Health Care Reform thread

[ATV]

Canadians (the ones who weren't able to escape) talk about what a mistake their health care plan was...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQFX32Ed7ZQ&feature=player_embedded

[Susquehanna Birder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44NCvNDLfc

[Diomedes]

When he got to "people have earned their health care through employment" I closed the tab.  F that guy.

[rjs246]

While I don't like the WAY he makes his point, the dude is still in favor of reforming the system, he just doesn't agree with the current proposals. That's fair and the current incarnation is a joke so he has a point. Plus, assuming he's a Republican, his stance is about a light year ahead of some of the jerkoffs who are flat refusing to play ball on the topic.

[Diomedes]

His numbers were bullshtein and the rhetoric about earning healtch care is disgusting. 

[rjs246]

So we agree then. Excellent.

[Diomedes]

I'm with you on the point that at least the guy recognizes something has to be done, that the status quo is farged.  It's this rhetoric about the people who are currently covered having earned it, implying that those who don't haven't worked hard enough or some such repulsive thinking, that turns me off.

Millions of Americans work every day and can't afford health care.  Whether self employed, working two part time jobs, whatever..the idea that their counterparts in jobs at big companies and government somehow earned the luxury of health care makes me spitting mad.

[rjs246]

So we agree then. Excellent.

[Diomedes]

Die in a fire Son of Republican.

[rjs246]

Settle down, comrade.

[shorebird]

Typed 'healthcare reform AMA' into Google...

First three results:
AMA backs House health-care bill
AMA: Healthcare Reform Bill a 'Starting Point'
AMA backs House healthcare reform bill

The internet is hard.

Yes, the AMA supports health care reform, just not the bill as it is now. Which is the same way I feel. It's a start, but needs a lot of work. It won't pass as it is now. Just because someone doesn't agree with some parts of the bill as it is, doesn't mean that they aren't for health care reform.

[rjs246]

So we agree then. Excellent.

I'm pretty sure that the first and third link state that the AMA backs the House Bill...

Look, I don't like the bill as it is now. I don't think congressional Democrats should be tasked with writing it. But I also don't think that objecting to the bill simply because it includes a public option or because it was written by Democrats (which many are doing) or because it could politically 'break' the president are viable arguments. The bill is flawed but they aren't even voting on it yet. People are up in arms and urinating all over themselves over something that can't even be voted on yet.

My point is simply this. Sane people on both sides agree that the system needs to be reformed, but partisans are using it as some sort of wedge issue. Only political iceholes could take something that everyone agrees on and drive the country into this kind of misinformed fury over it. Wait until a bill is actually ready to be voted on before spouting off about how Obama is trying to ruin the country.

[shorebird]

http://www.youtube.com/v/G44NCvNDLfc&feature=player_embedded

"the notion is that it is this or nothing is the chairmans choice, the democrats choice that it is either this or nothing". 1:10

[ATV]

I'm very relieved to see that Obama has finally decided to put on the shtein kicking shoes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRVB4kq59Sw&feature=player_embedded

[rjs246]

farging stop it with youtube links you 15 year old spazz.