Health Care Reform thread

[shorebird]

Who is "your"?

farg you everyone knows what he meant except for you and your stupid grammar nazi bullshtein. Go suck Obama's cock you knob slobbin' asswhipe bitch.

[ice grillin you]

whoa!!

[shorebird]

farg atv, he should move overseas, the he could suck my long dong from Hong Kong.

[Sgt PSN]

tonight's not pool night, is it? 

[ice grillin you]

tonight's not pool night, is it? 

lol

[ATV]

Uhhh....his grammer was correct? I was asking him a question?

[PhillyGirl]

Who is "your"?

farg you everyone knows what he meant except for you and your stupid grammar nazi bullshtein. Go suck Obama's cock you knob slobbin' asswhipe bitch.

Holy shtein, are you serious with this post? I am not even a fan of ATV, but this was way over the line.

[rjs246]

With every post shorebird displays more and more exactly what's wrong with the political right. I challenge anyone to find a coherent and accurate point about healthcare reform in any of his posts. It's all affected anger at something that he clearly doesn't want to bather to understand.

[shorebird]

Who is "your"?

farg you everyone knows what he meant except for you and your stupid grammar nazi bullshtein. Go suck Obama's cock you knob slobbin' asswhipe bitch.

Holy shtein, are you serious with this post? I am not even a fan of ATV, but this was way over the line.

Ha! I say something ignorant to a taterskin fan and you say it's over the 'line'. But, somebody like cardtrader can come here and have his family and children slandered and ripped apart with some of the most juvenile and ignorant posting I've ever seen and no one says a word. Your so called 'line' seems to move foward and backward depending upon who is doing the posting.

[shorebird]

With every post shorebird displays more and more exactly what's wrong with the political right. I challenge anyone to find a coherent and accurate point about healthcare reform in any of his posts. It's all affected anger at something that he clearly doesn't want to bather to understand.

yeah....right.  I'm not rehashing it all over again. Most of the people here seem to not know whats in the bill, or even care. They just want it to pass, no matter what. Like igy said, it's not going to affect him, at least he doesn't think so, he wants it to pass so it will piss off all those old white racist republicans.

I understand what is in the bill a hell of a lot more than you seem too. The points I have brung up about how doctors will lose control over how they treat patients and what they treat them with fall of deaf ears. Excuses like 'thats already happenning with insurance companies' don't fly with me. It's simply not true.

I'm just glad that the majority opinion here is, in the real world, the fast growing minority.

You claim my comments are all affected anger. Wait until the bill doesn't make it through congress, then you'll see some 'affected anger'.

[shorebird]

By the way ATV, I was smashed. I'm sorry. I really did go over the line as far as I see it.

[ATV]

Apology isn't good enough. You truly hurt my feelings. I'm rooting for the taterskins again.

[rjs246]

yeah....right.  I'm not rehashing it all over again. Most of the people here seem to not know whats in the bill, or even care. They just want it to pass, no matter what. Like igy said, it's not going to affect him, at least he doesn't think so, he wants it to pass so it will piss off all those old white racist republicans.

I understand what is in the bill a hell of a lot more than you seem too. The points I have brung up about how doctors will lose control over how they treat patients and what they treat them with fall of deaf ears. Excuses like 'thats already happenning with insurance companies' don't fly with me. It's simply not true.

The points you 'brung' up are not accurate. Doctors won't lose the power of decision making. In fact, no doctors associations have even expressed this concern. Doctors' associations are more concerned with a lack of attention to malpractice reform. If this were a seriously thought out concern, rather than a politically expedient theory, don't you think the AMA would be up in arms over it?

And care rationing is already happening at the hands of insurance agencies whether that 'flies with you' or not. Like I said, focus on the fact that the current bill doesn't do anything to reduce the deficit. That argument is at least accurate and compelling. Lay off of the panicky 'oh no, my doctor won't be able to treat me!' nonsense.

[shorebird]

yeah....right.  I'm not rehashing it all over again. Most of the people here seem to not know whats in the bill, or even care. They just want it to pass, no matter what. Like igy said, it's not going to affect him, at least he doesn't think so, he wants it to pass so it will piss off all those old white racist republicans.

I understand what is in the bill a hell of a lot more than you seem too. The points I have brung up about how doctors will lose control over how they treat patients and what they treat them with fall of deaf ears. Excuses like 'thats already happenning with insurance companies' don't fly with me. It's simply not true.

The points you 'brung' up are not accurate. Doctors won't lose the power of decision making. In fact, no doctors associations have even expressed this concern. Doctors' associations are more concerned with a lack of attention to malpractice reform. If this were a seriously thought out concern, rather than a politically expedient theory, don't you think the AMA would be up in arms over it?

And care rationing is already happening at the hands of insurance agencies whether that 'flies with you' or not. Like I said, focus on the fact that the current bill doesn't do anything to reduce the deficit. That argument is at least accurate and compelling. Lay off of the panicky 'oh no, my doctor won't be able to treat me!' nonsense.

Right wing scare tactics?

Liberals have asked me, "But you're a doctor, why wouldn't you want healthcare to be provided to everybody?" This is the reason:

If the government cannot provide comprehensive and efficient healthcare on a small scale i.e. Medicare or Medicaid, how can it provide sufficiently for every American? Take a look at government healthcare so far. Medicare is a broken system. It was bankrupt by 1972. Since then physicians who accept Medicare have had to face ever-worsening financial garnishment on reimbursements forcing many doctors to stop treat Medicare patients altogether.

Primarily, elderly patients are seeing restrictions on the amount of care they can receive and with the aging of the baby boomers, demand will increase and this is only going to get worse.
Furthermore, the overwhelming financial expense of universal healthcare will eventually result in the some type of healthcare rationing. How is this possible? President Obama has already been laying down the framework for the Comparative Effectiveness Research (CER) council. This means that all your care is analyzed in a computer database to compare cost effectiveness against other types of care (I doubt my patients would like their medical history to be part of this national experiment). If at any point the computer says you're costing too much, the treatment options available to you will likely be diminished. You may even incur penalties if you engage in any sort of "risky" behavior such as overeating or riding a motorcycle.

[rjs246]

Um, ok, so you found A doctor who is against healthcare reform. Meanwhile the nation's major medical associations are all for it.

The exception does not prove anything.