Eagles 2009 Draft Thread

[Seabiscuit36]

[Feva]

[reese125]

please leave my best friend alone--thanks

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

He's not your best friend.  He's you.  Supposedly.

[reese125]

oh thats right

[Sgt PSN]

At least Andy is trying. It's seems he's heard what his qb  has said and has done his best to get the players he needs, at least in the draft.

Really though, he did the least he could to get new weapons. Trading for a proven receiver was too hard. Gonzalez was too old, even though that didn't stop a team with a much younger QB from grabbing him. Instead, Reid used a couple of draft picks in what is supposed to be a weak draft.

If this is Reid's best effort, he still fell short. I can give him credit for trying to keep McNabb off his back with the two new linemen, but I think we know how the season is going to play out.

this.  i love this draft because of the potential we could see in 3 or 4 years.  on paper it was a very solid draft and the eagles got good value with their picks.  however, this draft appears to be focused on setting up kevin farging kolb for success rather than giving your 10 year veteran $100mil franchise quarterback to best possible tools to go out and win now. 

mcnabb's is staying true to his usual form and saying and doing all the right things, but he's got to be farging pissed at reid and co for putting more effort into providing for kolb than they've ever put into providing for him. 

[ice grillin you]

The Eagles did a great job getting back to last year's level, offensively. The best you can say about them trying to improve is that they drafted a replacement for Cheggie.

exactly

they REPLACED two tackles and did a fine job in doing it but is the offensive line definitely going to be better than last year or even as good?

There was at least one study I saw that showed that line contiunity was almost as important as talent. Meaning that if you are going to change the line, it had better be for a big improvement in talent, otherwise learning to play with each other results in worse performance.

ike reese was saying exactly this yesterday

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

But seriously, how long did you iceholes want to try to keep Thomas and Runyan, then?  Runyan's not even healthy enough to play right now and may retire anyway.  Thomas's new team has so much confidence in him that they drafted OT's with both of their first two picks.

Are you also suggesting that Nick Cole should be starting ahead of Andrews because he missed last season?

I mean, you're simply not making any sense.  The line has to learn to play as a group and it doesn't always work out?  No shtein!  I guess we should keep them all FOREVAR!

[ice grillin you]

lolololol

what are you babbling about?

why dont actually read what people write before spazzing out

[Sgt PSN]

the continuity thing with the o-line is def a much bigger concern than their overall talent.  my preference for this offseason would have been to sign andrews, re-sign tra, trade the peters 1st rounder + 3rd or 4th rounder for Boldin, draft macklin at 19.  

they'd only be replacing 1 piece in the o-line now instead of 2 and next year they could look at addressing left tackle.  

that's exactly how i would have done it.  and it would have worked perfectly and the eagles would win the next 10 super bowls because of it.  but that damn jeff lurie won't return my calls.  

[Kenzinger]

I'll give you Gonzalez, but there were no proven receivers available or they would have been traded. The Giants were smitten over Edwards and they couldn't find a way to get him with 3 picks they had on the first day. Boldin obviously wasn't available, because 3 or 4 teams were hot for him and no one could strike a deal. The Bengals flat out said Chad Johnson is not get traded and to shut up about it.

Not true.  A 1st round pick (with other considerations) would have gotten Edwards out of Cleveland.  The Giants didn't get him because they refused to give more than a 2nd and 5th.  A 1st would have gotten Chad out of Cincinnati as well, although he's not worth that price.  Even though the Cards would have had to been blown away with an offer for Boldin... a 1st round pick would have gone a long way in doing so.

If the Eagles were serious about going after any of those guys, that 1st round pick they used on Maclin would have definitely landed Braylon or Chad or possibly Boldin.

The Gonzalez thing is just inexcusable.

I'd have considered giving up the 1.21 for Edwards or Boldin but I'm not sure either would be such a terrific deal. Edwards really only had one truly 'great' year and he drops a lot of passes. I'm not entirely sure the Cardinals wanted to trade Boldin at all and he's unhappy with his contract.

