings who beat the shtein out of each other but at the end of the day they're family.

[Rome]

ha this is like the worst two pages i've ever read on here.

i tell my friends i'm going to kill them like every week.

i'm sure incognito is a horrible person but what kind of man (a huge man at that) gets bullied. sack up.

Do your friends insist on you paying for $15,000 trips to Vegas?

Wait.  Nevermind.

[ice grillin you]

I know he caused a lot of shtein on the Rams.

i dont know what he did on the rams but it sounds like you are intimating that hes ruined the dolphins in the sense that hes a lone wolf farging it up for everyone else....but to a man everyone in the dolphins locker room seems to love the guy....tannehill came out and said that if you asked jonathan martin a week ago who his best friend on the dolphins was he would have said incognito and that he has no idea why martin is doing this

there has not been a single even off the record quote from anyone in the dolphins organization defending martin

[SunMo]

would anyone be surprised if this got really weird into the territory of thees guys being gay and having a relationship and incognito breaking it up and martin losing his mind?

[ice grillin you]

i think its pretty clear martin is gay (like another former stanford guy kwame harris) and thats part of the reason he was known as the "big weird" on the team....i dont see the relationship part altho it wouldnt shock me.....if i had to guess i would say martin told someone perhaps incognito that he was going to come out (perhaps because another former stanford player jason collins was in the news for doing the same thing) and thats when the teasing began

[Sgt PSN]

Didn't the Rams cut him like 2 days after he got 2 personal foul penalties in the same game?  I'm sure that was just the straw that broke the camels back and not the only reason they let him go, but as far as I know they cut him for football related reasons, not because of any rifts in the locker room. 

This entire situation is what happens when grown men are treated like and allowed to act like kids their entire lives.  Why did Martin walk out in the first place?  Oh yeah, because a group of players invited him to sit at their table for lunch and then all stood up and walked away once he sat down.  OMG that's soooooo funny!  Child like actions get child like reactions and Martin throws a temper tantrum and walks out. 

I don't think the issue is nearly as racial as it's being portrayed, but it's really the end result to spoiling the crap out of these idiots for a few decades now really starting to rear it's ugly head.  And I think Martin might be bi-polar, or have some sort of mental/emotional imbalance or something. 

would anyone be surprised if this got really weird into the territory of thees guys being gay and having a relationship and incognito breaking it up and martin losing his mind?

Ha! 

And no. 

[Seabiscuit36]

Good point about the Stanford connection IGY.  There's definitely something fishy to the entire story now. 

[PhillyPhreak54]

I heard some clips of an interview Chris "Mad Dog" Russo did on his Sirius channel today with ex-Dolphin OL Lydon Murtha.

Murtha said that the $15k thing was overblown because this was Martin's cut for a trip that had been in the plans for months. Incognito and other vets had fronted the money to pay for the private jet, hotels and clubs and then each guy put his cut it. Martin decided he didn't want to go after everything had been booked and paid for.

He also said that Incognito and Martin were friends and that Richie looked out for him a lot. On the rookies paying for dinner he said that was an NFL rite of passage and that what guys paid was based on their contracts.

I didn't get to hear it all but there is definitely a groundswell of support for Incognito.

[PhillyPhreak54]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/07/david-cornwells-statement-regarding-jonathan-martin/

Quote from teammate: "We are going to run train on your sister. . . . She loves me. I am going to f–k her without a condom and c– in her c—."

[MDS]

i feel like there is some middle ground here....martin isnt the innocent saint hes trying to be but obviously some of this stuff is bad

[Diomedes]

holy shtein...you typed something reasonable

maybe you do have a soul

[SunMo]

http://deadspin.com/brandon-marshall-on-the-culture-of-the-nfl-is-brillia-1461052472?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Brandon Marshall has some good thoughts on what is going on with Martin and the NFL locker room culture.

In Tomahawk speak, Brandon Marshall is being a huge Hoyda