Health Care Reform thread

[Sgt PSN]

that's because its the only possible end result to any conversation regarding politics and/or religion.

[Munson]

He said "thats a lie". I think it was the wrong place to blurt that out, but to act like the dems "respected" the office of the president when the last idiot was there is flat out being a hypocrite.

It was such a horrendous breach of decorum that even hard core right-wing lunatics distanced themselves from it.

Apparently it's okay for a handful of dems to boo Bush. But when one guy speaks out, it's a national disgrace.

The difference is these guys did it when Bush was introduced to speak, or when he would break for applause. Not smack in the middle of the guys speech to a joint session of congress.

Had any Dem stood up and screamed "You're a liar" at Bush after he said, "There are WMD in Iraq", the republicans would have been calling him unpatriotic and a traitor. Instead, this guy is being called a hero by a lot of right wingers. And no liberal is even close to saying he's a traitor, just saying that it was ridiculous to do so in the middle of the guys speech....not to mention Obama. Isn't. Lying.

[ice grillin you]

no the difference is that bush DID lie

as i said before id have no problem with the guy doing what he did if he was right....but hes completely 100% wrong....and lets just say obama signs a plan in three months that gives illegals health care...then boo him then but that isnt he case now...the plan in the house right now specifically forbids it....

again the issue here isnt decorum...thats some corny bullshtein...the issue here should be that the guy is a moron who had his facts completely backwards and just did this to put himself in the spotlight and ingraciate himself to his right wing nut job southern old white man constituency...hes a god now with the base of the party.....rush was going off on him yesterday FOR APOLOGIZING

[bowzer]

He said "thats a lie". I think it was the wrong place to blurt that out, but to act like the dems "respected" the office of the president when the last idiot was there is flat out being a hypocrite.

It was such a horrendous breach of decorum that even hard core right-wing lunatics distanced themselves from it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM


They were booing Bush as he speaked.  And they were booing him based on his thoughts about social security. 

Additionally, Obama was lying consistently throughout his speech.  Additionally, he was calling everyone who disagreed with hi a liar using scare tactics.  Wilson just called a spade a spade.  Wrong forum, but he was atleast telling the truth.

Apparently it's okay for a handful of dems to boo Bush. But when one guy speaks out, it's a national disgrace.

The difference is these guys did it when Bush was introduced to speak, or when he would break for applause. Not smack in the middle of the guys speech to a joint session of congress.

Had any Dem stood up and screamed "You're a liar" at Bush after he said, "There are WMD in Iraq", the republicans would have been calling him unpatriotic and a traitor. Instead, this guy is being called a hero by a lot of right wingers. And no liberal is even close to saying he's a traitor, just saying that it was ridiculous to do so in the middle of the guys speech....not to mention Obama. Isn't. Lying.

[rjs246]

Booing him as he speaked!? Dear god.

Quote fail.

[Susquehanna Birder]

as i said before id have no problem with the guy doing what he did if he was right....but hes completely 100% wrong....and lets just say obama signs a plan in three months that gives illegals health care...then boo him then but that isnt he case now...the plan in the house right now specifically forbids it....

I'm not sure how you can be so sure of that. The plan, or the one that I can find that has anything applicable to the fact, is almost impossible to read. If I remember correctly, I did come across a section that mentions the coverage applying only to legalized citizens, or something like that. But it also defers to other bills and documents to determine who or what falls under that legality. As I said before, if the administration is thinking of legalizing millions of previously illegal immigrants, then I guess under the letter of the law, you are correct. But it's pretty much a weasel tactic.

again the issue here isnt decorum...thats some corny bullshtein...the issue here should be that the guy is a moron who had his facts completely backwards and just did this to put himself in the spotlight and ingraciate himself to his right wing nut job southern old white man constituency...hes a god now with the base of the party.....rush was going off on him yesterday FOR APOLOGIZING

Corny or not, the decorum thing is how most people are reacting to it, though, and how the media spinners are playing it.

[Diomedes]

Decorum is a nice way to spin it if you want to downplay the disruption, I'll grant that.  I don't think what this petulant loser did was simply indelicate, I think it was a direct affront to the idea that we can and should work out our problems in a civilized way.  It doesn't surprise me in the least that vigy approves of this kind of behavior:  afterall we're talking about a guy who thinks it's great to "take it to the street" and sucker punch a trash talker after you've lost the game. 

[fansince61]

no the difference is that bush DID lie

as i said before id have no problem with the guy doing what he did if he was right....but hes completely 100% wrong....and lets just say obama signs a plan in three months that gives illegals health care...then boo him then but that isnt he case now...the plan in the house right now specifically forbids it....

Yes, the House plan says illegals will be banned from the plan.  But from what I've read and heard omitting the illegals is unconstitutional as you cannot make a law that applies to some people or group of people and not to others.  It might be part of the "equal protection clause"  Think of it like convicted felons do not loose all there constitutional guarantees.  Illegals in this country do not loose all their rights.  The are illegible for housing, welfare, education and healthcare in Ca. and probably most states.  So the plan could claim the illegals are exempt but the courts would reverse that claim and from what I've heard this is law school 101 stuff that our President learned this his first year at Harvard Law School.  At least that is the scuttlebut that's going around.

[ATV]

Aint no Negro gonna tell that nice man to be quiet. Damn libs did the same thing to Bush didn't they? And Bush aint no lie but never. Don't care none if the health bill says no illegals allowed - Don't trust 'em. Don't trust 'em no how.

[Diomedes]

farg off

[MDS]

bush shouldve got shot in the face, not booed. i hope he dies a slower, more painful death than munson.

[Munson]

Are you ever not thinking of me, sweetheart?


Alright, we can use the gas chamber again if you want.

[ATV]

South Carolina has a illustrious history of having other American heroes in Congress like Joe Wilson...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/interactives/southerners_091009/index.html?hpid=topnews

[Sgt PSN]

bush shouldve got shot in the face, not booed. i hope he dies a slower, more painful death than munson.

he should have gone hunting with cheney. 

[ice grillin you]

Decorum is a nice way to spin it if you want to downplay the disruption, I'll grant that.  I don't think what this petulant loser did was simply indelicate, I think it was a direct affront to the idea that we can and should work out our problems in a civilized way.  It doesn't surprise me in the least that vigy approves of this kind of behavior:  afterall we're talking about a guy who thinks it's great to "take it to the street" and sucker punch a trash talker after you've lost the game. 

hell...im all for the japanese way....suplexes off counter tops close your eyes and swing wildly brawls in their congress...somehow they survive and are less backwards than half our country