Health Care Reform thread

[ice grillin you]

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

[phillymic2000]

If that was in fact he goal, then he succeeded.  He's a hero to the Bush/Cheney/Palin sector of America now...I'd peg them at 30% of all Americans.

Well thats a shame then.

It's a problem when we hinge the argument on who is legal and who is not. I wonder if there isn't some plan afoot to legalize ALL of the previously illegal folks.

Thats been the Dem's plan all along

[bowzer]

The great things about liberals is the fact they think they are moderate.  And anyone who isn't liberal is a far right conservative.

And please don't preach to conservatives about respecting the office.  Bush was booed and jeered at his State of the Union Address.  Hypocrites..

Obama's speech was absolute horse shtein.  It was too long, and just full of bull shtein.  The bill isn't deficit neutral, that's impossible, and has been shown by numerous non-partisan organizations.  He's going to pay for the bill by eliminating the inefficiencies of Medicare, without cutting Medicare benefits at all?  If it's so easy, it would have already been done. 

Repulicans have offered alternatives.. such as tort reform and having health insurances available across state lines.  Why is Tort reform not being examined at all?  A trial basis??? Are you kidding me?  Why not try your bull shtein health proposal on a trial bias in one of your blue states. ...

[bowzer]

When Democrats used to quote the 46-47 million, they argued it didn't include illegals.  Now when the number mysteriously dropped to 30 million, than they argue that it did in fact include illegal immigrants.  Which one is it?

[Munson]

lol at crossing state lines as some sort of reform. There's such a thing as price leadership....and as long as health insurance companies know they can set prices so high and people will still shell out, they're not going to reduce the costs. It's situations like these where the government DOES have to step in.




Fun tidbit I learned the other day....from 2001-2010, the total cost of the wars in Afghan/Iraq will be about 1 Trillion dollars....while government officials are estimating that insuring all of the un-insured from 2010-2019 would cost about 1 trillion dollars.


I wonder what the better way to spend that trillion dollars is.

[bowzer]

lol at crossing state lines as some sort of reform. There's such a thing as price leadership....and as long as health insurance companies know they can set prices so high and people will still shell out, they're not going to reduce the costs. It's situations like these where the government DOES have to step in.




Fun tidbit I learned the other day....from 2001-2010, the total cost of the wars in Afghan/Iraq will be about 1 Trillion dollars....while government officials are estimating that insuring all of the un-insured from 2010-2019 would cost about 1 trillion dollars.


I wonder what the better way to spend that trillion dollars is.

Actually, more competition equals cheaper prices.  There's places where health insurance is offered at a hell of a lot cheaper prices. 

If this healtchare reform is so great, why are so many physicans, doctors, etc. vehemently opposed to it?

[ATV]

Good Maddow interview of Frank from last night including the subject of appeasing the unappeasable (i.e. Bipartisianship)...

http://crooksandliars.com/media/play/wmv/9816/31121

[bowzer]

Good Maddow interview of Frank from last night including the subject of appeasing the unappeasable (i.e. Bipartisianship)...

http://crooksandliars.com/media/play/wmv/9816/31121

Appeasing the Unappeasble??? What steps have they taken at bi-partsianship.  Obama hasn't had a meeting with Republicans about health care since APRIL.

[Munson]

lol at crossing state lines as some sort of reform. There's such a thing as price leadership....and as long as health insurance companies know they can set prices so high and people will still shell out, they're not going to reduce the costs. It's situations like these where the government DOES have to step in.




Fun tidbit I learned the other day....from 2001-2010, the total cost of the wars in Afghan/Iraq will be about 1 Trillion dollars....while government officials are estimating that insuring all of the un-insured from 2010-2019 would cost about 1 trillion dollars.


I wonder what the better way to spend that trillion dollars is.

Actually, more competition equals cheaper prices.  There's places where health insurance is offered at a hell of a lot cheaper prices. 

If this healtchare reform is so great, why are so many physicans, doctors, etc. vehemently opposed to it?

Yes, and what makes you think a company with lower prices but lesser care won't have to raise prices to compete with the bigger companies that offer more coverage for a "bargain", albeit more expensive price tag? Price leadership does not lower prices, it raises them.

ANd didn't you bring that up earlier in this thread only to have Rusty beat you down with links to the three biggest medical associations in America supporting either this bill and/or health care reform?

[Rome]

Appeasing the Unappeasble??? What steps have they taken at bi-partsianship.  Obama hasn't had a meeting with Republicans about health care since APRIL.

Maybe because they are completely against any sort of health care reform?

Nah - that's not it.  It's because Obama's a socialist muslim, that's it!

Clown.

[bowzer]

Everyone wants health care reform.. that's not being debated.
Obama offered up some ridiculous trial basis for Tort Reform on a state level.  Like I said, if this plan is so great, why not try it on a trial basis as well.
Also, how is going to make major cuts to Medicare without effecting Medicare benefits?

Sounded like a campaign speech... a lot of promises with no explanation.  But he did touch me with his mention of Ted Kennedy... 

[Rome]

Everyone wants health care reform?

Hilarious.

Absolutely hysterical.

[Sgt PSN]

jesus doesn't want health care reform - just the souls of those the current health care system fails. 

[phillymic2000]

You get my point.  The office of the President deserves respect, sure.  But more important even than showing respect to the office of the Presidency is honoring the idea of civilized debate, discussion, etc.  This dickback doesn't just insult the man at the podium and the office he holds, but like the gang of disruptive town hall goons who have been running roughshod over citizen's ability to speak their minds all summer, his behavior is an affront to civilized debate in general.

That he's become a champion for the right says everything you need to know about where the American conservatives are right now, and where they are going.

He said "thats a lie". I think it was the wrong place to blurt that out, but to act like the dems "respected" the office of the president when the last idiot was there is flat out being a hypocrite.

[phillymic2000]

jesus doesn't want health care reform - just the souls of those the current health care system fails. 

Word, and he can heal people too. He should start his own insurance company.