If either of these moves were no-brainers, why did the Giants end up with Hakeen Nicks? I'd argue that Eli Manning needs to be surrounded by elite talent more than Donovan McNabb.

I wouldn't even consider giving up a first for Chad Johnson. I'd have gladly given the Bengals our 2nd rounder for him.

[Magical_Retard]

I'll give you Gonzalez, but there were no proven receivers available or they would have been traded. The Giants were smitten over Edwards and they couldn't find a way to get him with 3 picks they had on the first day. Boldin obviously wasn't available, because 3 or 4 teams were hot for him and no one could strike a deal. The Bengals flat out said Chad Johnson is not get traded and to shut up about it.

Not true.  A 1st round pick (with other considerations) would have gotten Edwards out of Cleveland.  The Giants didn't get him because they refused to give more than a 2nd and 5th.  A 1st would have gotten Chad out of Cincinnati as well, although he's not worth that price.  Even though the Cards would have had to been blown away with an offer for Boldin... a 1st round pick would have gone a long way in doing so.

If the Eagles were serious about going after any of those guys, that 1st round pick they used on Maclin would have definitely landed Braylon or Chad or possibly Boldin.

The Gonzalez thing is just inexcusable.

I'd have considered giving up the 1.21 for Edwards or Boldin but I'm not sure either would be such a terrific deal. Edwards really only had one truly 'great' year and he drops a lot of passes. I'm not entirely sure the Cardinals wanted to trade Boldin at all and he's unhappy with his contract.

If either of these moves were no-brainers, why did the Giants end up with Hakeen Nicks? I'd argue that Eli Manning needs to be surrounded by elite talent more than Donovan McNabb.

I wouldn't even consider giving up a first for Chad Johnson. I'd have gladly given the Bengals our 2nd rounder for him.

Its because teams, front offices, and even the fans have bought into this whole of the myth being the only way to build a team. Its true for teams building from the ground up but teams like the Giants and Eagles who are potentially 1 or 2 players away from being serious SB contenders it makes no sense to draft a rookie for the position in need and hope he contributes right away or develops 3 yrs down the road.

Now the Giants can afford to do this because they just won the Superbowl and Eli is relatively young. McNabb will not be here for another 3-4 seasons. Westbrook will not be here. So if Maclin and McCoy take any time to develop/blossom, they will only be weapons for Kolb. Its really sickening that they rather develop guys when the franchise QB, and the best chance to win now, is aging and will not be here much longer. I would have loved this draft if it was 5 seasons ago. Now its the 2nd best option considering how stubborn they are with draft picks and only acquiring players if they can screw over the other team.

Cardinals lowered the price to a 2nd round pick so I am pretty sure the #21 pick would have floored them into trading Boldin. So what he wants 10 million a year? He is worth every penny of it, is only 29 (I dont care about 10 yrs from now and how good Maclin MIGHT BE), and fits perfectly with the team because they already have the speedy stretch the field guys.

At the end of the day Reid and company decided to take a chance on a rookie WR, who they have been 9 out 10 times terrible at evaluating, who 50/50 may be a bust...to be the answer for a pass happy team that struggles and stalls in the redzone.

My offseason plan would have been to sign Stacy, resign Tra, pick up either Winslow or Gonzo, and if you can not get one of them to def do everything possible to pick up Ocho, Boldin, or Edwards. The team is so young across the board, besides McNabb and Westbrook, and so far under the cap it does not hurt to pick up veterans and pay them top dollars. They would not be mortgaging the future.

[Seabiscuit36]

From everything i've read and seen, the cards were dicking everyone around over a trade. 

[Eagaholic]

Jeff Fisher basically said this and it is pretty rare for a HC to comment like that, especially a guy like him

[ice grillin you]

its just a built in excuse for the teams that didnt get him

teams dont spends weeks entertaining offers for the fun of it especially leading up to the draft....they have more important things to do

now the price of draft picks and his contract maybe have been to steep for anyone to pay but they definitely were shopping him

not every player in every sport thats put on the market gets moved