Phillies Offseason Thread 12-13

[Don Ho]

in rubes mind and in the mind of homers who sleep in their red pajamas (rome, j, don, sd, sunny, etc.) adams is a pretty good move.

Todd, that was a good one. 

[SD]

in rubes mind and in the mind of homers who sleep in their red pajamas (rome, j, don, sd, sunny, etc.) adams is a pretty good move. it gives them an 8th inning guy, which they didnt have last year.

in reality its burning 12 mil on fire and casting it off to sea. not a huge deal, but kind of questionable nonetheless.

i cant repeat myself enough: they arent good, they dont have talent, they cant win. so any small move they make is a big giant whatever because at this point its just about waiting out the storm until choke, utley, lee, etc. all go away.

Despite sucking ass for the majority of the season, missing their 2 best hitters, and having shtein for a bullpen, they still almost made the playoffs. You can't say "They're not talented enough". Any team that makes the playoffs in the MLB can get hot and win it all [see practically every team that's won the WS over the past decade]. I'd rather see them try to win and be entertaining than the alternative that you want which is the Pittsburgh Pirates. Why not try to make another run in the mean time while we wait for Choke/Utley etc. to "all go away". For years retarded fans like yourself have criticized them for not spending money, now that they do it's an issue?

[ice grillin you]

its easy to win when you stink....they have no chance to play a full season of good baseball.....especially now that they are a year older than the team that missed the playoffs last year

its time to recognize they are done....i dont know what it is with phillie fans that dont allow this to happen

[MDS]

you have 2 options

A. hope hallaDONE isnt DONE and reverts back to form. hope cliff lolololee reverts to form. hope for no injuries to any major player. hope the braves arent that good. maybe make the playoffs. hope to get lucky.

B. trade everyone, collect several AAA to ready for the show prospects and free up a funhole ton of money. so come 2014 you have several good young cheap players and can start buying up free agents in the 14 and 15 offseason. come 15 you are basically the 2006 phillies except this time youll spend money before your best players get old.

i take option B. its 1-2 years in the gutter but when you come out itll be good. where as now they need 1000000000000000 things to go right to just get in, then they need to get lucky and hot and win a world series. not easy.

[PhillyPhreak54]

you have 2 options

A. hope hallaDONE isnt DONE and reverts back to form. hope cliff lolololee reverts to form. hope for no injuries to any major player. hope the braves arent that good. maybe make the playoffs. hope to get lucky.

B. trade everyone, collect several AAA to ready for the show prospects and free up a funhole ton of money. so come 2014 you have several good young cheap players and can start buying up free agents in the 14 and 15 offseason. come 15 you are basically the 2006 phillies except this time youll spend money before your best players get old.

i take option B. its 1-2 years in the gutter but when you come out itll be good. where as now they need 1000000000000000 things to go right to just get in, then they need to get lucky and hot and win a world series. not easy.

"...no..."

Nothing is guaranteed by blowing it up in Plan B. You cannot definitively say "blow it up and it will be all good in 1-2". How reliable are some of these prospects? Two years ago Dom Brown looked like he would be the shtein.

[MDS]

thats what the 2 years are for

you stockpile many many prospects. you already have some yourself. play them all. record doesnt matter. fill in the holes in free agency.

they never would have had to do this but someone traded away all their good young players for roy oswalt and hunter pence so this is what you get

or by all means hope they win the world series this year. im sure itll happen.

[ice grillin you]

prospects are a small part of it....salary is the bigger piece...you gotta trade phifer...then suck for 2-3 years and let all these deals expire....if you trade for some talent in that time then have a billion bucks to sign some top fa's you might be in business

but letting this garbage play itself out is the worst possible scenario

[PhillyPhreak54]

thats what the 2 years are for

you stockpile many many prospects. you already have some yourself. play them all. record doesnt matter. fill in the holes in free agency.

they never would have had to do this but someone traded away all their good young players for roy oswalt and hunter pence so this is what you get

or by all means hope they win the world series this year. im sure itll happen.

Bring back Pat Gillick

[MDS]

really the downfall of the team was the stupid trade for halladay and trade of lee. if they dont do that they win the world series in 2010 and 2011 never happens.

no oswalt trade...no pence trade...probably all they would have is a bad lee contract (guilt trip after title) and the choke deal. so while you wait for that to go you have hof singelton to watch.

but no. NO. that cant farging happen can it.

[ice grillin you]

is there any chance they trade phifer this season....and i dont mean will they be willing to...cause if they suck in august they are gonna try....but will anyone take him?

him having a great year is by far the most important thing that can happen to this franchise in 2013

[MDS]

word from arlington is mike olt is on the market. so i mean....

if the phillies suck and lee and halladay are awesome it would ba a dream come true. hello 2 position players.

[ice grillin you]

if the phillies suck and lee and halladay are awesome it would ba a dream come true. hello 2 position players.

no chance something that good happens to this city

[MDS]

the obvious scenario is they are 2-3 out of the 5 spot on aug 31...utley and howard disintegrate in september because they are old and finished...but they do well enough that rube blames something miniscule (like this years homer thinking that it was all on not having an 8th inning guy) and they go after it again in 2013

[PhillyPhreak54]

I don't get the fascination with trading Lee...why?

[MDS]

because hes a guy making 20 million, not nearly worth it, and on a team going down down down down