2012 Off-Season Thread

[reese125]

You can bank on a 5-1 start next year where Reid gets an extension because no coach in the history of coaches can accomplish the great achievements of Andy Reid. Nobody.

Matter of fact I think I need Banner to try and sell me an Andy Reid again.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

No one said that. But I honestly think the entire team is broken and with some of the other talent in the NFC right now, it would make the most sense to blow it up and start fresh. I'm not just talking about the front office and Vick either. I'd trade guys like Killa Cole or Babin, Nnamdi, Maclin or Avant, etc and just change the entire culture.

But since that ain't happening, a new coach isn't really worth the change. This Eagles team ran the ball better and more frequently than before. Also, the number of true clock management and challenge snafus was very low. And even the biggest malcontent/contract situation problem smoothed over and has some mild hope for resolution. The players seem to love him, and he is the only person in the organization who can keep the Banner/Roseman combo honest and challenge them when the situation warrants.

[ice grillin you]

Also, the number of true clock management and challenge snafus was very low.

not really

the san fran game where up 23-3 he passed on eight of nine plays to open the second half particularly stands out but there were all kinds of problems all year...especially with wasted timeouts

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Also, the number of true clock management and challenge snafus was very low.

not really

the san fran game where up 23-3 he passed on eight of nine plays to open the second half particularly stands out but there were all kinds of problems all year...especially with wasted timeouts

Wasted timeouts are as much on the QB as the coach. McNabb and now Vick are not exactly what you'd call titans of intellect.

Les Bowen and Jonathan Tamari agree that if Reid was keeping his whole coaching staff, he would have already scheduled his time to say so. So that's something.

[SD]

I never said I thought this core was special or that they could/would win a Super Bowl. But I do believe that if they have any chance, Reid is the guy who can milk the most out of them.

With playmakers like Shady and DeSean on the team, a QB that can get the ball to them accurately and efficiently is the best option. Also, the team needs a completely revamped LB corps to compliment the wide nine. Can't tell the ends to get penetration at all costs when the LBs are incapable of shedding blocks and making plays.

Schefter just said that Andy will be the coach for as long as he wants to be. Anyone want to sell me your season tickets?

You're afraid of change. The biggest reason I want a new coach in here is because he could add a new perspective to what's a stale team. Maybe they take a step backwards with a new guy (your thought process), maybe they take a step forward (everyone else)...but the bottom line is they aren't winning the SB next season so why stay with the guy who is going to get them 10-6?

[SunMo]

the only thing i really buy is that next year is probably vick's last year because of his contract, so you might as well give Andy his last shot with the qb he tied himself to.  after next year, clean house, get a young qb, take your lumps and get better.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

the only thing i really buy is that next year is probably vick's last year because of his contract, so you might as well give Andy his last shot with the qb he tied himself to.  after next year, clean house, get a young qb, take your lumps and get better.

I love watching Vick play but think Andy Reid has a much better chance to win a Super Bowl as a head coach than Vick does as a QB. And Reid's chances are so-so at best.

So, yes. You're right.

[Rome]

Fearless prognostication: The Eagles trade the farm and go up and get RGIII.

[ice grillin you]

Also, the number of true clock management and challenge snafus was very low.

not really

the san fran game where up 23-3 he passed on eight of nine plays to open the second half particularly stands out but there were all kinds of problems all year...especially with wasted timeouts

Wasted timeouts are as much on the QB as the coach. McNabb and now Vick are not exactly what you'd call titans of intellect.

are jeff garcia and aj feely also stupid because nothing changed when they were in

there been one constant over the last 13 seasons and thats been horrible game day coaching...im not aware of any constants in that time period other than juany and andy...so since you are defending the head coach and/or passing blame for the game day coaching away from andy im guessing all this time its been the offensive line coaches fault?

I never said I thought this core was special or that they could/would win a Super Bowl. But I do believe that if they have any chance, Reid is the guy who can milk the most out of them.

With playmakers like Shady and DeSean on the team, a QB that can get the ball to them accurately and efficiently is the best option. Also, the team needs a completely revamped LB corps to compliment the wide nine. Can't tell the ends to get penetration at all costs when the LBs are incapable of shedding blocks and making plays.

Schefter just said that Andy will be the coach for as long as he wants to be. Anyone want to sell me your season tickets?

You're afraid of change. The biggest reason I want a new coach in here is because he could add a new perspective to what's a stale team. Maybe they take a step backwards with a new guy (your thought process), maybe they take a step forward (everyone else)...but the bottom line is they aren't winning the SB next season so why stay with the guy who is going to get them 10-6?

i dont think the homers are afraid change...i think what it is is that by admitting that the coach needs to go its an indictment on the team they love...if andy were to resign they would be fine but they cant bring themselves to say he should go

by changing coaches you are not ensuring that next year will be any better than last but that doesnt change that fact that there is not a single good reason to not fire reid right farging now

[phattymatty]

there been one constant over the last 13 seasons and thats been horrible game day coaching...im not aware of any constants in that time period other than juany and andy...so since you are defending the head coach and/or passing blame for the game day coaching away from andy im guessing all this time its been the offensive line coaches fault?

i can't fathom how any person who has watched this team over the last 10 years can disagree with this.

everyone was willing to put up with the horrible clock management and play calling for a lot longer than they/we should have just because the team was so bad for so long. plus they were winning for the most part.

but he has not learned how to adjust in the entire time he's been here...what's the point in continuing? he physically makes me sick to look at these days and it's ruining my eagles game enjoyment.

[reese125]

See how farged up it is going 4-0 down the stretch? Wow has it clouded all judgement.

[MDS]

It's only clouded FF's judgement and he's scared of not going 10-6.

Andy can't win a title. Keeping him around because the next guy could be an atrocity is a ridiculous way of thinking. You all have Reid Stockholm syndrome where winning 9 games and making the playoffs is comfort food. The safe route.

It's loser talk and belongs in Indianapolis and Carolina.

So Congrats, your guy gets another year. I hope try 14 is the magic one.

[charlie]

Saying Reid's skillset isn't good enough to win a superbowl is different than saying the eagles could win a superbowl with Reid as coach. Which is where I am at. Reid is not a great coach, but his formula for 10-6 or 11-5 gives them a chance to win a superbowl if they get hot at the right time. He gets 1 more shot to see if that formula is a success. I'm ok with that even though i think it's time for a change.

They have the opportunity to clean house if it doesn't work next season.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The 4-0 finish is a red herring.

[ice grillin you]

offseason quick poll question

how many significant free agents will the team sign this offseason....significant meaning that heading into camp they are the clear favorite to start at their position


A. zero
B. one
C. two
D. other