U.S.A. tortures. Go ahead, deny it Bush lovers.

[mussa]

I feel sorry for people who are so scared of this country being attacked that they will sacrifice all other common sense and belief for the sake of 'being protected'. We are a geographically isolated country with the largest and most sophisticated military in the world. Torture won't make us any safer and if you require some sort of assurance that you will be safe from all danger you need to wake up and start living in the real world because that shtein ain't ever gonna happen.

spot farging on

[Butchers Bill]

Arguing with a guy like Butcher's Bill will never get you anywhere. He's not going to read anything typed here and have an epiphany and say to himself, "Wow, I understand why it's wrong!".

He most likely believes that his conservatism makes him more convicted to keeping America the same than someone who leans more to the center or left. The truth is his right-wing belief that torture is justified does more to damage the true image of America, what it was intended to be by those who created it, and most importantly, those who have fought and died to protect the ideas they imparted in it's creation.

And elitist thinking like yours, where you believe you are an "intellectual" by assuming everything you say is correct and everything anyone else says is wrong, certainly gets us places doesn't it?  If you had half the intellectual capacity you believe you have you would see that we actually agree that 1) torture is wrong and the US shouldn't be doing it, and 2) The perception that the US "tortures" hurts all American interests.  We disagree on some basic tenets as far was what constitutes "torture" and perhaps whether or not it should be used at all but our opinions aren't as different as you think.

Twisting sentences and words or others into what you want to hear rather than what they actually mean doesn't make your points more valid. 

[rjs246]

PPinDC is the winner of this thread. He said what I tried to but could not. Torture is un-American and it should make everyone's skin crawl to know that we sanctioned it.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Amen.  Now tell me what does and doesn't constitute torture, and we'll call it a day.

[rjs246]

Having conversations on this board = torture.
Shoving my face in between Megan Fox's asscheeks != torture.

It's a subtle, but important, difference.

[Sgt PSN]

Having conversations on this board = torture.
Shoving my face in between Megan Fox's asscheeks != torture.

It's a subtle, but important, difference.

the only difference i see is that in the former, you are being tortured and in the latter, megan fox is being tortured. 

[rjs246]

She likes the assplay. Bet.

[Seabiscuit36]

She likes the assplay. Bet.

oh man... i need new pants

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Shoving my face in between Megan Fox's asscheeks != torture.

What if she ate asparagus with hot sauce for lunch, and washed it down with a half gallon of whole milk?

[Butchers Bill]

Having conversations on this board = torture.
Shoving my face in between Megan Fox's asscheeks != torture.

It's a subtle, but important, difference.

Now see, if it were Andy Reids ass cheeks a few hours after a Chinese buffet we would have some common ground.

[fansince61]

Amen.  Now tell me what does and doesn't constitute torture, and we'll call it a day.

I have a hard time understanding this thread.  I'm just not sensitive enough

IMO... The important thing to know prior to interrogating someone is simple:  Is this individual is a high priority, informed enemy combatant and is he in all likelyhood in possession(sp?) of information that will save American, allies or friendlies lives (like KSM).  If he fits the above description bring out the long handle pruning sheers and stop wasting time.  If not just lock him up.

This shouldn't be hard to figure out.  They torture our guys and cuts there heads off on tv for fun.  We aren't gonna kill any body.  It's just going to take them longer to figure out how to play the piano

[ice grillin you]

except torturing has been proven to not work...and often does the opposite by getting false info

lets be honest anyone that is down with torturing is all about revenge and trying to be a john wayne big bad american type..which is why any conversation with a person who is pro torture will always include something about americans being beheaded...they dont give a rats ass about intelligence or a nuclear bomb going off because they know torture doesnt stop that and most likely never will...they are out for blood for people who have already been killed by terrorists

it really isnt any different from people who live to puff their chest out about capital punishment and "frying people" who commit crimes

[Sgt PSN]

perhaps it's hypocritical but even though i'm against torture, i totally support the death penalty. 

[rjs246]

perhaps it's hypocritical but even though i'm against torture, i totally support the death penalty. 

It is hypocritical and I am with you 100%.

[Sgt PSN]

you have a crush on me.  that's so cute.