The observation thread

rjs246 · December 18, 2007, 01:44:47 PM

Last year was when he tested (again) for Roids. So that hurts your point.

He's still good. I think he ha 10+ this year. But he isn't the terrifying beast that he was on the juice.

ice grillin you · December 18, 2007, 01:59:44 PM

he had 17 sacks in 12 games AFTER he was suspended

this year he has 11.5 cause hes been banged up most of the season and gets ridiculous attention put on him...hes actually been around the ball a lot more this year he just has less sacks

and yes he still is a manimal...imo the best defensive player in the nfl...but a no brainer top 5 guy

Munson · December 18, 2007, 03:18:04 PM

Merriman hasn't been nearly as dominating as he was last year.

He's still top 5 in the league.

PoopyfaceMcGee · December 18, 2007, 03:34:57 PM

The important thing is the Giants could have drafted Merriman also, but they'd traded the pick in the deal for Eli.

ice grillin you · December 18, 2007, 04:06:58 PM

westbrook and andrews pro bowlers

killa got robbed

rjs246 · December 18, 2007, 04:08:44 PM

And Andrews got a gift. I won't claim that I've seen the rest of the NFC's guards, but he hasn't even approximated the season he had last year.

Sgt PSN · December 18, 2007, 04:14:52 PM

I think Patterson had a strong case for the Pro Bowl too. He's had a really solid year and is among the league leaders in tackles by a DT.

ice grillin you · December 18, 2007, 04:15:44 PM

andrews was a reserve

but leonard davis got a starting nod lolol

along with hutchinson

Don Ho · December 18, 2007, 04:17:13 PM

reggie brown got shafted! shtein. c'mon he was open all year. just ask him.

PoopyfaceMcGee · December 18, 2007, 04:27:06 PM

Freddie Mitchell was open too.

Dillen · December 18, 2007, 04:27:29 PM

Did Marion Barber seriously make the farging Pro Bowl.

rjs246 · December 18, 2007, 04:47:05 PM

Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 18, 2007, 04:14:52 PM
I think Patterson had a strong case for the Pro Bowl too. He's had a really solid year and is among the league leaders in tackles by a DT.

Patterson really came on towards the end of the year and the Patterson/Bunkley duo looks legit moving into next year, but I'm not sure he was really dominant enough to be a pro-bowler. Happy he's on the team and some accolades would be nice, but pro-bowl? Eh.

Munson · December 18, 2007, 05:39:32 PM

Yeah but how many truely dominant DT's have there been in the NFC this year. Patterson put up solid numbers in tackles, among the most at the posistion actually, and had 4 sacks. I think at the very least a case can me made for it.

But it's amazing how much better the defense has been this year. Do Bunkley/Gocong/Spikes/Gaither(At MLB) really make that much of a difference over Walker/Jones/Trotter/Gaither? These were moves we were knocking all pre-season but so far have payed off well. FO got somethin right, it seems.

Also, with Gocong having a better then any of us expected year at SAM, where does that leave the Bradley pick?

And how the farg is Trent Cole NOT in the pro bowl?

Diomedes · December 18, 2007, 06:44:35 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2007, 08:12:18 AMremember the parade everyone wanted to have after that draft because justice and mjg were first round talents that the eagles stole

I remember it well. They were first round picks that the Eagles stole. Turns out, they weren't worth stealing, much less paying for...

ice grillin you · December 18, 2007, 07:12:48 PM

Quote from: Diomedes on December 18, 2007, 06:44:35 PM
They were first round picks that the Eagles stole.

yeah i forgot the eagles were smarter than every other team in the league

But it's amazing how much better the defense has been this year. Do Bunkley/Gocong/Spikes/Gaither(At MLB) really make that much of a difference over Walker/Jones/Trotter/Gaither? These were moves we were knocking all pre-season but so far have payed off well. FO got somethin right, it seems.

no one said anything bad about bunkley or spikes...bunkley is a monster and takeo had the good year everyone expected (well some thought he was the second coming but thats wasnt going to happen)...as for gaither and gocong nothing has changed...gaither is a gamer who shouldnt be a middle linebacker and gocong is a non factor that should be tried as a pass rusher...what these guys are is an imporvement over last year but not because they got it right so much as because they had it so wrong previously...bunkley is the exception...he a player they hit on in the draft and they deserve credit for that

as for bradley i think youre assuming that he was drafted as a sam which isnt necessarily the case...imo trotters replacement was on their minds when they took bradley...while also thinking that he could play sam if need be...now that the season is officially over dont be surprised to see him get some run in the middle and have gaither move over to takeos wil spot