Danny Watkins, Philadelphia Eagle

Rome · April 30, 2011, 10:21:38 AM

Guards aren't important.

Right. Tell that to Mike Vick, who, at times last season needed to be peeled off the ground with a farging spatula.

Sgt PSN · April 30, 2011, 10:32:59 AM

I didn't agree with him on that. Stupid statement. But it's not very often that there's a guard with true 1st round talent. Other than Andrews, who are some other guards that are pro bowl caliber that have been drafted in the 1st round? I honestly can't think of any recently. Of course, other than guys drafted by the Eagles or the absolute top players in the draft, I pretty much data dump every draft in terms of what rounds players get drafted in so my draft memory isn't the most reliable.

Guards are important and the Eagles definitely need help on the line, especially the right side since Vick is a lefty. But if a guard isn't top 10, maybe top 15 pick worthy, then I doubt he's vastly superior to anyone that they could have picked up a little later.

ice grillin you · April 30, 2011, 10:39:52 AM

Quote from: shorebird on April 30, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
short of getting a guy with an off the charts pedigree and talent oozing i cant envision a scenario where id ever take a guard in the first round....they are so easy to get later on in the draft or free agency and most importantly they aren't very important in the overall big picture of wins and losses

How can you say that after watching the disaster that was the Eagles offensive line last year? The one given in this years draft was that the Eagles would, and should take a o-lineman in the first round. If lineman were so easy to get then the Eagles wouldn't have had Kolb in front of what amounted to a firing squad every time he lined up under center. The only quarterback who could have survived behind the Eagles o-line was Vick. You claim to know football, and I'll admit that a lot of times you have interesting insight, but to say that an offensive line "isn't that important in the overall big picture of wins and losses" is crazy. In todays game of wide open offenses, it's one of the most important part of any team, even more so than in the past. Saying crap like that makes me think that right now your just bitchin' to hear yourself bitch.

I don't know if Watkins will be any good, he has a chance to do so, but to bitch about the pick of offensive line in the first round after what we all saw last year is ridiculous and nothing more than the blind hatred of Banner inc. getting the best of you.

read the thread i named like seven average at best to zesty guards who have won super bowls in the last decade alone...and the eagles made the superbowl with artis hicks and steve scuillio sharing time at a guard spot

Quote from: SD on April 30, 2011, 09:17:57 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
not at all...i praise the team when they draft well and i could reel off players where i praised them....its just that my criticism stands out because most people are or wanna be homers so when i criticize its like "omg is he really saying that about the eagles?"...so the negativity stands out much more

theres also the fact that they have a zesty front office who is not very good at the drafting thing and their philosophy is 180 degrees from where mine is...so of course im going to dislike their picks more often than not...i dont shy away from who i want them to pick and i name those players every year before the eagle choose...so its not like if they picked one of my guys id all of a sudden do a reverse and rip them just to rip them....the fact is tho that i just dont agree with most of what they do on draft days

okay, I'll play along. Who would you have picked with the 23rd overall selection?

jimmy smith or cameron jordan and its not even close there

if you are going to go OL then i would have gone carimi....winston justice is serviceable as is mike mcglynn but hes also at a position that is a 1000 times more important so if you wanna upgrade i would have done that over guard....

i also would have traded up for prince but obviously i dont know the dynamics of the market so maybe that wasnt pissible altho its much more likely the eagles didnt like him enough...which is fair

ice grillin you · April 30, 2011, 10:51:39 AM

i should also note that if this guy can play center then im fine with the pick but i havent heard one thing yet that says he can or will....my major problem is if this guy was drafted to play right guard instead of mike mcglynn....i am going on the assumption that jj will be the center mcglynn moved back to his natural guard spot and heremans peters and justice returning to their spots....i just dont think an upgrade from mcglynn to watkins if its even an upgrade is worth a first round pick when your defense was an absolute train wreck at like five seven different spots

also my isuues with this pick would have softened somewhat if they didnt butcher their second round pick...because now where are the imporvments on defense coming from...and dont give me free agency we all know thats a crap shoot

Sgt PSN · April 30, 2011, 10:51:50 AM

lol @ pissible.

