The Defense

Displaced · August 21, 2009, 12:18:39 PM

Quote from: General_Failure on August 21, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
So, what value does a leader have for a bunch of shlubs who aren't very good, particularly one that's equally mediocre?

This is a point well taken. If the tallent and chemistry (meaning knowing where to be at all times) is not there you've got no chance no matter how strong your leadership is.

So far the defense looks pretty leaky, but we have to remember that these games are being played with missing starters, a new coordinator and no scheme. This defense has always depended on the scheme every bit as much as tallent simlply because of the way it is constructed.

There is a lot of tallent onthis defense Linebackers notwithstanding but it will probably be into the second quarter of the season before it realizes its full potential.

ice grillin you · August 21, 2009, 01:09:29 PM

Quote from: General_Failure on August 21, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
So, what value does a leader have for a bunch of shlubs who aren't very good, particularly one that's equally mediocre?

its hard to put a value on it...it could be the difference btwn having the 25th and 15th ranked defense...and maybe thats worth a win or two....and maybe an extra win is the difference btwn making or missing the playoffs...just sayin

maybe the defense straight implodes without those guys?

i mean no one can sit here and defnitively say how much if at all its going to matter...i just think it will to some extent

mpmcgraw · August 21, 2009, 02:10:54 PM

banana

Rome · August 21, 2009, 02:21:02 PM

I don't care how loved a guy is or how big a cheerleader he is in the locker room. If you can't frigging produce on the field you're all but worthless to the team.

And players want two things... (1) Money and (2) to win. And definitely in that order. That's why Dawkins is wearing orange and blue right now.

ice grillin you · August 21, 2009, 02:24:10 PM

Quote from: jihadist monk on August 21, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
banana

ahahahah...nice edit moron...what did you have to look up stats to see how stupid youre

OG post...

Quote from: jihadist monk on August 21, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
the fact that you think the difference btwn the 15th ranked defense and the 25th ranked defense is one win

lolololol

epic self ownage

thing is i wasnt even literally saying that anyway

rjs246 · August 21, 2009, 02:38:38 PM

I would argue that using the phrase 'epic self ownage' itself qualifies as epic self ownage.

mpmcgraw · August 21, 2009, 02:49:26 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2009, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 21, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
banana

ahahahah...nice edit moron...what did you have to look up stats to see how stupid youre

OG post...

Quote from: jihadist monk on August 21, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
the fact that you think the difference btwn the 15th ranked defense and the 25th ranked defense is one win

lolololol

epic self ownage

thing is i wasnt even literally saying that anyway

Actually i stand by that the difference would almost definitely be more than one win, but then I realized you use the retard stats to rank defenses which makes it redundant.

You also qualified your post with the last sentence anyway so it would just be another igy piss fest with no facts.

ice grillin you · August 21, 2009, 02:55:04 PM

more than one win?...its possible you could have more losses...theres no rhyme or reason to it...cleveland last year year was like 15th in pts allowed and had four wins...oakland and arizona were 25 or below i believe and had more wins

my point in even saying it was to illustrate that maybe not having the proper leadership costs them a win which would cost them the playoffs

hell it cost dallas the playoffs just last year

stop being douchey mr literal guy and think for once

The BIGSTUD · August 21, 2009, 04:22:27 PM

Leadership has been overblown for years here. People thought losing Troy Vincent and Taylor would hurt the leadership. People thought losing Trotter and Hugh Douglas would hurt the leadership. It never did.

Plus with all that amazing leadership, this team still hasn't won a Superbowl.

ice grillin you · August 21, 2009, 04:26:50 PM

lol @ bobby taylor being known for his leadership

ice grillin you · August 21, 2009, 04:32:12 PM

also remind me what year that was again when they lost trotter dawk and jim johnson all at the same time?

Diomedes · August 21, 2009, 06:23:38 PM

I agree...leadership is a bullshtein talking point. Leaders are eminently replaceable.

PhillyPhreak54 · August 22, 2009, 12:33:41 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2009, 04:26:50 PM
lol @ bobby taylor being known for his leadership

Yeah really...I loved Bobby T, except for his pathetic attempts at tackling, but he was about as quiet as a church mouse. Until he got salty about his contract.

Edit..found this cool ass pic

http://www.astropix.com/SPORTSPIX/FOOTBALL/TAYLOR.JPG

MURP · August 22, 2009, 12:43:50 AM

within the NFC East the Eagles secondary should be able to shut down if not at least contain every other team. Hopefully they can keep 8 up front against the Giants and Cowboys.

Gaints - nothing at WR
Cowboys- Williams who Samuel can handle 1v1
taterskin - bunch of names that cant match the hype.

the defense is a work in progress. anyone can say they suck now when the loss of JJ is fresh and the new D coordinator is feeling is way into the role. New players need to step up as well. Preseason is a joke and shouldnt be used as any indicator of anything. Lions went 4-0 in preseason and then went 0-16 in the regular season.

PhillyPhreak54 · August 22, 2009, 12:48:16 AM

I don't put any stock into records - but I do look at the fundamentals and how they play together and to me those things ain't lookin' too good. The excessive penalties, blown coverages, turnovers and all of that crap has to stop.

It is imperative that they are able to match up 1v1, and win the run stuffing battle with the front 4 because once they start having to run blitz or commit a safety over the top the TEs are going to eat their asses up.