Phillies 2010 Season Thread

SunMo · September 15, 2010, 08:47:20 AM

Tommy Hanson has better stuff than Roy Halladay

top five epic bad call

ice grillin you · September 15, 2010, 08:54:53 AM

he definitely does...he just hasnt harnessed it yet

rjs246 · September 15, 2010, 08:57:19 AM

Which means that he doesn't.

SunMo · September 15, 2010, 08:59:46 AM

he definitely doesn't. he's a mediocre 3/4 pitcher, nothing more. his fastball is as straight as an arrow

ice grillin you · September 15, 2010, 09:07:37 AM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 15, 2010, 08:57:19 AM
Which means that he doesn't.

incorrect....he has better stuff but hes not a better pitcher

strasburg probably has the best stuff in the history of baseball but he isnt the best pitcher ever

smeags · September 15, 2010, 09:09:51 AM

Quote

rjs246 · September 15, 2010, 09:13:06 AM

'Stuff' is another in a long line of undefinable and ultimately meaningless sports terms. Therefore I stand by my assertion that his 'stuff' is not better than Halladay's 'stuff'.

smeags · September 15, 2010, 09:15:46 AM

Yeah but the potential of hanson's stuff trumps hallady's proven stuff although hallady's proven stuff is actually better than hanson's potential. Stuff.

ice grillin you · September 15, 2010, 09:18:28 AM

stuff couldnt be more definable

just watch the games...stuff is recognizable within probably an innings worth of pitches

SD · September 15, 2010, 09:20:51 AM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 15, 2010, 08:57:19 AM
Which means that he doesn't.

Exactly

and Hamels is pitching as well as any pitcher in the league right now. When his tempo is up and he isn't giving batters time to think about what's coming next you know he's at the top of his game.

PoopyfaceMcGee · September 15, 2010, 09:24:54 AM

I remember Darren Dreifort always had great "stuff." And A.J. Burnett has always had some of the best "stuff."

Really exciting stuff.

SD · September 15, 2010, 09:25:23 AM

and don't forget Wayne Gomes had a lot of untapped potential

charlie · September 15, 2010, 09:25:48 AM

Quote from: rjs246 on September 15, 2010, 09:13:06 AM
'Stuff' is another in a long line of undefinable and ultimately meaningless sports terms. Therefore I stand by my assertion that his 'stuff' is not better than Halladay's 'stuff'.

stuff = man juice

ice grillin you · September 15, 2010, 09:29:16 AM

Quote from: FastFreddie on September 15, 2010, 09:24:54 AM
I remember Darren Dreifort always had great "stuff." And A.J. Burnett has always had some of the best "stuff."

Really exciting stuff.

aj burnett had ridiculous stuff...a poor mans strasburg...which really shows how insane his shtein is (or hopefully was)

SD · September 15, 2010, 09:37:21 AM

90% of the pitchers that make it to the big leagues have 'good to great stuff'. Even a guy like Kendrick looks great from time to time when his cutter is effective. If you're not consistent with it or are able to hone in on your good pitches when it matters most is what separates a guy like Halladay from a guy like Burnett.

Halladay is one of the top 3 pitchers in the major leagues. Bottom line.