Sgt PSN · April 30, 2011, 10:54:07 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:51:39 AM
also my isuues with this pick would have softened somewhat if they didnt butcher their second round pick...because now where are the imporvments on defense coming from...

Agreed

Quoteand dont give me free agency we all know thats a crap shoot

If they get Awesome-o, it's all good. But he's about the only player available that can make a high impact.

Rome · April 30, 2011, 11:06:27 AM

I wanted a cornerback in the first round. Not sure how many more times I need to post that for you to get it through your thick skull, dook.

That said, who's to say that Jay-Kwan ain't the real deal? Just because Mel Kiper & Todd McFag didn't project him at 55 doesn't mean he won't be a player.

They needed safety help almost as badly as they need a RCB and they got one they THINK is going to be a player. It's like that every year. They know more than we do, so we're gonna have to just sit back and see how it turns out.

Diomedes · April 30, 2011, 11:12:26 AM

The Eagles are not keeping almost any player for more than five years, no matter how he plays. If they get five years of good play out of this guy and then dump him because he's too old/too expensive, whatever...the pick will still have to be called a success because the chances of getting that much production out of any particular pick is damn low.

SD · April 30, 2011, 11:15:10 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:39:52 AM

jimmy smith or cameron jordan and its not even close there

I'll make sure to bump this once Jimmy Smith pulls a Pacman Jones - who was another guy you wanted the Eagles to take a chance on. And Jordan reminds me of Abiamiri.

Rome · April 30, 2011, 12:43:34 PM

The brunette in the purple dress would get it.

PoopyfaceMcGee · April 30, 2011, 12:44:15 PM

She is probably 15.

Rome · April 30, 2011, 12:44:38 PM

And?

PoopyfaceMcGee · April 30, 2011, 12:47:08 PM

Rome's new home page?

ice grillin you · April 30, 2011, 09:49:05 PM

Quote from: SD on April 30, 2011, 11:15:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:39:52 AM

jimmy smith or cameron jordan and its not even close there

I'll make sure to bump this once Jimmy Smith pulls a Pacman Jones - who was another guy you wanted the Eagles to take a chance on. And Jordan reminds me of Abiamiri.

im sure you will because you care more about message board call outs than your actual teams...youve proved this with your thad young infatuation

if the hockey player is better than smitty then thats a good thing for the eagles and ill say so...end of story

but it doesnt change the fact that for right now i think its a bad pick

shorebird · May 01, 2011, 10:11:41 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: shorebird on April 30, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
short of getting a guy with an off the charts pedigree and talent oozing i cant envision a scenario where id ever take a guard in the first round....they are so easy to get later on in the draft or free agency and most importantly they aren't very important in the overall big picture of wins and losses

How can you say that after watching the disaster that was the Eagles offensive line last year? The one given in this years draft was that the Eagles would, and should take a o-lineman in the first round. If lineman were so easy to get then the Eagles wouldn't have had Kolb in front of what amounted to a firing squad every time he lined up under center. The only quarterback who could have survived behind the Eagles o-line was Vick. You claim to know football, and I'll admit that a lot of times you have interesting insight, but to say that an offensive line "isn't that important in the overall big picture of wins and losses" is crazy. In todays game of wide open offenses, it's one of the most important part of any team, even more so than in the past. Saying crap like that makes me think that right now your just bitchin' to hear yourself bitch.

I don't know if Watkins will be any good, he has a chance to do so, but to bitch about the pick of offensive line in the first round after what we all saw last year is ridiculous and nothing more than the blind hatred of Banner inc. getting the best of you.

read the thread i named like seven average at best to zesty guards who have won super bowls in the last decade alone...and the eagles made the superbowl with artis hicks and steve scuillio sharing time at a guard spot
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Ridiculous, every Superbowl winner in the last eight years has has a pro bowl guard, tackle, or center on it's roster, 'cecpt for maybe the Saints. Your using the Eagles making the Superbowl with Artis Hicks as reasoning towards your argument?? HA! Look at the team that beat them and ask Brady how he'd like his line without prennial pro bowler Mat Light.