McNabb, Feeley, or Kolb

Magical_Retard · November 29, 2007, 08:12:15 AM

so you started to sour on mcnabb in 04? when he had his best season and the team went to the superbowl?

more proof that you and your type care more about what he says or how he acts on the sideline then how he performs.

ice grillin you · November 29, 2007, 08:15:56 AM

Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 29, 2007, 08:12:15 AM
so you started to sour on mcnabb in 04? when he had his best season and the team went to the superbowl?

more proof that you and your type care more about what he says or how he acts on the sideline then how he performs.

personality and heart often effect how you perform on the field....especially in the tough times..anyone can perform when things are going perfect...but its the true champions who buck up in the toughest situations

Magical_Retard · November 29, 2007, 08:22:02 AM

right so the anyway mcnabb could ever disprove that is by winning the superbowl.

so why were you still in like with him b4 04? he was just as corny then.

i just find it funny that when he had his best season and the team had its best season is when you started to dislike him. and here i thought that would be the season even the most critical fan would be ok with mcnabb's performance.

ice grillin you · November 29, 2007, 08:27:32 AM

Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 29, 2007, 08:22:02 AM
right so the anyway mcnabb could ever disprove that is by winning the superbowl.

so why were you still in like with him b4 04? he was just as corny then.

i just find it funny that when he had his best season and the team had its best season is when you started to dislike him. and here i thought that would be the season even the most critical fan would be ok with mcnabb's performance.

the superbowl or more than one of the several dozen nfcc games he was in

hes been corny since day one...thats not a reason to dislike a guy as a player...but it definitely shows weakness...i cant really think of one great qb that wouldnt stab you in the heart if you were bewteen then and the lombardi trophy...mcnabb just doesnt have that in him

for the record i didnt start to dislike him in 04 i just started seeing more serious cracks in his armor...even as we stand right now i dont dislike the guy...but he is what he is and you gotta call him on it

SunMo · November 29, 2007, 09:00:26 AM

i'm sick of the passive aggressive routine...

Quote"People don't remember what I've done here, what I've been able to accomplish here," he said. "Why would I waste my time on trying to bring it up ... it's a no-win situation for me."

he's bringing up what he's done without actually doing it... text book

Zanshin · November 29, 2007, 09:04:39 AM

It is a no-win situation, because that stuff might only matter after he retires. What matters now is winning now...that's just the way it is.

reese125 · November 29, 2007, 09:12:11 AM

What the hell does this guy want? Compassion? Another sympathy hug? Nine years of not winning anything, but coming close doesnt cut it. Not in the football world, nor the business world. Even if he did win the Superbowl back then, and he's shteinting the bed now and cant help his team win games because of his physical inabilities....he's c-ya bye.

His time is up, he blew his opportunity, deal with it...move on. You hear it in the sales world every month, and its the truth. It all boils down to "what have you done for me lately?"

ice grillin you · November 29, 2007, 09:18:32 AM

sure you couldnt have fit one more cliche in that post?

reese125 · November 29, 2007, 09:24:12 AM

since your the MIT janitor, how many did you count?

rjs246 · November 29, 2007, 09:50:56 AM

Who likes apples?

SunMo · November 29, 2007, 09:52:35 AM

i have to go see about a girl

Magical_Retard · November 29, 2007, 10:45:20 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 29, 2007, 08:27:32 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 29, 2007, 08:22:02 AM
right so the anyway mcnabb could ever disprove that is by winning the superbowl.

so why were you still in like with him b4 04? he was just as corny then.

i just find it funny that when he had his best season and the team had its best season is when you started to dislike him. and here i thought that would be the season even the most critical fan would be ok with mcnabb's performance.

the superbowl or more than one of the several dozen nfcc games he was in

hes been corny since day one...thats not a reason to dislike a guy as a player...but it definitely shows weakness...i cant really think of one great qb that wouldnt stab you in the heart if you were bewteen then and the lombardi trophy...mcnabb just doesnt have that in him

for the record i didnt start to dislike him in 04 i just started seeing more serious cracks in his armor...even as we stand right now i dont dislike the guy...but he is what he is and you gotta call him on it

corny jokes = weakness

got it.

btw the cracks in his armor were evident from day one. its no shock today that he is not the most accurate of QBs or that he will hold on the to the ball forever because he thinks he can break and escape any sack.

if reid wanted to stick to a WCO offense, he should have long replaced McNabb with someone who he believed would fit better. he did not. he also did not change the system then to adapt to his players or bring in playmakers to help McNabb out.

and you pointed out the superbowl and the 3 other NFC chamionshape games hes been in...yeah he choked in them (2 especially) but its easy to forget that they reached that level because of him, not in spite of him. mcnabb is much of a choke artist as the many other QBs in the league present and past who could never win the big one (marino, kelly) and mcnabb is not even half has good as they were.

for the record i would be fine with getting rid of mcnabb. he keeps getting hurt and can not be counted on to lead the team for a full season, esp this team. but my problem is that with reid here, and not leaving any time soon, that the same problems will continue to plague the team. everyone loved garcia but back in the playoffs it was reid's idiotic play calling and decisions that cost the game for the eagles. 1 good game out of feeley does not convince me that with mcnabb gone that the team will somehow perform better with the likes of feeley or kolb. i would like to think/believe that this team is a few key players from making another run for it all...

but if they do go into a full rebuilding mode i still do not trust reid. he will waste westbrook in his prime and develop another QB and stick with him even if he does not fit the system or never provide him enough help offensively to elevate the team. you still have a defense that will continue to undervalue LBs and over value "bullets" on the line.

JackStraw · November 29, 2007, 12:19:48 PM

Quoteif reid wanted to stick to a WCO offense, he should have long replaced McNabb with someone who he believed would fit better. he did not. he also did not change the system then to adapt to his players or bring in playmakers to help McNabb out.

Absolutely. And what prevented that was Reid's "big play" seduction. He thought that he could be a WCO AND a big play team cementing a legacy of WCO "but even better". Too bad a persistent lack of accuracy, killer instincts, drafting savvy and a philosophy to get in their pocket to hire top level talent threw a little wrench in that marriage.

No team excels at all those activities, but jesus they never attained ANY of those requirements. And now they are left with pieces and parts of that failed direction.

Reset. Reload.

OT I know, but to me the bigger question next year isn't McNabb - but Westbrook. Will he be retained or will they let him drift away like team members of the early 90's. The salary debacle was instructive.

ice grillin you · November 29, 2007, 12:32:59 PM

the notion that mcnabb couldnt handle the wco is incorrect...was it a perfect fit no but when they had actual talent around him.....ie the TO year....he excelled...
i definitely would have preferred mcnabb to have played in a pro set offense his whole career...however that being said reids mistake was not in trying to get mcnabb to fit in the wco it was not getting enough pieces to fit around mcnabb

donovan isnt good enough to carry an offense by himself but hes more than good enough to win a championship if you go the extra mile to make him comfortable by putting a lot around him

JackStraw · November 29, 2007, 02:01:28 PM

I dunno...I think his historical ball-delivery issues have always prevented him from being a good WCO fit.

If one was in a generous mood, perhaps one could attribute his "accuracy" issues to a (justifiable) lack of confidence in his receivers, (with his solution to either hold the ball too long or throw worm burners thus avoiding the int.,) but even as I type this it seems a bit of a stretch.

Without rare, physical receivers like Owens who will "go get" errant balls, the WCO system demands consistent accuracy and "touch" and I don't think he ever qualified in this area.