FIRE HOWIE ROSEMAN!

[PhillyPhreak54]

Yeah I found that interesting as well, Sunny. He specifically mentioned the 2011 draft and sounded quite disgusted.

I also agree that he seemed to put it in Banner.

By the way - Banner is on record in saying that he is hiring a coach first in Cleveland and then the GM. He wants the coach to have a lot of say.

What that says to me is he wants the control and extended input

[Diomedes]

Intriguing, ha.  The more I read about this team, and sports in general, the more boring I find it.  There was a heyday there when i was all wrapped up in awesome articles about football players, and which coach said what and all that...but these days I read this crap and it feels like I'm participating in a different but equally pointless, better monetized, version of celebrity worship.

Power struggles within the Eagles organization, for farg sake, how demeaning.  I wish I didn't know or care about such petty crap.

When closes shop, I will stop watching football altogether.  Idiotic sport.

[SunMo]

so basically when igy dies of alcohol poisoning and 75% of the cf post content leaves?

[Diomedes]

ha. 

within ten days of his demise this forum would enjoy a flood of returning posters who left over the years solely because he and MDS are farging insufferbly hippoish.

this board dies when GF finally decides to stop devoting any of his time...until then most of us are doomed to keep talking to each other

[Eagaholic]

Wait, you're not suggesting people leave because they are not strong enough to take it, are you?

[Diomedes]

rather the opposite...those who put up with it are the weak ones

[ice grillin you]

total bs done to sell howie or in the least blame andy/banner for the recent terrible seasons

yup

we are supposed to believe that everyone who left is to blame and the one guy lurie kept is a genius

its all a ruse to try and excuse the fact that they have an accountant as a football talent evaluator who lurie for some reason gave a long term deal to prior to the season where the team he put together was a disgrace....a deal lurie doesnt want to get out from under so he kept howie

[Diomedes]

I'm thinking that Lurie is the real problem here.  At the end of the day, it's Lurie who thinks it's a good idea to do things like let his head coach hire his own ex felon drug addict son, or install the o-line coach as defensive co-ordinator.   He's enshrined non-football guys in football positions, supported an obviously flawed coach, and tolerated losing too easily.

Frankly, he has no reason to do otherwise.  He's printing money and farg you.

[ice grillin you]

i like him as an owner....hes tremendous in the community...eagles charities are the best in the nfl and their go green initiative is second to none...hes also a completely hands off owner which i like...

that said hes certainly not perfect...his hands off approach also caused him to keep andy far to long and emboldened him with far to much power and the howie thing is a borderline illegal act....but he does enough good that he deserves the benefit of the doubt....lets see what happens with this coaching search and the next couple of drafts before he gets crucified

[Diomedes]

He's liberal as hell, so I like that too.
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But Jesus man, you gotta wonder at the way the team is managed.  Who the fargs in charge?

[hbionic]

I love CF and it's never going anywhere. Right big brother?

[SD]

I forget who said it...maybe it was Banner, but someone in the organization said Howie ran the 2009 draft. It was when they were toting him to be the new GM. The Howie vote of confidence from Lurie today was a joke. If you're a GM in the NFL you have the say on personnel decisions.

[PhillyPhanInDC]

a deal lurie doesnt want to get out from under so he kept howie

I see your point, but I disagree for a simple reason. Any business owner/manager worth a shtein is very familiar with and constantly on the lookout for the sunk cost fallacy. If he feels Howie is useless or to blame for the teams failings, he knows the worst possible course is to continue to compensate or invest in him - previous costs (contracts, salaries, etc.) have no bearing on the decision that would need to be made as the money is gone, and the only thing left to waste is in the future.

This actually represents a worse-case scenario for me, as it entails Lurie believing completely that Howie farging Roseman is the guy that's going to build this thing into a SB winning organization.

Just saw this:

Lurie hints at past personnel disagreements between Roseman, Reid

Posted by Mike Florio on January 1, 2013, 10:11 AM EST

AP
Now that the dust has settled on a dizzying day of terminations and quotes and rumors and reports, it's time to search through the wreckage of quotes to look for hints at what may have happened in the past — and what could happen next.

In Philadelphia, comments from owner Jeffrey Lurie suggest that the termination of coach Andy Reid was preceded by a determination that G.M. Howie Roseman would or should have more authority over the construction of the roster.

Officially, Reid has had "final say" since the day he was hired, in 1999.  Unofficially, Roseman acquired more influence in 2012, based on Lurie's explanation regarding the manner in which Roseman's role in a 1-11 collapse over the final three fourths of the season will be assessed.

"I keep voluminous notes on talent evaluation on not just who we draft, but who is valued in each draft by each person that is in the organization that's working here," Lurie said.  "I came to the conclusion that the person that was providing by far the best talent evaluation in the building was Howie Roseman.  I decided to streamline the whole decision-making process for the 2012 draft and offseason and that's the first draft and offseason I hold Howie completely accountable for.  The mistakes that were made in the 2011 draft have little or nothing to do with Howie's evaluations and I think it was important for me to own up to the mistakes that were made and understand where they were coming from and it was awfully clear."

In other words, Roseman was trying to get Reid to make other decisions in past years, and hindsight was proving Roseman to be right.  And so if Roseman is accountable only for the 2012 draft, it means that Reid, was wisely deferring to the guy whom hindsight was proving to be right.

It doesn't mean that Roseman will now be in charge of the team.  "The way I've operated is the way I'm going to operate and that is the new head coach, whoever that is, will report directly to me and that's the only structure that I insist upon," Lurie said.  "As we go through the process, we have the flexibility to finalize personnel decisions and everything else that goes with the coach-G.M. relationship.  But my goal is to have the coach and the General Manager work hand-in-hand and work collaboratively and work in a very, very terrific way together."

In other words, the next coach of the Eagles may not be running the show the way Reid was for 14 years.  Or, possibly, for the first 13 of them.

I think this supports the argument that Lurie is fully onboard the "Howie is a great GM" bandwagon. One hopes it doesn't take him as long as it did with Reid to realize he's wrong in that assumption.

[ice grillin you]

hes on board with him because he signed him to a long term deal five minutes ago....hes not going to expose himself and admit to a horrible decision so soon after....if howie had a year or two left on his contract and lurie was pimping him this hard i see a modicum of truth in what hes saying....but he has to be all in...for one hes al hes got and again he has a brand new long term deal...of course hes going to suck his dick right now

sd is right...if you recall in 2010 when they hired howie as gm the defense was that he was secretly behind the 09 draft...and thats because it got mostly positive reviews....but now the last three years when he has the actual title of GM we are supposed to believe he had little to do with any of the failures

the whole thing is a crock

[hbionic]

Why weren't you guys out there during this season with the 'Fire Roseman' signs and chants?